May 2, 2025 • 36 mins
Doug and Dan Beyer discuss the value of company branded arenas. Doug talks about the clutchness of Jalen Brunson. Doug welcomes former NBA champion and former player of Gregg Popovich Antonio Daniels onto the show to talk about the legendary coach stepping down and to talk about the NBA Playoffs. Plus, Dan takes Doug through The Press.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:23):
Gottlieb Show, Every day, same time, same channel. We've been
doing this for a minute, kids. I do feel like
this is one of those asked the coach moments we'll
get to in a second where the New York the
New York Knicks get a road win over the Detroit Pistons.
(00:44):
We were talking about this last hour. You just listened
to the show. Chris Purfetts on board today. He's on
the ones and twos. He's a Detroit guy. Of course,
you got Jay stew and my main guy, Dan Byer,
who of course you'll hear throughout the show and on updates,
and you'll hear Sunday as he gets like the greatest
job of all time is watching games and getting to
talk about them as they happen. So you're like the
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rest of us are Sundays, you know, whether you're inside,
outside chasing kids around or hanging out. And he's like, yeah,
I was working, but I was watching sports, and he
loves sports. So that game last night was fun. It
was fun. I think it's interesting how perception and reality
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don't actually match up. You'll have people to go like,
I'm done with the NBA, I won't watch the NBA.
It's like, okay, well I watched the NBA because I
love basketball and I love playoffs sports of most every kind.
And do we remember that the football playoffs? Many of
those games were kind of boring. And last night I'm
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watching that Pistons game with the Knicks and I'm like,
this is a hell of a basketball game. And then
I'm watching Clippers and Nuggets. I'm like, this is the
hell of a game. Haven't you guys been into it?
The new into it down?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'm not into it. I do not either. I have
not been there.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
It does look cool, it does look kind of unique
where they have the wall the wall. It is weird though,
that a play that a franchise that has traditionally had
some of the worst fans and worst teams in professional sports.
Has this one area dedicated to like home course, it's
a great idea that you feel like college fans should have.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I feel that that whole area is is weird. And
I know the Forum, the Forum was redone and is
a great concert venue. But for for them to then
just build basically a new arena a block away just
seems I don't know, Like it's it's funny that there
wasn't like an effort to ever put any more sports
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into the Forum.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
That's a great that's a great point.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Are to derail the topic, But.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
No, no, it's actually not a bad topic. The weird
part about it for people who aren't from Los Angeles. Okay,
so it's all LA and is Inglewood technically a city
like you. They have their own mayor and voting body,
they don't have their own school district. I don't know
how it all works, but Inglewood, I guess, is a
city within the city of Los Angeles. Maybe it's its
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own city. But Inglewood was called City of Champions, so
they used to have Hollywood Park, which was obviously a
horse racing park, which now is Sofi Stadium. They used
to have the Forum as a basketball venue versus the Forum,
the Fabulous Forum. Then it was the great Western Forum
for a long time. Shout out to great Western Bank.
Does a great Western Bank still exist? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I don't know, but I didn't realize that there was
great Western Bank. As someone who grew up in the Midwest,
I just thought that they just remained with the great
Western Forum. Kind of like how Staples became so synonymous
with that arena that I don't think Staples got anything
from it. There was zero. Nobody was like, well, I'm
going to go and get my highlighters now from Staples.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Does any does that actually work for anything?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I think it does for a little while.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I think, give me, give me, give me the place
that it works for.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I think that any like state, like, for example, Staples,
probably at first people are like, oh, I'm gonna go
to Staples. I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, but do you you go, Like if you're going
to Staples, then you see an office deep You're like,
you know, it's the same thing.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I think after a while it became so synonymous with
that it runs its course. But when you're a new
brand trying to get out there. I do feel that
there is there is value to it.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Has anybody invested in crypto because of Crypto Arena?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
No, what I guarantee people went to crypto dot com.
I'm sorry, Jason's got his hands out of his head.
I've completely derailed the topic. I don't think I think
it was. Actually, no, we don't have to. This is
actually an interesting topic, right. I'm a marketing major, a
marketing degree from the Spears School of Busines at Oklahoma
State University, and it's one of those things that it
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actually in the business of sports. It's incredibly valuable to
sell these pieces. But does it actually does anyone?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Like? I think that? Is it still the Target Center
in Minnesota. Scott Shapiro is going to be texting us
at some point. Our boss is a Timberwolves fan.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
That's that's what I call it.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
But it's I think it's still the Target Center. And
so that one makes sense because though Target is, you know,
everyone knows the Target is, not like, oh my god, Target,
I didn't know what Target was. You didn't know it
was based in Minneapolis until you heard the Target Center
was in Minneapolis. But has I want you to try
and be honest. Is there ever have you ever gone
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and shopped anywhere looked anything up? Not do people, because
I think You're probably right Dan and that people there's
there has to be people who search these places when
they see it. But have you personally? Has there ever
been a venue like MetLife? If you're going to like, oh, MetLife,
you know what, I'm going to go and turn my
is it portfolio? Is it? What is MetLife? I don't
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even know? Is it healthcare? Has anybody ever actually.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Gets health here?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah? Yeah, has anybody like.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I was going to use some other healthcare service, but
the giants playing MetLife, So now I'm going to go
and use MetLife.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Well, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure's a provider for
like companies to give insurance to their employees. So it's
it's like a corporate, corporate kind of sponsor.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I'll say this during the Final Fours and Super Bowls
when you're or World Series whatever. I just know during
the Final four when there's like a pizza tie in
to the Final four or like Buffalo Wild Wings, has
it pizza? That advertising does work now in the name
brand of constantly saying crypto dot com. If I wanted
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to get into crypto, I think the first place that
I would probably go is Crypto dot com.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I just want to know, you know, the Detroit Pistons
moved to Little Caesars Arena down from the Palace of
Auburn Hills, and they missed the opportunity to call it
the Little Caesar's Pizza Palace.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Why would they call it the Pizza Pizza.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Palace, Pizza pizza Palace.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
There you got Little Caesars.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Even though the Palace of Auburn Hills saw some great basketball,
the location wasn't necessarily ideal. And that's the point of
the Forum of if you're now building an arena a
block away next to an NFL stadium. And again I understand,
I went, I've been to a concert at the at
the Forum, but it just seems like that venue would
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have been one to save or to try to refurbish
or make new again instead of just going and building
an entirely new one.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
But well, I would I would tell you a couple
of things. The Forum is owned by the MSG people. Yeah,
I don't mean Monasta'm glod to I mean MSG.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Like James Dolemgarden.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, yeah, James Dolt, so they owned it, they turned
to a concert concert venue, whereas into it is a
piece of land that was bought by Steve Bohmer and
they they developed it on their own. So some of
it is like who owns it or whatever. I would
also tell you that I think though renovating it sounds
like a really cool idea when it was renovated for concerts,
as you pointed out, but two, like you know they'd
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have to renovate. I mean they have to basically go
down to the studs to do it for a for
a basketball venue, as how different basketball venues are.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I also think that the history of the Lakers in
that building, for the Clippers to take it over, for
the Clippers trying to form their own identity would be cool. Yes, well,
I think them separating it and saying like, we're not
going to do something that the Lakers did because we've
always been in the Lakers shadow. I get not wanting
to go there, but like that that stadium, the arena
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that they redid in Seattle to reconfigure and make ready
for the Craft to go in. Yes, basically the roof
was put on stilts, yeah, you know, and then they
redid the whole thing. So when you're doing that sort
of work to keep the roof because it was a
protected landmark to be able to go to those lengths,
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I just was surprised that maybe similar efforts weren't made
for a place like the Forum. I get some places
are just, you know, way gone. There's nothing you can
do about it, and you just have to move on
from the facility. But it's just funny that the Forum
is still standing in a refurbished way, and then a
block down the road there's a brand new NBA arena
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that's going to host the All Star Game next year,
and the whole deal.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Well, that's part of the thing though, is that they did.
They came into city of champions, known for the Lakers
and built their own arena. And I still think the
window is there for them. It's closing because my guess
would be that at some point the Lakers figure it
out with Luca, but there still is a if the
Clippers could ever figure it out and build a consistent winner,
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they have a better arena.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
They have a better arena, sure.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
But it's hard to conceive that they're still like the Nets,
where no matter what the Nets do, They're not the Knicks.
No matter what the Clippers do, they're not the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And outside of Madison Square Garden, I don't know how
many historic places we now have in the NBA, right,
I mean, like the TV gardens Bend there forever. But
it's not the Boston Garden, right. I mean, it's not
the Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Robert Parrish going back to
Celtic City in the whole deal. Like, it's still a
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newer facility. There aren't any places that you can really
do that anymore. Has everybody's got a new arena.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so the last night was played at is it the
Little Caesars Arena or Little Caesars Coliseum?
Speaker 6 (10:53):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
The arena Little Caesar Arena.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Okay. So Jalen Brunson was magnificent. He h's a game
winning three point shot. Here's Tom Thibodeau, Hiss head coach,
talk about Jalen Brunson's mental tools.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
That's what makes him so special. And you know we
talk about, you know, the all the intangibles that it's
his makeup and oftentimes you know that's that's where mistakes
I think are made in the draft and things like that.
And there's it's easy to see like how many points
of guy scores or what the physical tools tools are,
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but when you look at the mental tools, that's everything.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, there was a certain radio host who when he
signed as a free agent with the Knicks said he
is a force multiplier and he's worth every penny because
remember when he signed with the next beer like, oh,
the Knicks paid too much, right, they only gave him,
you know, it was like fifty something million over three years,
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but they I can't remember the exact number. But they
also hired his dad. And my point is that that
Jalen Brunson is a culture changer. I didn't know he
had that level of offensive scoring in his bag. He's
become way better than even I could have ever thought
he was. But the point is that you needed you
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need somebody to believe in the process that you're tried
to embark on. And you know, Tibbs identified him, got
his dad there. You know, the president is he's a
former client of the president, so he is a walking,
talking billboard in the locker room for what you're building
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in New York. And he is a guy that everybody
respects in basketball. People respect guys that get more out
of their god given talent than they should. He's not
super tall, he's not super athletic. He's just super tough
and unbelievably skilled. Unbelievably skilled. And you know, I at
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the time, I felt like I was like the lone
defender of this move, Like, what are the Knicks doing? Now?
Does that mean they're gonna win NBA championship? No, there's
an expression in the NBA where they say, hey, that's
great defense, just better offense. I thought that's what happened
in the last play. But you guys have been asking me,
and people ask me, like, don't you double team him there?
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I don't think so that. The spacing is so different
in the NBA, and guys are so skilled, and you remember,
players don't miss open shots, they just don't. And if
you put two on the basketball, somebody's wide open. Now
you could make the case that hey, he was wide
open there because he made an insane move against Sewer
Thompson that he Sewer Thompson, you know, slipped and kind
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of slid. It was almost out of a movie. It
was the Michael Jordan push off without him actually pushing off,
because it was a sewer Thompson who kind of slipped
and got his momentum, you know, go in that direction
towards the sideline. That's as good a shot, a good
move as you're ever gonna find, without any sort of
push off, without any sort of potential offensive foul. I
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thought it was amazing prefet as a Pistons guy, as
a Detroit guy. Can you are you like that? We
should have double teamed him? He's the because remember he
got the Clutch Award for the most clutch player in
the NBA. I was listening to Dan Patrick earlier today
and he's like, hey, he's the most clutch player in
the NBA. Who'd you think was going to take the shot?
And my point is, yeah, I mean, you could have
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run two Adam. But if you run two Adam, you're
automatically in scramble. You're in scramble and somebody's going to
be wide open for a dunk or for a layup,
and it might well be Jalen Runson.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, I think in that moment, like all you can
do is have the defender on him and just hope
it doesn't get out of hand. But the point is
you don't want to even give the Knicks the life
in that game. And it feels like every last game
in this the Pistons just let the Knicks come back
in to this. Like if if you want an answer
on how to stop Jalen Brunson, it's don't play Usar
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Thompson only twenty three minutes when he's getting shot clock
violations on him left and right, just playing more.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Problem the problem, the problem with playing him is right now,
all you can do is kind of play him in
the dunker. He's really effective, he's a great driver, great athlete,
but he can't shoot yet. So I understand the thought
that you're like, hey, just playing the whole game shut
down Jalen Brunson. And that's probably the smart way to
look at it, right because just.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Just late in the game where it feels like once again,
like the Pistons had this lead that they cling on
to for the entire for the entire game, and then
five minutes left in the fourth quarter and it's slowly
quickly evaporating and everyone knows what's about to happen.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
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Speaker 1 (15:58):
We started the show talking about words to describe the
San Antonio Spurs, Right, I said, boring and smart, and
I don't know what words look. I think if you
were to talk about JJ Riddick again, you would say,
you would say he's smart, and you'd probably say he's smug. Right,
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he does. He comes across a smug He's very smart,
but he's also he's really bright, and he he says
what he says for a reason, like every feels like
every sentence has a reason for why it is said.
Take a listen to what he said yesterday. You're ending
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press conference in talking about what needs to improve on
the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
I'll start with the off season and the work that's
required in an off season to be in championship shape.
And you know, we have a ways to go as
a roster, and certainly there are individual rules that were
in phenomenal shape. There's certainly other ones that could have
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been in better shape. That's where my mind goes immediately,
is you know we have to get in championship shape.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You got to get in championship shape. Championship shape, huh.
We have some that were in phenomenal shape, and we're
some that are in good shape. Did to get better shape, right,
feels pretty obvious. Maybe that's just me. Let's welcome in.
A guy who played in the league won a championship,
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by the way, played for Greg Popovich. We'll get to
that upcoming. And he's the voice of the Pelicans as
well as you hear him on NBA radio. He's Antonio Daniels.
He joined us in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Doesn't feel like he was that deceptive of
JJ to call out Luca's conditioning, was it?
Speaker 6 (17:57):
It's funny how we're man. You know, everybody, everybody was
on the Dallas Mavericks and Nico Harrison when oh my god,
I can't believe you, trst Luke out the door. How
can you do such a thing? And sometimes like it's amazing.
What's considered hate as opposed to reality? You know, saying
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somebody's out of shape isn't hate, it's reality. Saying a
player needs to get in better shape isn't hate, it's reality.
And the thing is a lot of times you don't
understand what's reality until you witness it. And we saw
it last year with Luca in the playoffs, and my
thought was.
Speaker 8 (18:40):
You know what, going into the summer, you want.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
To see him come back different because now he knows
what it takes. A lot of times guys don't know
what they don't know the best at this level. If
I don't know what it takes to be in that
type of shape to get to the NBA Finals and
to lead my team to an NBA championship, I don't know.
But the once I get there, I do know. And
the fact that he found out last year, made that
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run to the NBA Finals and then did nothing about
it in the summer time, and then came back to
the same player and then got traded and then it
reared his ugly head in the first round versus Minnesota again.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yes, it's uh, it's like Nico Harrison suddenly now it's like, oh, yeah, yeah,
he does kind of know what he's talking about.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
The Big Doug when you hear that that that SoundBite
that you just played from JJ Reddick yep, who immediately
comes to your mind when you say certain guys were
in a phenomenal shape. Who was he talking about?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Run?
Speaker 6 (19:46):
And when he said certain guys needed me in better shape,
who is you talking about, Luca? That's a problem. The
fact that when I can actn.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
Ask both of those and two guys immediately.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
Come to your mind, that's a problem. It's a problem.
It's not a problem if you're a Lebron. It's not
a problem that that you're forty years old and you're
a phenomenal save The problem became you're forty years old
and you're a phenomenal save. So now because you're forty
years old and the phenomenal shape, they're asking you to
do things that they shouldn't be asking you to do
at forty years old. But you have a guy who's
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twenty five, twenty six years old that's not in the
shape that he needs to be in. But that's the
guy who people want you to take a back seat to.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That's a tough ask, I got it. Is that why
you heard I'm sure Lebron's remarks with like would you
convince Luca to stay? Like, hey, Lucas, that's his future.
I'm not gonna be around for the future. But it
is It is an interesting dynamic between the two.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
It's an interestingly dynamic between the two because I don't
think they could be more opposite. You know why Jimmy
Butler and Draymond Green work so well because they're like minded?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, the same dude, Right.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
They're like minded, and you tend to surround yourself and
to click with people who are like minded like you are.
And if I'm Lebronz Dames and I believe in getting
in there three or four hours early and working my
tail loft and keeping my body in shade, and being
disciplined and working my like all of these things that
have given me the career that I have. And you
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bring in a young superstar, and as much as people
want me to have that impact on him, as much
as people want him me to change the way that
he is maybe being around Lebron or make Lucal work harder,
that's don't Luca. Lebron needs to continue to do what
he's doing. But that's on Luca to kind of get
in line. But I will say this though, I will
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never say and put it past the player for that
light to come.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
On, because growth is not linear.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
The light comes on for different players at different times
throughout the course of his career. So it's not a
situation where, oh, well, this is who Luca it is,
let's give up on. No, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying he still has time for that light to
pop on. Not in the in between the four line
skill set parts. I'm talking about the outside the four
lines discipline part.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
What'd you think you know? JJ coach.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
In the regular season. I thought he did an amazing job.
I thought he did an amazing job in the regular season.
In the postseason. The thing that I did not understand.
The thing that I did not understand, and I love JJ.
I covered him when he was in New Orleans as
a player, had conversations with the post game, as the
coach of the Lakers, all these different I love JJ.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
The thing that I did not understand.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Is why were the adjustments so drastic? Like if you
look at all of the theories, look at every playoff series,
look at every playoff series that took play dog, was
there any more drastic team than the Lakers as far
as adjustments were concerned.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
No?
Speaker 6 (23:02):
No, Like you know what other teams weren't doing. They
weren't changing taking guys out of the starting line, that
that's been starting guys that have been into rotation. They
didn't just sit those guys on the bench. But today
I felt like he adjusted to Minnesota and never allowed
Minnesota to adjust to him. One of the biggest things
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that I felt like he did, and I think it's underrated,
is removing Zackson Hayes from the starting lineup. And I'm
gonna tell you why. I feel like it's underrated because
Luca's best with a loft threat. We saw it last
year with Derek Livey and Daniel Gafford, right. He needs
someone when he penetrates and Rudy Gobert steps up that
he can throw it up to the Rims to going
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small eliminated all of that because now everything became a
perimeter game. I felt like JJ Reddick adjusted too.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
Early before he was even seen.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
He even put in Minnesota to the test to see
if that Laker team that was good enough to secure
number three seeds could actually defeat Minnesota with the roster
the way it was currently constructed. He cut everybody out.
He cut back and Hayes out, he cut Dug connect out.
In Game four, he cut out the entire bench in
the second half, so the adjustments to me were.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Drafted Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Should
the Detroit Pistons have put two on the ball and
gotten the ball out of Jalen Brunson's hands?
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Yes? Yes, And you know why I say that, because
with two minutes and thirty seconds to go in the game, Doug,
the Detroit Pistons were up seven points at the time.
Dalen Brunton took all but two shots in the last
two minutes and thirty seconds. Do you know the other
two shots? Karl Anthony Townen's got a steal, so he
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created that and he got fouled. The other one was
Michale Bridges' tip in off of the Jalen Brunton miss.
Dalen Brunton took every other shot up to the point.
Here's the day and again J. B. Bicker Staff is
my coach of the Year. Again. I think he's done
an amazing job. I feel like the Detroit Pistons or
the best story in the NBA. But I will never
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understand why teams continue to allow the opposing team's best
player to beat them. I don't grasp that concept. Stag
hugged up to your own guy, when Jalen brunses and
sitting on thirty seven points, make someone else who's not
accustomed to taking that shot in the last five seconds
of the game take that shot, and if he hits it,
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we lose more power to you. I can sleep that way.
But having Dalen Brunston's the NBA's clutch of the year,
have a one on one game with us, Sir Thompson,
we know what that gets you.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
We do now and again. Now I've heard lots of
people say it, and if we look at the results,
you're right. And he did shake him. I was good defense,
just better offenses. Unbelievable, was Sewer Sampson, And I'm with you.
I just thought that the overall NBA philosophy had changed,
where the spacing is so great that you can't put
two on the ball because somebody's going to be wide open.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
And you know what, if you look at the way
that that play is scripted, they're overloaded on one side
of the floor. Yep, they're overloaded.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
And I'm not saying that you have.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
To run somebody at him. With fifteen seconds of going
the clock. It comes to the point where you know
where a guy is getting into his move. He's getting
into his groove. When he's getting into his broom, you
have to get the basketball out of his hands. Force
the force Michel Bridges or Ozanaoby, anybody else that's on
the floor to have a quick catch and shoot moment
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where now your defense is in rotation. I am not
allowing to die again. That is the NBA's clutch player
of the year. To have an opportunity to beat clutch
in that situation and to close down my fear and
to close down my ears. No, he's too good. He
has been.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
What was it like to play for Greg Papovitch.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
I'll say that I feel like he's the greatest coach
to ever break the sidelines.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
Of an NBA arena or in this league.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
I feel that way. I learned so much from him
in such a small amount of time, which is four years,
because I was with Greg Popovich initially.
Speaker 8 (27:25):
And the thing that I didn't understand.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Or appreciate is who Greg Popovich was until I left.
But san Antonio has been home for me since I
played here. San Antonio has been home for me since
nineteen ninety eight nineteen ninety nine, so I've had many
conversations with him.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
When I was with other teams, and.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
When I've moved on after I retired. Most recently last year,
I went to his coach's office when they were in
New Orleans. We sat down and had a long conversation
about my future, possibly coaching, possibly going into the front office.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
So many different things, and for.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Me, I just appreciated themand that he was. I feel
like a lot of that gets lost in.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
The and the tough exterior, you know, the.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Short answers in the pregame pressers and cutting people off
and all of these kinds. That man has a heart
for people. And the thing that I love most, I said,
we talked about this on my FRISXIM show a good
amount today is how when I was in San Antonio,
I've never felt like I was lied to. Now, I
may not have heard everything that I wanted to hear, sure,
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but I heard everything that I needed to hear. He
was always upfront and honest about his thoughts, what he
was doing, what he planned on doing, and how he
planned to go about it. And now, as I moved
along in my career, I know how rare that is
and now how much I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Thirteen
year pro Antonio Dan's won a championship in San Antonio
with the Spurs. Jonia's on the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. What is your opinion of the succession plan?
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Well, the thing about Pop, He'll still have the voice.
He'll have the voice no matter what. Even when he
was going through his health issues here, he was still
talking to players, still talking to Mick Johnson, but still
having still having input. This isn't one of those situations
where somebody is the CEO of an organization and they
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put him in a role that they're never going to
use him in again and they just move on from it.
Papa is still going to have So when free agency
comes around and the draft comes around and all these
different kinds you know you have to make trade, Pop
will be in that room. You know, when they come
in you entertain somebody via free agency, Pop will be
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in that room, along with probably Kim Duncan and Victor
woman Yama and David Robinson and Monozanobi and Tony Parker
and Diaron Fox. Because the organizational chemistry they exists in
San Antonio has now become the standards for the NBA. Yes,
he's no longer grace in the sidelines and that will
be missed, but his voice will definitely still be heard. Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Telling last thing here, we got to Houston, Golden State.
Who's got Who's uh? And then of course you got
you got Denver and the Clippers. Okay, Uh, let's start
with Denver and the Clippers. Who's more likely to give
Oklahoma City a series Denver with the Clippers.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
For me, I think it's Denver, especially if Jamal Murray
is engaged and playing at that championship level, because the
thing is, they got the best player in the world. Man,
they have the best player in the world, Nakoda Joki.
To Max him alone, him alone, is going to put
you in a position to win basketball games.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Well.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
I love the fact that Russell Westbrook will be on
a different gear because now he gets an opportunity to
go back to Oklahoma City. It'll be a great test
Forrolahoma City. And again I'm not completely shutting out the
LA Clippers, but I just don't know what I'm want
to get from James Harden, especially close out games or
games and significance game sevens I'm not sure what I
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want to get out of James Harden. I think the
Denver Nuggets would be a better matchup for the for
the Oklahoma City's.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Under Okay, Golden State or Houston. Who do you like?
Speaker 6 (31:30):
I like Houston, I mean gold State because I can't
I can't see Houston defeating the Golden State.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
Warriors three times, three straight times.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Not with Stiff Curry. Not with Stiff Curry, not with
Jimmy Butler, not with Jerymond Green, not with the championship experience,
not with that championship DNA. Can I see them beating
them twice, maybe, but beating the Golden State Warriors three
straight times when you have that babyface of stassing.
Speaker 8 (31:57):
Over there that does what he does, has been doing it.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
For so long. I just can't see it. And again,
it will be awesome to see a game seven back
in Houston. I just don't think it gets back there.
I don't think they get out of chasing her tonight
with a victory.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Telling great stuff has always love your opinions, love your analysis.
Appreciate you be our guest for sure.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Appreciate you.
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Speaker 2 (32:46):
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Warriors up three two in the series, trying to close
it out at home in San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Does anybody think Houston wins this game?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I think they have a chance.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I mean I have a chance. Do you think they
win the game?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I'm gonna say, yes, Wow, We're going to get a
game seven. Wow.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Prefet Hmmm, I would like a game seven.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I'd really it's that's what you like? A game seven? Well,
happiness is different.
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Speaker 2 (33:44):
Not the only game tonight on the schedule. If you're
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Is that why Sam took the night off?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
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Angel Reese back at LSU tonight, and there are odds
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Speaker 1 (34:47):
How many games do they play?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Forty two or some sost year? I'm not sure. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Did she have a trouble? Does she rebound? I don't
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
How about Caitlyn Clark to record five or more triple
doubles at plus one seventy five, there's that odd as well,
Greg Popovich, Dan, what's up real fast? Yes? What do
you have?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Is there a prop bet on how many players we'll
call Caitlin Clark's fans racist by the end of July.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I don't see that.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I think we're that No, I think we're past that.
They all got the memo now to kiss her butt.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
We'll see if she's the MVP right now. With the
shortest of odds, even shorter than Asia Wilson. Greg Popovich
no longer the head coach of the San Antonio Spurs,
moving into a full time role of team president with
the organization.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Antonio Danas did not seem like it was that great
a move what they're.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Doing with Mitch Johnson taking over on a full time basis.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yes, so yeah, Greg Popovich's voice will still be heard.
It's like you can almost see Mitch Johnson's hands moving
and not see the strings.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Sure, that's what.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
That's what fella.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I and the Becky Hammond situation is one that was
is any like coaching waiting actually worked out? I mean
that Ben, that's about it. Yes, that's about it. Lebron
James suffered a great two mcl sprain and is left
knee late in their loss of the Timberwolves Wednesday. ESPN
says he'll need about three to five weeks to recover.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
It does feel like the thumb thing from the finals, right,
it was like, no, no, it's got to really spread.
Sprain knee, That's what happened. Yeah, sorry, just it's just hard.
It's hard when he came in with the with the
thumbrace that one.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
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Gottlieb Show, Every day, same time, same channel. We've been
doing this for a minute, kids. I do feel like
this is one of those asked the coach moments we'll
get to in a second where the New York the
New York Knicks get a road win over the Detroit Pistons.
(00:44):
We were talking about this last hour. You just listened
to the show. Chris Purfetts on board today. He's on
the ones and twos. He's a Detroit guy. Of course,
you got Jay stew and my main guy, Dan Byer,
who of course you'll hear throughout the show and on updates,
and you'll hear Sunday as he gets like the greatest
job of all time is watching games and getting to
talk about them as they happen. So you're like the
(01:07):
rest of us are Sundays, you know, whether you're inside,
outside chasing kids around or hanging out. And he's like, yeah,
I was working, but I was watching sports, and he
loves sports. So that game last night was fun. It
was fun. I think it's interesting how perception and reality
(01:27):
don't actually match up. You'll have people to go like,
I'm done with the NBA, I won't watch the NBA.
It's like, okay, well I watched the NBA because I
love basketball and I love playoffs sports of most every kind.
And do we remember that the football playoffs? Many of
those games were kind of boring. And last night I'm
(01:49):
watching that Pistons game with the Knicks and I'm like,
this is a hell of a basketball game. And then
I'm watching Clippers and Nuggets. I'm like, this is the
hell of a game. Haven't you guys been into it?
The new into it down?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I'm not into it. I do not either. I have
not been there.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
It does look cool, it does look kind of unique
where they have the wall the wall. It is weird though,
that a play that a franchise that has traditionally had
some of the worst fans and worst teams in professional sports.
Has this one area dedicated to like home course, it's
a great idea that you feel like college fans should have.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
I feel that that whole area is is weird. And
I know the Forum, the Forum was redone and is
a great concert venue. But for for them to then
just build basically a new arena a block away just
seems I don't know, Like it's it's funny that there
wasn't like an effort to ever put any more sports
(02:53):
into the Forum.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
That's a great that's a great point.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Are to derail the topic, But.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
No, no, it's actually not a bad topic. The weird
part about it for people who aren't from Los Angeles. Okay,
so it's all LA and is Inglewood technically a city
like you. They have their own mayor and voting body,
they don't have their own school district. I don't know
how it all works, but Inglewood, I guess, is a
city within the city of Los Angeles. Maybe it's its
(03:24):
own city. But Inglewood was called City of Champions, so
they used to have Hollywood Park, which was obviously a
horse racing park, which now is Sofi Stadium. They used
to have the Forum as a basketball venue versus the Forum,
the Fabulous Forum. Then it was the great Western Forum
for a long time. Shout out to great Western Bank.
Does a great Western Bank still exist? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
I don't know, but I didn't realize that there was
great Western Bank. As someone who grew up in the Midwest,
I just thought that they just remained with the great
Western Forum. Kind of like how Staples became so synonymous
with that arena that I don't think Staples got anything
from it. There was zero. Nobody was like, well, I'm
going to go and get my highlighters now from Staples.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Does any does that actually work for anything?
Speaker 2 (04:07):
I think it does for a little while.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I think, give me, give me, give me the place
that it works for.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
I think that any like state, like, for example, Staples,
probably at first people are like, oh, I'm gonna go
to Staples. I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, but do you you go, Like if you're going
to Staples, then you see an office deep You're like,
you know, it's the same thing.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I think after a while it became so synonymous with
that it runs its course. But when you're a new
brand trying to get out there. I do feel that
there is there is value to it.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
Has anybody invested in crypto because of Crypto Arena?
Speaker 2 (04:41):
No, what I guarantee people went to crypto dot com.
I'm sorry, Jason's got his hands out of his head.
I've completely derailed the topic. I don't think I think
it was. Actually, no, we don't have to. This is
actually an interesting topic, right. I'm a marketing major, a
marketing degree from the Spears School of Busines at Oklahoma
State University, and it's one of those things that it
(05:05):
actually in the business of sports. It's incredibly valuable to
sell these pieces. But does it actually does anyone?
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Like? I think that? Is it still the Target Center
in Minnesota. Scott Shapiro is going to be texting us
at some point. Our boss is a Timberwolves fan.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
That's that's what I call it.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
But it's I think it's still the Target Center. And
so that one makes sense because though Target is, you know,
everyone knows the Target is, not like, oh my god, Target,
I didn't know what Target was. You didn't know it
was based in Minneapolis until you heard the Target Center
was in Minneapolis. But has I want you to try
and be honest. Is there ever have you ever gone
(05:45):
and shopped anywhere looked anything up? Not do people, because
I think You're probably right Dan and that people there's
there has to be people who search these places when
they see it. But have you personally? Has there ever
been a venue like MetLife? If you're going to like, oh, MetLife,
you know what, I'm going to go and turn my
is it portfolio? Is it? What is MetLife? I don't
(06:08):
even know? Is it healthcare? Has anybody ever actually.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Gets health here?
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah? Yeah, has anybody like.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
You know what?
Speaker 1 (06:13):
I was going to use some other healthcare service, but
the giants playing MetLife, So now I'm going to go
and use MetLife.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Well, I'm pretty sure. I'm pretty sure's a provider for
like companies to give insurance to their employees. So it's
it's like a corporate, corporate kind of sponsor.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
I'll say this during the Final Fours and Super Bowls
when you're or World Series whatever. I just know during
the Final four when there's like a pizza tie in
to the Final four or like Buffalo Wild Wings, has
it pizza? That advertising does work now in the name
brand of constantly saying crypto dot com. If I wanted
(06:53):
to get into crypto, I think the first place that
I would probably go is Crypto dot com.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I just want to know, you know, the Detroit Pistons
moved to Little Caesars Arena down from the Palace of
Auburn Hills, and they missed the opportunity to call it
the Little Caesar's Pizza Palace.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Why would they call it the Pizza Pizza.
Speaker 5 (07:11):
Palace, Pizza pizza Palace.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
There you got Little Caesars.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Even though the Palace of Auburn Hills saw some great basketball,
the location wasn't necessarily ideal. And that's the point of
the Forum of if you're now building an arena a
block away next to an NFL stadium. And again I understand,
I went, I've been to a concert at the at
the Forum, but it just seems like that venue would
(07:40):
have been one to save or to try to refurbish
or make new again instead of just going and building
an entirely new one.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
But well, I would I would tell you a couple
of things. The Forum is owned by the MSG people. Yeah,
I don't mean Monasta'm glod to I mean MSG.
Speaker 2 (08:01):
Like James Dolemgarden.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Yeah, yeah, James Dolt, so they owned it, they turned
to a concert concert venue, whereas into it is a
piece of land that was bought by Steve Bohmer and
they they developed it on their own. So some of
it is like who owns it or whatever. I would
also tell you that I think though renovating it sounds
like a really cool idea when it was renovated for concerts,
as you pointed out, but two, like you know they'd
(08:25):
have to renovate. I mean they have to basically go
down to the studs to do it for a for
a basketball venue, as how different basketball venues are.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
I also think that the history of the Lakers in
that building, for the Clippers to take it over, for
the Clippers trying to form their own identity would be cool. Yes, well,
I think them separating it and saying like, we're not
going to do something that the Lakers did because we've
always been in the Lakers shadow. I get not wanting
to go there, but like that that stadium, the arena
(08:54):
that they redid in Seattle to reconfigure and make ready
for the Craft to go in. Yes, basically the roof
was put on stilts, yeah, you know, and then they
redid the whole thing. So when you're doing that sort
of work to keep the roof because it was a
protected landmark to be able to go to those lengths,
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I just was surprised that maybe similar efforts weren't made
for a place like the Forum. I get some places
are just, you know, way gone. There's nothing you can
do about it, and you just have to move on
from the facility. But it's just funny that the Forum
is still standing in a refurbished way, and then a
block down the road there's a brand new NBA arena
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that's going to host the All Star Game next year,
and the whole deal.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
Well, that's part of the thing though, is that they did.
They came into city of champions, known for the Lakers
and built their own arena. And I still think the
window is there for them. It's closing because my guess
would be that at some point the Lakers figure it
out with Luca, but there still is a if the
Clippers could ever figure it out and build a consistent winner,
(10:02):
they have a better arena.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
They have a better arena, sure.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
But it's hard to conceive that they're still like the Nets,
where no matter what the Nets do, They're not the Knicks.
No matter what the Clippers do, they're not the Lakers.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And outside of Madison Square Garden, I don't know how
many historic places we now have in the NBA, right,
I mean, like the TV gardens Bend there forever. But
it's not the Boston Garden, right. I mean, it's not
the Larry Bird, Kevin McHale, Robert Parrish going back to
Celtic City in the whole deal. Like, it's still a
(10:36):
newer facility. There aren't any places that you can really
do that anymore. Has everybody's got a new arena.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay,
so the last night was played at is it the
Little Caesars Arena or Little Caesars Coliseum?
Speaker 6 (10:53):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
The arena Little Caesar Arena.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
Okay. So Jalen Brunson was magnificent. He h's a game
winning three point shot. Here's Tom Thibodeau, Hiss head coach,
talk about Jalen Brunson's mental tools.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
That's what makes him so special. And you know we
talk about, you know, the all the intangibles that it's
his makeup and oftentimes you know that's that's where mistakes
I think are made in the draft and things like that.
And there's it's easy to see like how many points
of guy scores or what the physical tools tools are,
(11:27):
but when you look at the mental tools, that's everything.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Yeah, there was a certain radio host who when he
signed as a free agent with the Knicks said he
is a force multiplier and he's worth every penny because
remember when he signed with the next beer like, oh,
the Knicks paid too much, right, they only gave him,
you know, it was like fifty something million over three years,
(11:55):
but they I can't remember the exact number. But they
also hired his dad. And my point is that that
Jalen Brunson is a culture changer. I didn't know he
had that level of offensive scoring in his bag. He's
become way better than even I could have ever thought
he was. But the point is that you needed you
(12:18):
need somebody to believe in the process that you're tried
to embark on. And you know, Tibbs identified him, got
his dad there. You know, the president is he's a
former client of the president, so he is a walking,
talking billboard in the locker room for what you're building
(12:39):
in New York. And he is a guy that everybody
respects in basketball. People respect guys that get more out
of their god given talent than they should. He's not
super tall, he's not super athletic. He's just super tough
and unbelievably skilled. Unbelievably skilled. And you know, I at
(13:03):
the time, I felt like I was like the lone
defender of this move, Like, what are the Knicks doing? Now?
Does that mean they're gonna win NBA championship? No, there's
an expression in the NBA where they say, hey, that's
great defense, just better offense. I thought that's what happened
in the last play. But you guys have been asking me,
and people ask me, like, don't you double team him there?
(13:25):
I don't think so that. The spacing is so different
in the NBA, and guys are so skilled, and you remember,
players don't miss open shots, they just don't. And if
you put two on the basketball, somebody's wide open. Now
you could make the case that hey, he was wide
open there because he made an insane move against Sewer
Thompson that he Sewer Thompson, you know, slipped and kind
(13:49):
of slid. It was almost out of a movie. It
was the Michael Jordan push off without him actually pushing off,
because it was a sewer Thompson who kind of slipped
and got his momentum, you know, go in that direction
towards the sideline. That's as good a shot, a good
move as you're ever gonna find, without any sort of
push off, without any sort of potential offensive foul. I
(14:12):
thought it was amazing prefet as a Pistons guy, as
a Detroit guy. Can you are you like that? We
should have double teamed him? He's the because remember he
got the Clutch Award for the most clutch player in
the NBA. I was listening to Dan Patrick earlier today
and he's like, hey, he's the most clutch player in
the NBA. Who'd you think was going to take the shot?
And my point is, yeah, I mean, you could have
(14:34):
run two Adam. But if you run two Adam, you're
automatically in scramble. You're in scramble and somebody's going to
be wide open for a dunk or for a layup,
and it might well be Jalen Runson.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, I think in that moment, like all you can
do is have the defender on him and just hope
it doesn't get out of hand. But the point is
you don't want to even give the Knicks the life
in that game. And it feels like every last game
in this the Pistons just let the Knicks come back
in to this. Like if if you want an answer
on how to stop Jalen Brunson, it's don't play Usar
(15:05):
Thompson only twenty three minutes when he's getting shot clock
violations on him left and right, just playing more.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Problem the problem, the problem with playing him is right now,
all you can do is kind of play him in
the dunker. He's really effective, he's a great driver, great athlete,
but he can't shoot yet. So I understand the thought
that you're like, hey, just playing the whole game shut
down Jalen Brunson. And that's probably the smart way to
look at it, right because just.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Just late in the game where it feels like once again,
like the Pistons had this lead that they cling on
to for the entire for the entire game, and then
five minutes left in the fourth quarter and it's slowly
quickly evaporating and everyone knows what's about to happen.
Speaker 5 (15:44):
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Speaker 1 (15:58):
We started the show talking about words to describe the
San Antonio Spurs, Right, I said, boring and smart, and
I don't know what words look. I think if you
were to talk about JJ Riddick again, you would say,
you would say he's smart, and you'd probably say he's smug. Right,
(16:20):
he does. He comes across a smug He's very smart,
but he's also he's really bright, and he he says
what he says for a reason, like every feels like
every sentence has a reason for why it is said.
Take a listen to what he said yesterday. You're ending
(16:41):
press conference in talking about what needs to improve on
the Lakers.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
I'll start with the off season and the work that's
required in an off season to be in championship shape.
And you know, we have a ways to go as
a roster, and certainly there are individual rules that were
in phenomenal shape. There's certainly other ones that could have
(17:04):
been in better shape. That's where my mind goes immediately,
is you know we have to get in championship shape.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
You got to get in championship shape. Championship shape, huh.
We have some that were in phenomenal shape, and we're
some that are in good shape. Did to get better shape, right,
feels pretty obvious. Maybe that's just me. Let's welcome in.
A guy who played in the league won a championship,
(17:36):
by the way, played for Greg Popovich. We'll get to
that upcoming. And he's the voice of the Pelicans as
well as you hear him on NBA radio. He's Antonio Daniels.
He joined us in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. Doesn't feel like he was that deceptive of
JJ to call out Luca's conditioning, was it?
Speaker 6 (17:57):
It's funny how we're man. You know, everybody, everybody was
on the Dallas Mavericks and Nico Harrison when oh my god,
I can't believe you, trst Luke out the door. How
can you do such a thing? And sometimes like it's amazing.
What's considered hate as opposed to reality? You know, saying
(18:21):
somebody's out of shape isn't hate, it's reality. Saying a
player needs to get in better shape isn't hate, it's reality.
And the thing is a lot of times you don't
understand what's reality until you witness it. And we saw
it last year with Luca in the playoffs, and my
thought was.
Speaker 8 (18:40):
You know what, going into the summer, you want.
Speaker 6 (18:43):
To see him come back different because now he knows
what it takes. A lot of times guys don't know
what they don't know the best at this level. If
I don't know what it takes to be in that
type of shape to get to the NBA Finals and
to lead my team to an NBA championship, I don't know.
But the once I get there, I do know. And
the fact that he found out last year, made that
(19:05):
run to the NBA Finals and then did nothing about
it in the summer time, and then came back to
the same player and then got traded and then it
reared his ugly head in the first round versus Minnesota again.
Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yes, it's uh, it's like Nico Harrison suddenly now it's like, oh, yeah, yeah,
he does kind of know what he's talking about.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
The Big Doug when you hear that that that SoundBite
that you just played from JJ Reddick yep, who immediately
comes to your mind when you say certain guys were
in a phenomenal shape. Who was he talking about?
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Run?
Speaker 6 (19:46):
And when he said certain guys needed me in better shape,
who is you talking about, Luca? That's a problem. The
fact that when I can actn.
Speaker 8 (19:56):
Ask both of those and two guys immediately.
Speaker 6 (19:59):
Come to your mind, that's a problem. It's a problem.
It's not a problem if you're a Lebron. It's not
a problem that that you're forty years old and you're
a phenomenal save The problem became you're forty years old
and you're a phenomenal save. So now because you're forty
years old and the phenomenal shape, they're asking you to
do things that they shouldn't be asking you to do
at forty years old. But you have a guy who's
(20:20):
twenty five, twenty six years old that's not in the
shape that he needs to be in. But that's the
guy who people want you to take a back seat to.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
That's a tough ask, I got it. Is that why
you heard I'm sure Lebron's remarks with like would you
convince Luca to stay? Like, hey, Lucas, that's his future.
I'm not gonna be around for the future. But it
is It is an interesting dynamic between the two.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
It's an interestingly dynamic between the two because I don't
think they could be more opposite. You know why Jimmy
Butler and Draymond Green work so well because they're like minded?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Yeah, the same dude, Right.
Speaker 6 (21:05):
They're like minded, and you tend to surround yourself and
to click with people who are like minded like you are.
And if I'm Lebronz Dames and I believe in getting
in there three or four hours early and working my
tail loft and keeping my body in shade, and being
disciplined and working my like all of these things that
have given me the career that I have. And you
(21:28):
bring in a young superstar, and as much as people
want me to have that impact on him, as much
as people want him me to change the way that
he is maybe being around Lebron or make Lucal work harder,
that's don't Luca. Lebron needs to continue to do what
he's doing. But that's on Luca to kind of get
in line. But I will say this though, I will
(21:49):
never say and put it past the player for that
light to come.
Speaker 8 (21:53):
On, because growth is not linear.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
The light comes on for different players at different times
throughout the course of his career. So it's not a
situation where, oh, well, this is who Luca it is,
let's give up on. No, that's not what I'm saying.
I'm saying he still has time for that light to
pop on. Not in the in between the four line
skill set parts. I'm talking about the outside the four
lines discipline part.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
What'd you think you know? JJ coach.
Speaker 6 (22:19):
In the regular season. I thought he did an amazing job.
I thought he did an amazing job in the regular season.
In the postseason. The thing that I did not understand.
The thing that I did not understand, and I love JJ.
I covered him when he was in New Orleans as
a player, had conversations with the post game, as the
coach of the Lakers, all these different I love JJ.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
The thing that I did not understand.
Speaker 6 (22:41):
Is why were the adjustments so drastic? Like if you
look at all of the theories, look at every playoff series,
look at every playoff series that took play dog, was
there any more drastic team than the Lakers as far
as adjustments were concerned.
Speaker 1 (23:01):
No?
Speaker 6 (23:02):
No, Like you know what other teams weren't doing. They
weren't changing taking guys out of the starting line, that
that's been starting guys that have been into rotation. They
didn't just sit those guys on the bench. But today
I felt like he adjusted to Minnesota and never allowed
Minnesota to adjust to him. One of the biggest things
(23:23):
that I felt like he did, and I think it's underrated,
is removing Zackson Hayes from the starting lineup. And I'm
gonna tell you why. I feel like it's underrated because
Luca's best with a loft threat. We saw it last
year with Derek Livey and Daniel Gafford, right. He needs
someone when he penetrates and Rudy Gobert steps up that
he can throw it up to the Rims to going
(23:44):
small eliminated all of that because now everything became a
perimeter game. I felt like JJ Reddick adjusted too.
Speaker 8 (23:52):
Early before he was even seen.
Speaker 6 (23:54):
He even put in Minnesota to the test to see
if that Laker team that was good enough to secure
number three seeds could actually defeat Minnesota with the roster
the way it was currently constructed. He cut everybody out.
He cut back and Hayes out, he cut Dug connect out.
In Game four, he cut out the entire bench in
the second half, so the adjustments to me were.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Drafted Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Should
the Detroit Pistons have put two on the ball and
gotten the ball out of Jalen Brunson's hands?
Speaker 6 (24:29):
Yes? Yes, And you know why I say that, because
with two minutes and thirty seconds to go in the game, Doug,
the Detroit Pistons were up seven points at the time.
Dalen Brunton took all but two shots in the last
two minutes and thirty seconds. Do you know the other
two shots? Karl Anthony Townen's got a steal, so he
(24:50):
created that and he got fouled. The other one was
Michale Bridges' tip in off of the Jalen Brunton miss.
Dalen Brunton took every other shot up to the point.
Here's the day and again J. B. Bicker Staff is
my coach of the Year. Again. I think he's done
an amazing job. I feel like the Detroit Pistons or
the best story in the NBA. But I will never
(25:12):
understand why teams continue to allow the opposing team's best
player to beat them. I don't grasp that concept. Stag
hugged up to your own guy, when Jalen brunses and
sitting on thirty seven points, make someone else who's not
accustomed to taking that shot in the last five seconds
of the game take that shot, and if he hits it,
(25:33):
we lose more power to you. I can sleep that way.
But having Dalen Brunston's the NBA's clutch of the year,
have a one on one game with us, Sir Thompson,
we know what that gets you.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
We do now and again. Now I've heard lots of
people say it, and if we look at the results,
you're right. And he did shake him. I was good defense,
just better offenses. Unbelievable, was Sewer Sampson, And I'm with you.
I just thought that the overall NBA philosophy had changed,
where the spacing is so great that you can't put
two on the ball because somebody's going to be wide open.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
And you know what, if you look at the way
that that play is scripted, they're overloaded on one side
of the floor. Yep, they're overloaded.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
And I'm not saying that you have.
Speaker 6 (26:20):
To run somebody at him. With fifteen seconds of going
the clock. It comes to the point where you know
where a guy is getting into his move. He's getting
into his groove. When he's getting into his broom, you
have to get the basketball out of his hands. Force
the force Michel Bridges or Ozanaoby, anybody else that's on
the floor to have a quick catch and shoot moment
(26:42):
where now your defense is in rotation. I am not
allowing to die again. That is the NBA's clutch player
of the year. To have an opportunity to beat clutch
in that situation and to close down my fear and
to close down my ears. No, he's too good. He
has been.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
What was it like to play for Greg Papovitch.
Speaker 6 (27:05):
I'll say that I feel like he's the greatest coach
to ever break the sidelines.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
Of an NBA arena or in this league.
Speaker 6 (27:15):
I feel that way. I learned so much from him
in such a small amount of time, which is four years,
because I was with Greg Popovich initially.
Speaker 8 (27:25):
And the thing that I didn't understand.
Speaker 6 (27:27):
Or appreciate is who Greg Popovich was until I left.
But san Antonio has been home for me since I
played here. San Antonio has been home for me since
nineteen ninety eight nineteen ninety nine, so I've had many
conversations with him.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
When I was with other teams, and.
Speaker 6 (27:41):
When I've moved on after I retired. Most recently last year,
I went to his coach's office when they were in
New Orleans. We sat down and had a long conversation
about my future, possibly coaching, possibly going into the front office.
Speaker 8 (27:54):
So many different things, and for.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
Me, I just appreciated themand that he was. I feel
like a lot of that gets lost in.
Speaker 8 (28:02):
The and the tough exterior, you know, the.
Speaker 6 (28:05):
Short answers in the pregame pressers and cutting people off
and all of these kinds. That man has a heart
for people. And the thing that I love most, I said,
we talked about this on my FRISXIM show a good
amount today is how when I was in San Antonio,
I've never felt like I was lied to. Now, I
may not have heard everything that I wanted to hear, sure,
(28:29):
but I heard everything that I needed to hear. He
was always upfront and honest about his thoughts, what he
was doing, what he planned on doing, and how he
planned to go about it. And now, as I moved
along in my career, I know how rare that is
and now how much I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
So Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Thirteen
year pro Antonio Dan's won a championship in San Antonio
with the Spurs. Jonia's on the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. What is your opinion of the succession plan?
Speaker 6 (29:05):
Well, the thing about Pop, He'll still have the voice.
He'll have the voice no matter what. Even when he
was going through his health issues here, he was still
talking to players, still talking to Mick Johnson, but still
having still having input. This isn't one of those situations
where somebody is the CEO of an organization and they
(29:28):
put him in a role that they're never going to
use him in again and they just move on from it.
Papa is still going to have So when free agency
comes around and the draft comes around and all these
different kinds you know you have to make trade, Pop
will be in that room. You know, when they come
in you entertain somebody via free agency, Pop will be
(29:48):
in that room, along with probably Kim Duncan and Victor
woman Yama and David Robinson and Monozanobi and Tony Parker
and Diaron Fox. Because the organizational chemistry they exists in
San Antonio has now become the standards for the NBA. Yes,
he's no longer grace in the sidelines and that will
be missed, but his voice will definitely still be heard. Uh.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
Telling last thing here, we got to Houston, Golden State.
Who's got Who's uh? And then of course you got
you got Denver and the Clippers. Okay, Uh, let's start
with Denver and the Clippers. Who's more likely to give
Oklahoma City a series Denver with the Clippers.
Speaker 6 (30:32):
For me, I think it's Denver, especially if Jamal Murray
is engaged and playing at that championship level, because the
thing is, they got the best player in the world. Man,
they have the best player in the world, Nakoda Joki.
To Max him alone, him alone, is going to put
you in a position to win basketball games.
Speaker 8 (30:53):
Well.
Speaker 6 (30:53):
I love the fact that Russell Westbrook will be on
a different gear because now he gets an opportunity to
go back to Oklahoma City. It'll be a great test
Forrolahoma City. And again I'm not completely shutting out the
LA Clippers, but I just don't know what I'm want
to get from James Harden, especially close out games or
games and significance game sevens I'm not sure what I
(31:14):
want to get out of James Harden. I think the
Denver Nuggets would be a better matchup for the for
the Oklahoma City's.
Speaker 1 (31:20):
Under Okay, Golden State or Houston. Who do you like?
Speaker 6 (31:30):
I like Houston, I mean gold State because I can't
I can't see Houston defeating the Golden State.
Speaker 8 (31:36):
Warriors three times, three straight times.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yep.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
Not with Stiff Curry. Not with Stiff Curry, not with
Jimmy Butler, not with Jerymond Green, not with the championship experience,
not with that championship DNA. Can I see them beating
them twice, maybe, but beating the Golden State Warriors three
straight times when you have that babyface of stassing.
Speaker 8 (31:57):
Over there that does what he does, has been doing it.
Speaker 6 (31:59):
For so long. I just can't see it. And again,
it will be awesome to see a game seven back
in Houston. I just don't think it gets back there.
I don't think they get out of chasing her tonight
with a victory.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
Telling great stuff has always love your opinions, love your analysis.
Appreciate you be our guest for sure.
Speaker 6 (32:17):
Appreciate you.
Speaker 1 (32:18):
Doug is Antonio Daniels, JOHNI Us of course, longtime NBA analysts,
of course, former Spurs and when he won a championship
at nine.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
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Speaker 1 (32:33):
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Speaker 2 (32:46):
Doug Tonight's Rockets and Warriors Game six, nine o'clock Eastern Time.
Warriors up three two in the series, trying to close
it out at home in San Francisco.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
Does anybody think Houston wins this game?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I think they have a chance.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
I mean I have a chance. Do you think they
win the game?
Speaker 2 (33:05):
I'm gonna say, yes, Wow, We're going to get a
game seven. Wow.
Speaker 3 (33:11):
Prefet Hmmm, I would like a game seven.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I'd really it's that's what you like? A game seven? Well,
happiness is different.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
By the way.
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Dylan Brooks getting ejected written all over it, all over it,
(33:41):
all over it, right, all over it.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Not the only game tonight on the schedule. If you're
a hoops fan w NBA preseason, WHOA tonight?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Is that why Sam took the night off?
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I didn't know, because there is something I was going
to get to. It's Wings and Aces tonight. Page Becker's
making her Wings debut playing Doug south Bend at seven
o'clock Eastern time Tonight in Baton Rouge at nine Eastern
the Chicago Sky and Angel Reese will face the Brazilian
national team. Brazil will face Iowa on Sunday the cover
(34:19):
Hawkeye Arena in Iowa City. So Kitlin Clark returns home,
Angel Reese back at LSU tonight, and there are odds
on the MVP right now. Caitlin Clark is the odds
on favorite DraftKings has a bunch of Kaitlyn Clark props.
If you're ever interested in. I'm not team specials, Jason,
(34:40):
you're ready for this one plus twenty five hundred. For
Caitlin Clark to record ten or more triple doubles in
the twenty twenty five season.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
How many games do they play?
Speaker 2 (34:49):
Forty two or some sost year? I'm not sure. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Did she have a trouble? Does she rebound? I don't
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
How about Caitlyn Clark to record five or more triple
doubles at plus one seventy five, there's that odd as well,
Greg Popovich, Dan, what's up real fast? Yes? What do
you have?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Is there a prop bet on how many players we'll
call Caitlin Clark's fans racist by the end of July.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
I don't see that.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
I think we're that No, I think we're past that.
They all got the memo now to kiss her butt.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
We'll see if she's the MVP right now. With the
shortest of odds, even shorter than Asia Wilson. Greg Popovich
no longer the head coach of the San Antonio Spurs,
moving into a full time role of team president with
the organization.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
Antonio Danas did not seem like it was that great
a move what they're.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Doing with Mitch Johnson taking over on a full time basis.
Speaker 1 (35:48):
Yes, so yeah, Greg Popovich's voice will still be heard.
It's like you can almost see Mitch Johnson's hands moving
and not see the strings.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Sure, that's what.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
That's what fella.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
I and the Becky Hammond situation is one that was
is any like coaching waiting actually worked out? I mean
that Ben, that's about it. Yes, that's about it. Lebron
James suffered a great two mcl sprain and is left
knee late in their loss of the Timberwolves Wednesday. ESPN
says he'll need about three to five weeks to recover.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
It does feel like the thumb thing from the finals, right,
it was like, no, no, it's got to really spread.
Sprain knee, That's what happened. Yeah, sorry, just it's just hard.
It's hard when he came in with the with the
thumbrace that one.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
Time, and that's the press, get out there and pressed.
Speaker 5 (36:36):
That was the press.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Kentucky Derby This weekend, NBA playoffs this weekend. Enjoy your weekend.
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