June 20, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug and the crew discuss the Dodgers-Padres fireworks this week and compare this "rivalry" to others in sports. Doug welcomes NBA Insider Marc Stein onto the show to talk about the NBA Finals, and some of the news surrounding the NBA draft and off-season moves. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through "The Press".
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So let's set it up. Last night was Dodgers Padres.
It's baseball, and you're like, whoa, whoa. You know, Game
six of the NBA Finals was last night, Gottley, but I
get it, okay, but Dodgers Padres and you had the uh,
you had the benches clear. You know, you had more
than a kerfuffle. Now this is a bit of a
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beanball war that had begun previous days, right, and remember
you go back to last year when the Padres had
the Dodgers that was at two games to one Jase
two and seemed to have.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Him dead to rights. Correct, And if you remember at
the time.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
The the Padres were, they were running their mouths and
again it's it's actually how they do what they do.
They have some guys that that's how they play. It's
how they play. It's a loud group. And then yeah,
Dave Roberts came up with some story of a ball
being thrown his direction and the pond for the review
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it was not. But whatever it took, the Dodgers rallied,
won the series, went on to win the World Series.
So you don't just have two teams to spend a lot. Obviously,
Dodgers spend more. You have some bitterness, you know, between
the clubs over former Dodgers playing for the Padres. You
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have San Diego people, you know, let's just be honest.
They like Philadelphia, their little brother to Los Angeles. They
got some really cool things. Who doesn't love San Diego.
But there's definitely an insecurity there. And then you have
the idea that you know, two years ago Padres knocked
the Dodgers out of the playoffs. Last year they were
knocking on the door of it, talking a bunch of ish,
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as the kids say, only to succumb to the Dodgers
and then ultimately Dodgers win the World Series.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Then I summon up well out there, Jase two.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, I think that's a good setup. I like to
just say that the Dodgers play the right way and
the Podreys do not. So this last night was the
fourth game of a four game series. Each game had
a significant amount of tension. Last night was pretty darn quiet.
In fact, the Dodgers did, I think what they've done
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a couple times this year. It's an odd trait, but
they do it. They basically punted the game. It was
five to nothing in the ninth and Dave Roberts put
a rookie in just to kind of finish out the game.
A pitch gets away from the rookie and his tattoos
so look bad. But I really do think it got
away from him. So of course the Padres. They can't
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let sleeping dogs lie. They had to hit Shoho Tani
in the bottom of the ninth thankfully show hey, and
I want to say it's a cultural thing. He just
kind of wanted to de escalate. He's like, there's no
need to empty the benches again. But before that, there
was a significant brewja ha where Mike Shilty and Dave
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Roberts got into it on the field. You rarely see
managers basically go up cap to CapMan start yelling at
each other. It was pretty exciting.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
The Padres feel like they've replaced the Giants. Is that
fair as the rival if you will, of the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, they really want to use the word rival. I
think even Daniel Jeremiah are our resident Padre fan. He
acknowledges it as the most exciting matchup in baseball right now.
That's a great way to say right now, in this moment.
But the Giants and Dodgers go back one hundred and
forty years.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, it's kind of the only exciting, right because Cubs,
Cardinals not the same, Red Sox, Yankees not the same.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Doug If I may, I feel like not being a
Dodgers fan around here and not being any connection to
the Padres either, but being from the Midwest, I feel
like there's a good analogy I've taken from college baseball
and what I mean football, Excuse me of what's gone
on with the pot with this Giants Dodgers Padres and
that Okay, the Dodgers are Michigan the Giants obviously are
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Ohio State, but Padres are Michigan State. They're the little brother,
and big brother never wants to admit little brother is
a rival until you really start to get punched in
the face and start getting really kind of upset about it.
And it feels like that's where we're at right now,
and that the Padres, like Dodgers, are having to reckon
the fact that hey, the Padres, your little brother, are
good enough to hang with you, and you're kind of
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begrudgingly trying to find ways not to call them your
rival because you have this other rival over here.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
That you have so much more history with.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I still think the Dodgers are the nemesis of the Padres.
I still think the Dodgers are the nemesis of the Padres.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
That's no, no, no, I'm just saying it's one it's one way.
It's the Padres absolutely think the Dodgers are their rival.
It's just the Dodgers fans would like to think it's
the Giants are their rival and not reciprocate it to
the Padres.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
No, the Giants have been the rival. Yeah, right, they
go back to New York together. That's that's the point
that that Jason was making. And the Giants have won.
Whether they win three World Series in six years or whatever,
I don't know. Buyer, what about you give me your thoughts.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
Yeah, the example that I would use is actually, dug
in your backyard, Packers Bears is the historic rivalry, but
the Packers Vikings is one of itself. And I always
just point to the Packer meme. The Packer joke is
an empty bookshelf or an empty trophy case. And then
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then it's saying this is the Minnesota Vikings trophy case
where they like poke fun, but there is there is this.
I don't know if hatred is the right word, but
it sure gets to that way.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
I almost I don't.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
I don't want to say that the Bears and Packers
respect each other, but there is the tradition that Jason
Stewart talks about that is evident in the Packers and Bears,
Whereas when the Vikings came along, they were kind of
thought of as the new kid on the block as
in that division and with those teams. No offense to
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the Lions, but they just hadn't been a part of
the conversation until recently, where I feel like the Padres
play the role of the Vikings where they really haven't
won anything yet they're trying to be the rival of
the Dodgers. And sure Minnesota may get the best of
green Bay here or there, they don't have any Super
Bowl trophies to show for it, where green Bay does,
and Chicago's got their history and they do have a
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Super Bowl. But that's how I kind of feel about
the rivalry. To compare it to another sports rivalry.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Here's another kind of point to add to your point,
you know, to add to your point, dan Is, I
think the Vikings thing has always been Yeah, they haven't
won anything whatever. Adding Farv changed it's some, right, I'm
sure is that fair?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And then adding Manny changed it some for the Padres
and the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yeah, different levels, but because many you know wasn't.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, Mandy Machada was only a Dodger for like a
like a minute, right, as opposed to Farv was forever.
But part of it was, you know, Manny's a guy
who you know when he first got there, really liked
to talk some.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
There's what there's also the just the geography of it, yes,
which you don't plays such a role. And it's interesting
because where you are right now, there is nothing more
annoying to someone from Wisconsin than a car with an
Illinois license plate on it in the summertime. Like it's true,
and I think that you would look at the Twin
Cities and even though Minnesota is Minneapolis right on the
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border basically between Wisconsin and Minnesota, like the Packer fans
are so prevalent. It's not like there's Minnesota fans in
western Wisconsin. It's all Green Bay. And it actually maybe
the other way around that. There are you know, Packer
fans in the Twin Cities area and so there's a
weird blend there of fans and kids who go to
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high school in Minnesota they go to Wisconsin, you know,
possibly I you know, bunch of friends of mine are
from the state of Minnesota, so you have that crossover Chicago.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Same thing.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
Geography just plays such a huge role of it, of
the blend of the of the cities and whatnot. Yet
there is a separation specifically with the Giants and Dodgers
because it's northern California southern Calilifornia, and there's that straight line,
you know, Gurnie Mills is the state line with Wisconsin
and Illinois.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
So there's something to that as well.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
Well.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I think because the trophy case is empty, it means
these small victories you get over the Dodgers mean a
lot more again to the Michigan State Michigan thing to like,
I know, a bunch of Michigan State fans. They still
hold onto the trouble with the snap game where Michigan
loses that game by bobbling the punt and it gets
straighted and it gets stripped out, taken into the end zone,
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no time left for the touchdown.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
But like that's held on too by the Little Brothers.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
How many Michigan State Michigan games now there have been
fights afterwards, And I go back to even of what
we see last night with the Padres, to Jason's point,
where a lot of this is San Diego instigated. It
feels like like the Packers aren't innocent in the Bears
rivalry from the nineteen eighties when Green Bay wasn't anything
and the Bears were dominant, and he had Charles Martin
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throwing Jim McMahon to the ground. You got players shoving
players into opposing benches. Like there is a bit of
that as well with it when you're talking about a rivalry.
But sometimes it's the team that doesn't want anything that
seems to stoop to a lower level that then makes
it a rivalry or something that has to be dealt with.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Like what I like about the Michigan State analogy, and
I'm not from there, so this is kind of an
outside looking in perspective. Michigan State seems to play the
role of the Podres in this and that it's only
quote a rivalry when the Padres have a good team,
you know, Michigan is the juggernaut there. And when Michigan
State has a good team, then I think they consider
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themselves that rival.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
It's just ten years ago with Nardoozy as the coach,
when they were like of equal standing for ones.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
It just doesn't happen all the time. Dodgers and Giants
are the Ohio State Michigan. They're always going to be
kind of the halves and the teams that are the
biggest rival. But yeah, when Michigan State's really good, I
guess that's when the rivalry kind of kicks in. That's
the same way the Potterys are good now and they're
ride and high, and we all know it'll go away
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sooner than later.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
You know what I find to be the best part
of it is, did you guys see show Hey when
he got hit?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
First?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You know, he got hit in the leg, and look
when they ding show Hey, that three hit a guy? Right,
it still hurts in the thigh, but that's what you're
supposed to do. But you know, one he pointed the dugout,
I'm good, and then two he's literally laughing. He's laughing
at them. You know, I think that's that's that's perfect
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big brother material right there.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Can I tell you what popped into my head, which
I go, so, I totally get when you're from a
foreign country and you're speaking with the media, you want
to make sure that your words are exact. Hideki Matsuyama
does it on the PGA tour, uses an interpreter to
speak with the media. But Sho he was talking to
Luisa Rayes and was talking to is the cronin Worth.
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They were having a conversation, and so then you're like, Okay, well,
then why is show he having an interpreter always with
the team right places? Bet, I didn't want to say it.
I didn't want to say it. I get the media
aspect of it. You don't want to say something that
you know could be wrong because maybe you don't speak
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as fluent in that language. But I just thought it
was interesting that he was having full blown conversations with
whoever was at first for the Padres at that time
last night.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, yeah, it could have been like Serrano though in
Major League.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
You bring that to me, man, you bring that to me.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Could we play Shilty last night because he's got himself
a red ass and there was just a great exchange
last night where Shilty and Roberts are yelling at each other.
Roberts was using blue language, the rookie who came in
in the ninth that hit tattoo.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
What is blue language?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Huh? What like in comedy?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Just you know, foul words.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
I want to know, are you calling shilty like as
a nickname.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I've never heard shilty before?
Speaker 8 (13:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Like, what's his name? Mike Shilt? Oh?
Speaker 6 (13:57):
I thought it was like like you like, oh, that's fun,
previous history with them?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, I guarantee in the club I tell you, in
the clubhouse, he's s shelty.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Yes, that's what I thought too.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Just listen to the how worked up he is?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
You have that the Mike Shultz sound? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Yeah, but which one? We've got two different Mike Shilts
and we're playing baduction. Okay, okay, the bottom one.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Oh no, tatis got hit and little of the rookie
spins tatis around.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Mike Shilt is furious coming out of the dugout.
Speaker 7 (14:30):
Did you think the pitch was intentional to hit fatist tonight?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And that's possible.
Speaker 9 (14:34):
I'd like to think not, but I can't say that.
Only a couple of people know that. And whether it
was or it wasn't, enough is enough. You know, we
got a guy who's getting x rayge right now, it's
one of the best players in the game, of course
on our team, and this guy's getting has taken shots
and before the series, you know we hadn't. And I
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can back this up with complete evidence. You know, track
records speak for themselves. The teams that I managed don't
get into alter case like this because teams I've managed
don't throw with people. But also teams I managed don't
take anything. And after a while, I'm not going to
take it, and I'm not going to take it on
behalf of Toddy. I'm not going to take it on
behalf of our team. Intentional aren't intentional truly, that's simple.
That's how this game's played. And you want to call
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that old school, then yeah, we'll play.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Old school baseball.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I don't mind old school baseball. I think baseball needs this.
It just does. And look, you know, I've heard people
who have no sense of history and they talk about
basketball and they let them fight, and it's like, okay,
you don't remember Kermit Washington and what happened there. Obviously,
you know, the pushing and the shoving. It's a lot.
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We've seen some brawls, but again, just the idea of
a little bit of beanball, guys being managers coming out
and going chess to chess, like, I gotta tell you
it's it's it's actually really good.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
I'll also say this, that's just shilty being shilty. You know,
that's that's it's all it is. Yeah, that's so shilty
right there.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, you know shilty, you know,
shilty at Murph and Smitty. Yeah, shilty Murph and Smithy,
those guys are they're all cut from the.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Same d Rob comes out.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
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Speaker 1 (16:32):
Live Stuck Gottleeb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So
I was watching the postgame coverage on NBA TV last
night and t J McConnell's up there, and I've heard
TJ mcconnald say playing hard as a skill, and it's
it's you know, you got a lot of buddies out
there and they'll text you be.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Like yo, that was you.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Your TJ McConnell like I was in TJ McConnell, like
I there were things I did better than Asian McConnell.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
But I didn't. I don't. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I was not as tough as and played as hard
as that guy plays.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Right, And yeah, it is a skill.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
It's something that everybody thinks that there are I'm gonna
guess one hundred thousand guys who played minor league basketball,
who played overseas. They watch and they look at TJ McConnell,
and I like, I'll tell you, honestly, I did it
when he first got into the league. And you're like,
Tejer mcconnald's in the league. Come on, I'm better than
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TEJ McConnell. Then you watch him play, You're like, I
didn't play as hard as teacher McConnell plays.
Speaker 10 (17:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Then his dad pops up.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
When he's at the NBA TV desk and does.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
This, tops, I got one question for you. Why Why
were you harder on him and softer on your daughter?
Speaker 7 (17:55):
He says that it's true.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It's true.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
True.
Speaker 10 (18:00):
Daughter was undefeated state championship. He lost in the state championship.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
We lost two.
Speaker 10 (18:05):
Games, so undefeated he didn't play as well. In the
state championship. He played great, but we didn't win it.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Now she's with the Mercury.
Speaker 10 (18:18):
So I can't be more proud to say I have
a son in the NBA and I have a daughter
in the w n b A. This is a dream
come true, and I'm going to okayc for my son
to play in the championship game, win the world Cham's.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
It's an unbelievable story. Is his his daughter just made
the w n b A Stut GOTTLIEBP show Here on
Fox Sports Radio, Mark Stein joints this. You know, Mark,
I I just told I just said it straight up, like,
don't tell me you're a sports fan, you're not gonna
watch game seven. This has been a good entertaining series
and it's one game.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
To decide who wins the championship.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
But your honest reactionship, if I told you at any
point in time before the playoffs and maybe sometime in
the playoffs, that the finals would go to seven games
and that it would be decided between the Pacers and
Oklahoma City, what would you have said, in say, November.
Speaker 8 (19:14):
Well, the Oklahoma City part that was feasible and certainly
the way the regular season played out. But look, I've
been racking my brain. I think you know me pretty
well by now. You know I love my NBA history.
They still have to win one more game, and it's
going to be a very hard game to win. And
we saw in the Denver series that everybody thought Okac
was in trouble and they won Game seven in a runaway.
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So it is a tall order to go on the
road and win a game seven. But if the Pacers
can win that Game seven, I have never seen a
better story as an NBA champion. I mean, I think
they are the ultimate Cinderellas in terms of winning it all. Now,
the very first year that I really really really dialed
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into the NBA, the very first year nineteen seventy seven
seventy eight, that is a very special season in my
basketball nerd life. And the Washington Bullets won it all
as a forty four and thirty eighteen, so by record
you would say, okay, that was a longer shot. And
then the Houston Rockets won it all in ninety five
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as a sixth seed, but they were the defending champions.
And that seventy seven to seventy eight season was a
weird one because the Blazers were defending champions, started fifty
to ten and Walton got hurt, and so that was
a weird year. And the NBA was much much different
back then. In the modern NBA, what the Pacers are
doing again, they've still got them, got to finish it,
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and they've got to win one more and it might
be the toughest game of the old season. But it
has been an absolute It's just surprise after surprise after
surprise after surprise. It has been a tremendous story.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Gotlieb's show here on sports Radio. Okay, I was gonnak.
Speaker 8 (21:03):
I was gonna ask you, is there is there any
other team in your lifetime that you feel like is
a more would be a more surprising champion than these guys.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
No, No, I really don't and and and I don't
think you can compare any other sport anyway, uh just
because baseball maybe somebody again baseball could be so random,
you know.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Uh, but in the.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
NBA, keeping the NBA because like bringing difficult, so surely
surely with your with NBA goggles on, it is it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well again, and I'll credit you, Jaseu, because you mentioned
the Raptors. The Raptors had been closed before added Kawhi Leonard,
and I think they had had the best record in
the easton years before Raptors.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
The Raptors acquired to find a previous Finals MVP. They
also made a mid season trade for Mark Gasol, one
of the best defensive centers of his generation. And look,
I'm not saying Toronto's title wasn't surprising, but again, they
traded for Kawhi Leonard with one year on his contract
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for one reason and one reason only to finally do
it in the playoffs after falling short countless times. And
obviously Golden State's injuries were a factor in that series
that finals as well, But I think the Pacers are
It's a more the Pacers two best players, Alibert and
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siafam These these are not They did not have Kawhi
Leonards resume.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
No, no, not not even close. But again, there's there
is something. There's there's something to this, and you know, look,
I think the pace of play has been awesome. The
market size I think adds to it. Right with Oklahoma
City and Indianapolis, all of this has been great. If
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Oklahoma City wins it, undoubtedly we'll get the.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Beginning of a new dynasty when we don't know that.
That's just it's just too early. If Indiana wins it,
what will the narrative be.
Speaker 8 (23:24):
Well, Look, I would say if OKC does win, I mean,
they are one of the few teams equipped in this
new NBA to have a dynasty because they have so
much optionality with their draft picks that they're going to
be able to move salary out but bring new players in. Like,
they are so well set up for the future. So
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in okay C's case, the talk is unavoidable and it
will be justified. Look, coming into this finals, I dubbed
it the Vibes Finals because we had Miles Turner before
this series saying that our team men and their team
are fueled by the power of friendship, which, like, I
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don't know how sustainable that is, but I can promise
you there are a lot of teams out there that
hope Miles Turner is correct, because friendship is something you
can build without messing up your salary caps. So look,
I don't know how sustainable it is. I don't know
how replicable it is, if that's even a word, But
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I mean this, you know it would be. It would
also you know, it gives hope to the whole league
because the Pacers have done it, like you said, with pace,
but also with depth. They have gone for Haliburton and
Yakam are two very good players. I mean, don't get
me wrong, these are two of the fifteen or twenty
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best players in the league. But they it's the depth
that they put around them too. Like they are not
trying to do it as a super team whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Stug Gottlieb show Fox Sports Trader, that's the voice of
Mark Stein.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Mark. How long after Game seven is the first trade made?
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Well, look, I mean the first trades already happened to me.
I mean that so look, we all have our eyes
on Durant. We're all waiting to see how that's going
to play out. But I mean Beshis and Orlando did
a deal on June fifteenth. I mean, that's crazy early.
That's ten days before the draft, right in the middle
of the finals. You know, it does kind of show
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you what it underlines and illustrates what a lot of
people are expecting. That's the kind of action they're expecting,
and it's going to have to all be trades because
nobody has cap space, and to be honest, the free
agent class isn't exactly teaming with superstar difference makers because
very rarely in the modern NBA do players wait for
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free agency. Everybody does an extension so they don't have
to deal with free agency. So we're going to see trades,
and you are going to see trades on Draft night
for sure, because picks are going to be moving around.
It's going to be you know, it will all it
will probably all be over by July fourth, but it
will be fireworks until July fourth. I'm pretty pretty.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Sure what happens. What happens with the Lakers and new ownership, Well, look.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
In the short term, in the short term, they have
to deal with a salary cap situation that they have,
which is they just don't have a great amount of flexibility.
But for the long term, I think you're going to
see there, you know, the way they've run the Dodgers.
I mean, obviously in baseball it's different because there are
no limits on free agency and they can sign Otani
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and then just keep signing great players. You obviously cannot
do that in the NBA, but they can. They can
beef up infrastructure, they can you know, by all accounts,
I don't see how this isn't a tremendous thing for
the Lakers. Now we'll have to see how long Jeanie
Buss actually remains as the operating owner of the team.
(27:13):
But the Dodgers and the Lakers already had a strong
working relationship as it is patic Johnson, Lon Rosen, these
are two of the most inteval figures with the Dodgers,
and they are you know, lifelong, lifelong Laker people. Really,
So I think a lot of teams in the NBA
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are nervous about it because again, you can't outspend. It's
not even in the NBA. It's not even just the
salary cap. It's when you go into the second apron
and just all the team building tools you lose. So
Steve Balmer has already run into the Steve Balmer would
spend anything you could to make the Clippers better. But
(27:57):
if you go in the second apron, you can't aggregate
salaries and trades, your draft picks get frozen. You just
run into all these issues building your team. So being
insanely rich it doesn't necessarily give you an advantage in
that space. But there are lots of other ways to
boost your organization and make things happen, and it's it's
(28:19):
a very it was a very eye catching development, no question.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, I mean my question is do they build their
own arena?
Speaker 8 (28:27):
You know, which they certainly can because they'll have the
finances to do it. But when you realize that it's
a purchase price of ten billion and the Lakers don't
have their own arena, it just tells you the value
of the Laker brand. I mean, Sportico valued the Lakers
at eight billion in December, they traded for Luka Doncic
(28:48):
in February, and now they're being sold for at least
ten million, a figure that some people within the industry
think can actually rise. And the Lakers don't own their.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Buildings, which is and actually, and one of the points
I'd make is normally your president, your GM, especially as
obviously Magic Johnson feels like he's going to try and
get back in there, and he and Polinka, I mean
that didn't work, but Polinka traded for Luca.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I don't see Polinka going anywhere.
Speaker 8 (29:17):
I don't know that Magic. I don't know what Magic
really wants. I mean, you know, Magic could have stayed
with the Lakers. You know, he's the one who left,
and you know he's he's doing things with the Dodgers.
He object has a zillion business interest. I mean, Magic
and Genie Buss have been closed for decades. If Magic
wants to register an opinion about the Lakers, that's never
(29:40):
been an issue for him. So I don't know that
it's going to change as dramatically as people think. But
you know, you look at the way they've run the
Dodgers and how could you if you if the Lakers
are your favorite basketball team, how could you not want
the same thing?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Nick Jou has been open for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Uh, they've been pushed away by several coaches who have
jobs and the organizations have you know, re upped Email Udoka,
Jason Kidd, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
What happens with the Knicks.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
Job, Well, they can afford to move Chlow because they
have the only opening in the league. But the reality
and look, there are very good coaches available and Taylor
Jenkins and Mike Brown both interviewed this week. But you know,
are the Knicks waiting because they're trying, you know, they
hope that someone on their initial wish list can somehow
(30:33):
become available. I mean, you just said it. Billy Donovan
I reported last weekend he's in the process of getting
an extension with the Bulls email Udoka and the and
the Rockets already announced an extension. So like, are the
Knicks can go as fast or slow here as they wish,
But again, it is going to if they hire the
(30:54):
available coaches Mike Brown, Taylor Jenkins, Michael Malone, Mike Budenolzer,
Frank Vogel, Like they're going to have to do a
press conference eventually where they have to explain to the public,
you know what number choice is it that they've hired.
I mean, they went for five fitting coaches and couldn't
speak to any of them. So it's going to be
(31:17):
it's going to be a very interesting cell to see
how the Knicks approached that, because again the shock that
Tom Thibodeau was not as significant as you would have thought.
The shock really stemmed from the fact that so many teams,
so many rival teams, looked at this and said, surely
the Knicks know the direction they're going if they're firing
(31:39):
the coach who's the most successful coach they've had in
the twenty first century. And as they've shown us, they
clearly they did not know who they could get after
firing Tom Thibodeaux. And that is where the shock factor lies.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
He is Mark Stein. He publishes a substack and you
need to download it. You need to read it. It's
the Steinline, longtime NBA reporter and insider. Ste Thanks so
much for joining us. Enjoy Game seven. We'll talk next week.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
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Speaker 2 (32:38):
What sound here? Come? Oh? Sorry my bad. Let's get
to the press. Dan Byro. What you got, Doug?
Speaker 6 (32:52):
We've got a landmark lawsuits in college athletics. Yahoo's Sports
obtaining documents of the law suit that is apparently the
first of its kind. The University of Wisconsin filing a
lawsuit against the University of Miami accusing them of poaching
a college football player that was under a revenue sharing
agreement in Madison.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, I mean I have friends that are lawyers and
that anything any ruling that comes down to, anything that
comes down, they try and take shots at it. This
is a big thing. I don't know, this is one
way in which you can stop it. There's a lot
of talk of and you're like, well, you can't. You know,
(33:35):
you can't limit somebody. It's like gay, what is the
point of a contract if they if you don't have
to live up to it, and if you violate that contract,
well there has to be some sort of penalty, just
like in anywhere else.
Speaker 9 (33:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
So if you're working for somebody or whatever, it's a
non compete clause, and I understand you're going to have
people will say, well, just make him employees.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
It is it.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
We've already gone down the path of essentially professionalized in
collegiate sports, and there is some good, there's a lot
of bad with it as well, But we go down
the path of employees. This will become the law. So
this is actually a good thing, But there's so much
other stuff. College sports exists in a tax free shelter. Okay,
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we have tax exempt status for things purchased by you
put make people employees. You run the risk of loot.
You likely lose that and as well as a bunch
of other things. But the tampering has to stop. Once
the guy signs a contract, that's where he plays. I
feel like we've been a victim of it. There's tampering
(34:51):
that goes on in season and even when you sign guys.
But I'm I'm happy, I'm I would support Madison in this.
Uh not just because there obviously the big school in
our system. But this is wrong. Miami's always cheated when
there were rules. Now when there's some gray rules, they
cheat now because that's what Miami does.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
So good for Wisconsin.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Doug in other news.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Miami, I said it mark it down. Everybody knows that
was the dirtiest football program for a long time. And
now that you are allowed to pay players, it's not
enough for Miami to just pay players. Now they got
to try and pay other people's players that are under contract.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
That's not right.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
Sorry, go ahead, that's okay. Indiana Fever guard Caitlin Clark
leed's all players in the WNBA and voting for the
WNBA All Star Game. Three other Fever players made the
top nine in voting, including a Leah Boston who comes
in third.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Not a surprise, Aliah Bosta coming in third A little
bit of surprise. Did you guys see that Stephanie White
stepped away from the team.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
Yeah, she didn't coach last night.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
And it's her birthday today too.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
But it's like, I mean, listen, if it's a real
family emergency, like go, But that's weird.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
She missed.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
I want to say she missed a week ago.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
She's either married to or she cohabitates with Lisa Salter's
ESPN's Lisa Salters. Something's going on with their families.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
I think, oh, okay, it's not surprising that the Fever players,
if you're voting at the arena, if they're putting seventeen
thousand in each night as well, like you would expect
that they're probably voting for their own players as well.
So there's another Caitlin Clark effect, but it maybe isn't
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necessarily Caitlin Clark effect. But it is Caitlin Clark effect anyway.
TV ratings for the in the US for the Stanley
Cup Final down a year ago. An average of two
point five million viewers watched on TNT. Now last year
was on Network TV was on ABC and average at
four point one seven million watched. The same matchup between
the Panthers and Oilers did get lower ratings than the
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Four Nations event for Nations face off that took place
in February.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah, I mean it's just cable to you know, the
same thing happens with the NCAA terminal when they moved
to TNG as opposed to CBS. The rating short lower
number two years ago when the women outrated the men.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
That's part of the stay.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
And I heard hockey people complaining about how long this
has taken, just like we complain about the NBA.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
I did the math.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
It would be week ten in the NFL right now.
If if it was week one when the NBA playoffs started,
that's where it would be. I think it probably dragged
down as well for hockey fans, and that's the press.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
That get out there and pressed.
Speaker 7 (37:35):
That was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
I think it's a great game seven Oklahoma City wins.
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parts Wisconsin and Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah, it's what we do by coastal.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
We'll bring up the Los Angeles because it brings up
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You'll never guess who stole the show at last night's
Pacer game, at least in the post game, Mark Stein
will join us twenty five after the hour. We'll ask
the steinline about Game seven, and of course about the
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stuff that I'm kind of remarkably more people seem to
care about, which is the non basketball of the NBA,
with trade and movements season just days away from taking place.
Got the press, got other things for you? Got all
the updates from the Travelers Championship VR guy Dan byer
(01:12):
So let's set it up. Last night was Dodgers Padres.
It's baseball, and you're like, whoa, whoa. You know, Game
six of the NBA Finals was last night, Gottley, but I
get it, okay, but Dodgers Padres and you had the uh,
you had the benches clear. You know, you had more
than a kerfuffle. Now this is a bit of a
(01:33):
beanball war that had begun previous days, right, and remember
you go back to last year when the Padres had
the Dodgers that was at two games to one Jase
two and seemed to have.
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Him dead to rights. Correct, And if you remember at
the time.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
The the Padres were, they were running their mouths and
again it's it's actually how they do what they do.
They have some guys that that's how they play. It's
how they play. It's a loud group. And then yeah,
Dave Roberts came up with some story of a ball
being thrown his direction and the pond for the review
(02:13):
it was not. But whatever it took, the Dodgers rallied,
won the series, went on to win the World Series.
So you don't just have two teams to spend a lot. Obviously,
Dodgers spend more. You have some bitterness, you know, between
the clubs over former Dodgers playing for the Padres. You
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have San Diego people, you know, let's just be honest.
They like Philadelphia, their little brother to Los Angeles. They
got some really cool things. Who doesn't love San Diego.
But there's definitely an insecurity there. And then you have
the idea that you know, two years ago Padres knocked
the Dodgers out of the playoffs. Last year they were
knocking on the door of it, talking a bunch of ish,
(02:53):
as the kids say, only to succumb to the Dodgers
and then ultimately Dodgers win the World Series.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
Then I summon up well out there, Jase two.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah, I think that's a good setup. I like to
just say that the Dodgers play the right way and
the Podreys do not. So this last night was the
fourth game of a four game series. Each game had
a significant amount of tension. Last night was pretty darn quiet.
In fact, the Dodgers did, I think what they've done
(03:25):
a couple times this year. It's an odd trait, but
they do it. They basically punted the game. It was
five to nothing in the ninth and Dave Roberts put
a rookie in just to kind of finish out the game.
A pitch gets away from the rookie and his tattoos
so look bad. But I really do think it got
away from him. So of course the Padres. They can't
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let sleeping dogs lie. They had to hit Shoho Tani
in the bottom of the ninth thankfully show hey, and
I want to say it's a cultural thing. He just
kind of wanted to de escalate. He's like, there's no
need to empty the benches again. But before that, there
was a significant brewja ha where Mike Shilty and Dave
(04:11):
Roberts got into it on the field. You rarely see
managers basically go up cap to CapMan start yelling at
each other. It was pretty exciting.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
The Padres feel like they've replaced the Giants. Is that
fair as the rival if you will, of the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (04:32):
Yeah, they really want to use the word rival. I
think even Daniel Jeremiah are our resident Padre fan. He
acknowledges it as the most exciting matchup in baseball right now.
That's a great way to say right now, in this moment.
But the Giants and Dodgers go back one hundred and
forty years.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
Yeah, it's kind of the only exciting, right because Cubs,
Cardinals not the same, Red Sox, Yankees not the same.
Speaker 4 (04:59):
Doug If I may, I feel like not being a
Dodgers fan around here and not being any connection to
the Padres either, but being from the Midwest, I feel
like there's a good analogy I've taken from college baseball
and what I mean football, Excuse me of what's gone
on with the pot with this Giants Dodgers Padres and
that Okay, the Dodgers are Michigan the Giants obviously are
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Ohio State, but Padres are Michigan State. They're the little brother,
and big brother never wants to admit little brother is
a rival until you really start to get punched in
the face and start getting really kind of upset about it.
And it feels like that's where we're at right now,
and that the Padres, like Dodgers, are having to reckon
the fact that hey, the Padres, your little brother, are
good enough to hang with you, and you're kind of
(05:44):
begrudgingly trying to find ways not to call them your
rival because you have this other rival over here.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
That you have so much more history with.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
I still think the Dodgers are the nemesis of the Padres.
I still think the Dodgers are the nemesis of the Padres.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
That's no, no, no, I'm just saying it's one it's one way.
It's the Padres absolutely think the Dodgers are their rival.
It's just the Dodgers fans would like to think it's
the Giants are their rival and not reciprocate it to
the Padres.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
No, the Giants have been the rival. Yeah, right, they
go back to New York together. That's that's the point
that that Jason was making. And the Giants have won.
Whether they win three World Series in six years or whatever,
I don't know. Buyer, what about you give me your thoughts.
Speaker 6 (06:29):
Yeah, the example that I would use is actually, dug
in your backyard, Packers Bears is the historic rivalry, but
the Packers Vikings is one of itself. And I always
just point to the Packer meme. The Packer joke is
an empty bookshelf or an empty trophy case. And then
(06:50):
then it's saying this is the Minnesota Vikings trophy case
where they like poke fun, but there is there is this.
I don't know if hatred is the right word, but
it sure gets to that way.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
I almost I don't.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
I don't want to say that the Bears and Packers
respect each other, but there is the tradition that Jason
Stewart talks about that is evident in the Packers and Bears,
Whereas when the Vikings came along, they were kind of
thought of as the new kid on the block as
in that division and with those teams. No offense to
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the Lions, but they just hadn't been a part of
the conversation until recently, where I feel like the Padres
play the role of the Vikings where they really haven't
won anything yet they're trying to be the rival of
the Dodgers. And sure Minnesota may get the best of
green Bay here or there, they don't have any Super
Bowl trophies to show for it, where green Bay does,
and Chicago's got their history and they do have a
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Super Bowl. But that's how I kind of feel about
the rivalry. To compare it to another sports rivalry.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Here's another kind of point to add to your point,
you know, to add to your point, dan Is, I
think the Vikings thing has always been Yeah, they haven't
won anything whatever. Adding Farv changed it's some, right, I'm
sure is that fair?
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And then adding Manny changed it some for the Padres
and the Dodgers.
Speaker 5 (08:20):
Yeah, different levels, but because many you know wasn't.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Yeah, Mandy Machada was only a Dodger for like a
like a minute, right, as opposed to Farv was forever.
But part of it was, you know, Manny's a guy
who you know when he first got there, really liked
to talk some.
Speaker 6 (08:36):
There's what there's also the just the geography of it, yes,
which you don't plays such a role. And it's interesting
because where you are right now, there is nothing more
annoying to someone from Wisconsin than a car with an
Illinois license plate on it in the summertime. Like it's true,
and I think that you would look at the Twin
Cities and even though Minnesota is Minneapolis right on the
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border basically between Wisconsin and Minnesota, like the Packer fans
are so prevalent. It's not like there's Minnesota fans in
western Wisconsin. It's all Green Bay. And it actually maybe
the other way around that. There are you know, Packer
fans in the Twin Cities area and so there's a
weird blend there of fans and kids who go to
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high school in Minnesota they go to Wisconsin, you know,
possibly I you know, bunch of friends of mine are
from the state of Minnesota, so you have that crossover Chicago.
Speaker 5 (09:30):
Same thing.
Speaker 6 (09:30):
Geography just plays such a huge role of it, of
the blend of the of the cities and whatnot. Yet
there is a separation specifically with the Giants and Dodgers
because it's northern California southern Calilifornia, and there's that straight line,
you know, Gurnie Mills is the state line with Wisconsin
and Illinois.
Speaker 5 (09:50):
So there's something to that as well.
Speaker 7 (09:51):
Well.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I think because the trophy case is empty, it means
these small victories you get over the Dodgers mean a
lot more again to the Michigan State Michigan thing to like,
I know, a bunch of Michigan State fans. They still
hold onto the trouble with the snap game where Michigan
loses that game by bobbling the punt and it gets
straighted and it gets stripped out, taken into the end zone,
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no time left for the touchdown.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
But like that's held on too by the Little Brothers.
Speaker 6 (10:15):
How many Michigan State Michigan games now there have been
fights afterwards, And I go back to even of what
we see last night with the Padres, to Jason's point,
where a lot of this is San Diego instigated. It
feels like like the Packers aren't innocent in the Bears
rivalry from the nineteen eighties when Green Bay wasn't anything
and the Bears were dominant, and he had Charles Martin
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throwing Jim McMahon to the ground. You got players shoving
players into opposing benches. Like there is a bit of
that as well with it when you're talking about a rivalry.
But sometimes it's the team that doesn't want anything that
seems to stoop to a lower level that then makes
it a rivalry or something that has to be dealt with.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Like what I like about the Michigan State analogy, and
I'm not from there, so this is kind of an
outside looking in perspective. Michigan State seems to play the
role of the Podres in this and that it's only
quote a rivalry when the Padres have a good team,
you know, Michigan is the juggernaut there. And when Michigan
State has a good team, then I think they consider
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themselves that rival.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
It's just ten years ago with Nardoozy as the coach,
when they were like of equal standing for ones.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
It just doesn't happen all the time. Dodgers and Giants
are the Ohio State Michigan. They're always going to be
kind of the halves and the teams that are the
biggest rival. But yeah, when Michigan State's really good, I
guess that's when the rivalry kind of kicks in. That's
the same way the Potterys are good now and they're
ride and high, and we all know it'll go away
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sooner than later.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
You know what I find to be the best part
of it is, did you guys see show Hey when
he got hit?
Speaker 2 (11:55):
First?
Speaker 1 (11:55):
You know, he got hit in the leg, and look
when they ding show Hey, that three hit a guy? Right,
it still hurts in the thigh, but that's what you're
supposed to do. But you know, one he pointed the dugout,
I'm good, and then two he's literally laughing. He's laughing
at them. You know, I think that's that's that's perfect
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big brother material right there.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Can I tell you what popped into my head, which
I go, so, I totally get when you're from a
foreign country and you're speaking with the media, you want
to make sure that your words are exact. Hideki Matsuyama
does it on the PGA tour, uses an interpreter to
speak with the media. But Sho he was talking to
Luisa Rayes and was talking to is the cronin Worth.
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They were having a conversation, and so then you're like, Okay, well,
then why is show he having an interpreter always with
the team right places? Bet, I didn't want to say it.
I didn't want to say it. I get the media
aspect of it. You don't want to say something that
you know could be wrong because maybe you don't speak
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as fluent in that language. But I just thought it
was interesting that he was having full blown conversations with
whoever was at first for the Padres at that time
last night.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah, yeah, it could have been like Serrano though in
Major League.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
You bring that to me, man, you bring that to me.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Could we play Shilty last night because he's got himself
a red ass and there was just a great exchange
last night where Shilty and Roberts are yelling at each other.
Roberts was using blue language, the rookie who came in
in the ninth that hit tattoo.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
What is blue language?
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Huh? What like in comedy?
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Just you know, foul words.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
I want to know, are you calling shilty like as
a nickname.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
I've never heard shilty before?
Speaker 8 (13:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (13:55):
Like, what's his name? Mike Shilt? Oh?
Speaker 6 (13:57):
I thought it was like like you like, oh, that's fun,
previous history with them?
Speaker 1 (14:01):
Yeah, I guarantee in the club I tell you, in
the clubhouse, he's s shelty.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
Yes, that's what I thought too.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Just listen to the how worked up he is?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
You have that the Mike Shultz sound? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:15):
Yeah, but which one? We've got two different Mike Shilts
and we're playing baduction. Okay, okay, the bottom one.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Oh no, tatis got hit and little of the rookie
spins tatis around.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
Mike Shilt is furious coming out of the dugout.
Speaker 7 (14:30):
Did you think the pitch was intentional to hit fatist tonight?
Speaker 2 (14:33):
And that's possible.
Speaker 9 (14:34):
I'd like to think not, but I can't say that.
Only a couple of people know that. And whether it
was or it wasn't, enough is enough. You know, we
got a guy who's getting x rayge right now, it's
one of the best players in the game, of course
on our team, and this guy's getting has taken shots
and before the series, you know we hadn't. And I
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can back this up with complete evidence. You know, track
records speak for themselves. The teams that I managed don't
get into alter case like this because teams I've managed
don't throw with people. But also teams I managed don't
take anything. And after a while, I'm not going to
take it, and I'm not going to take it on
behalf of Toddy. I'm not going to take it on
behalf of our team. Intentional aren't intentional truly, that's simple.
That's how this game's played. And you want to call
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that old school, then yeah, we'll play.
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Old school baseball.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
I don't mind old school baseball. I think baseball needs this.
It just does. And look, you know, I've heard people
who have no sense of history and they talk about
basketball and they let them fight, and it's like, okay,
you don't remember Kermit Washington and what happened there. Obviously,
you know, the pushing and the shoving. It's a lot.
(15:42):
We've seen some brawls, but again, just the idea of
a little bit of beanball, guys being managers coming out
and going chess to chess, like, I gotta tell you
it's it's it's actually really good.
Speaker 5 (15:55):
I'll also say this, that's just shilty being shilty. You know,
that's that's it's all it is. Yeah, that's so shilty
right there.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, you know shilty, you know,
shilty at Murph and Smitty. Yeah, shilty Murph and Smithy,
those guys are they're all cut from the.
Speaker 5 (16:11):
Same d Rob comes out.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
It was like, you know, it's Stuck got Lieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Uh oh that was fun.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
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Speaker 1 (16:32):
Live Stuck Gottleeb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. So
I was watching the postgame coverage on NBA TV last
night and t J McConnell's up there, and I've heard
TJ mcconnald say playing hard as a skill, and it's
it's you know, you got a lot of buddies out
there and they'll text you be.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Like yo, that was you.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Your TJ McConnell like I was in TJ McConnell, like
I there were things I did better than Asian McConnell.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
But I didn't. I don't. I'm not.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
I was not as tough as and played as hard
as that guy plays.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Right, And yeah, it is a skill.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
It's something that everybody thinks that there are I'm gonna
guess one hundred thousand guys who played minor league basketball,
who played overseas. They watch and they look at TJ McConnell,
and I like, I'll tell you, honestly, I did it
when he first got into the league. And you're like,
Tejer mcconnald's in the league. Come on, I'm better than
(17:31):
TEJ McConnell. Then you watch him play, You're like, I
didn't play as hard as teacher McConnell plays.
Speaker 10 (17:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
Then his dad pops up.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
When he's at the NBA TV desk and does.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
This, tops, I got one question for you. Why Why
were you harder on him and softer on your daughter?
Speaker 7 (17:55):
He says that it's true.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It's true.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
True.
Speaker 10 (18:00):
Daughter was undefeated state championship. He lost in the state championship.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
We lost two.
Speaker 10 (18:05):
Games, so undefeated he didn't play as well. In the
state championship. He played great, but we didn't win it.
Speaker 3 (18:17):
Now she's with the Mercury.
Speaker 10 (18:18):
So I can't be more proud to say I have
a son in the NBA and I have a daughter
in the w n b A. This is a dream
come true, and I'm going to okayc for my son
to play in the championship game, win the world Cham's.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
It's an unbelievable story. Is his his daughter just made
the w n b A Stut GOTTLIEBP show Here on
Fox Sports Radio, Mark Stein joints this. You know, Mark,
I I just told I just said it straight up, like,
don't tell me you're a sports fan, you're not gonna
watch game seven. This has been a good entertaining series
and it's one game.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
To decide who wins the championship.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
But your honest reactionship, if I told you at any
point in time before the playoffs and maybe sometime in
the playoffs, that the finals would go to seven games
and that it would be decided between the Pacers and
Oklahoma City, what would you have said, in say, November.
Speaker 8 (19:14):
Well, the Oklahoma City part that was feasible and certainly
the way the regular season played out. But look, I've
been racking my brain. I think you know me pretty
well by now. You know I love my NBA history.
They still have to win one more game, and it's
going to be a very hard game to win. And
we saw in the Denver series that everybody thought Okac
was in trouble and they won Game seven in a runaway.
(19:38):
So it is a tall order to go on the
road and win a game seven. But if the Pacers
can win that Game seven, I have never seen a
better story as an NBA champion. I mean, I think
they are the ultimate Cinderellas in terms of winning it all. Now,
the very first year that I really really really dialed
(20:00):
into the NBA, the very first year nineteen seventy seven
seventy eight, that is a very special season in my
basketball nerd life. And the Washington Bullets won it all
as a forty four and thirty eighteen, so by record
you would say, okay, that was a longer shot. And
then the Houston Rockets won it all in ninety five
(20:21):
as a sixth seed, but they were the defending champions.
And that seventy seven to seventy eight season was a
weird one because the Blazers were defending champions, started fifty
to ten and Walton got hurt, and so that was
a weird year. And the NBA was much much different
back then. In the modern NBA, what the Pacers are
doing again, they've still got them, got to finish it,
(20:44):
and they've got to win one more and it might
be the toughest game of the old season. But it
has been an absolute It's just surprise after surprise after
surprise after surprise. It has been a tremendous story.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
Gotlieb's show here on sports Radio. Okay, I was gonnak.
Speaker 8 (21:03):
I was gonna ask you, is there is there any
other team in your lifetime that you feel like is
a more would be a more surprising champion than these guys.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
No, No, I really don't and and and I don't
think you can compare any other sport anyway, uh just
because baseball maybe somebody again baseball could be so random,
you know.
Speaker 2 (21:28):
Uh, but in the.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
NBA, keeping the NBA because like bringing difficult, so surely
surely with your with NBA goggles on, it is it's ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
Well again, and I'll credit you, Jaseu, because you mentioned
the Raptors. The Raptors had been closed before added Kawhi Leonard,
and I think they had had the best record in
the easton years before Raptors.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
The Raptors acquired to find a previous Finals MVP. They
also made a mid season trade for Mark Gasol, one
of the best defensive centers of his generation. And look,
I'm not saying Toronto's title wasn't surprising, but again, they
traded for Kawhi Leonard with one year on his contract
(22:18):
for one reason and one reason only to finally do
it in the playoffs after falling short countless times. And
obviously Golden State's injuries were a factor in that series
that finals as well, But I think the Pacers are
It's a more the Pacers two best players, Alibert and
(22:41):
siafam These these are not They did not have Kawhi
Leonards resume.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
No, no, not not even close. But again, there's there
is something. There's there's something to this, and you know, look,
I think the pace of play has been awesome. The
market size I think adds to it. Right with Oklahoma
City and Indianapolis, all of this has been great. If
(23:09):
Oklahoma City wins it, undoubtedly we'll get the.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Beginning of a new dynasty when we don't know that.
That's just it's just too early. If Indiana wins it,
what will the narrative be.
Speaker 8 (23:24):
Well, Look, I would say if OKC does win, I mean,
they are one of the few teams equipped in this
new NBA to have a dynasty because they have so
much optionality with their draft picks that they're going to
be able to move salary out but bring new players in. Like,
they are so well set up for the future. So
(23:47):
in okay C's case, the talk is unavoidable and it
will be justified. Look, coming into this finals, I dubbed
it the Vibes Finals because we had Miles Turner before
this series saying that our team men and their team
are fueled by the power of friendship, which, like, I
(24:07):
don't know how sustainable that is, but I can promise
you there are a lot of teams out there that
hope Miles Turner is correct, because friendship is something you
can build without messing up your salary caps. So look,
I don't know how sustainable it is. I don't know
how replicable it is, if that's even a word, But
(24:28):
I mean this, you know it would be. It would
also you know, it gives hope to the whole league
because the Pacers have done it, like you said, with pace,
but also with depth. They have gone for Haliburton and
Yakam are two very good players. I mean, don't get
me wrong, these are two of the fifteen or twenty
(24:50):
best players in the league. But they it's the depth
that they put around them too. Like they are not
trying to do it as a super team whatsoever.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Stug Gottlieb show Fox Sports Trader, that's the voice of
Mark Stein.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
Mark. How long after Game seven is the first trade made?
Speaker 8 (25:16):
Well, look, I mean the first trades already happened to me.
I mean that so look, we all have our eyes
on Durant. We're all waiting to see how that's going
to play out. But I mean Beshis and Orlando did
a deal on June fifteenth. I mean, that's crazy early.
That's ten days before the draft, right in the middle
of the finals. You know, it does kind of show
(25:37):
you what it underlines and illustrates what a lot of
people are expecting. That's the kind of action they're expecting,
and it's going to have to all be trades because
nobody has cap space, and to be honest, the free
agent class isn't exactly teaming with superstar difference makers because
very rarely in the modern NBA do players wait for
(25:58):
free agency. Everybody does an extension so they don't have
to deal with free agency. So we're going to see trades,
and you are going to see trades on Draft night
for sure, because picks are going to be moving around.
It's going to be you know, it will all it
will probably all be over by July fourth, but it
will be fireworks until July fourth. I'm pretty pretty.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Sure what happens. What happens with the Lakers and new ownership, Well, look.
Speaker 8 (26:27):
In the short term, in the short term, they have
to deal with a salary cap situation that they have,
which is they just don't have a great amount of flexibility.
But for the long term, I think you're going to
see there, you know, the way they've run the Dodgers.
I mean, obviously in baseball it's different because there are
no limits on free agency and they can sign Otani
(26:48):
and then just keep signing great players. You obviously cannot
do that in the NBA, but they can. They can
beef up infrastructure, they can you know, by all accounts,
I don't see how this isn't a tremendous thing for
the Lakers. Now we'll have to see how long Jeanie
Buss actually remains as the operating owner of the team.
(27:13):
But the Dodgers and the Lakers already had a strong
working relationship as it is patic Johnson, Lon Rosen, these
are two of the most inteval figures with the Dodgers,
and they are you know, lifelong, lifelong Laker people. Really,
So I think a lot of teams in the NBA
(27:36):
are nervous about it because again, you can't outspend. It's
not even in the NBA. It's not even just the
salary cap. It's when you go into the second apron
and just all the team building tools you lose. So
Steve Balmer has already run into the Steve Balmer would
spend anything you could to make the Clippers better. But
(27:57):
if you go in the second apron, you can't aggregate
salaries and trades, your draft picks get frozen. You just
run into all these issues building your team. So being
insanely rich it doesn't necessarily give you an advantage in
that space. But there are lots of other ways to
boost your organization and make things happen, and it's it's
(28:19):
a very it was a very eye catching development, no question.
Speaker 1 (28:22):
Yeah, I mean my question is do they build their
own arena?
Speaker 8 (28:27):
You know, which they certainly can because they'll have the
finances to do it. But when you realize that it's
a purchase price of ten billion and the Lakers don't
have their own arena, it just tells you the value
of the Laker brand. I mean, Sportico valued the Lakers
at eight billion in December, they traded for Luka Doncic
(28:48):
in February, and now they're being sold for at least
ten million, a figure that some people within the industry
think can actually rise. And the Lakers don't own their.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Buildings, which is and actually, and one of the points
I'd make is normally your president, your GM, especially as
obviously Magic Johnson feels like he's going to try and
get back in there, and he and Polinka, I mean
that didn't work, but Polinka traded for Luca.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I don't see Polinka going anywhere.
Speaker 8 (29:17):
I don't know that Magic. I don't know what Magic
really wants. I mean, you know, Magic could have stayed
with the Lakers. You know, he's the one who left,
and you know he's he's doing things with the Dodgers.
He object has a zillion business interest. I mean, Magic
and Genie Buss have been closed for decades. If Magic
wants to register an opinion about the Lakers, that's never
(29:40):
been an issue for him. So I don't know that
it's going to change as dramatically as people think. But
you know, you look at the way they've run the
Dodgers and how could you if you if the Lakers
are your favorite basketball team, how could you not want
the same thing?
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Nick Jou has been open for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
Uh, they've been pushed away by several coaches who have
jobs and the organizations have you know, re upped Email Udoka,
Jason Kidd, et cetera.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
What happens with the Knicks.
Speaker 8 (30:11):
Job, Well, they can afford to move Chlow because they
have the only opening in the league. But the reality
and look, there are very good coaches available and Taylor
Jenkins and Mike Brown both interviewed this week. But you know,
are the Knicks waiting because they're trying, you know, they
hope that someone on their initial wish list can somehow
(30:33):
become available. I mean, you just said it. Billy Donovan
I reported last weekend he's in the process of getting
an extension with the Bulls email Udoka and the and
the Rockets already announced an extension. So like, are the
Knicks can go as fast or slow here as they wish,
But again, it is going to if they hire the
(30:54):
available coaches Mike Brown, Taylor Jenkins, Michael Malone, Mike Budenolzer,
Frank Vogel, Like they're going to have to do a
press conference eventually where they have to explain to the public,
you know what number choice is it that they've hired.
I mean, they went for five fitting coaches and couldn't
speak to any of them. So it's going to be
(31:17):
it's going to be a very interesting cell to see
how the Knicks approached that, because again the shock that
Tom Thibodeau was not as significant as you would have thought.
The shock really stemmed from the fact that so many teams,
so many rival teams, looked at this and said, surely
the Knicks know the direction they're going if they're firing
(31:39):
the coach who's the most successful coach they've had in
the twenty first century. And as they've shown us, they
clearly they did not know who they could get after
firing Tom Thibodeaux. And that is where the shock factor lies.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
He is Mark Stein. He publishes a substack and you
need to download it. You need to read it. It's
the Steinline, longtime NBA reporter and insider. Ste Thanks so
much for joining us. Enjoy Game seven. We'll talk next week.
Speaker 8 (32:05):
Could be so hard on yourself. You were not TJ McConnell,
but you could pass a little, So don't ooe easy
on yourself.
Speaker 7 (32:13):
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Speaker 2 (32:38):
What sound here? Come? Oh? Sorry my bad. Let's get
to the press. Dan Byro. What you got, Doug?
Speaker 6 (32:52):
We've got a landmark lawsuits in college athletics. Yahoo's Sports
obtaining documents of the law suit that is apparently the
first of its kind. The University of Wisconsin filing a
lawsuit against the University of Miami accusing them of poaching
a college football player that was under a revenue sharing
agreement in Madison.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, I mean I have friends that are lawyers and
that anything any ruling that comes down to, anything that
comes down, they try and take shots at it. This
is a big thing. I don't know, this is one
way in which you can stop it. There's a lot
of talk of and you're like, well, you can't. You know,
(33:35):
you can't limit somebody. It's like gay, what is the
point of a contract if they if you don't have
to live up to it, and if you violate that contract,
well there has to be some sort of penalty, just
like in anywhere else.
Speaker 9 (33:47):
You know.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
So if you're working for somebody or whatever, it's a
non compete clause, and I understand you're going to have
people will say, well, just make him employees.
Speaker 2 (34:03):
It is it.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
We've already gone down the path of essentially professionalized in
collegiate sports, and there is some good, there's a lot
of bad with it as well, But we go down
the path of employees. This will become the law. So
this is actually a good thing, But there's so much
other stuff. College sports exists in a tax free shelter. Okay,
(34:28):
we have tax exempt status for things purchased by you
put make people employees. You run the risk of loot.
You likely lose that and as well as a bunch
of other things. But the tampering has to stop. Once
the guy signs a contract, that's where he plays. I
feel like we've been a victim of it. There's tampering
(34:51):
that goes on in season and even when you sign guys.
But I'm I'm happy, I'm I would support Madison in this.
Uh not just because there obviously the big school in
our system. But this is wrong. Miami's always cheated when
there were rules. Now when there's some gray rules, they
cheat now because that's what Miami does.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
So good for Wisconsin.
Speaker 5 (35:13):
Doug in other news.
Speaker 1 (35:15):
Miami, I said it mark it down. Everybody knows that
was the dirtiest football program for a long time. And
now that you are allowed to pay players, it's not
enough for Miami to just pay players. Now they got
to try and pay other people's players that are under contract.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
That's not right.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
Sorry, go ahead, that's okay. Indiana Fever guard Caitlin Clark
leed's all players in the WNBA and voting for the
WNBA All Star Game. Three other Fever players made the
top nine in voting, including a Leah Boston who comes
in third.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Not a surprise, Aliah Bosta coming in third A little
bit of surprise. Did you guys see that Stephanie White
stepped away from the team.
Speaker 5 (35:54):
Yeah, she didn't coach last night.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
And it's her birthday today too.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
But it's like, I mean, listen, if it's a real
family emergency, like go, But that's weird.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
She missed.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
I want to say she missed a week ago.
Speaker 3 (36:07):
She's either married to or she cohabitates with Lisa Salter's
ESPN's Lisa Salters. Something's going on with their families.
Speaker 6 (36:16):
I think, oh, okay, it's not surprising that the Fever players,
if you're voting at the arena, if they're putting seventeen
thousand in each night as well, like you would expect
that they're probably voting for their own players as well.
So there's another Caitlin Clark effect, but it maybe isn't
(36:38):
necessarily Caitlin Clark effect. But it is Caitlin Clark effect anyway.
TV ratings for the in the US for the Stanley
Cup Final down a year ago. An average of two
point five million viewers watched on TNT. Now last year
was on Network TV was on ABC and average at
four point one seven million watched. The same matchup between
the Panthers and Oilers did get lower ratings than the
(37:00):
Four Nations event for Nations face off that took place
in February.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Yeah, I mean it's just cable to you know, the
same thing happens with the NCAA terminal when they moved
to TNG as opposed to CBS. The rating short lower
number two years ago when the women outrated the men.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
That's part of the stay.
Speaker 6 (37:16):
And I heard hockey people complaining about how long this
has taken, just like we complain about the NBA.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
I did the math.
Speaker 6 (37:23):
It would be week ten in the NFL right now.
If if it was week one when the NBA playoffs started,
that's where it would be. I think it probably dragged
down as well for hockey fans, and that's the press.
Speaker 5 (37:34):
That get out there and pressed.
Speaker 7 (37:35):
That was the press.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
I think it's a great game seven Oklahoma City wins.
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