April 29, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug and Dan Beyer talk about the fall of the Milwaukee Bucks since their 2021 title, and speculate on what the team will do with star big man Giannis Antetokounmpo. Doug reacts to new reports about the Shedeur Sanders slide. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst John Middlekauff onto the show to talk about Shedeur and the other headlines around the NFL Draft. Plus, Dan takes Doug through a game of "Rank'Em".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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com studios. Welcome in. It is a gorgeous day here
in northeast Wisconsin. Thunderstorms came through last night. It's a
weird thing, right. So a year ago in sixteen days
or seventeen day or eighty I don't know how many days.
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In April Africa, thirty days is September, April, June, November
sounds like it. All the rest have thirty one, except
February is twenty eight, right there, So we had thirty
days anyway, sixteen days away from being the one year
anniversary meet taking this job. When I got the job
as May fifteenth, it was warm outside, like you get
up at the hotel, you get outside, it's warm. This
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is the first time I landed in Green Bay in
I don't know, four or five months, six months where yeah,
it was that was nice. It was it was nice,
it was it was enjoyable, won't I don't think it
will be enjoyable for the Bucks tonight. But I think
that's where we should start, right, I truly think that's
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where we should start. Where. You know, if you if
you look at tonight's games, look at tonight's game, you'll
realize this is very possibly the last game of they
honest era, and it's it's it's weird where we've gone
to in the NBA, right, It's weird where we've gone
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to in the in the NBA. Where uh, in the NBA,
it's very very normal to go like, Okay, I know
you have two years left in your contract, but you
should get out. You should get out of that place.
Have we ever thought that? I've seen this on I
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saw I think Kendrick Perkins. I've seen others discuss it
where this is actually quite normal in the NBA to
go like, yeah, he should leave. Isn't that weird? I
can't think of another place, another sport where it's like that,
where if the team doesn't look like he can win
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a championship, you're just supposed to go to management and
go like, hey, yeah, I'm ready to go, and we
can go back in trace and go like, hey, how
do we get here? But I just think the whole
thing is bizarre. But that is the reality of the
state of the NBA, where we're like, that's just a
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normal if he doesn't and this goes to Damian Lillard
who previously when he was in Portland, he didn't ask
out of Portland, and because he didn't ask out of Portland,
he was seen as some sort of hero when that's
kind of what you're supposed to do. I mean, can
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you imagine if in any other workplace that was the case,
Whereas if you were just if you were just somebody
who or you're at a job, no matter what you did,
you probably weren't gonna be at the best company for
that where you're like, hey, I just can't work any
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here anymore. Why well, we're just not the very best,
So we're not the very best. I can't do it.
Like if you're if you're on the set of a
movie and the movie's not gonna win an Academy Award, won't
be nominated for the ACADEMORYI you're like, yeah, I don't
know why I'm not gonna win the Academy Award. Does
that strike anybody else's odd? But that's exactly where we
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are as NBA fans. If you can't win a championship
with that team, you're supposed to go to your management
and go like, hey, I need to go to a
different team or we can win a championship. And the
one thing that's interesting about this, and I've learned this obviously,
you learned it in therapy, where if you don't change
behaviors in or or fix some of the issues within
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your current relationship, even if that relationship is going to
come to an end, that's those same things are going
to pop up in your next relationship. It's the same
thing as basketball players. And that's why so many of
these guys have gone team to team to team searching
for a team that win a championship. Be like, why
do you win a championship? Like, yeah, it's the same
thing that you did in the other place. That doesn't
allow you to win a championship there, didn't allow you
win a championship here, Buyer, you're from Wisconsin, but you're
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also an avid NBA fan follower, as well. If this
is in fact the last of Giannis in Milwaukee, how
would you characterize it.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It's a really difficult question because of where we sit
right now, but ultimately you would say an absolute, no
doubt about it, no brainer, rousing success for the simple
fact of bringing home a championship, something that I never
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thought would happen when I was alive for the Milwaukee Bucks,
of winning an NBA title, And he was the reason
they won the NBA title, and you can never take
that away from him, and the day that they drafted him.
If you were to say this is the plan, this
is how it lays out, I think every single Bucks
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fan would take that route. So no doubt the tenure
a rousing success. But sitting here today knowing what it's
likely going to happen tonight and then what could happen
in the future, it's it's a different feeling because of now.
Now rent is due, and that's that's the toughest part
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about it.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, yeah, I look, I think I don't know how
you feel about it. But if we're gonna look honestly
at the Bucks and Yannie and what he's supposed to do,
the Bucks have done right by Giannis. They've tried everything
too much, so yeah, too much so right right, Like
there's a there's a case he made for other superstars
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when they left their spot, because hey, they didn't do enough.
The Bucks seemed to move on from a coach because
Jannis was kind of done there only to hire somebody
he was comfortable with, but most people felt wasn't wasn't
good enough. Then they went and got Doc Rivers. Meanwhile,
they went out and got Damian Lillard. And they got
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Damian Lillard because just kind of an effort to, hey,
we get got to give him a perimeter threat, give
him a second superstar. That's how you compete in the
world today, as you go get him a second superstar.
So it's not like they didn't. They got a brand
new arena. They've gone through new coaches, they've tried to
get new personnel, they've tried to get it, try to
get him better, try to get Saronny cass better. And
they were only able to nail it one to knock
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it out of the park one time. And even that
time they knocked out of the park like they're dead
to rights, beaten by the Nets in the first round. Right,
it was at the first second round.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, and then Kyrie got hurt and Kevin rant stepped
on the line on a three point shot in regulation
to Game seven. Those two things don't happen. They might
not win a championship, but they did. And then they
tried to win another one by going to getting Damian Lillard.
So I don't fault the Bucks in this case in
any way.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, And in some point I do in the fact
of this is and when you look at the recent
NBA champions that we've had going back to twenty nineteen,
which I think that's an important time because that's the
end of the War's reign. Raptors win a title, the
Bucks win it two years later, Denver wins a title
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two years later. You have these teams that you wouldn't
think would be title contenders. You would think Warriors, Lakers,
those teams winning titles, and they did during that span,
but you had these other teams moving in as well.
The problem, Doug that I had with it was the
Bucks tried to operate like some of those top teams did,
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or do just go add another player, Go sign this veteran.
When this player gets released mid season, go and sign him.
You'd be shocked at some of the names that came
through Milwaukee of guys at the end of their career,
Pau Gasol, Serge Ibaka, Jay Crowder, all of these names that, hey,
let's go sign these guys. That's such a top level.
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You know, only certain teams make those sort of moves
in their window. Doug, You're right their window. The next
year they lost to Boston in a seven game series
in twenty and Boston ends up going to the NBA Finals,
But that was likely when you look at their run,
that was likely the end of the window. Like they
had a chance that year, and there was a Grant
Williams Game seven, but that was that was it. And
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I felt like they made all these moves that just
didn't get them to where they needed to be sure
the job. The Drew Holliday trade put them over the top,
but otherwise everything was kind of done organically in a way.
You make a trade for Chris Middleton and wasn't the
key piece in that deal. He took Giannis midway through
the first round and developed him. They didn't do things
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normally or like top NBA teams did, and then all
of a sudden they just started operating like one and
and I.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Think that they became they came to the cliche, right, Yeah,
they became the cliche, Hey we got to get a
new coach. Hey we gotta get another superstar player, Like, yeah,
it's not how we built.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
It to begin with. Yeah, And now they're in a
spot where they don't own their own first round pick,
whether they don't have the pick or it's a pickswap
until twenty thirty one, it's the first time that they
have their hands on their own first round pick. And
so even a trade of Giannis right now, Doug doesn't
even get them back to even well.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Just again, it all depends on what you trade Giannis for.
That's what it's for. Like what are you tradeing for?
Who do you work with? How do you work that
deal if you do it? And this is one where
there's a you know, you would never trade the rights
to Cooper Cooper U Flag Cooper Flag, But would you
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trade the rights to Cooper Flag for Jiannison Tennakupo.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Sure, No, that's a real question. I know I thought,
I trust me, I've thought about it over the last
couple of days. And if I'm the team picking number one.
I probably don't.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
It's a great question, Jase. Do again. Just I know
you're not a basketball evaluator, right, what would you do though?
You have a guy who appears to be the next
next you know, I mean, let's just at at floor,
the next great white star. Ceiling is potentially a superstar.
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But he's only eighteen years old, he's only played one
year in college, and you're heaping a lot on his
shoulders or Jannis and Tenna Kumbo.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, I think I want Yanis.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I saw Carlos Boozer say, I think it was this
morning that the Lakers need to get Yannis.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, I mean, just you just throw out the Lakers. Yeah,
let's just get the Lakers, like, well, you know, you
have to give something up in a trade in order
to get him.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Here's here's also something about Giannis. And I think that
we put a lot of this on Damian Lillard's shoulders
because he's the new guy. Yeah, but how easy is
it to play with him? It's seems really difficult to
have a number two against him or number two with him.
Excuse me, As we ranked these players, and we looked
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at these players, Drew Holliday was probably the number two,
but he was the number two because of his defense
in what he did offensively, I'm not sure how easy
it is to play alongside Giannis. So if you're bringing
Giannis in, I think there's gonna be some questions on
how your offense operates because he's just so unique. And
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if you're a bad team at the top of the draft,
like Washington or Utah or whoever. If to take your
hypothetical question, what does Giannis get you if you make
that trade right to what thirty five wins, forty wins? Yeah, yeah,
I would. I would take Cooper flag plus honest Scott injury,
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you know history.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
So he's not not a particularly good shooter. He's hard
to play with, uh, and he's I don't think he's
downside of his career, but his career is probably peaked.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I think it's such a lesson for like, we can't
fault Toronto, like Kawhi went there, was traded there, we
knew it was probably going to leave. They're still trying
to recoup and rehash it. Cleveland's done an amazing job
host Lebron, but I think that they were both ready
for Lebron to leave when he left. Oklahoma City is
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obviously the standard of how you run things, and I
would say that the Bucks just were the exact opposite.
We'll see how they operate now, but it's I mean,
it's it's not easy if you're the Bucks and you're
giving up to bounce back. I think is evidence by Toronto.
But Toronto wasn't nearly in the spot that Milwaukee finds
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themselves in behind, you know, extremely behind the eight ball.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah. I just think, Yeah, there's like two types of
NBA championship teams. There's the one hit wonder and there's
the sustainable sort of model, and I you know, Milwaukee
felt a little bit more sustain than others. But it
turns out it's very Toronto like, right, because like it's
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very Toronto like, and you know, I mean look at
Toronto now and how they're they're trying to recapture any
of that magic and they've been unable to do so.
The whole thing is fascinating because there is no one way.
But I thought you brought the probably the best point
you brought up, Dan, is that they were there was
a uniqueness to how they were built and then a
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kind of traditional way in which they tried to sustain
it and that didn't work.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Doug. Remember they had Jabbari Parker as their second overall
pick and that was supposed to be the face of
the franchise. Right, Yep, that doesn't work out. And the
Wiggans Parker and bead draft so like that didn't even
that didn't even work out for them, and they still
were able to formulate a team and put it together
like they did. It's crazy.
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Speaker 1 (15:01):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. You know,
I saw this Diana Rossini, who now does a podcast
that's been really successful, she said, according to she covers
the Nation Football League, used to work for ESPN. According
to an exec, Shador Sanders treated his in person visits
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like they were recruiting visits, not a job interview, and
of course sources told Shador, you've been better off if
he had an agent. Yeah. I just I think that
those issues caused him to stumble probably around or two.
I think that there obviously is some a bit of
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a concern over what's his overall level of talent and competency,
where when people put out their boards early on, it
was wow, it's cam Ward and I guess Shador because
there's no other candidates or quarterbacks available. And then when
they dug in, the Johns are like, yeah, we think
Jackson Dart's better, so they trade up and took Jackson Dart.
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But it's look, it's really really hard to look past
the level of arrogance that that Shadore put out there.
If then there's confirmation bias, so that arrogance when he
shows up in your offices, if that makes sense, Like
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it's one thing to do the you know, to do
the watch celebration and to talk all kinds of trash
and to take the football from the ball boy and
some of those other little things. And then the video
with him and cam Woard talking about making a song
and always having a camera follow you, like that's one thing.
And because you can blow that off as like, hey man,
that's just that's just an act, that's not who he
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actually is. Then you bring a guy into your office
and you do an interview and he's come with an entrage.
He's answering FaceTime calls, he's acting like you should be
honored that he's there. Then it becomes confirmation that everything
you saw on camera is in fact real. And I
think the last thing I you know, I don't know this,
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but I'm guessing that they talk to other players at
Colorado who are like, Yay, he's good, super talented when
some games makes plays. Would you lay on trade tracks
for him? No, if you go back and pull the tape,
I know, Jason, you are producing for Colin at the
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time when Baker Mayfield was coming out, Okay, I would
come on to Colin and I tell Collin exactly what
else say now, which is people at Oklahoma, those football
players Oklahoma love Baker Mayfield, loved him, would run over
hot coals for him. He just has a mat. He
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just has a magnet magneticism that the best of the
best of the best leaders have and it's his best
quality because he's not crazy talented. He's just tougher than hell.
He's really really good in the whiteboard. That's another thing
about Baker that you have all these idiots that I
think the problem Jay su and the problem Dan Byer
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is this. It's not that you have an opinion. It's
that all you have to do is pick up the
phone and call somebody in the NFL. And when I
called people about Baker Mayford, the like, dude, he's amazing
at the whiteboard. That year of the draft. Remember that
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was a big NFL draft here, and he wasn't the
most talented and the reason he went number one overall
was everybody they talked to in Oklahoma was like that,
dude's awesome. I would I would run into fire for
and he was a amazing at the whiteboard. And Shador
Sanders's problem is I don't think the talent is great
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when it's on tape, and then you have all the
displays of arrogance, and then just to guess, just to guess,
his guys were probably like, yeah, he's really good, you know, yeah,
well he's he's cool. Would you lay on train tracks
for him? Like it's not because Shadoor is about Shador
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and Dion is about Shador. And the best quarterbacks, whether
it's real or a creation of their image, make you
think they're about everybody else. And then when you bring
a guy in and he's acting like it's a recruiting visit,
acting like you should be kissing his ass. That's what that.
That's the translation, by the way, is people think of
recruiting visits as we just kiss your ass and tell
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you how great you are and please, please, please come
to us. And that's the difference of that. In a
job interview, John Mittalcoff joints us he's got the three
Now podcast in the Volume podcast network. Johnna, what was
your evl of Schador as a talent.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I mean I thought, you know, based on the recent
years of quarterbacks, you know, let's just even go last year,
I wouldn't put him in the physical attribute category of
the top guys. But you know, the bow Knicks of
the world, you know, obviously the Kenny Picketts and Mac
Joneses who are backups. I think he's a better prospect
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than those guys. So when you look at him as
a prospect, you know how guys get drafted. I thought
he was a top fifty player, you know, a guy
that would get drafted in the top fifty picks.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Okay, as a player.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
As a player, and like I heard what you were
just saying, you know, when it comes to quarterbacks. It's
why some of the over the reactions were laughable. The
amount of guys that were drafted high just in the
first round with huge red flags. I mean the ravens
of the guy in the second round who was accused
of sexual assault in high school and in college. So
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if the NFL thinks you can play, they do not care.
The Browns literally started putting more zeros on Watson's contract
when they thought he was a star. At the time,
he was in the midst and in the middle of
the entire massage therapist thing. So the NFL judges you
on talent and ability. Then when it comes to quarterbacks,
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are you my starter? If I believe you're my starter,
I will overlook some stuff. But still look at all
the top guys in the NFL, right, I mean definitely
the top group of five six guys, super high character,
beloved in their locker room. Even probably of all the
top fifteen guys, the only guy that had some question
marks was you know, Kyler Murray with the call of
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duty stuff. But two things on Kyler. One, I do
think he's matured. I mean living in Arizona, watching the
way that the organization you know talks about To me,
his flaws are just like his height is a real
downfall he can't see, but I think he's grown up
a little bit. But his physical attributes, I mean, he's
like one of the greatest athletes we've ever seen. So
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you know, Shador carried himself like he's his dad when
his physical attributes much more and like the Kenny Pickett
of the world. And you know, everyone on social media
was like, he's just bucking against the system, Like, you
mean the system that pays cam Ward forty five million
dollars garanteed when he gets drafted and then if he's good,
we'll give him two hundred and fifty million dollars. Like well,
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let's not act like this system is like a minimum
wage here. I mean, it is a pretty special industry
to work in. Financially, you could argue it's one of
the greatest in the history of the world in terms
of everyone getting rich. So I listen, following his dad's footsteps.
Dean Sanders in my lifetime, is the top two or
three greatest athlete of all time, and he could act
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a little differently in kacky and bravado. Let's face it,
when we see a guy in any industry acting pretty
cocky and a lot of bravado we kind of think
you're a douche.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah yeah, uh we uh, we know you're we know
you are.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Okay, let's ex choose. You know, we have two famous
kids that have recently been through this listen. I don't
I haven't seen. Maybe the NBA's covered a little bit differently,
but it doesn't seem like anyone ever acts like you know,
Bronni's can be pretty arrogant and doesn't treat people. It
seems like everyone liked him. It was why everyone was
always uncomfortable. It's like kind of unfair, you know, putting
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them in this spot or the door walked like he
was Lebron or Dion and you know, football people more
than any other sport. That is a turnoff, especially why
I don't think you're that good. Also because you're compared
to your class. So it's like I meet with Jalen Milroe,
I don't know, just the starter for Alabama, and you're like,
I love this kid, you know, Oh, there's Dylan Gabriel
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walks in the room like where'd you play? Oh? I
started at Oklahoma and then I started Oregon. Like this
guy couldn't be any nighter and more humble. So you're
also compared. It's like when you walk into a bar,
if they're four girls, you're basing it on not the
rest of the of America. It's just based on that room.
So you're compared to your group. And I know guys
with the Titans, like they love cam Ward not just
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the player, but the person, So that kind of matters.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Okay, Cleveland has Deshaun who they can't cut or probably
can't play this year or at least early this year.
They have Kenny Pickett, who they didn't pick up his
fifth year, but fourth year is like two made in change.
They have Dylan Gabriel, they have Shador Sanders, somebody else. Oh,
they have Joe Flacco. How many legitimately can they carry?
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Well, Flacco is going to be the starter right going
in a training camp because he already knows the offense.
He's played there a couple of years ago, like and
just from you know, being a pro, it'll be impossible
to beat him out, probably at least for a week one.
The football and Mike Lombardi used to talk about this
a lot. It's it's kind of a numbers equation when
it comes to quarterbacks. Like I can go to a
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practice and have seven tight ends. Even if my starter
is George Kittle, Well, it's like I'd give George a
couple of days off, I can he can just take
a couple reps, and my backups and second three stringers
can start rotating in with the one. That's not how
it really works with quarterbacks. So if there are twenty
plays and the starters get let's say twelve of those twenties,
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the backups get five, and the third strings get a couple,
there just aren't that many reps to go around. So
if Laco's gonna make the team, Kenny Pickett, I don't
think it is any good, but you do just have
an advantage. Now you've played in the league, you kind
of know. Yeah, it's hard. It's just hard to beat
that out, you know, based on the next three four months.
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So it's like, are they just cool with keeping both
the quarterbacks. I don't know where you stand on this.
My theory was this the clearly big Stefanski and Barry
planned on drafting.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Should or stands No, that's a that's an owner pick.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
So like their GM is kind of like a Howie
Roseman quall, like he's pretty good, especially like manipulating the
economics of the draft. I think he knew that they
were over drafting Dylan Gabriel. Him and the coach clearly
liked them, but they're like, we got to take this
guy now. So the owner who's hovering behind us leaves
us alone, and then it just kept falling. Gabriel getting
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drafted probably really.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
All right, Stug gotlip show here on Fox Sports trailer,
John Milcoff rejoins us. All right, John, let's not spend
all of our time worrying about whether or not a
fifth round pick will beat out a third round pick,
of whether both or any of them will be on
an NBA NFL team this weekend. Let let's get to
some of the other stuff. Packers draft not one, but
two wide receivers, including Matt Golden in the first round.
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Can he live up to the fact that he's the
first guy in twenty three years that plays wide receiver
they're gonna draft in the first round.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I mean, I don't think they need him to be
like eighty catches right off the bat. I just think
they need more consistency out of the unit. He's clearly
a really talented guy. I do also think this puts
pressure on the on the rest of the guys in
the group, like we need some of you to step up.
I'm sure you saw that reaction of was it Watson's dad?
It's like, Bro, your son has a torn acl But
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I mean it's nature of the beast, I guess. So yeah.
I mean, I think expectations anytime you get a first
round wide receiver can be unfair. But you could also
argue the last three or four years we have seen
guys not even just in the first round, but the
first several rounds dominate early. So there's there's gonna be
a lot of pressure on them. I think attacks are
gonna be pretty good. I mean, hell, they were good
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last year. They won eleven games and they won one
in their division. So if they just split in their division,
I think there are twelve plus win teams.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Okay, who was the best of the teams? Drafting by
yours a mission?
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Well, everyone right uses the top teams. They get a
big advantage. So if you're the Giants, if you're the Pack,
if you're the Raiders, you're drafting high in every round.
So I hope you're taking the best players. Uh, it's
hard to go you know, the Ravens draft good players.
The Chiefs draft really good players, but they're also willing
to take flyers on guys that other teams are just
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uncomfortable doing. You know, it's a huge advantage if you're
Andy Reid knowing that you can take you know, character
I think sometimes gets thrown around, but just people that
just made some teams uncomfortable by whether it's work ethic,
it's just stuff the college has told them, Like Andy
doesn't care, Like he will take the talented guy and
work with them, and his history shows that he usually
(28:46):
figures it out and some teams just can't do that.
And I think that speaks to, you know, typically having
a high level group already assembled that kind of makes
them shape.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
In who had the worst who had the worst weekend?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Well, I do think the Jags. Obviously Travis Hunter is
a fantastic player, but I'm not even judging it necessarily
on the field, but just the way you run your business.
They've never coached or gms this team. Both guys have
been there for a couple of months. To make a
move to give a future first round pick when you
(29:21):
don't even know your own team, like I don't necessarily
agree with what the Falcons did, but at least for
him and have been there for a year, so he's
coached the squad and Terry Fonda has been the GM
there for whatever four or five years. So it's like
they do know exactly what they need to make a
move for Travis Hunter. I just think that and then
come out with and I get it. He's got all
(29:43):
the you know, the vocab words that would thrive you
know in a corporate setting, in a meeting with the
board of directors, which you know, the NFL people are like,
give me a break. I just think to do that,
that's the easiest trade the Browns will ever make, because
not only are they not a player away, I mean
there was a chance to jag just you know, their
quarterback is not that good, which is a problem.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, yeah, it's a huge problem. And so you know what,
you know again they Travis Hunter is a really talented kid,
and he seems like a great guy too. Write like
he has all the stuff around Shador seems cheesy and arrogant.
The stuff around Travis Hunty seems like great kid, but
(30:29):
he's not sho heyo tani now right, Like let's let's
not kid ourselves like shoe Hey, Otani is the best
at at He probably the best hitter and one of
the top ten fifteen pitchers when he's healthy, Like Travis
Hunter is not that guy and yet there and it's
not sport of baseball, and it looked like we act
(30:49):
we're acting like it is.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Well, the other thing too, is that and they kind
of admitted this. They drafted him offense and then kind
of figure out and be flew to with defense moving forward.
So let's just look at him from a prospect, Like
I know Marvin Harrison got drafted ahead of the league neighbors,
but that was more of a product. You know, I
think if you asked around the league, Monte Austin for Patriots,
guy like just wasn't taking any risks. Moleak Neighbors is
(31:13):
a way more talented guy the over the history of
the league, guys that were drafted really high, Calvin Johnson,
Larry Fitzgerald, you know, Jamar Chase, Julio Jones. I don't
think he's he's really talented as a player, but he's
like one hundred and eighty five pounds. As a buddy
of mine in the league told me. He didn't run,
not because he's slow, but he's not like four to
three five. He's like four four seven long strider, not
(31:36):
just instinctive player, great ball skills, but you're not. This
isn't Calvin Johnson as a wide receiver prospect, if that's
all he did. And when you make a trade like that,
remember Demetrop did that. When Belichick's like, I wouldn't do that,
and he's like, well, it's Julio Jones and he traded
up and he traded a ton for him, but there
were no questions like I wonder if Julio's also gonna
play safety. He just mastered as craft playing wide receiver.
(31:59):
So I just think this is pretty complicated, which again,
a lot of people in the NFL would take the
complications to get Travis Hunter on their team. Would they
trade what they traded? I just think that's insane. Doug.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
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Speaker 2 (33:17):
Hey Dan, Hey Doug. The game today is rank them
all right, Doug god from the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Okay, this one was in person. The opening of the
NFL Draft. You had the the chopper flyover the fireworks,
the announcement of the draft, the bicycles written in by
the commissioner. I would put that as three, but that
(33:49):
is three. Uh. Number two was when Matthew Golden was
selected Mark Murphy, who's a friend, who's the man responsible
for bringing the draft to Green Bay, announcing it, also
announcing it for the first time since two thousand and two.
(34:10):
Like you already knew it was a wide receiver once
he said that, that's number two. And then number one
was honestly, was the kid from Texas going to the
packers after waiting there for two days. Right, Yes, that
(34:33):
was a really really, really cool moment, just a really
cool moment that I didn't expect to see or to
watch and really enjoy.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Baron soil of Texas.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah, great, so I thought that was a really cool one.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
All right, Doug, give me your top three moments so
far of these NBA playoffs.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Top three moments of the NBA Playoffs. Uh, I think
I know my number one. They can be I mean,
Damian Lillard getting hurt and Terry's achilles is number three. Okay,
they don't all have to be positive moment, right, that's
a that's a huge seminole moment, seminal moment. What was
(35:24):
the score of the Heat game last night at halftime,
was it like seventy to twenty five or something?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
It was like seventy two to thirty three or something.
I'd have to.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
And Charles Barker is saying this is the worst game
I've ever seen. Was like, yeah, I don't think he
was right, but he wasn't that far off if he was.
That's two. And then Yo Kich's airball with Aaron Gordon
catching and dunking at the buzzers.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Number one, All right, Doug George Kittles is now the
highest paid tight end in the NFL. Yeah, average annual
salary nineteen point one million dollars. Rank your top three
tight ends of all time, all time, all time?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Tony Gonzalez at three, former AAU teammate, friend of mine.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
I have a feeling it's don to Gates and Kelcey,
but I could be wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Uh for the last two, I mean, well, you gotta
have Gronk in there too, right, Oh yeah, it could be.
I think Gronk's the best all around. Okay, all right, yeah,
I'll do I'll do Travis Kelcey, Roger that, Travis kelce
and then Rober Gronkowski And the Gronk thing is, not
only did he make so many plays catching the ball,
(36:43):
but he's a great blocker, great block He wasn't a
guy that just was tied end and name only was
really a big wide receiver. That guy was a blocker. Two.
I'll go gronk from one.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
All right, Final one. I don't know if you guys
know this, but it's National shrimp Scampy Day? Do you
know that Sam had no idea? I don't know the
last time I had shrimp scampy?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
What shrimp scampy? Again? I've never had shrimp scampy.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Looks like it's shrimped with noodles, sauce, sauce. Is that
the scampy part of it? I am unfamiliar. Doug, your
top three seafood dishes?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Top three?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
What seafood dishes?
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Seafood dishes?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Remember that menu that Bayer didn't want any part of?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
In oran you look at like, what is this? Was this?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I did get the fish, but again didn't that fries?
Well the curveball?
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Cut lobster sort of anything, but I'll go lobster mac
at three? All right, robster mac. I mean, if we're
doing like seafood, but sushi is not seafood.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Do you want sure for the ten seconds we.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Have left, sushi, then my number one swordfish. That's game time,
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(00:22):
com studios. Welcome in. It is a gorgeous day here
in northeast Wisconsin. Thunderstorms came through last night. It's a
weird thing, right. So a year ago in sixteen days
or seventeen day or eighty I don't know how many days.
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In April Africa, thirty days is September, April, June, November
sounds like it. All the rest have thirty one, except
February is twenty eight, right there, So we had thirty
days anyway, sixteen days away from being the one year
anniversary meet taking this job. When I got the job
as May fifteenth, it was warm outside, like you get
up at the hotel, you get outside, it's warm. This
(01:06):
is the first time I landed in Green Bay in
I don't know, four or five months, six months where yeah,
it was that was nice. It was it was nice,
it was it was enjoyable, won't I don't think it
will be enjoyable for the Bucks tonight. But I think
that's where we should start, right, I truly think that's
(01:28):
where we should start. Where. You know, if you if
you look at tonight's games, look at tonight's game, you'll
realize this is very possibly the last game of they
honest era, and it's it's it's weird where we've gone
to in the NBA, right, It's weird where we've gone
(01:51):
to in the in the NBA. Where uh, in the NBA,
it's very very normal to go like, Okay, I know
you have two years left in your contract, but you
should get out. You should get out of that place.
Have we ever thought that? I've seen this on I
(02:12):
saw I think Kendrick Perkins. I've seen others discuss it
where this is actually quite normal in the NBA to
go like, yeah, he should leave. Isn't that weird? I
can't think of another place, another sport where it's like that,
where if the team doesn't look like he can win
(02:35):
a championship, you're just supposed to go to management and
go like, hey, yeah, I'm ready to go, and we
can go back in trace and go like, hey, how
do we get here? But I just think the whole
thing is bizarre. But that is the reality of the
state of the NBA, where we're like, that's just a
(02:59):
normal if he doesn't and this goes to Damian Lillard
who previously when he was in Portland, he didn't ask
out of Portland, and because he didn't ask out of Portland,
he was seen as some sort of hero when that's
kind of what you're supposed to do. I mean, can
(03:19):
you imagine if in any other workplace that was the case,
Whereas if you were just if you were just somebody
who or you're at a job, no matter what you did,
you probably weren't gonna be at the best company for
that where you're like, hey, I just can't work any
(03:40):
here anymore. Why well, we're just not the very best,
So we're not the very best. I can't do it.
Like if you're if you're on the set of a
movie and the movie's not gonna win an Academy Award, won't
be nominated for the ACADEMORYI you're like, yeah, I don't
know why I'm not gonna win the Academy Award. Does
that strike anybody else's odd? But that's exactly where we
(04:05):
are as NBA fans. If you can't win a championship
with that team, you're supposed to go to your management
and go like, hey, I need to go to a
different team or we can win a championship. And the
one thing that's interesting about this, and I've learned this obviously,
you learned it in therapy, where if you don't change
behaviors in or or fix some of the issues within
(04:30):
your current relationship, even if that relationship is going to
come to an end, that's those same things are going
to pop up in your next relationship. It's the same
thing as basketball players. And that's why so many of
these guys have gone team to team to team searching
for a team that win a championship. Be like, why
do you win a championship? Like, yeah, it's the same
thing that you did in the other place. That doesn't
allow you to win a championship there, didn't allow you
win a championship here, Buyer, you're from Wisconsin, but you're
(04:54):
also an avid NBA fan follower, as well. If this
is in fact the last of Giannis in Milwaukee, how
would you characterize it.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
It's a really difficult question because of where we sit
right now, but ultimately you would say an absolute, no
doubt about it, no brainer, rousing success for the simple
fact of bringing home a championship, something that I never
(05:27):
thought would happen when I was alive for the Milwaukee Bucks,
of winning an NBA title, And he was the reason
they won the NBA title, and you can never take
that away from him, and the day that they drafted him.
If you were to say this is the plan, this
is how it lays out, I think every single Bucks
(05:49):
fan would take that route. So no doubt the tenure
a rousing success. But sitting here today knowing what it's
likely going to happen tonight and then what could happen
in the future, it's it's a different feeling because of now.
Now rent is due, and that's that's the toughest part
(06:11):
about it.
Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, yeah, I look, I think I don't know how
you feel about it. But if we're gonna look honestly
at the Bucks and Yannie and what he's supposed to do,
the Bucks have done right by Giannis. They've tried everything
too much, so yeah, too much so right right, Like
there's a there's a case he made for other superstars
(06:34):
when they left their spot, because hey, they didn't do enough.
The Bucks seemed to move on from a coach because
Jannis was kind of done there only to hire somebody
he was comfortable with, but most people felt wasn't wasn't
good enough. Then they went and got Doc Rivers. Meanwhile,
they went out and got Damian Lillard. And they got
(06:56):
Damian Lillard because just kind of an effort to, hey,
we get got to give him a perimeter threat, give
him a second superstar. That's how you compete in the
world today, as you go get him a second superstar.
So it's not like they didn't. They got a brand
new arena. They've gone through new coaches, they've tried to
get new personnel, they've tried to get it, try to
get him better, try to get Saronny cass better. And
they were only able to nail it one to knock
(07:17):
it out of the park one time. And even that
time they knocked out of the park like they're dead
to rights, beaten by the Nets in the first round. Right,
it was at the first second round.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yeah, and then Kyrie got hurt and Kevin rant stepped
on the line on a three point shot in regulation
to Game seven. Those two things don't happen. They might
not win a championship, but they did. And then they
tried to win another one by going to getting Damian Lillard.
So I don't fault the Bucks in this case in
any way.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Yeah, And in some point I do in the fact
of this is and when you look at the recent
NBA champions that we've had going back to twenty nineteen,
which I think that's an important time because that's the
end of the War's reign. Raptors win a title, the
Bucks win it two years later, Denver wins a title
(08:06):
two years later. You have these teams that you wouldn't
think would be title contenders. You would think Warriors, Lakers,
those teams winning titles, and they did during that span,
but you had these other teams moving in as well.
The problem, Doug that I had with it was the
Bucks tried to operate like some of those top teams did,
(08:28):
or do just go add another player, Go sign this veteran.
When this player gets released mid season, go and sign him.
You'd be shocked at some of the names that came
through Milwaukee of guys at the end of their career,
Pau Gasol, Serge Ibaka, Jay Crowder, all of these names that, hey,
let's go sign these guys. That's such a top level.
(08:51):
You know, only certain teams make those sort of moves
in their window. Doug, You're right their window. The next
year they lost to Boston in a seven game series
in twenty and Boston ends up going to the NBA Finals,
But that was likely when you look at their run,
that was likely the end of the window. Like they
had a chance that year, and there was a Grant
Williams Game seven, but that was that was it. And
(09:12):
I felt like they made all these moves that just
didn't get them to where they needed to be sure
the job. The Drew Holliday trade put them over the top,
but otherwise everything was kind of done organically in a way.
You make a trade for Chris Middleton and wasn't the
key piece in that deal. He took Giannis midway through
the first round and developed him. They didn't do things
(09:34):
normally or like top NBA teams did, and then all
of a sudden they just started operating like one and
and I.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Think that they became they came to the cliche, right, Yeah,
they became the cliche, Hey we got to get a
new coach. Hey we gotta get another superstar player, Like, yeah,
it's not how we built.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
It to begin with. Yeah, And now they're in a
spot where they don't own their own first round pick,
whether they don't have the pick or it's a pickswap
until twenty thirty one, it's the first time that they
have their hands on their own first round pick. And
so even a trade of Giannis right now, Doug doesn't
even get them back to even well.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
Just again, it all depends on what you trade Giannis for.
That's what it's for. Like what are you tradeing for?
Who do you work with? How do you work that
deal if you do it? And this is one where
there's a you know, you would never trade the rights
to Cooper Cooper U Flag Cooper Flag, But would you
(10:33):
trade the rights to Cooper Flag for Jiannison Tennakupo.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Sure, No, that's a real question. I know I thought,
I trust me, I've thought about it over the last
couple of days. And if I'm the team picking number one.
I probably don't.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
It's a great question, Jase. Do again. Just I know
you're not a basketball evaluator, right, what would you do though?
You have a guy who appears to be the next
next you know, I mean, let's just at at floor,
the next great white star. Ceiling is potentially a superstar.
(11:11):
But he's only eighteen years old, he's only played one
year in college, and you're heaping a lot on his
shoulders or Jannis and Tenna Kumbo.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, I think I want Yanis.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
I saw Carlos Boozer say, I think it was this
morning that the Lakers need to get Yannis.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Yeah, I mean, just you just throw out the Lakers. Yeah,
let's just get the Lakers, like, well, you know, you
have to give something up in a trade in order
to get him.
Speaker 2 (11:37):
Here's here's also something about Giannis. And I think that
we put a lot of this on Damian Lillard's shoulders
because he's the new guy. Yeah, but how easy is
it to play with him? It's seems really difficult to
have a number two against him or number two with him.
Excuse me, As we ranked these players, and we looked
(11:59):
at these players, Drew Holliday was probably the number two,
but he was the number two because of his defense
in what he did offensively, I'm not sure how easy
it is to play alongside Giannis. So if you're bringing
Giannis in, I think there's gonna be some questions on
how your offense operates because he's just so unique. And
(12:20):
if you're a bad team at the top of the draft,
like Washington or Utah or whoever. If to take your
hypothetical question, what does Giannis get you if you make
that trade right to what thirty five wins, forty wins? Yeah, yeah,
I would. I would take Cooper flag plus honest Scott injury,
(12:42):
you know history.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
So he's not not a particularly good shooter. He's hard
to play with, uh, and he's I don't think he's
downside of his career, but his career is probably peaked.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
I think it's such a lesson for like, we can't
fault Toronto, like Kawhi went there, was traded there, we
knew it was probably going to leave. They're still trying
to recoup and rehash it. Cleveland's done an amazing job
host Lebron, but I think that they were both ready
for Lebron to leave when he left. Oklahoma City is
(13:16):
obviously the standard of how you run things, and I
would say that the Bucks just were the exact opposite.
We'll see how they operate now, but it's I mean,
it's it's not easy if you're the Bucks and you're
giving up to bounce back. I think is evidence by Toronto.
But Toronto wasn't nearly in the spot that Milwaukee finds
(13:37):
themselves in behind, you know, extremely behind the eight ball.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah. I just think, Yeah, there's like two types of
NBA championship teams. There's the one hit wonder and there's
the sustainable sort of model, and I you know, Milwaukee
felt a little bit more sustain than others. But it
turns out it's very Toronto like, right, because like it's
(14:06):
very Toronto like, and you know, I mean look at
Toronto now and how they're they're trying to recapture any
of that magic and they've been unable to do so.
The whole thing is fascinating because there is no one way.
But I thought you brought the probably the best point
you brought up, Dan, is that they were there was
a uniqueness to how they were built and then a
(14:26):
kind of traditional way in which they tried to sustain
it and that didn't work.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Doug. Remember they had Jabbari Parker as their second overall
pick and that was supposed to be the face of
the franchise. Right, Yep, that doesn't work out. And the
Wiggans Parker and bead draft so like that didn't even
that didn't even work out for them, and they still
were able to formulate a team and put it together
like they did. It's crazy.
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Speaker 1 (15:01):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. You know,
I saw this Diana Rossini, who now does a podcast
that's been really successful, she said, according to she covers
the Nation Football League, used to work for ESPN. According
to an exec, Shador Sanders treated his in person visits
(15:24):
like they were recruiting visits, not a job interview, and
of course sources told Shador, you've been better off if
he had an agent. Yeah. I just I think that
those issues caused him to stumble probably around or two.
I think that there obviously is some a bit of
(15:45):
a concern over what's his overall level of talent and competency,
where when people put out their boards early on, it
was wow, it's cam Ward and I guess Shador because
there's no other candidates or quarterbacks available. And then when
they dug in, the Johns are like, yeah, we think
Jackson Dart's better, so they trade up and took Jackson Dart.
(16:08):
But it's look, it's really really hard to look past
the level of arrogance that that Shadore put out there.
If then there's confirmation bias, so that arrogance when he
shows up in your offices, if that makes sense, Like
(16:30):
it's one thing to do the you know, to do
the watch celebration and to talk all kinds of trash
and to take the football from the ball boy and
some of those other little things. And then the video
with him and cam Woard talking about making a song
and always having a camera follow you, like that's one thing.
And because you can blow that off as like, hey man,
that's just that's just an act, that's not who he
(16:52):
actually is. Then you bring a guy into your office
and you do an interview and he's come with an entrage.
He's answering FaceTime calls, he's acting like you should be
honored that he's there. Then it becomes confirmation that everything
you saw on camera is in fact real. And I
think the last thing I you know, I don't know this,
(17:17):
but I'm guessing that they talk to other players at
Colorado who are like, Yay, he's good, super talented when
some games makes plays. Would you lay on trade tracks
for him? No, if you go back and pull the tape,
I know, Jason, you are producing for Colin at the
(17:37):
time when Baker Mayfield was coming out, Okay, I would
come on to Colin and I tell Collin exactly what
else say now, which is people at Oklahoma, those football
players Oklahoma love Baker Mayfield, loved him, would run over
hot coals for him. He just has a mat. He
(17:59):
just has a magnet magneticism that the best of the
best of the best leaders have and it's his best
quality because he's not crazy talented. He's just tougher than hell.
He's really really good in the whiteboard. That's another thing
about Baker that you have all these idiots that I
think the problem Jay su and the problem Dan Byer
(18:21):
is this. It's not that you have an opinion. It's
that all you have to do is pick up the
phone and call somebody in the NFL. And when I
called people about Baker Mayford, the like, dude, he's amazing
at the whiteboard. That year of the draft. Remember that
(18:43):
was a big NFL draft here, and he wasn't the
most talented and the reason he went number one overall
was everybody they talked to in Oklahoma was like that,
dude's awesome. I would I would run into fire for
and he was a amazing at the whiteboard. And Shador
Sanders's problem is I don't think the talent is great
(19:07):
when it's on tape, and then you have all the
displays of arrogance, and then just to guess, just to guess,
his guys were probably like, yeah, he's really good, you know, yeah,
well he's he's cool. Would you lay on train tracks
for him? Like it's not because Shadoor is about Shador
(19:31):
and Dion is about Shador. And the best quarterbacks, whether
it's real or a creation of their image, make you
think they're about everybody else. And then when you bring
a guy in and he's acting like it's a recruiting visit,
acting like you should be kissing his ass. That's what that.
That's the translation, by the way, is people think of
recruiting visits as we just kiss your ass and tell
(19:52):
you how great you are and please, please, please come
to us. And that's the difference of that. In a
job interview, John Mittalcoff joints us he's got the three
Now podcast in the Volume podcast network. Johnna, what was
your evl of Schador as a talent.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I mean I thought, you know, based on the recent
years of quarterbacks, you know, let's just even go last year,
I wouldn't put him in the physical attribute category of
the top guys. But you know, the bow Knicks of
the world, you know, obviously the Kenny Picketts and Mac
Joneses who are backups. I think he's a better prospect
(20:30):
than those guys. So when you look at him as
a prospect, you know how guys get drafted. I thought
he was a top fifty player, you know, a guy
that would get drafted in the top fifty picks.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Okay, as a player.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
As a player, and like I heard what you were
just saying, you know, when it comes to quarterbacks. It's
why some of the over the reactions were laughable. The
amount of guys that were drafted high just in the
first round with huge red flags. I mean the ravens
of the guy in the second round who was accused
of sexual assault in high school and in college. So
(21:05):
if the NFL thinks you can play, they do not care.
The Browns literally started putting more zeros on Watson's contract
when they thought he was a star. At the time,
he was in the midst and in the middle of
the entire massage therapist thing. So the NFL judges you
on talent and ability. Then when it comes to quarterbacks,
(21:27):
are you my starter? If I believe you're my starter,
I will overlook some stuff. But still look at all
the top guys in the NFL, right, I mean definitely
the top group of five six guys, super high character,
beloved in their locker room. Even probably of all the
top fifteen guys, the only guy that had some question
marks was you know, Kyler Murray with the call of
(21:47):
duty stuff. But two things on Kyler. One, I do
think he's matured. I mean living in Arizona, watching the
way that the organization you know talks about To me,
his flaws are just like his height is a real
downfall he can't see, but I think he's grown up
a little bit. But his physical attributes, I mean, he's
like one of the greatest athletes we've ever seen. So
(22:08):
you know, Shador carried himself like he's his dad when
his physical attributes much more and like the Kenny Pickett
of the world. And you know, everyone on social media
was like, he's just bucking against the system, Like, you
mean the system that pays cam Ward forty five million
dollars garanteed when he gets drafted and then if he's good,
we'll give him two hundred and fifty million dollars. Like well,
(22:29):
let's not act like this system is like a minimum
wage here. I mean, it is a pretty special industry
to work in. Financially, you could argue it's one of
the greatest in the history of the world in terms
of everyone getting rich. So I listen, following his dad's footsteps.
Dean Sanders in my lifetime, is the top two or
three greatest athlete of all time, and he could act
(22:52):
a little differently in kacky and bravado. Let's face it,
when we see a guy in any industry acting pretty
cocky and a lot of bravado we kind of think
you're a douche.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah yeah, uh we uh, we know you're we know
you are.
Speaker 4 (23:12):
Okay, let's ex choose. You know, we have two famous
kids that have recently been through this listen. I don't
I haven't seen. Maybe the NBA's covered a little bit differently,
but it doesn't seem like anyone ever acts like you know,
Bronni's can be pretty arrogant and doesn't treat people. It
seems like everyone liked him. It was why everyone was
always uncomfortable. It's like kind of unfair, you know, putting
(23:33):
them in this spot or the door walked like he
was Lebron or Dion and you know, football people more
than any other sport. That is a turnoff, especially why
I don't think you're that good. Also because you're compared
to your class. So it's like I meet with Jalen Milroe,
I don't know, just the starter for Alabama, and you're like,
I love this kid, you know, Oh, there's Dylan Gabriel
(23:55):
walks in the room like where'd you play? Oh? I
started at Oklahoma and then I started Oregon. Like this
guy couldn't be any nighter and more humble. So you're
also compared. It's like when you walk into a bar,
if they're four girls, you're basing it on not the
rest of the of America. It's just based on that room.
So you're compared to your group. And I know guys
with the Titans, like they love cam Ward not just
(24:18):
the player, but the person, So that kind of matters.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Okay, Cleveland has Deshaun who they can't cut or probably
can't play this year or at least early this year.
They have Kenny Pickett, who they didn't pick up his
fifth year, but fourth year is like two made in change.
They have Dylan Gabriel, they have Shador Sanders, somebody else. Oh,
they have Joe Flacco. How many legitimately can they carry?
Speaker 4 (24:46):
Well, Flacco is going to be the starter right going
in a training camp because he already knows the offense.
He's played there a couple of years ago, like and
just from you know, being a pro, it'll be impossible
to beat him out, probably at least for a week one.
The football and Mike Lombardi used to talk about this
a lot. It's it's kind of a numbers equation when
it comes to quarterbacks. Like I can go to a
(25:07):
practice and have seven tight ends. Even if my starter
is George Kittle, Well, it's like I'd give George a
couple of days off, I can he can just take
a couple reps, and my backups and second three stringers
can start rotating in with the one. That's not how
it really works with quarterbacks. So if there are twenty
plays and the starters get let's say twelve of those twenties,
(25:28):
the backups get five, and the third strings get a couple,
there just aren't that many reps to go around. So
if Laco's gonna make the team, Kenny Pickett, I don't
think it is any good, but you do just have
an advantage. Now you've played in the league, you kind
of know. Yeah, it's hard. It's just hard to beat
that out, you know, based on the next three four months.
(25:50):
So it's like, are they just cool with keeping both
the quarterbacks. I don't know where you stand on this.
My theory was this the clearly big Stefanski and Barry
planned on drafting.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Should or stands No, that's a that's an owner pick.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
So like their GM is kind of like a Howie
Roseman quall, like he's pretty good, especially like manipulating the
economics of the draft. I think he knew that they
were over drafting Dylan Gabriel. Him and the coach clearly
liked them, but they're like, we got to take this
guy now. So the owner who's hovering behind us leaves
us alone, and then it just kept falling. Gabriel getting
(26:29):
drafted probably really.
Speaker 1 (26:31):
All right, Stug gotlip show here on Fox Sports trailer,
John Milcoff rejoins us. All right, John, let's not spend
all of our time worrying about whether or not a
fifth round pick will beat out a third round pick,
of whether both or any of them will be on
an NBA NFL team this weekend. Let let's get to
some of the other stuff. Packers draft not one, but
two wide receivers, including Matt Golden in the first round.
(26:53):
Can he live up to the fact that he's the
first guy in twenty three years that plays wide receiver
they're gonna draft in the first round.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
I mean, I don't think they need him to be
like eighty catches right off the bat. I just think
they need more consistency out of the unit. He's clearly
a really talented guy. I do also think this puts
pressure on the on the rest of the guys in
the group, like we need some of you to step up.
I'm sure you saw that reaction of was it Watson's dad?
It's like, Bro, your son has a torn acl But
(27:23):
I mean it's nature of the beast, I guess. So yeah.
I mean, I think expectations anytime you get a first
round wide receiver can be unfair. But you could also
argue the last three or four years we have seen
guys not even just in the first round, but the
first several rounds dominate early. So there's there's gonna be
a lot of pressure on them. I think attacks are
gonna be pretty good. I mean, hell, they were good
(27:44):
last year. They won eleven games and they won one
in their division. So if they just split in their division,
I think there are twelve plus win teams.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Okay, who was the best of the teams? Drafting by
yours a mission?
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Well, everyone right uses the top teams. They get a
big advantage. So if you're the Giants, if you're the Pack,
if you're the Raiders, you're drafting high in every round.
So I hope you're taking the best players. Uh, it's
hard to go you know, the Ravens draft good players.
The Chiefs draft really good players, but they're also willing
to take flyers on guys that other teams are just
(28:23):
uncomfortable doing. You know, it's a huge advantage if you're
Andy Reid knowing that you can take you know, character
I think sometimes gets thrown around, but just people that
just made some teams uncomfortable by whether it's work ethic,
it's just stuff the college has told them, Like Andy
doesn't care, Like he will take the talented guy and
work with them, and his history shows that he usually
(28:46):
figures it out and some teams just can't do that.
And I think that speaks to, you know, typically having
a high level group already assembled that kind of makes
them shape.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
In who had the worst who had the worst weekend?
Speaker 4 (29:01):
Well, I do think the Jags. Obviously Travis Hunter is
a fantastic player, but I'm not even judging it necessarily
on the field, but just the way you run your business.
They've never coached or gms this team. Both guys have
been there for a couple of months. To make a
move to give a future first round pick when you
(29:21):
don't even know your own team, like I don't necessarily
agree with what the Falcons did, but at least for
him and have been there for a year, so he's
coached the squad and Terry Fonda has been the GM
there for whatever four or five years. So it's like
they do know exactly what they need to make a
move for Travis Hunter. I just think that and then
come out with and I get it. He's got all
(29:43):
the you know, the vocab words that would thrive you
know in a corporate setting, in a meeting with the
board of directors, which you know, the NFL people are like,
give me a break. I just think to do that,
that's the easiest trade the Browns will ever make, because
not only are they not a player away, I mean
there was a chance to jag just you know, their
quarterback is not that good, which is a problem.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah, yeah, it's a huge problem. And so you know what,
you know again they Travis Hunter is a really talented kid,
and he seems like a great guy too. Write like
he has all the stuff around Shador seems cheesy and arrogant.
The stuff around Travis Hunty seems like great kid, but
(30:29):
he's not sho heyo tani now right, Like let's let's
not kid ourselves like shoe Hey, Otani is the best
at at He probably the best hitter and one of
the top ten fifteen pitchers when he's healthy, Like Travis
Hunter is not that guy and yet there and it's
not sport of baseball, and it looked like we act
(30:49):
we're acting like it is.
Speaker 4 (30:50):
Well, the other thing too, is that and they kind
of admitted this. They drafted him offense and then kind
of figure out and be flew to with defense moving forward.
So let's just look at him from a prospect, Like
I know Marvin Harrison got drafted ahead of the league neighbors,
but that was more of a product. You know, I
think if you asked around the league, Monte Austin for Patriots,
guy like just wasn't taking any risks. Moleak Neighbors is
(31:13):
a way more talented guy the over the history of
the league, guys that were drafted really high, Calvin Johnson,
Larry Fitzgerald, you know, Jamar Chase, Julio Jones. I don't
think he's he's really talented as a player, but he's
like one hundred and eighty five pounds. As a buddy
of mine in the league told me. He didn't run,
not because he's slow, but he's not like four to
three five. He's like four four seven long strider, not
(31:36):
just instinctive player, great ball skills, but you're not. This
isn't Calvin Johnson as a wide receiver prospect, if that's
all he did. And when you make a trade like that,
remember Demetrop did that. When Belichick's like, I wouldn't do that,
and he's like, well, it's Julio Jones and he traded
up and he traded a ton for him, but there
were no questions like I wonder if Julio's also gonna
play safety. He just mastered as craft playing wide receiver.
(31:59):
So I just think this is pretty complicated, which again,
a lot of people in the NFL would take the
complications to get Travis Hunter on their team. Would they
trade what they traded? I just think that's insane. Doug.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
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a game.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Hey Dan, Hey Doug. The game today is rank them
all right, Doug god from the NFL Draft.
Speaker 1 (33:29):
Okay, this one was in person. The opening of the
NFL Draft. You had the the chopper flyover the fireworks,
the announcement of the draft, the bicycles written in by
the commissioner. I would put that as three, but that
(33:49):
is three. Uh. Number two was when Matthew Golden was
selected Mark Murphy, who's a friend, who's the man responsible
for bringing the draft to Green Bay, announcing it, also
announcing it for the first time since two thousand and two.
(34:10):
Like you already knew it was a wide receiver once
he said that, that's number two. And then number one
was honestly, was the kid from Texas going to the
packers after waiting there for two days. Right, Yes, that
(34:33):
was a really really, really cool moment, just a really
cool moment that I didn't expect to see or to
watch and really enjoy.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Baron soil of Texas.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
Yeah, great, so I thought that was a really cool one.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
All right, Doug, give me your top three moments so
far of these NBA playoffs.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Top three moments of the NBA Playoffs. Uh, I think
I know my number one. They can be I mean,
Damian Lillard getting hurt and Terry's achilles is number three. Okay,
they don't all have to be positive moment, right, that's
a that's a huge seminole moment, seminal moment. What was
(35:24):
the score of the Heat game last night at halftime,
was it like seventy to twenty five or something?
Speaker 2 (35:30):
It was like seventy two to thirty three or something.
I'd have to.
Speaker 1 (35:35):
And Charles Barker is saying this is the worst game
I've ever seen. Was like, yeah, I don't think he
was right, but he wasn't that far off if he was.
That's two. And then Yo Kich's airball with Aaron Gordon
catching and dunking at the buzzers.
Speaker 2 (35:52):
Number one, All right, Doug George Kittles is now the
highest paid tight end in the NFL. Yeah, average annual
salary nineteen point one million dollars. Rank your top three
tight ends of all time, all time, all time?
Speaker 1 (36:08):
Tony Gonzalez at three, former AAU teammate, friend of mine.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
I have a feeling it's don to Gates and Kelcey,
but I could be wrong.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Uh for the last two, I mean, well, you gotta
have Gronk in there too, right, Oh yeah, it could be.
I think Gronk's the best all around. Okay, all right, yeah,
I'll do I'll do Travis Kelcey, Roger that, Travis kelce
and then Rober Gronkowski And the Gronk thing is, not
only did he make so many plays catching the ball,
(36:43):
but he's a great blocker, great block He wasn't a
guy that just was tied end and name only was
really a big wide receiver. That guy was a blocker. Two.
I'll go gronk from one.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
All right, Final one. I don't know if you guys
know this, but it's National shrimp Scampy Day? Do you
know that Sam had no idea? I don't know the
last time I had shrimp scampy?
Speaker 1 (37:02):
What shrimp scampy? Again? I've never had shrimp scampy.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Looks like it's shrimped with noodles, sauce, sauce. Is that
the scampy part of it? I am unfamiliar. Doug, your
top three seafood dishes?
Speaker 1 (37:16):
Top three?
Speaker 2 (37:17):
What seafood dishes?
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Seafood dishes?
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Remember that menu that Bayer didn't want any part of?
Speaker 1 (37:24):
In oran you look at like, what is this? Was this?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
I did get the fish, but again didn't that fries?
Well the curveball?
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Okay?
Speaker 4 (37:35):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Cut lobster sort of anything, but I'll go lobster mac
at three? All right, robster mac. I mean, if we're
doing like seafood, but sushi is not seafood.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Do you want sure for the ten seconds we.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Have left, sushi, then my number one swordfish. That's game time,
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