June 9, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug talks about the House-NCAA settlement being made official and what it now means for college sports at every level and in every sports. FSR NBA Insider Ric Bucher joins Doug to talk about the NBA Finals and all of the off-season player/coach movement around the NBA. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a game of "Big Deal, Little Deal or No Deal?".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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This is the Doug Gottlieb Show. It's a Monday, it's
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the middle of June. It's the middle of the NBA Finals,
and we'll talk about that. I'll point out the biggest
adjustment that the thunder Maid and and as is part
as the course for the NBA, what's wait until Game
three to see what adjustment to the adjustment that the
Pacers make. Welcome in. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
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I'm in a unique position sitting is not a unique position.
When I say unique position, it's being your host and
being the head coach of a Division one men's college
basketball team. And what happened last Friday is absolutely the
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talk of media and of coaches and administrators everywhere. Right,
there was the NCAAA settlement, which there's like two billion
dollars or something to athletes in the past past twenty
years or so, and then it basically divides up how
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you can now pay players from the schools and what
it looks like in so it's being called a revenue
share revshare, right, And there's new laws and legislations in
oversight a company actually overseeing every transaction from the NIL
variety over six hundred dollars. So there's a lot to it.
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But I think what you need to know is while
it's being called groundbreaking, it it is. While we're saying
there's a big change in college athletics, there is. The
ramifications are really far reaching. And the most important thing
you should know is, yeah, college athletes in the revenue
generating sports and somebody even in the non revenue generating
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sports are being compensated. They are, and now because they're
going to be compensated by the schools as well as
at times some NIL collectives will have a better sense
of what the reality is with just how much money
is being spent on these players, right, But it's really
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liar's poker outside of that. But you know, if it
comes from a school, we're gonna know how much. But
it's the what aren't they telling you? What don't you know?
And what you should understand. And I've seen other people
talk about this is if you really like Olympic sports
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or if your kid plays Olympic sports, what I think
you need to understand is the likelihood of a scholarship
is getting lesser and lesser possible, less and less possible,
because if you're at again, a school like mine, mid
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majors and below, you're going to keep the revenue generating sports,
you're going to keep just enough to make sure. And
we're a streamline ship. I think we have fourteen sports
that may be the minimum which you can have in
Vision one. But if there's ancillary sports that don't make money,
gonzo gonzo. And what's interesting is there are more than
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a handful of places that make money on wrestling, but
overall college wrestling well, of course, you know, relatively cease
to exist. Volleyballs become huge in the Midwest, obviously, Nebraska,
Penn State, I think Wisconsin, some of the others in
the Big ten. But if you're not drawing anybody, you're
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not breaking even or getting close to breaking even or
making money, that's going to be gone too. What happens
on social media is your look, You're staring at this
dollar figure and you're like, oh, you're doing the j
billis well, I guess there is the money. Here's the
problem is, yeah, that money exists, and because everyone knew
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this day was coming, we've been saving up for about
a year so that you have the money for a
year to see kind of what's what. But what you're
going to end up doing is well, you'll very much
cap or put a lower ceiling on what assistant coaches
and head coaches can make. And that may not bother you,
but you're not somebody who's been in a profession for
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twenty years and has reasonable expectations of making a wage
commensurate with Hey, I put in twenty years. I think
I've done pretty well. I should get paid pretty well.
Mid Level mid level administrators also will be gone. There's
going to be the haves and the have nots of
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sports that they always have been, but they have nots have
been able to make it work with, you know, with
everyone around campus and with all of their sports, and
now it'll become increasingly difficult because to even playball at all,
you got to pay some of these student athletes. And
once you pay them, when you're never going to pay less.
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You're never going to like, if you hit a budget
of one hundred thousand, you're never going to go to
fifty thousand next year. It's just going to keep going up.
And the money has to come from somewhere. Money has
to come from somewhere, and it's going to come from
the same pot of money that handles how much you travel,
what you spend on, how much you recruit, will you
spend on your assistant coaches, and most importantly, how much
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we spend on other sports that don't make any revenue.
I'm not telling you that we are not going to
use our rev share to compensate players above that of
a scholarship. I'm not gonna sit here and lie to you.
But I'm also at my school, my athletic director, my
president have prepared for this day and we're in pretty
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good Jay, but that doesn't mean that it's going to
be great in the future for all of our other
sports programs men's and women's soccer, women's volleyball, got swimming
and diving, plenty of other sports programs at our school
that will have to figure out how to make it work.
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So I totally get that the media gets swept up
in these big numbers where it's for the Power fives
or Power four. It's twenty two million dollars to be
split up however you want to be split up. I
think the presumption is like thirteen million can go to
football and then the rest you can decide how you
want to split it all up. Yeah, there really If
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you're going to try and be good and some schools
are at everything softball, baseball, uh, golf, tennis, soccer, okay,
then you're very likely your football and basketball programs will
suffer because there's only one pot of money. There are
a handful of schools where it doesn't Texas, it doesn't matter,
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how state doesn't matter, Georgia, Bama. They have so much money,
but for most of them it's just too much. It's
just too much. Jay stew you thought it was fascinating,
My thoughts on it, my understanding of it. Is there
anything I missed that you've wondered about this? What we're
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being told it's a new era in college athletics.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, I mean this is way too deep in the
weeds for a simpleton like me. I will say this
just talking to Big Mic today, Big Mike, who isn't
in charge down here, and he made an interesting point
about this. I'd like to get your thoughts. He says,
is it time to just completely take away the pretense
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that these are college athletic athletes and just treat them
as pros, put them on a payroll, salary, benefits, taxes,
et cetera.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I don't believe so, because here's the part that you
may not know or may not realize. Okay, college athletes
is college athletes or college athletics still operates in a
tax free bubble, right, So there's a lot of money
saved on it, and you can still donate and obviously
get a write off with it, but the tax exempt
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status is a big one. Additionally, if you make them employees,
there's a bunch of other hoops you have to go through,
and you cut out the educational aspect of it. And
as much as we have diminished and frankly it seems
to not matter to most everybody about the education thing.
Now you're going to cut off any chance in a
college degree for any of these kids, and at the
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end of it, they will need it, even the ones
that are high earners. Many of them will go through
their money because we would have gone through the money
if we were nineteen twenty years old getting paid at
this level too. Like that's just how kids operate. But
you're going to need that college degree and if there's
no way to get it, but there's there are so
many benefits, state benefits, tax benefits, federal government benefits, as
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well as benefits to the student athletes, benefits to donors.
And then you run into the just again. If you're
going to hire somebody at Green Bay, if I'm going
to hire somebody, I'm going to hire a coach, I
have to have a committee. I have to have somebody
lead that committee. We have to do a background check.
We all these are all state legislative things you have
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to do for hiring any person. Well, if I'm hiring
a basketball player, he has to go through a committee,
right and and yeah, held to a higher standard in
many ways. But also again, and this is one of
the things you're dealing with. You're going to have college
student athletes who don't play a ton make you more
money than some of your higher paid professors. And how
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does that go over and how does it work within
your state constitution to pay athletes at a level above that?
I mean, I just it sounds really good and sounds
really easy, but there are some massive issues with it.
And I do think though everybody doesn't have this as
their belief and we're trying our best here. The fact
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that you're you're giving kids a chance at higher education
is a big part of the core part of it.
But the tax exem status makes it really really hard
to think it would it would it would work otherwise, Bira,
what do you think do you think the the Olympic
sports survive, especially at the non power for schools.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
No, And and then you wonder, this is what I
was wondering, Doug. So you know, good Zaga, for example,
is going to be moving into the Pac twelve. They
don't have a football program, so their money is going
to all go to their basketball program. Would any of
these smaller schools hunt on football, just be like, all right,
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we can't compete anyway, We'll just put it all behind
these other programs to try to compete.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Only you can make you can make money on That's
that's the big That's why people do it. And yet
is there risk with it? Sure? Do you end up
spending is spending a bunch of money? Yes? But the
ones that do it, they do it because the reward
can be so great if you win at all and
you put people in your stadium at all.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, but that's like the problem where I just don't
know how they can compete.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
You know, they can't, so they can't, but they can
make money even if they're not. They're they're not super computive, right,
that's the part that it's super weird, right, Like you
can go and and and and be competitive financially. I mean,
the real dream is to go out if you're one
of these other schools, play guarantee games, make a bunch
of money, do your best to fill up your stadium,
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win some games, and then your coach gets coach gets elevated, right,
and he gets bought out, and now it ends up
supplying your university with more and more money, rinse, repeat,
they like, they don't actually want to hold on to
their coaches. They want those coaches to be bought out
because it fills your coffers and then find the next guy,
and the next guy in the next guy. I'll tell
you something else that's you're going to see go by
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the wayside. The facilities wars are gonna die. If you
don't have a facility or one's not being built out,
you're not going to have one. Because if you ask
any coach like, hey, do you want a new arena, Sure,
do you want to rena out? No, take about five
million of that money, and I'll actually build a better
basketball program, right or football program whatever of the things
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that are going to suffer. I do think that if
you don't have big time facilities, you are not going
to get any any facility upgrade here in the next
five years or so. Because anybody who knows anything about this, like,
just go win first and then figure out if you
need a facility, you need a facility at all.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
It's amazing on how so long we've cried for changes
in sports and changes in college athletics and these last
five years and now what could happen is just an
absolute world whirlwind. But the changes were it was kind
of like having your caking eating it as well, where
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they're like, we want everyone to be paid, everyone to
get their fair chance, and we also want to compete
with all of the top teams in sports. And I
know it's something that you've harped on forever, but so
all of these things are now seemingly coming to fruition,
except I feel that the calls for it and it's
not everybody. Maybe it's not fair to put a blanket
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on it, but this new world of college athletics is
actually probably going to be worse off for the fan.
And that may not be important if the fans' interests
are the student athletes, you know, better interests involved. But
I think a lot of the fans wanted a chance
to compete and they're like, yeah, they should be paid,
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and then they realize now that they're likely going to
be behind the eight ball and a lot of this
or just not able to race with the big boys,
and now they're fancom's affected.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I heard J Billis say that this is good for
the little guy, because little guy can you know, Wichita
steak and recruit kids that can us would get. Hey, Jay, seriously, dude,
I love you, but what are you talking about? What
are you talking about? I'll give you an example. I
believe their payroll last year is estimated at fifteen million dollars.
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I don't know that to be the fact. Kansas, I yeah,
Kansas is the top payroll in the Horizon League this
coming year, I believe is six hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Okay,
six hundred fifty thousand dollars. So you tell me where
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there's some even playing field or where it anybody can
go out? Like could you in theory? Sure? This is
the same hypothetical stuff he put out there with, well
you know what musician could earn their right by going
and playing stuff or whatever? Like musicians don't get the
full grant and eight and all this stuff. Basketball players
and football players get whatever. But look, look, I mean
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the reality is again, if I said, the top of
our league is estimated this coming year at six hundred
and fifty thousand dollars. Okay, once you calculate this, many
of those schools at the Power four level. I know
a player who we were recruiting who was told he
probably won't play. But he's gonna make about three hundred
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thousand dollars next year at a at a at a
big school, big And so the choice is like, either
you want to play and make a little bit of
money or not play and make a bunch of money.
The problem is then what do you do after that? Right,
that's legitimately a discussion, okay, but the idea that there's
any sort of competitive balance here is so laughable, so laughable.
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And oh yeah, by the way, all the new rules
kill high school recruiting, right, Like we're going to take
a kid or two in state a year in recruiting
high school. But other than that, I know schools that like,
don't go to high school events, save your money. Portal
Junior College is a new high school, and portal is
almost everything for these people.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Just a real quick one, Doug. Just for my clarification,
This twenty million dollars that the departments are going to
be paying the athletes is on top of what they
could get through cleared nil opportunities. Right through this clearing
like they would be able to still make money outside
of what the athletes are being paid. Correct, Yes, so yeah,
I don't know how the little guy benefits from that,
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if these big schools still can offer legitimate, cleared nil money,
I have no idea how that would happen.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Can't can't you answer it yourself? And you answered it smartly.
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It's the Doug Gottlieb Show, It's Fox Sports Radio. It's
it's the NBA Finals. It means it's time for Rick Buker,
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dot com. Uh, Buke, what's the big takeaway after Game
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two of the NBA Finals?
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Uh, The Indiana Pacers did not learn their lesson from
Game one that they have to be more conscientious in
terms of their ball handling and ball security. They can,
they can play fast, but they have to be a
little more judicious in terms of when they when they
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play fast. And if they're not going to win the
three point shooting contest, then I don't know that they're
necessarily going to win any more games or win the series.
But but all that said, a feeling is that that
that they still have the ability to play much better.
And in taking a little deeper dive, I think a
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lot of people are going to look at Tyre's Halliburton
and what he did and didn't do. To me, the
real uh canary and the coal mine is or or
indicator is Andrew Nemhart. The ability for him to play
and to be efficient allows Halliburton to play off the
ball or be a counter offensively. And I think that
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that's that's what has to happen if they are going
to win any more games in the series.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, I thought they did a good job of taking
them heart and putting him down, putting them down the
post on defense, taking away some of his advantages on defense,
and and we'll see what the Pacers adjustment is. Is there?
All right, let's get outside of the finals, because if
I'm honest, it's super boring, right that was? That was boring.
That was, with the exception of the last five minutes
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of Game one, not the greatest series of all time.
So so now now it gets interesting. The Knicks, what's the
pecking order of who they want to be their head coach?
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Well, based on everything that I'm here. I haven't heard
anything contrary to the idea. I know that Johnny Bryant
is they're they're familiar with no chance.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Listen to me, listen to me, no chance. And it's
not because I have I've never heard anything bad about
Johnny Bryant. But you can't fire a guy who the
mo O is well, he can't advance in the playoffs
for a guy who's never coached deep in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
With you, I just felt I had to mention his
name because his.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Name is.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
And there is and I will say this, there is
and I think you saw it with the with the
Phoenix Suns hiring is that. I do think there is
a little bit of a sea change here in terms
of teams that are valuing head coaches or hiring head
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coaches who are going to be part of their system,
or or they're there thinking and it's going and are
going to be malleable when it comes to working with
the GM and or the owner, depending on how involved
they are, as opposed to hiring somebody who's just going
to come in and say this is how I do
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things where you where it's it's blockstock and barrel. The
head coach and and and and orchestrates everything because I
think these I think that one of the reasons is
because these franchises have just become too too extensive in
terms of all the people that a head coach has
to deal with. But you better be able to build relationships.
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All that said, I do think that there is uh,
there is griffs to the to the Jason Kidd rumors,
you know how they ultimately get him there, but there
is a familiar with him, uh, with that organization, and
the idea that that he might improve their chances of
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getting a janis Ante Tecumpo there. All of that I
think is on the table.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Hmmm, Okay, what what about Giannis? Where? Where? Where does
this stand in regards to his movement?
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Well, what's going to be interesting is and I don't
know that he's had the conversation yet, but I know that, Look,
I think it's sooner rather than later. I don't know
that it's official yet or that he has come right
out and said, hey, I think it's time for me
to go. But I think that the Bucks and Giannis
are working toward uh toward that end. And the question
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will be as well. People are are seem to be
some somewhat skeptical of the Toronto Raptors possibility. I do
know that there is a there is a relationship between
Massi E. Jerry, the GM there and Yannis. They both
have Nigerian roots, and it comes down to Milwaukee negotiating
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with Yannis. If indeed they're moving him, you know, what
are we going to get back? And I believe that
the Raptors would be willing to move with Scottie Barnes
and other pieces, but make Scottie Barnes the central piece
to a deal to get Yannis. And however you feel
about Scottie Barnes, that does give you a twenty three
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year old All Star level player that at least gives
you a cornerstone for potentially moving forward if indeed you
have to move Giannis, and you have to move him
to a team that he wants to go to.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
If not Toronto, what about what about the Texas teams?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
I think there's possibility there simply because because they have
the resources to do that. The distinction is if he's
going to one of those places, I don't know that
the West is as attractive as obviously to Milwaukee. Getting
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him out of the conference would be and the package
would be. But I think if Jannis is looking at
I want to be able to I want to be
the I want to be able to make certain that
I'm in the playoffs and that I'm going to be
able to contend for a title. The West is just
so loaded. I don't know that either one of the
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Western Conference teams, with the way that the West is
sacked right now, gets him close to that. And I'm
and I'm speaking from looking at the circumstances as opposed
to that. I know that Giannis is looking at it
this way, and I'm sure some people would have been
there to go, well why are you going? Why you're
going to Toronto? And the one thing will be, you know,
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besides saying, hey, I've built a championship team before and
not that long ago. I can build another championship team
around you sooner rather than later. And the in the
Eastern Conference is a lot easier to navigate than the West.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
What does Boston look like next year?
Speaker 5 (25:22):
That's a good question. They've got They've they've got them
some decisions to make. I don't know that Al Horford
is there. Uh, you know, once everybody figures out what's
going on, with Kristaps porzingis. Uh. The question is where
you know where they go forward there through holiday? I
think is available there there There are going to be
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some changes made there, but I think the foundation of
Tatum Brown, Derek White, obviously, you know, some of the
ancillary pieces like Peyton Pritchard. I think that will remain
the same. But I I don't know that that. I
don't know that you're going to see a Boston Celtics
team come back that is going to be constituted the
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same way it is right now. There are going to
be some pieces taken out of that. Their their main
rotation Al Horf is a natural just because they simply
can't afford to bring him back. The question is going
to be do they do they go in deeper and
make more changes.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Zion Williamson best best guess on where he lands?
Speaker 5 (26:34):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Zion Williamson best guess on where he plays next year?
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Oh my goodness. Honestly, I don't know, because I haven't
heard anybody that is that is dying to get him.
At this point, I would say it's probably an ancillary.
I mean, you're looking at a team like Charlotte off
the map, not I haven't heard anything from a significant
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team that would be interested in Yeah, I mean that's
where we That's just where we are. But between the
injury history and off the court stuff that's going on
right now, he's a bit toxic and first as as
talented as we thought he could be, there's and the
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contract is good. The contract is actually part of the attraction,
believe it or not, because there are a lot of
ways to either reduce what he's getting paid or to
get out of the contract. But then it's the question
of you know what, how much are you really willing
to give up to get it?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Sure? Sure, that's reasonable. Lakers, what do they do?
Speaker 5 (27:53):
They need to make a decision on how quickly they're
going to move on on trying to build this team
around around Luca and uh and so, I honestly, with
what they have as of right now, presuming that Lebron
is coming back and and he's not going to exercise
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his option, which I would fully expect that he's coming back,
I think the bigger question is are we going to
hear by training camp that this is Lebron's last year.
I know that there's been a little speculation that, hey,
does he want to play with Bryce. But the reality
is if you're the if you're the Lakers and you're
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moving on to building around Luca, you can't take another
James project.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I know, but how do you? How do you if
you're Lebron? Okay again, and you're thinking, we're thinking Lebron
thinks of other people. I don't think that. We both
know that's not always the case, right or are you
mostly the case? Like so he's going to play with
Bronnie but not with Yeah, well.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
I mean you're talking about so it would have to
be at least and you're talking about two more years.
You're talking next year and then an additional year. And
if you're I mean, if you're the Lakers, you can't
you can't possibly entertain that. If you're trying to move
forward with Luca. You've got too much you got to expend.
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You you got to spend your resources on on other
things rather than catering to to Lebron. Which is why
I go back to again, I would not be surprised
if if Lebron and now because I don't, I don't
see any way in which Lebron doesn't have doesn't have
a farewell tour.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Oh no, no, no question, no question. But is he
gonna do it again? Are you going to be the
dad that only stays to play with one kid, not
with the other. And I he absolutely does a farewell tour.
I think that part is going to be absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
But he's gonna do it if he's gonna if he's
gonna hang around to play with Bryce, I have a
hard time seeing how it's gonna be with the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Hmm, Now that would be interesting, that would be interesting.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Well, I mean, it just gets so complicated. You're because
now you're talking, is you're gonna leave Bronny with the Lakers?
I think, I do think that Bronnie has to play
this coming year because while he signed a three year deal,
the last year of it is not guaranteed. And if
Lebron isn't going to be there or they're no longer
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catering to Lebron, then Bronnie has next season to prove
that he can play in the league on a team
that doesn't that isn't catering to his dad, right mhm.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
But again, if they're gonna try and win, you can't
really play Bronnie and try and win.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Yeah, I mean let's that's that's where I really you know,
acquiring Luca and building a team around Luca changes the dynamic.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Great petering to Kate Lebron.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah, he's one only. Rick Buker, you see him on
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you are the best. Thanks for joining us.
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of that, let's get to game time. Hey, Dan Byer,
what's the game?
Speaker 6 (32:11):
It is the Doug. The game today is big deal,
little deal, no deal? All right, big deal, little deal
or no deal? This off the heels of what you
let Today's show with that UCLA and Penn State have
reached an agreement with the private Equity Back to College
Investment Initiative.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, a big deal, little deal or no.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
That's a huge deal, huge deal.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Sportico with that report, By the way.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
That's a huge deal. What does it mean? Again? I
don't know what it means is somebody else has ownership
of your athletic department, not your school. I don't know
how this works. These are at state institutions to Penn
State and UCLA. I guess they're gonna be They're gonna
be Petri dishes, and we'll we'll see how it how
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it works out. Again, what it means is private. What
private equity means is they come in with their own money.
They get an ownership stake, but then they also get
say on what you do and why you do it,
how you do it with the eye on one thing.
Only one thing matters to private equity, which is what
Dan buyer money? Does it make money? Right? Do you
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know what college athletics doesn't do outside of football and
maybe men's.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Basketball make money?
Speaker 7 (33:27):
Correct? Therein lies the rub. It's going to be fascinating,
big deal, little deal or no deal. Doug that game
two was kind of a dug last night.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Ah, big deal when you come off of the energy,
and how interesting the comeback was because it's kind of
like we talked about, Dan, although you weren't on last week,
I know you're traveling, you're actually in Wisconsin and traveling
back and forth. But it's one of the things that
we talked about leading up to it, which is Haliburton
has these games which kind of like last night, like
you don't really do anything, like yeah, yeah, the night
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I don't even want to end up with. But he
had like fifteen in the fourth quarter like games over,
you know. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
I also I also feel that and this isn't anything
new because the Finals Finals used to be on a Tuesday, Thursday,
Sunday schedule, yep. And that's what they would just rotate.
And now it's altered a bit where you try to
give them as money days as many days as you can,
usually two days in between games. There's gonna be Game
three on Wednesday and then Game four on Friday, but
then there won't be another game until Game five would
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be on will be on Monday. But Doug I think
they lose momentum with these two days off as well.
And if they could figure out a way with a
Stanley Cup final to just do every other night, so
then fans for two weeks have these championships, so they're like,
all right, tonight, it's hockey tonight, it's basketball tonight, it's hockey.
I think it would do favors for it because I
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think it's it's gonna lose momentum by the time Wednesday
comes around.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
No question. I mean, you come off of Tyrese Halbert
and hit a game winner, an unbelievable comeback, and then
you gotta win three out of three days and then
it's a boring game and they're like.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah, and you gotta wait two more days for that.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Two more I'm with you, but I will tell you.
I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that you
and I are smarter than programming people who do this
for a living and their job is to squeeze every
last ratings ounce out of it. Again, it defies logic
to me, Well advise, loge to you, it does. There
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has to be a reason why they do it.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
And that's the thing that, like I could understand that
they were like Tuesday, Thursdays and Sundays are best rating nights.
We know that Fridays aren't great, but now they basically
play on almost almost every day of the week. And
to get these games in so the to have a
game seven on Sunday night, I guess is their ultimate goal.
But if it doesn't go seven games, then what's the
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point anyway? Moving on other NBA matters, Big deal, a
little dealer no deal that will report from ESPN says
the Knicks and MAVs coach Jason Kidd do have mutual
intrigue between each other. Is the Knicks. We're set to
ask the Mavericks for permission to speak with Kid.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I think that's a big deal. It's a big deal
right one, he's former Nick. Two. Obviously the owner likes him.
You know, he's been to the NBA Finals, which is
past that. But it also speaks to though he's got
Cooper Cooper flag coming get Kyrie back, he does have
Anthony Davis. This feels like a uh check please check.
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I'm I'm gonna go at check please because of all
of the negative after trade trade away Luca.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Finally Doug big deal, little deal of no deal that
the fever out of the sky by twenty seven. Without
Caitlin Clark this past weekend, I feel.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Like it's a huge deal, huge one. It continues to
show that like, are we really sure we're gonna put
Angel Reese anywhere near this conversation with Kaitlyn Clark, and
and it shows what they'veuilt around Kaitlyn Clark. They built
a good team. So my guess is that's a team
that's going to contend for a championship this year. And
that is game Time coming on next to the Doug
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Pacers make. Welcome in. This is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
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I'm in a unique position sitting is not a unique position.
When I say unique position, it's being your host and
being the head coach of a Division one men's college
basketball team. And what happened last Friday is absolutely the
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talk of media and of coaches and administrators everywhere. Right,
there was the NCAAA settlement, which there's like two billion
dollars or something to athletes in the past past twenty
years or so, and then it basically divides up how
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you can now pay players from the schools and what
it looks like in so it's being called a revenue
share revshare, right, And there's new laws and legislations in
oversight a company actually overseeing every transaction from the NIL
variety over six hundred dollars. So there's a lot to it.
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But I think what you need to know is while
it's being called groundbreaking, it it is. While we're saying
there's a big change in college athletics, there is. The
ramifications are really far reaching. And the most important thing
you should know is, yeah, college athletes in the revenue
generating sports and somebody even in the non revenue generating
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sports are being compensated. They are, and now because they're
going to be compensated by the schools as well as
at times some NIL collectives will have a better sense
of what the reality is with just how much money
is being spent on these players, right, But it's really
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liar's poker outside of that. But you know, if it
comes from a school, we're gonna know how much. But
it's the what aren't they telling you? What don't you know?
And what you should understand. And I've seen other people
talk about this is if you really like Olympic sports
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or if your kid plays Olympic sports, what I think
you need to understand is the likelihood of a scholarship
is getting lesser and lesser possible, less and less possible,
because if you're at again, a school like mine, mid
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majors and below, you're going to keep the revenue generating sports,
you're going to keep just enough to make sure. And
we're a streamline ship. I think we have fourteen sports
that may be the minimum which you can have in
Vision one. But if there's ancillary sports that don't make money,
gonzo gonzo. And what's interesting is there are more than
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a handful of places that make money on wrestling, but
overall college wrestling well, of course, you know, relatively cease
to exist. Volleyballs become huge in the Midwest, obviously, Nebraska,
Penn State, I think Wisconsin, some of the others in
the Big ten. But if you're not drawing anybody, you're
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not breaking even or getting close to breaking even or
making money, that's going to be gone too. What happens
on social media is your look, You're staring at this
dollar figure and you're like, oh, you're doing the j
billis well, I guess there is the money. Here's the
problem is, yeah, that money exists, and because everyone knew
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this day was coming, we've been saving up for about
a year so that you have the money for a
year to see kind of what's what. But what you're
going to end up doing is well, you'll very much
cap or put a lower ceiling on what assistant coaches
and head coaches can make. And that may not bother you,
but you're not somebody who's been in a profession for
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twenty years and has reasonable expectations of making a wage
commensurate with Hey, I put in twenty years. I think
I've done pretty well. I should get paid pretty well.
Mid Level mid level administrators also will be gone. There's
going to be the haves and the have nots of
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sports that they always have been, but they have nots have
been able to make it work with, you know, with
everyone around campus and with all of their sports, and
now it'll become increasingly difficult because to even playball at all,
you got to pay some of these student athletes. And
once you pay them, when you're never going to pay less.
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You're never going to like, if you hit a budget
of one hundred thousand, you're never going to go to
fifty thousand next year. It's just going to keep going up.
And the money has to come from somewhere. Money has
to come from somewhere, and it's going to come from
the same pot of money that handles how much you travel,
what you spend on, how much you recruit, will you
spend on your assistant coaches, and most importantly, how much
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we spend on other sports that don't make any revenue.
I'm not telling you that we are not going to
use our rev share to compensate players above that of
a scholarship. I'm not gonna sit here and lie to you.
But I'm also at my school, my athletic director, my
president have prepared for this day and we're in pretty
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good Jay, but that doesn't mean that it's going to
be great in the future for all of our other
sports programs men's and women's soccer, women's volleyball, got swimming
and diving, plenty of other sports programs at our school
that will have to figure out how to make it work.
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So I totally get that the media gets swept up
in these big numbers where it's for the Power fives
or Power four. It's twenty two million dollars to be
split up however you want to be split up. I
think the presumption is like thirteen million can go to
football and then the rest you can decide how you
want to split it all up. Yeah, there really If
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you're going to try and be good and some schools
are at everything softball, baseball, uh, golf, tennis, soccer, okay,
then you're very likely your football and basketball programs will
suffer because there's only one pot of money. There are
a handful of schools where it doesn't Texas, it doesn't matter,
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how state doesn't matter, Georgia, Bama. They have so much money,
but for most of them it's just too much. It's
just too much. Jay stew you thought it was fascinating,
My thoughts on it, my understanding of it. Is there
anything I missed that you've wondered about this? What we're
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being told it's a new era in college athletics.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, I mean this is way too deep in the
weeds for a simpleton like me. I will say this
just talking to Big Mic today, Big Mike, who isn't
in charge down here, and he made an interesting point
about this. I'd like to get your thoughts. He says,
is it time to just completely take away the pretense
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that these are college athletic athletes and just treat them
as pros, put them on a payroll, salary, benefits, taxes,
et cetera.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
I don't believe so, because here's the part that you
may not know or may not realize. Okay, college athletes
is college athletes or college athletics still operates in a
tax free bubble, right, So there's a lot of money
saved on it, and you can still donate and obviously
get a write off with it, but the tax exempt
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status is a big one. Additionally, if you make them employees,
there's a bunch of other hoops you have to go through,
and you cut out the educational aspect of it. And
as much as we have diminished and frankly it seems
to not matter to most everybody about the education thing.
Now you're going to cut off any chance in a
college degree for any of these kids, and at the
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end of it, they will need it, even the ones
that are high earners. Many of them will go through
their money because we would have gone through the money
if we were nineteen twenty years old getting paid at
this level too. Like that's just how kids operate. But
you're going to need that college degree and if there's
no way to get it, but there's there are so
many benefits, state benefits, tax benefits, federal government benefits, as
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well as benefits to the student athletes, benefits to donors.
And then you run into the just again. If you're
going to hire somebody at Green Bay, if I'm going
to hire somebody, I'm going to hire a coach, I
have to have a committee. I have to have somebody
lead that committee. We have to do a background check.
We all these are all state legislative things you have
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to do for hiring any person. Well, if I'm hiring
a basketball player, he has to go through a committee,
right and and yeah, held to a higher standard in
many ways. But also again, and this is one of
the things you're dealing with. You're going to have college
student athletes who don't play a ton make you more
money than some of your higher paid professors. And how
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does that go over and how does it work within
your state constitution to pay athletes at a level above that?
I mean, I just it sounds really good and sounds
really easy, but there are some massive issues with it.
And I do think though everybody doesn't have this as
their belief and we're trying our best here. The fact
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that you're you're giving kids a chance at higher education
is a big part of the core part of it.
But the tax exem status makes it really really hard
to think it would it would it would work otherwise, Bira,
what do you think do you think the the Olympic
sports survive, especially at the non power for schools.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
No, And and then you wonder, this is what I
was wondering, Doug. So you know, good Zaga, for example,
is going to be moving into the Pac twelve. They
don't have a football program, so their money is going
to all go to their basketball program. Would any of
these smaller schools hunt on football, just be like, all right,
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we can't compete anyway, We'll just put it all behind
these other programs to try to compete.
Speaker 1 (11:57):
Only you can make you can make money on That's
that's the big That's why people do it. And yet
is there risk with it? Sure? Do you end up
spending is spending a bunch of money? Yes? But the
ones that do it, they do it because the reward
can be so great if you win at all and
you put people in your stadium at all.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
Yeah, but that's like the problem where I just don't
know how they can compete.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
You know, they can't, so they can't, but they can
make money even if they're not. They're they're not super computive, right,
that's the part that it's super weird, right, Like you
can go and and and and be competitive financially. I mean,
the real dream is to go out if you're one
of these other schools, play guarantee games, make a bunch
of money, do your best to fill up your stadium,
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win some games, and then your coach gets coach gets elevated, right,
and he gets bought out, and now it ends up
supplying your university with more and more money, rinse, repeat,
they like, they don't actually want to hold on to
their coaches. They want those coaches to be bought out
because it fills your coffers and then find the next guy,
and the next guy in the next guy. I'll tell
you something else that's you're going to see go by
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the wayside. The facilities wars are gonna die. If you
don't have a facility or one's not being built out,
you're not going to have one. Because if you ask
any coach like, hey, do you want a new arena, Sure,
do you want to rena out? No, take about five
million of that money, and I'll actually build a better
basketball program, right or football program whatever of the things
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that are going to suffer. I do think that if
you don't have big time facilities, you are not going
to get any any facility upgrade here in the next
five years or so. Because anybody who knows anything about this, like,
just go win first and then figure out if you
need a facility, you need a facility at all.
Speaker 3 (13:39):
It's amazing on how so long we've cried for changes
in sports and changes in college athletics and these last
five years and now what could happen is just an
absolute world whirlwind. But the changes were it was kind
of like having your caking eating it as well, where
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they're like, we want everyone to be paid, everyone to
get their fair chance, and we also want to compete
with all of the top teams in sports. And I
know it's something that you've harped on forever, but so
all of these things are now seemingly coming to fruition,
except I feel that the calls for it and it's
not everybody. Maybe it's not fair to put a blanket
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on it, but this new world of college athletics is
actually probably going to be worse off for the fan.
And that may not be important if the fans' interests
are the student athletes, you know, better interests involved. But
I think a lot of the fans wanted a chance
to compete and they're like, yeah, they should be paid,
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and then they realize now that they're likely going to
be behind the eight ball and a lot of this
or just not able to race with the big boys,
and now they're fancom's affected.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I heard J Billis say that this is good for
the little guy, because little guy can you know, Wichita
steak and recruit kids that can us would get. Hey, Jay, seriously, dude,
I love you, but what are you talking about? What
are you talking about? I'll give you an example. I
believe their payroll last year is estimated at fifteen million dollars.
(15:15):
I don't know that to be the fact. Kansas, I yeah,
Kansas is the top payroll in the Horizon League this
coming year, I believe is six hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Okay,
six hundred fifty thousand dollars. So you tell me where
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there's some even playing field or where it anybody can
go out? Like could you in theory? Sure? This is
the same hypothetical stuff he put out there with, well
you know what musician could earn their right by going
and playing stuff or whatever? Like musicians don't get the
full grant and eight and all this stuff. Basketball players
and football players get whatever. But look, look, I mean
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the reality is again, if I said, the top of
our league is estimated this coming year at six hundred
and fifty thousand dollars. Okay, once you calculate this, many
of those schools at the Power four level. I know
a player who we were recruiting who was told he
probably won't play. But he's gonna make about three hundred
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thousand dollars next year at a at a at a
big school, big And so the choice is like, either
you want to play and make a little bit of
money or not play and make a bunch of money.
The problem is then what do you do after that? Right,
that's legitimately a discussion, okay, but the idea that there's
any sort of competitive balance here is so laughable, so laughable.
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And oh yeah, by the way, all the new rules
kill high school recruiting, right, Like we're going to take
a kid or two in state a year in recruiting
high school. But other than that, I know schools that like,
don't go to high school events, save your money. Portal
Junior College is a new high school, and portal is
almost everything for these people.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Just a real quick one, Doug. Just for my clarification,
This twenty million dollars that the departments are going to
be paying the athletes is on top of what they
could get through cleared nil opportunities. Right through this clearing
like they would be able to still make money outside
of what the athletes are being paid. Correct, Yes, so yeah,
I don't know how the little guy benefits from that,
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if these big schools still can offer legitimate, cleared nil money,
I have no idea how that would happen.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Can't can't you answer it yourself? And you answered it smartly.
Speaker 4 (17:44):
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Speaker 1 (17:56):
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it's the NBA Finals. It means it's time for Rick Buker,
our NBA insider for Fox Sports Trade. Do you see
him on Fox Sports one and Reada's work at foxsports
dot com. Uh, Buke, what's the big takeaway after Game
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two of the NBA Finals?
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Uh, The Indiana Pacers did not learn their lesson from
Game one that they have to be more conscientious in
terms of their ball handling and ball security. They can,
they can play fast, but they have to be a
little more judicious in terms of when they when they
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play fast. And if they're not going to win the
three point shooting contest, then I don't know that they're
necessarily going to win any more games or win the series.
But but all that said, a feeling is that that
that they still have the ability to play much better.
And in taking a little deeper dive, I think a
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lot of people are going to look at Tyre's Halliburton
and what he did and didn't do. To me, the
real uh canary and the coal mine is or or
indicator is Andrew Nemhart. The ability for him to play
and to be efficient allows Halliburton to play off the
ball or be a counter offensively. And I think that
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that's that's what has to happen if they are going
to win any more games in the series.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, I thought they did a good job of taking
them heart and putting him down, putting them down the
post on defense, taking away some of his advantages on defense,
and and we'll see what the Pacers adjustment is. Is there?
All right, let's get outside of the finals, because if
I'm honest, it's super boring, right that was? That was boring.
That was, with the exception of the last five minutes
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of Game one, not the greatest series of all time.
So so now now it gets interesting. The Knicks, what's the
pecking order of who they want to be their head coach?
Speaker 5 (20:08):
Well, based on everything that I'm here. I haven't heard
anything contrary to the idea. I know that Johnny Bryant
is they're they're familiar with no chance.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Listen to me, listen to me, no chance. And it's
not because I have I've never heard anything bad about
Johnny Bryant. But you can't fire a guy who the
mo O is well, he can't advance in the playoffs
for a guy who's never coached deep in the playoffs.
Speaker 5 (20:35):
With you, I just felt I had to mention his
name because his.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Name is.
Speaker 5 (20:41):
And there is and I will say this, there is
and I think you saw it with the with the
Phoenix Suns hiring is that. I do think there is
a little bit of a sea change here in terms
of teams that are valuing head coaches or hiring head
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coaches who are going to be part of their system,
or or they're there thinking and it's going and are
going to be malleable when it comes to working with
the GM and or the owner, depending on how involved
they are, as opposed to hiring somebody who's just going
to come in and say this is how I do
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things where you where it's it's blockstock and barrel. The
head coach and and and and orchestrates everything because I
think these I think that one of the reasons is
because these franchises have just become too too extensive in
terms of all the people that a head coach has
to deal with. But you better be able to build relationships.
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All that said, I do think that there is uh,
there is griffs to the to the Jason Kidd rumors,
you know how they ultimately get him there, but there
is a familiar with him, uh, with that organization, and
the idea that that he might improve their chances of
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getting a janis Ante Tecumpo there. All of that I
think is on the table.
Speaker 1 (22:11):
Hmmm, Okay, what what about Giannis? Where? Where? Where does
this stand in regards to his movement?
Speaker 5 (22:23):
Well, what's going to be interesting is and I don't
know that he's had the conversation yet, but I know that, Look,
I think it's sooner rather than later. I don't know
that it's official yet or that he has come right
out and said, hey, I think it's time for me
to go. But I think that the Bucks and Giannis
are working toward uh toward that end. And the question
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will be as well. People are are seem to be
some somewhat skeptical of the Toronto Raptors possibility. I do
know that there is a there is a relationship between
Massi E. Jerry, the GM there and Yannis. They both
have Nigerian roots, and it comes down to Milwaukee negotiating
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with Yannis. If indeed they're moving him, you know, what
are we going to get back? And I believe that
the Raptors would be willing to move with Scottie Barnes
and other pieces, but make Scottie Barnes the central piece
to a deal to get Yannis. And however you feel
about Scottie Barnes, that does give you a twenty three
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year old All Star level player that at least gives
you a cornerstone for potentially moving forward if indeed you
have to move Giannis, and you have to move him
to a team that he wants to go to.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
If not Toronto, what about what about the Texas teams?
Speaker 5 (23:57):
I think there's possibility there simply because because they have
the resources to do that. The distinction is if he's
going to one of those places, I don't know that
the West is as attractive as obviously to Milwaukee. Getting
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him out of the conference would be and the package
would be. But I think if Jannis is looking at
I want to be able to I want to be
the I want to be able to make certain that
I'm in the playoffs and that I'm going to be
able to contend for a title. The West is just
so loaded. I don't know that either one of the
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Western Conference teams, with the way that the West is
sacked right now, gets him close to that. And I'm
and I'm speaking from looking at the circumstances as opposed
to that. I know that Giannis is looking at it
this way, and I'm sure some people would have been
there to go, well why are you going? Why you're
going to Toronto? And the one thing will be, you know,
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besides saying, hey, I've built a championship team before and
not that long ago. I can build another championship team
around you sooner rather than later. And the in the
Eastern Conference is a lot easier to navigate than the West.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
What does Boston look like next year?
Speaker 5 (25:22):
That's a good question. They've got They've they've got them
some decisions to make. I don't know that Al Horford
is there. Uh, you know, once everybody figures out what's
going on, with Kristaps porzingis. Uh. The question is where
you know where they go forward there through holiday? I
think is available there there There are going to be
(25:44):
some changes made there, but I think the foundation of
Tatum Brown, Derek White, obviously, you know, some of the
ancillary pieces like Peyton Pritchard. I think that will remain
the same. But I I don't know that that. I
don't know that you're going to see a Boston Celtics
team come back that is going to be constituted the
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same way it is right now. There are going to
be some pieces taken out of that. Their their main
rotation Al Horf is a natural just because they simply
can't afford to bring him back. The question is going
to be do they do they go in deeper and
make more changes.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Zion Williamson best best guess on where he lands?
Speaker 5 (26:34):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Zion Williamson best guess on where he plays next year?
Speaker 5 (26:38):
Oh my goodness. Honestly, I don't know, because I haven't
heard anybody that is that is dying to get him.
At this point, I would say it's probably an ancillary.
I mean, you're looking at a team like Charlotte off
the map, not I haven't heard anything from a significant
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team that would be interested in Yeah, I mean that's
where we That's just where we are. But between the
injury history and off the court stuff that's going on
right now, he's a bit toxic and first as as
talented as we thought he could be, there's and the
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contract is good. The contract is actually part of the attraction,
believe it or not, because there are a lot of
ways to either reduce what he's getting paid or to
get out of the contract. But then it's the question
of you know what, how much are you really willing
to give up to get it?
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Sure? Sure, that's reasonable. Lakers, what do they do?
Speaker 5 (27:53):
They need to make a decision on how quickly they're
going to move on on trying to build this team
around around Luca and uh and so, I honestly, with
what they have as of right now, presuming that Lebron
is coming back and and he's not going to exercise
(28:15):
his option, which I would fully expect that he's coming back,
I think the bigger question is are we going to
hear by training camp that this is Lebron's last year.
I know that there's been a little speculation that, hey,
does he want to play with Bryce. But the reality
is if you're the if you're the Lakers and you're
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moving on to building around Luca, you can't take another
James project.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
I know, but how do you? How do you if
you're Lebron? Okay again, and you're thinking, we're thinking Lebron
thinks of other people. I don't think that. We both
know that's not always the case, right or are you
mostly the case? Like so he's going to play with
Bronnie but not with Yeah, well.
Speaker 5 (29:02):
I mean you're talking about so it would have to
be at least and you're talking about two more years.
You're talking next year and then an additional year. And
if you're I mean, if you're the Lakers, you can't
you can't possibly entertain that. If you're trying to move
forward with Luca. You've got too much you got to expend.
(29:22):
You you got to spend your resources on on other
things rather than catering to to Lebron. Which is why
I go back to again, I would not be surprised
if if Lebron and now because I don't, I don't
see any way in which Lebron doesn't have doesn't have
a farewell tour.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
Oh no, no, no question, no question. But is he
gonna do it again? Are you going to be the
dad that only stays to play with one kid, not
with the other. And I he absolutely does a farewell tour.
I think that part is going to be absolutely fascinating.
Speaker 5 (29:58):
But he's gonna do it if he's gonna if he's
gonna hang around to play with Bryce, I have a
hard time seeing how it's gonna be with the Lakers.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Hmm, Now that would be interesting, that would be interesting.
Speaker 5 (30:14):
Well, I mean, it just gets so complicated. You're because
now you're talking, is you're gonna leave Bronny with the Lakers?
I think, I do think that Bronnie has to play
this coming year because while he signed a three year deal,
the last year of it is not guaranteed. And if
Lebron isn't going to be there or they're no longer
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catering to Lebron, then Bronnie has next season to prove
that he can play in the league on a team
that doesn't that isn't catering to his dad, right mhm.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
But again, if they're gonna try and win, you can't
really play Bronnie and try and win.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Yeah, I mean let's that's that's where I really you know,
acquiring Luca and building a team around Luca changes the dynamic.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
Yep.
Speaker 5 (31:08):
Great petering to Kate Lebron.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
Yeah, he's one only. Rick Buker, you see him on
Fox Sports One. You Reada's work at Foxsports dot com.
You can hear me here on Fox Sports Radio. Buke
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Speaker 4 (31:19):
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Speaker 1 (31:35):
The Doug Gottlieb Show rolls on here on Fox Sports Radio.
We'll get a little love and hate top of next.
How I got a bunch of things to get off
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At Gottlieb Show Twitter, at Gottlieb Show Instagram. We'll see
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Jay Stou thought? As well? Before we get to any
(31:57):
of that, let's get to game time. Hey, Dan Byer,
what's the game?
Speaker 6 (32:11):
It is the Doug. The game today is big deal,
little deal, no deal? All right, big deal, little deal
or no deal? This off the heels of what you
let Today's show with that UCLA and Penn State have
reached an agreement with the private Equity Back to College
Investment Initiative.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Yeah, a big deal, little deal or no.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
That's a huge deal, huge deal.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Sportico with that report, By the way.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
That's a huge deal. What does it mean? Again? I
don't know what it means is somebody else has ownership
of your athletic department, not your school. I don't know
how this works. These are at state institutions to Penn
State and UCLA. I guess they're gonna be They're gonna
be Petri dishes, and we'll we'll see how it how
(32:59):
it works out. Again, what it means is private. What
private equity means is they come in with their own money.
They get an ownership stake, but then they also get
say on what you do and why you do it,
how you do it with the eye on one thing.
Only one thing matters to private equity, which is what
Dan buyer money? Does it make money? Right? Do you
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know what college athletics doesn't do outside of football and
maybe men's.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Basketball make money?
Speaker 7 (33:27):
Correct? Therein lies the rub. It's going to be fascinating,
big deal, little deal or no deal. Doug that game
two was kind of a dug last night.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
Ah, big deal when you come off of the energy,
and how interesting the comeback was because it's kind of
like we talked about, Dan, although you weren't on last week,
I know you're traveling, you're actually in Wisconsin and traveling
back and forth. But it's one of the things that
we talked about leading up to it, which is Haliburton
has these games which kind of like last night, like
you don't really do anything, like yeah, yeah, the night
(34:00):
I don't even want to end up with. But he
had like fifteen in the fourth quarter like games over,
you know. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:06):
I also I also feel that and this isn't anything
new because the Finals Finals used to be on a Tuesday, Thursday,
Sunday schedule, yep. And that's what they would just rotate.
And now it's altered a bit where you try to
give them as money days as many days as you can,
usually two days in between games. There's gonna be Game
three on Wednesday and then Game four on Friday, but
then there won't be another game until Game five would
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be on will be on Monday. But Doug I think
they lose momentum with these two days off as well.
And if they could figure out a way with a
Stanley Cup final to just do every other night, so
then fans for two weeks have these championships, so they're like,
all right, tonight, it's hockey tonight, it's basketball tonight, it's hockey.
I think it would do favors for it because I
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think it's it's gonna lose momentum by the time Wednesday
comes around.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
No question. I mean, you come off of Tyrese Halbert
and hit a game winner, an unbelievable comeback, and then
you gotta win three out of three days and then
it's a boring game and they're like.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Yeah, and you gotta wait two more days for that.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Two more I'm with you, but I will tell you.
I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that you
and I are smarter than programming people who do this
for a living and their job is to squeeze every
last ratings ounce out of it. Again, it defies logic
to me, Well advise, loge to you, it does. There
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has to be a reason why they do it.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
And that's the thing that, like I could understand that
they were like Tuesday, Thursdays and Sundays are best rating nights.
We know that Fridays aren't great, but now they basically
play on almost almost every day of the week. And
to get these games in so the to have a
game seven on Sunday night, I guess is their ultimate goal.
But if it doesn't go seven games, then what's the
(35:49):
point anyway? Moving on other NBA matters, Big deal, a
little dealer no deal that will report from ESPN says
the Knicks and MAVs coach Jason Kidd do have mutual
intrigue between each other. Is the Knicks. We're set to
ask the Mavericks for permission to speak with Kid.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
I think that's a big deal. It's a big deal
right one, he's former Nick. Two. Obviously the owner likes him.
You know, he's been to the NBA Finals, which is
past that. But it also speaks to though he's got
Cooper Cooper flag coming get Kyrie back, he does have
Anthony Davis. This feels like a uh check please check.
(36:31):
I'm I'm gonna go at check please because of all
of the negative after trade trade away Luca.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Finally Doug big deal, little deal of no deal that
the fever out of the sky by twenty seven. Without
Caitlin Clark this past weekend, I feel.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Like it's a huge deal, huge one. It continues to
show that like, are we really sure we're gonna put
Angel Reese anywhere near this conversation with Kaitlyn Clark, and
and it shows what they'veuilt around Kaitlyn Clark. They built
a good team. So my guess is that's a team
that's going to contend for a championship this year. And
that is game Time coming on next to the Doug
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Gottlieb Show live here on Fox Sports Radio. What we
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