May 29, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug explains what the Oklahoma City Thunder do better than any team in the NBA. Doug weighs in on Anthony Edwards and how his post-season went. Doug welcomes former NBA player and current FSR NBA Analyst Olden Polynice onto the show to talk the Thunder and all of the major headlines around the NBA Playoffs. Plus, Monse Bolanos takes Doug through a game of "I Feel A Draft".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Long as you're not a Timberwolf fan, you're probably having
a pretty good day. One half of the NBA Finals
is set. We'll see if the other half is set
later on tonight as the Doug Gottlieb Show, We'll get
you ready for tonight's Game five in New York City.
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Our guy, Olden Pawny's Op will join us. He spent
fifteen years in the NBA. He's our Fox Sports Radio
NBA analyst. Andrew Brant's gonna join us next. We also
have Don't call it a Throwback Thursday, and Caleb Williams
talks about something that we talk a lot about in
college coaching, I talked about in the radio, and he
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admitted and his new head coach admitted that it's something
he needs to improve upon greatly. You know, I was
thinking about our discussion that we had. Was it two
days ago? I think two days ago? And Dan Byer's off.
I'll actually I think I'm gonna see Dan this afternoon
as he's traveling back to the state of his birth,
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to Wisconsin. He's going to be at Aaron Hills, which
is site of the Women's US Open. It's already kind
of gotten an away today. We'll get updates from Anci upcoming.
But you know, Dan talked about how this NBA Finals
and if it's the Pacers and the thunder, it's not
going to rate well, there's just no way to tell
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you otherwise. And there's another side to the ratings. I
want to get to that in a second, but that
this will be the worst NBA champion in the last
twenty five years. And when I heard him say that, look,
don't get me wrong, this part of me is like,
not wrong, right. But then I started to think of
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all the previous NBA Finals participants and I realized that, well,
a couple things. First, I went back and looked at
all the NBA Finals, NBA champions, and there's not a
lot of them that don't have a bonafide superstar. Last
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year's the Boston Celtics, Jalen Brown was the MVP. Jason
Tatum is not a bonafide superstar, but a star. Year
before that was the Denver Nuggets Nikola Jokicic. I think
he became a superstar with that run. Year before that
Golden State Warriors, Steph Curry here before that, Milwaukee Bucks, Johanniston, Tennacumpo.
Year before that, La Lakers, Lebron James. Year before that,
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Toronto Raptors, Kawhi Leonard, Golden State, Golden State, Cleveland, Golden State.
San Antonio had Kawhi Leonard, the heat, the heat, the Mavericks,
the Lakers, the Lakers, the Celtics. That was Paul Pierce,
Kevin Garnett. San Antonio beat Cleveland. That was when Lebron
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James took an upstart. Calves team probably passed the threshold
of their actual talent level. And that San Antonio team
obviously had not just him Duncan, but Tony Parker managed Noble.
So you go back in time and you're like, man,
when was the last time we had a mostly homegrown
young team with an up and coming star and I
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actually think that was the Golden State Warriors Steph Curry's
first title run. I think that's what this team most
looks like recently. And you're like, no way, now what
the difference in that team and this team? That team
in this team is that the Golden State Warriors, though
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they beat Lebron James in the finals, and if you
take down Lebron James the finals, it's seen as a
greater championship than taking down Tyrese Haliburton in the finals.
That's reasonable. Should be pointed out that Kyrie Irving was
on that team but hurt his knee, broke his kneecap
in Game one, a game in which the Cavs forced
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overtime in so it wasn't like they were playing a
fully loaded Cleveland team like the one that beat them
the next year when they're up three games to one.
But if you look at that team, or if you
look at Michael Jordan's first NBA championship team, you might
come due to agreement with me, and that's that this team,
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the Oklahoma City thunder most replicate the first Warriors championship
team and the first Chicago Bulls championship team. The difference
I would say with Golden State is they beat Lebron,
albeit Kyrie was hurt, and Steph Curry was already a
household name, some because of his play in the NBA,
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but mostly because of his play in the NCAA tournament
and because he's Del Curry's son. Again, think about it
right now, reasonably Okay, When the Golden State Warriors first
won an NBA championship, Steph Curry had not yet been
an MVP. Shake Gildess Alexander has look at the surrounding pieces.
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Jayalen Williams, Wow. Jayla Williams is an up and coming
second best player on a great team. That Warriors team.
The second best player was Klay Thompson, who was an
up and coming young player on a soon to be
championship team. Now, the finals MVP was Andre Iguidala, who
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is a former All Star who they added to a
homegrown roster. The starting center was Andrew Bogan, a former
All Star who was added to a homegrown roster, part
of the trade that ended up really changing their trajectory.
So you don't have those too, but you do have
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the addition of Hertenstein, who's a center who does a
lot of little things and starts for them, and then
they got a down shift to going small, much the
way the Warriors down shift to going small. Though Draymond
and Chet Holmgren, their skill sets, their size, everything about
them is polar opposite. Still Draymon's first title, where he
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did so many things because of his versatility. There's some
similarities there in terms of Chet. Right. Chet obviously a
much higher draft pick, but can handle the ball, can
shoot it, although it doesn't shoot it a ton now
defends the rim saved a game early with a block shot.
Going back to Game four, I don't think it's that
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far off. Heck, you go back even further to win.
The Bulls first won their title in nineteen ninety one.
Nobody points out I will today that that nineteen ninety
one Lakers team that played in the finals wasn't very good.
Kareem had retired, The Lakers were not the same. It
was a young Vlade Divac, It wasn't coached by pat
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Riley and the Bulls. Though Jordan was a superstar, he
was the guy who had never won in the playoffs,
couldn't get past the Pistons. Finally, do get to the finals,
But what was his surrounding cast? Like Scottie Pippen was
not yet a superstar or a star, he was up
and coming. Horace Grant was kind of similar to Chet Holmgren,
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where you thought he was really good and he was
really young, and for Horace unbelievable defensively in terms of
ability to guard different positions. And they too, brought in
a center from elsewhere in a medical Bill Cartwright. John
Paxson was their point guard. He was a great shooter.
You know. It was a young and up and coming
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team that had yet to win a title, that had
not gotten to the finals before, and they end up
beating the Lakers, I think, four games to one, and
that set in place the progress of three straight NBA titles. Now.
I don't know if Ooklahoma City can win three straight
NBA titles, but I do know that we're diminishing this
team because they have yet to win one. When they
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have an NBA MVP on it, they have guys that
are respected, they just don't have guys that are household
names because they haven't won the playoffs yet. And now
they're winning in the playoffs and we're like, yeah, you
got to win a couple times to approve it to us.
Maybe this one feels different than anything over the past
twenty years, maybe those first Warriors teams like can we
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agree that he hasn't had the impact of a Steph
Curry perception wise, But I do think that he's going
to have an impact on the NBA because the way
in which he accumulates free throws and takes fouls, and
the way they play is going to be replicated. Already
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has been replicated, playing with pace and space, getting the
ball to him in isolation. And look, he's a great
mid range scorer as well, which most of the league
has gone away from with a couple exceptions. I actually
think that SGA is a breakthrough player. And I think
that this is the first team, probably since the last
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Thunder Finals team, to benefit so greatly from trading away.
They're aging superstars or guys that didn't want to be
there anymore, and then able to use that to not
just draft great players and great talent, but put together
great teams that now get to a second NBA Finals.
I don't know if the era of super team is
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over or if this is just a one year thing.
I do know there are new rules in place which
are meant to kill dynasties but also meant to keep
teams together. So if they can find a way to
keep this group together, which no one has found a
way to do, including the thunder Right. Last time they
went to the finals, James Harden played terribly, plus apparently
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he was going out all the time. He won a MAX,
he won a bigger contract. They didn't give it to him.
They trade them away, and though they still had success afterwards,
some success afterwards, they never got back to an NBA finals.
But with all the movement, they've been able to stay
relevant and stay loaded up, and now they have draft
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picks to keep them right there in the mix. I'm
just again, I'm fascinated by this team. I'm trying to
figure out if we've seen this before with the Bulls
or with the Warriors, or if this is an outlier,
or if this is the way in which you build
teams in the future. You know, I've done a ton
of radio and TV in Oklahoma City, and I can
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remember you go back seven, eight, nine, ten years ago, Hey,
why don't you know, why don't we go get this
guy or that guy? Because they didn't want to come
to Oklahoma City. It's a place where guys like Alex
Caruso love it because they're just about winning and the
right things and you don't need the you don't need
the flash Hertenstein, same thing. But going out and getting
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the big name free agent just has never worked for
Oklahoma City. So they got to build from within and
then smartly add pieces to it. I watched this team play,
and I think, I don't want to get caught up
and being a prisoner of the moment. I understand times change,
and I realize that you know, other teams in the NBA,
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I would perceive are going to get better. But again,
ask yourself now, if for the last two seasons they've
been the best team in the West, with exception of
one series against Dallas the Lakers, no matter what you think,
and I love Luca and Lebron's an all time great.
Having Luca and Lebron on the floor at the same
time very unlikely to be able to stop anybody. And
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if you've learned anything about the NBA playoffs, you got
to be able to stop somebody if you want to
win it. Are the Clippers going to be better? Are
the Warriors going to be better? Are the Jazz, I mean,
are the Nuggets going to be better? Are the Wolves
going to be better? Are the Mavericks going to be better?
And the answer is very very likely to be no. Right,
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if we agree that the thunder are on an upward trajectory, right,
Chet is going to get better, Jaylen Williams is going
to get better, Shay Gildess, Alexander continues to get better
progress every year. They're not yet to the peak, not
yet to thirty years old, thirty one, thirty two years old,
where athletically they start to kind of decline a little bit.
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Even if your brain is on fire. They still have
draft picks, they still have the ability to get better
and other teams, whether or not they've topped out or
their best players are aged out. The very strong likelihood
is this is a team that looks like the Warriors
the first time they won a title. This is a
team that looks like the Bulls the first time they
won a title, more so than just an outlier team.
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That's what it looks like to me. So I was
thinking about what Dan Bayer said about how this is
the worst champion last twenty five years, and what we
may be saying and again I'm cautious of it because
we do it with every time there's a team in
a championship series or a championship game, or if they
win one and they're young, it's up beginning of a dynasty.
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And it very very rarely, if ever, happens when we
expect it to happen, which is all the more reason
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Speaker 2 (14:20):
Down the lane floats Runner Council, but go to the
Gohos Kills Alesxander weaving through minefield to Minnesota defenders. It
didn't matter. He gets to the strike for the fourth
time in game five thirty three points in thirty three
minutes one twenty four ninety four of the final of
thirty point route not a single day went by this season,
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but Oklahoma City did not hold the best record in
the West. And now this historic relentless thunderstorm has unstoppably,
emphatically and officially earned the Moniker Best in the West.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yes they have. That's from the Thunder Radio Network on WWLS,
the Sports Animal in oaklahom the City. I mean, I
need you to think about this. Jay Stewing and I
talked about this probably at length, and I honestly think
the best analogy is when when some of the South
Korean automakers came into the market, Right, initially Hyundai and
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Kia were seen as the cheapest of cheap, especially Hyundai.
The very initial returns were not good, and then they
they came out with a luxury brand. Matter of fact,
doesn't isn't genesis Hundai is not what that it is
because now that's like their lexus, that's their infinity or whatever.
And initially even still now they pry, they try to
make the exact same car, and then they try and
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make it less than the Beamers, the Audi's, the Lexuses,
the infinities of this world, that's what they're trying to have.
Then the Cadillacs of this world and they always fought
the reputation of you'd still rather have a Bends, You'd
still to have a Lexis you should have And slowly
but surely people started to come around to, hey, you know,
maybe I don't know, they actually might be really nice cars.
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You know, when there's a new name in the marketplace
and you don't have the years and years of credibility,
it's hard to build it up. And Oklahoma City has
been to this spot before, but these are all new names.
Shay Gildas, Alexander chet Holmgrin, Jalen Williams. And you're like, yeah,
I don't know. Let's wait until the next time we
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buy a car. Let's let other people drive it. Well,
if they win an NBA title and they bring everybody
back and they can add with the draft and they
can stay healthy, and they're more likely to stay healthy
because they're younger. Will you be saying the same thing
in three years or will you Will you miss the
fact that you could have bought in early.
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Speaker 1 (17:00):
Stuck Out there show Fox Sports right now, all the polonies,
so join us after we get to the update. This
was Anthony Edwards, the ant man, the ant man, a
total reporters after the game, what happened in the series
and what's gonna happen in the off season. They came
ready to play. We didn't.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
When you lose a game like this, it's not really
too much to break down. They just did what they
were supposed to do in won a game. They dominated
the game from the tip. Can't do them a tip
my head of those guys. They came ready, man, so
put j out by him. Nobody's gonna work harder than
me this summer, I'll tell you that much. So yeah,
I'll try to make I'll try to make it happen
again for Mike.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I think there's some flaws in the construct of the Timberwolves.
There's some expectations of Anthony Edwards that are probably above
his level currently of competency. And I don't think that
failing two years in a row in the Western Conference
finals is a death knell to a twenty three year
old's career. I do think people are trying to make
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him into somebody's like, well, they got a develop a
post game like what Okay, who's the guy who has
the post game as a wing in the NBA like
Michael Jordan and Kobe that currently exists? They don't why
because nobody plays that way anymore. So I just I
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think there's there's a lot more to it than that. Uh,
let's you know, let's welcome in old and polonies. Let's
not wait till the Let's not wait till the update
fifteen years in the NBA. Is our Fox Sports Radio
NBA analyst Jorge es Now in the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Op.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Thanks so much for taking time with us. Let's start
with the Thunder. The perception I think nationally is, you know,
everybody else is hurt or getting older. This is the
best of the rest of the teams. We even discussed
is this the worst champion potentially in twenty five years?
And then I wonder out loud, no, is this just
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the the the dawn of a new era, much like
the Warrior I don't know ten twelve years ago, much
like the Bulls in ninety one. What are your thoughts
on this Thunder team and what it means for the
Western Conference? That they're the Western Conference champion.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Uh, well, it says this, you know, the OKAC Thunder.
You know, they won sixty eight games that's the time,
the fifth most in the history of the NBA. So
you can't take that away from them. What they've done
is they've learned how to play within the rules as
they are, and they take full advantage of it. Also
Mark Dagnall and the rest of that staff, you know,
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especially Samfesti. You know, with all the draft picks, they
were able to make moves that never really hurt them
but made them grow stronger. You know, they built this
college atmospheric type situation there and they have all embraced it.
So they played with so much energy, with so much intensitve.
I mean, I have not seen full court pressure defense
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since I played in eighty seven under Bob Poppenberg and
we were picking up full court. That's how long it's been.
And teams in today's game are not expecting that. They
don't expecting you to do it at the beginning of
the game, and that's what's shocking everybody. So they playing
an old school tall sylar basketball with new age players.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Old ponies. Doug gott Leave Show you listened to Fox
Sports Radio. Okay, you got the Knicks taking on the
Pacers tonight, trying to stave off elimination. Tyrese Haliburton, what's
your evl of how we how we should look at him?
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Well, Tyreese is you know, he used the words used
against him to show people, you know, overrated and so
to me, and that was foul, you know, with the
players doing that and making a public that wasn't cool.
But he's used everything, you know, they they bought his dad,
He's used that, so he's motivated all the way around.
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But Indiana again, similar to Oklahoma City. They run a
fast paced game and they play like a college style
and they're in Indiana, the home of basketball pitty much
in my opinion, and it's like they're doing the same thing.
They pick you up foot court, they put a lot
of fush on you, and they have a championship coach.
So those things both well for them. But Todd Reese
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is the key this guy. You know, the fact that
he's a low turnover guy is huge. And that's the
problem with so many teams the Knicks. Okay, see we
go back teams that aren't even in the playoffs like
the Gold Say Warriors, it's like teams like that, high
turnover teams, it's hard to win. But he's a low
turnover guy and he's doing what he's supposed to do.
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He's just taking advantage.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. That's
the that's the voice of olden polonies. Okay, the Knicks?
Is it? What's limiting the Knicks in this series? And
at the top of the NBA.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Exhaust fift you got a guy standing on the sidelines
in Tom Thibodeaux that doesn't know how to make in
game decisions and adjustment. And it's a shame. I've said
this all along. You're gonna wear these guys out, and
which is what he did. You can't play five guys
forty minutes. He just can't do it. So four guys
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forty forty two, that's insane. You have other NBA players,
You have three guys on your team in Landry Shammoth,
the Lonwright and Precious Ature who who have been in
big games, and yet they can't find extensive minutes under Tiboleau.
And so to me, that's the problem. These guys are
gassed and no one wants to talk about it. You
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have just driven your team into the ground as a coach,
and all he does is stand there with his arms
cross and looks silly.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Old Paul is joining us. Okay, what about the argument
that Brunson can't be the best player in the championship team.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
But Bronson maybe should have shouldn't be. But at the
same time, it has nothing to do with him. It
has to do with the fact that these guys exhaust period.
Indiana is using that against them. They are again picking
up full court, different defenders. All of that stuff comes
into play. It has nothing to do with whether he
can be the number one or number two. To me,
I'll say this, I don't believe he and I called
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Anthony Towns can coexist. It's too much ones a big.
Ones are big and ones are small. But they're both
the same players. They are both the same exact players,
just different body.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, it is interesting. Actually, I think Bronson's better inside
the lane, whereas I think Towns may be better at
shooting threes. It's they're actually their roles are reversed from
the usual roles of men of their size. All right,
So if we get Oklahoma City and Indy. Both teams
have tremendous depths. Obviously, the Pacers want to play at
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a great pace. Who do you like?
Speaker 5 (24:09):
I believe that the series with the Knicks is over
pretty much. It's unfortunate because I really like the Knicks
and what they did against Boston. But right now, again,
the longer the series go to the playoffs go, the
worse the Knicks are gonna fare. And so I'd rather
see Indiana than a one out New York team against Okay. See,
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so Indiana is going to put pressure on them because
they pay, and I think they can match up pound
for pound. Now, the advantage I give Indiana is the
fact that I don't think they could. I obviously don't
think they can stay with Indiana's paid I really don't,
and so to me, and they have, like I said,
they have enough bodies to throw at OKC.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
They do. And then of course we'll see if Halburton
is as good as he's played here in the NBA.
What can we learn about the future of the league
from these two teams? Will see me playing in the finals.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Well, the future is bright, I believe that, you know,
And so it's showing us where it's at you know,
I think we're going to get back to the era
of you know, what we had in the eighties and nineties,
you know, physicality. We're seeing that with Carusoe, luth Dort
and those guys, and also with Moles Turner on the
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other side and Maturin. All those guys were in Bata,
so they are they are taking advantage, like I said earlier,
of the rules. The playoffs came, and that's what's been
shocking to a lot of teams, you know, expecting whistles
that aren't coming. That's what happened with Minnesota. They thought
they were going to get the same whistles or not
whistles like they got in Game three, and it didn't happen.
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They messed their minds up. But this league is, you know,
is in an uptick because you got some good young
players that are bringing back old school basketball. And that's
what I'm loving about it. You know, the mid range
and is coming back, and I am loving stuff like that.
You know, neither one of those teams shoot a lot
of three, but they will shoot them when they need to.
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So it's a good combination and a full court pfessure defense.
I you know, I love defense, so I'm really excited
about that.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, you and me both. It is. It's fun. It's
fun to see the depth of those teams. It's fun
to see how hard they play, like you said, sort
of a collegiate feel and playing a lot of dudes
and pressuring that's not and and the pace of the
Pacers play is a very very watchable style. How how
do we how do we connect those two things? Cause
you know, Jason Stewart, my producer, will and he'll straight
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straight up tell you, like, not a fan of the NBA.
I'm like, dude, you got to watch the playoffs because
it's way better basketball than you think. Now He's like,
it's really good, but people aren't going to watch. How
do we connect the style that's actually being played, Uh
with the fans who are kind of caught in the
narrative of NBA basketball is a hard watch.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Well, we got to get rid of some of our
old now ittives that they've been used to, you know,
because of the plays that we've had in the past,
and they got to remember, I mean, you were loving
the Warriors, but it was almost the same thing that
the Warriors were doing. It was hard nose defense. It's
just that now these two teams that I'm speaking of,
Indiana and Oka, see they extended full court. And you
got to remember, the NBA is a copycat league. Either
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one of those teams win the championship. Trust me, everybody's
switching up. Oh, we need to extend our defense. We
need to do this. We need to get a young coach,
we need it's gonna happen. It's a copycat league.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Oh p you're the best man. Appreciate you. Jonas's talk
as the finals rule on. Thanks for being our guest
on Fox Sports Radio. All right, that's a fifteen year
NBA vet. Unbelievable guy, Fox Sports Radio, NBA insider holding Polonies.
Let's get and by the way, he didn't even get
his theme song, like come on, Sam, come on Sam.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Oh we had a production meeting behind the scenes here
and and Jason put the axe on it.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Really I told hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
hold on, hold on.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
So the last two times we played his intro like
here's the this is the history of Olden Polonies' intro.
Dan Bayer put together a game called Olden Days where
we were going to talk about Olden's old old playing days.
I did a theme song for it, and then I'm like, man,
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whenever we have him as the guest, we have this
theme song ready to go. So we started playing it
and Oldham loved it. Like he could hear him on
the phone laughing. He loved it. He took ownership over it.
The last two times, neither you or him even reacted
to it. It was like every guest is brought in
with a karaoke version of a producer singing at the
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top of his lungs. It's like, just this is just
standard play. So if it's not going to get a reaction,
then I'll just put put the on it.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Well, I think, and this funny you say kabash Is
it kabash or is the kaibash.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Either or I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I'm just again, I just want to be right when
I say it right. The one thing, I also think
you're lacking some context there because the last two times
he joined us, I think the music was late. It
was like oh oh, because we were coming out of
something else. We kind of had to scramble to get there.
And I think that's the reason there wasn't the normal
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reaction as well as both of us were friends kind
of chomping at the bit to talk hoops, which like, yeah,
let's just kind of it's like partially, let's push it
aside and get after it, right. So that's that's I
think what was behind you?
Speaker 6 (29:38):
I think a few times and he's like, I'm good now,
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I don't think so. I don't think.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
In the words of Sprockets, your story has become tiresome,
this song has become tiresome.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
If that's what you think it is by all means,
guys like I'll I'll abide by that. I don't think
it was well to say that. Deep.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
We'll dust it off some time, thank you. We won't
without it.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Okay. Uh, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox. Portrayer.
We do eat an update, don't we?
Speaker 6 (30:09):
Yes, you do.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
There's months I'm here, Hey Mons, how come you don't
turn on the camera in your in your studio.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Because then I have to worry about what I'm doing
with the camera on.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
I'm eating, I'm writing notes. I see, yeah, my nose.
But thank you for that, Sam, thank you for that,
thank you for that. But I usually am eating more
than anything. When I'm sitting here as I take my notes.
That's really, that's all it is.
Speaker 8 (30:36):
Oh yeah, but maybe, yeah, maybe I'll make an effort
to not eat when I sit here. And then that
way I don't have to eat.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Not eat, you can eat, you can do whatever.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
It's hand snacking through the day an the day.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
I find that I can't eat infront of a camera.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I don't know what it is. You want my quick
comment on that? Here it is, Okay, Doug Otlib show
on Fox Sports Trade a good rolling A. Yes, Charlie
Baker wants to expand from seventy two to seventy six.
And you'll have people that are coaches like myself, and
they'll be like, oh, the sanctity of college basketball and
we have blah blah blah blah blah. It is about
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one thing and one wow, two things. Two things, Okay,
the and and really comes down to one but two things.
The first thing it's about is about keeping the NCAA together.
I don't know how many people followed this, but there's
there's this roomor out there Greg Sank in the SEC.
They want them the big ten. They want to break
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off and have a get away from the NCAA. So
with the settlement, which has not yet been I don't
believe signed by the judge, is like this designed really
for one thing, to stabilize college athletics and to keep
the NCAA together. And you think the NCAA again, a
lot of this is narrative, it's some nefarious organization, like no,
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it's not. Hey, you got some figureheads like Charlie Baker
who run the thing, but it's just all the schools.
Kind of voting and how they vote is a good
part of the argument. But the NCAA tournament is the
only place that the NCAAA makes money, and it's also
the place where programs like mine that we make money
based upon what we do with our home games are
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guarantee games, and how many teams get into the tournament
from our league, and then how many units they get.
There's amount of money you get for every team and
then every round that they advanced in the tournament. Okay,
so last year, for example, not this year, Oakland won
the tournament, went to the tournament, won a game in
the tournament, the whole league got two units, Oakland getting
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the majority of getting the biggest chunk of that money.
So what this does is, Okay, if you create and
they'll probably go to seventy two and then eventually expand
to seventy six. Right, oh, we're at sixty eight. You
want four more teams in two more games. Got to
pay more money. Then you get more money. You'll wait
a couple of years. Okay, you like that. Now you
gotta get more money. But all programs need more money.
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Everything costs more money. There's this assumption out there there's
endless streams of money. It's not true. This is where
if you don't have football, this is where you get
all the money. So everybody will want it to happen.
It's not for programs like mine. And honestly, because mid
majors and low majors aren't getting they're not going to
get a second bid. That's where the big part comes in,
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where it's really to keep those power for schools happy.
You know, if there's eight more spots, they'll get six
or seven of them. That'll create you know, more units,
more money, and that'll keep them tied to the ncaa longer,
so that everybody continue making money and that the train
can continue on to the next station. So when he
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throws it out there, people are like, wait, so we
make more money and more teams get in the tournament, Like,
what are we losing on this? Well, you know you
just have sixty fourteen bracket. You still have the bracket.
You just have more playing games. Do I love it?
Speaker 5 (34:04):
No?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
But again, do I want to keep my job and
have my school and all schools make more money? Yeah?
Have to.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
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get to a game.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
What do you got there? Months of blindness. What's the game?
Speaker 6 (35:02):
All right? We're playing. I feel a draft.
Speaker 9 (35:05):
That's what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I feel a draft.
Speaker 8 (35:10):
We're gonna be drafting the best single season NBA championship
team of the last twenty years. If we go quickly,
we can each get two win. But we're gonna start
with you, Doug, you coach, Then Sam, me, Jason and
Snake back if we have enough time. All right, coach,
you're up.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Give us the best.
Speaker 8 (35:25):
Single season NBA championship team of the last twenty years.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I think it's the Kevin Durant and Steph Curry Golden
State Warriors. They went, did they? They lose a game
with sixteen and one in the NBA playoffs, sixteen to one,
So sixteen one.
Speaker 8 (35:43):
Yeah, that's a pretty good one. Yeah, all right, Sam,
you got one.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
With the second overall pick, I will draft the twenty
fifteen to twenty sixteen Cleveland Cavaliers. Yeah, that's a good one.
Golden State coming back down from three to one. Yeah,
to give Cleveland their champion. Chip Lebron's promise is made
and kept.
Speaker 8 (36:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
I like that one.
Speaker 8 (36:04):
All right, come in number three pick you guys, you
got to take the.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
MAVs Dirk Noovitski taking down I.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Know, taking down the heat.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
This was like twenty eleven and it was four to two,
one of the last like times it was a one
superstar with a bunch of role players. We hadn't seen
that in a while. I'm taking that one coming dow
at number three. Jason, You're up.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
Wow, I think I just misread my own game. Did
I say twenty years for twenty five years?
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Twenty oh?
Speaker 7 (36:29):
No, okay, I was just going to take the last
of the Lakers three peat in two thousand and two.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I'll let you take it.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
So let's do this. I'm going to choose both of
Kobe's championship teams, all right, that includes lamar Odom, Paul
Gasol and the like. I'm going to choose both of
those back to back.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
Teams, all right, So it goes back to me. All right,
then I've got it.
Speaker 8 (36:55):
I think I have to take go back to when
I was my senior year in high school when the
Spurs swept the Calves off. Remember that mounted you and
Nobili off the bench was like killing it because Tim
Duncan couldn't score, if I remember correctly, in that last
one that's the one I'm taking.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
All right back to you, Sam, I'm going to draft
here the Golden State Warriors who beat the Celtics in
six games, because a lot of people then said, Okay,
that was our dynasty for what is it, four championships
and in eight years, and that's kind of the last
dynasty we've had because we've had all of new champions. Nice,
all right, coach, you get the final pick.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Greatest NBA champion in the last twenty years. Huh. Honestly,
I'm gonna go with the twenty twenty three Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Nice.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I just they had the best record. They dust off
the heat. I mean, part of it was the heat
weren't that good, but they went through a gauntlet in
the in the in the playoffs. The Nuggets.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
Yeah, that one.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
That's game time. That's game time. Stuck out, Leap Show,
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(00:27):
Long as you're not a Timberwolf fan, you're probably having
a pretty good day. One half of the NBA Finals
is set. We'll see if the other half is set
later on tonight as the Doug Gottlieb Show, We'll get
you ready for tonight's Game five in New York City.
(00:48):
Our guy, Olden Pawny's Op will join us. He spent
fifteen years in the NBA. He's our Fox Sports Radio
NBA analyst. Andrew Brant's gonna join us next. We also
have Don't call it a Throwback Thursday, and Caleb Williams
talks about something that we talk a lot about in
college coaching, I talked about in the radio, and he
(01:11):
admitted and his new head coach admitted that it's something
he needs to improve upon greatly. You know, I was
thinking about our discussion that we had. Was it two
days ago? I think two days ago? And Dan Byer's off.
I'll actually I think I'm gonna see Dan this afternoon
as he's traveling back to the state of his birth,
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to Wisconsin. He's going to be at Aaron Hills, which
is site of the Women's US Open. It's already kind
of gotten an away today. We'll get updates from Anci upcoming.
But you know, Dan talked about how this NBA Finals
and if it's the Pacers and the thunder, it's not
going to rate well, there's just no way to tell
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you otherwise. And there's another side to the ratings. I
want to get to that in a second, but that
this will be the worst NBA champion in the last
twenty five years. And when I heard him say that, look,
don't get me wrong, this part of me is like,
not wrong, right. But then I started to think of
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all the previous NBA Finals participants and I realized that, well,
a couple things. First, I went back and looked at
all the NBA Finals, NBA champions, and there's not a
lot of them that don't have a bonafide superstar. Last
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year's the Boston Celtics, Jalen Brown was the MVP. Jason
Tatum is not a bonafide superstar, but a star. Year
before that was the Denver Nuggets Nikola Jokicic. I think
he became a superstar with that run. Year before that
Golden State Warriors, Steph Curry here before that, Milwaukee Bucks, Johanniston, Tennacumpo.
Year before that, La Lakers, Lebron James. Year before that,
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Toronto Raptors, Kawhi Leonard, Golden State, Golden State, Cleveland, Golden State.
San Antonio had Kawhi Leonard, the heat, the heat, the Mavericks,
the Lakers, the Lakers, the Celtics. That was Paul Pierce,
Kevin Garnett. San Antonio beat Cleveland. That was when Lebron
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James took an upstart. Calves team probably passed the threshold
of their actual talent level. And that San Antonio team
obviously had not just him Duncan, but Tony Parker managed Noble.
So you go back in time and you're like, man,
when was the last time we had a mostly homegrown
young team with an up and coming star and I
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actually think that was the Golden State Warriors Steph Curry's
first title run. I think that's what this team most
looks like recently. And you're like, no way, now what
the difference in that team and this team? That team
in this team is that the Golden State Warriors, though
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they beat Lebron James in the finals, and if you
take down Lebron James the finals, it's seen as a
greater championship than taking down Tyrese Haliburton in the finals.
That's reasonable. Should be pointed out that Kyrie Irving was
on that team but hurt his knee, broke his kneecap
in Game one, a game in which the Cavs forced
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overtime in so it wasn't like they were playing a
fully loaded Cleveland team like the one that beat them
the next year when they're up three games to one.
But if you look at that team, or if you
look at Michael Jordan's first NBA championship team, you might
come due to agreement with me, and that's that this team,
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the Oklahoma City thunder most replicate the first Warriors championship
team and the first Chicago Bulls championship team. The difference
I would say with Golden State is they beat Lebron,
albeit Kyrie was hurt, and Steph Curry was already a
household name, some because of his play in the NBA,
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but mostly because of his play in the NCAA tournament
and because he's Del Curry's son. Again, think about it
right now, reasonably Okay, When the Golden State Warriors first
won an NBA championship, Steph Curry had not yet been
an MVP. Shake Gildess Alexander has look at the surrounding pieces.
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Jayalen Williams, Wow. Jayla Williams is an up and coming
second best player on a great team. That Warriors team.
The second best player was Klay Thompson, who was an
up and coming young player on a soon to be
championship team. Now, the finals MVP was Andre Iguidala, who
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is a former All Star who they added to a
homegrown roster. The starting center was Andrew Bogan, a former
All Star who was added to a homegrown roster, part
of the trade that ended up really changing their trajectory.
So you don't have those too, but you do have
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the addition of Hertenstein, who's a center who does a
lot of little things and starts for them, and then
they got a down shift to going small, much the
way the Warriors down shift to going small. Though Draymond
and Chet Holmgren, their skill sets, their size, everything about
them is polar opposite. Still Draymon's first title, where he
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did so many things because of his versatility. There's some
similarities there in terms of Chet. Right. Chet obviously a
much higher draft pick, but can handle the ball, can
shoot it, although it doesn't shoot it a ton now
defends the rim saved a game early with a block shot.
Going back to Game four, I don't think it's that
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far off. Heck, you go back even further to win.
The Bulls first won their title in nineteen ninety one.
Nobody points out I will today that that nineteen ninety
one Lakers team that played in the finals wasn't very good.
Kareem had retired, The Lakers were not the same. It
was a young Vlade Divac, It wasn't coached by pat
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Riley and the Bulls. Though Jordan was a superstar, he
was the guy who had never won in the playoffs,
couldn't get past the Pistons. Finally, do get to the finals,
But what was his surrounding cast? Like Scottie Pippen was
not yet a superstar or a star, he was up
and coming. Horace Grant was kind of similar to Chet Holmgren,
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where you thought he was really good and he was
really young, and for Horace unbelievable defensively in terms of
ability to guard different positions. And they too, brought in
a center from elsewhere in a medical Bill Cartwright. John
Paxson was their point guard. He was a great shooter.
You know. It was a young and up and coming
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team that had yet to win a title, that had
not gotten to the finals before, and they end up
beating the Lakers, I think, four games to one, and
that set in place the progress of three straight NBA titles. Now.
I don't know if Ooklahoma City can win three straight
NBA titles, but I do know that we're diminishing this
team because they have yet to win one. When they
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have an NBA MVP on it, they have guys that
are respected, they just don't have guys that are household
names because they haven't won the playoffs yet. And now
they're winning in the playoffs and we're like, yeah, you
got to win a couple times to approve it to us.
Maybe this one feels different than anything over the past
twenty years, maybe those first Warriors teams like can we
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agree that he hasn't had the impact of a Steph
Curry perception wise, But I do think that he's going
to have an impact on the NBA because the way
in which he accumulates free throws and takes fouls, and
the way they play is going to be replicated. Already
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has been replicated, playing with pace and space, getting the
ball to him in isolation. And look, he's a great
mid range scorer as well, which most of the league
has gone away from with a couple exceptions. I actually
think that SGA is a breakthrough player. And I think
that this is the first team, probably since the last
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Thunder Finals team, to benefit so greatly from trading away.
They're aging superstars or guys that didn't want to be
there anymore, and then able to use that to not
just draft great players and great talent, but put together
great teams that now get to a second NBA Finals.
I don't know if the era of super team is
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over or if this is just a one year thing.
I do know there are new rules in place which
are meant to kill dynasties but also meant to keep
teams together. So if they can find a way to
keep this group together, which no one has found a
way to do, including the thunder Right. Last time they
went to the finals, James Harden played terribly, plus apparently
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he was going out all the time. He won a MAX,
he won a bigger contract. They didn't give it to him.
They trade them away, and though they still had success afterwards,
some success afterwards, they never got back to an NBA finals.
But with all the movement, they've been able to stay
relevant and stay loaded up, and now they have draft
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picks to keep them right there in the mix. I'm
just again, I'm fascinated by this team. I'm trying to
figure out if we've seen this before with the Bulls
or with the Warriors, or if this is an outlier,
or if this is the way in which you build
teams in the future. You know, I've done a ton
of radio and TV in Oklahoma City, and I can
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remember you go back seven, eight, nine, ten years ago, Hey,
why don't you know, why don't we go get this
guy or that guy? Because they didn't want to come
to Oklahoma City. It's a place where guys like Alex
Caruso love it because they're just about winning and the
right things and you don't need the you don't need
the flash Hertenstein, same thing. But going out and getting
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the big name free agent just has never worked for
Oklahoma City. So they got to build from within and
then smartly add pieces to it. I watched this team play,
and I think, I don't want to get caught up
and being a prisoner of the moment. I understand times change,
and I realize that you know, other teams in the NBA,
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I would perceive are going to get better. But again,
ask yourself now, if for the last two seasons they've
been the best team in the West, with exception of
one series against Dallas the Lakers, no matter what you think,
and I love Luca and Lebron's an all time great.
Having Luca and Lebron on the floor at the same
time very unlikely to be able to stop anybody. And
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if you've learned anything about the NBA playoffs, you got
to be able to stop somebody if you want to
win it. Are the Clippers going to be better? Are
the Warriors going to be better? Are the Jazz, I mean,
are the Nuggets going to be better? Are the Wolves
going to be better? Are the Mavericks going to be better?
And the answer is very very likely to be no. Right,
(12:46):
if we agree that the thunder are on an upward trajectory, right,
Chet is going to get better, Jaylen Williams is going
to get better, Shay Gildess, Alexander continues to get better
progress every year. They're not yet to the peak, not
yet to thirty years old, thirty one, thirty two years old,
where athletically they start to kind of decline a little bit.
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Even if your brain is on fire. They still have
draft picks, they still have the ability to get better
and other teams, whether or not they've topped out or
their best players are aged out. The very strong likelihood
is this is a team that looks like the Warriors
the first time they won a title. This is a
team that looks like the Bulls the first time they
won a title, more so than just an outlier team.
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That's what it looks like to me. So I was
thinking about what Dan Bayer said about how this is
the worst champion last twenty five years, and what we
may be saying and again I'm cautious of it because
we do it with every time there's a team in
a championship series or a championship game, or if they
win one and they're young, it's up beginning of a dynasty.
(13:52):
And it very very rarely, if ever, happens when we
expect it to happen, which is all the more reason
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Speaker 2 (14:20):
Down the lane floats Runner Council, but go to the
Gohos Kills Alesxander weaving through minefield to Minnesota defenders. It
didn't matter. He gets to the strike for the fourth
time in game five thirty three points in thirty three
minutes one twenty four ninety four of the final of
thirty point route not a single day went by this season,
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but Oklahoma City did not hold the best record in
the West. And now this historic relentless thunderstorm has unstoppably,
emphatically and officially earned the Moniker Best in the West.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Yes they have. That's from the Thunder Radio Network on WWLS,
the Sports Animal in oaklahom the City. I mean, I
need you to think about this. Jay Stewing and I
talked about this probably at length, and I honestly think
the best analogy is when when some of the South
Korean automakers came into the market, Right, initially Hyundai and
(15:18):
Kia were seen as the cheapest of cheap, especially Hyundai.
The very initial returns were not good, and then they
they came out with a luxury brand. Matter of fact,
doesn't isn't genesis Hundai is not what that it is
because now that's like their lexus, that's their infinity or whatever.
And initially even still now they pry, they try to
make the exact same car, and then they try and
(15:39):
make it less than the Beamers, the Audi's, the Lexuses,
the infinities of this world, that's what they're trying to have.
Then the Cadillacs of this world and they always fought
the reputation of you'd still rather have a Bends, You'd
still to have a Lexis you should have And slowly
but surely people started to come around to, hey, you know,
maybe I don't know, they actually might be really nice cars.
(16:05):
You know, when there's a new name in the marketplace
and you don't have the years and years of credibility,
it's hard to build it up. And Oklahoma City has
been to this spot before, but these are all new names.
Shay Gildas, Alexander chet Holmgrin, Jalen Williams. And you're like, yeah,
I don't know. Let's wait until the next time we
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buy a car. Let's let other people drive it. Well,
if they win an NBA title and they bring everybody
back and they can add with the draft and they
can stay healthy, and they're more likely to stay healthy
because they're younger. Will you be saying the same thing
in three years or will you Will you miss the
fact that you could have bought in early.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
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Speaker 1 (17:00):
Stuck Out there show Fox Sports right now, all the polonies,
so join us after we get to the update. This
was Anthony Edwards, the ant man, the ant man, a
total reporters after the game, what happened in the series
and what's gonna happen in the off season. They came
ready to play. We didn't.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
When you lose a game like this, it's not really
too much to break down. They just did what they
were supposed to do in won a game. They dominated
the game from the tip. Can't do them a tip
my head of those guys. They came ready, man, so
put j out by him. Nobody's gonna work harder than
me this summer, I'll tell you that much. So yeah,
I'll try to make I'll try to make it happen
again for Mike.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
I think there's some flaws in the construct of the Timberwolves.
There's some expectations of Anthony Edwards that are probably above
his level currently of competency. And I don't think that
failing two years in a row in the Western Conference
finals is a death knell to a twenty three year
old's career. I do think people are trying to make
(17:58):
him into somebody's like, well, they got a develop a
post game like what Okay, who's the guy who has
the post game as a wing in the NBA like
Michael Jordan and Kobe that currently exists? They don't why
because nobody plays that way anymore. So I just I
(18:18):
think there's there's a lot more to it than that. Uh,
let's you know, let's welcome in old and polonies. Let's
not wait till the Let's not wait till the update
fifteen years in the NBA. Is our Fox Sports Radio
NBA analyst Jorge es Now in the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 5 (18:34):
Op.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Thanks so much for taking time with us. Let's start
with the Thunder. The perception I think nationally is, you know,
everybody else is hurt or getting older. This is the
best of the rest of the teams. We even discussed
is this the worst champion potentially in twenty five years?
And then I wonder out loud, no, is this just
(18:55):
the the the dawn of a new era, much like
the Warrior I don't know ten twelve years ago, much
like the Bulls in ninety one. What are your thoughts
on this Thunder team and what it means for the
Western Conference? That they're the Western Conference champion.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Uh, well, it says this, you know, the OKAC Thunder.
You know, they won sixty eight games that's the time,
the fifth most in the history of the NBA. So
you can't take that away from them. What they've done
is they've learned how to play within the rules as
they are, and they take full advantage of it. Also
Mark Dagnall and the rest of that staff, you know,
(19:34):
especially Samfesti. You know, with all the draft picks, they
were able to make moves that never really hurt them
but made them grow stronger. You know, they built this
college atmospheric type situation there and they have all embraced it.
So they played with so much energy, with so much intensitve.
I mean, I have not seen full court pressure defense
(19:56):
since I played in eighty seven under Bob Poppenberg and
we were picking up full court. That's how long it's been.
And teams in today's game are not expecting that. They
don't expecting you to do it at the beginning of
the game, and that's what's shocking everybody. So they playing
an old school tall sylar basketball with new age players.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Old ponies. Doug gott Leave Show you listened to Fox
Sports Radio. Okay, you got the Knicks taking on the
Pacers tonight, trying to stave off elimination. Tyrese Haliburton, what's
your evl of how we how we should look at him?
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Well, Tyreese is you know, he used the words used
against him to show people, you know, overrated and so
to me, and that was foul, you know, with the
players doing that and making a public that wasn't cool.
But he's used everything, you know, they they bought his dad,
He's used that, so he's motivated all the way around.
(20:58):
But Indiana again, similar to Oklahoma City. They run a
fast paced game and they play like a college style
and they're in Indiana, the home of basketball pitty much
in my opinion, and it's like they're doing the same thing.
They pick you up foot court, they put a lot
of fush on you, and they have a championship coach.
So those things both well for them. But Todd Reese
(21:20):
is the key this guy. You know, the fact that
he's a low turnover guy is huge. And that's the
problem with so many teams the Knicks. Okay, see we
go back teams that aren't even in the playoffs like
the Gold Say Warriors, it's like teams like that, high
turnover teams, it's hard to win. But he's a low
turnover guy and he's doing what he's supposed to do.
(21:42):
He's just taking advantage.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. That's
the that's the voice of olden polonies. Okay, the Knicks?
Is it? What's limiting the Knicks in this series? And
at the top of the NBA.
Speaker 5 (22:00):
Exhaust fift you got a guy standing on the sidelines
in Tom Thibodeaux that doesn't know how to make in
game decisions and adjustment. And it's a shame. I've said
this all along. You're gonna wear these guys out, and
which is what he did. You can't play five guys
forty minutes. He just can't do it. So four guys
(22:21):
forty forty two, that's insane. You have other NBA players,
You have three guys on your team in Landry Shammoth,
the Lonwright and Precious Ature who who have been in
big games, and yet they can't find extensive minutes under Tiboleau.
And so to me, that's the problem. These guys are
gassed and no one wants to talk about it. You
(22:43):
have just driven your team into the ground as a coach,
and all he does is stand there with his arms
cross and looks silly.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Old Paul is joining us. Okay, what about the argument
that Brunson can't be the best player in the championship team.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
But Bronson maybe should have shouldn't be. But at the
same time, it has nothing to do with him. It
has to do with the fact that these guys exhaust period.
Indiana is using that against them. They are again picking
up full court, different defenders. All of that stuff comes
into play. It has nothing to do with whether he
can be the number one or number two. To me,
I'll say this, I don't believe he and I called
(23:23):
Anthony Towns can coexist. It's too much ones a big.
Ones are big and ones are small. But they're both
the same players. They are both the same exact players,
just different body.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yeah, it is interesting. Actually, I think Bronson's better inside
the lane, whereas I think Towns may be better at
shooting threes. It's they're actually their roles are reversed from
the usual roles of men of their size. All right,
So if we get Oklahoma City and Indy. Both teams
have tremendous depths. Obviously, the Pacers want to play at
(24:01):
a great pace. Who do you like?
Speaker 5 (24:09):
I believe that the series with the Knicks is over
pretty much. It's unfortunate because I really like the Knicks
and what they did against Boston. But right now, again,
the longer the series go to the playoffs go, the
worse the Knicks are gonna fare. And so I'd rather
see Indiana than a one out New York team against Okay. See,
(24:29):
so Indiana is going to put pressure on them because
they pay, and I think they can match up pound
for pound. Now, the advantage I give Indiana is the
fact that I don't think they could. I obviously don't
think they can stay with Indiana's paid I really don't,
and so to me, and they have, like I said,
they have enough bodies to throw at OKC.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
They do. And then of course we'll see if Halburton
is as good as he's played here in the NBA.
What can we learn about the future of the league
from these two teams? Will see me playing in the finals.
Speaker 5 (25:05):
Well, the future is bright, I believe that, you know,
And so it's showing us where it's at you know,
I think we're going to get back to the era
of you know, what we had in the eighties and nineties,
you know, physicality. We're seeing that with Carusoe, luth Dort
and those guys, and also with Moles Turner on the
(25:26):
other side and Maturin. All those guys were in Bata,
so they are they are taking advantage, like I said earlier,
of the rules. The playoffs came, and that's what's been
shocking to a lot of teams, you know, expecting whistles
that aren't coming. That's what happened with Minnesota. They thought
they were going to get the same whistles or not
whistles like they got in Game three, and it didn't happen.
(25:47):
They messed their minds up. But this league is, you know,
is in an uptick because you got some good young
players that are bringing back old school basketball. And that's
what I'm loving about it. You know, the mid range
and is coming back, and I am loving stuff like that.
You know, neither one of those teams shoot a lot
of three, but they will shoot them when they need to.
(26:11):
So it's a good combination and a full court pfessure defense.
I you know, I love defense, so I'm really excited
about that.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Yeah, you and me both. It is. It's fun. It's
fun to see the depth of those teams. It's fun
to see how hard they play, like you said, sort
of a collegiate feel and playing a lot of dudes
and pressuring that's not and and the pace of the
Pacers play is a very very watchable style. How how
do we how do we connect those two things? Cause
you know, Jason Stewart, my producer, will and he'll straight
(26:41):
straight up tell you, like, not a fan of the NBA.
I'm like, dude, you got to watch the playoffs because
it's way better basketball than you think. Now He's like,
it's really good, but people aren't going to watch. How
do we connect the style that's actually being played, Uh
with the fans who are kind of caught in the
narrative of NBA basketball is a hard watch.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
Well, we got to get rid of some of our
old now ittives that they've been used to, you know,
because of the plays that we've had in the past,
and they got to remember, I mean, you were loving
the Warriors, but it was almost the same thing that
the Warriors were doing. It was hard nose defense. It's
just that now these two teams that I'm speaking of,
Indiana and Oka, see they extended full court. And you
got to remember, the NBA is a copycat league. Either
(27:27):
one of those teams win the championship. Trust me, everybody's
switching up. Oh, we need to extend our defense. We
need to do this. We need to get a young coach,
we need it's gonna happen. It's a copycat league.
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Oh p you're the best man. Appreciate you. Jonas's talk
as the finals rule on. Thanks for being our guest
on Fox Sports Radio. All right, that's a fifteen year
NBA vet. Unbelievable guy, Fox Sports Radio, NBA insider holding Polonies.
Let's get and by the way, he didn't even get
his theme song, like come on, Sam, come on Sam.
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Oh we had a production meeting behind the scenes here
and and Jason put the axe on it.
Speaker 1 (28:03):
Really I told hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
hold on, hold on.
Speaker 7 (28:10):
So the last two times we played his intro like
here's the this is the history of Olden Polonies' intro.
Dan Bayer put together a game called Olden Days where
we were going to talk about Olden's old old playing days.
I did a theme song for it, and then I'm like, man,
(28:30):
whenever we have him as the guest, we have this
theme song ready to go. So we started playing it
and Oldham loved it. Like he could hear him on
the phone laughing. He loved it. He took ownership over it.
The last two times, neither you or him even reacted
to it. It was like every guest is brought in
with a karaoke version of a producer singing at the
(28:50):
top of his lungs. It's like, just this is just
standard play. So if it's not going to get a reaction,
then I'll just put put the on it.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Well, I think, and this funny you say kabash Is
it kabash or is the kaibash.
Speaker 6 (29:03):
Either or I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:04):
I'm just again, I just want to be right when
I say it right. The one thing, I also think
you're lacking some context there because the last two times
he joined us, I think the music was late. It
was like oh oh, because we were coming out of
something else. We kind of had to scramble to get there.
And I think that's the reason there wasn't the normal
(29:24):
reaction as well as both of us were friends kind
of chomping at the bit to talk hoops, which like, yeah,
let's just kind of it's like partially, let's push it
aside and get after it, right. So that's that's I
think what was behind you?
Speaker 6 (29:38):
I think a few times and he's like, I'm good now,
I'm good.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
I don't think so. I don't think.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
In the words of Sprockets, your story has become tiresome,
this song has become tiresome.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
If that's what you think it is by all means,
guys like I'll I'll abide by that. I don't think
it was well to say that. Deep.
Speaker 6 (30:00):
We'll dust it off some time, thank you. We won't
without it.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Okay. Uh, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox. Portrayer.
We do eat an update, don't we?
Speaker 6 (30:09):
Yes, you do.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
There's months I'm here, Hey Mons, how come you don't
turn on the camera in your in your studio.
Speaker 8 (30:16):
Because then I have to worry about what I'm doing
with the camera on.
Speaker 9 (30:20):
I'm eating, I'm writing notes. I see, yeah, my nose.
But thank you for that, Sam, thank you for that,
thank you for that. But I usually am eating more
than anything. When I'm sitting here as I take my notes.
That's really, that's all it is.
Speaker 8 (30:36):
Oh yeah, but maybe, yeah, maybe I'll make an effort
to not eat when I sit here. And then that
way I don't have to eat.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Not eat, you can eat, you can do whatever.
Speaker 6 (30:44):
It's hand snacking through the day an the day.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 9 (30:49):
I find that I can't eat infront of a camera.
Speaker 4 (30:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
I don't know what it is. You want my quick
comment on that? Here it is, Okay, Doug Otlib show
on Fox Sports Trade a good rolling A. Yes, Charlie
Baker wants to expand from seventy two to seventy six.
And you'll have people that are coaches like myself, and
they'll be like, oh, the sanctity of college basketball and
we have blah blah blah blah blah. It is about
(31:12):
one thing and one wow, two things. Two things, Okay,
the and and really comes down to one but two things.
The first thing it's about is about keeping the NCAA together.
I don't know how many people followed this, but there's
there's this roomor out there Greg Sank in the SEC.
They want them the big ten. They want to break
(31:33):
off and have a get away from the NCAA. So
with the settlement, which has not yet been I don't
believe signed by the judge, is like this designed really
for one thing, to stabilize college athletics and to keep
the NCAA together. And you think the NCAA again, a
lot of this is narrative, it's some nefarious organization, like no,
(31:55):
it's not. Hey, you got some figureheads like Charlie Baker
who run the thing, but it's just all the schools.
Kind of voting and how they vote is a good
part of the argument. But the NCAA tournament is the
only place that the NCAAA makes money, and it's also
the place where programs like mine that we make money
based upon what we do with our home games are
(32:18):
guarantee games, and how many teams get into the tournament
from our league, and then how many units they get.
There's amount of money you get for every team and
then every round that they advanced in the tournament. Okay,
so last year, for example, not this year, Oakland won
the tournament, went to the tournament, won a game in
the tournament, the whole league got two units, Oakland getting
(32:41):
the majority of getting the biggest chunk of that money.
So what this does is, Okay, if you create and
they'll probably go to seventy two and then eventually expand
to seventy six. Right, oh, we're at sixty eight. You
want four more teams in two more games. Got to
pay more money. Then you get more money. You'll wait
a couple of years. Okay, you like that. Now you
gotta get more money. But all programs need more money.
(33:07):
Everything costs more money. There's this assumption out there there's
endless streams of money. It's not true. This is where
if you don't have football, this is where you get
all the money. So everybody will want it to happen.
It's not for programs like mine. And honestly, because mid
majors and low majors aren't getting they're not going to
get a second bid. That's where the big part comes in,
(33:30):
where it's really to keep those power for schools happy.
You know, if there's eight more spots, they'll get six
or seven of them. That'll create you know, more units,
more money, and that'll keep them tied to the ncaa longer,
so that everybody continue making money and that the train
can continue on to the next station. So when he
(33:51):
throws it out there, people are like, wait, so we
make more money and more teams get in the tournament, Like,
what are we losing on this? Well, you know you
just have sixty fourteen bracket. You still have the bracket.
You just have more playing games. Do I love it?
Speaker 5 (34:04):
No?
Speaker 1 (34:05):
But again, do I want to keep my job and
have my school and all schools make more money? Yeah?
Have to.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
In order to find be sure to catch the live
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Speaker 1 (34:20):
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(34:41):
get to a game.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
What do you got there? Months of blindness. What's the game?
Speaker 6 (35:02):
All right? We're playing. I feel a draft.
Speaker 9 (35:05):
That's what we're doing.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
I feel a draft.
Speaker 8 (35:10):
We're gonna be drafting the best single season NBA championship
team of the last twenty years. If we go quickly,
we can each get two win. But we're gonna start
with you, Doug, you coach, Then Sam, me, Jason and
Snake back if we have enough time. All right, coach,
you're up.
Speaker 6 (35:24):
Give us the best.
Speaker 8 (35:25):
Single season NBA championship team of the last twenty years.
Speaker 1 (35:31):
I think it's the Kevin Durant and Steph Curry Golden
State Warriors. They went, did they? They lose a game
with sixteen and one in the NBA playoffs, sixteen to one,
So sixteen one.
Speaker 8 (35:43):
Yeah, that's a pretty good one. Yeah, all right, Sam,
you got one.
Speaker 6 (35:49):
With the second overall pick, I will draft the twenty
fifteen to twenty sixteen Cleveland Cavaliers. Yeah, that's a good one.
Golden State coming back down from three to one. Yeah,
to give Cleveland their champion. Chip Lebron's promise is made
and kept.
Speaker 8 (36:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
I like that one.
Speaker 8 (36:04):
All right, come in number three pick you guys, you
got to take the.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
MAVs Dirk Noovitski taking down I.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Know, taking down the heat.
Speaker 8 (36:11):
This was like twenty eleven and it was four to two,
one of the last like times it was a one
superstar with a bunch of role players. We hadn't seen
that in a while. I'm taking that one coming dow
at number three. Jason, You're up.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
Wow, I think I just misread my own game. Did
I say twenty years for twenty five years?
Speaker 6 (36:28):
Twenty oh?
Speaker 7 (36:29):
No, okay, I was just going to take the last
of the Lakers three peat in two thousand and two.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I'll let you take it.
Speaker 7 (36:38):
So let's do this. I'm going to choose both of
Kobe's championship teams, all right, that includes lamar Odom, Paul
Gasol and the like. I'm going to choose both of
those back to back.
Speaker 6 (36:51):
Teams, all right, So it goes back to me. All right,
then I've got it.
Speaker 8 (36:55):
I think I have to take go back to when
I was my senior year in high school when the
Spurs swept the Calves off. Remember that mounted you and
Nobili off the bench was like killing it because Tim
Duncan couldn't score, if I remember correctly, in that last
one that's the one I'm taking.
Speaker 6 (37:10):
All right back to you, Sam, I'm going to draft
here the Golden State Warriors who beat the Celtics in
six games, because a lot of people then said, Okay,
that was our dynasty for what is it, four championships
and in eight years, and that's kind of the last
dynasty we've had because we've had all of new champions. Nice,
all right, coach, you get the final pick.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
Greatest NBA champion in the last twenty years. Huh. Honestly,
I'm gonna go with the twenty twenty three Denver Nuggets.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Nice.
Speaker 5 (37:49):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
I just they had the best record. They dust off
the heat. I mean, part of it was the heat
weren't that good, but they went through a gauntlet in
the in the in the playoffs. The Nuggets.
Speaker 6 (37:59):
Yeah, that one.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
That's game time. That's game time. Stuck out, Leap Show,
Fox Sports Traded, don't call to throw it back Thursday,
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