October 1, 2025 • 37 mins
Dan and Monse in for Doug as they partake in this week's edition of The Midway about the latest drama in the WNBA. Dan and Monse discuss the Browns' decision to make Dillon Gabriel their starting quarterback. Plus, Briana Muro takes Dan and Monse through The Press.
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
I have a confession to make, Monty. I can't stand
it when people call the WNBA the W. It annoys
me like no other the W.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
What about the m NBA?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
There you go, BM, Let's just call it yes association. No,
it's just WNBA like they're trying to sound cool. They're
trying to sound a hit by calling it the W.
Here's my suggestion, you have one. Okay, instead of calling
it the W, let's call it the T because there
is always ta going on with the W NBA.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
That's great.
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Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's funny because you heard Brie say that the Browns
have made a change at quarterback, something we're going to
get to in about twenty minutes or so. The change
at quarterback is Dylan Gabriel in for Joe Flacco. I
did not mention should or Sanders, but somehow, some way,
should door Sanders has also become a part of the
(01:48):
conversation that comes up in about twenty five minutes. But
you know it's the middle of the show, in the
middle of the week. That means he's not getting.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Time for.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
The midway.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I think I mischaracterized Jason Stewart when I called him
the thoughtful critic. Was it thoughtful skeptic? Which one was it?
Speaker 7 (02:11):
Yeah, you know, skeptic is better. Let's I thought, whatever
makes me sound smarter.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
As Doug calls him the resident, Jason prefers thoughtful skeptic,
and Jim Rome called him the benign troll.
Speaker 8 (02:26):
I like that one too. I like that one too,
Benign Troll.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
What have we got for the midway today, Jason?
Speaker 7 (02:32):
Okay, so we got some drama in the w n
b A. We're not talking about matchups, We're not talking
about box scorers.
Speaker 8 (02:40):
I don't know who is.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
Still playing in the w NBA playoffs, but this story
peaked my interest yesterday. There's so many layers to this,
but I think, UH, tell me if I'm misrepresenting her
manci the FISA Collier is one of the best players
in the league.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Sure absolutely, candidate absolutely and has her champion.
Speaker 8 (03:02):
Another league, the unrivaled.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
She took a torch to the commissioner of the NBA.
This Kathy Eggbert Engelbert Engelbert Engelbert. Yes, the WNBA. Some
call it the w I call it the t I
want to give you guys a little taste of what
Nafisa Collier said about the WNBA's commissionery yesterday.
Speaker 9 (03:24):
Our leadership's answer to being held accountable is to suppress
everyone's voices by handing out fines. I'm not concerned about
a fine. I'm concerned about the future of our sport.
At some point, everyone deserves to hear the truth. We
have the best players in the world, we have the
best fans in the world, but right now we have
the worst leadership in the world. If I didn't know
exactly what the job entailed, maybe I wouldn't feel this way.
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But unfortunately for them, I do we save a league
that has shown they think championship coaches and Hall of
Fame players are dispensable. And that's fine, it's professional sports.
But I will not stand quietly by and allow different
standards to be applied at the league level.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
Now then she starts getting into relaying a private conversation
that she had with the commissioner. I think it was
after last season. An example is what the commissioner told
her about Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 9 (04:11):
At Unarrivaled this past February, I sat across from Kathy
and asked how she planned to address the officiating issues
in our league. Her response was, will only the losers
complain about the refs? I also asked how she planned
to fix the fact that players like Caitlin Angel and Page,
who are clearly driving massive revenue for the league, are
making so little for their first four years. Her response was,
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Caitlyn should be grateful she makes sixty million off the court,
because without the platform that the WBA gives her, she wouldn't.
Speaker 8 (04:38):
Make anything, MANSI, what do you think that same.
Speaker 9 (04:41):
Conversation, she told me players should be on their knees
thanking their lucky stars for the media rightesteal that I
got them. That's mentality driving our league from the top.
We go to battle every day to protect a shield
that doesn't value us. The league believes it succeeds despite
its players, not because of them.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Go ahead, man, So I totally agree with Dan.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
And maybe we should call this league the Tea because
there is always tea and this is good tea.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I don't know if we ever really see a star in.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Another professional sport attacking commissioner like this.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
With specifics. And when I heard.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
This by Anfusta Collier, because I first saw it like
in a written statement, like a quote, and I was like, no, no, no,
I have to listen to it.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I want to know how it came off. Right.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
So I watched the video while I was working at
the Dodgers yesterday and I was like, okay, girl, why
not why not call her out? Because I do think
that the leadership of the WNBA has failed at times,
especially since Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, Paige Beckers has come
have come into the league, and they have not fixed
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the officiating issues. It's hard to watch the WNBA and
everybody was getting hurt, not just Caitlin Clark, which it
was a huge blow to the season, not just Angel Reese.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
There were clear issues and I have called out the w.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
NBA players for not handling themselves well throughout this entire
two years?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Was it with Kitlin Clark and Angel Reese around? And
now I'm like, you know what, girls, I may have
been too harsh on you, because you're right. If this
was your leadership, if this is how the commissioner is thinking,
then how are you not going to act out the
leadership needed to step in from the beginning.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
And I'm sorry, but I agree with the FISA Collier.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
There is there is something I don't know if ironics
the right phrase, but I just find it interesting that
now is the point where players care about the officiating
in the WNBA. That it's now at this point when
the VISA Collier gets injured, and a point that's been
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brought up when we started paying attention to the WNBA
last year because of Caitlin Clark and the physical play
that came with Caitlin Clark. At that point was not
a problem with the double NBA officials. At least the
players didn't seem that they had a problem with the
WNBA officials at that point in how Caitlin Clark was officiated.
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Now this is this is not meant to be a
let's bring it all back to Caitlin Clark sort of deal.
But the FISA Collier is now trying to gather the
Caitlin Clark fans and the Angel Rees fans and the
Page Beckers fans and getting them on her side. So
why now do you have a problem after you get
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hurt in the playoffs When this for us Johnny cum
Lately's has seemingly been an issue the last two years
in the WNBA. Why wasn't this statement mentioned last year
when it was happening. That's the part that I start
to question. I have no doubt that there could be
a problem with officiating and that they're just fed up
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with having to pay fines with the league not doing anything,
but I just it feels like now it happened to me,
so now I have to deal with it.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
You know what, I am not upset with you pointing
that out because you're right. Why now is there alter
your motives here? Is it because of unrival the league
that you are pushing? Like what exactly is it behind
you making this statement now?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I totally totally can see that.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
But at the same time, it came out now and
it's good, finally finally someone said it.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
But why didn't they do it last year?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Good question? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
That's a big question, yes, And that's like, that's the issue,
and that's why it is a little bit difficult for
me to take everything that the FISA collier is saying
as legitimate when these issues have been going on. But
last year when Caitlin Clark was getting pushed to the
ground and shoved to the ground, it was an issue.
Now the FESA collier gets injured on a crappy foul
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and it's you gotta do something WNBA Like that to
me is a double standard in and why her words? Yesay,
while so many said men, you've got to listen to it,
and I did, and I thought that she did a
great job in laying out her points, But I also
felt that you could see the motives behind a lot
of her points, and I know we have even more
from her saying that. But that's just my issue is
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why now is it because you're the one that was
hurt because this has been going on for a while.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
But see the thing is like she maybe it is
now because she's hurt because she can speak on it
for herself.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I totally hear what you're saying, and you're not wrong.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I'm just saying, like, what if this was something that
It's like it built up and maybe at first she
wasn't gonna say anything, but as time continued, maybe she
was building a case like you're not wrong.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I'm just I don't know. I'm giving it the benefit
of the doubt, but you're not wrong.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I just don't feel as strongly about you what it is, Samuel.
Speaker 10 (09:46):
I just want to point out that earlier in the season,
when Caitlyn was playing, I know that she had some issues.
She had some concerns about not enough calls going her
way to get to the free throw line. I know
Kelsey Plumb got you know, basically like scratch on her face,
and so so it feels like now the game is
sped up even more because of like how Caitlyn Clark plays,
and so this was bubbling up to this point where
Anfisa Colliers like speaking on it, right, and.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
We're also talking about a time where again Kaitlyn Clark
didn't play a majority of this season, but now it's
happened to them. So like Kelsey Plumb is speaking up
because it's happening to her because she's getting scratched in
the face. But last year when it was happening to Caitlyn.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Clark, nobody cared.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, nobody, they didn't care. She was just taking like
her hazing so to speak. You know, you're not deal
find out.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, totally, You're not wrong, Dan, You're really not. I
guess I'm just still not upset that she.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Did it, even though it seems like why did you wait?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
How convenient? Right, is what you're saying, How convenient for you? Yeah,
to want to say this now, I totally, I totally
hear you.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
But it's like, I think, if something was going to
change in the w n b A, maybe this is
what needed to happen, and it needed to.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Come from somebody very convenient.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Then now you have been you know, eliminated from the
postseason you're not going to the finals as a defending champions.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
How convenient that you're saying this now.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Totally, But I do think that the WNBA's leadership has failed,
has lacked And if this is what needed.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
To happen, and this needed to happen, do we have
more from the fista Collier, let's hear a little bit more.
Speaker 9 (11:16):
The league has a buzzword that they've rolled out as
talking points for the CBA as to why they can't
pay the players what we're worth. That word is sustainability.
But what's truly unsustainable is keeping a good product on
the floor while allowing officials to lose control of games.
Fancy it every night coaches both winning and losing pointed
out every night in pregame and postgame media. Yet leadership
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just issues fines and looks the other way. They ignore
the issues that everyone inside the game is begging to
be fixed. That is negligence.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Now, yeah, now they're they're begging to fix it. Last
year it was, to Sam's point, a hazing and deal
with it. Hey, this is this is a woman's game.
This isn't a girls game. This is in college basketball.
And now you're getting it happening. I have no doubt,
but I just think that there are ulterior motives with
what the FISA Collier is saying.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Again, I don't disagree with that, and you're right that
like last year it seemed like it was only Caitlyn
Clark that was getting the beat down right per se
while playing, it did seem that way, and this year
there's a little it's wild because the officiating has no
control of the situation.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Can I ask Can I ask you this because I'm
stuck on the point where she brings out Caitlin Angel
and Page.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Well, like you said, she was trying to get attention.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You were to say the young stars of this game.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
No it's not enough. You got a name, you gotta
name drop.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And so that's and again this was a four minute statement.
And so that's where like I understand, like there is
a message being sent and there's a motive behind that
message and why she is wanting to send and say
what she wants to say in trying to garner all
of that. I just can't go full bore. I think
I heard Stephen A. Smith today calling for Kathy Engelbert's
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ouster or may be paraphrasing but was up in arms
over this because of Engelbert's statement that she put out.
And this is what Englbert said, quote, I have the
utmost respect from the Visa Collier and for all the
players in the WNBA. Together, we have all worked tirelessly
to transform this league. My focus remains on ensuring a
bright future for the players and the WNBA, including collaborating
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on how we continue to elevate the game. I am
disheartened by how NAFISA characterized our conversations in league leadership,
but even when our perspectives differ, my commitment to the
players and to this work will not waiver. End quote.
She got one thing right, say less yes, and that's
all that she had to say. There may not have
been a lot of substance. There may have been a
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word salad for a portion of it, but when she
at least addresses Collier's statements head on, she says she's disheartened. Yeah,
there are differences, which there obviously are because they're on
opposite sides in this CBA battle. You know the commissioner
and the owners, and then you have the players Association.
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But that's all Kathy Engelbert had to say. She didn't
have a four minute statement coming out and then naming
names and pointing all these people into all these people
who may support what the WNBA is doing. By her
saying less, I think it actually says more in response
to what the FISA Collier are as opposed to Engelbert
had a four minute presser by herself to try to
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shoot down everything the FISA Collier said, because you can't
shoot it down because it was so crafted in a
certain way.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Absolutely, she really didn't have much to say. I unless
she is like, no, I have I recorded our conversation.
That is not what I said. But it's like, yeah,
was it taking out of context a little bit?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
But I maybe maybe.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
But the point is like you still did not handle
the situation well last year you still did So that's
my whole point with like I understand it comes off
so calculated and so like what is your ultimate goal here?
In a Visa Collier, why now I hear all that,
but I still think that the leadership dropped the ball
last year and it led into this year and how
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bad the officiating was, Like you could be ripe and
a Visa Collier is also right in what she's calling.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
Now, let me ask you this if and can we
drive down on that. It doesn't sound like you care
that the conversation was exaggerated or are mischaracterized.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Because I didn't think it was that mischaracterized.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
Well, I mean, nobody knows, right because there was a
personal conversation, which adds to this. But like when she
says she's disheartened by houtless characterized, I think that's a
very diplomatic light way of saying I never effing said
those things.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Really it's not.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
It's almost like like when you're hearing from your girlfriend
and she's trying to consensus build against this dude that's
done her wrong, and she gives you just like maybe
some truth, but very slanted truth to make him look
like a bad guy, okay, and then all of a sudden,
eventually you find out that those things weren't necessarily true.
(16:10):
Don't you kind of feel betrayed? Like as a public
if it comes out that these things were never said,
shouldn't we feel kind of like the trade that we
kind of all fell for this stephen A fell for
which I was surprised. I'm surprised he took that tact.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
So there's a couple of things here.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
If I were to find out that it was completely
made up and that's not at all what the conversation was,
then obviously I'm feeling differently about the situation. But that
that line, I'm disheartened to hear what you read?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Right to me?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I took that as like, oh, did Kathy think she
was having a private conversation with a friend that was
not going to reveal the information to the public.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Not that she mischaracterized her.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
It was that, oh, you you repeated our conversation. I
thought this was going to stay here.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, And Kathy Engelbert, if she did say what Nafisa
Collier said, she said was obviously wrong about Caitlin Clark's
absolutely okay, But it also then doesn't necessarily give Collier
a pass to try to drum up all this support
by using Caitlin Page Becker's and Angel Reese and their
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fans as pawns to try to support the WNBA and
the play of the WNBA Players Association. Like that's like,
there's another part of it. That's why I brought up
the young Stars a portion of it, Like she named
them to garner support. I mean, we've all seen the
mean of the blood and the Crip holding the tied
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handkerchiefs together in support, in solidarity. And I saw Caitlin
and Angel Reese fans uniting under this topic. And that's
exactly what the FISA Collier's message was to try to
garner the support. She could have said this in an
email to Kathy Engelbert and we wouldn't have known anything
about it. This was her exit interview and she took
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four minutes about this at the start of it to
say what she had to say in her role. And
people like Stephen A. Smith are now taking this and honestly,
I don't even know if they want to get into
the to the different levels of these comments. It's just
easy to say, Man, Collier's ticked. So are Caitlin Clark
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and Angel rees fans. Let's get rid of her like
that's easy. That's that's easy to do. And there's no
guarantee that whoever would come in then as the WNBA
commissioner would be better to work with than Kathy Engelbert,
because guess what, it's not the WNBA's job to find
a commissioner that works well with the Players Association. It's
to take care of the owners and in the teams
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that form that league. So it may be the worst
leadership in the world. And I'm not saying be careful
what you wish for, but that's not their role. Kathy
Engelbert's role isn't to have friends right now with the
Players Association and an the Visa Collier's comments shows that
they don't want to be friends with Kathy.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Engelbert, So I guess, like, don't.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I don't agree that ness necessarily you need to fire
or get rid of Kathy at all.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
But I think calling her out because this wasn't just
this year.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
This this to me since last year it has been
clear that you were not prepared for the magnitude that
was Caitlin Clark coming into the WNBA. You haven't handled
it well, So why not call you out? And I
think that's just like the most simplest way here.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
The most simplest thing though with that is though, then
why didn't you call for her last year? Sure because
you were so caught up in your feelings of trying
to keep Caitlin Clark and all this under wraps and
not have this shine of And I'm not saying it
was the FESA Collier specifically I'm talking about the WNBA players,
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but now that it's happened in another season where maybe
more eyes are watching it and you're seeing some of
the officiating, but it happens to her.
Speaker 8 (19:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Asia Wilson after the game last night says she supported
anything that the Visa collier says. I would actually have
more weight in what Asa Wilson says because she wasn't
hurt at the end of the regular season. Kyle, you're
saying this to me, is in the WNBA PA's vice president.
It is WNBA star that got injured in the playoffs
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because of the officiating. That's who's speaking to me.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I guess better late than ever.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, maybe anything to add Iowa Sam who is in
the WNBA finals. It's the Aces and the Mercury.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Mercury bounce to the Links.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
So a desert NBA Finals, Phoenix against Vegas.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
Hit the duel in the Desert. I like duel in
the desert for alliteration.
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posted right after the end of the show. They've already
lost Nick Bosa for the season. Now you have those
injuries on a short week against the division rival and
you have to travel.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah, I think that was a no brainer.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But it's still Shanahan against.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
McVeigh, right, so that should be the most interesting Thursday
night game.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
That's just like you see all the missing parts of
the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
But you're still like Stills.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
And it's still Shanahan McVay. They both know what both
are going to do exactly.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
That coaching tree, the same coaching tree.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, just maybe the Rams have more horses than the Niners.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Just a tad.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
The Cardinals running back Tray Benson he underwent arthroscopic surgery
on his meniscus. He's expected to be out four to
six weeks. Coach Jonathan Gannon told reporters Benson is expected
to return at some point this season. Chargers coach Jim
Harbaugh announced Joe all is doubtful to play this week,
and Buccaneers running back Bucky Irving is dealing with an
ankle sprain and was seen with a walking boot at practice,
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but the team has not ruled him out for a
Sunday's game. And the big news was the Browns announced
they are benching quarterback Joe Flacco and starting Dylan Gabriel
for Sunday's London game against the Vikings. On the other
side of Minnesota, JJ McCarthy not fully back at practice,
but in the second part of his rehab a coding,
according to coach Kevin O'Connell, Thanks guys, back to you.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
So let's talk about the Browns situation, all right? And
I thought we could. I thought it was maybe possible
that we have a conversation about the Browns quarterback situation
and not bring up shit or.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Sanders, Ah, we can he didn't even say anything.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Correct, Manzi is correct in that because instead of just
using coach speak or a bunch of cliches, which I
don't like, I don't want to sound like I'm talking
out of both sides of my mouth. I would rather
have somebody say how they feel than to give us
a bunch of just lines to say. Sure, So I
(23:14):
don't want to put Shador Sanders in a double standard. However,
when you go full mime, you're making the story a
little bit about you, and he went full mind today
and if you're wondering what that is, it is exactly
what I'm talking about. He was asked questions by reporters.
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We can't play the audio because all Shador Sanders did
was mouth his answers back by not saying any words
and then just giving different exaggerations and motions with his
hand and face. It was a mockery of the criticism
that he has received for recently speaking out about his
(23:59):
role or talking about his role with the Browns. So
now he's giving back to those who criticized him by
doing this. Yeah, that's what it was. You didn't hear
me say anything that's exactly how it sounded with shad
Or Sanders today.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
You know, I it's funny because I was going to
point out that that's really hard to do to like
not make any sounds, especially for you. Yes, yes, yeah,
I make a lot of noise, a lot of noise.
Like I could not even if I was trying to
mime and say words without any noise.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I would have a very hard time with that.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
But right now, like you weren't saying actual words, you
were just minding yes, So like I think he was trying.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
To say words, but wasn't. It was just smiling.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Uh, I don't know what he was doing, because you're right,
it's like you're trying to not make it seem like
it's Oh, I don't care. I'm trying to not bring
attention to the situation, but you're bringing more attention to
the situation by doing that.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yes, it's a completely passive aggressive move.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Is a passive aggressive move?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Eh?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
But yeah, I mean what else are we expecting?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
What is completely not being talked about is And this
isn't meant to take the heat off of Shador because
I think that this is like Shador brought this upon
himself today. But when Shador does this, we don't talk
about the real situation around Dylan Gabriel, who, by the way,
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I'm not calling him a victim in all of this.
I don't think that the situation was ideal. But he
also needs to perform right and he needs to take
advantage of his opportunity. And while a third round pick
at quarterback isn't a guarantee to be a starter and
a future starter and a ten year starter and Pro
Bowler MVP candidate in the National Football League, when you
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are drafting and you are making decisions, second and third
rounders nowadays are very important in building out your football team.
So when you take a quarterback, obviously in the first rounds,
you're gonna want him to play. Second round and third
round you kind of have similar expectations. But if Dylan
Gabriel doesn't work out, and now because he has maybe
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a shorter leash, because Shador Sanders is on his heels
of being even though he's the third string quarterback, it's
a bad pick by the Browns. And that's why it
was so shocking to me today, Manzi, because I've seen
other NFL insiders and amusing quotes that will talk poetically
about players and not give us the real news. It's
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very agent driven. Tom Pelasaro sent out a tweet from
the NFL Network, and I think Tom Pelasaro is magnificent,
but he made a point to talk about how strong
this Brown's draft class was, with Mason Graham, with quin
Shawn Judkins now moving on, and other players having great seasons.
That didn't seem like an insider quote. It felt more
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of propaganda. Look at what the Browns have done, look
at the great draft picks that they've made, But if
Dylan Gabriel doesn't work out, it's a failed third round pick.
They happened in the NFL, but it's a waste for
the Browns, and they didn't put themselves in a good
situation to make the third round pick work because of
the fifth round pick that that then used on Shador Sanders.
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But there was pressure on Dylan Gabriel to work out
in Cleveland. But we're not even talking about that because
we're talking about everything else that goes around with the
Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
And that's been the whole season.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
We have been talking about things out of order when
it comes to the Cleveland Browns because they kind.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Of did things out of order than we were.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Expecting on how they drafted Shador Sanders and when they
did it and drafting Dylan Gabriel. Everything has been out
of order with the Browns. But Dylan Gabriel getting the
start at this point is actually the most in order
thing the Browns have done. You have to see what
he can do. Give them the opportunity, because when else
it hasn't worked out with Flackel like at all.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
They have looked so out of sync.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
The entire time, and even though their defense has been
pretty solid as they have been, so to me, this
is like the most in step order. Okay, now let's
see what Dylan Gabriel can do, and I agree with you.
If he doesn't perform, you've got Shador Sanders right there,
which is the next logical step. And so that's what
Shad Shador should have said, like, I'm really happy that
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Dylan Gabriel is getting the start because that means I'm
one step closer to maybe getting an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
That's what Shador should have said.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
And there is going to be a point. So if
Dylan Gabriel gets hurt in week five, which we don't
hope for Joe Flacco is going to start in week six.
Joe Flacco's the backup. If he gets hurt in this
game against the Vikings, then Joe Flacco's going to come
in and replace him. However, the situation changes in week
eleven or week twelve, if the season has gone down
the road and Dylan Gabriel hasn't performed at that point,
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it will be shad Or Sanders' time. Why should Or
Sanders chose to mime instead of just saying the coach
speak or saying the right thing. I don't know, but
there is a scenario, and now it's a more realistic
scenario that shoud Or Sander will get his opportunity. But
today wasn't about Shador Sanders, and somehow it in a way,
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it became about shad Or Sanders. We did the preview.
Do you remember when we put questions in a hat? Yes,
it was a month ago, prior to the NFL season.
It was on Labor Day. Jason was here and perfect
and Chris, and Chris was here. I wrote the question,
will shoud Or Sanders do a postgame interview from a
game he didn't play? Right?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Do you remember that yes he did. He did.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
So he's still a third string quarterback and he's still
getting asked questions. And that's the point of like those
things are, why are we interviewing the third string quarterback.
We don't do it on any other team. Certain teams
don't have third string quarterbacks, but we're doing it with
the Browns and that's again just goes back to my
main point. But again, today was not about shad Or Sanders.
Today was about Dylan Gabriel getting his first NFL start.
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But the miming of Shador to take shots at his
haters out there, I think kind of takes over some
of the day.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Do you think the Browns at this point now, I'm
wondering if they did what they did drafting Shador when
they did because they knew they would at least be
a topic of conversation.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Look at the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Cowboys, doesn't matter, we're talking about them.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
If that was the edict that we think from Jimmy Haslm,
then yeah, I think that theory does have some value.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Because the entire time the Browns have been this entire season,
the Browns have been a constant topic of conversation.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I don't know, if Jimmy has them's playing chess and
we're just playing checkers. But we haven't talked about the
massage lover Deshaun Watson at all, all with his achilles injury,
which that was a enormous cloud over the Browns last year,
and now we're more talking about this.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Other things that are that you know, it is like interesting, right,
It's interesting how we're talking to Shadoor Sanders when he
has not moved up at all in the roster for
the Browns.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
He's not even the backup, like you just said, it's
gonna be Joe Flacco.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
And they they have made a complete mess of the
quarterback position. And it goes back to the Watson signing.
Then it goes back to the variety of quarterbacks. But again,
just even this offseason, Manzi, they traded for Kenny Pickett.
So they traded for him, and then because they didn't
resign Flacco last year, they felt they had the right
their wrongs for what he did for them two years ago,
and then they resigned him. But Kenny Pickett was thought
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to be the guy at least in the off season
leading into who was going to be the quarterback? Well,
then they draft two quarterbacks, so now I have four quarterbacks,
which this is all revision, is history. But then Kenny
Pickett's not healthy, so Joe Flacco ends up being QB
one pretty much on the first day of training camp.
And then you have Kenny Pickett jettisoned before the start
of the season, and we still have the drama between
Gabriel and Sanders. My goodness, yes that none of it
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made sense, but none of it made sense. None of
it actually showed of planning, and Dylan Gabriel now getting
maybe a five to six week audition to be the
starting quarterback. Maybe, yes, that doesn't sound like much of
a plan either. She's Manzi Blanios. I'm Dan Byer in
Doug Gottlieb today here on Fox Sports Radio. Find Monty
at Monte Blanos. You can find me at Dan Bayer
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and other players out for Week five. That's next year
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Speaker 6 (32:15):
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Speaker 2 (32:26):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio she's Monty Blanos. I'm
Dan Byron for Doug today. Miming is done. We're done
with miming, but we are not done yet. Neither is
Brianna Muro. She's here with the press.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
Woo the press.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Big thanks to Diowa. Sam Jason Stewart, executive producer, hanging
out as well, Brie. What do you got all righty guys?
Speaker 5 (32:49):
So forty nine Ers quarterback Rock Perty He has officially
been ruled out Thursday night against the Rams. He was
feeling a little bit sore after the loss to the Jaguars,
but officially he's been ruled out. Mac Jones will get
the start.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Just like you, guys, hate the three game series with
the Dodgers and Padres if they were to play with
the Red Souts and the Yankees. I hate division games
on short weeks because of situations like this. Such a
tough spot for San Francisco now without their quarterback to
be able to recover from. I don't want to say
a minor injury, but maybe if he was given three
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more days for a division game, that's unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
It does suck. I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Sometimes you wonder how they think of the schedule. This way, man,
what a I really was expecting the forty nine ers
to in a little bit kind of cruise through a
lot of their games because of their strength of schedule.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
But it has not gone.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, here's the problem with that. Nobody wanted to consider
the strength of the forty nine ers, correct. They just
wanted to look at their opponents and said, oh, but
the forty nine ers had Wartz. They really did.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
They really did.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
But I'm still surprised. Not that I thought they were
gonna kick ass or anything like that, but I thought
that they would find way to win.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
We started up three, but now I'm like, I don't know,
I want to see that.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, good point.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
All right, you guys.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
So obviously the Tennessee Titans are zero to four. Cam
Ward has been kind of making some waves with his
controversial kind of statements after postgames. Well, Brian Callahan had
this to say about his quarterbacks comments.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Was he miming as well?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
He was not.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
He was saying, well, cam Ward has been saying all
these things recently about like if the team has been
to mass Okay, so we do have the sound Okay,
there we go.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
You have cam Ward? Do we have Brian callahans, do
we have Brian Callahan sound.
Speaker 8 (34:37):
Or we got cam Ward's sound from Sunday?
Speaker 11 (34:39):
Okay, I mean we're keeping a book right now, we
ask so we own four. We have this one. We
got none to lose. We dropped the court of our
games and we've yet to do anything, so we have
to lock in.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
So Brian Callahan's response to this, he's learning to grow
up in the NFL and learning the weight his word.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
It's Carrie, He's Callahan isn't wrong. It's just that Callahan
probably doesn't have the leg to stand on, considering how
he handles his own press conference in attacking reporters and
dismissing questions like they're out to get him. When you're
zero and four, there's gonna be tough questions. So maybe
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cam Ward was a bit more revealing. Maybe he doesn't
have the equity because he's a in just his fourth
game of the season, and I think that's the point
that Brian Callahan was trying to make. But the tough
part is is Brian Callahan as the messenger, he hasn't
been great with his words throughout his short ten years
a head coach in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
You definitely don't expect a rookie to be so direct.
I guess right and so honest on there's a situation.
But cam Ward is not wrong. The Titians have been
a rough lot, correct.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
But that's for Jeffrey Simmons to say, or Tony Pollard
to say, even though they haven't been there that long.
That's the point of it. It's just that I think
a Titans player would need to say it, like Jeffrey
Simmons would need to say, like I got to talk
to cam you know, he's sure got to add, you know,
maybe a few more games under his belt before saying
those things. But you're right, we're all in for a
ramp playing good football at all.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Yes, alrighty guys and so and then the NCAA have
they have decided to move the twenty twenty eight Women's
Final four to Lucas Oil Stadium to increase capacity rather
than the arena where the Pacers and Fever play.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
That is a big step. It is a very big step.
And the reason why it's a big step is because
you could get seventy thousand in that place for a game.
But but even the men sometimes don't get that many,
depending on who makes the final four, but it is
showing the growth of the women's game. They could set
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it up where you could get forty thousand as well
if you wanted to.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
It's a football, yeah, to play. I don't like that.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
I don't like that it's too far away, you can't
see anything. I don't like it trying to grow the game.
I understand you want more fans there, and I get
all that, but I would not want to watch a
game that far way.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yes, I don't know. No, the old final four setups
were great. Now when they put it in the middle
of the court, it's awful for everybody. There isn't one
good seat exactly. But what the NCAA is now I
think saying is, oh, there's a way we can make
more money. Let's do that. And that's what they're trying
to do.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
It's all about money.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
So even if you got eighteen thousand where the Pacers
play a game Bridge Field House, if you get twenty
five thousand, even if it's seven thousand more, seven thousand
more than you would have had at the other place,
but a terrible view for the fans. And that's the
press they get out.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
There and pressed that was the press.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
It's always been bad. There isn't one good seats in
the seventy thousand.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
I don't like it at all.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I like you, though. Manzi dugs back tomorrow
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
I have a confession to make, Monty. I can't stand
it when people call the WNBA the W. It annoys
me like no other the W.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
What about the m NBA?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
There you go, BM, Let's just call it yes association. No,
it's just WNBA like they're trying to sound cool. They're
trying to sound a hit by calling it the W.
Here's my suggestion, you have one. Okay, instead of calling
it the W, let's call it the T because there
is always ta going on with the W NBA.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
That's great.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
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Speaker 3 (01:25):
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Speaker 2 (01:28):
It's funny because you heard Brie say that the Browns
have made a change at quarterback, something we're going to
get to in about twenty minutes or so. The change
at quarterback is Dylan Gabriel in for Joe Flacco. I
did not mention should or Sanders, but somehow, some way,
should door Sanders has also become a part of the
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conversation that comes up in about twenty five minutes. But
you know it's the middle of the show, in the
middle of the week. That means he's not getting.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Time for.
Speaker 6 (02:03):
The midway.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
I think I mischaracterized Jason Stewart when I called him
the thoughtful critic. Was it thoughtful skeptic? Which one was it?
Speaker 7 (02:11):
Yeah, you know, skeptic is better. Let's I thought, whatever
makes me sound smarter.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
As Doug calls him the resident, Jason prefers thoughtful skeptic,
and Jim Rome called him the benign troll.
Speaker 8 (02:26):
I like that one too. I like that one too,
Benign Troll.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
What have we got for the midway today, Jason?
Speaker 7 (02:32):
Okay, so we got some drama in the w n
b A. We're not talking about matchups, We're not talking
about box scorers.
Speaker 8 (02:40):
I don't know who is.
Speaker 7 (02:41):
Still playing in the w NBA playoffs, but this story
peaked my interest yesterday. There's so many layers to this,
but I think, UH, tell me if I'm misrepresenting her
manci the FISA Collier is one of the best players
in the league.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Sure absolutely, candidate absolutely and has her champion.
Speaker 8 (03:02):
Another league, the unrivaled.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Correct.
Speaker 7 (03:06):
She took a torch to the commissioner of the NBA.
This Kathy Eggbert Engelbert Engelbert Engelbert. Yes, the WNBA. Some
call it the w I call it the t I
want to give you guys a little taste of what
Nafisa Collier said about the WNBA's commissionery yesterday.
Speaker 9 (03:24):
Our leadership's answer to being held accountable is to suppress
everyone's voices by handing out fines. I'm not concerned about
a fine. I'm concerned about the future of our sport.
At some point, everyone deserves to hear the truth. We
have the best players in the world, we have the
best fans in the world, but right now we have
the worst leadership in the world. If I didn't know
exactly what the job entailed, maybe I wouldn't feel this way.
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But unfortunately for them, I do we save a league
that has shown they think championship coaches and Hall of
Fame players are dispensable. And that's fine, it's professional sports.
But I will not stand quietly by and allow different
standards to be applied at the league level.
Speaker 7 (03:59):
Now then she starts getting into relaying a private conversation
that she had with the commissioner. I think it was
after last season. An example is what the commissioner told
her about Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 9 (04:11):
At Unarrivaled this past February, I sat across from Kathy
and asked how she planned to address the officiating issues
in our league. Her response was, will only the losers
complain about the refs? I also asked how she planned
to fix the fact that players like Caitlin Angel and Page,
who are clearly driving massive revenue for the league, are
making so little for their first four years. Her response was,
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Caitlyn should be grateful she makes sixty million off the court,
because without the platform that the WBA gives her, she wouldn't.
Speaker 8 (04:38):
Make anything, MANSI, what do you think that same.
Speaker 9 (04:41):
Conversation, she told me players should be on their knees
thanking their lucky stars for the media rightesteal that I
got them. That's mentality driving our league from the top.
We go to battle every day to protect a shield
that doesn't value us. The league believes it succeeds despite
its players, not because of them.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Go ahead, man, So I totally agree with Dan.
Speaker 4 (05:02):
And maybe we should call this league the Tea because
there is always tea and this is good tea.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
I don't know if we ever really see a star in.
Speaker 4 (05:10):
Another professional sport attacking commissioner like this.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
With specifics. And when I heard.
Speaker 4 (05:18):
This by Anfusta Collier, because I first saw it like
in a written statement, like a quote, and I was like, no, no, no,
I have to listen to it.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I want to know how it came off. Right.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
So I watched the video while I was working at
the Dodgers yesterday and I was like, okay, girl, why
not why not call her out? Because I do think
that the leadership of the WNBA has failed at times,
especially since Caitlin Clark, Angel Reese, Paige Beckers has come
have come into the league, and they have not fixed
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the officiating issues. It's hard to watch the WNBA and
everybody was getting hurt, not just Caitlin Clark, which it
was a huge blow to the season, not just Angel Reese.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
There were clear issues and I have called out the w.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
NBA players for not handling themselves well throughout this entire
two years?
Speaker 3 (06:08):
Was it with Kitlin Clark and Angel Reese around? And
now I'm like, you know what, girls, I may have
been too harsh on you, because you're right. If this
was your leadership, if this is how the commissioner is thinking,
then how are you not going to act out the
leadership needed to step in from the beginning.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
And I'm sorry, but I agree with the FISA Collier.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
There is there is something I don't know if ironics
the right phrase, but I just find it interesting that
now is the point where players care about the officiating
in the WNBA. That it's now at this point when
the VISA Collier gets injured, and a point that's been
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brought up when we started paying attention to the WNBA
last year because of Caitlin Clark and the physical play
that came with Caitlin Clark. At that point was not
a problem with the double NBA officials. At least the
players didn't seem that they had a problem with the
WNBA officials at that point in how Caitlin Clark was officiated.
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Now this is this is not meant to be a
let's bring it all back to Caitlin Clark sort of deal.
But the FISA Collier is now trying to gather the
Caitlin Clark fans and the Angel Rees fans and the
Page Beckers fans and getting them on her side. So
why now do you have a problem after you get
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hurt in the playoffs When this for us Johnny cum
Lately's has seemingly been an issue the last two years
in the WNBA. Why wasn't this statement mentioned last year
when it was happening. That's the part that I start
to question. I have no doubt that there could be
a problem with officiating and that they're just fed up
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with having to pay fines with the league not doing anything,
but I just it feels like now it happened to me,
so now I have to deal with it.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
You know what, I am not upset with you pointing
that out because you're right. Why now is there alter
your motives here? Is it because of unrival the league
that you are pushing? Like what exactly is it behind
you making this statement now?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I totally totally can see that.
Speaker 4 (08:20):
But at the same time, it came out now and
it's good, finally finally someone said it.
Speaker 2 (08:26):
But why didn't they do it last year?
Speaker 3 (08:27):
Good question? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
That's a big question, yes, And that's like, that's the issue,
and that's why it is a little bit difficult for
me to take everything that the FISA collier is saying
as legitimate when these issues have been going on. But
last year when Caitlin Clark was getting pushed to the
ground and shoved to the ground, it was an issue.
Now the FESA collier gets injured on a crappy foul
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and it's you gotta do something WNBA Like that to
me is a double standard in and why her words? Yesay,
while so many said men, you've got to listen to it,
and I did, and I thought that she did a
great job in laying out her points, But I also
felt that you could see the motives behind a lot
of her points, and I know we have even more
from her saying that. But that's just my issue is
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why now is it because you're the one that was
hurt because this has been going on for a while.
Speaker 4 (09:18):
But see the thing is like she maybe it is
now because she's hurt because she can speak on it
for herself.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I totally hear what you're saying, and you're not wrong.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
I'm just saying, like, what if this was something that
It's like it built up and maybe at first she
wasn't gonna say anything, but as time continued, maybe she
was building a case like you're not wrong.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I'm just I don't know. I'm giving it the benefit
of the doubt, but you're not wrong.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I just don't feel as strongly about you what it is, Samuel.
Speaker 10 (09:46):
I just want to point out that earlier in the season,
when Caitlyn was playing, I know that she had some issues.
She had some concerns about not enough calls going her
way to get to the free throw line. I know
Kelsey Plumb got you know, basically like scratch on her face,
and so so it feels like now the game is
sped up even more because of like how Caitlyn Clark plays,
and so this was bubbling up to this point where
Anfisa Colliers like speaking on it, right, and.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
We're also talking about a time where again Kaitlyn Clark
didn't play a majority of this season, but now it's
happened to them. So like Kelsey Plumb is speaking up
because it's happening to her because she's getting scratched in
the face. But last year when it was happening to Caitlyn.
Speaker 3 (10:25):
Clark, nobody cared.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Yeah, nobody, they didn't care. She was just taking like
her hazing so to speak. You know, you're not deal
find out.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
Yeah, totally, You're not wrong, Dan, You're really not. I
guess I'm just still not upset that she.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Did it, even though it seems like why did you wait?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
How convenient? Right, is what you're saying, How convenient for you? Yeah,
to want to say this now, I totally, I totally
hear you.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
But it's like, I think, if something was going to
change in the w n b A, maybe this is
what needed to happen, and it needed to.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
Come from somebody very convenient.
Speaker 4 (10:56):
Then now you have been you know, eliminated from the
postseason you're not going to the finals as a defending champions.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
How convenient that you're saying this now.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
Totally, But I do think that the WNBA's leadership has failed,
has lacked And if this is what needed.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
To happen, and this needed to happen, do we have
more from the fista Collier, let's hear a little bit more.
Speaker 9 (11:16):
The league has a buzzword that they've rolled out as
talking points for the CBA as to why they can't
pay the players what we're worth. That word is sustainability.
But what's truly unsustainable is keeping a good product on
the floor while allowing officials to lose control of games.
Fancy it every night coaches both winning and losing pointed
out every night in pregame and postgame media. Yet leadership
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just issues fines and looks the other way. They ignore
the issues that everyone inside the game is begging to
be fixed. That is negligence.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Now, yeah, now they're they're begging to fix it. Last
year it was, to Sam's point, a hazing and deal
with it. Hey, this is this is a woman's game.
This isn't a girls game. This is in college basketball.
And now you're getting it happening. I have no doubt,
but I just think that there are ulterior motives with
what the FISA Collier is saying.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
Again, I don't disagree with that, and you're right that
like last year it seemed like it was only Caitlyn
Clark that was getting the beat down right per se
while playing, it did seem that way, and this year
there's a little it's wild because the officiating has no
control of the situation.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
Can I ask Can I ask you this because I'm
stuck on the point where she brings out Caitlin Angel
and Page.
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Well, like you said, she was trying to get attention.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You were to say the young stars of this game.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
No it's not enough. You got a name, you gotta
name drop.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
And so that's and again this was a four minute statement.
And so that's where like I understand, like there is
a message being sent and there's a motive behind that
message and why she is wanting to send and say
what she wants to say in trying to garner all
of that. I just can't go full bore. I think
I heard Stephen A. Smith today calling for Kathy Engelbert's
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ouster or may be paraphrasing but was up in arms
over this because of Engelbert's statement that she put out.
And this is what Englbert said, quote, I have the
utmost respect from the Visa Collier and for all the
players in the WNBA. Together, we have all worked tirelessly
to transform this league. My focus remains on ensuring a
bright future for the players and the WNBA, including collaborating
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on how we continue to elevate the game. I am
disheartened by how NAFISA characterized our conversations in league leadership,
but even when our perspectives differ, my commitment to the
players and to this work will not waiver. End quote.
She got one thing right, say less yes, and that's
all that she had to say. There may not have
been a lot of substance. There may have been a
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word salad for a portion of it, but when she
at least addresses Collier's statements head on, she says she's disheartened. Yeah,
there are differences, which there obviously are because they're on
opposite sides in this CBA battle. You know the commissioner
and the owners, and then you have the players Association.
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But that's all Kathy Engelbert had to say. She didn't
have a four minute statement coming out and then naming
names and pointing all these people into all these people
who may support what the WNBA is doing. By her
saying less, I think it actually says more in response
to what the FISA Collier are as opposed to Engelbert
had a four minute presser by herself to try to
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shoot down everything the FISA Collier said, because you can't
shoot it down because it was so crafted in a
certain way.
Speaker 4 (14:41):
Absolutely, she really didn't have much to say. I unless
she is like, no, I have I recorded our conversation.
That is not what I said. But it's like, yeah,
was it taking out of context a little bit?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
But I maybe maybe.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
But the point is like you still did not handle
the situation well last year you still did So that's
my whole point with like I understand it comes off
so calculated and so like what is your ultimate goal here?
In a Visa Collier, why now I hear all that,
but I still think that the leadership dropped the ball
last year and it led into this year and how
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bad the officiating was, Like you could be ripe and
a Visa Collier is also right in what she's calling.
Speaker 7 (15:23):
Now, let me ask you this if and can we
drive down on that. It doesn't sound like you care
that the conversation was exaggerated or are mischaracterized.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Because I didn't think it was that mischaracterized.
Speaker 7 (15:36):
Well, I mean, nobody knows, right because there was a
personal conversation, which adds to this. But like when she
says she's disheartened by houtless characterized, I think that's a
very diplomatic light way of saying I never effing said
those things.
Speaker 3 (15:48):
Really it's not.
Speaker 7 (15:50):
It's almost like like when you're hearing from your girlfriend
and she's trying to consensus build against this dude that's
done her wrong, and she gives you just like maybe
some truth, but very slanted truth to make him look
like a bad guy, okay, and then all of a sudden,
eventually you find out that those things weren't necessarily true.
(16:10):
Don't you kind of feel betrayed? Like as a public
if it comes out that these things were never said,
shouldn't we feel kind of like the trade that we
kind of all fell for this stephen A fell for
which I was surprised. I'm surprised he took that tact.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
So there's a couple of things here.
Speaker 4 (16:24):
If I were to find out that it was completely
made up and that's not at all what the conversation was,
then obviously I'm feeling differently about the situation. But that
that line, I'm disheartened to hear what you read?
Speaker 3 (16:36):
Right to me?
Speaker 4 (16:37):
I took that as like, oh, did Kathy think she
was having a private conversation with a friend that was
not going to reveal the information to the public.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Not that she mischaracterized her.
Speaker 4 (16:48):
It was that, oh, you you repeated our conversation. I
thought this was going to stay here.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, And Kathy Engelbert, if she did say what Nafisa
Collier said, she said was obviously wrong about Caitlin Clark's
absolutely okay, But it also then doesn't necessarily give Collier
a pass to try to drum up all this support
by using Caitlin Page Becker's and Angel Reese and their
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fans as pawns to try to support the WNBA and
the play of the WNBA Players Association. Like that's like,
there's another part of it. That's why I brought up
the young Stars a portion of it, Like she named
them to garner support. I mean, we've all seen the
mean of the blood and the Crip holding the tied
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handkerchiefs together in support, in solidarity. And I saw Caitlin
and Angel Reese fans uniting under this topic. And that's
exactly what the FISA Collier's message was to try to
garner the support. She could have said this in an
email to Kathy Engelbert and we wouldn't have known anything
about it. This was her exit interview and she took
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four minutes about this at the start of it to
say what she had to say in her role. And
people like Stephen A. Smith are now taking this and honestly,
I don't even know if they want to get into
the to the different levels of these comments. It's just
easy to say, Man, Collier's ticked. So are Caitlin Clark
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and Angel rees fans. Let's get rid of her like
that's easy. That's that's easy to do. And there's no
guarantee that whoever would come in then as the WNBA
commissioner would be better to work with than Kathy Engelbert,
because guess what, it's not the WNBA's job to find
a commissioner that works well with the Players Association. It's
to take care of the owners and in the teams
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that form that league. So it may be the worst
leadership in the world. And I'm not saying be careful
what you wish for, but that's not their role. Kathy
Engelbert's role isn't to have friends right now with the
Players Association and an the Visa Collier's comments shows that
they don't want to be friends with Kathy.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Engelbert, So I guess, like, don't.
Speaker 4 (18:58):
I don't agree that ness necessarily you need to fire
or get rid of Kathy at all.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
But I think calling her out because this wasn't just
this year.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
This this to me since last year it has been
clear that you were not prepared for the magnitude that
was Caitlin Clark coming into the WNBA. You haven't handled
it well, So why not call you out? And I
think that's just like the most simplest way here.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
The most simplest thing though with that is though, then
why didn't you call for her last year? Sure because
you were so caught up in your feelings of trying
to keep Caitlin Clark and all this under wraps and
not have this shine of And I'm not saying it
was the FESA Collier specifically I'm talking about the WNBA players,
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but now that it's happened in another season where maybe
more eyes are watching it and you're seeing some of
the officiating, but it happens to her.
Speaker 8 (19:48):
You know.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Asia Wilson after the game last night says she supported
anything that the Visa collier says. I would actually have
more weight in what Asa Wilson says because she wasn't
hurt at the end of the regular season. Kyle, you're
saying this to me, is in the WNBA PA's vice president.
It is WNBA star that got injured in the playoffs
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because of the officiating. That's who's speaking to me.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
I guess better late than ever.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Yeah, maybe anything to add Iowa Sam who is in
the WNBA finals. It's the Aces and the Mercury.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Mercury bounce to the Links.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
So a desert NBA Finals, Phoenix against Vegas.
Speaker 8 (20:31):
Hit the duel in the Desert. I like duel in
the desert for alliteration.
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posted right after the end of the show. They've already
lost Nick Bosa for the season. Now you have those
injuries on a short week against the division rival and
you have to travel.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yeah, I think that was a no brainer.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
But it's still Shanahan against.
Speaker 5 (21:28):
McVeigh, right, so that should be the most interesting Thursday
night game.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
That's just like you see all the missing parts of
the forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
But you're still like Stills.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
And it's still Shanahan McVay. They both know what both
are going to do exactly.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
That coaching tree, the same coaching tree.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah, just maybe the Rams have more horses than the Niners.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
Just a tad.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
The Cardinals running back Tray Benson he underwent arthroscopic surgery
on his meniscus. He's expected to be out four to
six weeks. Coach Jonathan Gannon told reporters Benson is expected
to return at some point this season. Chargers coach Jim
Harbaugh announced Joe all is doubtful to play this week,
and Buccaneers running back Bucky Irving is dealing with an
ankle sprain and was seen with a walking boot at practice,
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but the team has not ruled him out for a
Sunday's game. And the big news was the Browns announced
they are benching quarterback Joe Flacco and starting Dylan Gabriel
for Sunday's London game against the Vikings. On the other
side of Minnesota, JJ McCarthy not fully back at practice,
but in the second part of his rehab a coding,
according to coach Kevin O'Connell, Thanks guys, back to you.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
So let's talk about the Browns situation, all right? And
I thought we could. I thought it was maybe possible
that we have a conversation about the Browns quarterback situation
and not bring up shit or.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Sanders, Ah, we can he didn't even say anything.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Correct, Manzi is correct in that because instead of just
using coach speak or a bunch of cliches, which I
don't like, I don't want to sound like I'm talking
out of both sides of my mouth. I would rather
have somebody say how they feel than to give us
a bunch of just lines to say. Sure, So I
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don't want to put Shador Sanders in a double standard. However,
when you go full mime, you're making the story a
little bit about you, and he went full mind today
and if you're wondering what that is, it is exactly
what I'm talking about. He was asked questions by reporters.
(23:36):
We can't play the audio because all Shador Sanders did
was mouth his answers back by not saying any words
and then just giving different exaggerations and motions with his
hand and face. It was a mockery of the criticism
that he has received for recently speaking out about his
(23:59):
role or talking about his role with the Browns. So
now he's giving back to those who criticized him by
doing this. Yeah, that's what it was. You didn't hear
me say anything that's exactly how it sounded with shad
Or Sanders today.
Speaker 6 (24:16):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
You know, I it's funny because I was going to
point out that that's really hard to do to like
not make any sounds, especially for you. Yes, yes, yeah,
I make a lot of noise, a lot of noise.
Like I could not even if I was trying to
mime and say words without any noise.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
I would have a very hard time with that.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
But right now, like you weren't saying actual words, you
were just minding yes, So like I think he was trying.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
To say words, but wasn't. It was just smiling.
Speaker 4 (24:45):
Uh, I don't know what he was doing, because you're right,
it's like you're trying to not make it seem like
it's Oh, I don't care. I'm trying to not bring
attention to the situation, but you're bringing more attention to
the situation by doing that.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Yes, it's a completely passive aggressive move.
Speaker 3 (24:59):
Is a passive aggressive move?
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Eh?
Speaker 3 (25:02):
But yeah, I mean what else are we expecting?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
What is completely not being talked about is And this
isn't meant to take the heat off of Shador because
I think that this is like Shador brought this upon
himself today. But when Shador does this, we don't talk
about the real situation around Dylan Gabriel, who, by the way,
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I'm not calling him a victim in all of this.
I don't think that the situation was ideal. But he
also needs to perform right and he needs to take
advantage of his opportunity. And while a third round pick
at quarterback isn't a guarantee to be a starter and
a future starter and a ten year starter and Pro
Bowler MVP candidate in the National Football League, when you
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are drafting and you are making decisions, second and third
rounders nowadays are very important in building out your football team.
So when you take a quarterback, obviously in the first rounds,
you're gonna want him to play. Second round and third
round you kind of have similar expectations. But if Dylan
Gabriel doesn't work out, and now because he has maybe
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a shorter leash, because Shador Sanders is on his heels
of being even though he's the third string quarterback, it's
a bad pick by the Browns. And that's why it
was so shocking to me today, Manzi, because I've seen
other NFL insiders and amusing quotes that will talk poetically
about players and not give us the real news. It's
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very agent driven. Tom Pelasaro sent out a tweet from
the NFL Network, and I think Tom Pelasaro is magnificent,
but he made a point to talk about how strong
this Brown's draft class was, with Mason Graham, with quin
Shawn Judkins now moving on, and other players having great seasons.
That didn't seem like an insider quote. It felt more
(26:52):
of propaganda. Look at what the Browns have done, look
at the great draft picks that they've made, But if
Dylan Gabriel doesn't work out, it's a failed third round pick.
They happened in the NFL, but it's a waste for
the Browns, and they didn't put themselves in a good
situation to make the third round pick work because of
the fifth round pick that that then used on Shador Sanders.
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But there was pressure on Dylan Gabriel to work out
in Cleveland. But we're not even talking about that because
we're talking about everything else that goes around with the
Cleveland Browns.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
And that's been the whole season.
Speaker 4 (27:24):
We have been talking about things out of order when
it comes to the Cleveland Browns because they kind.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
Of did things out of order than we were.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Expecting on how they drafted Shador Sanders and when they
did it and drafting Dylan Gabriel. Everything has been out
of order with the Browns. But Dylan Gabriel getting the
start at this point is actually the most in order
thing the Browns have done. You have to see what
he can do. Give them the opportunity, because when else
it hasn't worked out with Flackel like at all.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
They have looked so out of sync.
Speaker 4 (27:56):
The entire time, and even though their defense has been
pretty solid as they have been, so to me, this
is like the most in step order. Okay, now let's
see what Dylan Gabriel can do, and I agree with you.
If he doesn't perform, you've got Shador Sanders right there,
which is the next logical step. And so that's what
Shad Shador should have said, like, I'm really happy that
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Dylan Gabriel is getting the start because that means I'm
one step closer to maybe getting an opportunity.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
That's what Shador should have said.
Speaker 2 (28:22):
And there is going to be a point. So if
Dylan Gabriel gets hurt in week five, which we don't
hope for Joe Flacco is going to start in week six.
Joe Flacco's the backup. If he gets hurt in this
game against the Vikings, then Joe Flacco's going to come
in and replace him. However, the situation changes in week
eleven or week twelve, if the season has gone down
the road and Dylan Gabriel hasn't performed at that point,
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it will be shad Or Sanders' time. Why should Or
Sanders chose to mime instead of just saying the coach
speak or saying the right thing. I don't know, but
there is a scenario, and now it's a more realistic
scenario that shoud Or Sander will get his opportunity. But
today wasn't about Shador Sanders, and somehow it in a way,
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it became about shad Or Sanders. We did the preview.
Do you remember when we put questions in a hat? Yes,
it was a month ago, prior to the NFL season.
It was on Labor Day. Jason was here and perfect
and Chris, and Chris was here. I wrote the question,
will shoud Or Sanders do a postgame interview from a
game he didn't play? Right?
Speaker 3 (29:27):
Do you remember that yes he did. He did.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
So he's still a third string quarterback and he's still
getting asked questions. And that's the point of like those
things are, why are we interviewing the third string quarterback.
We don't do it on any other team. Certain teams
don't have third string quarterbacks, but we're doing it with
the Browns and that's again just goes back to my
main point. But again, today was not about shad Or Sanders.
Today was about Dylan Gabriel getting his first NFL start.
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But the miming of Shador to take shots at his
haters out there, I think kind of takes over some
of the day.
Speaker 4 (29:58):
Do you think the Browns at this point now, I'm
wondering if they did what they did drafting Shador when
they did because they knew they would at least be
a topic of conversation.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Look at the Cowboys.
Speaker 4 (30:08):
Cowboys, doesn't matter, we're talking about them.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
If that was the edict that we think from Jimmy Haslm,
then yeah, I think that theory does have some value.
Speaker 4 (30:18):
Because the entire time the Browns have been this entire season,
the Browns have been a constant topic of conversation.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
I don't know, if Jimmy has them's playing chess and
we're just playing checkers. But we haven't talked about the
massage lover Deshaun Watson at all, all with his achilles injury,
which that was a enormous cloud over the Browns last year,
and now we're more talking about this.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Other things that are that you know, it is like interesting, right,
It's interesting how we're talking to Shadoor Sanders when he
has not moved up at all in the roster for
the Browns.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
He's not even the backup, like you just said, it's
gonna be Joe Flacco.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
And they they have made a complete mess of the
quarterback position. And it goes back to the Watson signing.
Then it goes back to the variety of quarterbacks. But again,
just even this offseason, Manzi, they traded for Kenny Pickett.
So they traded for him, and then because they didn't
resign Flacco last year, they felt they had the right
their wrongs for what he did for them two years ago,
and then they resigned him. But Kenny Pickett was thought
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to be the guy at least in the off season
leading into who was going to be the quarterback? Well,
then they draft two quarterbacks, so now I have four quarterbacks,
which this is all revision, is history. But then Kenny
Pickett's not healthy, so Joe Flacco ends up being QB
one pretty much on the first day of training camp.
And then you have Kenny Pickett jettisoned before the start
of the season, and we still have the drama between
Gabriel and Sanders. My goodness, yes that none of it
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made sense, but none of it made sense. None of
it actually showed of planning, and Dylan Gabriel now getting
maybe a five to six week audition to be the
starting quarterback. Maybe, yes, that doesn't sound like much of
a plan either. She's Manzi Blanios. I'm Dan Byer in
Doug Gottlieb today here on Fox Sports Radio. Find Monty
at Monte Blanos. You can find me at Dan Bayer
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and other players out for Week five. That's next year
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Speaker 6 (32:15):
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Speaker 2 (32:26):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio she's Monty Blanos. I'm
Dan Byron for Doug today. Miming is done. We're done
with miming, but we are not done yet. Neither is
Brianna Muro. She's here with the press.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
Woo the press.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
Big thanks to Diowa. Sam Jason Stewart, executive producer, hanging
out as well, Brie. What do you got all righty guys?
Speaker 5 (32:49):
So forty nine Ers quarterback Rock Perty He has officially
been ruled out Thursday night against the Rams. He was
feeling a little bit sore after the loss to the Jaguars,
but officially he's been ruled out. Mac Jones will get
the start.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
Just like you, guys, hate the three game series with
the Dodgers and Padres if they were to play with
the Red Souts and the Yankees. I hate division games
on short weeks because of situations like this. Such a
tough spot for San Francisco now without their quarterback to
be able to recover from. I don't want to say
a minor injury, but maybe if he was given three
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more days for a division game, that's unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
It does suck. I agree with you.
Speaker 4 (33:26):
Sometimes you wonder how they think of the schedule. This way, man,
what a I really was expecting the forty nine ers
to in a little bit kind of cruise through a
lot of their games because of their strength of schedule.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
But it has not gone.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, here's the problem with that. Nobody wanted to consider
the strength of the forty nine ers, correct. They just
wanted to look at their opponents and said, oh, but
the forty nine ers had Wartz. They really did.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
They really did.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
But I'm still surprised. Not that I thought they were
gonna kick ass or anything like that, but I thought
that they would find way to win.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
We started up three, but now I'm like, I don't know,
I want to see that.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Yeah, good point.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
All right, you guys.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
So obviously the Tennessee Titans are zero to four. Cam
Ward has been kind of making some waves with his
controversial kind of statements after postgames. Well, Brian Callahan had
this to say about his quarterbacks comments.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Was he miming as well?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
He was not.
Speaker 5 (34:26):
He was saying, well, cam Ward has been saying all
these things recently about like if the team has been
to mass Okay, so we do have the sound Okay,
there we go.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
You have cam Ward? Do we have Brian callahans, do
we have Brian Callahan sound.
Speaker 8 (34:37):
Or we got cam Ward's sound from Sunday?
Speaker 11 (34:39):
Okay, I mean we're keeping a book right now, we
ask so we own four. We have this one. We
got none to lose. We dropped the court of our
games and we've yet to do anything, so we have
to lock in.
Speaker 5 (34:53):
So Brian Callahan's response to this, he's learning to grow
up in the NFL and learning the weight his word.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
It's Carrie, He's Callahan isn't wrong. It's just that Callahan
probably doesn't have the leg to stand on, considering how
he handles his own press conference in attacking reporters and
dismissing questions like they're out to get him. When you're
zero and four, there's gonna be tough questions. So maybe
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cam Ward was a bit more revealing. Maybe he doesn't
have the equity because he's a in just his fourth
game of the season, and I think that's the point
that Brian Callahan was trying to make. But the tough
part is is Brian Callahan as the messenger, he hasn't
been great with his words throughout his short ten years
a head coach in the NFL.
Speaker 4 (35:41):
You definitely don't expect a rookie to be so direct.
I guess right and so honest on there's a situation.
But cam Ward is not wrong. The Titians have been
a rough lot, correct.
Speaker 2 (35:51):
But that's for Jeffrey Simmons to say, or Tony Pollard
to say, even though they haven't been there that long.
That's the point of it. It's just that I think
a Titans player would need to say it, like Jeffrey
Simmons would need to say, like I got to talk
to cam you know, he's sure got to add, you know,
maybe a few more games under his belt before saying
those things. But you're right, we're all in for a
ramp playing good football at all.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
Yes, alrighty guys and so and then the NCAA have
they have decided to move the twenty twenty eight Women's
Final four to Lucas Oil Stadium to increase capacity rather
than the arena where the Pacers and Fever play.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
That is a big step. It is a very big step.
And the reason why it's a big step is because
you could get seventy thousand in that place for a game.
But but even the men sometimes don't get that many,
depending on who makes the final four, but it is
showing the growth of the women's game. They could set
(36:46):
it up where you could get forty thousand as well
if you wanted to.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
It's a football, yeah, to play. I don't like that.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
I don't like that it's too far away, you can't
see anything. I don't like it trying to grow the game.
I understand you want more fans there, and I get
all that, but I would not want to watch a
game that far way.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Yes, I don't know. No, the old final four setups
were great. Now when they put it in the middle
of the court, it's awful for everybody. There isn't one
good seat exactly. But what the NCAA is now I
think saying is, oh, there's a way we can make
more money. Let's do that. And that's what they're trying
to do.
Speaker 3 (37:18):
It's all about money.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
So even if you got eighteen thousand where the Pacers
play a game Bridge Field House, if you get twenty
five thousand, even if it's seven thousand more, seven thousand
more than you would have had at the other place,
but a terrible view for the fans. And that's the
press they get out.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
There and pressed that was the press.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
It's always been bad. There isn't one good seats in
the seventy thousand.
Speaker 3 (37:38):
I don't like it at all.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I like you, though. Manzi dugs back tomorrow
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