May 23, 2025 • 38 mins
Dan Beyer and NBA Veteran Ryan Hollins fill in for Doug and react to debate whether or not the Knicks can even the series with the Pacers. The Athletic's Zach Harper joins the guys to break down how the Pacers keep the magic rolling in the playoffs. Plus, Michael Malone made his former team angry!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Doug Gottlib asked the question, how in the world can
the Knicks bounce back tonight from what happened tonights ago.
Welcome in. So we're broadcasting live on this Friday, Memorial
Day weekend. Please, if you have the opportunity, remember why
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why we have the holiday in the first place. Get
Ryan on X at the Ryan Hollins you can find
me at Dan Byer on Fox and I guess, in
part to what Doug Gottlieb said when he joined his
own show with us last hour, there is still this
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feeling of a game one hangover with Pacers Knicks Ryan Hollins,
like there is there is something still with it. And
I think as basketball observers, you're a former player in
the league, spent a spent a decade in the association.
Your experience is different from mine. I'm curious. Does the
outcome on Wednesday still resonate with you? Are you still
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thinking of how in the world did the Pacers do that?
Or how in the world did the Knicks let that happen?
Does it still resonate two days later?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
It does?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And especially in New York. Uh, first time in a
very long time. They're feeling the pressure. There's no way
that you're not. Those guys are human. Uh. They want
to play well, they want to you know, do it
for the city. Uh. This is this is new territory
or for this group of New York Knicks. And they've
been hearing everything about why, you know, why they shouldn't
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be in the position. Uh, you know, you hear everything
that you can't do, you know you shouldn't do or
so you get it, and there's a million opinions swelling.
And when you're supposed to be the team, because remember
New York is a team that comes back. They were
down twenty what three times against the sething they came
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back and the New York Way and all this stuff,
and when you don't do that, that frustration can set in,
that disappointment can set in, and you have to assume
that you absolutely listen Nev. They absolutely feel the pressure.
There's no way not to. So the biggest thing they
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can do is to give the energy and effort and
get their confidence back. And again we talked earlier with Doug,
the most important quarters right now is the first and
the fourth in this next ballgame.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Here's here's the part that I just find tricky for
the Knicks, and I feel that they can rebound from this.
I think it's different from a situation that we saw
in sports within this last calendar year where something happened
and I'm going to get to that in a second,
and I felt that it was early on in thisies
and it ended up being over. But the tricky part
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with the Knicks is you talk about first and fourth quarter.
If they come out and are up by fifteen at
the end of one, I still think it's in their heads.
If they're up fifteen in the fourth quarter, I still
think it's in their heads. Kind of like with even
Boston in that game two when the Knicks. You mentioned
the comebacks that they had in that series, but we
didn't think that it would happen again to Boston, right,
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We're like, oh, that was a fluke. That was still
something that was just that just randomly happened. And apparently
it wasn't a fluke. And that's the part with New
York and maybe it's best that they get in this
spot where they're just never going to be comfortable. Like,
the only time that you can be comfortable if you're
the Knicks, especially tonight, is when there are zeros on
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the clock and you have more points than they do.
But at any point in this game, Ryan, I mean,
even if you're down to two minutes left and one
minute left, I got the stats in front of me,
fourteen and thirty four to oh, NBA teams are leading
by nine or more point into the final minute at
nine and ninety four and one teams leading playoff games
by fourteen points in the final two forty five in
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the contest two minutes and forty five seconds. Like, those
things are not gonna go away unless there's double zeros
or triple zeros on the clock tonight. And that's the
tricky part that I think with New York is no
matter how well they play and what they do in
the first forty six minutes, if the Pacers are hanging around,
it's still going to be in the back of your head.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It is, man, and the Pacers are a team that
like they believe it's scary, they believe, they're confident. They
don't know any different. And you know, Dan, you gotta think, man,
they're doing that. Haliburton did that in the garden. All
the stars, all the celebrities, all the hype, all the
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hate mail, everything you feed off of, and this guy
just just went and had a in front of Daddy
Byer in front. Let's set the stage again. We got
everybody pulling for the Knicks. Next Knicks, Knicks. Reggie Miller's
there on the call. You're down, you get the ball.
You had the kahonahs and yes, Doug Gottlieb said, I said,
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can say cohonahs on Fox Sports Radio. To step back
and not just tie the game, but to go for
the three and then you emotionally stay in it when
you when you didn't hit the three and you still win,
and you just and it's the way they did it.
Then they walked them down. It was. It wasn't like
this was an accident. It was like we are the
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better team and they smell blood in the water like Piranhas. Man,
it was scary the way they did it.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay, do you think the do you think the Knicks
feel the Pacers are the better team? I don't.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I think they're questioning though, right right, they're You're human.
They got to be questioned right now.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I give the Pacers all the credit in the world
for what they have done, what they did last night.
They did this to the Cavaliers, they did it to
the Bock in closing them out in Game five in Indianapolis.
I give them all the credit in the world. But
if you're in the Knicks, you're saying, if the Halliburton
shot doesn't go down, if Nie Smith just misses one
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of those threes, you got a Game one victory. If
og Ananobi doesn't fumble the basketball underneath the basket and
then it just ends up being a lost ball turnover
and not a foul on Pascal Siakam, you're probably winning
the game. And that's the mindset that I think that
you have to have for the Knicks. And I bring
up the World Series when Freddy Freeman hit the Grand
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Slam against the Yankees in Game one, at that point
I knew it was over. There was no way the
Yankees were going to come back for that, because the
Dodgers were just the better team. There was no bouncing
back from that, and ultimately we saw the Dodgers win
the series. We saw the Yankees blow their own lead
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in that series. It just kind of fell apart. But
in Game one, when Freddy Freeman hit that Grand Slam,
I thought that the series was over with. I do
not feel that way with the Knicks and Pacers. I
feel that the Knicks can win tonight. I think that
they have all of the ammunition to go to Indianapolis
and win a game. And I feel that the Pacers
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in a way because they aren't perfect. I think I
said this to you a couple of weeks ago. I
wasn't even sure if they were good, and they've now
proven me completely wrong. I am on the Pacers are
good train. I've left that in the dust. But I
do think that it is still there for New York
because the thing from Game one you can't say is
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how did we blow that? It's you got to say,
all right, if we just do if we do one
of the little things, if we close out, or we
grab the basketball, or we're smarter with the basketball, we win.
That's how close we were in winning that game. That's
why I think the Knicks have a shot not only tonight,
but also still in winning this series.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
And here's the thing, here's the fairness. You made a
good state he said, I didn't know the Pacers were good.
You have to see him play. You gotta understand they
wear you down. You gotta respect that they've been there
the last year. Okay, they were a team they played
in the Eastern Conference finals and they lost to the Celtics. Okay,
and I know the Celtics what they did to them.
The Celtics are really darn good. But ultimately, at the
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end of the day, you know, they couldn't defend. Early
in the year, they had some horrible I mean, the
Pacers had some blowouts. Halla Burton just looked completely uninterested
as a star. And they do go up and down
and there group that isn't great defensively, but they're smart.
And that's Rick Carlisle. I played for Rick. Rick is
gonna put together a defense that can you know, play
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well against you, he's gonna he's gonna make sure his
team is ready at the right time. And at the
end of the day, you knew when Pascal Siakam went
over there, they needed a wing, and they got a
big wing that can go score and kind of play
with the athletes of the NBA, the star athletes, and
and I think the Pacers are just that you. They're
that team that you don't want to play against. They're
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the team that frustrates you. It's not sexy, man, it's not.
You don't have the trash talker Anthony Edwards, you don't
have the star power of Lebron James, you don't have
the historical value of the New York Knicks. They are
just a dare I say, like, I don't know if
it's I guess an offensive blue collar team. Do you
get what I'm saying by that. Yeah, they play together,
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they play the right way, they move the basketball on
the offensive normally saying that about defense, they're a blue
collar offensive team.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I laid it out in this way of like when
you take each player individually, like Halliburton's is great, but
Halliburton's not twenty eight a game. Pascal Siaka when he
won the title with the Raptors, was obviously the number
two there in Toronto at the time. Miles Turner, for
as good as he is, he's always been the guy
of when is Miles Turner gonna be out of town? Right? Like?
Who's is he? When's he gonna be in a Lakers uniform?
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Like there's it's it's there is something. There is something
about them where they're they're not top level, but then
they make it work. TJ McConnell coming off the bench,
Nie Smith you mentioned earlier. Nie Smith had a game
like this against the Bucks, not like that against the Knicks,
but where it was all right, this guy doesn't want
to miss tonight or you know his threes, we're backbreakers.
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So yeah, so there's there is something. There is something
about them, and I feel the Rick Carlisle point that
you made is very well put. They're not perfect. Yeah,
there are gaps defensively, but man, they make it work.
They make it work together.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
No, no, they do. And again, the thing about hall
Burton is that he can take over. He's got the
clutch gene and you know he's fearless. But when you
see him in a sawmer earlier this year. It's just
unique man, Like, he makes the right plays and you
gotta think he's a good six five six six, so
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you know he can see over the point guard's head.
He sets a unique player. Man. It's a little unorthodox.
He caught it like, he does it his way and
it ain't the flashiest, but he dude, he makes all
the plays. And if you didn't know, now you know
he can also make all the shots.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, and that was a two point game, and you
talk about making all the shots. What is interesting is
you saw what he did against Milwaukee in closing them
out in Game five. What he did was took the
ball to the basket, got to the basket, made a
shot with one second left, got past Giannis, and sent
the Bucks home. In Game two against Cleveland, what does
he do in a two point game? Steps back, hits
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the three and you're thinking, okay, well, now, if you're
the Knicks in a two point game at the end
of regulation, Halliburton has shown in the previous two rounds
he has hit game winners either at the basket or
twenty five feet away. So what do you do, right?
And at one point, I don't even know if Halliburton
know what he was doing because when he ran into
the lane and then saw Mitchell Robinson there and decides, okay,
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well I'll turn it back, looks at the other clock
and realize is he only has two seconds, but he's
still had the wherewithal to take the shot outside. I
don't think anybody realized. It's funny, like if a guy
hits a game winner, you're like, well, the next time,
we're gonna make sure that he doesn't do that again.
But with Halliburton you can't because he's hit game winners
at the basket or from three point range so far
in these playoffs. And I think that made Game one tricky. No,
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it's it's a bit of a bit of an enigma.
Feels like an understatement. But yeah, he's they've done it all.
And I also say this, the stats that I that
I that I mentioned Ryan, I think those stats are
inflated in a way. And I the reason I say that,
and I brought this up yesterday on the network. If
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that's the Golden State Warriors down fourteen with two forty
five left, what does Steve Kerr do. Steph come on
out and sit, Jimmy Butler come on out and sit.
You know what, We're gonna wave the towel. No point
in trying to make this comeback. Will just take this
loss and move on. I'm not saying every one of
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the nine hundred and ninety four wins that happened in
those situations were because the losing team wave the white flag.
But what I am saying is the Pacers don't have
that makeup. They have a bunch of young guys who
you're not saving for any minutes, doesn't matter what the
schedule is. I think that there are teams that would
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have just said, all right, we're just gonna move on
to Game two. This one is a rap. We'll go
and try to steal Game two. But they don't have
that mentality. And I think it's because of the makeup
of the team. And I also think it's because of
what they did against the Bucks and then what they
did against the Cavaliers. And now, when you're an official,
we talk about ball handling in the NBA. Apparently it's
now atrocious because the Pacers are exposing everybody in doing so.
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But it is such a unique situation. But I think
part of the reason is you would see NBA teams
just wave the white flag and quit in those situations
in an irregular season game, Ryan, you and I both
know that is what's happening. It could be nine points
with a minute to go and teams like, all right,
we're done. You know, we got a back to back.
We got another one tomorrow night. And I feel that
those situations are coming out here in the playoffs and
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being magnified by what the Pacers have done.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Now, in fairness with Steve Kerr, what they ended up
doing is, you know, he called it around the fourth quarter,
but he knew he was in a position and he
was very correct where he knew that. You know, if
Curry wasn't you know, he only had so many miles
on Steph Curry, and Steph Curry probably if you did
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the numbers, you know that in that first round ran
more than probably any easily any player in the first
round of the playoffs, you know, because he gets the ball,
he brings it up, then he gets off the ball,
just sprints and moves. So Kerr had to rest it,
sit his guys in moments, especially against Houston, because he
knew they wouldn't last.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
They're my most extreme example, but they wouldn't be the
only example. If you're running a bench with you know,
if you're playing only guys and guys are logging forty minutes.
You think the Lakers are trying to come back from
that deficit, you know, no way. And I don't know
I'm talking of bringing older players into this Lebron, but
it's there's I just don't think a lot of teams
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would look at that deficit and be like, Okay, this
is something that we can actually have a shot at.
And now the Pacers have done it in basically three
straight series, and I feel it's one of the reasons
because they don't have to rest guys, they don't have
to sit them out, or they don't have to think
of the long game for it. They can do it
and be fine. But we'll see if it happens tonight.
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You say first and fourth are big. I say those
triple zeros for the next are going to be big.
That they have more points on the board. I'll tell
them this sticks. No, the sticks with them throughout the
entire playoffs. You cannot rest up. There is at no
point will you feel safe. You may I'll tell you
what you may be taking the ball out of bounds
a little bit slower if you're up under three minutes,
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because the clock's gonna tick a little bit more. There
are those sort of things. You may not be so
fast bound it. If the Pacers aren't aren't showing pressure,
everything's gonna play in. It's gonna have lasting effects. I
don't think that the series is over by any means.
I think the Knicks can win a game in Indianapolis.
I think they can absolutely win again. They can maybe
win two games at Indianapolis. But I just think that
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it's going to be in their head that they have
to even up fifteen. You're gonna be reminded about what
happened on once tonight.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
And it's scary. You did make a good point. There
are points where you see the game and you're like, yeah,
the Pacers aren't that good. Okay, they're down fourteen, they're
down twenty, and then like they turn it on. They're
just they they're the type of team that's just never
out the game because they wear you out. And I've
seen it, man, and you look back, my Rockets got
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beat you know a couple times like that. I think
the year before they came back at one and you know,
kind of get hot. But when they move the basketball,
they are so hard to guard. And when that group
hit shots and in the game Et Smith ends up
getting hot and he hit shots. They I mean I'm
talking about they just get red hot, man, flaming red hot.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
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Fox as we are in for Doug Gottlieb on The
Doug Gottlieb Show on this Friday. Coming up next, Zach
Harper joins us to talk about these NBA playoffs and
what could go down tonight in New York and what
needs to go down in Minnesota and so much more.
He is Ryan Hollins. I'm Dan Byer. That's next here
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on Fox Sports Radio. Thanks for listening to The Doug
Gottlieb Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
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Speaker 2 (17:45):
You've heard him here on Fox Sports Radio, hosting shows
also on Siria SX and I'm mad Dog Radio, but
his main gig covering the NBA for the Athletic Zach
Harper joins us on this Friday. He's Ryan Hollins. I'm
Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Zach.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
How are you.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
What's up, fellas? I'm doing well.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I know you're just down the street from us, but
it's good to catch you up and reflect on these
two playoff series going on. Right now, let's go back
to Wednesday. There's Ryan and I were just talking about
it as well. How much of a hangover do you
think the Knicks still have from what went down at
the Garden in Game one?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Nah, It's so weird to think about because it's a
collapse in which they kind of played well, like they
scored on seven of their last ten possessions in regulation,
So it's not like they were throwing the ball away
and couldn't hit shot like they' scoring seven last ten possessions.
The problem is they just give up a three every
time down the floor, like, so it's not like it's
a collapse, but it's not a total collapse, but it
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kind of is. At the same time, I feel like
you can just let that go because they mostly played well.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
In that game.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
And I got to feel like, if you're Tom Sibodeau,
you can focus those guys because it's a bunch of
veterans and you know they do have you know, Jim
Brunson is the most clutch player in the league this
year and everything, Like, I feel like.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
You can focus those guys.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
But I think the problem is is that if it's
a close game tonight or they've got, you know, a
ten point lead with a few minutes left, and Indiana
starts getting any kind of momentum, I do think you
have to worry like that starts seeping back into their
minds of like, oh, now here we go again, because
I think you saw that with the Cleveland series, and
I think I think the Knicks are tougher mentally than
what we've seen from Cleveland in the last couple of playoffs.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
But but man.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
That's got to be something that's going to be in
their back of the head all season or all series long.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
I should say, is it fair of us to say
that SGA is better than Anthony Edwards or is it
just that SGA has the better team.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Well, I think it's probably both.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
But also, I mean, he's he's three years three, three
a half years old or something like, like he should be better, right,
Like Aunt's still twenty three, He's still pretty young. SGA's
been doing this a while, He's been working on his
craft a lot longer. But but I do think he's better.
I do think he's a he's a He's just he
knows how to attack a little bit better. You still
see Aunt, you know, a little hesitant with some of
the defensive looks, whereas Shay he seems to be very
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comfortable with whatever or you know, whatever they're throwing up
doesn't matter. The defender doesn't matter, like kind of the covers,
the zone, the junk defenses, the doubles. Sha seems very
comfortable in the series, where Ant, And maybe some of
that is is the ankle injuries, because An's turned his ankle,
like it seems like every every fourth quarter, you know,
every three or four quarters, like Ants turned his ankle
in these postseasons. But you know, maybe that's part.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Of the hesitancy.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
But Ant just seems a little hesitant. It was better
last night he was driving to the basket, But it
doesn't quite look like what we're used to with ant
in his aggressiveness just all over the floor, but also
like he does just have a better team, Like that
team's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
It's it is interesting and it's crazy because I Zach
Zach Carper joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. He's
Ryan Hollins. I'm Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb. Not
going down the thunder road because it's one of those
things when you think about time, like it just blows
your mind and it's too freaky, like to think of
the thunder wind now and everything that they could have
ahead of them. I don't even want to think about
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in the NBA. So we're just gonna leave that off
to the side. But I look at Minnesota and you
talk about it. Anthony Edwards and Ryan and I were
talking earlier, and my whole point was we talked about
this face of the league stuff, and I feel that
Anthony Edwards's name has been brought up in the conversation,
and I don't know if SGA's has, And I feel
that Edwards thinks in the back of his head that hey,
I'm the real guy here, I'm the talent. All of
this this flopping stuff all of this manipulating stuff. I'm
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the real baller here. I think it's getting under their skin.
But what I wonder now, and just in what you
said there, what do we look at with Anthony Edwards
if they do bow out, if they end up getting
ousted in five games by Oklahoma City second straight year,
that would happen, Like what does he need to do?
What do they need to do to change the series
and maybe change the organization if they're going to bow
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out again at.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
This point, I don't think they I mean, I don't
know that they need to change the organization two months
if you like you think about it, like this Timberwals
team never franchised, Like it doesn't have a lot of
success historically, right, and back to back conference finals is crazy?
Like I never said, I grew up, you know, rooting
for the Temples and everything. And I've kind of gotten
that out as i've as i've you know, become a
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media member, because I don't think you should really really.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Root for this stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
But but I like, I grew up watching and I
spent a lot of mays, a lot of amazing dreams,
like not watching basketball. It's my favorite team.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Get this is pretty rare, and so.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
You know, this is this is something where they like
he's he's changed the temperles completely, like this is not normal.
But at the same time, if this is the ceiling
of this unit, you know, I think some of that
is he will grow. This isn't the best player he's
gonna be. He is only twenty three, as I said,
and he's gonna get better. Some of that is going
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to be leaderships. Some of that is gonna be his game.
Some of that's gonna be understanding. Some of that's gonna
be They're gonna have to adjust the roster. And you know,
I think they have a really good team. I think
they have a really good approach. I also think, you know,
I think the game two they were gonna lose that
no matter. I think they were outclass in game two.
I think they should have won Game one. I know
the final score doesn't reflect that, but you know, the
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first half, they missed a lot of wide open three
pointers that their guys normally make, like Nasriy Nikkel, Alexander Walker,
Mike Conley, Dante DiVincenzo. They missed a ton of wide
open threes that they're all forty percent shooters. On wide
open threes, like you expect them to make those shots.
I think if they make those, especially in the first half,
instead of it being a four point lead going into halftime,
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it's like fifteen eighteen twenty, And I think that matters.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Now.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Oklahoma City's still going to make their run. They're a
great team, They're a great third quarter team, but that
cushion it changes things, and I think they could have
withstood it more. You know, it was a ten point
game with five minutes to go in the game. I
think they should have won Game one. I think they
should have, you know, played better and knocked those shots down.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Game two, I think they were.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Gonna get smoked regardless because I think okay See was
just better in that game. But I do think it's
a it's weird. I think it's a little closer than
people believe it is. And at the same time, it
feels daunting for Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Did our perception of Tyrese Haliburton change right now?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
I mean, he like, man, this guy brings it right one.
Can we please stop the overrated thing? We got to stop.
Like I worked for the athletic, right, I worked for
the athletic. I'm like I didn't look, I didn't do
any work in this anonymous player's pole. But if you
think about it, there were ninety players that voted in
that thing. In that in that question of the anonymous
player poles for the for the overrated question, just that
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question alone, if he got fourteen percent of vote, it's
thirteen players. It's just thirteen.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Players in the We got to stop doing that.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
I know they're using his motivation, but we gotta we
gotta stop this overrated thing.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Like it's just math at this point.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
But Tyreese is man, he's incredible, Like, this guy is
such a leader. He's like, I mean, you look at
his his play since since January first. I want to
say he had like a like a six and a
half to one turnover assistant turnover ratio something ridiculous like that.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
He's basically you know, you.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
You trust him through long stretches of the season to
be a fifty forty ninety guy. I mean, he's just
he's just such an incredible clutch player. You like you
know that that he's he's unfazed by those big shots.
I mean, he's done this a lot, and he runs
that team the way Rick Carlisle wants him to, and
they get into you know, they're down ten points, fifteen
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points in the fourth quarter, and instead of going like
I don't know, guys, maybe next time, like he's like,
all right, let's go, let's let's let's push the pace,
let's get this thing going, let's put pressure on them,
let's get into the into the paint. It's nothing just
jacking up a bunch of threes like they played basketball,
Like they get into the paint and force the defense
to do things. That's all him. That's all him, you know,
having this team geared around him like he's.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
He's one of the best point guards in the league.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
And maybe people hate him, but you have to hate
him because he's kicking your team's butt.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah. I think there's a lot too that. Jack Harper
joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Find him at
Talk Hoops. The poll is the poll, Like I got
into it with somebody on X because it's part of
the conversation. And I think you're right, Zach that it
ends up. I think it's a bit may be the
best thing that happened to Tyre's Halliburton or the places,
you know, for for how it's been. But there apparently
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is a group of people that feel that he was overrated,
And and Ryan and I were just talking about it.
I said, the amazing thing about what Haliburton has done
in these playoffs and I'll get to my question in
a second. Is he beats the box on a shot
at the hoop and he and he knocks out the
Calves in game two with a twenty five footer. So
now if you're the Knicks in game one, you have
no idea where he's going to go in a two
point game because he's done both in the last the
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last couple of weeks. My whole question is with Halliburton,
is it the team? UIs? Say stuff? Because we saw
on how much it played with Jason Tatum and the
conversations we had. I remember the Sabonis Halliburton trade and
at the time and I'm thinking, wow, Indiana's got a
player not And there was no disrespect to sibonus. He's
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had a great career so far in Sacramento. But but
isn't that sort of thing that kind of lends you
to think he's overrated as because he's not twenty five
a game. Why would that sort of label come to
Tyres Halliburton considering what he has accomplished.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Yeah, well, I think also like players, I don't know
that players don't like him. I do know that there
is there does seem to be a perception with some
players where it's the whole thing of like if they
feel he's front running in the sense of, oh, you
start talking trash when you're up right, Sure, Ryan knows
it's like that.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Players don't like that, right, you better talk trash when
you're behind.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I jump shot honestly exactly, I thought, because it's so orthodox.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Look, the jumpers weird, but but it's gold right, Like, yeah,
so you he can kick it up there for all
that care. The way it goes in like it's it's
pretty good. But to your point about the way he scores,
I mean, it's not just that that bucket at the
end to take the bucks set, like he scored that
on Yannis. He saw Jannis and problems like this is
a layout, like I'm taking you to the rack and
I'm ending your season, and like he's fearless. And I
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think that plus the trash talk, plus the weird looking game,
plus the control he has, and I still think people
underestimate this pacer team. I think a lot of people
still think that they beat the Calves because of injuries.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
I don't. I think they were better.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Well, let me let me ask you something about Anthony Edwards.
Do you think he can change his play style or
does he need to or is it more of, hey,
let's get pieces that fit around him.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
I do think he can. I do think he can.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Like I think he's still learning decision making, you know,
especially like with different coverages. Like you know, he he
changed his play style from last year to this year
in that he wasn't a very good three point shooter, right,
he was maybe at best league average, and then he
was a pretty special three point shooter this season, and
that was you know, it's more than just a summer
of work. He's been working on this for a while,
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but you really saw you really saw him, you know,
see the results this season being basically a forty three
point shooter and leading the league in three pointers made.
So I do think he can add to his game,
but I think that's mostly going to be we know
he can get to the rack, we know he can
shoot threes.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
I think some of that's going to be.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Finding ways to draw more fouls, whether that's going to
be you know, kind of the foul merchant stuff that
the Internet hates, or it's going to be you know,
finding more contact at the rim, whatever that is. I
do think he needs some of that in his game,
and I think it's just decision making him playmaking. He's
a good playmaker. He could be a great playmaker, and
that will lend itself to making the job easier because
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we do see a tendency of him just kind of
dribbling around and.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
He's great at it, and he's good at just.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Scoring one on one, one on five at times, but
he does have to he's got to involve his teammates
a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Okay, we're going to end on this with Zach Carper
joining us on the Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio.
He's Ryan Hollins, the NBA Vet. I'm Dan Beyer. This
is going way ahead. I don't think the Timberwolves are
out of it. I think it's quite an uphill climb,
but I'm not willing to cut him out of it.
But could this be the start of a long run
for Oklahoma City? And I'm talking and you know, title
title title, Considering the ammunition that they have or is
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it a different NBA. I mean, where do you think
this If Oka se Can gets it done, gets it done,
is it the start of a long run for them?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
I don't think it is just because one these things
tend to be shorter than we think. We thought that,
you know, the Heat, We're going to be this thing
for ten years. It was four. You know, the Warriors
ruined basketball with Kevin Durant, that was three years. You know,
Denver was had all of a sudden solved the league.
That was a year, and now you know they're firing
coaches three games before the end of the season. I
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think the league is made for parody. I personally hate it.
I hate parody. I think we should have dynasties that
get built up and they get torn down. So I
would love it if, you know, the Thunder or whoever
becomes a dynasty. But I also I think the league
really messed up with this second aprin and the penalties
they have. I don't think it should go towards teams
that are players that you draft. I think teams like
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the Thunder, teams like the Rockets, teams like all the
team the teams like the Pistons seems that have built
with the draft and done the proper things of evaluating
talent and bringing it in. I don't think that should
count towards the second apron all this stuff. I think
you should be rewarded for being smart rather than penalized
because you did a good job. And so I think
that will eventually affect the thunder and keep them from it.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Maybe we finally get a back to back champion. If
that happens, that would be great because I again I
hate parody.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
And we'll see if this conversation continues into the summer.
Still a lot of hoops to be played, Zach, we
appreciate it. Enjoyed tonight's game exact and all day weekend.
Thanks man.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Appreciate you, guys.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Zach Harper at Talk Hoops covering the NBA for the
Athletic He is Ryan Hollins. I'm Dan byersonting in for
Doug Gottlieb here on Fox Sports Radio. Monty Belanios is
going to join us next for the press and posing
this question, did Michael alone mean to shade Nicola Jokic
and the MVP. We'll talk about it next year. On
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(31:54):
Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
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Speaker 2 (32:09):
Doug Gottlieb Show at Fox Sports Radio. I'm Dan Byer.
He's Ryan Hollins, the NBA VET sitting in for Doug.
Thanks to Zach Harper and Doug Gottlieb for joining us
earlier in this show doing so on his own show.
You can always hear the podcast at Fox Sports Radio
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Ryan Hollins. You can find me at Dan Byer on Fox.
You can also catch me on Blue Sky at Dan Byer.
Are you on Blue Sky yet, Ryan Hollins, I'm not.
What is it? It's just a different it's just a
different social media page. Chris perfet Or Technical Producer loves
loves It. I don't think Mancy Belanios has gotten there yet.
(32:50):
Ryan Berschinger, I think bursch you're on Blue Sky, aren't you.
I do.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I haven't looked at it in maybe a month or two.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Well, we'll work on Monsey and we'll try to get
your usage up. But you can follow me on Blue
Sky at Dan Bayer. Speaking of Mancy, she's here with
the press. Now we're gonna get some sort of no
thank you or I'm good from Mancy. She laughs. Every
time I promote my Blue Sky page. Ryan Hollins, h I.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
Do, Ryan, I do. I I just but you know what,
I have no reason to laugh. You always get like
a follower or two every time, so at least you're
you know, you're.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Get true, that's true if it's b E y e
R for those that are that are curious exactly.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
So I hope you get another one in the next
hour or so.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
Dan, Okay, all right, guys.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
We're gonna start. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
In the n b A s G A, Shay Giljes
Alexander was handed as MVP trophy ahead of Game two
between the Thunder and the Tea Wolves. Now, Michael Malone
was there, who we all know was fired by the
Denver Nuggets, and he wanted to set the record straight
on Nicola Jokic and.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I did vote for him again this year if I
had a vote.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I want to make sure that people in.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Denver know that, because right now I'm getting a.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
Lot of heat back on getting a lot of heat
back home. But he says he would have voted for
Nicola Jokic if he had a vote.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
The whole deal is, I don't think Michael Malone needs
to apologize or say anything. You know what to think happened,
Ryan Hollins, He fell into the media trap. It's funny
because when you're an active player that people will always says,
just the media, this is all the media stuff. And
then when former players transition to the media, I'm not
saying you, but they will fall into certain media things.
(34:39):
And I think Michael Malone did. And just saying that
SGA was the MVP forgetting everything that had gone on previously.
He was making that as a media member comment, not
as a former head coach at the Denver Nuggets comment.
And he realized it real quick. You know what.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Should I don't even know if I should say this
right now?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Maybe we should hear you really?
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Okay, come on, Ryan, this is my opinion. I don't
know anything. This is not from any information or anything
at all. But if Nicolo jokicch one of the greatest
players that we have ever seen play the game, arguably
the greatest center that we've ever seen play the game,
arguably guys. No disrespect to Kareem a game shack whoever,
(35:27):
but you can argue with the numbers right one in
Mike Malone as his head coach, I believe he'd still
be the head coach and just leave it at.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
That, all right, that's Jue. Oh well, he's gonna leave
it at that. I will not. I feel that Michael
Malone has such at such an interesting rooting effort, and
for I don't. I there's there's no way that I
feel that I could cheer for the Nuggets like for me,
I would just I would want them to lose. I
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would want them to lose in the first round. In
but out that's just me. I mean, as I've always said, Ryan,
when I am out and somebody fills in for me,
and I asked what it's like, and Ryan Bercheyger can
attest to this. All I want to hear when I
come back is God, it was awful, Thank goodness, you're back.
And so that's what I think Michael Malone is in
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all of this.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
So if you, hey, hey, you know that Tom Brady mean,
all I can think of is that when they lost
that game seven, like Mike Malone doest I got, I
got another one? And then and then Chris Paul happens
to be at the game, Scott Foster gets an elbow
(36:39):
to the gut and a shot, and I'm sure Chris
Paul does around Chris tom Brady mean to Leopards in
with them? Oh sorry, Scott? Are you okay? Look back?
Speaker 7 (36:51):
So good poetic justice? If that's not that, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
That was so good? All right, guys.
Speaker 7 (36:56):
So, Rich Paul of Clutch Sports recently appeared on The
Rich Eisen Show and this is what he had to
say about Lebron James and his future.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
I think they've been on pins and needles for a while.
I think I don't know about that, though I wish
I had the answer, Rich, I do.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
So you don't have conversations with him about how much
longer he wanted to Okay, it's.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
No, I don't have I don't have conversations like that.
I just I go into each year like he's continued
to play. I never even like talk about that.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Sure, Rich, sure, definitely not a part of the plan.
This is just all over in the air, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (37:30):
Yeah, it's just that. How do you not talk to
him about the future?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Come on, in five seconds? You want to leave it
at that, Ryan Hollins, are you good with Rich Paul?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Of course Rich knows, I know Rich, and Rich is
just not gonna spill the beans. There's an idea. Yeah,
and as much as Lebron, Lebron probably doesn't know how
long Lebron unfortunately may have to be injured before he quits.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
Doug Gottlib asked the question, how in the world can
the Knicks bounce back tonight from what happened tonights ago.
Welcome in. So we're broadcasting live on this Friday, Memorial
Day weekend. Please, if you have the opportunity, remember why
we have Memorial Day weekend, remembering those that we lost,
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(00:40):
want to go out and have a great weekend, have
the Monday holiday, but please take time to remember on
why we have the holiday in the first place. Get
Ryan on X at the Ryan Hollins you can find
me at Dan Byer on Fox and I guess, in
part to what Doug Gottlieb said when he joined his
own show with us last hour, there is still this
(01:01):
feeling of a game one hangover with Pacers Knicks Ryan Hollins,
like there is there is something still with it. And
I think as basketball observers, you're a former player in
the league, spent a spent a decade in the association.
Your experience is different from mine. I'm curious. Does the
outcome on Wednesday still resonate with you? Are you still
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thinking of how in the world did the Pacers do that?
Or how in the world did the Knicks let that happen?
Does it still resonate two days later?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
It does?
Speaker 4 (01:30):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (01:31):
And especially in New York. Uh, first time in a
very long time. They're feeling the pressure. There's no way
that you're not. Those guys are human. Uh. They want
to play well, they want to you know, do it
for the city. Uh. This is this is new territory
or for this group of New York Knicks. And they've
been hearing everything about why, you know, why they shouldn't
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be in the position. Uh, you know, you hear everything
that you can't do, you know you shouldn't do or
so you get it, and there's a million opinions swelling.
And when you're supposed to be the team, because remember
New York is a team that comes back. They were
down twenty what three times against the sething they came
(02:13):
back and the New York Way and all this stuff,
and when you don't do that, that frustration can set in,
that disappointment can set in, and you have to assume
that you absolutely listen Nev. They absolutely feel the pressure.
There's no way not to. So the biggest thing they
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can do is to give the energy and effort and
get their confidence back. And again we talked earlier with Doug,
the most important quarters right now is the first and
the fourth in this next ballgame.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Here's here's the part that I just find tricky for
the Knicks, and I feel that they can rebound from this.
I think it's different from a situation that we saw
in sports within this last calendar year where something happened
and I'm going to get to that in a second,
and I felt that it was early on in thisies
and it ended up being over. But the tricky part
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with the Knicks is you talk about first and fourth quarter.
If they come out and are up by fifteen at
the end of one, I still think it's in their heads.
If they're up fifteen in the fourth quarter, I still
think it's in their heads. Kind of like with even
Boston in that game two when the Knicks. You mentioned
the comebacks that they had in that series, but we
didn't think that it would happen again to Boston, right,
(03:25):
We're like, oh, that was a fluke. That was still
something that was just that just randomly happened. And apparently
it wasn't a fluke. And that's the part with New
York and maybe it's best that they get in this
spot where they're just never going to be comfortable. Like,
the only time that you can be comfortable if you're
the Knicks, especially tonight, is when there are zeros on
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the clock and you have more points than they do.
But at any point in this game, Ryan, I mean,
even if you're down to two minutes left and one
minute left, I got the stats in front of me,
fourteen and thirty four to oh, NBA teams are leading
by nine or more point into the final minute at
nine and ninety four and one teams leading playoff games
by fourteen points in the final two forty five in
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the contest two minutes and forty five seconds. Like, those
things are not gonna go away unless there's double zeros
or triple zeros on the clock tonight. And that's the
tricky part that I think with New York is no
matter how well they play and what they do in
the first forty six minutes, if the Pacers are hanging around,
it's still going to be in the back of your head.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
It is, man, and the Pacers are a team that
like they believe it's scary, they believe, they're confident. They
don't know any different. And you know, Dan, you gotta think, man,
they're doing that. Haliburton did that in the garden. All
the stars, all the celebrities, all the hype, all the
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hate mail, everything you feed off of, and this guy
just just went and had a in front of Daddy
Byer in front. Let's set the stage again. We got
everybody pulling for the Knicks. Next Knicks, Knicks. Reggie Miller's
there on the call. You're down, you get the ball.
You had the kahonahs and yes, Doug Gottlieb said, I said,
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can say cohonahs on Fox Sports Radio. To step back
and not just tie the game, but to go for
the three and then you emotionally stay in it when
you when you didn't hit the three and you still win,
and you just and it's the way they did it.
Then they walked them down. It was. It wasn't like
this was an accident. It was like we are the
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better team and they smell blood in the water like Piranhas. Man,
it was scary the way they did it.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Okay, do you think the do you think the Knicks
feel the Pacers are the better team? I don't.
Speaker 3 (05:45):
I think they're questioning though, right right, they're You're human.
They got to be questioned right now.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
I give the Pacers all the credit in the world
for what they have done, what they did last night.
They did this to the Cavaliers, they did it to
the Bock in closing them out in Game five in Indianapolis.
I give them all the credit in the world. But
if you're in the Knicks, you're saying, if the Halliburton
shot doesn't go down, if Nie Smith just misses one
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of those threes, you got a Game one victory. If
og Ananobi doesn't fumble the basketball underneath the basket and
then it just ends up being a lost ball turnover
and not a foul on Pascal Siakam, you're probably winning
the game. And that's the mindset that I think that
you have to have for the Knicks. And I bring
up the World Series when Freddy Freeman hit the Grand
(06:34):
Slam against the Yankees in Game one, at that point
I knew it was over. There was no way the
Yankees were going to come back for that, because the
Dodgers were just the better team. There was no bouncing
back from that, and ultimately we saw the Dodgers win
the series. We saw the Yankees blow their own lead
(06:54):
in that series. It just kind of fell apart. But
in Game one, when Freddy Freeman hit that Grand Slam,
I thought that the series was over with. I do
not feel that way with the Knicks and Pacers. I
feel that the Knicks can win tonight. I think that
they have all of the ammunition to go to Indianapolis
and win a game. And I feel that the Pacers
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in a way because they aren't perfect. I think I
said this to you a couple of weeks ago. I
wasn't even sure if they were good, and they've now
proven me completely wrong. I am on the Pacers are
good train. I've left that in the dust. But I
do think that it is still there for New York
because the thing from Game one you can't say is
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how did we blow that? It's you got to say,
all right, if we just do if we do one
of the little things, if we close out, or we
grab the basketball, or we're smarter with the basketball, we win.
That's how close we were in winning that game. That's
why I think the Knicks have a shot not only tonight,
but also still in winning this series.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
And here's the thing, here's the fairness. You made a
good state he said, I didn't know the Pacers were good.
You have to see him play. You gotta understand they
wear you down. You gotta respect that they've been there
the last year. Okay, they were a team they played
in the Eastern Conference finals and they lost to the Celtics. Okay,
and I know the Celtics what they did to them.
The Celtics are really darn good. But ultimately, at the
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end of the day, you know, they couldn't defend. Early
in the year, they had some horrible I mean, the
Pacers had some blowouts. Halla Burton just looked completely uninterested
as a star. And they do go up and down
and there group that isn't great defensively, but they're smart.
And that's Rick Carlisle. I played for Rick. Rick is
gonna put together a defense that can you know, play
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well against you, he's gonna he's gonna make sure his
team is ready at the right time. And at the
end of the day, you knew when Pascal Siakam went
over there, they needed a wing, and they got a
big wing that can go score and kind of play
with the athletes of the NBA, the star athletes, and
and I think the Pacers are just that you. They're
that team that you don't want to play against. They're
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the team that frustrates you. It's not sexy, man, it's not.
You don't have the trash talker Anthony Edwards, you don't
have the star power of Lebron James, you don't have
the historical value of the New York Knicks. They are
just a dare I say, like, I don't know if
it's I guess an offensive blue collar team. Do you
get what I'm saying by that. Yeah, they play together,
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they play the right way, they move the basketball on
the offensive normally saying that about defense, they're a blue
collar offensive team.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
I laid it out in this way of like when
you take each player individually, like Halliburton's is great, but
Halliburton's not twenty eight a game. Pascal Siaka when he
won the title with the Raptors, was obviously the number
two there in Toronto at the time. Miles Turner, for
as good as he is, he's always been the guy
of when is Miles Turner gonna be out of town? Right? Like?
Who's is he? When's he gonna be in a Lakers uniform?
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Like there's it's it's there is something. There is something
about them where they're they're not top level, but then
they make it work. TJ McConnell coming off the bench,
Nie Smith you mentioned earlier. Nie Smith had a game
like this against the Bucks, not like that against the Knicks,
but where it was all right, this guy doesn't want
to miss tonight or you know his threes, we're backbreakers.
(10:15):
So yeah, so there's there is something. There is something
about them, and I feel the Rick Carlisle point that
you made is very well put. They're not perfect. Yeah,
there are gaps defensively, but man, they make it work.
They make it work together.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
No, no, they do. And again, the thing about hall
Burton is that he can take over. He's got the
clutch gene and you know he's fearless. But when you
see him in a sawmer earlier this year. It's just
unique man, Like, he makes the right plays and you
gotta think he's a good six five six six, so
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you know he can see over the point guard's head.
He sets a unique player. Man. It's a little unorthodox.
He caught it like, he does it his way and
it ain't the flashiest, but he dude, he makes all
the plays. And if you didn't know, now you know
he can also make all the shots.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Yeah, and that was a two point game, and you
talk about making all the shots. What is interesting is
you saw what he did against Milwaukee in closing them
out in Game five. What he did was took the
ball to the basket, got to the basket, made a
shot with one second left, got past Giannis, and sent
the Bucks home. In Game two against Cleveland, what does
he do in a two point game? Steps back, hits
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the three and you're thinking, okay, well, now, if you're
the Knicks in a two point game at the end
of regulation, Halliburton has shown in the previous two rounds
he has hit game winners either at the basket or
twenty five feet away. So what do you do, right?
And at one point, I don't even know if Halliburton
know what he was doing because when he ran into
the lane and then saw Mitchell Robinson there and decides, okay,
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well I'll turn it back, looks at the other clock
and realize is he only has two seconds, but he's
still had the wherewithal to take the shot outside. I
don't think anybody realized. It's funny, like if a guy
hits a game winner, you're like, well, the next time,
we're gonna make sure that he doesn't do that again.
But with Halliburton you can't because he's hit game winners
at the basket or from three point range so far
in these playoffs. And I think that made Game one tricky. No,
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it's it's a bit of a bit of an enigma.
Feels like an understatement. But yeah, he's they've done it all.
And I also say this, the stats that I that
I that I mentioned Ryan, I think those stats are
inflated in a way. And I the reason I say that,
and I brought this up yesterday on the network. If
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that's the Golden State Warriors down fourteen with two forty
five left, what does Steve Kerr do. Steph come on
out and sit, Jimmy Butler come on out and sit.
You know what, We're gonna wave the towel. No point
in trying to make this comeback. Will just take this
loss and move on. I'm not saying every one of
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the nine hundred and ninety four wins that happened in
those situations were because the losing team wave the white flag.
But what I am saying is the Pacers don't have
that makeup. They have a bunch of young guys who
you're not saving for any minutes, doesn't matter what the
schedule is. I think that there are teams that would
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have just said, all right, we're just gonna move on
to Game two. This one is a rap. We'll go
and try to steal Game two. But they don't have
that mentality. And I think it's because of the makeup
of the team. And I also think it's because of
what they did against the Bucks and then what they
did against the Cavaliers. And now, when you're an official,
we talk about ball handling in the NBA. Apparently it's
now atrocious because the Pacers are exposing everybody in doing so.
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But it is such a unique situation. But I think
part of the reason is you would see NBA teams
just wave the white flag and quit in those situations
in an irregular season game, Ryan, you and I both
know that is what's happening. It could be nine points
with a minute to go and teams like, all right,
we're done. You know, we got a back to back.
We got another one tomorrow night. And I feel that
those situations are coming out here in the playoffs and
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being magnified by what the Pacers have done.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Now, in fairness with Steve Kerr, what they ended up
doing is, you know, he called it around the fourth quarter,
but he knew he was in a position and he
was very correct where he knew that. You know, if
Curry wasn't you know, he only had so many miles
on Steph Curry, and Steph Curry probably if you did
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the numbers, you know that in that first round ran
more than probably any easily any player in the first
round of the playoffs, you know, because he gets the ball,
he brings it up, then he gets off the ball,
just sprints and moves. So Kerr had to rest it,
sit his guys in moments, especially against Houston, because he
knew they wouldn't last.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
They're my most extreme example, but they wouldn't be the
only example. If you're running a bench with you know,
if you're playing only guys and guys are logging forty minutes.
You think the Lakers are trying to come back from
that deficit, you know, no way. And I don't know
I'm talking of bringing older players into this Lebron, but
it's there's I just don't think a lot of teams
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would look at that deficit and be like, Okay, this
is something that we can actually have a shot at.
And now the Pacers have done it in basically three
straight series, and I feel it's one of the reasons
because they don't have to rest guys, they don't have
to sit them out, or they don't have to think
of the long game for it. They can do it
and be fine. But we'll see if it happens tonight.
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You say first and fourth are big. I say those
triple zeros for the next are going to be big.
That they have more points on the board. I'll tell
them this sticks. No, the sticks with them throughout the
entire playoffs. You cannot rest up. There is at no
point will you feel safe. You may I'll tell you
what you may be taking the ball out of bounds
a little bit slower if you're up under three minutes,
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because the clock's gonna tick a little bit more. There
are those sort of things. You may not be so
fast bound it. If the Pacers aren't aren't showing pressure,
everything's gonna play in. It's gonna have lasting effects. I
don't think that the series is over by any means.
I think the Knicks can win a game in Indianapolis.
I think they can absolutely win again. They can maybe
win two games at Indianapolis. But I just think that
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it's going to be in their head that they have
to even up fifteen. You're gonna be reminded about what
happened on once tonight.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
And it's scary. You did make a good point. There
are points where you see the game and you're like, yeah,
the Pacers aren't that good. Okay, they're down fourteen, they're
down twenty, and then like they turn it on. They're
just they they're the type of team that's just never
out the game because they wear you out. And I've
seen it, man, and you look back, my Rockets got
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beat you know a couple times like that. I think
the year before they came back at one and you know,
kind of get hot. But when they move the basketball,
they are so hard to guard. And when that group
hit shots and in the game Et Smith ends up
getting hot and he hit shots. They I mean I'm
talking about they just get red hot, man, flaming red hot.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
He's Ryan Hollins, the NBA Veed. Get him at the
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Fox as we are in for Doug Gottlieb on The
Doug Gottlieb Show on this Friday. Coming up next, Zach
Harper joins us to talk about these NBA playoffs and
what could go down tonight in New York and what
needs to go down in Minnesota and so much more.
He is Ryan Hollins. I'm Dan Byer. That's next here
(17:27):
on Fox Sports Radio. Thanks for listening to The Doug
Gottlieb Show podcast.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
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Speaker 2 (17:45):
You've heard him here on Fox Sports Radio, hosting shows
also on Siria SX and I'm mad Dog Radio, but
his main gig covering the NBA for the Athletic Zach
Harper joins us on this Friday. He's Ryan Hollins. I'm
Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 3 (17:58):
Zach.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
How are you.
Speaker 5 (18:00):
What's up, fellas? I'm doing well.
Speaker 2 (18:01):
I know you're just down the street from us, but
it's good to catch you up and reflect on these
two playoff series going on. Right now, let's go back
to Wednesday. There's Ryan and I were just talking about
it as well. How much of a hangover do you
think the Knicks still have from what went down at
the Garden in Game one?
Speaker 4 (18:18):
Nah, It's so weird to think about because it's a
collapse in which they kind of played well, like they
scored on seven of their last ten possessions in regulation,
So it's not like they were throwing the ball away
and couldn't hit shot like they' scoring seven last ten possessions.
The problem is they just give up a three every
time down the floor, like, so it's not like it's
a collapse, but it's not a total collapse, but it
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kind of is. At the same time, I feel like
you can just let that go because they mostly played well.
Speaker 5 (18:44):
In that game.
Speaker 4 (18:45):
And I got to feel like, if you're Tom Sibodeau,
you can focus those guys because it's a bunch of
veterans and you know they do have you know, Jim
Brunson is the most clutch player in the league this
year and everything, Like, I feel like.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
You can focus those guys.
Speaker 4 (18:57):
But I think the problem is is that if it's
a close game tonight or they've got, you know, a
ten point lead with a few minutes left, and Indiana
starts getting any kind of momentum, I do think you
have to worry like that starts seeping back into their
minds of like, oh, now here we go again, because
I think you saw that with the Cleveland series, and
I think I think the Knicks are tougher mentally than
what we've seen from Cleveland in the last couple of playoffs.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
But but man.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
That's got to be something that's going to be in
their back of the head all season or all series long.
Speaker 6 (19:23):
I should say, is it fair of us to say
that SGA is better than Anthony Edwards or is it
just that SGA has the better team.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Well, I think it's probably both.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
But also, I mean, he's he's three years three, three
a half years old or something like, like he should be better, right,
Like Aunt's still twenty three, He's still pretty young. SGA's
been doing this a while, He's been working on his
craft a lot longer. But but I do think he's better.
I do think he's a he's a He's just he
knows how to attack a little bit better. You still
see Aunt, you know, a little hesitant with some of
the defensive looks, whereas Shay he seems to be very
(19:59):
comfortable with whatever or you know, whatever they're throwing up
doesn't matter. The defender doesn't matter, like kind of the covers,
the zone, the junk defenses, the doubles. Sha seems very
comfortable in the series, where Ant, And maybe some of
that is is the ankle injuries, because An's turned his ankle,
like it seems like every every fourth quarter, you know,
every three or four quarters, like Ants turned his ankle
in these postseasons. But you know, maybe that's part.
Speaker 5 (20:20):
Of the hesitancy.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
But Ant just seems a little hesitant. It was better
last night he was driving to the basket, But it
doesn't quite look like what we're used to with ant
in his aggressiveness just all over the floor, but also
like he does just have a better team, Like that
team's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
It's it is interesting and it's crazy because I Zach
Zach Carper joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. He's
Ryan Hollins. I'm Dan Byer in for Doug Gottlieb. Not
going down the thunder road because it's one of those
things when you think about time, like it just blows
your mind and it's too freaky, like to think of
the thunder wind now and everything that they could have
ahead of them. I don't even want to think about
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in the NBA. So we're just gonna leave that off
to the side. But I look at Minnesota and you
talk about it. Anthony Edwards and Ryan and I were
talking earlier, and my whole point was we talked about
this face of the league stuff, and I feel that
Anthony Edwards's name has been brought up in the conversation,
and I don't know if SGA's has, And I feel
that Edwards thinks in the back of his head that hey,
I'm the real guy here, I'm the talent. All of
this this flopping stuff all of this manipulating stuff. I'm
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the real baller here. I think it's getting under their skin.
But what I wonder now, and just in what you
said there, what do we look at with Anthony Edwards
if they do bow out, if they end up getting
ousted in five games by Oklahoma City second straight year,
that would happen, Like what does he need to do?
What do they need to do to change the series
and maybe change the organization if they're going to bow
(21:41):
out again at.
Speaker 4 (21:42):
This point, I don't think they I mean, I don't
know that they need to change the organization two months
if you like you think about it, like this Timberwals
team never franchised, Like it doesn't have a lot of
success historically, right, and back to back conference finals is crazy?
Like I never said, I grew up, you know, rooting
for the Temples and everything. And I've kind of gotten
that out as i've as i've you know, become a
(22:04):
media member, because I don't think you should really really.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
Root for this stuff.
Speaker 4 (22:07):
But but I like, I grew up watching and I
spent a lot of mays, a lot of amazing dreams,
like not watching basketball. It's my favorite team.
Speaker 5 (22:16):
Get this is pretty rare, and so.
Speaker 4 (22:19):
You know, this is this is something where they like
he's he's changed the temperles completely, like this is not normal.
But at the same time, if this is the ceiling
of this unit, you know, I think some of that
is he will grow. This isn't the best player he's
gonna be. He is only twenty three, as I said,
and he's gonna get better. Some of that is going
(22:39):
to be leaderships. Some of that is gonna be his game.
Some of that's gonna be understanding. Some of that's gonna
be They're gonna have to adjust the roster. And you know,
I think they have a really good team. I think
they have a really good approach. I also think, you know,
I think the game two they were gonna lose that
no matter. I think they were outclass in game two.
I think they should have won Game one. I know
the final score doesn't reflect that, but you know, the
(23:01):
first half, they missed a lot of wide open three
pointers that their guys normally make, like Nasriy Nikkel, Alexander Walker,
Mike Conley, Dante DiVincenzo. They missed a ton of wide
open threes that they're all forty percent shooters. On wide
open threes, like you expect them to make those shots.
I think if they make those, especially in the first half,
instead of it being a four point lead going into halftime,
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it's like fifteen eighteen twenty, And I think that matters.
Speaker 5 (23:27):
Now.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Oklahoma City's still going to make their run. They're a
great team, They're a great third quarter team, but that
cushion it changes things, and I think they could have
withstood it more. You know, it was a ten point
game with five minutes to go in the game. I
think they should have won Game one. I think they
should have, you know, played better and knocked those shots down.
Speaker 5 (23:44):
Game two, I think they were.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Gonna get smoked regardless because I think okay See was
just better in that game. But I do think it's
a it's weird. I think it's a little closer than
people believe it is. And at the same time, it
feels daunting for Minnesota.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
Did our perception of Tyrese Haliburton change right now?
Speaker 4 (24:06):
I mean, he like, man, this guy brings it right one.
Can we please stop the overrated thing? We got to stop.
Like I worked for the athletic, right, I worked for
the athletic. I'm like I didn't look, I didn't do
any work in this anonymous player's pole. But if you
think about it, there were ninety players that voted in
that thing. In that in that question of the anonymous
player poles for the for the overrated question, just that
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question alone, if he got fourteen percent of vote, it's
thirteen players. It's just thirteen.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Players in the We got to stop doing that.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
I know they're using his motivation, but we gotta we
gotta stop this overrated thing.
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Like it's just math at this point.
Speaker 4 (24:42):
But Tyreese is man, he's incredible, Like, this guy is
such a leader. He's like, I mean, you look at
his his play since since January first. I want to
say he had like a like a six and a
half to one turnover assistant turnover ratio something ridiculous like that.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
He's basically you know, you.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
You trust him through long stretches of the season to
be a fifty forty ninety guy. I mean, he's just
he's just such an incredible clutch player. You like you
know that that he's he's unfazed by those big shots.
I mean, he's done this a lot, and he runs
that team the way Rick Carlisle wants him to, and
they get into you know, they're down ten points, fifteen
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points in the fourth quarter, and instead of going like
I don't know, guys, maybe next time, like he's like,
all right, let's go, let's let's let's push the pace,
let's get this thing going, let's put pressure on them,
let's get into the into the paint. It's nothing just
jacking up a bunch of threes like they played basketball,
Like they get into the paint and force the defense
to do things. That's all him. That's all him, you know,
having this team geared around him like he's.
Speaker 5 (25:43):
He's one of the best point guards in the league.
Speaker 4 (25:44):
And maybe people hate him, but you have to hate
him because he's kicking your team's butt.
Speaker 2 (25:48):
Yeah. I think there's a lot too that. Jack Harper
joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Find him at
Talk Hoops. The poll is the poll, Like I got
into it with somebody on X because it's part of
the conversation. And I think you're right, Zach that it
ends up. I think it's a bit may be the
best thing that happened to Tyre's Halliburton or the places,
you know, for for how it's been. But there apparently
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is a group of people that feel that he was overrated,
And and Ryan and I were just talking about it.
I said, the amazing thing about what Haliburton has done
in these playoffs and I'll get to my question in
a second. Is he beats the box on a shot
at the hoop and he and he knocks out the
Calves in game two with a twenty five footer. So
now if you're the Knicks in game one, you have
no idea where he's going to go in a two
point game because he's done both in the last the
(26:31):
last couple of weeks. My whole question is with Halliburton,
is it the team? UIs? Say stuff? Because we saw
on how much it played with Jason Tatum and the
conversations we had. I remember the Sabonis Halliburton trade and
at the time and I'm thinking, wow, Indiana's got a
player not And there was no disrespect to sibonus. He's
(26:53):
had a great career so far in Sacramento. But but
isn't that sort of thing that kind of lends you
to think he's overrated as because he's not twenty five
a game. Why would that sort of label come to
Tyres Halliburton considering what he has accomplished.
Speaker 4 (27:08):
Yeah, well, I think also like players, I don't know
that players don't like him. I do know that there
is there does seem to be a perception with some
players where it's the whole thing of like if they
feel he's front running in the sense of, oh, you
start talking trash when you're up right, Sure, Ryan knows
it's like that.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Players don't like that, right, you better talk trash when
you're behind.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I jump shot honestly exactly, I thought, because it's so orthodox.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Look, the jumpers weird, but but it's gold right, Like, yeah,
so you he can kick it up there for all
that care. The way it goes in like it's it's
pretty good. But to your point about the way he scores,
I mean, it's not just that that bucket at the
end to take the bucks set, like he scored that
on Yannis. He saw Jannis and problems like this is
a layout, like I'm taking you to the rack and
I'm ending your season, and like he's fearless. And I
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think that plus the trash talk, plus the weird looking game,
plus the control he has, and I still think people
underestimate this pacer team. I think a lot of people
still think that they beat the Calves because of injuries.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
I don't. I think they were better.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Well, let me let me ask you something about Anthony Edwards.
Do you think he can change his play style or
does he need to or is it more of, hey,
let's get pieces that fit around him.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
I do think he can. I do think he can.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
Like I think he's still learning decision making, you know,
especially like with different coverages. Like you know, he he
changed his play style from last year to this year
in that he wasn't a very good three point shooter, right,
he was maybe at best league average, and then he
was a pretty special three point shooter this season, and
that was you know, it's more than just a summer
of work. He's been working on this for a while,
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but you really saw you really saw him, you know,
see the results this season being basically a forty three
point shooter and leading the league in three pointers made.
So I do think he can add to his game,
but I think that's mostly going to be we know
he can get to the rack, we know he can
shoot threes.
Speaker 5 (29:05):
I think some of that's going to be.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Finding ways to draw more fouls, whether that's going to
be you know, kind of the foul merchant stuff that
the Internet hates, or it's going to be you know,
finding more contact at the rim, whatever that is. I
do think he needs some of that in his game,
and I think it's just decision making him playmaking. He's
a good playmaker. He could be a great playmaker, and
that will lend itself to making the job easier because
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we do see a tendency of him just kind of
dribbling around and.
Speaker 5 (29:32):
He's great at it, and he's good at just.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
Scoring one on one, one on five at times, but
he does have to he's got to involve his teammates
a little bit more.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Okay, we're going to end on this with Zach Carper
joining us on the Doug Gottlib Show on Fox Sports Radio.
He's Ryan Hollins, the NBA Vet. I'm Dan Beyer. This
is going way ahead. I don't think the Timberwolves are
out of it. I think it's quite an uphill climb,
but I'm not willing to cut him out of it.
But could this be the start of a long run
for Oklahoma City? And I'm talking and you know, title
title title, Considering the ammunition that they have or is
(30:05):
it a different NBA. I mean, where do you think
this If Oka se Can gets it done, gets it done,
is it the start of a long run for them?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
I don't think it is just because one these things
tend to be shorter than we think. We thought that,
you know, the Heat, We're going to be this thing
for ten years. It was four. You know, the Warriors
ruined basketball with Kevin Durant, that was three years. You know,
Denver was had all of a sudden solved the league.
That was a year, and now you know they're firing
coaches three games before the end of the season. I
(30:36):
think the league is made for parody. I personally hate it.
I hate parody. I think we should have dynasties that
get built up and they get torn down. So I
would love it if, you know, the Thunder or whoever
becomes a dynasty. But I also I think the league
really messed up with this second aprin and the penalties
they have. I don't think it should go towards teams
that are players that you draft. I think teams like
(30:57):
the Thunder, teams like the Rockets, teams like all the
team the teams like the Pistons seems that have built
with the draft and done the proper things of evaluating
talent and bringing it in. I don't think that should
count towards the second apron all this stuff. I think
you should be rewarded for being smart rather than penalized
because you did a good job. And so I think
that will eventually affect the thunder and keep them from it.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
But I don't know.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Maybe we finally get a back to back champion. If
that happens, that would be great because I again I
hate parody.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
And we'll see if this conversation continues into the summer.
Still a lot of hoops to be played, Zach, we
appreciate it. Enjoyed tonight's game exact and all day weekend.
Thanks man.
Speaker 5 (31:31):
Appreciate you, guys.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
Zach Harper at Talk Hoops covering the NBA for the
Athletic He is Ryan Hollins. I'm Dan byersonting in for
Doug Gottlieb here on Fox Sports Radio. Monty Belanios is
going to join us next for the press and posing
this question, did Michael alone mean to shade Nicola Jokic
and the MVP. We'll talk about it next year. On
Fox Sports Radio. Thanks for listening to The Doug Gottlieb
(31:54):
Show podcast.
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Speaker 2 (32:09):
Doug Gottlieb Show at Fox Sports Radio. I'm Dan Byer.
He's Ryan Hollins, the NBA VET sitting in for Doug.
Thanks to Zach Harper and Doug Gottlieb for joining us
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(32:30):
Ryan Hollins. You can find me at Dan Byer on Fox.
You can also catch me on Blue Sky at Dan Byer.
Are you on Blue Sky yet, Ryan Hollins, I'm not.
What is it? It's just a different it's just a
different social media page. Chris perfet Or Technical Producer loves
loves It. I don't think Mancy Belanios has gotten there yet.
(32:50):
Ryan Berschinger, I think bursch you're on Blue Sky, aren't you.
I do.
Speaker 4 (32:55):
I haven't looked at it in maybe a month or two.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Well, we'll work on Monsey and we'll try to get
your usage up. But you can follow me on Blue
Sky at Dan Bayer. Speaking of Mancy, she's here with
the press. Now we're gonna get some sort of no
thank you or I'm good from Mancy. She laughs. Every
time I promote my Blue Sky page. Ryan Hollins, h I.
Speaker 7 (33:21):
Do, Ryan, I do. I I just but you know what,
I have no reason to laugh. You always get like
a follower or two every time, so at least you're
you know, you're.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Get true, that's true if it's b E y e
R for those that are that are curious exactly.
Speaker 7 (33:38):
So I hope you get another one in the next
hour or so.
Speaker 8 (33:42):
Dan, Okay, all right, guys.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
We're gonna start. Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:44):
In the n b A s G A, Shay Giljes
Alexander was handed as MVP trophy ahead of Game two
between the Thunder and the Tea Wolves. Now, Michael Malone
was there, who we all know was fired by the
Denver Nuggets, and he wanted to set the record straight
on Nicola Jokic and.
Speaker 3 (34:02):
I did vote for him again this year if I
had a vote.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
I want to make sure that people in.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
Denver know that, because right now I'm getting a.
Speaker 7 (34:08):
Lot of heat back on getting a lot of heat
back home. But he says he would have voted for
Nicola Jokic if he had a vote.
Speaker 2 (34:17):
The whole deal is, I don't think Michael Malone needs
to apologize or say anything. You know what to think happened,
Ryan Hollins, He fell into the media trap. It's funny
because when you're an active player that people will always says,
just the media, this is all the media stuff. And
then when former players transition to the media, I'm not
saying you, but they will fall into certain media things.
(34:39):
And I think Michael Malone did. And just saying that
SGA was the MVP forgetting everything that had gone on previously.
He was making that as a media member comment, not
as a former head coach at the Denver Nuggets comment.
And he realized it real quick. You know what.
Speaker 3 (35:01):
Should I don't even know if I should say this
right now?
Speaker 2 (35:03):
Maybe we should hear you really?
Speaker 3 (35:06):
Okay, come on, Ryan, this is my opinion. I don't
know anything. This is not from any information or anything
at all. But if Nicolo jokicch one of the greatest
players that we have ever seen play the game, arguably
the greatest center that we've ever seen play the game,
arguably guys. No disrespect to Kareem a game shack whoever,
(35:27):
but you can argue with the numbers right one in
Mike Malone as his head coach, I believe he'd still
be the head coach and just leave it at.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
That, all right, that's Jue. Oh well, he's gonna leave
it at that. I will not. I feel that Michael
Malone has such at such an interesting rooting effort, and
for I don't. I there's there's no way that I
feel that I could cheer for the Nuggets like for me,
I would just I would want them to lose. I
(35:55):
would want them to lose in the first round. In
but out that's just me. I mean, as I've always said, Ryan,
when I am out and somebody fills in for me,
and I asked what it's like, and Ryan Bercheyger can
attest to this. All I want to hear when I
come back is God, it was awful, Thank goodness, you're back.
And so that's what I think Michael Malone is in
(36:17):
all of this.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
So if you, hey, hey, you know that Tom Brady mean,
all I can think of is that when they lost
that game seven, like Mike Malone doest I got, I
got another one? And then and then Chris Paul happens
to be at the game, Scott Foster gets an elbow
(36:39):
to the gut and a shot, and I'm sure Chris
Paul does around Chris tom Brady mean to Leopards in
with them? Oh sorry, Scott? Are you okay? Look back?
Speaker 7 (36:51):
So good poetic justice? If that's not that, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (36:54):
That was so good? All right, guys.
Speaker 7 (36:56):
So, Rich Paul of Clutch Sports recently appeared on The
Rich Eisen Show and this is what he had to
say about Lebron James and his future.
Speaker 8 (37:04):
I think they've been on pins and needles for a while.
I think I don't know about that, though I wish
I had the answer, Rich, I do.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
So you don't have conversations with him about how much
longer he wanted to Okay, it's.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
No, I don't have I don't have conversations like that.
I just I go into each year like he's continued
to play. I never even like talk about that.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Sure, Rich, sure, definitely not a part of the plan.
This is just all over in the air, isn't it.
Speaker 7 (37:30):
Yeah, it's just that. How do you not talk to
him about the future?
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Come on, in five seconds? You want to leave it
at that, Ryan Hollins, are you good with Rich Paul?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Of course Rich knows, I know Rich, and Rich is
just not gonna spill the beans. There's an idea. Yeah,
and as much as Lebron, Lebron probably doesn't know how
long Lebron unfortunately may have to be injured before he quits.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
That's the press, Yes it is, Thanks Moncey, he's Ryan Hollins,
I'm Dan Byer. That's the godlip Old Fox Sports Radio.
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