August 15, 2025 • 37 mins
Dan and Monse in for Doug as they discuss a peculiar choice by the NBA to stream their games on an app. Dan and Monse welcome collegefootballnews.com publisher Pete Fiutak onto the show to discuss the punishment handed down on Michigan football by the NCAA. Plus, Dan and Monse react to Doug Gottlieb's take on Michigan.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Oh what's up? Everybody? Happy Friday?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Doug Gottlieb was in for Colin Cowherd this morning, So
you get me Monty Bilanos and Dan Bayer as we
fill in. Hope you're enjoying your Friday, maybe having a cocktail.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's already one o'clock.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
If I was not here with Dan, I would probably
be having a cocktail right now.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I was just mixing them in the back.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I would be I'd be afraid.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
If you made me a cocktail, I would know how
to shake.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You would not a shake.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
That's that's about it.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I would try to flip it all up. Cocktail is
at the Tom Cruise movie. That's what I would try
to do.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's like, uh, what is that I'm blaking out on
that show?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
The restaurant Guy John Sean, Oh bar Rescue and how
you're you know how you're supposed to shake.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
You got to get into it.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Dan, my buddy, was an extra in an episode of Bars. Yeah,
he sat at the bar, tasted a drink and was
not pleased. That was his That was his role in
the UH in the undercover operation before changes were made
to rescue that bar.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I love John Taffer. I just want him to yell
at me.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Those shows like you have to yell. It's what makes
Gordon Ramsey like so great, Like you have to be
mean to these people. But some of those are fake.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yes, a side note, I did an episode for Dodgers
for that Gordon Ramsey Hell's Kitchen whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
That was master Chef, That's what it was.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It was a thing with Freddie Freeman and his wife
and I was like the tour guide and I did
a thing and I wanted to see what his name.
I don't watch the show, Gordon Ramsay, guess I wanted
to see and I wanted to see if he was actually.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Like that nicest guy ever all smiles.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Until it was time to do the episode, everybody was
chatting with super nice guy did not come off like
what you would expect on TV.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
There was there was another show that was completely staged.
There was someone who worked here at Fox Sports Radio
that did some acting on the side. Oh yeah, and
she was used as the bad waitress, the one who
would take like the toast from your blt and wipe
it under her arms nice and then like that's and
then she had a different.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Name every time.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I had a different backstory. But we saw that one
and I there are so many restaurants shows that have
different you know, undercover or whatever, all the different ones.
But that's how I found out. I'm like, wow, some
of these may not be as real as you think.
That's like the house Hunting episodes or the house Hunter
(03:00):
and those when you're looking for places to go, I
think it's done in the reverse order. Like you found
your home, so that's going to be one of the
three homes you look at. Now, they just got to
find two other vacant ones that they could use to
make the TV show absolutely right, Like we found this
magic Yeah, we found this two bedroom condo that we
wanted to buy on the shores of the Outer Banks
(03:20):
in North Carolina. Awesome, if you want to be on
a TV show, We'll find two other blank or vacant
properties and show you those and you can get on
a TV show. I think that's how it works. I'm not,
don't quote me on that, but I feel that that's
that's right, like the hay was already in.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
The barn exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
That's the magic behind it. There is no magic behind
the NBA schedule. It's eighty two games for each team
that goes from mid October to mid April, and then
we start to care about the playoffs. However, this year's
NBA schedule has gotten more attention not for who plays
who and where and a little bit of when, but
it's more of where on TV. In yesterday, it was
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brought up for basketball fans when the schedules released on
what you can expect to get from an NBA season
that we have never had before because I think our
normal schedules, Manzi, where we knew Thursday nights was TNT,
Wednesday and Friday was ESPN, and then TNT would have
(04:20):
Tuesday games at times as well, and you get your
Saturday night ABC game and maybe random games here and there.
But you knew on Thursday night you could count on
TNT and Wednesday and Fridays on ESPN, and that was
fine with me. Maybe there'd be a random game on
NBA TV. But this is how your NBA regular season
will now be viewed for the seven days of the
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week when the NBA regular season is going on, Monday
nights Peacock only, Tuesday nights NBC and Peacock, Wednesday's ESPN,
Thursday's Amazon Prime, Friday's Amazon Prime and E Saturday's Amazon Prime, ABC,
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Sunday's ABC, NBC and Peacock. So we have five nights
out of the week where you will get either ESPN
or of the game on network TV, whether it be
ABC or NBC. Monday and Thursday nights will be streaming exclusives.
Monday to Peacock, Thursday to Amazon Prime. And to me, MONTI,
(05:25):
they've now completely eliminated the casual viewing NBA fan that
I am because I am not going to be loading
up an app on my screen to be searching out
the Nuggets and Grizzlies in mid January. It's just not
going to happen if it was on TNT, if it
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was on ESPN that night. I know I may sound
like a dinosaur, but I would tune in, but I'm
not going to actively go to these spots when the
season is as long as it is. I just I
don't think that the NBA is trying to broaden their audience.
It's a broadening of the pocketbook and trying to seem
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forward thinking in all of this.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
It's just interesting that they've made these choices knowing that
the viewership is already down and now you're making it
a little bit more complicated for the casual fan and
as more than I would say a casual fan myself
when it comes to the NBA, you are making this
more complicated for me than it needs to be. And
I'm somebody who does look for these games, but now
I'm going to be like, no NBA on TNT, what
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games am I really.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Going to tune into?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Because, like you said, aside from the Clippers, like you said,
it's a long season. This isn't comparable to the NFL
putting one off games on streaming services for eighteen weeks
of the season twenty two.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
You get what I'm saying, Like, it's not the same.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
So I don't know what Basketball is thinking, because it
does seem like this is shoving out maybe a lot
of the casual fans. It should be easy for me
to tune into a game not more difficult.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
I and I don't want to sound like a dinosaur.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Now they can do.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
But I just I I have a satellite direct TV package,
and I know those are becoming fewer and fewer. I
am more curious on people who have unplugged from that,
like Jason Stewart. I don't know what your TV set up.
Do you have cable satellite stream?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
We do to direct TV the like app, So I
don't have like a SAP, but I do have cable
like an app that is streaming, but it's like the
cable channels, right, like I have TV. I have Amazon Prime,
but I don't have Peacock. I'm not going to add
it now.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I will watch the NFL games on Thursday night on Amazon. Yeah,
and maybe not think twice about it. But I'll be honest,
when halftime comes around, I do feel a little bit handcuffed. Okay,
Now do I drop out of the app? Hopefully that
the Apple work get back yep. And that's just for
one of two hundred and seventy two NFL games that
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we get in the season. When you have thirty teams
playing eighty two games, there's a lot of basketball for
me to consume, none of which I'm probably going to
be unless you're playing fantasy basketball or betting on the
games that I'm gonna or if it's not the box playing,
I'm not going to have that diar of a need
to watch. I just feel that the NBA doesn't give
(08:18):
you a lot of reasons to watch regular season basketball,
and now they're making it more difficult for you to
watch it with it being on these streaming services on
these selective nights.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
They are making it more difficult.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And I can only assume that those big games that
you and I and everybody else wants to watch are
probably going to.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Be on NBC ABC on different days, those people were
already going to tune in.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But all the other games that you're talking about, which
is what we're mentioning here, to the NBA, you're not
making the right decision for all those other games that
you should be trying to make easily accessible to the
casual fan.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
It misses the mark absolutely to me. To me, it does.
I think the NBA the way to make it better
is to and I know that this isn't a real
way of thinking, but would be to provide less games,
like to provide to make it more of the one off.
So a long long time ago, Mansie, before you were
even born, Jason and Isaac and myself remember this. Chris
(09:20):
is too young to remember it. But there were games
of the week and so it was a big deal,
especially in Major League Baseball. Now, granted we didn't have
as many options, but still it's not like there are
forty two channels with games on them like they're still
it's either ESPN or or in this case now NBC
having the games and previously the Turner channels, but it
made it a must watch thing. Having games on every
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night makes it less of an immediate need to watch
the games. And now if I have to do more
to watch those games, it's not working. You're pointing comparing
it to the NFL is completely right. They're not comparable
sapples to oranges. It doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
And this is coming from an actual NBA fan that
I like to watch other teams than the Clippers. But
now you're making me be You're making me feel like
it's a hassle, and I shouldn't feel that way.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
When your birthday is late January, right, it is? Yes,
here's his man, Jennuary. Yes it is So on January
twenty sixth on Peacock, you can watch the Magic Cavaliers,
Trailblazers or Celtics and the Warriors and the Timberwolves, or
you could just wait the next night and watch the
Bucks and Sixers and Clippers and Jazz. So if you
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had to, like, would you is there anything that would
make you say, you know what, I'm going to watch
Magic Calves, even though then tomorrow, no, I'm going to
watch this game. And then on Wednesday you've got more
games that you can end up watching on ESPN. Like
that's the and NBC's is going to be different. By
the way, I believe that that the West Coast is
going to get the late game in their primetime and
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then the East Coast will have the early game in
their primetime, and the other game is going to be
on Peacock. That's the understanding. So it's not like you're
getting an NBC double header every single night. I think
that they are staggered on Peacock and NBC for the
specific coast. But it's just the point of if you
don't have a dog in the fight, I know you
have a clip with the Clippers, and that's a bad example,
but if you wanted to watch get your NBA fixed
(11:17):
with Bucks and Sixers, there'd be no reason to watch
Blazer Celtics or Matt you know, Magic and Calves.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
As you're as you're telling me all this, I'm like,
why are we complicating the situation for NBA fans? Because
if there is a game that I think I'm gonna
catch on a certain day of the week and I
turn turn it on and it's not there, I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Gonna get over it really quickly.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Like by the end of the season, I feel like
the numbers are going to be really low for the NBA.
People are gonna be tired of keeping this schedule. I
can barely keep my own schedule now I'm gonna have
to be like, Okay, on Mondays.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Where are we playing? Who's forget it? Forget it? Put
on reruns of Law and Order. I don't even care anymore.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
It's also it's also shows you the value of inside
the NBA is that you just knew that that show
was gonna be on on Thursday, so you may have
tuned into the game whether the game was good or not.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I was gonna say people were tuning in for them
the game was the game was like an added bonus.
But you you watched NBA on T and T to
watch the guys. The game was just supplemental.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Is that the word? Is it right?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
No, that's yeah. Addition all that, No, it supplements the
house game show that we all would rather watch. Jason,
you cut the cord a while, I think it have
gone streaming. How do you view this as someone who
isn't a satellite or cable user.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
A couple of things. I think saying that I still
have cable but it's on an app is the cutest
way to say. I cut the cord. I still have cable,
but it's on an app.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
It is it is, got it stream it.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
I cut the cord real early, like twenty eighteen. And
I am a very casual NBA fan. In fact, I
don't even know if I didn't work in the industry,
I don't even know if I would follow the NBA anymore.
So this to me completely takes me out. I'm definitely
not seeking out NBA games on Peacock, and I think
a lot of our listeners probably followed in my category.
(13:07):
I think a lot of the decisions that the NBA
has made over the past couple years has catered to
their like p ones, their NBA fans, as opposed to
trying to draw more into the tent. Right the play
in game for the playoffs, who's that serving NBA fans?
The NBA Cup is serving NBA fans. Whatever the hell
(13:30):
they're doing with their All Star weekend now is definitely
serving only NBA fans because I'm not interested.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
I do think that the play in tournament did something
with the fan bases of those teams to keep those
fan bases interested, yes, in a bit longer to think
that they have a chance or have the opportunity to
make the playoffs, and keep them more interested in the
regular season.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I think it brought excitement, but it was just short lived,
and it might not be for all the fan bases
like you're saying, but it does a level of excitement
that we weren't experiencing in the middle of the season.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
The games like when Jah Moran had like forty something
against the Warriors and we were actually fortunate to get
like the Warriors and Lakers in these games to make
them interesting. I think that was like the newness of it,
and it's exciting now that it's been here. A couple
of years. I think, to Jason's point, maybe it's worn off,
but I feel like their decision making behind what the
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play in tournament was was to try to keep more
fan bases interested to have their team still be in
the running for a playoff spot. These decisions are being
made for the people who are already going to consume
the NBA and not trying to bring in more people
to watch the product.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah. No, these decisions are made for money. Yeah, yes,
that's what this is really all about. And it's just
sad because if you want to keep this simple in
black and white, this is about money, and you are
not doing this for the casual basketball fan when you
were already losing viewership.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
You are already losing that, so why divide it even more?
Why make it more complicated. I'm having a hard time
with this.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Can we talk about the app experience in any sport?
And I even come across this on the NFL stuff
like Christmas Day or whatever. When you're just watching the app,
you very much lose that channel surfing during breaks, channel
surfing during downtown. Unless you've got multiple team you need
to do something to fix that. Some technology I don't
(15:31):
know what the answer is. But going to an app
for a game, and I've done it for the Caitlin
Clark games, You're just stuck on this Amazon app without it,
without any channel surfing. What's the fix there?
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I don't know. I have no idea, and I've wondered
if there are other like if you could if you
could just use your channel changer like an app, but
there's still stuff within that that you would have to
access the game because of all the opportunities of programming, and.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Then scroll through here through that get It's not it's
not like just changing the channel.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I agree with you, Jason, and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
It's like if I'm trying to watch a game, and
let's just hypothetically say I get Peacock and I try
to load Peacock and it doesn't work, I'm gonna be
over it so fast.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And that's the problem. It should be easily accessible to me.
I shouldn't have.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
To go through hoops and things to try and you know,
watch a damn game.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Can I ask the group a question along these lines,
for all of you, when you've been watching games on
apps and devices, how often does the stream at least
temporarily either stop working entirely, or there's a problem with
the video quality of the feed, Like it's all blurry
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and how many times does it just cut out altogether
every damn day?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Really?
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Me too, Me too.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
It hasn't as much to me.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Nice, but it speaks to your internet connection.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Yes, I mean we're you know, to the top level. No,
I've watched games on the golf course on my phone. Okay,
so like no, like like it.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
But it's such a flex No, it's.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Not the technology of country. I I it's not. And
that's the part where I think where I'm trying not
to sound like, get off my long gun. I know
Chris wants to jump in. I just want to quick
make this point of I don't think it's about the
technology and being old. I think it's about the NBA
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valuing their product in a way that they think we
want to consume it seven nights a week and now
I have to do extra work to do it. And
I think that's the gross misjudgment on this is the
NFL is great because we don't have it every night,
and the season is shorter, so we are always craving it.
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We are already complaining about more basketball. Now you're giving
us more basketball and you're making it more difficult for
me to watch it.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
That's where I think that they've completely missed the boat
on what the casual fan really wants. And again Manzi says,
it goes back to Wenny Chris Papet. You know.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
The sport that's on every night that like doesn't take
up any of our attention span a lot is baseball.
So like, I mean, I like baseball, but it is
absolutely I'm willing to throw a Tigers game on in
the background kind of thing. I think if basketball keeps
putting itself out there like this, it kind of threatens
to be that. But they want to be the event.
And the other point that the main.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
And I'm sorry, but it is a great, great point
because the NBA needs to think more like Major League
Baseball and not like the NFL.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
Right, So they have too many games to be an event,
but they want that event or that the NFL has,
and it's just they're always going to lose out. But
I think the big thing that the problem here more
than anything, and it's a problem for every sports league
out there, is as you're embracing streaming technology. All these
frustrations you're all talking about that is a negative for everyone,
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that will eventually drive people away. And I think as
much as they've seen them, the dollar signs with Amazon, Peacock, Netflix.
I I'm a big soccer fan and I saw and
MLS retreated their entire package behind Apple TV plus the
next that same year, after they did that, they had
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a sixty percent drop in the MLS Cup final that
they put on main big time Fox TV. Sixty percent
of the audience went away because nobody you're you're managing,
as you say, multiple apps. Do you have Peacock, do
you have Amazon? And I think that that is something
losing channel flipping, all these things add up to an
experience that is a almost more expensive now than cable
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in a lot of ways, and b pushes the casual
fan away and just I think you start losing the
act accessibility of sports entirely. And I just wonder at
some point does the does that rooster come home? Does
those hens come home to roost? For the NBA and
they see their ratings likewise, try to go from a
streaming ecosystem back to network TV and then the ratings tank.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, I think both of you are hitting it on
the head where it's like you think you're making this more.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Accessible, but you're actually not.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
There were times when I would you'd be able to
watch an NBA game, and sometimes it was it would
go from ESPN to like T and T and they
would tell you, oh, you know, next game is over there,
and I just hit a button and I'd.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Go back to it. Now, that's it's not making it
simple for me.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
And I agree with what you're saying, Chris, it should
they should look more at baseball. I don't know how
basketball doesn't take advantage of like day games more often
during the during the regular season. Have a noon game,
people will go sure right now, people love did not
go to work.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
M WEILB has their own very strong app and MLBtv
as well. And I I think back like ten years ago,
League Pass was a cool thing. I don't hear about
League Pass anymore, and I don't think League Pass really
holds the candle to what they do.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Leave Bess is a big thing within NBA Twitter, and
that's and that's the point is Adam Silver in the
NBA are catering to the to that audience, to the
NBA Twitter audience and to a place where they can
catch their checks. To Moncy's point, I don't think it
does anything for us to like the NBA regular season more,
since we've been complaining about it for years and now
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this just gives us more difficulty to try to to
try to like something that we already are frustrated with.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
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Isaac Longcrown is going to give us an update of
what's happening in the world of sports in about nine minutes.
Maybe we'll take all of those nine and talk about
the scandal in college football that apparently wrapped up today
Michigan finding out their sanctions by the NCAA following the
(22:12):
Connor Stallions spying scandal. To talk about that and so
much more, we welcome in, publisher of College Footballnews dot
Com and someone who you will probably hear four hundred
and fifty two more times on the network between now
and the National Championship game in January. The one and
only Pete Futech joins the programmer. Hello, Pete, how are you?
Speaker 9 (22:33):
And no appearance is going to be better than this
one because you've got fully charged me at this point.
You get me in mid to late October. I'm not
promising anything, all right.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Pete, Let's get right into it. Did Michigan get off
easy here?
Speaker 9 (22:48):
Yeah? I mean, look, first of all, it's not really
a scandal nothing. No laws were broken here, I mean,
and in fact, most of the things that are getting
punished for or actually not illegal according to NCAA rules.
So they just got kind of, you know, slapped on
the risks for being naughty. But let's be honest here,
(23:09):
Jim Harbaugh is never going to coach in the college
ranks again. He's too good of a head coach. He'll
stay there forever, counter Stallions whatever. Sharon Moore is not
going to get to coach against you know, Central Directional
State or something like this for one game. And twenty
million dollars is pocket change. That's a rounding ara to
Michigan and all the good Michigan Maze and Blue people
(23:29):
get to keep all their national championship T shirts and
Ohio State. People are still mad big Win, Michigan fine
ball gets kicked off on Saturday. Let's go.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Yeah, it's I mean, it's it is crazy. It is
someone who's based in the Midwest, from the Midwest, and
I know Pete your roots are there as well. Like
it seems like it's a bigger deal to those teams
than those schools that were affected by it. Is Is
this an NCAA doesn't have power? Is it to more
(23:58):
of what you were saying on how it's not the
maybe scandal of all scandals, because I said to Manti,
I just said, it's what happened previously with the COVID
stuff that I thought they were really going to get
hammered because this wasn't the first time. But why do
you think it ended up like this?
Speaker 9 (24:14):
There's nothing you can do. And like, first of all,
the whole Midwest thing is like the coaches who are
graping about this thing, they knew this was going on,
and one they were mad that they didn't think of
it first. Two they weren't any good at it, the
ones who were kind of half trying it, and they're
just three they never called them out like Okay, you
could have said something at the time, guys, but you didn't,
(24:37):
and the time to do this was right in the
middle of the run. How this should have happened is
if the Big Ten had at they should have said,
you know what, you are ineligible to play for the
Big Ten Championship and to go from there. The College
Footballlayoff committee's job would have been to take all the
different parts and say, Okay, we still think Michigan should
be anyway. It's not really their job to judge that.
(24:59):
They're just job to come up with a tournament and
go from there. But there was no way the Big
Ten was going to say, hey, Michigan, hey, thanks for
making us like a jillion dollars a year. Now you're
going to get suspended from our biggest showcase game and
maybe not go play for the national championship. There's no
way they're going to suspend them for the future, because
if they did and say, you know what, you're ineligible
(25:20):
for the postseason, you'd get a call from you know,
either you know somewhere around Bristol, Connecticut, or Grapevine, Texas
or somewhere saying no, we don't want you to keep
Michigan out of the tournament of the college football playoffs
if they're eligible for this, So what are you gonna do?
Are you gonna punish you know, future teams? Okay, I
mean maybe you can take away scholarships or something, but
(25:40):
there's just really no punishment. Vacated wins do nothing. If
they were just come out and say, well, you are
not the official national championshampion, like Michigan fans care, we'd
all take that deal. If you're telling me right now
that that's the punishment. But my favorite teams get to
win a championship, fine, let's go.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
So do we blame the Big Ten?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Then?
Speaker 9 (26:00):
I don't know. I actually kind of just blamed everyone
else for not being smarter. I mean, look, I mean
look Robin's Race and son you know this. It's if
all they're doing is they were they were kind of
figured out a better espionage way of doing things, which
you know, it's an American it's not right. But again,
(26:20):
what Conner Stallions did wasn't there wasn't any rule against
it because someone had to imagination to really come up
with it. And basically they said you can't you can't
scout opposing teams if you were part of the team. Well,
it wasn't really part of the team, so it's a
lot of technicalities involved here. Again, it's not it's unseemly,
it's not right, But I don't know. Personally, I kind
(26:41):
of think it's college football. You shouldn't have coordinators. You
should just have the quarterbacks throw all the plays up
in the dirt, let's go. But it's because it's not
like that. This is what we got.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Majid. I differ. We're on the same page in terms
of I felt that they should have taken away the
games and vacated wins. And I know we look back
at it and say, like, who cares, we saw the
games as it played. But I just feel that the
next time Michigan has their anniversary team, it's gonna be
that much better because they didn't have the penalties for it.
(27:11):
Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I'm living in a crazy I'm
not a bet.
Speaker 9 (27:14):
I'm not a Michigan guy by any stretch. I find everybody,
including some of my oldest and dearest friends, some of
the most annoying people on the planet when it comes
to that school, I was around, I was witnessed at
fellow other Big Ten schools, for Fab five era. I
don't care if they don't have banners. I thought it
was fun. Nobody cares. I mean, that's not a deterrent.
You're telling me you can win a national championship now,
(27:36):
and ooh, you don't have you to have a little,
you know, a picnic later, you know, ten years later,
you know again.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Here Pete Ftech joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
publisher of College Footballnews dot com. There are other college
football matters, so let's just dive into that. As he said,
a week from tomorrow, we've got week zero coming up,
and then two weeks in gosh geez, August thirtieth, our
first full Saturday slate of games. We had an APE
(28:04):
poll come out this week. Texas number one, Penn State
barely number two, as they were also close to being
the top ring team in the nation, Ohio State number three.
What's your one, two three? As we start out the
campaign in a couple of weeks, Penn State one.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
Let's just start with that. If it was anybody else,
if Alabama had Penn State team, or Ohio State or Georgia,
they would be number one and no one else would
get a first place vote. It just they've got more
talent than everyone else, they just aren't there because they
just haven't proven it yet. And oh, James Franklin can't
win the big one even though he's won over seventy
percent of his game so far. And you know it's
(28:40):
Penn State. They haven't done yet. They've got just about
everyone back, and they're like one of the few teams
that has a starting quarterback returning. I mean, that's the
big storyline here is you know, ask any you know,
average or even you know, big time college football fan
in the starting quarterback for Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon,
Notre Dame right now. It's they're going with new guys.
(29:02):
So and even Georgia is starting with someone new. And
arch Manning has only started four games against like UTEP
and you know, Texas San Antonio, so it's not like
he's got a lot of experience. So Penn State's got
absolutely everything in place to be the number one overall team,
and then it's just a mish mash from there. I mean, Georgia, Alabama, Texas,
(29:22):
Notre Dame's probably undervalued right now, but all of them
are really really good. Texas is strong. I just I'm
not quite buying at Texas, is this be all end all?
It's their turn to win the national champions team right yet?
But because everyone knows who arch Manning is, they're.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Number one, it sounds like you're a drew Aller believer.
I am not.
Speaker 9 (29:43):
The believer is the wrong way to put it. I mean, look,
they got to the final four. I mean they were
one bad drew Aller passed away. He was actually not
bad last year. He was bad two years ago when
they couldn't complete a downfield throw. He was actually a
little bit underappreciated last year. And they came this close
to beating Notre Dame. Do they beat Ohio State in
(30:04):
the National Championship? No, But you know again, they got
pretty darn close, and older teams even better. So Allur's
at least experienced enough to be really good and be
at least good enough.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
And I'll say this, and it's it's not meant to
be a knock on Ohio State or Texas or really
Alabama and the LSU Georgia. It is actually good to
have it. Not that they're new blood, but it's just
different blood at the top top. So it gives us
another program even though, as you said.
Speaker 9 (30:33):
Past engine that could Texas program.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
You know what I'm saying. Every year we were accustomed
to Alabama being either one and two, Georgia being somewhere
around there. But to have a Penn State team now
with expectations not playing second fiddle to Ohio State or
to Michigan does give the college football season a little
bit of a different tilt to it than we had previously.
Speaker 9 (30:55):
Yeah, and the crazy part about it is Texas apparently
has never been a preseason number one team.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Yeah. I did not know that until it happened. I
didn't realize it. And for some reason, you know, the
people are up in arms that they're an underdog. You
don't know how sports work, then people. All right, Pete,
we appreciate it. Love talking to you, and we'll do
so again soon.
Speaker 9 (31:16):
That's great time. I have a great weekend.
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(32:57):
that show in a segment we like to call say
Doug ways In on the punishments handed down to Michigan
earlier today, what.
Speaker 10 (33:06):
You need to know is Michigan got hit what it hurts, right,
got hit where it hurts in the wallet, in the wallet.
And if you ask any Michigan coach or administrator, Okay,
four years, they felt like, despite the fact we're Michigan, huh,
that the hardest part for them was raising the money
(33:26):
and getting up to the level of Ohio State, because
Ohio State has never cared about anything other than how
can we put the best team on the field. Michigan
liked to have the academic repute. Ohio State just want
to win championships. Ohio State's run fast and loose with
rules for a lifetime, especially in the football side. Okay,
I'm guessing probably Michigan did too, only they like Notre Dame,
(33:48):
like to feel like they're academically above it. They finally
got to the level of full investment from the university
on the football program and now they're losing what ten
percent of their budget and all of them post what
would have been post season revenue.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
And my guess is what that hurts most is all.
Speaker 10 (34:06):
The Olympic sports, the ones that you don't hear about
Olympic sports are picked, the one you don't sucker, hockey,
track and field, lacrosse, any of those ones their budgets chopped.
And what you do is then you move it over
cleverly to Michigan football. Well, you can't. We cut the budget.
There's always ways, always ways. What do I know, I
(34:29):
just work for an NCENT institution.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
But I think that Doug's point is there's there's gaps. Again,
they were they were not going to be given this
harsh of a penalty if that's what Doug thinks, it's
harsh if they didn't have a previous NCAA investigation where
Jim Harbaugh was penalized and others were penalized. And on
(34:53):
top of it, it's the fact that Michigan destroyed evidence,
was uncooperative throughout the whole thing. We're going to go
back and forth and battle all of this, and Doug
saying that, I think Doug is saying two things he's
saying that Michigan was hurt in the dollar portion of it,
but he's not saying Michigan football is being already's saying
(35:13):
all the other sports are being hurt. I think that
ultimately goes back to your point, Manzi. If you can
hurt the people who accomplished it or who were a
part of it, then you try to do that. And
I don't think that's what this penalty does.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah, I totally hear what he's saying, but I disagree
where it's like they hit him where it hurts the most.
I actually don't think that. I know what he's talking about,
the money and how I'm saying that. I think it'll
be other areas are going to be affected by this,
but like, this is not hitting them where it hurts
the most. Because their football program, I don't think is
going to be that affected by it.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Everybody else might be.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
It might be spread out, so maybe you don't feel
the effects. But no, the real punishment was to punish
them from winning that championship and vacate it.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Do I just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
It's very very simple, right.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
It's very simple. Let's let's not pretend this is a
gray area.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Jerry Tarkanian had a phrase, and I think this kind
of is in line to what Doug is saying about
the Olympic sports that Michigan has. Jerry Tarkanian was talking
about stuff that was going on at Kentucky when he
was the UNLV head coach. He said, the NCAA was
so mad at Kentucky. They're going to give Cleveland State
two more years probation. It's kind of a joke on
(36:30):
on who's really paying the penalty because of what Kentucky
would mean. And I think that's part of this Michigan
thing of the Doug's point these fines in other places,
it's gonna hurt Michigan, but ultimately it's going to hurt
the kids who don't even play football.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Had literally nothing to do with this.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
So it's it's an interesting angle. But again, Jim Harpbaugh,
Connor Stallion's got penalties. But by no means do I
think that they were rightly punished in this whole deal.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
No, because they can still come back, right.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Like, well, Harbaugh's gonna need fifteen years Like.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
No, no, not to coach, but if they celebrate the
year that they won, Harbaugh could can come back.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Have rallies and yeah, stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
So what are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
No, if they would have said you can't come back
to the premises for twenty years, maybe, but no, he's.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Gonna be back.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
This silly, this silly, this is nothing. This is a
don't do it again time.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Out back in that. Oh, we don't have the back end.
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(37:47):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Oh what's up? Everybody? Happy Friday?
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Doug Gottlieb was in for Colin Cowherd this morning, So
you get me Monty Bilanos and Dan Bayer as we
fill in. Hope you're enjoying your Friday, maybe having a cocktail.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
It's already one o'clock.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
If I was not here with Dan, I would probably
be having a cocktail right now.
Speaker 4 (00:38):
I was just mixing them in the back.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
I would be I'd be afraid.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
If you made me a cocktail, I would know how
to shake.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
You would not a shake.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
That's that's about it.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (00:52):
I would try to flip it all up. Cocktail is
at the Tom Cruise movie. That's what I would try
to do.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
It's like, uh, what is that I'm blaking out on
that show?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
The restaurant Guy John Sean, Oh bar Rescue and how
you're you know how you're supposed to shake.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
You got to get into it.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Dan, my buddy, was an extra in an episode of Bars. Yeah,
he sat at the bar, tasted a drink and was
not pleased. That was his That was his role in
the UH in the undercover operation before changes were made
to rescue that bar.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
I love John Taffer. I just want him to yell
at me.
Speaker 4 (01:31):
Those shows like you have to yell. It's what makes
Gordon Ramsey like so great, Like you have to be
mean to these people. But some of those are fake.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yes, a side note, I did an episode for Dodgers
for that Gordon Ramsey Hell's Kitchen whatever.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
That was master Chef, That's what it was.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
It was a thing with Freddie Freeman and his wife
and I was like the tour guide and I did
a thing and I wanted to see what his name.
I don't watch the show, Gordon Ramsay, guess I wanted
to see and I wanted to see if he was actually.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
Like that nicest guy ever all smiles.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Until it was time to do the episode, everybody was
chatting with super nice guy did not come off like
what you would expect on TV.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
There was there was another show that was completely staged.
There was someone who worked here at Fox Sports Radio
that did some acting on the side. Oh yeah, and
she was used as the bad waitress, the one who
would take like the toast from your blt and wipe
it under her arms nice and then like that's and
then she had a different.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
Name every time.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
I had a different backstory. But we saw that one
and I there are so many restaurants shows that have
different you know, undercover or whatever, all the different ones.
But that's how I found out. I'm like, wow, some
of these may not be as real as you think.
That's like the house Hunting episodes or the house Hunter
(03:00):
and those when you're looking for places to go, I
think it's done in the reverse order. Like you found
your home, so that's going to be one of the
three homes you look at. Now, they just got to
find two other vacant ones that they could use to
make the TV show absolutely right, Like we found this
magic Yeah, we found this two bedroom condo that we
wanted to buy on the shores of the Outer Banks
(03:20):
in North Carolina. Awesome, if you want to be on
a TV show, We'll find two other blank or vacant
properties and show you those and you can get on
a TV show. I think that's how it works. I'm not,
don't quote me on that, but I feel that that's
that's right, like the hay was already in.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
The barn exactly.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
That's the magic behind it. There is no magic behind
the NBA schedule. It's eighty two games for each team
that goes from mid October to mid April, and then
we start to care about the playoffs. However, this year's
NBA schedule has gotten more attention not for who plays
who and where and a little bit of when, but
it's more of where on TV. In yesterday, it was
(03:57):
brought up for basketball fans when the schedules released on
what you can expect to get from an NBA season
that we have never had before because I think our
normal schedules, Manzi, where we knew Thursday nights was TNT,
Wednesday and Friday was ESPN, and then TNT would have
(04:20):
Tuesday games at times as well, and you get your
Saturday night ABC game and maybe random games here and there.
But you knew on Thursday night you could count on
TNT and Wednesday and Fridays on ESPN, and that was
fine with me. Maybe there'd be a random game on
NBA TV. But this is how your NBA regular season
will now be viewed for the seven days of the
(04:42):
week when the NBA regular season is going on, Monday
nights Peacock only, Tuesday nights NBC and Peacock, Wednesday's ESPN,
Thursday's Amazon Prime, Friday's Amazon Prime and E Saturday's Amazon Prime, ABC,
(05:04):
Sunday's ABC, NBC and Peacock. So we have five nights
out of the week where you will get either ESPN
or of the game on network TV, whether it be
ABC or NBC. Monday and Thursday nights will be streaming exclusives.
Monday to Peacock, Thursday to Amazon Prime. And to me, MONTI,
(05:25):
they've now completely eliminated the casual viewing NBA fan that
I am because I am not going to be loading
up an app on my screen to be searching out
the Nuggets and Grizzlies in mid January. It's just not
going to happen if it was on TNT, if it
(05:47):
was on ESPN that night. I know I may sound
like a dinosaur, but I would tune in, but I'm
not going to actively go to these spots when the
season is as long as it is. I just I
don't think that the NBA is trying to broaden their audience.
It's a broadening of the pocketbook and trying to seem
(06:09):
forward thinking in all of this.
Speaker 3 (06:11):
It's just interesting that they've made these choices knowing that
the viewership is already down and now you're making it
a little bit more complicated for the casual fan and
as more than I would say a casual fan myself
when it comes to the NBA, you are making this
more complicated for me than it needs to be. And
I'm somebody who does look for these games, but now
I'm going to be like, no NBA on TNT, what
(06:34):
games am I really.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Going to tune into?
Speaker 3 (06:36):
Because, like you said, aside from the Clippers, like you said,
it's a long season. This isn't comparable to the NFL
putting one off games on streaming services for eighteen weeks
of the season twenty two.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
You get what I'm saying, Like, it's not the same.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
So I don't know what Basketball is thinking, because it
does seem like this is shoving out maybe a lot
of the casual fans. It should be easy for me
to tune into a game not more difficult.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
I and I don't want to sound like a dinosaur.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Now they can do.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
But I just I I have a satellite direct TV package,
and I know those are becoming fewer and fewer. I
am more curious on people who have unplugged from that,
like Jason Stewart. I don't know what your TV set up.
Do you have cable satellite stream?
Speaker 3 (07:22):
We do to direct TV the like app, So I
don't have like a SAP, but I do have cable
like an app that is streaming, but it's like the
cable channels, right, like I have TV. I have Amazon Prime,
but I don't have Peacock. I'm not going to add
it now.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
I will watch the NFL games on Thursday night on Amazon. Yeah,
and maybe not think twice about it. But I'll be honest,
when halftime comes around, I do feel a little bit handcuffed. Okay,
Now do I drop out of the app? Hopefully that
the Apple work get back yep. And that's just for
one of two hundred and seventy two NFL games that
(07:56):
we get in the season. When you have thirty teams
playing eighty two games, there's a lot of basketball for
me to consume, none of which I'm probably going to
be unless you're playing fantasy basketball or betting on the
games that I'm gonna or if it's not the box playing,
I'm not going to have that diar of a need
to watch. I just feel that the NBA doesn't give
(08:18):
you a lot of reasons to watch regular season basketball,
and now they're making it more difficult for you to
watch it with it being on these streaming services on
these selective nights.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
They are making it more difficult.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
And I can only assume that those big games that
you and I and everybody else wants to watch are
probably going to.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Be on NBC ABC on different days, those people were
already going to tune in.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
But all the other games that you're talking about, which
is what we're mentioning here, to the NBA, you're not
making the right decision for all those other games that
you should be trying to make easily accessible to the
casual fan.
Speaker 4 (08:57):
It misses the mark absolutely to me. To me, it does.
I think the NBA the way to make it better
is to and I know that this isn't a real
way of thinking, but would be to provide less games,
like to provide to make it more of the one off.
So a long long time ago, Mansie, before you were
even born, Jason and Isaac and myself remember this. Chris
(09:20):
is too young to remember it. But there were games
of the week and so it was a big deal,
especially in Major League Baseball. Now, granted we didn't have
as many options, but still it's not like there are
forty two channels with games on them like they're still
it's either ESPN or or in this case now NBC
having the games and previously the Turner channels, but it
made it a must watch thing. Having games on every
(09:42):
night makes it less of an immediate need to watch
the games. And now if I have to do more
to watch those games, it's not working. You're pointing comparing
it to the NFL is completely right. They're not comparable
sapples to oranges. It doesn't work.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
And this is coming from an actual NBA fan that
I like to watch other teams than the Clippers. But
now you're making me be You're making me feel like
it's a hassle, and I shouldn't feel that way.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
When your birthday is late January, right, it is? Yes,
here's his man, Jennuary. Yes it is So on January
twenty sixth on Peacock, you can watch the Magic Cavaliers,
Trailblazers or Celtics and the Warriors and the Timberwolves, or
you could just wait the next night and watch the
Bucks and Sixers and Clippers and Jazz. So if you
(10:34):
had to, like, would you is there anything that would
make you say, you know what, I'm going to watch
Magic Calves, even though then tomorrow, no, I'm going to
watch this game. And then on Wednesday you've got more
games that you can end up watching on ESPN. Like
that's the and NBC's is going to be different. By
the way, I believe that that the West Coast is
going to get the late game in their primetime and
(10:55):
then the East Coast will have the early game in
their primetime, and the other game is going to be
on Peacock. That's the understanding. So it's not like you're
getting an NBC double header every single night. I think
that they are staggered on Peacock and NBC for the
specific coast. But it's just the point of if you
don't have a dog in the fight, I know you
have a clip with the Clippers, and that's a bad example,
but if you wanted to watch get your NBA fixed
(11:17):
with Bucks and Sixers, there'd be no reason to watch
Blazer Celtics or Matt you know, Magic and Calves.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
As you're as you're telling me all this, I'm like,
why are we complicating the situation for NBA fans? Because
if there is a game that I think I'm gonna
catch on a certain day of the week and I
turn turn it on and it's not there, I'm.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Gonna get over it really quickly.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
Like by the end of the season, I feel like
the numbers are going to be really low for the NBA.
People are gonna be tired of keeping this schedule. I
can barely keep my own schedule now I'm gonna have
to be like, Okay, on Mondays.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Where are we playing? Who's forget it? Forget it? Put
on reruns of Law and Order. I don't even care anymore.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
It's also it's also shows you the value of inside
the NBA is that you just knew that that show
was gonna be on on Thursday, so you may have
tuned into the game whether the game was good or not.
Speaker 3 (12:03):
I was gonna say people were tuning in for them
the game was the game was like an added bonus.
But you you watched NBA on T and T to
watch the guys. The game was just supplemental.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Is that the word? Is it right?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (12:16):
No, that's yeah. Addition all that, No, it supplements the
house game show that we all would rather watch. Jason,
you cut the cord a while, I think it have
gone streaming. How do you view this as someone who
isn't a satellite or cable user.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
A couple of things. I think saying that I still
have cable but it's on an app is the cutest
way to say. I cut the cord. I still have cable,
but it's on an app.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
It is it is, got it stream it.
Speaker 5 (12:45):
I cut the cord real early, like twenty eighteen. And
I am a very casual NBA fan. In fact, I
don't even know if I didn't work in the industry,
I don't even know if I would follow the NBA anymore.
So this to me completely takes me out. I'm definitely
not seeking out NBA games on Peacock, and I think
a lot of our listeners probably followed in my category.
(13:07):
I think a lot of the decisions that the NBA
has made over the past couple years has catered to
their like p ones, their NBA fans, as opposed to
trying to draw more into the tent. Right the play
in game for the playoffs, who's that serving NBA fans?
The NBA Cup is serving NBA fans. Whatever the hell
(13:30):
they're doing with their All Star weekend now is definitely
serving only NBA fans because I'm not interested.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
I do think that the play in tournament did something
with the fan bases of those teams to keep those
fan bases interested, yes, in a bit longer to think
that they have a chance or have the opportunity to
make the playoffs, and keep them more interested in the
regular season.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
I think it brought excitement, but it was just short lived,
and it might not be for all the fan bases
like you're saying, but it does a level of excitement
that we weren't experiencing in the middle of the season.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
The games like when Jah Moran had like forty something
against the Warriors and we were actually fortunate to get
like the Warriors and Lakers in these games to make
them interesting. I think that was like the newness of it,
and it's exciting now that it's been here. A couple
of years. I think, to Jason's point, maybe it's worn off,
but I feel like their decision making behind what the
(14:26):
play in tournament was was to try to keep more
fan bases interested to have their team still be in
the running for a playoff spot. These decisions are being
made for the people who are already going to consume
the NBA and not trying to bring in more people
to watch the product.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Yeah. No, these decisions are made for money. Yeah, yes,
that's what this is really all about. And it's just
sad because if you want to keep this simple in
black and white, this is about money, and you are
not doing this for the casual basketball fan when you
were already losing viewership.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
You are already losing that, so why divide it even more?
Why make it more complicated. I'm having a hard time
with this.
Speaker 5 (15:08):
Can we talk about the app experience in any sport?
And I even come across this on the NFL stuff
like Christmas Day or whatever. When you're just watching the app,
you very much lose that channel surfing during breaks, channel
surfing during downtown. Unless you've got multiple team you need
to do something to fix that. Some technology I don't
(15:31):
know what the answer is. But going to an app
for a game, and I've done it for the Caitlin
Clark games, You're just stuck on this Amazon app without it,
without any channel surfing. What's the fix there?
Speaker 4 (15:41):
I don't know. I have no idea, and I've wondered
if there are other like if you could if you
could just use your channel changer like an app, but
there's still stuff within that that you would have to
access the game because of all the opportunities of programming, and.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
Then scroll through here through that get It's not it's
not like just changing the channel.
Speaker 2 (16:03):
I agree with you, Jason, and that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
It's like if I'm trying to watch a game, and
let's just hypothetically say I get Peacock and I try
to load Peacock and it doesn't work, I'm gonna be
over it so fast.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
And that's the problem. It should be easily accessible to me.
I shouldn't have.
Speaker 3 (16:18):
To go through hoops and things to try and you know,
watch a damn game.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
Can I ask the group a question along these lines,
for all of you, when you've been watching games on
apps and devices, how often does the stream at least
temporarily either stop working entirely, or there's a problem with
the video quality of the feed, Like it's all blurry
(16:47):
and how many times does it just cut out altogether
every damn day?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
Really?
Speaker 5 (16:52):
Me too, Me too.
Speaker 4 (16:54):
It hasn't as much to me.
Speaker 5 (16:56):
Nice, but it speaks to your internet connection.
Speaker 4 (17:01):
Yes, I mean we're you know, to the top level. No,
I've watched games on the golf course on my phone. Okay,
so like no, like like it.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
But it's such a flex No, it's.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Not the technology of country. I I it's not. And
that's the part where I think where I'm trying not
to sound like, get off my long gun. I know
Chris wants to jump in. I just want to quick
make this point of I don't think it's about the
technology and being old. I think it's about the NBA
(17:34):
valuing their product in a way that they think we
want to consume it seven nights a week and now
I have to do extra work to do it. And
I think that's the gross misjudgment on this is the
NFL is great because we don't have it every night,
and the season is shorter, so we are always craving it.
(17:55):
We are already complaining about more basketball. Now you're giving
us more basketball and you're making it more difficult for
me to watch it.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
That's where I think that they've completely missed the boat
on what the casual fan really wants. And again Manzi says,
it goes back to Wenny Chris Papet. You know.
Speaker 7 (18:15):
The sport that's on every night that like doesn't take
up any of our attention span a lot is baseball.
So like, I mean, I like baseball, but it is
absolutely I'm willing to throw a Tigers game on in
the background kind of thing. I think if basketball keeps
putting itself out there like this, it kind of threatens
to be that. But they want to be the event.
And the other point that the main.
Speaker 4 (18:37):
And I'm sorry, but it is a great, great point
because the NBA needs to think more like Major League
Baseball and not like the NFL.
Speaker 7 (18:44):
Right, So they have too many games to be an event,
but they want that event or that the NFL has,
and it's just they're always going to lose out. But
I think the big thing that the problem here more
than anything, and it's a problem for every sports league
out there, is as you're embracing streaming technology. All these
frustrations you're all talking about that is a negative for everyone,
(19:06):
that will eventually drive people away. And I think as
much as they've seen them, the dollar signs with Amazon, Peacock, Netflix.
I I'm a big soccer fan and I saw and
MLS retreated their entire package behind Apple TV plus the
next that same year, after they did that, they had
(19:28):
a sixty percent drop in the MLS Cup final that
they put on main big time Fox TV. Sixty percent
of the audience went away because nobody you're you're managing,
as you say, multiple apps. Do you have Peacock, do
you have Amazon? And I think that that is something
losing channel flipping, all these things add up to an
experience that is a almost more expensive now than cable
(19:53):
in a lot of ways, and b pushes the casual
fan away and just I think you start losing the
act accessibility of sports entirely. And I just wonder at
some point does the does that rooster come home? Does
those hens come home to roost? For the NBA and
they see their ratings likewise, try to go from a
streaming ecosystem back to network TV and then the ratings tank.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, I think both of you are hitting it on
the head where it's like you think you're making this more.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Accessible, but you're actually not.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
There were times when I would you'd be able to
watch an NBA game, and sometimes it was it would
go from ESPN to like T and T and they
would tell you, oh, you know, next game is over there,
and I just hit a button and I'd.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Go back to it. Now, that's it's not making it
simple for me.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
And I agree with what you're saying, Chris, it should
they should look more at baseball. I don't know how
basketball doesn't take advantage of like day games more often
during the during the regular season. Have a noon game,
people will go sure right now, people love did not
go to work.
Speaker 7 (20:56):
M WEILB has their own very strong app and MLBtv
as well. And I I think back like ten years ago,
League Pass was a cool thing. I don't hear about
League Pass anymore, and I don't think League Pass really
holds the candle to what they do.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Leave Bess is a big thing within NBA Twitter, and
that's and that's the point is Adam Silver in the
NBA are catering to the to that audience, to the
NBA Twitter audience and to a place where they can
catch their checks. To Moncy's point, I don't think it
does anything for us to like the NBA regular season more,
since we've been complaining about it for years and now
(21:29):
this just gives us more difficulty to try to to
try to like something that we already are frustrated with.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
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Isaac Longcrown is going to give us an update of
what's happening in the world of sports in about nine minutes.
Maybe we'll take all of those nine and talk about
the scandal in college football that apparently wrapped up today
Michigan finding out their sanctions by the NCAA following the
(22:12):
Connor Stallions spying scandal. To talk about that and so
much more, we welcome in, publisher of College Footballnews dot
Com and someone who you will probably hear four hundred
and fifty two more times on the network between now
and the National Championship game in January. The one and
only Pete Futech joins the programmer. Hello, Pete, how are you?
Speaker 9 (22:33):
And no appearance is going to be better than this
one because you've got fully charged me at this point.
You get me in mid to late October. I'm not
promising anything, all right.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Pete, Let's get right into it. Did Michigan get off
easy here?
Speaker 9 (22:48):
Yeah? I mean, look, first of all, it's not really
a scandal nothing. No laws were broken here, I mean,
and in fact, most of the things that are getting
punished for or actually not illegal according to NCAA rules.
So they just got kind of, you know, slapped on
the risks for being naughty. But let's be honest here,
(23:09):
Jim Harbaugh is never going to coach in the college
ranks again. He's too good of a head coach. He'll
stay there forever, counter Stallions whatever. Sharon Moore is not
going to get to coach against you know, Central Directional
State or something like this for one game. And twenty
million dollars is pocket change. That's a rounding ara to
Michigan and all the good Michigan Maze and Blue people
(23:29):
get to keep all their national championship T shirts and
Ohio State. People are still mad big Win, Michigan fine
ball gets kicked off on Saturday. Let's go.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Yeah, it's I mean, it's it is crazy. It is
someone who's based in the Midwest, from the Midwest, and
I know Pete your roots are there as well. Like
it seems like it's a bigger deal to those teams
than those schools that were affected by it. Is Is
this an NCAA doesn't have power? Is it to more
(23:58):
of what you were saying on how it's not the
maybe scandal of all scandals, because I said to Manti,
I just said, it's what happened previously with the COVID
stuff that I thought they were really going to get
hammered because this wasn't the first time. But why do
you think it ended up like this?
Speaker 9 (24:14):
There's nothing you can do. And like, first of all,
the whole Midwest thing is like the coaches who are
graping about this thing, they knew this was going on,
and one they were mad that they didn't think of
it first. Two they weren't any good at it, the
ones who were kind of half trying it, and they're
just three they never called them out like Okay, you
could have said something at the time, guys, but you didn't,
(24:37):
and the time to do this was right in the
middle of the run. How this should have happened is
if the Big Ten had at they should have said,
you know what, you are ineligible to play for the
Big Ten Championship and to go from there. The College
Footballlayoff committee's job would have been to take all the
different parts and say, Okay, we still think Michigan should
be anyway. It's not really their job to judge that.
(24:59):
They're just job to come up with a tournament and
go from there. But there was no way the Big
Ten was going to say, hey, Michigan, hey, thanks for
making us like a jillion dollars a year. Now you're
going to get suspended from our biggest showcase game and
maybe not go play for the national championship. There's no
way they're going to suspend them for the future, because
if they did and say, you know what, you're ineligible
(25:20):
for the postseason, you'd get a call from you know,
either you know somewhere around Bristol, Connecticut, or Grapevine, Texas
or somewhere saying no, we don't want you to keep
Michigan out of the tournament of the college football playoffs
if they're eligible for this, So what are you gonna do?
Are you gonna punish you know, future teams? Okay, I
mean maybe you can take away scholarships or something, but
(25:40):
there's just really no punishment. Vacated wins do nothing. If
they were just come out and say, well, you are
not the official national championshampion, like Michigan fans care, we'd
all take that deal. If you're telling me right now
that that's the punishment. But my favorite teams get to
win a championship, fine, let's go.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
So do we blame the Big Ten?
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Then?
Speaker 9 (26:00):
I don't know. I actually kind of just blamed everyone
else for not being smarter. I mean, look, I mean
look Robin's Race and son you know this. It's if
all they're doing is they were they were kind of
figured out a better espionage way of doing things, which
you know, it's an American it's not right. But again,
(26:20):
what Conner Stallions did wasn't there wasn't any rule against
it because someone had to imagination to really come up
with it. And basically they said you can't you can't
scout opposing teams if you were part of the team. Well,
it wasn't really part of the team, so it's a
lot of technicalities involved here. Again, it's not it's unseemly,
it's not right, But I don't know. Personally, I kind
(26:41):
of think it's college football. You shouldn't have coordinators. You
should just have the quarterbacks throw all the plays up
in the dirt, let's go. But it's because it's not
like that. This is what we got.
Speaker 4 (26:50):
Majid. I differ. We're on the same page in terms
of I felt that they should have taken away the
games and vacated wins. And I know we look back
at it and say, like, who cares, we saw the
games as it played. But I just feel that the
next time Michigan has their anniversary team, it's gonna be
that much better because they didn't have the penalties for it.
(27:11):
Maybe I'm wrong, Maybe I'm living in a crazy I'm
not a bet.
Speaker 9 (27:14):
I'm not a Michigan guy by any stretch. I find everybody,
including some of my oldest and dearest friends, some of
the most annoying people on the planet when it comes
to that school, I was around, I was witnessed at
fellow other Big Ten schools, for Fab five era. I
don't care if they don't have banners. I thought it
was fun. Nobody cares. I mean, that's not a deterrent.
You're telling me you can win a national championship now,
(27:36):
and ooh, you don't have you to have a little,
you know, a picnic later, you know, ten years later,
you know again.
Speaker 4 (27:40):
Here Pete Ftech joining us here on Fox Sports Radio,
publisher of College Footballnews dot com. There are other college
football matters, so let's just dive into that. As he said,
a week from tomorrow, we've got week zero coming up,
and then two weeks in gosh geez, August thirtieth, our
first full Saturday slate of games. We had an APE
(28:04):
poll come out this week. Texas number one, Penn State
barely number two, as they were also close to being
the top ring team in the nation, Ohio State number three.
What's your one, two three? As we start out the
campaign in a couple of weeks, Penn State one.
Speaker 9 (28:18):
Let's just start with that. If it was anybody else,
if Alabama had Penn State team, or Ohio State or Georgia,
they would be number one and no one else would
get a first place vote. It just they've got more
talent than everyone else, they just aren't there because they
just haven't proven it yet. And oh, James Franklin can't
win the big one even though he's won over seventy
percent of his game so far. And you know it's
(28:40):
Penn State. They haven't done yet. They've got just about
everyone back, and they're like one of the few teams
that has a starting quarterback returning. I mean, that's the
big storyline here is you know, ask any you know,
average or even you know, big time college football fan
in the starting quarterback for Alabama, Michigan, Ohio State, Oregon,
Notre Dame right now. It's they're going with new guys.
(29:02):
So and even Georgia is starting with someone new. And
arch Manning has only started four games against like UTEP
and you know, Texas San Antonio, so it's not like
he's got a lot of experience. So Penn State's got
absolutely everything in place to be the number one overall team,
and then it's just a mish mash from there. I mean, Georgia, Alabama, Texas,
(29:22):
Notre Dame's probably undervalued right now, but all of them
are really really good. Texas is strong. I just I'm
not quite buying at Texas, is this be all end all?
It's their turn to win the national champions team right yet?
But because everyone knows who arch Manning is, they're.
Speaker 4 (29:36):
Number one, it sounds like you're a drew Aller believer.
I am not.
Speaker 9 (29:43):
The believer is the wrong way to put it. I mean, look,
they got to the final four. I mean they were
one bad drew Aller passed away. He was actually not
bad last year. He was bad two years ago when
they couldn't complete a downfield throw. He was actually a
little bit underappreciated last year. And they came this close
to beating Notre Dame. Do they beat Ohio State in
(30:04):
the National Championship? No, But you know again, they got
pretty darn close, and older teams even better. So Allur's
at least experienced enough to be really good and be
at least good enough.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
And I'll say this, and it's it's not meant to
be a knock on Ohio State or Texas or really
Alabama and the LSU Georgia. It is actually good to
have it. Not that they're new blood, but it's just
different blood at the top top. So it gives us
another program even though, as you said.
Speaker 9 (30:33):
Past engine that could Texas program.
Speaker 4 (30:36):
You know what I'm saying. Every year we were accustomed
to Alabama being either one and two, Georgia being somewhere
around there. But to have a Penn State team now
with expectations not playing second fiddle to Ohio State or
to Michigan does give the college football season a little
bit of a different tilt to it than we had previously.
Speaker 9 (30:55):
Yeah, and the crazy part about it is Texas apparently
has never been a preseason number one team.
Speaker 4 (31:01):
Yeah. I did not know that until it happened. I
didn't realize it. And for some reason, you know, the
people are up in arms that they're an underdog. You
don't know how sports work, then people. All right, Pete,
we appreciate it. Love talking to you, and we'll do
so again soon.
Speaker 9 (31:16):
That's great time. I have a great weekend.
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(32:57):
that show in a segment we like to call say
Doug ways In on the punishments handed down to Michigan
earlier today, what.
Speaker 10 (33:06):
You need to know is Michigan got hit what it hurts, right,
got hit where it hurts in the wallet, in the wallet.
And if you ask any Michigan coach or administrator, Okay,
four years, they felt like, despite the fact we're Michigan, huh,
that the hardest part for them was raising the money
(33:26):
and getting up to the level of Ohio State, because
Ohio State has never cared about anything other than how
can we put the best team on the field. Michigan
liked to have the academic repute. Ohio State just want
to win championships. Ohio State's run fast and loose with
rules for a lifetime, especially in the football side. Okay,
I'm guessing probably Michigan did too, only they like Notre Dame,
(33:48):
like to feel like they're academically above it. They finally
got to the level of full investment from the university
on the football program and now they're losing what ten
percent of their budget and all of them post what
would have been post season revenue.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
And my guess is what that hurts most is all.
Speaker 10 (34:06):
The Olympic sports, the ones that you don't hear about
Olympic sports are picked, the one you don't sucker, hockey,
track and field, lacrosse, any of those ones their budgets chopped.
And what you do is then you move it over
cleverly to Michigan football. Well, you can't. We cut the budget.
There's always ways, always ways. What do I know, I
(34:29):
just work for an NCENT institution.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
But I think that Doug's point is there's there's gaps. Again,
they were they were not going to be given this
harsh of a penalty if that's what Doug thinks, it's
harsh if they didn't have a previous NCAA investigation where
Jim Harbaugh was penalized and others were penalized. And on
(34:53):
top of it, it's the fact that Michigan destroyed evidence,
was uncooperative throughout the whole thing. We're going to go
back and forth and battle all of this, and Doug
saying that, I think Doug is saying two things he's
saying that Michigan was hurt in the dollar portion of it,
but he's not saying Michigan football is being already's saying
(35:13):
all the other sports are being hurt. I think that
ultimately goes back to your point, Manzi. If you can
hurt the people who accomplished it or who were a
part of it, then you try to do that. And
I don't think that's what this penalty does.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Yeah, I totally hear what he's saying, but I disagree
where it's like they hit him where it hurts the most.
I actually don't think that. I know what he's talking about,
the money and how I'm saying that. I think it'll
be other areas are going to be affected by this,
but like, this is not hitting them where it hurts
the most. Because their football program, I don't think is
going to be that affected by it.
Speaker 2 (35:48):
Everybody else might be.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
It might be spread out, so maybe you don't feel
the effects. But no, the real punishment was to punish
them from winning that championship and vacate it.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
Do I just I don't know.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
It's very very simple, right.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
It's very simple. Let's let's not pretend this is a
gray area.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Jerry Tarkanian had a phrase, and I think this kind
of is in line to what Doug is saying about
the Olympic sports that Michigan has. Jerry Tarkanian was talking
about stuff that was going on at Kentucky when he
was the UNLV head coach. He said, the NCAA was
so mad at Kentucky. They're going to give Cleveland State
two more years probation. It's kind of a joke on
(36:30):
on who's really paying the penalty because of what Kentucky
would mean. And I think that's part of this Michigan
thing of the Doug's point these fines in other places,
it's gonna hurt Michigan, but ultimately it's going to hurt
the kids who don't even play football.
Speaker 2 (36:45):
Had literally nothing to do with this.
Speaker 4 (36:47):
So it's it's an interesting angle. But again, Jim Harpbaugh,
Connor Stallion's got penalties. But by no means do I
think that they were rightly punished in this whole deal.
Speaker 2 (37:01):
No, because they can still come back, right.
Speaker 4 (37:03):
Like, well, Harbaugh's gonna need fifteen years Like.
Speaker 3 (37:05):
No, no, not to coach, but if they celebrate the
year that they won, Harbaugh could can come back.
Speaker 4 (37:10):
Have rallies and yeah, stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
So what are we talking about?
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (37:14):
No, if they would have said you can't come back
to the premises for twenty years, maybe, but no, he's.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Gonna be back.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
This silly, this silly, this is nothing. This is a
don't do it again time.
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Out back in that. Oh, we don't have the back end.
What does the Fox say? I thought we I thought
we had a back end to it. She's watsi belaanio?
So I'm Dan Bayer. That's it for the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here.
We're in for Doug on Monday, by the and we're
also in for Covino and Rich. That's next year on
(37:47):
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On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!