February 12, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug explains why he owes Dallas Mavs GM Nico Harrison an apology. Doug discusses what will be on Kevin Durant's playing tombstone. Doug welcomes NBA Insider Marc Stein onto the show to discuss Kevin Durant, Luka Doncic and the other major headlines around the NBA. Plus, Monse Bolanos takes Doug through a game of "For Better or Worse?".
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you're having an absolutely spectacular day. Oh no, you're too
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cor your too con I know there's snow and ice
in most of the Midwest. It's all moving to the
Northeast where it's going to be and we got snow
here in Green Bay, Wisconsin. It's a beautiful, white wonderland,
white wonderland. I wanted to start the show off with
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a bit of an apology. And I also think that
Dallas Maverick fans, as well as most NBA fans need
to catch their breath on the Nico Collins hate moments.
And here's why. So again yesterday we said to start
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the show, like, how do you not take the Nico
Harrison what sorry, Nico Harrison, the Nico Harrison hate. Yesterday
we said, how do you not take him to market? Right?
If you're going to trade Luka doncik, how do you
not take it to market? I can't just sell it
early without getting the highest price possible. And again, I
still believe they did not get enough enough probably one
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you know, and again and I and what you'll say is, well,
you know you have to do contract for contract, player
for player, Okay, you know, Dalton Connect, Austin Ree whatever,
one of those obvious housteries a higher value. But you
do feel like there should have been a pound of flash.
Here's what people are missing. And it wasn't until I
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talked to some people and read some of these things
that apparently Nico Harrison had called the Milwaukee Bucks next
about Giannis. Many people believe this could be the last
year for Yannis and Milwaukee. He'd called the Minnesota Temples
and asked about Anthony Edwards, and neither neither wanted to
trade for Luca Dnjik neither. So this is a lot like, uh,
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this is I mean, the Bucks are interesting because the
Bucks famously traded for the back court mate of Steph
Curry going back years and years, years and years ago,
and I thought it was fascinating that at that time.
You know, at the time, if you go back and
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look at Steph Curry's career and you're like, wait a second.
His second contract was four years I think forty four
million dollars and you're like, wait a second, So why
was it so low? It wasn't a max The second
contract was not a max deal. Why because remember he
had lots of injuries, and there were people who just
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didn't think you could be elite with Steph Curry because
physically his body wouldn't stand up. Monte Ellis was traded
for Andrew Boget. That changed along with Steve Kirby being
their head coach. That changed the Warriors forever. But what
I told people and I know to be true and
it's come out as fact, was the Warriors wanted Andrew Boget.
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They knew they needed a center, and they told the Bucks,
you can have Montalis or Steph Curry, you pick and
they chose Montalis, which again it's not just the Bucks
choosing poorly, it's the Warriors not valuing Steph Curry above
that of Montalis. These are real things that happen. So
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when we go back and we say, hey, the Dallas
Mavericks undervalued Luka Doncik. You may be right, But now
when I think of it, it appears obvious that Nico
Harrison said, Okay, if I'm going to trade one of
the top five players in the NBA, well then I
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got to get a top five player back. And he
viewed Anthony Davis as a top five player, as with
Anthony Edwards, as with Giannis and Tennecoupo. The only guy
he didn't call was probably Philadelphia, because are you really
gonna trade for Joel Embiid? You might have gotten it,
but Joel Embiid, I mean, he's the only one to
hurt more than all those guys combined. And if you
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want draft picks, the two teams with draft picks are
San Antonio. I mean, they're not trading Victor Webbin Yama
for Luca Nordin any of those draft picks, and Oklahoma
City all in the same division, like, that's not happening.
Who else are you gonna call? Who else are you
gonna ask for? So the point is that it's it's fair.
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If you think this was the worst trade ever, you
might be right. I would have held on to Luca.
I do think there's a way in which you could
have from here until the end of the season tweaked him.
You could have You could have met with him, which
I'm sure they did. You could have had stories out
there about your frustrations about his weight, your concerns about
signing to a three hundred fifty million dollars contract, and
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then had this bidding sweepstakes in the off season. Could
have done all those things. But for whatever reason, they
chose to do it. Now I disagree with that, But
I don't know the day to day of dealing with Luca,
and neither do you. But everywhere you go now in Dallas,
happened at SMU at their basketball game last night where
Nico Harrison was in attendance, happens at all the Maverick games,
Fire and Nico, Fire and Nico. The fact is that
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if Luca was viewed as he is being poor trade
by the Lakers and by Mavericks fans, Then why wouldn't
Milwaukee make that make that deal? Why would the Timberwolves
make that deal? Or did they think the Mavericks probably
know a little bit more about this guy. He's probably
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a colossal pain in the torkus, and he won't stay
in shape, and he loves the drink beer in the
off season. He loves the drink wine in the off season,
and he wants a three hundred fifty million dollars contract
and they don't want give it to him. And Nico said,
I'm only going to trade him for a top five player.
And oh yeah, by the way, we can make fun
of Anthony Davis being injured, and of course he's injured again.
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But Anthony Davis is an incredible player, and he is
a top five player. Maybe that's my biggest takeaway from
this trade is the massive undervaluing Is that that sounds
like a terrible English sentence, but whatever, we have massively
undervalued that of Anthony Davis. Or maybe we're just super
cautious because he seemed to always be hurt and now
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he's heard again. But I'll offer up a maya copa.
I thought he just traded him to Rob Polinka because
they're boys going back to the Kobe days, and didn't
call anybody else. Apparently he did his due diligence and
called those two other teams with two other superstars, the
only two other places you could have sent him and
gotten a top five ish player in return. And they
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said no. The Laker said yes, and now he's a Laker.
And now he's a Laker because I spent the morning
thinking about teams. Could you do the Clippers? Like no,
I mean again, between Joel Embiid and Kawhi Leonard, Like
those two guys are a mass unit of injuries and
that's not happening. You know, Golden State. You're not gonna
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get Steph Curry back in return? Like that's that doesn't
Steph Curry doesn't make the Mavericks better. Makes some fun,
but not better. Hey and Kyrie on the same team.
We'll go around the NBA and tell me somebody who
is an elite player, a top five top tennis player
who you would trade for, And the answers would be
Embiid when he's healthy, Jannis ant Man, Anthony Davis, I'm
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Kevin Durant No, too old, right, You're not going to
trade a twenty five year old star for a thirty
five year old star. That's not happening either. So I
actually think he did his due diligence. Still probably didn't
get enough, but again we don't know the market. At
the end of the day, Polinka does come out looking great.
But also Polinka probably knew because they all talk to
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each other like he's only coming to me because he
has I'm gonna make him negotiate against himself. So was
his If the plan was to trade Luca, that's what
he wanted to do, and he only wanted to do
it to get a top five player return. He accomplished
that goal. Did he get enough in my opinion, No,
but some of that is probably the timing by which
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he did it. And I look around the country and
I see all these fire Nico and all the continued
discussions of it. And I love Luca, But if you said, hey,
Luca is not in quality shape, no one's going to
disagree with you. Luca doesn't play defense, no one's going
to disagree with you. And if Nico Harrison is a
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complete clown and doesn't know what he's doing, why they
reached the NBA finals last year, and a lot of
it was on the moves that he had made. Gafford
Lively the Kyrie trade. When they made the Kyrie trade,
they're like, I don't know they re signed Kyrie. Now, Yes,
Mark Cuban was running the team at the time, but Nico.
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Nico didn't just get the job five days ago. Not
what happened. And if you're going to be critical of Nico,
that's fine. You probably also if the Bucks don't win
a championship, be critical of the Bucks. If they lose Giannis,
and if the Timberwolves still don't get to even get
to the Western Conference Finals or don't win the NBA Championship,
need to be critical of them as well. Just like
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when Steph Curry wasn't traded to the Bucks, you gotta
doll to be critical of the Bucks for not trading
for him instead taking Monte Ellis, and for the Warriors
for making them available via trade. Right, there's the mental
gymnastics for you.
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sometimes in the background, like this is my sports basement.
I got TV's up and I got to you know,
all the things, and right on Green Bay. And then
at times we'll do it from my basketball office and
that's when we have the Green Bay stuff in the
background or whatever. The squeaking that you hear, yes, it
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is Vince Lombardi, my dog. And I don't know why
he chooses to do this, but I, you know, again,
effort to not be distracted doing the radio show. I
come down here, he comes down here, and I don't know, Sam,
are you a dog guy? Do you have a dog?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Yeah, I am a dog guy, and yes, yes, I
love dogs. And I heard that during the break and
I was like, oh, he's a no.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And it's always an inopportunity moment. So he has my guy,
so Vince Lombardi, we call him BARTI is eight months
old and he has I don't know, I think it's
like ten toys and a bunch of them are animals,
like stuffed animals. Right. So he has duck, he has
that's lama that you're hearing. He has chicken, he has
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a raccoon, he has squirrel, he has fox. Yeah, well
it might be an outpacka I gotta see. If you're
watching our YouTube channel, you can see it. It is
a sad looking outpack or whatever. But what's interesting about
it is, even though they all have squeakers in him,
he only does the squeaker thing with with the with
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the lama. When he has duck. He carries duck around
and then he'll take duck onto like a chair and
chew on duck and it actually makes like a duck
call type of sound. With chicken, chickens bigger, and he
just kind of flops around and almost like hugs chicken.
And then he likes to lay and chew on squirrel.
And it's an interesting thing. So don't blame me or
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blame Bartie, blame lama, Okay, Lama is the cause of
these problems.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
That's that's adorable, Doug. And it's it's like it's he's
everyone follows a routine every day, or most people do,
or a rhythm, and it's like he wants to squeak
that Lama when you're on the air and he follow
you around. Yes, you know, in a couple hours from now,
he won't do it. And it's like it's it's like
when you wake up, you got to make your coffee.
Everyone has routine. He's like, I got to squeak between
the hours of such and such.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yes, yes, and again it's because I'm coaching basketball the
whole rest of the day, right, so this is a
little bit of our time together. He'll go out and
play in the snow for an hour hour, forty five minutes,
come in with clumps of snow. But it inevitably when
I'm doing the show from here, he finds Lama and
make sure that Lama gets a little radio time here
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on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, Kevin Duran scored his thirty
thousandth point last night in the NBA and took him
six less games than Lebron James. You know, we can
talk about the three point shot or whatever. Obviously part
of the reason that you're like, wait, why did it
take him fewer games when he's older than when Lebron
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did it? Lebron came right out of high school plus KD.
You remember he missed I think it was fifty one
games one year and then missed it with the thunder.
He missed the entire season when he tours Kille's ten
in with the Golden State Warriors, and then he went
to the Brooklyn Nets and didn't play for a year.
So that's why in terms of year span it taken
him longer, but games actually shorter than Lebron. So when
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we everybody says like, what do you put on your tombstone?
What do you put in your tombstone? By the way,
quick shout out to whoever came up with the remember
the tombstone pizzas hell?
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Yeah, I love tombstone, right.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And they used to have that ad campaign, what do
you put on your tombstone? It's like Pepperoni, was it?
Speaker 5 (14:32):
What do you want on your tombstone?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Is it? What do you want your potential?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
A week?
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Close enough? We got the idea, Yeah, all right, everybody,
the idea I go supreme first one when you're done. Really, Yeah,
I love supreme pizzas. I love supreme frozen pizzas.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Man, I can't do I kid. We got a company
called Epic out here that makes great frozen pizzas. And
I don't know if people I didn't know this until
moving to Wisconsin, but apparently the frozen pizza on the
grill outside in the summer is the thing. Yeah, and
you also do it in the winter when you're like
ice fishing. You get the little thing and then you
could your frozen Pete's out there. I still do it now.
I do it in my flat top.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
You can use like a green Egg too. People do that.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, the green Egg did not make the trip my
green Egg rip to my green Egg anyway. So what
what what's interesting when you obviously when you die, you
have your tombstone, So in your sports tombstone. Actually, let
me ask you this, Jay stew on your radio tombstone.
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When you hang down, when you turn off the put
down the headset. You've been doing this twenty five years
and you're done. I've been doing this, you know, from
Jim Rome show to my show to every show in between.
What do you want them to say about you.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I want to steal from what Monsey Bolonnios once said
about me. If I find this to be a compliment,
I'm difficult to please. If you do please me, then
you are You've done. You've done a pretty good job
on radio. And I also want this on a tombstone.
I don't know if this has to do with radio
or just in general, big tombstone. I spent my life
searching for the opposite of BS.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
So that's not the truth. It's just the opposite of BS.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Whatever the opposite of B S is I'm searching for.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Okay, MANSI, what do you want on your tomb your
your radio tombstone. You're you're the youngest of the group,
so you're gonna die, and you're a woman, so you're
gonna die a lot longer. We're talking about your your
radio tombstone.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
When you want to say, yeah, you're putting me on
the spot on a question that I didn't know you
were going to ask me. So in reality, I have
no idea what I would want on my tombstone.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
But I have no idea what I would want on
my tombstone.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
That's it, period.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Hashtag come on man.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
You guys put me on the spot here. I really well,
listen if you're if if you stop, we're gonna have
to We're gonna have to design your own tombstone.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
This is the thing. You don't think too hard. You
think just like, what do you want people remember me
by it in the business.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Yeah, there we go, just.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Quotation mark.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I thought she was a cool chick with a great
laugh there. Yeah, yeah, cool chick, great laugh. Yeah, Sam,
I mean you want to talk about we're all kind
of concerned that this may be a lengthy statement on
the tombstone. Okay, here you may, but but Sammy, what
do you want on your sports ate?
Speaker 5 (17:23):
It came to me instantly on this so with the
with being a technical producer on the drops, I just
wanted to say, the quickest draw in.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
The West, the quickest draw in the West.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Get those drops out?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Pause, I said, pause, pause.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Quickest drop us drawing the West. Well, the quickest drop
in the West. Whatever you want. It's kind of like
it's kind of a western to uh.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
On Kevin Durant's tombstone, I would say, uh, there's never
been a never been a bucket. He couldn't get nice,
never been a bucket gat like I think Kevin Rant
an unbelievable scorer. I mean some people would say, like
the George Gervin Iceman. The difference was and full disclosure,
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I never saw the Iceban play live like this is
all from my dad. But the Iceban wasn't known as
a winning player. I think Kevin Rant what happens oftentimes,
as we say one of the greatest, if not the greatest,
modern day score is, we're not saying he's a winner.
I think Kevin Rant did have you the reputation of
being an all time great scorer, not a winner. And
obviously Golden State changed that should have changed that, but
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it didn't for so many people because he joined the Warriors. Well,
let's recommend Mark Stein because he's been covering basketballs as
long as I have, and he joins us here. Of course,
you can read his sub stack anytime you want. Mark
Stein joins this plus he co is a podcast called
This League Gun Cut with fellow insider Chris Haynes. You
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can find it where you find your podcast. Kevin Rant's
sport basketball tombstone should read.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
What HM look man, he is. I think what you
said first as a score you know the oversimplification, and
you know where I live, and you know whose career.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
You know, I.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Probably covered Dirk Noviski's career closer than any player I've
ever covered, And you know, the oversimplification of it always
was Evan Durant is Dirk Navisky within sane athleticism. I
mean you could imagine, you know, if Dirk had some
of the stuff that that Kevin Durant have. Kevin Durant
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took it to another level, and that's He's not a
winning fight. He's not a winning player. Like people really
think that I covered those two finals that the Warriors
won with him. I mean, he was the difference.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Listen Steiny, I agree with you. I do think though
that when people like when people label you as a
score in basketball, oftentimes what that's tell it the the
under current is they' not a winner, right, not a
winning player. He just wants to score. Right. That was
George Gervin, That was There's other guys like that, right
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that was. I think, Look, Dominique Wilkins.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
People used to say that about Dominique, which I think
was very unfair to Dominique Wilkins because you know what,
Dominique wilkins biggest problem was they ran into Boston Celtics
every year, like that was his problem. Like yeah, but
you know, I look, you know, Kevin Durant is not
gonna you know, win assist titles or you know, here's
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another thing.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I mean.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
And I still, you know, I've ever obviously covered Durant
a lot. I still remember the game as a Brooklyn
Net when he decided one night that he was going
to full court press Luca. I don't know that I've
ever seen anyone guard Luca as impressively as Kevin Durant
did that night. Like he has a ridiculous array of
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basketball And I just think, like, because people, because he
brawls with fans on Twitter, is that what is detracting
from his legacy? It should not. Man, this guy is
he is one of you know, I don't have my
top ten rankings up. He's one of the fifteen best
players we've ever seen, you know, whatever the rankings are.
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You know, I need more time than to just do
it off the cup on a radio show. But come on,
and this guy is sensational.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I listen, I agree with you. On the NBA five,
I thought he went you know again, I don't know
Kevin Durant well enough to go like, hey, is this
what really happened? But I believe that the obviously, and
he's talked about a little bit. The reason for leaving
Oklahoma City was when they played the Warriors and they
lost after having the three games to one lead. He
was basically playing, you know, one on two every time
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he got the ball, and he wanted the space to
show he was the best player in the world. And
then you get to two NBA finals against Lebron James,
and he was better than Lebron in the finals they
guard each other. He was better in the second half
of all those games. And I think he thought the
world would wrap their arms around him and say you're
now the best player in basketball, and it didn't happen,
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and it probably turned him forever bidder.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
I mean, look, I try not to get in Kevin said,
because he'll you know, if you try to read him
and you read it wrong, he's gonna come out and
say you've read me wrong. So like, I don't want
to act like I know his precise thinking. But to me,
I think he joined the Warriors for the same reason
he left the Warriors at both of those times in
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his life, he really wanted to try something different and
try something new, and that is his personality, you know,
you know, you know, unlike jrk. Naviski, who wanted to
spend one you know, he wanted to spend his whole
career in one place with one team. So Kevin Durant
didn't have that approach. He wanted to try something different.
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We've seen him do it multiple times. And a big
reason why he didn't just get traded last week is
because he doesn't want to leave the Phoenix Suns. He
wanted to be in Phoenix. He wanted to make this
work and isn't ready to go and turn down the
chance to go back to the Warriors a second time.
But like, you know, look, everybody has their own opinion.
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Everybody's entitled to their own opinion. But I would just say,
you know, there's probably too much focus on you know, Twitter,
beafs with fans or whatever, instead of looking at like
what the player does. I mean, he just went the
number what eight is it in scoring? I mean he's
one of the only eight guys to hit thirty thousand points.
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And yeah, to just say he's a scorer is not
enough it's.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Just not enough. Stut Gottlief Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Mark Stein joins us and if you if you want
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Check it out. It's phenomenal. Okay, when did you know
about the Luca deal.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Same time as everybody else?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Is it possible like you're mister Maverick.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
Because well, what I would tell you is, these are
not the same Dallas Mavericks as they once were. There's
been a lot of change, and you know, they really
did keep it. I mean, you know that Lebron James
and Anthony Davis and Luka Doncic didn't know either, right.
If Luka Doncic doesn't know, I'm not going to know.
I mean, you know, Luka Doncic did not know he
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was getting traded until, you know, twenty odd minutes before
it came out. They you know, this was Nico Harrison's show,
and Nico Harrison and Rob Palinka and the respective owners.
I mean, that's that's that's as far as the circle
got until the night of the trade. And I know
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nobody wants to believe that because when anything of note
happens anymore, every but he wants to launch into seventeen
conspiracy theories about this is what really happens. But I mean, look,
I'm reporting on this every day. I'm learning new things
every day. I'm going to keep reporting on it every day,
and who knows, in two weeks, in a month, in
six months, maybe I'll have new information that I didn't have,
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and I'll come back on and tell you you know,
I was wrong. I didn't know this. I didn't know that.
But based on everything that I have been told and
that I have been able to confirm in the eleven
twelve days since this happened, is it was kept that
closely in that that small of a circle. Again, Luka Doncic,
the principles in this trade did not know until shortly
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before the news broke.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
So what about the calls to Milwaukee and Minnesota? Are
those accurately?
Speaker 7 (25:49):
Those have been look, those have been reported by other reporters.
I have not independently confirmed those, and I cannot tell you.
I cannot say that I know for sure that they happened.
Based on everything I've been told about this, the Lakers
were here on January seventh, I saw the Lakers. I
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saw Rob Blinka hours after the first meeting between he,
he and Nico Harrison to start talking about this trade.
And obviously nobody knew that night except the two of them,
you know. So to me knowing what I do know
now is and I think this is coming. You know,
Rich Paul has said it. I've reported extensively on it.
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I've written three long stories about this trade already, and
like I said, I'm gonna keep reporting and writing. Nico
Harrison has wanted Ad in Dallas pretty much since he
got to Dallas, and so knowing that AD was such
a prime target to me, like the Milwaukee and Minnesota talk,
it's that's where it doesn't add up, because.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
It's not just that.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
I mean, he he wanted to negotiate with the Lakers
and negotiate with Rob Polinka because of their relationship. That
was one place he was sure that it would stay quiet.
But it was also hugely driven by the fact that
Ad is the centerpiece he wanted back in a Luca
Dontis trade. So the hard part for me to believe
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on the Milwaukee and Minnesota stuff is if they contacted
those teams how did that not leak sooner? Because that's
where you would have leaks if the Dallas Mavericks are
contract contacting team A, team B, team C. That's how
stuff gets around once you start contacting more teams. But again,
you know those are not my reports, and you know,
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if I can independently confirm them, I will say that
I've heard the same, But to this point I haven't.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I do think and obviously Nico Harrison probably agrees with
me that of all the things that have gone undervalued,
it's Anthony Davis is an unbelievable player. He's not Luca,
but he's a dominant player. The downside to Anthony Davis
is he's somebody who all many of the criticisms of
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Luca in terms of taking care of his body and
always being injured. You could say about Anthony Davis up
until the last year and a half or so, and
then oh, yeah, by the way, now he's hurt already.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
That's one of the elements that has made this thing
so wild because I was there Saturday when they played Houston,
and I'm telling you, and you know I've been in
Dallas nearly thirty years now. I've watched a lot of
Mavericks basketball. He was a two way menace in that
first half against Houston, the likes of which the Mavericks
have never seen. I mean, he, especially in the first quarter,
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I think, is the best I have ever seen in play.
I mean he literally touched every inch of the floor
and did every single thing that a basketball player can
do on the court. I mean, stop blocking, skying above
the rim for rebounds, ball handling, three pointer, dirk, one
legged fadeaway. There is nothing in basketball that Anthony Davis
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did not do in the first half. I mean, he
has it all when he's at his peak, he literally
has it all. But like you said, I mean, he
showed up with his own injury history, and to immediately
sustain an injury was just I mean, I feel for
him because he didn't make this trade. He had nothing
to do with instigating this trade. He's come to Dallas,
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he's tried to say all the right things and played
spectacularly in his debut, and to suffer an injury set
back like he already has and we still don't even
know the severity of it, it's a very rough situation
for him.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Steug gottlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Mark Stein. Okay, so I've heard people say
even if the Mavericks win NBA Championship, it still won't
be enough. What do we do, come on, like how
long that? Look?
Speaker 7 (30:04):
I don't fully buy that, Like obviously, if this team
went on a playoff run. I mean, you know how
a city gets behind a team making a playoff run.
And I find it hard to believe that bab Fans,
especially after everything they've been through, wouldn't go nuts for
a team that was making that kind of run. But look,
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for some im living here, I'm telling you, I genuinely
believe that for some because again, we also have to
factor in the Luca side of the equation. So the Mavericks,
the Mavericks, it's not just Luca, it's not just winning
a championship without Luca. Luca would have to fail to
get the Mavericks off the hook because you assume he's
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gonna go to La and win multiple championships. The Lakers
have a new ten year runway that they did not
have two weeks ago today, like they the Lakers have
a future that they couldn't have dreamed does two weeks
ago today because of this guy, and you know I
have watched him obviously from very close range. You can
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level any criticism you want about his fitness, his diet,
his conditioning, his comportment with referees, whatever you want. I
do not care, and I personally do not want to
hear it. At his worst, unfittest, angriest, whatever you want
to say. Luka, Doncic never wakes up as anything worse
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than the third best player in the world. And at
twenty five years old, when he didn't want to trade,
when he didn't want to be here, you cannot trade
that player. And the Lakers know how lucky they are,
but they are. They are pinching themselves every hour of
every day because again, for whatever flaws you want to lift,
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you put up with all of them. For a talent
like he is, you know he's a bit beyond special talent.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
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Long time NBA reporter and insider Mark Steiney Publics is
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Speaker 3 (32:17):
Thanks Coach Talk so be sure to catch the live
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Speaker 2 (32:27):
Stug gott Leap Show, You're on Fox Sports Radio. Uh,
next time we get the Midway. I like this. I
like the I like the Midway. Danie Jeremiah's going to
join us as well. We'll we'll get his thoughts on
what happened to the Chiefs and how they just got evistrated,
how did Howie Roseman build this unbelievable roster, And we'll
get you ready for the NFL Draft, which, by the way,
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is in the city that I live in call home,
Green Bay, Wisconsin. So we got a lot to get
to before you that sturn Over mons to Belanio some
play game months.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Hello them won't say what he got?
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Coach, Well, on this hump day, we.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Are playing for better or worse?
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Right, So you, coach, are gonna tell me which one's better,
which one's worst, amongst a variety of topics. Okay, let's
start Kevin Durant or Dirk Nowitzki. So for better or worse?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I think KD is better? Is better? I think KD
did did more all around. I think Dirk was a
great scorer, a great teammate, but not a great passer.
Now that is going to rebounder. I don't think as
KD now he's good a defensive player. But and I
think it's one of the reasons that so many of
the teams were eliminated earlier in the playoffs. Isna go,
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I'm gonna go KD.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
Dirk's one of my favorite players of all time, But
I don't love.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Athleticism is very he is loving the guy right and
who he was, Yeah, and saying, Okay, who do I
want as a basketball player like Kevin Drant?
Speaker 6 (34:08):
I still I think my heart would take Dirk if
I was like drafting a team. Okay, I know that's
not the right answer, all.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Right, it's what you want. I know I pay you,
but you're right.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Like, the athleticism is very obvious that Durant was better
as an all around player. But man, Dirk one of
my favorites of all time.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Okay, for better or for worse.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
The Cleveland Cavaliers who are forty three and ten or
OKC who are forty three and nine, that's a tough question.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I know, Cleveland does have guys that have done it
more in the playoffs than Oklahoma City. Sure, and Okah
Masse did fall apart against Dallas in the playoffs last year.
But I think Oklahoma City and I don't. I don't
think it's actually that close. I think olom Say's roster
it's gotten better, so it's Cleveland's. But I'm gonna go Oklahoma.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
City, all right, Okay, but I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (34:59):
I'm with you, Okay. For better or worse, Auburn basketball
or Alabama basketball.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Two of my favorites. Obviously he got down the planes,
Bruce Pearl and what they're able to do. Jeni Broom
could be the National Player of the Year, and obviously
he came off of this injury. Uh, better or worse?
For better or worse? For better worse? Well, Alabama has
has changed how they're playing dramatically, and it's fun. I'm
(35:28):
gonna I'm gonna go Alabama because they have reached the
final four more recently. That's the determining factor.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
For better or worse.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Kellen Moore or Brian Schottenheimer, who were Cowboys assistants, former
Cowboys assistants now first time head coaches.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I'm gonna go with Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Okay, the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I'm gonna go with Brian Schottenheimer, you know.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Because he's staying within the Dallas well I.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Mean, like, yeah, he doesn't have to implement a system whatever.
He has his quarterback, whereas Callimore, you know, he has
Derek Carr has to find quarterback. By the way, his
Boise team destroyed Fresno State, they actually played.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
I saw that college fifty five to seven or something.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yes, that's interesting, But remember Shot he did a good
He's done a good job at times. I think he
was with the Jets, and he was with the using
the Seahawks for a while when they had Russell Wilson.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna go Brian shot Himer.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
All right, Okay, for better or worse, Washington's chances of
challenging the Eagles for the NFC East title or the
Cowboys chances next year of challenging.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
The Eagles, I think Washington's.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Washington's Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Mean, look, Dan Quinn is an unbelievable defensive mind and
pretty good head coach. And then Cliff Kingsbury what he's
done on the offensive side, he didn't leave. They got consistency,
whereas I think the Eagles, you know, when you win
a Super Bowl, you're always gonna lose some guys. So I'm
gonna go, and they already lost their offense coordinator. Yeah,
so I'm gonna go. Uh, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
Commanders, commanders. Okay, all right, you don't think Jayden Daniel's
a sophomore slump is coming?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Maybe?
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Maybe, but still you go with that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
More, I mean, I think they were ahead of schedule
this year. The team, even if he takes a step back,
the team better.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Yeah, makes sense? Okay, for better or worse? The Angels
with Anthony Rendon playing because he's having surgery again, or
the Angels without Anthony Rendon playing.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Well, he hasn't played since he's signed. That I know
he's played to it. Yeah, surgery, ye, surgery right when
pictures and catchers are reporting. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
No, he doesn't want to play.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
No, obviously, he doesn't want to play. He's the worst,
the worst, the worst worst. Take good news is got
Kenley Jansen about five years after he was really really good.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
Yeah, he's He's played two hundred and five games and
has missed four hundred and thirty.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Eight has missed the play check. He has not missed.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
That must be nice. Twelve stints on the injured list
since the start of the twenty twenty one season.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Is Anaheim where we say we're, uh, put him out
to pasture? Is that like the or we're sending him
to the farm to live out the rest of their life?
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Oh my gosh, that should be the expression.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
We're sending Anaheim is yeah, sending him out to pasture, send.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Him out to Oh now, okay, quick one for better
or for worse? Justin Verlander, Max Suers or some of
the oldest, oldest pictures this season.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Uh, I'm gonna go Verlander Verlander.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
Nice.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Yeah, I think I actually would too. All Right, that's
game time.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
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you're having an absolutely spectacular day. Oh no, you're too
(00:41):
cor your too con I know there's snow and ice
in most of the Midwest. It's all moving to the
Northeast where it's going to be and we got snow
here in Green Bay, Wisconsin. It's a beautiful, white wonderland,
white wonderland. I wanted to start the show off with
(01:01):
a bit of an apology. And I also think that
Dallas Maverick fans, as well as most NBA fans need
to catch their breath on the Nico Collins hate moments.
And here's why. So again yesterday we said to start
(01:23):
the show, like, how do you not take the Nico
Harrison what sorry, Nico Harrison, the Nico Harrison hate. Yesterday
we said, how do you not take him to market? Right?
If you're going to trade Luka doncik, how do you
not take it to market? I can't just sell it
early without getting the highest price possible. And again, I
still believe they did not get enough enough probably one
(01:49):
you know, and again and I and what you'll say is, well,
you know you have to do contract for contract, player
for player, Okay, you know, Dalton Connect, Austin Ree whatever,
one of those obvious housteries a higher value. But you
do feel like there should have been a pound of flash.
Here's what people are missing. And it wasn't until I
(02:10):
talked to some people and read some of these things
that apparently Nico Harrison had called the Milwaukee Bucks next
about Giannis. Many people believe this could be the last
year for Yannis and Milwaukee. He'd called the Minnesota Temples
and asked about Anthony Edwards, and neither neither wanted to
trade for Luca Dnjik neither. So this is a lot like, uh,
(02:39):
this is I mean, the Bucks are interesting because the
Bucks famously traded for the back court mate of Steph
Curry going back years and years, years and years ago,
and I thought it was fascinating that at that time.
You know, at the time, if you go back and
(02:59):
look at Steph Curry's career and you're like, wait a second.
His second contract was four years I think forty four
million dollars and you're like, wait a second, So why
was it so low? It wasn't a max The second
contract was not a max deal. Why because remember he
had lots of injuries, and there were people who just
(03:21):
didn't think you could be elite with Steph Curry because
physically his body wouldn't stand up. Monte Ellis was traded
for Andrew Boget. That changed along with Steve Kirby being
their head coach. That changed the Warriors forever. But what
I told people and I know to be true and
it's come out as fact, was the Warriors wanted Andrew Boget.
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They knew they needed a center, and they told the Bucks,
you can have Montalis or Steph Curry, you pick and
they chose Montalis, which again it's not just the Bucks
choosing poorly, it's the Warriors not valuing Steph Curry above
that of Montalis. These are real things that happen. So
(04:08):
when we go back and we say, hey, the Dallas
Mavericks undervalued Luka Doncik. You may be right, But now
when I think of it, it appears obvious that Nico
Harrison said, Okay, if I'm going to trade one of
the top five players in the NBA, well then I
(04:29):
got to get a top five player back. And he
viewed Anthony Davis as a top five player, as with
Anthony Edwards, as with Giannis and Tennecoupo. The only guy
he didn't call was probably Philadelphia, because are you really
gonna trade for Joel Embiid? You might have gotten it,
but Joel Embiid, I mean, he's the only one to
hurt more than all those guys combined. And if you
(04:50):
want draft picks, the two teams with draft picks are
San Antonio. I mean, they're not trading Victor Webbin Yama
for Luca Nordin any of those draft picks, and Oklahoma
City all in the same division, like, that's not happening.
Who else are you gonna call? Who else are you
gonna ask for? So the point is that it's it's fair.
(05:12):
If you think this was the worst trade ever, you
might be right. I would have held on to Luca.
I do think there's a way in which you could
have from here until the end of the season tweaked him.
You could have You could have met with him, which
I'm sure they did. You could have had stories out
there about your frustrations about his weight, your concerns about
signing to a three hundred fifty million dollars contract, and
(05:33):
then had this bidding sweepstakes in the off season. Could
have done all those things. But for whatever reason, they
chose to do it. Now I disagree with that, But
I don't know the day to day of dealing with Luca,
and neither do you. But everywhere you go now in Dallas,
happened at SMU at their basketball game last night where
Nico Harrison was in attendance, happens at all the Maverick games,
Fire and Nico, Fire and Nico. The fact is that
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if Luca was viewed as he is being poor trade
by the Lakers and by Mavericks fans, Then why wouldn't
Milwaukee make that make that deal? Why would the Timberwolves
make that deal? Or did they think the Mavericks probably
know a little bit more about this guy. He's probably
(06:17):
a colossal pain in the torkus, and he won't stay
in shape, and he loves the drink beer in the
off season. He loves the drink wine in the off season,
and he wants a three hundred fifty million dollars contract
and they don't want give it to him. And Nico said,
I'm only going to trade him for a top five player.
And oh yeah, by the way, we can make fun
of Anthony Davis being injured, and of course he's injured again.
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But Anthony Davis is an incredible player, and he is
a top five player. Maybe that's my biggest takeaway from
this trade is the massive undervaluing Is that that sounds
like a terrible English sentence, but whatever, we have massively
undervalued that of Anthony Davis. Or maybe we're just super
cautious because he seemed to always be hurt and now
(06:59):
he's heard again. But I'll offer up a maya copa.
I thought he just traded him to Rob Polinka because
they're boys going back to the Kobe days, and didn't
call anybody else. Apparently he did his due diligence and
called those two other teams with two other superstars, the
only two other places you could have sent him and
gotten a top five ish player in return. And they
(07:20):
said no. The Laker said yes, and now he's a Laker.
And now he's a Laker because I spent the morning
thinking about teams. Could you do the Clippers? Like no,
I mean again, between Joel Embiid and Kawhi Leonard, Like
those two guys are a mass unit of injuries and
that's not happening. You know, Golden State. You're not gonna
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get Steph Curry back in return? Like that's that doesn't
Steph Curry doesn't make the Mavericks better. Makes some fun,
but not better. Hey and Kyrie on the same team.
We'll go around the NBA and tell me somebody who
is an elite player, a top five top tennis player
who you would trade for, And the answers would be
Embiid when he's healthy, Jannis ant Man, Anthony Davis, I'm
(08:13):
Kevin Durant No, too old, right, You're not going to
trade a twenty five year old star for a thirty
five year old star. That's not happening either. So I
actually think he did his due diligence. Still probably didn't
get enough, but again we don't know the market. At
the end of the day, Polinka does come out looking great.
But also Polinka probably knew because they all talk to
(08:34):
each other like he's only coming to me because he
has I'm gonna make him negotiate against himself. So was
his If the plan was to trade Luca, that's what
he wanted to do, and he only wanted to do
it to get a top five player return. He accomplished
that goal. Did he get enough in my opinion, No,
but some of that is probably the timing by which
(08:55):
he did it. And I look around the country and
I see all these fire Nico and all the continued
discussions of it. And I love Luca, But if you said, hey,
Luca is not in quality shape, no one's going to
disagree with you. Luca doesn't play defense, no one's going
to disagree with you. And if Nico Harrison is a
(09:18):
complete clown and doesn't know what he's doing, why they
reached the NBA finals last year, and a lot of
it was on the moves that he had made. Gafford
Lively the Kyrie trade. When they made the Kyrie trade,
they're like, I don't know they re signed Kyrie. Now, Yes,
Mark Cuban was running the team at the time, but Nico.
(09:40):
Nico didn't just get the job five days ago. Not
what happened. And if you're going to be critical of Nico,
that's fine. You probably also if the Bucks don't win
a championship, be critical of the Bucks. If they lose Giannis,
and if the Timberwolves still don't get to even get
to the Western Conference Finals or don't win the NBA Championship,
need to be critical of them as well. Just like
(10:01):
when Steph Curry wasn't traded to the Bucks, you gotta
doll to be critical of the Bucks for not trading
for him instead taking Monte Ellis, and for the Warriors
for making them available via trade. Right, there's the mental
gymnastics for you.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
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Just type in Fox Sports Radio on YouTube. Check out
our our YouTube channel. Right. So what you'll see is
sometimes in the background, like this is my sports basement.
I got TV's up and I got to you know,
all the things, and right on Green Bay. And then
at times we'll do it from my basketball office and
that's when we have the Green Bay stuff in the
background or whatever. The squeaking that you hear, yes, it
(11:09):
is Vince Lombardi, my dog. And I don't know why
he chooses to do this, but I, you know, again,
effort to not be distracted doing the radio show. I
come down here, he comes down here, and I don't know, Sam,
are you a dog guy? Do you have a dog?
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (11:25):
Yeah, I am a dog guy, and yes, yes, I
love dogs. And I heard that during the break and
I was like, oh, he's a no.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
And it's always an inopportunity moment. So he has my guy,
so Vince Lombardi, we call him BARTI is eight months
old and he has I don't know, I think it's
like ten toys and a bunch of them are animals,
like stuffed animals. Right. So he has duck, he has
that's lama that you're hearing. He has chicken, he has
(11:54):
a raccoon, he has squirrel, he has fox. Yeah, well
it might be an outpacka I gotta see. If you're
watching our YouTube channel, you can see it. It is
a sad looking outpack or whatever. But what's interesting about
it is, even though they all have squeakers in him,
he only does the squeaker thing with with the with
(12:17):
the lama. When he has duck. He carries duck around
and then he'll take duck onto like a chair and
chew on duck and it actually makes like a duck
call type of sound. With chicken, chickens bigger, and he
just kind of flops around and almost like hugs chicken.
And then he likes to lay and chew on squirrel.
And it's an interesting thing. So don't blame me or
(12:40):
blame Bartie, blame lama, Okay, Lama is the cause of
these problems.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
That's that's adorable, Doug. And it's it's like it's he's
everyone follows a routine every day, or most people do,
or a rhythm, and it's like he wants to squeak
that Lama when you're on the air and he follow
you around. Yes, you know, in a couple hours from now,
he won't do it. And it's like it's it's like
when you wake up, you got to make your coffee.
Everyone has routine. He's like, I got to squeak between
the hours of such and such.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yes, yes, and again it's because I'm coaching basketball the
whole rest of the day, right, so this is a
little bit of our time together. He'll go out and
play in the snow for an hour hour, forty five minutes,
come in with clumps of snow. But it inevitably when
I'm doing the show from here, he finds Lama and
make sure that Lama gets a little radio time here
(13:27):
on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, Kevin Duran scored his thirty
thousandth point last night in the NBA and took him
six less games than Lebron James. You know, we can
talk about the three point shot or whatever. Obviously part
of the reason that you're like, wait, why did it
take him fewer games when he's older than when Lebron
(13:48):
did it? Lebron came right out of high school plus KD.
You remember he missed I think it was fifty one
games one year and then missed it with the thunder.
He missed the entire season when he tours Kille's ten
in with the Golden State Warriors, and then he went
to the Brooklyn Nets and didn't play for a year.
So that's why in terms of year span it taken
him longer, but games actually shorter than Lebron. So when
(14:10):
we everybody says like, what do you put on your tombstone?
What do you put in your tombstone? By the way,
quick shout out to whoever came up with the remember
the tombstone pizzas hell?
Speaker 5 (14:24):
Yeah, I love tombstone, right.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
And they used to have that ad campaign, what do
you put on your tombstone? It's like Pepperoni, was it?
Speaker 5 (14:32):
What do you want on your tombstone?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Is it? What do you want your potential?
Speaker 4 (14:34):
A week?
Speaker 5 (14:35):
Close enough? We got the idea, Yeah, all right, everybody,
the idea I go supreme first one when you're done. Really, Yeah,
I love supreme pizzas. I love supreme frozen pizzas.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Man, I can't do I kid. We got a company
called Epic out here that makes great frozen pizzas. And
I don't know if people I didn't know this until
moving to Wisconsin, but apparently the frozen pizza on the
grill outside in the summer is the thing. Yeah, and
you also do it in the winter when you're like
ice fishing. You get the little thing and then you
could your frozen Pete's out there. I still do it now.
I do it in my flat top.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
You can use like a green Egg too. People do that.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
Yeah, the green Egg did not make the trip my
green Egg rip to my green Egg anyway. So what
what what's interesting when you obviously when you die, you
have your tombstone, So in your sports tombstone. Actually, let
me ask you this, Jay stew on your radio tombstone.
(15:27):
When you hang down, when you turn off the put
down the headset. You've been doing this twenty five years
and you're done. I've been doing this, you know, from
Jim Rome show to my show to every show in between.
What do you want them to say about you.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
I want to steal from what Monsey Bolonnios once said
about me. If I find this to be a compliment,
I'm difficult to please. If you do please me, then
you are You've done. You've done a pretty good job
on radio. And I also want this on a tombstone.
I don't know if this has to do with radio
or just in general, big tombstone. I spent my life
searching for the opposite of BS.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
So that's not the truth. It's just the opposite of BS.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
Whatever the opposite of B S is I'm searching for.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
Okay, MANSI, what do you want on your tomb your
your radio tombstone. You're you're the youngest of the group,
so you're gonna die, and you're a woman, so you're
gonna die a lot longer. We're talking about your your
radio tombstone.
Speaker 6 (16:21):
When you want to say, yeah, you're putting me on
the spot on a question that I didn't know you
were going to ask me. So in reality, I have
no idea what I would want on my tombstone.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
But I have no idea what I would want on
my tombstone.
Speaker 5 (16:33):
That's it, period.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
Hashtag come on man.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
You guys put me on the spot here. I really well,
listen if you're if if you stop, we're gonna have
to We're gonna have to design your own tombstone.
Speaker 5 (16:48):
This is the thing. You don't think too hard. You
think just like, what do you want people remember me
by it in the business.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
Yeah, there we go, just.
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Quotation mark.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I thought she was a cool chick with a great
laugh there. Yeah, yeah, cool chick, great laugh. Yeah, Sam,
I mean you want to talk about we're all kind
of concerned that this may be a lengthy statement on
the tombstone. Okay, here you may, but but Sammy, what
do you want on your sports ate?
Speaker 5 (17:23):
It came to me instantly on this so with the
with being a technical producer on the drops, I just
wanted to say, the quickest draw in.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
The West, the quickest draw in the West.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
Get those drops out?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Pause, I said, pause, pause.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Quickest drop us drawing the West. Well, the quickest drop
in the West. Whatever you want. It's kind of like
it's kind of a western to uh.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
On Kevin Durant's tombstone, I would say, uh, there's never
been a never been a bucket. He couldn't get nice,
never been a bucket gat like I think Kevin Rant
an unbelievable scorer. I mean some people would say, like
the George Gervin Iceman. The difference was and full disclosure,
(18:07):
I never saw the Iceban play live like this is
all from my dad. But the Iceban wasn't known as
a winning player. I think Kevin Rant what happens oftentimes,
as we say one of the greatest, if not the greatest,
modern day score is, we're not saying he's a winner.
I think Kevin Rant did have you the reputation of
being an all time great scorer, not a winner. And
obviously Golden State changed that should have changed that, but
(18:30):
it didn't for so many people because he joined the Warriors. Well,
let's recommend Mark Stein because he's been covering basketballs as
long as I have, and he joins us here. Of course,
you can read his sub stack anytime you want. Mark
Stein joins this plus he co is a podcast called
This League Gun Cut with fellow insider Chris Haynes. You
(18:51):
can find it where you find your podcast. Kevin Rant's
sport basketball tombstone should read.
Speaker 7 (18:57):
What HM look man, he is. I think what you
said first as a score you know the oversimplification, and
you know where I live, and you know whose career.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
You know, I.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
Probably covered Dirk Noviski's career closer than any player I've
ever covered, And you know, the oversimplification of it always
was Evan Durant is Dirk Navisky within sane athleticism. I
mean you could imagine, you know, if Dirk had some
of the stuff that that Kevin Durant have. Kevin Durant
(19:32):
took it to another level, and that's He's not a
winning fight. He's not a winning player. Like people really
think that I covered those two finals that the Warriors
won with him. I mean, he was the difference.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Listen Steiny, I agree with you. I do think though
that when people like when people label you as a
score in basketball, oftentimes what that's tell it the the
under current is they' not a winner, right, not a
winning player. He just wants to score. Right. That was
George Gervin, That was There's other guys like that, right
(20:10):
that was. I think, Look, Dominique Wilkins.
Speaker 7 (20:14):
People used to say that about Dominique, which I think
was very unfair to Dominique Wilkins because you know what,
Dominique wilkins biggest problem was they ran into Boston Celtics
every year, like that was his problem. Like yeah, but
you know, I look, you know, Kevin Durant is not
gonna you know, win assist titles or you know, here's
(20:36):
another thing.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
I mean.
Speaker 7 (20:36):
And I still, you know, I've ever obviously covered Durant
a lot. I still remember the game as a Brooklyn
Net when he decided one night that he was going
to full court press Luca. I don't know that I've
ever seen anyone guard Luca as impressively as Kevin Durant
did that night. Like he has a ridiculous array of
(20:59):
basketball And I just think, like, because people, because he
brawls with fans on Twitter, is that what is detracting
from his legacy? It should not. Man, this guy is
he is one of you know, I don't have my
top ten rankings up. He's one of the fifteen best
players we've ever seen, you know, whatever the rankings are.
(21:20):
You know, I need more time than to just do
it off the cup on a radio show. But come on,
and this guy is sensational.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
I listen, I agree with you. On the NBA five,
I thought he went you know again, I don't know
Kevin Durant well enough to go like, hey, is this
what really happened? But I believe that the obviously, and
he's talked about a little bit. The reason for leaving
Oklahoma City was when they played the Warriors and they
lost after having the three games to one lead. He
was basically playing, you know, one on two every time
(21:49):
he got the ball, and he wanted the space to
show he was the best player in the world. And
then you get to two NBA finals against Lebron James,
and he was better than Lebron in the finals they
guard each other. He was better in the second half
of all those games. And I think he thought the
world would wrap their arms around him and say you're
now the best player in basketball, and it didn't happen,
(22:09):
and it probably turned him forever bidder.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
I mean, look, I try not to get in Kevin said,
because he'll you know, if you try to read him
and you read it wrong, he's gonna come out and
say you've read me wrong. So like, I don't want
to act like I know his precise thinking. But to me,
I think he joined the Warriors for the same reason
he left the Warriors at both of those times in
(22:35):
his life, he really wanted to try something different and
try something new, and that is his personality, you know,
you know, you know, unlike jrk. Naviski, who wanted to
spend one you know, he wanted to spend his whole
career in one place with one team. So Kevin Durant
didn't have that approach. He wanted to try something different.
(22:56):
We've seen him do it multiple times. And a big
reason why he didn't just get traded last week is
because he doesn't want to leave the Phoenix Suns. He
wanted to be in Phoenix. He wanted to make this
work and isn't ready to go and turn down the
chance to go back to the Warriors a second time.
But like, you know, look, everybody has their own opinion.
(23:19):
Everybody's entitled to their own opinion. But I would just say,
you know, there's probably too much focus on you know, Twitter,
beafs with fans or whatever, instead of looking at like
what the player does. I mean, he just went the
number what eight is it in scoring? I mean he's
one of the only eight guys to hit thirty thousand points.
(23:40):
And yeah, to just say he's a scorer is not
enough it's.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Just not enough. Stut Gottlief Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
Mark Stein joins us and if you if you want
to read about the NBA just he's longtime NBA reporter
and insider. He publishes a sub that called the Steinline.
Check it out. It's phenomenal. Okay, when did you know
about the Luca deal.
Speaker 7 (24:07):
Same time as everybody else?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Is it possible like you're mister Maverick.
Speaker 7 (24:12):
Because well, what I would tell you is, these are
not the same Dallas Mavericks as they once were. There's
been a lot of change, and you know, they really
did keep it. I mean, you know that Lebron James
and Anthony Davis and Luka Doncic didn't know either, right.
If Luka Doncic doesn't know, I'm not going to know.
I mean, you know, Luka Doncic did not know he
(24:34):
was getting traded until, you know, twenty odd minutes before
it came out. They you know, this was Nico Harrison's show,
and Nico Harrison and Rob Palinka and the respective owners.
I mean, that's that's that's as far as the circle
got until the night of the trade. And I know
(24:54):
nobody wants to believe that because when anything of note
happens anymore, every but he wants to launch into seventeen
conspiracy theories about this is what really happens. But I mean, look,
I'm reporting on this every day. I'm learning new things
every day. I'm going to keep reporting on it every day,
and who knows, in two weeks, in a month, in
six months, maybe I'll have new information that I didn't have,
(25:17):
and I'll come back on and tell you you know,
I was wrong. I didn't know this. I didn't know that.
But based on everything that I have been told and
that I have been able to confirm in the eleven
twelve days since this happened, is it was kept that
closely in that that small of a circle. Again, Luka Doncic,
the principles in this trade did not know until shortly
(25:40):
before the news broke.
Speaker 2 (25:43):
So what about the calls to Milwaukee and Minnesota? Are
those accurately?
Speaker 7 (25:49):
Those have been look, those have been reported by other reporters.
I have not independently confirmed those, and I cannot tell you.
I cannot say that I know for sure that they happened.
Based on everything I've been told about this, the Lakers
were here on January seventh, I saw the Lakers. I
(26:09):
saw Rob Blinka hours after the first meeting between he,
he and Nico Harrison to start talking about this trade.
And obviously nobody knew that night except the two of them,
you know. So to me knowing what I do know
now is and I think this is coming. You know,
Rich Paul has said it. I've reported extensively on it.
(26:31):
I've written three long stories about this trade already, and
like I said, I'm gonna keep reporting and writing. Nico
Harrison has wanted Ad in Dallas pretty much since he
got to Dallas, and so knowing that AD was such
a prime target to me, like the Milwaukee and Minnesota talk,
it's that's where it doesn't add up, because.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
It's not just that.
Speaker 7 (26:55):
I mean, he he wanted to negotiate with the Lakers
and negotiate with Rob Polinka because of their relationship. That
was one place he was sure that it would stay quiet.
But it was also hugely driven by the fact that
Ad is the centerpiece he wanted back in a Luca
Dontis trade. So the hard part for me to believe
(27:17):
on the Milwaukee and Minnesota stuff is if they contacted
those teams how did that not leak sooner? Because that's
where you would have leaks if the Dallas Mavericks are
contract contacting team A, team B, team C. That's how
stuff gets around once you start contacting more teams. But again,
you know those are not my reports, and you know,
(27:40):
if I can independently confirm them, I will say that
I've heard the same, But to this point I haven't.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
I do think and obviously Nico Harrison probably agrees with
me that of all the things that have gone undervalued,
it's Anthony Davis is an unbelievable player. He's not Luca,
but he's a dominant player. The downside to Anthony Davis
is he's somebody who all many of the criticisms of
(28:11):
Luca in terms of taking care of his body and
always being injured. You could say about Anthony Davis up
until the last year and a half or so, and
then oh, yeah, by the way, now he's hurt already.
Speaker 7 (28:24):
That's one of the elements that has made this thing
so wild because I was there Saturday when they played Houston,
and I'm telling you, and you know I've been in
Dallas nearly thirty years now. I've watched a lot of
Mavericks basketball. He was a two way menace in that
first half against Houston, the likes of which the Mavericks
have never seen. I mean, he, especially in the first quarter,
(28:46):
I think, is the best I have ever seen in play.
I mean he literally touched every inch of the floor
and did every single thing that a basketball player can
do on the court. I mean, stop blocking, skying above
the rim for rebounds, ball handling, three pointer, dirk, one
legged fadeaway. There is nothing in basketball that Anthony Davis
(29:09):
did not do in the first half. I mean, he
has it all when he's at his peak, he literally
has it all. But like you said, I mean, he
showed up with his own injury history, and to immediately
sustain an injury was just I mean, I feel for
him because he didn't make this trade. He had nothing
to do with instigating this trade. He's come to Dallas,
(29:31):
he's tried to say all the right things and played
spectacularly in his debut, and to suffer an injury set
back like he already has and we still don't even
know the severity of it, it's a very rough situation
for him.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Steug gottlip Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of Mark Stein. Okay, so I've heard people say
even if the Mavericks win NBA Championship, it still won't
be enough. What do we do, come on, like how
long that? Look?
Speaker 7 (30:04):
I don't fully buy that, Like obviously, if this team
went on a playoff run. I mean, you know how
a city gets behind a team making a playoff run.
And I find it hard to believe that bab Fans,
especially after everything they've been through, wouldn't go nuts for
a team that was making that kind of run. But look,
(30:25):
for some im living here, I'm telling you, I genuinely
believe that for some because again, we also have to
factor in the Luca side of the equation. So the Mavericks,
the Mavericks, it's not just Luca, it's not just winning
a championship without Luca. Luca would have to fail to
get the Mavericks off the hook because you assume he's
(30:45):
gonna go to La and win multiple championships. The Lakers
have a new ten year runway that they did not
have two weeks ago today, like they the Lakers have
a future that they couldn't have dreamed does two weeks
ago today because of this guy, and you know I
have watched him obviously from very close range. You can
(31:08):
level any criticism you want about his fitness, his diet,
his conditioning, his comportment with referees, whatever you want. I
do not care, and I personally do not want to
hear it. At his worst, unfittest, angriest, whatever you want
to say. Luka, Doncic never wakes up as anything worse
(31:31):
than the third best player in the world. And at
twenty five years old, when he didn't want to trade,
when he didn't want to be here, you cannot trade
that player. And the Lakers know how lucky they are,
but they are. They are pinching themselves every hour of
every day because again, for whatever flaws you want to lift,
(31:53):
you put up with all of them. For a talent
like he is, you know he's a bit beyond special talent.
Speaker 2 (32:03):
Steiny are the best man. Love your work on substack again.
Long time NBA reporter and insider Mark Steiney Publics is
a substack. It's called the Steinline. I encourage you to
UH to read it, download it, and UH and share
it with your friends. Sonny, Thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Thanks Coach Talk so be sure to catch the live
edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm
Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Stug gott Leap Show, You're on Fox Sports Radio. Uh,
next time we get the Midway. I like this. I
like the I like the Midway. Danie Jeremiah's going to
join us as well. We'll we'll get his thoughts on
what happened to the Chiefs and how they just got evistrated,
how did Howie Roseman build this unbelievable roster, And we'll
get you ready for the NFL Draft, which, by the way,
(32:49):
is in the city that I live in call home,
Green Bay, Wisconsin. So we got a lot to get
to before you that sturn Over mons to Belanio some
play game months.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
This is game time on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 2 (33:07):
Hello them won't say what he got?
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Coach, Well, on this hump day, we.
Speaker 5 (33:11):
Are playing for better or worse?
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Right, So you, coach, are gonna tell me which one's better,
which one's worst, amongst a variety of topics. Okay, let's
start Kevin Durant or Dirk Nowitzki. So for better or worse?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
I think KD is better? Is better? I think KD
did did more all around. I think Dirk was a
great scorer, a great teammate, but not a great passer.
Now that is going to rebounder. I don't think as
KD now he's good a defensive player. But and I
think it's one of the reasons that so many of
the teams were eliminated earlier in the playoffs. Isna go,
(33:52):
I'm gonna go KD.
Speaker 6 (33:53):
Dirk's one of my favorite players of all time, But
I don't love.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Athleticism is very he is loving the guy right and
who he was, Yeah, and saying, Okay, who do I
want as a basketball player like Kevin Drant?
Speaker 6 (34:08):
I still I think my heart would take Dirk if
I was like drafting a team. Okay, I know that's
not the right answer, all.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
Right, it's what you want. I know I pay you,
but you're right.
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Like, the athleticism is very obvious that Durant was better
as an all around player. But man, Dirk one of
my favorites of all time.
Speaker 5 (34:22):
Okay, for better or for worse.
Speaker 6 (34:24):
The Cleveland Cavaliers who are forty three and ten or
OKC who are forty three and nine, that's a tough question.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
I know, Cleveland does have guys that have done it
more in the playoffs than Oklahoma City. Sure, and Okah
Masse did fall apart against Dallas in the playoffs last year.
But I think Oklahoma City and I don't. I don't
think it's actually that close. I think olom Say's roster
it's gotten better, so it's Cleveland's. But I'm gonna go Oklahoma.
Speaker 5 (34:57):
City, all right, Okay, but I'm with you.
Speaker 6 (34:59):
I'm with you, Okay. For better or worse, Auburn basketball
or Alabama basketball.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
Two of my favorites. Obviously he got down the planes,
Bruce Pearl and what they're able to do. Jeni Broom
could be the National Player of the Year, and obviously
he came off of this injury. Uh, better or worse?
For better or worse? For better worse? Well, Alabama has
has changed how they're playing dramatically, and it's fun. I'm
(35:28):
gonna I'm gonna go Alabama because they have reached the
final four more recently. That's the determining factor.
Speaker 5 (35:37):
For better or worse.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Kellen Moore or Brian Schottenheimer, who were Cowboys assistants, former
Cowboys assistants now first time head coaches.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I'm gonna go with Brian Schottenheimer.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Okay, the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
I'm gonna go with Brian Schottenheimer, you know.
Speaker 6 (35:57):
Because he's staying within the Dallas well I.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Mean, like, yeah, he doesn't have to implement a system whatever.
He has his quarterback, whereas Callimore, you know, he has
Derek Carr has to find quarterback. By the way, his
Boise team destroyed Fresno State, they actually played.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
I saw that college fifty five to seven or something.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Yes, that's interesting, But remember Shot he did a good
He's done a good job at times. I think he
was with the Jets, and he was with the using
the Seahawks for a while when they had Russell Wilson.
So I'm gonna I'm gonna go Brian shot Himer.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
All right, Okay, for better or worse, Washington's chances of
challenging the Eagles for the NFC East title or the
Cowboys chances next year of challenging.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
The Eagles, I think Washington's.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Washington's Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
Mean, look, Dan Quinn is an unbelievable defensive mind and
pretty good head coach. And then Cliff Kingsbury what he's
done on the offensive side, he didn't leave. They got consistency,
whereas I think the Eagles, you know, when you win
a Super Bowl, you're always gonna lose some guys. So I'm
gonna go, and they already lost their offense coordinator. Yeah,
so I'm gonna go. Uh, I'm gonna go.
Speaker 6 (37:02):
Commanders, commanders. Okay, all right, you don't think Jayden Daniel's
a sophomore slump is coming?
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Maybe?
Speaker 6 (37:09):
Maybe, but still you go with that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (37:11):
More, I mean, I think they were ahead of schedule
this year. The team, even if he takes a step back,
the team better.
Speaker 6 (37:19):
Yeah, makes sense? Okay, for better or worse? The Angels
with Anthony Rendon playing because he's having surgery again, or
the Angels without Anthony Rendon playing.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Well, he hasn't played since he's signed. That I know
he's played to it. Yeah, surgery, ye, surgery right when
pictures and catchers are reporting. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (37:40):
No, he doesn't want to play.
Speaker 2 (37:42):
No, obviously, he doesn't want to play. He's the worst,
the worst, the worst worst. Take good news is got
Kenley Jansen about five years after he was really really good.
Speaker 6 (37:54):
Yeah, he's He's played two hundred and five games and
has missed four hundred and thirty.
Speaker 2 (38:00):
Eight has missed the play check. He has not missed.
Speaker 6 (38:03):
That must be nice. Twelve stints on the injured list
since the start of the twenty twenty one season.
Speaker 5 (38:10):
Is Anaheim where we say we're, uh, put him out
to pasture? Is that like the or we're sending him
to the farm to live out the rest of their life?
Speaker 6 (38:17):
Oh my gosh, that should be the expression.
Speaker 5 (38:20):
We're sending Anaheim is yeah, sending him out to pasture, send.
Speaker 6 (38:23):
Him out to Oh now, okay, quick one for better
or for worse? Justin Verlander, Max Suers or some of
the oldest, oldest pictures this season.
Speaker 2 (38:32):
Uh, I'm gonna go Verlander Verlander.
Speaker 6 (38:37):
Nice.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
Yeah, I think I actually would too. All Right, that's
game time.
Speaker 3 (38:44):
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Speaker 2 (38:47):
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