April 24, 2023 • 36 mins
Doug explains why Russell Westbrook is not the player that he has been made out to be during his recent playoff performance. Doug reacts in real time to the breaking news that the Jets and Packers have made the trade for Aaron Rodgers official. FSR NBA Insider Ric Bucher joins Doug to talk about what happened in the exciting NBA Playoff weekend. Doug further expounds on his thoughts about the breaking news of the day: Aaron Rodgers trade to the Jets being made official.
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(00:47):
Stewart like he can. He can twist the knife on anybody.
Your last tweet, Jason, would you like to read it
on air?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Let's see my last tweet? I think it would sound
better if Monsei reads it because she's she liked it,
but uh, let me see I like.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I like it as well.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
But I just don't see any open expression that you
liked it, because I don't see a like from you
or a share.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I saw it, dude, Okay, Okay, so I can, I
can like it right now, okay, But I also I
don't actually agree with it, but I want I want
to know where the energy comes from.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Okay, mondays are like the red hot chili peppers. They
just suck.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Why do you hate the chili peppers so much?
Speaker 5 (01:34):
So?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
What is the the What is the term that you
use when a song gets stuck in your ear? What
is the ear worm? Worm?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Ear worm?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
So they have earworms, and but for the wrong reasons,
Like if like try this, if you hear give it
away at seven am in the morning.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
What I gotta got to give it to give.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Seven o'clock at night? Twelve hours later, you're gonna be
still be singing it. And that song is dreadfully awful.
So they give you earworms for the reason.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Why is it dreadfully awful?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
That's a horrible song, and I don't want it in
my head.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
No tell me why it's a horrible song.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I don't know whether it's I don't have to be
able to articulate things more than.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Whatever it makes I did go. Whatever makes like a
song annoying, the lyrics, the repetition, the I don't know,
and it's just something about the way Anthony Keita sings
that is like a fingernails on a chalkboard for me.
So again, this is all very subjective. Yes, this is
(02:44):
all very subjective. Music is subjective. You don't you don't
have to agree with me.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Red Hot Chili betpers have sold seventy seven million records. Yeah,
They've been streamed on Spotify approximately eleven point two billion times.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, and I don't like them, just like I don't
like pro wrestling. You can give me similar numbers where
a bill.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I don't like pro wrestling because it's I mean, it's
so over the top cheesy, right, and it's It's also
the problem with pro wrestling is.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I don't feel like here.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I I don't enjoy the idea that I had to
have watched. Like I don't know anything about Roman reigns.
I don't know any of these storylines. Like I'm a
I like my TV shows in like Law and Order.
Where is there some background stuff on different you know, detectives? Sure,
but really if I watch one episode, it stands on
(03:45):
its on its own, and WWE, I feel like one
I've never you know, for like twenty years of my
dad's of probably thirty years, the last thirty years of
my dad's life. Like trying to express to him that
it's not real. It's was was tiresome. And then people
like to cover it like it's a real thing, and
(04:06):
then you're like, no, it's not. And then I don't
actually know any of the storylines because I didn't previously
like it. It's an incredible business that they do, and I
just I don't. It's one of those Hey, God, bless
you love that you like it, but not.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
My thing is that that's where you are red hot chili.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
No, no, no. My point is just because a lot of
people like it doesn't make it good. I mean, you
have the right to like the Red Hot Chili peppers.
But I also.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Said it gets in your head.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Give it a when Now, Oh he's gonna in the
middle of the night, I'm gonna get a text from
Jay stew.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I got it in my ear. Isn't that the idea
of music? Like? Is it catchy? Yes? Is it memorable? Yes?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
They kind of got their own little thing. They've been
able to survive through like four decades. Is it too
mainstream for you?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Is that it?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Do you like indie records?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
No, it's just not good music. That's all. I could
say that I dislike their music. But just because a
lot of people see it or hear it or choose
to listen to it, doesn't mean it's good. That just
means you have bad taste. That's the only thing.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Also, so there's there's there. I think lies the problem.
It's you.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
You want, you want me to believe or you at
which I do. Actually, hey, I don't have to like
what you like. You're right, But you also don't have
to tell me that I'm an idiot because I like whatever.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
No, No, I would never call him an idiot.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
You just to taste. Oh, I have terrible taste.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Sorry, two different things.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, well, but people with terrible tastes are generally idiots.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
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code is Draft. So Russell West had a good couple
of games with the LA Clippers. Monci That is that fair?
(06:03):
Is that accurate.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
You're a Clipper from.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
He is delivered.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
He's delivered.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
He has delivered, especially in the playoffs. We would not
have one game one if it wasn't for his defensive
battle in the last.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
But you would have been behind in game one if
now for the fact he was three of nineteen.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Maybe not, but I mean that's that's Westbrook, you know
what I mean like that, that's not surprising. So I
think it was. I have more value on what he
did defensively the last three minutes than wanting to, you know, critique.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
He also turned the ball. He also threw the ball
in the stands after a time.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
I mean there were and even in Game three he
had some some costly turnovers when we're right in there
and just you know, brain farts to where he throws
the ball. I agree with you on that. But we
would not have one game one if it wasn't for him.
And that's a fact.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Okay. So here's Chris Paul and Kevin Durant after Game four.
Remember they're up three games to one, and the Clippers,
you know, haven't had Kawhi Leonard, haven't had Paul George
the entire series, having at Kawhison's game too. Here's Kad
(07:08):
and Chris Paul on Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
People going to always criticize when you successful and you know,
doing your thing for this long, you know, somebody can
always find something that they don't like about you. But
Russ has been resilient in his whole life. He come
to work, don't say much, just come hoop. So you
know when he's retired, people going to really tell the
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truth about how they feel about his game. Right now
is the fun thing to do is to make a
choke out of rust. But he you know, the way
he's been playing is since he got with the Clippers,
showed everybody who he really is.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
I like the only people to do that too is
the people who don't know basketball fact, you know what
I'm saying, and don't know what it's like to compete.
I know, for me, Russ is one of my closest friends,
you know what I'm saying. And so people to do
that and talk crazy probably wish they could be in
that situation.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Okay, I would offer up that he shot the ball
better since being a member of the Clippers, right, but
it's a smaller sample size. In twenty one games forty
nine percent, as opposed to he was forty one point
seven percent with the Lakers this year, forty four the
year before. He's basically been low forties with exception of
(08:20):
the Houston year and below thirty from three again until
the Clippers, where he's he's regained his confidence.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
But like, let's not get it twisted.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
They won any of those games, and it's a small
sample size, so there's a lot to unpack there. I
would agree that that there are a lot of people
who talk about Westbrook that don't know anything about basketball.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Agree with that. There are plenty of people.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
In basketball that are like, yeah, you know, the whole
he plays hard all the time isn't actually accurate, and
may be more accurate now. But they're with the Lakers,
with the Wizards, with the Rockets, with the Thunder, there
were massive gaps in his defense. He hadn't he'd gotten
worse as a shooter, and he struggled to get along
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with people. So maybe it's about fit, Maybe it's about
regaining his confidence. Maybe it's because they had no one
else to turn to, and you know, once they had
no one else to turn to. Now he played well,
that's the only role he could play, which actually kind
of proves the point of what I've at.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Least been saying.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Look, he's shooting the ball better than he had previously,
but he's still not shooting free throws well. He's still
not a good percentage why he's finisher, and he's playing
a harder or a higher percent of the time. But the
problem with Russ is can he play well when he's
not the number one option? Can he be statistically super
effective consistently when he's not the number one option?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And can?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
And if he's the number one option, you can't actually
win games or maybe even win enough to get to
the playoffs or winning the playoffs with them as the
number one option. It's like, yeah, you can score, lots
of dudes can go in and score, and maybe he's
more effect but does it actually win you games? And again,
and I'll be the fair one here, I don't think
anybody's winning, you know, in Russ's position, based upon being
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the third most lauded star currently on the roster. You
take the top two guys off of any team in
the playoffs, they're not winning. But if we're if we
all have it wrong, and only you know, Chris Paul
and KD and the and the defenders have it right, then,
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I mean, what's the purpose of keeping finals score right?
That's the real question. I mean the same could be
said for Miles Bridges. Like is Miles Bridge is a
better scorer than we thought? Yeah, but it's not like
him being the best player means the NETS can win
games with him scoring twenty to twenty.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Five a game.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Right, His best role is as the third or four
best offensive player, and then all the other things he
does becomes even greater for USS. He doesn't seem like
he can function without being the best guy on his
team on the court, and you also can't win legit
games with him in that position.
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Speaking of the draft, deadlines bring deals, and it appears
there is a deal in place in Jersey and in
Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Let's get to Mansi Belanos with an.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Update breaking news from Fox Sports.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Doug we manifested it with game time, but it is official.
Aaron Rodgers is a Jet. What do the Jets get?
They get Aaron Rodgers pick number fifteen, a twenty twenty
three fifth round pick, which is the overall one hundred
and seventieth pick. The Packers get pick number thirteen, a
twenty twenty three second round pick, which is forty two overall,
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a sixth round pick two hundred and seven overall, a
conditional twenty twenty four second round pick that becomes the
first if Roger plays sixty five percent of the plays,
so it's a visual.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
This year this year? Yes, okay, so they.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Know the condition was in twenty twenty four, but oh yes,
if you play sixty five percent of plays this this year, yes, oh,
so you get.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
The thirteenth pick.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
This year, they get a first round pick, m the
forty second pick, so first and a second and a
third and if he plays sixty five send the snaps.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
This year, they get a first next year.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
A conditional twenty to four second round pick. If he
plays sixty five percent of the player that.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Can become a first. Okay, thank you, monsie. First thoughts are,
I don't hate to say I.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Told you so.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I told you so, right, And it appears so that
the pay the Packers are going to eat because it
doesn't say anything about any sort of adjustment to his contract.
So the Packers are going to eat all that dead
cap money. But you remember when there was the well
they want two first round picks, they can't get two
first round picks, and the yeah, they got a first,
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a second, a third, and a second that's likely to
become a first, And you're like, well, how do you
know it's gonna become a first? Aaron Rodgers playing sixty
five percent the snaps has happened every year except for
one that he's been a or more one that he's
been a starting quarterback. So and now for the Jets,
obviously they get a great player and he's fully aligned
(14:01):
with the play caller. And I thought, but I actually
think the Packers did really well, did really well, stood
firm enough, create enough buzz, you know, created a little
bit of a leverage there with the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
What do I expect from Jordan Love? I don't know, man.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I have people who think because he played well in
mop up duty at the end of the Philadelphia game
that somehow now he's going to be the next Aaron Rodgers.
I just don't know. I don't know enough. I know
his personal story has won to champion. I know he
sat there, hasn't said anything, hast that bad body language.
He's been ready. But at the end of the day,
it's can you play? And you're replacing an absolute legend,
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and the Packers and Brian gook like this is going
to be his legacy, not just trading Aaron Rodgers, but
your evaluation of Jordan Love as being the guy to
replace a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
You gotta nail this one.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I do think that they did a good enough job
creating a true narrative and this is not a false
narrative that we did all we could to get him,
all we could to get him and to keep him,
and he didn't want to be here, So what do
you want to do? And considering he didn't want to
be there, they did the best they could, and they
did pretty well, right, first, second, third, and another second
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that's likely to become a first.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
So two first, a second and a third. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
That's pretty good trade, pretty good trade the Jets. That
thing just got interesting right to people. The fact that
he's followed Brett Favre in Green Bay and now he's
following Brett Farr's path to the Jets is to say
ironic is the is an easy one? But man, is
(15:47):
that weird. It's a guy who wanted to distance himself
from Farv in so many different ways, and like though
he has a rocket arm, he's the opposite of Farv
in terms of being a chance. Let's take her right,
Farvard try and throw that ball into a tiny little window.
Didn't care, just read it and rip it. Whereas Aaron
Rodgers is the picture of efficiency. So he's tried to
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separate himself in so many ways from Farv and now
that kind of he goes is he going to the Vikings?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Next? Huge news?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
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Speaker 3 (16:35):
He's the one and only Rick Buker. Buke Boy. There's
a lot to get to, y Can I actually start
in Atlanta?
Speaker 5 (16:46):
It's your show, Doug. I'm just here living in your.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Oh stop it, stop it. Anyway, last night as the
as the Hawks end up losing and end up losing
to the Celtics. So there's gonna be one more game
played this year because they did win Game three, so
it's a gentleman sweep.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Which is coming right.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
But as much as as Trey Young has become everyone's
talking about Trey Young, will they trade Trey Young?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Can you win with Trey Young?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
He is thirty five and fifteen and Dejontay Murray goes
and steps up and clearly let it be known he
was not happy with the officiating, but did so in
a way in which he's got to be suspended, Like,
what is the energy behind that?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
That is not a good look.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Well, it's one of the reasons this is always the
cautionary tale when the San Antonio Spurs move on from
a young talent you should pay attention to why they're
moving on. I don't know how many guys have left
the Spurs and gone someplace else. Obviously Kawhi went to
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Baran Know and won a championship, but you can you
can look at at everything that's in the totality and
what's happened with Kawhi and question whether that's a good investment.
Same thing with Deconte in moving on and we've heard, Look,
there's things generally don't get out in San Antonio, but
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there was enough rumblings about the lack of maturity and
some of the things that he said after leaving that
raised some eyebrows. So it's just kind of who he is.
Is he a great talent, very extremely talented. But I
get where you're coming from in terms of if you're
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going to keep one or the other or you're going
to look at who's the real problem. Look, I don't
think you can build around Trey Young for where they
want to go. But I also don't believe that Dejonta
Murray is is you're going to build around him either,
you're going that's what they're really missing. They have a
(19:01):
lot of different pieces that are talented, But I don't
you could tell me, like who's at your core? Who
do you look at and say this is a must
have piece in building a title contending team. I don't
think the Hawks have it.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Tend to tend to agree with you.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
And the officiating part piece of it is, you know,
it's like there's there's always been an element of complaining,
but we get where we get to a point where
you're like, all right, you're making it impossible for guys
to do their job. On the other hand, then you
have the officiating component with Dylan Brooks, and I don't
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know how you feel about it, and I've had people
disagree with me, but I can't imagine a scenario where
he was going for a nutshot there trying to steal
a steal a basketball when Lebron goes behind his back,
there's a lot, there's a go ahead.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Yeah, no, I mean, look, he's reaching for the ball.
It's and we can debate whether you know Harden harden
shot was what was it? Royce O'Neil, I think he
got I think in both cases both guys played played
(20:20):
up the hit. I thought Rose O'Neil played up the hit.
I'm not even sure that he I thought he got
hit in the lower abdomen. That was a little high
for a nut shot. Sure, I think Lebron stayed down
until he knew that that you know.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
He knew what he was doing.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Like, the longer I stay down, the Dylan is already
the villain, the more this is gonna look like Dylan
escalated it. I just didn't see that. And and I
take issue kind of with both Harden's defense that it
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was a basketball move. I kind of I agree with that,
and I think that that Dylan's was too. I just
we've become the referees have run into this situation, this
predicament now where they're adjudicating intent. I always got the
(21:20):
impression that no matter what it looked like, that they
weren't supposed to they weren't supposed to adjudicate that. And
if it was a dangerous play, it's a dangerous play.
But in both of these cases, I just I thought
it was a massive overreaction. Now, all that said, Dylan
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and the Grizzlies not being aware that this was the
first home playoff game in ten years where the Lakers
were able to have a full arena and not anticipating
that that crowd was going to be bloodthirsty as is,
and now you're only going to add to it by
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playing the bad guy coming in. Was just it was
just not smart. And then they did nothing to try
to camp down the emotions the way the game started,
they got caught up playing as fast and frenetic as
as the Lakers were. So I don't have any sympathy
for Dylan, But if you're asking me, do I think
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that it was an appropriate call in terms of ejecting him?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
No, I do not. I tend to agree with you.
John did get a going, you know.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
No, I'm sorry, I'm I thought. Okay, So why, like,
what was the point of that?
Speaker 3 (22:46):
What was the point of Job getting it going?
Speaker 5 (22:48):
What was the point of Job making a one man
assault in the fourth quarter of a game where for me,
what they really needed to figure out is Job coming back.
How are they going to how are they going to
integrate Jaw and everybody else, How are they going to
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get everybody else going? How are they going to play
a composed game?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Well?
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Okay, so so so listen, that's that's fair.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
But listen, let me, let me let me give you
a perspective, because I was I was there so, and
it's that's not a humble brag. It's more when you're
watching on TV, you can flip over or get distracted
and miss some stuff. I thought one of the issues
was in the first quarter, Like you said, they were
too playing to for Neetic, but he was clearly trying
to be Tias Jones and get everybody involved, right, and
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those other guys, especially Dylan Brooks, he kept firing and
missing right, and and I felt like he was really
the only guy who was up to the challenge offensively
of maintaining some level of composure, and Dylan Brooks was not,
and he didn't get a And what change was in
the fourth quarter. They played him Tias Jones together to
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start the fourth quarter, and that that changed their matchups.
The Lakers don't match up well against small ball, right,
I mean, obviously not having Brandon Clark changes them dramatically.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
And I think he just kind of got to go.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Like, look, he's he was attacking all night, but he
starts hitting jump shots and now he be kind of
becomes unguardable the game. Actually, there was a part part
in the third quarter where it got to thirteen and
it was a little in doubt, and they didn't box out,
and you know, they kept cutting it and feeling like
it was going to be a game. They could never
get it under ten in the third quarter. But I
(24:35):
did think they found some things. So to answer your
question of why was it, I don't think their intent
was to play him that much, but just to get
him going. But now he had a role and you're like,
all right, let's play it out and and it got
a little dicey there for the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Yeah, no, no, no, without question, I mean looks and it
was more third quarter, actually fourth quarter. The Lakers looked
a little uneasy about how they came back at him.
I just for the way the game started. Yeah, I
would have if you're utilizing the fourth four, let me
(25:09):
just start. Let's start here, like he got forty five,
he got going on, he got it going big scoring
nights in games that are lost. Just don't do a
whole lot.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
For me, it's it's it's totally fair.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
My pushback would be like, what's the alternative, right that
you you need guys to be confident, and right now
they're struggling, like Dylan Brooks is not confident because, like
you said, like I don't think he knew what he
was getting into talking Ish to Lebron before the first
true home game for the Lakers in the playoffs in
a decade, Right, I don't think he I don't think
(25:46):
he understood. He didn't he's he didn't understand nor did
he care to understand the dynamic at play there.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Yeah, and that's okay for him, But this is my
issue with the Grizzlies organization. They're young, top to bottom,
their dmen in the job for eight years, but really
doesn't have Zach Climon, doesn't have a whole lot of
NBA experience, Taylor Jenkins is a young coach, like, they
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don't have any veterans in that locker room other than
Steven Adams who's out of commission. They're young across the board,
so they don't have anybody who has the ability to say, hey,
this is not the way we should approach be approaching
this series. And I just I kind of feel the
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same with what job going off in the fourth quarter
was about, which is I got it going, let's we'll
just let him go. I don't know how much him
getting off or going off in the fourth quarter. Haines
is the dynamic of this next game. I maybe proved wrong,
but if he comes out the same way, I don't
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think that that helps the Grizzlies win the game.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Okay, let me let me ask you about Warriors Kings. Okay,
kind of on brand. Warriors incredible at home, right, they
struggled on the road, all that they had a shot
to win, real shot to win game one?
Speaker 3 (27:13):
What do you think of the series?
Speaker 8 (27:14):
Now?
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I'm watching the Kings grow up in real time, and
I'm watching Steve Kerr have to make more adjustments early
in the playoffs, earlier in the playoffs than I've ever
seen him have to make, and having to ratchet down
to I'm just gonna play my veterans. I'm just going
(27:38):
to play my known guys. Kaminga played three minutes. It
was an awful three minutes. Most this movie I don't
think was bad. But he didn't go back to him
after the first quarter. I would suspect that he's going
to ride with Dante DiVincenzo and all of his veteran
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players and play them heavy minutes, particularly in this next game.
I would not be surprised if Jordan Poole sees his
minutes get cut because he was very, very up and down.
The only question that I have is are the crank
Kings ready to make to take that next step? You know?
I thought they showed a lot of boys in their
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second game. Uh In in the Warriors building. Keegan Murray
is coming coming alive. He was a non factor of
the first three games, and he was a huge part
of why they were so good during the regular season.
That would be worrisome for me. But you still have
who's Darren Fox has never closed out a series? This
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next game?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
How do you?
Speaker 5 (28:46):
How do you? How do you? They've had two opportunities
to really put the Warriors at a huge disadvantage game
three or winning Game four, and they weren't able to
do it. I still need to see the the Kings
be able to take that last step. And so I'm
still buying that the Warriors, there's not a situation that's
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going to face them and they've already faced a lot
of adversity by their own hand and overcome it, and
the Kings that you have to face any sort of adversity.
So I'm still leaning Warriors. But I've been incredibly impressed.
I thought this was going to be a tougher series
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when people advertised it. But the Kings has been even
better than I thought.
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No good buzzer sound, The Warriors escape for the win.
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I'd love to say, there's just so many cornucopia things.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
To get to.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
But a huge, huge breaking story with Aaron Rodgers being traded,
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where it's brilliant, absolutely brilliant by the Packers. Okay, you
go back a couple of years ago, and I'll just
tell you I've always been team Aaron Rodgers. My feelings
have changed a little bit, not because of the COVID thing,
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more because of the defiance and how he overreacted, I believe,
but they all do.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
But the overreacting to.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
The drafting of Jordan Love, right, the context of the
time was he was coming off of a relative for him,
a disappointing season, and he's in his mid thirties, creeping
up on his late thirties, and they drafted a guy.
And if you know anything about Jordan Love's background, he
was seen as two to three years away, and he
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was everybody thought he was going to go somewhere late first,
early second. There were some thoughts he would go early first.
He sat there and waited packers trade up and got
great value. And my belief at the time was that
if you're the Packers and you have a player who
they believe talent wise could be a top ten, top
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fifteen pick, had he gone back to school to Utah
State for one more year, and remember like if it
was now, he probably would have gone the transfer portal
and Tribby would have played at a big time school.
No disrespect to Utah State, but that played for two
different coaches, two different years, and it was two different,
very different results. But had he gone and played for
SEC Pac twelve whatever level school, maybe then he would
(32:48):
have elevated himself. But the problem with the Packers is
they're always going to be too good to really be
in the quarterback sweepstakes unless you do what the Niners do,
which is move heaven and Earth. And that's a lot
of draft capital to move up. And they missed on
trade lance. So I thought it made all kinds of sense.
The problem was there just wasn't a great relationship there
(33:10):
between the front office and Aaron Rodgers. And I don't
know if any front office is going to have a
great relationship with Aaron Rodgers candidly right when he's worried
about all these guys they got rid of and how
they got rid of him when that's the business and
none of those guys amounted to much of anything when
they left Green Bay. So that all made sense. But
the problem with trading Aaron Rodgers with do you want
(33:31):
to be the guy that trades Aaron Rodgers. So they
saw it through two MVP cycles and then a down year,
and if you know anything about the Packers and their
following and their fans today, it's a relief that he's gone.
It's finally over Aaron, no matter how gracious his exit
(33:53):
will be, and the fact that he'll be welcomed back
probably in five to six years or ten years, just
like Farv. And you know, all of the executives are
saying all they're going to say all the right things.
You still trade away arguably the greatest quarterback in the
history of the greatest franchise in the history of the sport.
(34:16):
And they've had two other all time greats. Well, he
still has football in him, good football in him.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Let's get the detail. Here's the details of the trade.
Go ahead, monci okay.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
So, in the reported deal, the Jets would receive Aaron Rodgers,
the fifteenth overall pick and a fifth round pick, while
the Packers received the thirteenth, forty second, two hundred and
seventh pick in this year's draft and a conditional twenty
twenty four second round pick that would become a first
if Rogers plays more than sixty five percent of the
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offensive snaps in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Okay, wait, so it becomes the first he plays more
than six percent this year?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
This year?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Okay, So I mean like that is so it's a
pickswap for this year they move up to.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
Eat Yes, exactly, they swapped.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Okay, I mean nominal, but there's there's a value there.
There's a value there.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
They get a second and a third that's good, and
then probably a first next year, you would assume. So yeah,
and and there's the you know you got. I even
saw Andrew Brandt tweet all the things they got. Plus
don't have to pay him the actual cash even though
they carry the dead cat money for a guy who
is never going to play for you ever again. Like
(35:34):
that's the important part to mention, is like all these
things are great. He wasn't gonna play for the Packers
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The genius to this whole thing for the Packers is
they trade away are arguably their greatest player ever, and
it feels to people like they won the trade even
though they gave up arguably their greatest player ever.
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Stewart like he can. He can twist the knife on anybody.
Your last tweet, Jason, would you like to read it
on air?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
Let's see my last tweet? I think it would sound
better if Monsei reads it because she's she liked it,
but uh, let me see I like.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I like it as well.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
But I just don't see any open expression that you
liked it, because I don't see a like from you
or a share.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
I saw it, dude, Okay, Okay, so I can, I
can like it right now, okay, But I also I
don't actually agree with it, but I want I want
to know where the energy comes from.
Speaker 4 (01:24):
Okay, mondays are like the red hot chili peppers. They
just suck.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Why do you hate the chili peppers so much?
Speaker 5 (01:34):
So?
Speaker 4 (01:35):
What is the the What is the term that you
use when a song gets stuck in your ear? What
is the ear worm? Worm?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Ear worm?
Speaker 4 (01:41):
So they have earworms, and but for the wrong reasons,
Like if like try this, if you hear give it
away at seven am in the morning.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
What I gotta got to give it to give.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Seven o'clock at night? Twelve hours later, you're gonna be
still be singing it. And that song is dreadfully awful.
So they give you earworms for the reason.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Why is it dreadfully awful?
Speaker 4 (02:10):
That's a horrible song, and I don't want it in
my head.
Speaker 3 (02:13):
No tell me why it's a horrible song.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
I don't know whether it's I don't have to be
able to articulate things more than.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Whatever it makes I did go. Whatever makes like a
song annoying, the lyrics, the repetition, the I don't know,
and it's just something about the way Anthony Keita sings
that is like a fingernails on a chalkboard for me.
So again, this is all very subjective. Yes, this is
(02:44):
all very subjective. Music is subjective. You don't you don't
have to agree with me.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Red Hot Chili betpers have sold seventy seven million records. Yeah,
They've been streamed on Spotify approximately eleven point two billion times.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Yeah, and I don't like them, just like I don't
like pro wrestling. You can give me similar numbers where
a bill.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
I don't like pro wrestling because it's I mean, it's
so over the top cheesy, right, and it's It's also
the problem with pro wrestling is.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I don't feel like here.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I I don't enjoy the idea that I had to
have watched. Like I don't know anything about Roman reigns.
I don't know any of these storylines. Like I'm a
I like my TV shows in like Law and Order.
Where is there some background stuff on different you know, detectives? Sure,
but really if I watch one episode, it stands on
(03:45):
its on its own, and WWE, I feel like one
I've never you know, for like twenty years of my
dad's of probably thirty years, the last thirty years of
my dad's life. Like trying to express to him that
it's not real. It's was was tiresome. And then people
like to cover it like it's a real thing, and
(04:06):
then you're like, no, it's not. And then I don't
actually know any of the storylines because I didn't previously
like it. It's an incredible business that they do, and I
just I don't. It's one of those Hey, God, bless
you love that you like it, but not.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
My thing is that that's where you are red hot chili.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
No, no, no. My point is just because a lot of
people like it doesn't make it good. I mean, you
have the right to like the Red Hot Chili peppers.
But I also.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
Said it gets in your head.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Give it a when Now, Oh he's gonna in the
middle of the night, I'm gonna get a text from
Jay stew.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
I got it in my ear. Isn't that the idea
of music? Like? Is it catchy? Yes? Is it memorable? Yes?
Speaker 1 (04:52):
They kind of got their own little thing. They've been
able to survive through like four decades. Is it too
mainstream for you?
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Is that it?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Do you like indie records?
Speaker 4 (05:01):
No, it's just not good music. That's all. I could
say that I dislike their music. But just because a
lot of people see it or hear it or choose
to listen to it, doesn't mean it's good. That just
means you have bad taste. That's the only thing.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Also, so there's there's there. I think lies the problem.
It's you.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
You want, you want me to believe or you at
which I do. Actually, hey, I don't have to like
what you like. You're right, But you also don't have
to tell me that I'm an idiot because I like whatever.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
No, No, I would never call him an idiot.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
You just to taste. Oh, I have terrible taste.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Sorry, two different things.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
Yeah, well, but people with terrible tastes are generally idiots.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
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code is Draft. So Russell West had a good couple
of games with the LA Clippers. Monci That is that fair?
(06:03):
Is that accurate.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
You're a Clipper from.
Speaker 6 (06:05):
He is delivered.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
He's delivered.
Speaker 6 (06:07):
He has delivered, especially in the playoffs. We would not
have one game one if it wasn't for his defensive
battle in the last.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
But you would have been behind in game one if
now for the fact he was three of nineteen.
Speaker 6 (06:17):
Maybe not, but I mean that's that's Westbrook, you know
what I mean like that, that's not surprising. So I
think it was. I have more value on what he
did defensively the last three minutes than wanting to, you know, critique.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
He also turned the ball. He also threw the ball
in the stands after a time.
Speaker 6 (06:34):
I mean there were and even in Game three he
had some some costly turnovers when we're right in there
and just you know, brain farts to where he throws
the ball. I agree with you on that. But we
would not have one game one if it wasn't for him.
And that's a fact.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
Okay. So here's Chris Paul and Kevin Durant after Game four.
Remember they're up three games to one, and the Clippers,
you know, haven't had Kawhi Leonard, haven't had Paul George
the entire series, having at Kawhison's game too. Here's Kad
(07:08):
and Chris Paul on Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 7 (07:10):
People going to always criticize when you successful and you know,
doing your thing for this long, you know, somebody can
always find something that they don't like about you. But
Russ has been resilient in his whole life. He come
to work, don't say much, just come hoop. So you
know when he's retired, people going to really tell the
(07:30):
truth about how they feel about his game. Right now
is the fun thing to do is to make a
choke out of rust. But he you know, the way
he's been playing is since he got with the Clippers,
showed everybody who he really is.
Speaker 8 (07:42):
I like the only people to do that too is
the people who don't know basketball fact, you know what
I'm saying, and don't know what it's like to compete.
I know, for me, Russ is one of my closest friends,
you know what I'm saying. And so people to do
that and talk crazy probably wish they could be in
that situation.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
Okay, I would offer up that he shot the ball
better since being a member of the Clippers, right, but
it's a smaller sample size. In twenty one games forty
nine percent, as opposed to he was forty one point
seven percent with the Lakers this year, forty four the
year before. He's basically been low forties with exception of
(08:20):
the Houston year and below thirty from three again until
the Clippers, where he's he's regained his confidence.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
But like, let's not get it twisted.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
They won any of those games, and it's a small
sample size, so there's a lot to unpack there. I
would agree that that there are a lot of people
who talk about Westbrook that don't know anything about basketball.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Agree with that. There are plenty of people.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
In basketball that are like, yeah, you know, the whole
he plays hard all the time isn't actually accurate, and
may be more accurate now. But they're with the Lakers,
with the Wizards, with the Rockets, with the Thunder, there
were massive gaps in his defense. He hadn't he'd gotten
worse as a shooter, and he struggled to get along
(09:08):
with people. So maybe it's about fit, Maybe it's about
regaining his confidence. Maybe it's because they had no one
else to turn to, and you know, once they had
no one else to turn to. Now he played well,
that's the only role he could play, which actually kind
of proves the point of what I've at.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Least been saying.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Look, he's shooting the ball better than he had previously,
but he's still not shooting free throws well. He's still
not a good percentage why he's finisher, and he's playing
a harder or a higher percent of the time. But the
problem with Russ is can he play well when he's
not the number one option? Can he be statistically super
effective consistently when he's not the number one option?
Speaker 3 (09:49):
And can?
Speaker 1 (09:50):
And if he's the number one option, you can't actually
win games or maybe even win enough to get to
the playoffs or winning the playoffs with them as the
number one option. It's like, yeah, you can score, lots
of dudes can go in and score, and maybe he's
more effect but does it actually win you games? And again,
and I'll be the fair one here, I don't think
anybody's winning, you know, in Russ's position, based upon being
(10:15):
the third most lauded star currently on the roster. You
take the top two guys off of any team in
the playoffs, they're not winning. But if we're if we
all have it wrong, and only you know, Chris Paul
and KD and the and the defenders have it right, then,
(10:35):
I mean, what's the purpose of keeping finals score right?
That's the real question. I mean the same could be
said for Miles Bridges. Like is Miles Bridge is a
better scorer than we thought? Yeah, but it's not like
him being the best player means the NETS can win
games with him scoring twenty to twenty.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Five a game.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
Right, His best role is as the third or four
best offensive player, and then all the other things he
does becomes even greater for USS. He doesn't seem like
he can function without being the best guy on his
team on the court, and you also can't win legit
games with him in that position.
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Speaking of the draft, deadlines bring deals, and it appears
there is a deal in place in Jersey and in
Green Bay.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
Let's get to Mansi Belanos with an.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Update breaking news from Fox Sports.
Speaker 6 (12:06):
Doug we manifested it with game time, but it is official.
Aaron Rodgers is a Jet. What do the Jets get?
They get Aaron Rodgers pick number fifteen, a twenty twenty
three fifth round pick, which is the overall one hundred
and seventieth pick. The Packers get pick number thirteen, a
twenty twenty three second round pick, which is forty two overall,
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a sixth round pick two hundred and seven overall, a
conditional twenty twenty four second round pick that becomes the
first if Roger plays sixty five percent of the plays,
so it's a visual.
Speaker 3 (12:40):
This year this year? Yes, okay, so they.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
Know the condition was in twenty twenty four, but oh yes,
if you play sixty five percent of plays this this year, yes, oh,
so you get.
Speaker 3 (12:49):
The thirteenth pick.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
This year, they get a first round pick, m the
forty second pick, so first and a second and a
third and if he plays sixty five send the snaps.
Speaker 3 (13:00):
This year, they get a first next year.
Speaker 6 (13:02):
A conditional twenty to four second round pick. If he
plays sixty five percent of the player that.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Can become a first. Okay, thank you, monsie. First thoughts are,
I don't hate to say I.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
Told you so.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I told you so, right, And it appears so that
the pay the Packers are going to eat because it
doesn't say anything about any sort of adjustment to his contract.
So the Packers are going to eat all that dead
cap money. But you remember when there was the well
they want two first round picks, they can't get two
first round picks, and the yeah, they got a first,
(13:39):
a second, a third, and a second that's likely to
become a first, And you're like, well, how do you
know it's gonna become a first? Aaron Rodgers playing sixty
five percent the snaps has happened every year except for
one that he's been a or more one that he's
been a starting quarterback. So and now for the Jets,
obviously they get a great player and he's fully aligned
(14:01):
with the play caller. And I thought, but I actually
think the Packers did really well, did really well, stood
firm enough, create enough buzz, you know, created a little
bit of a leverage there with the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
What do I expect from Jordan Love? I don't know, man.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
I have people who think because he played well in
mop up duty at the end of the Philadelphia game
that somehow now he's going to be the next Aaron Rodgers.
I just don't know. I don't know enough. I know
his personal story has won to champion. I know he
sat there, hasn't said anything, hast that bad body language.
He's been ready. But at the end of the day,
it's can you play? And you're replacing an absolute legend,
(14:44):
and the Packers and Brian gook like this is going
to be his legacy, not just trading Aaron Rodgers, but
your evaluation of Jordan Love as being the guy to
replace a first ballot Hall of Famer.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
You gotta nail this one.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I do think that they did a good enough job
creating a true narrative and this is not a false
narrative that we did all we could to get him,
all we could to get him and to keep him,
and he didn't want to be here, So what do
you want to do? And considering he didn't want to
be there, they did the best they could, and they
did pretty well, right, first, second, third, and another second
(15:22):
that's likely to become a first.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
So two first, a second and a third. That's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (15:26):
That's pretty good trade, pretty good trade the Jets. That
thing just got interesting right to people. The fact that
he's followed Brett Favre in Green Bay and now he's
following Brett Farr's path to the Jets is to say
ironic is the is an easy one? But man, is
(15:47):
that weird. It's a guy who wanted to distance himself
from Farv in so many different ways, and like though
he has a rocket arm, he's the opposite of Farv
in terms of being a chance. Let's take her right,
Farvard try and throw that ball into a tiny little window.
Didn't care, just read it and rip it. Whereas Aaron
Rodgers is the picture of efficiency. So he's tried to
(16:11):
separate himself in so many ways from Farv and now
that kind of he goes is he going to the Vikings?
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Next? Huge news?
Speaker 1 (16:19):
All right, we'll complete Kenny to talk about here in
the Doug Gottlieb Show. Hey, what to welcome in Doug
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Speaker 3 (16:35):
He's the one and only Rick Buker. Buke Boy. There's
a lot to get to, y Can I actually start
in Atlanta?
Speaker 5 (16:46):
It's your show, Doug. I'm just here living in your.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Oh stop it, stop it. Anyway, last night as the
as the Hawks end up losing and end up losing
to the Celtics. So there's gonna be one more game
played this year because they did win Game three, so
it's a gentleman sweep.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Which is coming right.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
But as much as as Trey Young has become everyone's
talking about Trey Young, will they trade Trey Young?
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Can you win with Trey Young?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
He is thirty five and fifteen and Dejontay Murray goes
and steps up and clearly let it be known he
was not happy with the officiating, but did so in
a way in which he's got to be suspended, Like,
what is the energy behind that?
Speaker 3 (17:34):
That is not a good look.
Speaker 5 (17:36):
Well, it's one of the reasons this is always the
cautionary tale when the San Antonio Spurs move on from
a young talent you should pay attention to why they're
moving on. I don't know how many guys have left
the Spurs and gone someplace else. Obviously Kawhi went to
(17:59):
Baran Know and won a championship, but you can you
can look at at everything that's in the totality and
what's happened with Kawhi and question whether that's a good investment.
Same thing with Deconte in moving on and we've heard, Look,
there's things generally don't get out in San Antonio, but
(18:20):
there was enough rumblings about the lack of maturity and
some of the things that he said after leaving that
raised some eyebrows. So it's just kind of who he is.
Is he a great talent, very extremely talented. But I
get where you're coming from in terms of if you're
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going to keep one or the other or you're going
to look at who's the real problem. Look, I don't
think you can build around Trey Young for where they
want to go. But I also don't believe that Dejonta
Murray is is you're going to build around him either,
you're going that's what they're really missing. They have a
(19:01):
lot of different pieces that are talented, But I don't
you could tell me, like who's at your core? Who
do you look at and say this is a must
have piece in building a title contending team. I don't
think the Hawks have it.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Tend to tend to agree with you.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
And the officiating part piece of it is, you know,
it's like there's there's always been an element of complaining,
but we get where we get to a point where
you're like, all right, you're making it impossible for guys
to do their job. On the other hand, then you
have the officiating component with Dylan Brooks, and I don't
(19:41):
know how you feel about it, and I've had people
disagree with me, but I can't imagine a scenario where
he was going for a nutshot there trying to steal
a steal a basketball when Lebron goes behind his back,
there's a lot, there's a go ahead.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
Yeah, no, I mean, look, he's reaching for the ball.
It's and we can debate whether you know Harden harden
shot was what was it? Royce O'Neil, I think he
got I think in both cases both guys played played
(20:20):
up the hit. I thought Rose O'Neil played up the hit.
I'm not even sure that he I thought he got
hit in the lower abdomen. That was a little high
for a nut shot. Sure, I think Lebron stayed down
until he knew that that you know.
Speaker 3 (20:34):
He knew what he was doing.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
Like, the longer I stay down, the Dylan is already
the villain, the more this is gonna look like Dylan
escalated it. I just didn't see that. And and I
take issue kind of with both Harden's defense that it
(20:56):
was a basketball move. I kind of I agree with that,
and I think that that Dylan's was too. I just
we've become the referees have run into this situation, this
predicament now where they're adjudicating intent. I always got the
(21:20):
impression that no matter what it looked like, that they
weren't supposed to they weren't supposed to adjudicate that. And
if it was a dangerous play, it's a dangerous play.
But in both of these cases, I just I thought
it was a massive overreaction. Now, all that said, Dylan
(21:40):
and the Grizzlies not being aware that this was the
first home playoff game in ten years where the Lakers
were able to have a full arena and not anticipating
that that crowd was going to be bloodthirsty as is,
and now you're only going to add to it by
(22:02):
playing the bad guy coming in. Was just it was
just not smart. And then they did nothing to try
to camp down the emotions the way the game started,
they got caught up playing as fast and frenetic as
as the Lakers were. So I don't have any sympathy
for Dylan, But if you're asking me, do I think
(22:25):
that it was an appropriate call in terms of ejecting him?
Speaker 3 (22:29):
No, I do not. I tend to agree with you.
John did get a going, you know.
Speaker 5 (22:36):
No, I'm sorry, I'm I thought. Okay, So why, like,
what was the point of that?
Speaker 3 (22:46):
What was the point of Job getting it going?
Speaker 5 (22:48):
What was the point of Job making a one man
assault in the fourth quarter of a game where for me,
what they really needed to figure out is Job coming back.
How are they going to how are they going to
integrate Jaw and everybody else, How are they going to
(23:10):
get everybody else going? How are they going to play
a composed game?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Well?
Speaker 3 (23:14):
Okay, so so so listen, that's that's fair.
Speaker 1 (23:16):
But listen, let me, let me let me give you
a perspective, because I was I was there so, and
it's that's not a humble brag. It's more when you're
watching on TV, you can flip over or get distracted
and miss some stuff. I thought one of the issues
was in the first quarter, Like you said, they were
too playing to for Neetic, but he was clearly trying
to be Tias Jones and get everybody involved, right, and
(23:39):
those other guys, especially Dylan Brooks, he kept firing and
missing right, and and I felt like he was really
the only guy who was up to the challenge offensively
of maintaining some level of composure, and Dylan Brooks was not,
and he didn't get a And what change was in
the fourth quarter. They played him Tias Jones together to
(24:01):
start the fourth quarter, and that that changed their matchups.
The Lakers don't match up well against small ball, right,
I mean, obviously not having Brandon Clark changes them dramatically.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
And I think he just kind of got to go.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Like, look, he's he was attacking all night, but he
starts hitting jump shots and now he be kind of
becomes unguardable the game. Actually, there was a part part
in the third quarter where it got to thirteen and
it was a little in doubt, and they didn't box out,
and you know, they kept cutting it and feeling like
it was going to be a game. They could never
get it under ten in the third quarter. But I
(24:35):
did think they found some things. So to answer your
question of why was it, I don't think their intent
was to play him that much, but just to get
him going. But now he had a role and you're like,
all right, let's play it out and and it got
a little dicey there for the Lakers.
Speaker 5 (24:48):
Yeah, no, no, no, without question, I mean looks and it
was more third quarter, actually fourth quarter. The Lakers looked
a little uneasy about how they came back at him.
I just for the way the game started. Yeah, I
would have if you're utilizing the fourth four, let me
(25:09):
just start. Let's start here, like he got forty five,
he got going on, he got it going big scoring
nights in games that are lost. Just don't do a
whole lot.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
For me, it's it's it's totally fair.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
My pushback would be like, what's the alternative, right that
you you need guys to be confident, and right now
they're struggling, like Dylan Brooks is not confident because, like
you said, like I don't think he knew what he
was getting into talking Ish to Lebron before the first
true home game for the Lakers in the playoffs in
a decade, Right, I don't think he I don't think
(25:46):
he understood. He didn't he's he didn't understand nor did
he care to understand the dynamic at play there.
Speaker 5 (25:51):
Yeah, and that's okay for him, But this is my
issue with the Grizzlies organization. They're young, top to bottom,
their dmen in the job for eight years, but really
doesn't have Zach Climon, doesn't have a whole lot of
NBA experience, Taylor Jenkins is a young coach, like, they
(26:12):
don't have any veterans in that locker room other than
Steven Adams who's out of commission. They're young across the board,
so they don't have anybody who has the ability to say, hey,
this is not the way we should approach be approaching
this series. And I just I kind of feel the
(26:33):
same with what job going off in the fourth quarter
was about, which is I got it going, let's we'll
just let him go. I don't know how much him
getting off or going off in the fourth quarter. Haines
is the dynamic of this next game. I maybe proved wrong,
but if he comes out the same way, I don't
(26:57):
think that that helps the Grizzlies win the game.
Speaker 1 (27:00):
Okay, let me let me ask you about Warriors Kings. Okay,
kind of on brand. Warriors incredible at home, right, they
struggled on the road, all that they had a shot
to win, real shot to win game one?
Speaker 3 (27:13):
What do you think of the series?
Speaker 8 (27:14):
Now?
Speaker 5 (27:18):
I'm watching the Kings grow up in real time, and
I'm watching Steve Kerr have to make more adjustments early
in the playoffs, earlier in the playoffs than I've ever
seen him have to make, and having to ratchet down
to I'm just gonna play my veterans. I'm just going
(27:38):
to play my known guys. Kaminga played three minutes. It
was an awful three minutes. Most this movie I don't
think was bad. But he didn't go back to him
after the first quarter. I would suspect that he's going
to ride with Dante DiVincenzo and all of his veteran
(27:58):
players and play them heavy minutes, particularly in this next game.
I would not be surprised if Jordan Poole sees his
minutes get cut because he was very, very up and down.
The only question that I have is are the crank
Kings ready to make to take that next step? You know?
I thought they showed a lot of boys in their
(28:19):
second game. Uh In in the Warriors building. Keegan Murray
is coming coming alive. He was a non factor of
the first three games, and he was a huge part
of why they were so good during the regular season.
That would be worrisome for me. But you still have
who's Darren Fox has never closed out a series? This
(28:44):
next game?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
How do you?
Speaker 5 (28:46):
How do you? How do you? They've had two opportunities
to really put the Warriors at a huge disadvantage game
three or winning Game four, and they weren't able to
do it. I still need to see the the Kings
be able to take that last step. And so I'm
still buying that the Warriors, there's not a situation that's
(29:09):
going to face them and they've already faced a lot
of adversity by their own hand and overcome it, and
the Kings that you have to face any sort of adversity.
So I'm still leaning Warriors. But I've been incredibly impressed.
I thought this was going to be a tougher series
(29:29):
when people advertised it. But the Kings has been even
better than I thought.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
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Fox Dribbles at the Lawgo spans on a bunch of
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Speaker 5 (30:03):
No good buzzer sound, The Warriors escape for the win.
Speaker 4 (30:14):
Final score Golden State What twenty six? Sacramento What twenty five?
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Speaker 3 (30:43):
To get to.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
But a huge, huge breaking story with Aaron Rodgers being traded,
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where it's brilliant, absolutely brilliant by the Packers. Okay, you
go back a couple of years ago, and I'll just
tell you I've always been team Aaron Rodgers. My feelings
have changed a little bit, not because of the COVID thing,
(31:31):
more because of the defiance and how he overreacted, I believe,
but they all do.
Speaker 3 (31:37):
But the overreacting to.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
The drafting of Jordan Love, right, the context of the
time was he was coming off of a relative for him,
a disappointing season, and he's in his mid thirties, creeping
up on his late thirties, and they drafted a guy.
And if you know anything about Jordan Love's background, he
was seen as two to three years away, and he
(32:01):
was everybody thought he was going to go somewhere late first,
early second. There were some thoughts he would go early first.
He sat there and waited packers trade up and got
great value. And my belief at the time was that
if you're the Packers and you have a player who
they believe talent wise could be a top ten, top
(32:26):
fifteen pick, had he gone back to school to Utah
State for one more year, and remember like if it
was now, he probably would have gone the transfer portal
and Tribby would have played at a big time school.
No disrespect to Utah State, but that played for two
different coaches, two different years, and it was two different,
very different results. But had he gone and played for
SEC Pac twelve whatever level school, maybe then he would
(32:48):
have elevated himself. But the problem with the Packers is
they're always going to be too good to really be
in the quarterback sweepstakes unless you do what the Niners do,
which is move heaven and Earth. And that's a lot
of draft capital to move up. And they missed on
trade lance. So I thought it made all kinds of sense.
The problem was there just wasn't a great relationship there
(33:10):
between the front office and Aaron Rodgers. And I don't
know if any front office is going to have a
great relationship with Aaron Rodgers candidly right when he's worried
about all these guys they got rid of and how
they got rid of him when that's the business and
none of those guys amounted to much of anything when
they left Green Bay. So that all made sense. But
the problem with trading Aaron Rodgers with do you want
(33:31):
to be the guy that trades Aaron Rodgers. So they
saw it through two MVP cycles and then a down year,
and if you know anything about the Packers and their
following and their fans today, it's a relief that he's gone.
It's finally over Aaron, no matter how gracious his exit
(33:53):
will be, and the fact that he'll be welcomed back
probably in five to six years or ten years, just
like Farv. And you know, all of the executives are
saying all they're going to say all the right things.
You still trade away arguably the greatest quarterback in the
history of the greatest franchise in the history of the sport.
(34:16):
And they've had two other all time greats. Well, he
still has football in him, good football in him.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Let's get the detail. Here's the details of the trade.
Go ahead, monci okay.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
So, in the reported deal, the Jets would receive Aaron Rodgers,
the fifteenth overall pick and a fifth round pick, while
the Packers received the thirteenth, forty second, two hundred and
seventh pick in this year's draft and a conditional twenty
twenty four second round pick that would become a first
if Rogers plays more than sixty five percent of the
(34:52):
offensive snaps in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Okay, wait, so it becomes the first he plays more
than six percent this year?
Speaker 2 (35:00):
This year?
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Okay, So I mean like that is so it's a
pickswap for this year they move up to.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
Eat Yes, exactly, they swapped.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
Okay, I mean nominal, but there's there's a value there.
There's a value there.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
They get a second and a third that's good, and
then probably a first next year, you would assume. So yeah,
and and there's the you know you got. I even
saw Andrew Brandt tweet all the things they got. Plus
don't have to pay him the actual cash even though
they carry the dead cat money for a guy who
is never going to play for you ever again. Like
(35:34):
that's the important part to mention, is like all these
things are great. He wasn't gonna play for the Packers
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(35:55):
The genius to this whole thing for the Packers is
they trade away are arguably their greatest player ever, and
it feels to people like they won the trade even
though they gave up arguably their greatest player ever.
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