December 26, 2024 • 37 mins
Dan and Monse in for Doug as them and the crew revisit 2020 in "Don't Call It A Throwback, Thursday". Dan and Monse talks about the state of the NFL MVP race. Plus, Isaac Lowenkron takes the two through "The Press".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Cook Rolling along on a Thursday. It is a Thursday.
I know the days can be mixed up with a holiday,
but here we are on a Thursday. There's Thursday Night football.
My Seahawks holding on by a dear thread when it
comes to the playoffs. Not only like there's like if
the Rams win this weekend, it's really gonna be tough
for Seattle even if they win tonight to try to
(00:38):
break through. But they there is still hope, Manzi, there
is still hope even with a matchup with the Rams
coming up in week eighteen.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
It's Thursday. You just took me back to Joey and Friends.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
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Be MONSI a huge Friends fan.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
I really am. And it's like I don't even try.
It just like pops into my head.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And I know there's people who despise it, but I
don't care about those people. We want to be positive
and we want to have a loving sort of nature.
You want to know, Well, first of all, I'll just
say this about Friends. Ross is my favorite character. He's
super funny, and people are polarizing. They like, can't stand Ross,
but I love Red Ross. I love the Ross Ross
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wears the leather pants.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Oh so good.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
When he can't get the tanning thing corrects.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
His teeth, Yes, teeth is so good.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
All of it's like, all of it's all of it
is great. But my favorite Joey moment is when he
is bidding at the auction for the for the boat
and he thinks it's he's guessing the price and not
actually putting in the bid. Oh, I don't know. I
just think it's so funny.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
What.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I just think it's hilarious and that he just.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Bought a both see you bring that up, and I
think Phoebe walking it up with all the drinks, and
she's like, Phoebe, how many.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
Drinks do you have?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
The more I drink, the less there is for the
kids to drink.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
All for charity.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
It's all for charity. It is all for charity.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Sit a great show, and it is a Thursday, and
things don't change on The Doug Gottlieb Show. Even though
Doug Gottlieb is not here. Our segment that we do
every week at four o'clock Eastern one o'clock Pacific on
a Thursday is here. Let's throw us back.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
You don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Jason Stewart is our executive producer. It's all yours, Jason.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Dan.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
I'll take it from here. We're gonna throw it all
the way back to twenty twenty. I think everybody here
was alive. Twenty twenty was a weird year. Now this weekend,
I think the Lions and Vikings are playing, and I
wanted to go back to a very pivotal game on
the last day of the year. The Lions and Vikings.
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Neither team were going to make the playoffs. In fact,
the Lions had just let go of Matt Patricia and
a guy named Darryl Bevill.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Bevell Darryl Belt, head coach, former Seahawks offensive coordinator, quarterback
of the Wisconsin Rose Bowl team in the mid nineties.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
I love it. That's why we have Dan Bayer to
fill in the blanks and then the the Vikings. On
the other hand, Mike Zimmer was our head coach and
they finished under five hundred, So it was a thirty
seven to thirty five game. Wow, what a humdinger. Kirk
Cousins threw for four hundred and five yards. Matthew Stafford
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as a Lion through for two hundred ninety three yards.
But it was a humdinger. And it takes me back
to a twenty twenty year that was crazy and not
for all great reasons. Aaron Rodgers ended up winning the
MVP that year. Tom Brady leads the Bucks through a
season of no attendance, leads a brand new Bucks team
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to a Super Bowl championship. But I really don't think
he gets enough credit for that. He leaves the Patriots,
he goes to the Bucks, wins a Super Bowl that
next year. I think as more time goes We're gonna
appreciate that more and more.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I think he gets too much credit for you.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
No, Dan, come on, let's not debate this segment. We're
just listing great things that happen in twenty twenty. We'll
shove the debate about Tom Brady for next segment. Dan,
What else do you remember from that twenty twenty year?
Pretty wacky, right.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It was a very wacky year. I think that was
also the time when Aaron Rodgers was telling teams and
players that he could be acquired and traded for no
fans in the stands. For the NFL portion of it
was great, but it was also a Cam Newton New
England Patriots scenario, and you had a Seahawks Patriots game.
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I remember in Week two where Cam Newton and the
Patriots almost went to Seattle in front of zero fans
and almost knocked off the twelfth Man. But there felt
like a little bit of a resurgence early on in
that year for Cam Newton as the Patriots quarterback. And
I remember that from the COVID twenty twenty season.
Speaker 7 (05:15):
So the twelfth Man was actually literal, that was the
twelfth Man, the one person in the story person.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yes, it was a Week two matchup as well, and
I think the Seahawks got a goal line stop at
the end of the game and ended up the Patriots.
It was thirty five to thirty. Yep, that's what it was.
Cam Newton threw for three hundred and ninety seven yards
that game.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
MANCI what sticks out from twenty twenty to you remember
spot twice?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, there's a couple of things that stand out.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
One of them is Devin Booker's turn around, fade away
game winner against the Clippers in the Bubble. Oh, was
so heart wrenching, and it was just funny because I
was telling Dan I don't remember. I was with maybe
my brothers and we were just watching the game, and
I was like saying that Devin Booger wasn't that great,
and that Donovan Mitchell is better.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
And then all of.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
A sudden, he hits that turnaway shot and I was like, well,
I guess he's proven me wrong real quick.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It's like he heard me. The other thing that I remember.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Is I was working up the Dodgers and I think
it was like March seventeenth. Literally everything started shutting down,
like we were in the middle of tours, and I
get a call and they're like, wrap it up, wrap
it up, get the tours out. We're not doing this.
We gotta we have to stop. And everybody was like what.
And I will say this now because it's been four years,
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but like the Dodgers were doing renovations in the outfield,
which is now the big main entrance in center field.
Those renovations were being done for the All Star Game
that was gonna happen at Dodger Stadium. Let me tell
you who benefited from the pandemic Dodger Stadium, because that
was not going to be ready by the time the
season started, not at all. We were there and we
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were like, this is not gonna be ready. I don't
under understand how they're moving so slow. And then thanks
to shutting down for months, they were able to finish.
Nobody ever saw anything. But those are the two.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Big things I think about immediately twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
If there was a pile of dirt, they should have
just left it there and grew grass on it, because
I loved it when the Astros did that. Just just
have a hill in center field. It's not true to baseball.
It's not safe. Well, who cares if he hit one?
Four twenty to dead center make it difficult for the outfielder. Yeah,
and let's put a flag pole there as well. Yeah,
I'm totally totally game for that. March eleventh, twenty twenty,
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was when Rudy Gobert tested positive for COVID and then
the next day everything started to shut down.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
When did he touch the microphones?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
That was? That was a couple of days prior. Yes,
that was.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
He starts touching everyone's mics and you're just like, oh boy,
oh boy.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
He was just destroyed for that, like in the time
at the time by coaches and players and whatnot, everyone
in the media because you guys, I was not in
a sports radio at the time, but you guys had
not run out of things to talk about because sports
shutting down is a big topic. But like Rudy Gobert
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doing that as everything is shutting down just made him
a massive punching bag for everybody's frustration.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Completely, And I look back at people like, how did
we make it through? Like that's all the discussion was,
is when you should compete when you shouldn't compete? Is
this fair? Is this fair for the NBA or the
Lakers getting an advantage.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Everybody was having an advantage.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, well taking time off, right, Yeah, I benefited some
more than some more than others.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Definitely.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, like your Lakers needed it, Yes, they needed it.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
They did. They did.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Whether it than allowed us to now look at that
season of championships and wonder if there was an asterisk
by that or not.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
I don't. I know, we're talking about something else. I
just don't see how there isn't. And it's not that
it's like somebody was going to win you want it,
We're not. But if you were to say one line
for every championship in the last two years, the line
there would be like, ah, that was the year of
the pandemic shortened season.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Like how do you not? So, of course it's a
little starn Nex. Somebody had to win it.
Speaker 7 (09:08):
I'm in that group too, And I kind of think
the same way about the Dodgers. And I know Isaac's
got a lot to say about twenty twenty here, but
the Dodgers winning that championship in twenty twenty was like,
to me, was just kind of a tournament win on
a neutral site. They caught lightning in a bottle. They
had a great team. Corey seger wet us. But I've
never quite considered that a championship. But I will say
that Andrew Friedman and the Dodgers winning this past season
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almost confirmed twenty twenty as a championship. Because alone it
didn't mean anything, but if you pair it with one
within five years, for some reason, it makes more sense. Isaac,
what do you got for twenty twenty? How about the
college basketball season? That was no That was.
Speaker 8 (09:50):
The fake crowd noise that we heard while watching all
sporting events in twenty twenty, especially when the NFL got
back the fake crowd noise they got piped in.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I you mentioned that. I think of the stupid videos
that you would have fans at home in the bubble YEA. Well,
it would be the enormous zoom meeting behind the benches.
Like how dumb was that?
Speaker 8 (10:17):
Like fat heads?
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Oh yes, the was live and they used like cutouts
like you could send in your pictures, you could pay
and pay, Yeah, which was funny. That was funny. The
screens were ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
Well, so you guys are talking about like when they
would go to like some kind of a zoom call
with all the fans.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, at home in your Lakers gear.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
Out of like eight screens, like three of them would
be slow and if the internet wasn't work it so
it would be like a slow functioning person.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, I was like, I would not want to do that.
I would rather be at home and not worried about
a camera on me. Like that was weird.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
The cutouts I thought were cool, the cutouts, you know,
for the moment and what we were doing. The cutouts
were cool, But the zoom, the zoom was crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
In the year of Golf in twenty twenty, the Open Championship,
the RNA just decided to not have to not hold it.
They canceled it. US Open, PGA Championship and Masters were
all held. The PGA Championship was actually the first one
to be held in August colin Marrikawa when that at
TBC Harding Park. Then you had Bryson and Shamble breaking
through at Winged Foot in twenty twenty, again in front
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of no fans. But it was the weirdest to have
augusta National in November host of Masters, because you're also
fighting with daylight at that time, different time of the year.
But CBS, I believe made accommodations so their NFL window
was changed to go to Fox so they could have
the final round of the Masters air and then their
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late window of games would take place that day. But
the Masters taking place in November was it was just
super weird. You had Dustin Johnson.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Dustin Johnson. I remember Dustin Johnson when he was interviewed
afterwards for whatever reason, the interviewer said, what's your favorite
song right now? Like, what do you what do you like?
What are you hitting balls to? And he brought this up,
which was a real non sequitor. The Weekend top the
(12:25):
Billboard charts.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
What is this?
Speaker 7 (12:26):
The Blinding Lights? It might still be the most downloaded
song in the history of streaming. Really, I want to
say that. Maybe I'm guessing it was a fact check
me on that Mary Mack?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
What's that? Mary Mack?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
It was a great song. Yeah, truly is.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Is how do you feel about the Weekend? I really
like the Weekend? I can't I can't say that I
love the Weekend because they don't have all the albums.
But I had a bunch of like free weekend albums
before he became like the Weekend.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
So you listen to he was like on song when
he was like Friday Thursday.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
He had a sound. He had a song called Montreal
that was very good, and uh yeah, I really liked it.
I was really down with him.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
This is like the most mind blowing thing ever.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Well, you don't get to know me, Mary Mack. You
just your service level with me.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
So that's all. Oh, Dan's music tastes will continue to
surprise you. Yeah, just talked to Dan about his music
taste is amazing.
Speaker 9 (13:23):
I was like, yeah, wow, came out this year too.
That year New York Drill became really big.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I was a Jew.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
I was still in high school during twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Oh here we go, Mary Mack. Yeah, so Fary, I'm
young Mac.
Speaker 9 (13:37):
At the beginning of twenty twenty, I was a junior,
and the end of twenty twenty I was going into
my senior year.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
At least you weren't a senior.
Speaker 9 (13:45):
Wait what Yeah, so the beginning of twenty twenty, I
was a junior year.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
At the end of my.
Speaker 9 (13:50):
Junior year is when the pandemic and the pandemic hit
and I remember Zoom and then I was we had
like you could just go to school like at home, right.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
I used to fall asleep during the Zoom classes.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I don't blame a.
Speaker 7 (14:02):
Lot of people did. I think a lot of students did.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
At least at least you were't a senior. At least
you were able to have your senior year.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Towards the end. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (14:10):
Yeah, but we didn't have like homecoming. We couldn't do
any games or anything. It was terrible.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Do you guys remember what the NHL did?
Speaker 7 (14:20):
Not one bit nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
They just continued the same way.
Speaker 8 (14:25):
They had bubbles in Edmonton and Toronto.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Is what I yes, that is the case.
Speaker 8 (14:30):
Wow, they built a giant frozen tunnel between Edmonton and Toronto.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
That was the real impressive feet was that before or
after Harry and Meghan said they're leaving the royal family
Because that happened in twenty twenty. I'm not sure if
the pandemic had started or not, but they're always out
of touch, so I'm guessing it had started and they
figured they would announce that.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
I think it was in the middle of the pandemic game.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
I think so too. They're pretty much out of touch.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I can also tell you this that the Super Bowl
that was played in twenty twenty. Again, this is always
a different conversation that we have here but the one
that took place in February was the Niners and the
Chiefs in Miami, and Shakira just totally overshadowed. Jennifer Lawrence.
Jennifer Yeah, Jennifer Lopez. Sorry. Yesterday the other day I
(15:18):
said Jenni Fisher instead of Jenni Strader. Today I said
Jennifer Lawrence MANSI tonight over dinner with Lisa. He's going
to be like, I can't believe I screwed that up,
Jennifer Lawrence.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
God drink it.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
No, Shakira was amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
That was the see the way because fortunate enough to
be at the game to see the way that the
crowd reacted to Shakira, how they reacted.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
To interesting night and day, really.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Night and day. Yeah, it was actually cool. And it's
one of those moments too as well, like if you
just appreciate performance and appreciate I said. One of the
most emotional moments that I've ever that I can experience
in sports was standing at the twenty six mile of
a marathon to see all these people cheering on marathon runners.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
That they don't know, strangers, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Like because of the accomplishment that they're about to accomplish,
like all of a sudden, You're just sitting there like
why am I tearing up? Like this is like just
people cheering on people seeing how they responded to Shakira,
and people having a good time. I wasn't brought to tears,
but I was like moved. I'm like wow, like this
is this is amazing, people truly truly enjoying it. It
was crazy.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
It's funny you bring up tearing up because I was
going to bring this up. We were all flying to
the Super Bowl. I was on a plane with a
bunch of media types from wherever whatever Los Angeles media entities.
We were flying it on a Sunday night. And in
the middle of the flight, this woman behind me that
I know producer, says, Kobe just died yep, on the
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flight to the super Bowl. I'll never forget that one.
You talk about a point full of tears.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It was. We had landed, so I was on an
earlier flight, and then we drove to the airport earlier
in the day in LA and I knew it was foggy,
you know, but didn't know. But I got a text
from a buddy and then we went to TMZ because
that's where you go. And the site was down, So
you're like, they either took it down because it wasn't true.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Way they took it down because or it's true, well,
because they were they were putting they were putting stuff
out and then retracting the same and then putting it
back on.
Speaker 9 (17:19):
So they didn't have all of it, and that's why
they kept they kept going back and forth, going on
and off.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
It completely overshadowed the super Bowl week. I will tell
you that, yeah, it was. There was a completely different
feel that week because of it.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
I remember having to because I had booked the FS
one for the Monday, so the Monday before the Super
Bowl and it's just maybe a bunch of guests for NFL.
We had to go back to each guests and be like,
we're talking about Kobe. If you're not comfortable talking about Kobe,
let's rebook. It was just one of those unusual things
where the next day was all about Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
And remember the night before that, the Lakers played a
game in Philadelphia and Lebron had passed Kobe on the
all time scoring list, and Kobe weeded his congratulations late
that night to Lebron the next last week, I'm sorry
that was his last tweet. Yeah, oh I don't know that.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Interesting, Yeah, crazy, Yeah, there are a lot of tears shed.
And we're based in Los Angeles and we were in
Miami that week. So I felt like there was a
whole week of morning here that I didn't experience, you know,
for those that were here. You know, I come back
from Lax and there's an enormous crane with just like
a Kobe number eight, you know, Jersey banner or whatever
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it was.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
But yeah, yeah, right before the pandemic fully shut everything down,
I went to a Lakers Clippers game and it was
right after the you know, in March, Kobe had passed,
and I wore a Kobe shirt with the Clipper jacket
over it because it was like, I'm going but everyone
knows that Staple Center, which is what it was called,
is the house that Kobe built.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
It's true, It's true, and it was so terrible. It
was just awful for months, for months.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
We end in a high note, something great.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Happen to have about something funny. Uh, we all watched
The Tiger King when we were inside.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yes, that was pretty funny.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
It just I that that show only was successful.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Because of the pandemic.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I agree, nobody would be watching it if you had
all the other things to do.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I agree. Yes, speaking of got big and do.
Speaker 8 (19:22):
You know it was super big during that time for
us in the sports community. The documentary, The Last Dance,
that was huge.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Yes, I love, I loved.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I think the one thing that we missed was NASCAR
was like, guys driving your simulators and we're gonna make
real races out of this.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
Wait a minute, they did that.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yes, guys are driving their simulators and they had real
races that.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
That like like if I'm a David Busters racing you
in a video game, a.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Little more, a little more you know, high tech than that.
But there they didn't win to they would have, they
would have races. So yeah, NASCAR actually probably did it best.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Yeah, I mean they got creative, so give it. I
didn't know they did that. That's created.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, not the same. But okay, See twenty twenty wasn't
a complete wash.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
But I feel like I did nothing, Like why didn't
I learn?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Really? Monty told me she ran a lot during that time.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
But I could I could have learned a new language.
I could have learned how to cook. I could have
learned to do stuff and I didn't. What a waste.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I think we all feel that way in some way
shape with you, you know now looking back at back to
normal life.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Right, it's like, Oh, I said I was gonna do
that in twenty twenty. I haven't done it.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I haven't Good year to pick Chason's Stewart Goodyear that was.
Don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
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Live Doug Gotleep Show Fox Sports Radio. I'm Dan Byer
on this post Christmas show alongside Mancy Belaios as we
sit in for Doug. Jason Stewart's the execut producer, Mary
mack our technical producer, and AASA Glowing Crown is at
the news desk. He'll be with us in about eight
minutes or so to give us the happenings of what
is going on on this day after Christmas. Whether there
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was something going on yesterday at Houston and that was
the Lamar Jackson Show. Heck, it's a Baltimore Ravens Show,
winning thirty one to two. Everything went well for the
Baltimore Ravens. Nothing went right for the Houston Texans, and
it went so right for the Baltimore Ravens Monci that
we now have another. I don't know if it's controversy
date debate if you will, but the NFL's MVP award
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now maybe not as much of a runaway as we
thought it was going to be. Josh Allen entering the
weekend was minus five hundred, that's with the odds according
to bet online, entering this week of games minus five
hundred to be the MVP. Lamar Jackson was second at
plus three hundred and seventy five. Now, Lamar sets the
(21:56):
record NFL record for quarterback rushing yards, passing Michael Vick
for a season. His passer rating this year is I believe,
the second best only two season by Aaron Rodgers that
we've seen in NFL history. Lamar's numbers are off the charts,
but there was a sizeable gap entering the week according
to the Las Vegas odds. How much of that gap
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did Lamar Jackson close on Josh Allen for the MVP?
Do you have numbers I don't, but I can tell
you this that there are a lot of people that
think that Lamar Jackson is now the MVP after that
performance on Wednesday, and it's the ultimate form of recency bias.
It completely is. And if you say that it isn't,
it completely is because it happened yesterday and Josh Allen
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and the Bills didn't play. But the one thing that
Lamar Jackson had his team had going for him is
that were playing what was considered a meaningful game against
the Houston Texans and it was in a window where
everybody was watching, and not everybody's going to see Josh
Allen against the Jets coming up this weekend. I wouldn't
watch the Jets if I had to, but maybe if
you want to watch Josh Allen, go right ahead and
(23:01):
see what his candidacy would be. But I don't know
if how much Buffalo is gonna put in Josh Allen's
put on Josh Allen's plate, how much you're gonna put
him in harm's way. Lamar Jackson last night was magnificent,
but Josh Allen is still my MVP of the twenty
twenty four NFL season, and it's no disrespect to Lamar.
I just feel that what Josh Allen has done this
(23:22):
year with less on his plate in Buffalo than what
Lamar has in Buffalo, is than to what Lamar has
in Baltimore right now. That's why Jackson right now still
has not caught up to Josh Allen is the MVP.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Yeah, I am glad I'm not a voter because I
do think I could be swayed either way, right, Like
you can really pick a side and fight it to
the nail and maybe sway a voter. I do think
it's close. Lamar Jackson has never played like this. He
has unlocked levels of explosiveness that we hadn't seen before.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
And one of the terms, I feel like I see
a lot he's putting.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Up video game numbers and he really is, Like it's
incredible to watch he alongside Derrick Henry, and I feel
like that is a big part of the success that
he has had and that the Ravens have had. I
am with you that I think if I was voting,
I think I would vote for Josh Allen because I
didn't even have the Bills making the playoffs this year.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I thought they were in a rebuild mode. Who is
he throwing.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
To Keon Coleman, a rookie, Like he lost offensive weapons.
I did not expect him to be able to carry
a team, a team that defensively has really let him
down in certain games where he has to go and
be the hero, which we have seen Josh Allen do
in past years.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
It just hasn't been successful.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
He has committed less turnovers this year than last year,
which was a big.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Dig at him. He had eighteen turnovers last year interceptions.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
And so I think I would give the edge to
Josh Allen because of the whole season, Like if I
just look at the whole season instead of a recency bias,
because yeah, Lamar was awesome yesterday.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
He had a forty eight yar yard rushing touchdown.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
He like took a little step back and left, shook
someone off, broke his ankles and took off Like not
everyone can do that.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
What Lamar Jackson is doing, it's really incredible.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
But I cannot not just forget that he's doing it
next to Derrick Henry. I just can't forget that you're
having a.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Hall of Fame running back next to you.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
That's gonna end with two thousand yards from scrimmage likely
and a wide receiver that's probably going to end close
to a thousand yards. Josh Allen doesn't have that around him,
So I have to give the edge to Josh Allen
because of that.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
The subtraction of stuff on Diggs and the addition of
Derrick Henry changed our perception of the two teams. Yeah,
there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
And I thought the Ravens would win the division coming
into the season, like I always thought they were going
to be successful.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Sure, and there are a lot of people that didn't
think Buffalo. You didn't have Buffalo in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
No, I put Chargers in.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Hey, they're probably gonna make it as well Buffalo. But
this is Lamar winning it last year hurts him this year,
just like it hurts Nicolaokics with the Denver Nuggets in
the years past. Of is he able to win? Was
he going to be able to win three straight? At
some point? There's just there's a bit of fatigue over it.
(26:23):
And in Lamar's case, his numbers may be better than
Josh Allen, but it's never been a better numbers competition.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, that's what I was told last year.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
It's more of of what it is with the team
and what is around the team, and just the addition
of Derrick Henry where it appears the Ravens got better
and it appears the Bills got worse. I think that's
enough to sway. And the recency bias that I talk
about is that what we've seen in the last twenty
four hours. There's no doubt how great Lamar Jackson is.
(26:53):
We've seen it time and time again. And you know
what else is great about Lamars. He rises to the
occasion on games like this, in big games, and he
does what he does. But we forget the month that
Josh Allen had and beating the Kansas City Chiefs, beating
the Niners in a snowstorm in a game again where
he threw a touchdown pass technically to himself like I mean,
(27:15):
you know, through the past, and then then got the
lateral and ended up scoring. They in a loss to
the Rams, they put up forty two points when he scores,
you know, has a part in six touchdowns in that game.
And then they go and they go to Detroit and
beat the NFL's best team. And we've just forgotten all
of that because of a Christmas Day game in Houston.
(27:36):
That happened yesterday, And that's the part to answer your
question on the updated odds. Now it's not the same
place that gave the odds, But minus two fifty for
Josh Allen now plus one sixty for Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah, so closed, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Quite a bit of a gap closing, however, still a
significant lead for Josh Allen when Lamar's only got one
more game to play in Josh Allen one has two
more to play.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
The recentcy bias, so like, that's very common. You know,
that's not just this year.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
That's very common when it comes to the MVP voting.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Last year everybody was like, Lamar's got it in the
bag after they beat the San Francisco forty nine ers
and the defense had multiple interceptions and that at that point,
you know, everyone's like, oh, it's it's done and.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Sealed and delivered.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
So the recency bias is not is not new when
it comes to MVP, and in the NBA the same.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Thing, I mean happens all the time.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Hurkins literally stopped Nikola Jokic from getting his third MVP,
like he literally.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Just by by the words he said.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
All of a sudden, Nicola Jokic doesn't win his third MVP,
Joel embiid gets it and then falls flat in the playoffs,
and everyone's like, oh, should we have given it to
Niccola Jokic.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yes, yes, he should have.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
He should probably have five right now, Like if we're
being one hunt though, Nicola Yoga should just probably have
five MVPs.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
But that's that's the nature of the award, and that's
the that's the part that I can't get away from
as well, is why are we now? Why would we
all of a sudden change how we look at the
award in a way like Lamar has earned his two
MVPs and probably deserves a third, But he's not the
first player in history to not win an MVP when
(29:13):
he deserved it, right, And so at what point do
you give josh Allen an MVP who was played to
that level? And I just feel that this year with
and honestly, if Baltimore and Buffalo play on a field tomorrow,
I'm taking the Ravens ten times out of ten, you know,
in that game for what they have, And I think
maybe that answers my own the question of who I
(29:33):
should be voting for. But I don't think that it's
all Lamar in that situation. I just think Baltimore as more.
We look at Baltimore's receiving corps sometimes as less. But
you look, you mentioned who who you just mentioned with
the Bills. It's Keon Coleman, It's Khalil Shakir, it's an
injured Dalton Kincaid, and it's Amari Cooper who was brought
in this past year. Say Flowers legit, Mark Andrew's legit,
(29:56):
Isaiah likely. I mean they went three deep in their
tight end position at one point this season, shot Bateman's.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Flowers already has a thousand yards. Yeah, already has a
thousand years.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
So there, So there are weapons in Baltimore. I just
I just hate the one off games sort of deal
because it just ends up changing everything it is.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
And again it's it's just annoying because it happens across
all sports.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Like it's not new, the recency vice is not new.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
But I yeah, and a lot of people bring up, oh,
will the Ravens beat the Bills early on?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
That's true if you want to do that.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Like you mentioned, the Bills beat the Chiefs and the Lions.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Like I it's just the.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Comparison of who beat who, I don't like. It's just
more of like, I think Josh Allen is doing more
with less and he is more valuable. If we were
to switch and put Lamar in Buffalo and put Josh
Allen in Baltimore, what do you think would happen?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Well, if Lamar, if Josh Allen had won the previous
two MVPs, and if they are if you're if you're
asking me, if they have the same numbers, I think
Lamar would then have won.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
And do you think they're both be successful we just
switch them?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah? Yeah, I actually do. Yeah, I think that. I
think that. I mean Lamar's passer ratings. I mean, it's
just it's off the charge and there's so many things
that you have to worry about. The question is is
do you worry more now about Lamar with Derek Henry
also there? And I would say no. So if you
(31:24):
put Lamar in Buffalo, I think Lamar's probably having the
seasons that he had previously in Baltimore. The other thing
in Baltimore, honestly, which has helped him a little bit
and is helping Allen. So they kind of negate themselves,
is their defense is Baltimore's defense isn't as good as
it was previously.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Well it's not yet last year's defense.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Correct, correct, which I think allows his numbers to be inflated.
But in saying that, they've also needed to score more
and so Lamar has done that, where Josh Allen now
on the defense as well. Like you see, they score
forty two points in the game and still lose. So
I don't expect I don't think that that's a deciding
factor at all.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Yeah, No, And really I'm glad I don't know about him,
because I think you can sway someone.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I feel like if you, if you want to argue it,
you could. It's very close. I also just it.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Bothers me that Saquon Barkley isn't in the conversation, if
I'm being honest about it, that he's just but I
shouldn't be surprised since Christian McCaffrey wasn't in the conversation.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Last Well, here's here's the other here's the other portion
of it. Derreck Kenry. You know what Derek Henry did yesterday? Yeah,
one hundred and forty seven yards til touchdown. Yeah, because
they're not even talking like about that like that aspect
of it as well.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Right, So he's a big part of the success.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
And not to take away from what the Ravens are doing,
but Dereck Henry has just opened up so many different
options for them, and it's just, you know, it took
them a couple games to figure it out because it
wasn't like that to start the season.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
You were almost like, how is this going to work out?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
And I'll say, I'll say one final thing and that
we'll get to Isaac for a quick update. Lamar's season,
if he doesn't win it this year, should at least
give him credit towards an MVP next year, Like it
should give him like like like a two step lead
because it's carry over for how good his season is.
But if we're going to judge it how we've always
judged it and how we've played in and I think
Lamar should have won it last year, and I'm glad
(33:08):
that he won it last year, it's the fact of
it should be Josh Allen's because Josh Allen is gonna
win this Year's never gonna win one. And Josh Allen
should win an MVP for what he's done. So let's
spread it out a little bit, but maybe Lamar gets
ahead start for next year on number three.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
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Speaker 2 (33:32):
Having Fun on a Thursday of the day after Christmas,
she's Montsiblanio. So I'm Dan pyr in for Doug Gottlieb.
Doug's going to be in tomorrow. When's his next game?
Do we know Jason Stewart when Green Bay takes the
court again?
Speaker 7 (33:45):
I want to say it's Saturday, and then he doesn't
have a game until the next Friday. Maybe it's back
to back Saturdays.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Sunday this Sunday against Wayne and then Wright State on
January second, a Horizon League road game. Hit manciy up
at Manzy Belainias. You can find me at Dan Byer
on Fox, get Jason at Jason Stewart, and you can
find isa Glonkron at Isaac Longcrown, and you can find
him here right now with the press. The press, all right,
(34:14):
let's get the obvious out of the way. Professional bull
riding was on CBS Sports Network, and there's bull games
on ESPN, And but how many teams actually make up
the professional bull riding team event? Isaac Longcronn has the answers.
We knew it was Texas against Oklahoma, and then throughout
the day, because it's it's on, we saw New York
(34:35):
and Carolina. So those are four teams that are in
Jason Stewart, Montana and Calgary would have a team. Manzy,
you said Wyoming. I threw my head in for Colorado
and Albuquerque. Isaac, how do we do?
Speaker 7 (34:48):
H You really well know?
Speaker 8 (34:50):
Yeah, that would be a big oh for fun.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I'm looking on the screen and I remember I said Arizona,
but I didn't go, and.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
In Missouri, I have thought of Missouri. Who else? Who
are we missing?
Speaker 8 (35:08):
By the way, who would have known that that hotbed
of rodeo, New York would have a team and Wyoming, Colorado,
Montana would not. So in alphabetical order, we've got the
Arizona Ridge Riders, the Austin Gamblers, the Carolina Cowboys real
(35:32):
original there, the Florida Freedom, the Kansas City Outlaws, the
Missouri Thunder, the Nashville Stampede.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Nashville.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
Miss that one, the.
Speaker 8 (35:49):
New York Mavericks exactly the Oklahoma wild Catters and the
Texas Rattler.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Here's two teams in Missouri. Threw me for a loop
because there's Kansas City and then there's just the Missouri team.
Never would have guessed it. Thought maybe there could have
been one from Missouri, but never would have guessed it.
I'm mad we didn't get Nashville.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
I'm mad we didn't get in Nashville.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
I'm mad I went with Wyoming instead of Arizona.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
But yeah, I New York.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I again try to stay in that that part of
the country with connecting states. When we saw Texas and Oklahoma,
I thought maybe New Mexico had a chance and no
Canadian representation. Jason Stewart thought that would have been the case.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
They had didn't that didn't the Canadian League Canadian Football,
you got two Stampeders had two rough rides.
Speaker 8 (36:43):
Of one Saskatchewan. By the way, how about if they
do expand to Calgary, how about the Calgary Chaps.
Speaker 7 (36:50):
As their name.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
That would be a go Oh, that's pretty good.
Speaker 8 (36:53):
And by the way, the New York team guess where
the New York team plays in the Berkeley Center pro
a pro rodeo team in the one of the hipster
capitals of America in the Barkley Center. I never would
have guessed.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
That Calgary should be the bucis. So the Calgary, I
don't I say Calgary, but for the Calgary, for the
effect of the joke, I went with Calgary, Calgary, Calgary.
That was listening to Billy Ocean driving in and it's
the difference of you know, Caribbean or Caribbean, and I
(37:30):
feel like, you know Caribbean Queen is the ultimate answer.
It's not Caribbean Queen, it's Caribbean Queen. So wondering, let's
go with Billy Ocean.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
I say both.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Sorry, I used up all your time. Isaac, that's the press, and.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Pressed that was the press.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Isaac's not going anywhere, NEITHER'MONSI or myself or Jason Stewart
and Mary Mack. We're in for Cavino and Rich. That's
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Cook Rolling along on a Thursday. It is a Thursday.
I know the days can be mixed up with a holiday,
but here we are on a Thursday. There's Thursday Night football.
My Seahawks holding on by a dear thread when it
comes to the playoffs. Not only like there's like if
the Rams win this weekend, it's really gonna be tough
for Seattle even if they win tonight to try to
(00:38):
break through. But they there is still hope, Manzi, there
is still hope even with a matchup with the Rams
coming up in week eighteen.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
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Speaker 3 (01:09):
I really am. And it's like I don't even try.
It just like pops into my head.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
And I know there's people who despise it, but I
don't care about those people. We want to be positive
and we want to have a loving sort of nature.
You want to know, Well, first of all, I'll just
say this about Friends. Ross is my favorite character. He's
super funny, and people are polarizing. They like, can't stand Ross,
but I love Red Ross. I love the Ross Ross
(01:35):
wears the leather pants.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Oh so good.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
When he can't get the tanning thing corrects.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
His teeth, Yes, teeth is so good.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
All of it's like, all of it's all of it
is great. But my favorite Joey moment is when he
is bidding at the auction for the for the boat
and he thinks it's he's guessing the price and not
actually putting in the bid. Oh, I don't know. I
just think it's so funny.
Speaker 5 (01:59):
What.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
I just think it's hilarious and that he just.
Speaker 4 (02:02):
Bought a both see you bring that up, and I
think Phoebe walking it up with all the drinks, and
she's like, Phoebe, how many.
Speaker 6 (02:07):
Drinks do you have?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
The more I drink, the less there is for the
kids to drink.
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It's all for charity. It is all for charity.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Sit a great show, and it is a Thursday, and
things don't change on The Doug Gottlieb Show. Even though
Doug Gottlieb is not here. Our segment that we do
every week at four o'clock Eastern one o'clock Pacific on
a Thursday is here. Let's throw us back.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
You don't call it a throwback Thursday.
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Speaker 7 (02:44):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:44):
Dan.
Speaker 7 (02:44):
I'll take it from here. We're gonna throw it all
the way back to twenty twenty. I think everybody here
was alive. Twenty twenty was a weird year. Now this weekend,
I think the Lions and Vikings are playing, and I
wanted to go back to a very pivotal game on
the last day of the year. The Lions and Vikings.
(03:06):
Neither team were going to make the playoffs. In fact,
the Lions had just let go of Matt Patricia and
a guy named Darryl Bevill.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Bevell Darryl Belt, head coach, former Seahawks offensive coordinator, quarterback
of the Wisconsin Rose Bowl team in the mid nineties.
Speaker 7 (03:21):
I love it. That's why we have Dan Bayer to
fill in the blanks and then the the Vikings. On
the other hand, Mike Zimmer was our head coach and
they finished under five hundred, So it was a thirty
seven to thirty five game. Wow, what a humdinger. Kirk
Cousins threw for four hundred and five yards. Matthew Stafford
(03:44):
as a Lion through for two hundred ninety three yards.
But it was a humdinger. And it takes me back
to a twenty twenty year that was crazy and not
for all great reasons. Aaron Rodgers ended up winning the
MVP that year. Tom Brady leads the Bucks through a
season of no attendance, leads a brand new Bucks team
(04:06):
to a Super Bowl championship. But I really don't think
he gets enough credit for that. He leaves the Patriots,
he goes to the Bucks, wins a Super Bowl that
next year. I think as more time goes We're gonna
appreciate that more and more.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I think he gets too much credit for you.
Speaker 7 (04:21):
No, Dan, come on, let's not debate this segment. We're
just listing great things that happen in twenty twenty. We'll
shove the debate about Tom Brady for next segment. Dan,
What else do you remember from that twenty twenty year?
Pretty wacky, right.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
It was a very wacky year. I think that was
also the time when Aaron Rodgers was telling teams and
players that he could be acquired and traded for no
fans in the stands. For the NFL portion of it
was great, but it was also a Cam Newton New
England Patriots scenario, and you had a Seahawks Patriots game.
(04:57):
I remember in Week two where Cam Newton and the
Patriots almost went to Seattle in front of zero fans
and almost knocked off the twelfth Man. But there felt
like a little bit of a resurgence early on in
that year for Cam Newton as the Patriots quarterback. And
I remember that from the COVID twenty twenty season.
Speaker 7 (05:15):
So the twelfth Man was actually literal, that was the
twelfth Man, the one person in the story person.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
Yes, it was a Week two matchup as well, and
I think the Seahawks got a goal line stop at
the end of the game and ended up the Patriots.
It was thirty five to thirty. Yep, that's what it was.
Cam Newton threw for three hundred and ninety seven yards
that game.
Speaker 7 (05:39):
MANCI what sticks out from twenty twenty to you remember
spot twice?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Yeah, there's a couple of things that stand out.
Speaker 4 (05:43):
One of them is Devin Booker's turn around, fade away
game winner against the Clippers in the Bubble. Oh, was
so heart wrenching, and it was just funny because I
was telling Dan I don't remember. I was with maybe
my brothers and we were just watching the game, and
I was like saying that Devin Booger wasn't that great,
and that Donovan Mitchell is better.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
And then all of.
Speaker 4 (06:07):
A sudden, he hits that turnaway shot and I was like, well,
I guess he's proven me wrong real quick.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
It's like he heard me. The other thing that I remember.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Is I was working up the Dodgers and I think
it was like March seventeenth. Literally everything started shutting down,
like we were in the middle of tours, and I
get a call and they're like, wrap it up, wrap
it up, get the tours out. We're not doing this.
We gotta we have to stop. And everybody was like what.
And I will say this now because it's been four years,
(06:36):
but like the Dodgers were doing renovations in the outfield,
which is now the big main entrance in center field.
Those renovations were being done for the All Star Game
that was gonna happen at Dodger Stadium. Let me tell
you who benefited from the pandemic Dodger Stadium, because that
was not going to be ready by the time the
season started, not at all. We were there and we
(06:57):
were like, this is not gonna be ready. I don't
under understand how they're moving so slow. And then thanks
to shutting down for months, they were able to finish.
Nobody ever saw anything. But those are the two.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Big things I think about immediately twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
If there was a pile of dirt, they should have
just left it there and grew grass on it, because
I loved it when the Astros did that. Just just
have a hill in center field. It's not true to baseball.
It's not safe. Well, who cares if he hit one?
Four twenty to dead center make it difficult for the outfielder. Yeah,
and let's put a flag pole there as well. Yeah,
I'm totally totally game for that. March eleventh, twenty twenty,
(07:32):
was when Rudy Gobert tested positive for COVID and then
the next day everything started to shut down.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
When did he touch the microphones?
Speaker 2 (07:41):
That was? That was a couple of days prior. Yes,
that was.
Speaker 5 (07:46):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
He starts touching everyone's mics and you're just like, oh boy,
oh boy.
Speaker 7 (07:51):
He was just destroyed for that, like in the time
at the time by coaches and players and whatnot, everyone
in the media because you guys, I was not in
a sports radio at the time, but you guys had
not run out of things to talk about because sports
shutting down is a big topic. But like Rudy Gobert
(08:11):
doing that as everything is shutting down just made him
a massive punching bag for everybody's frustration.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Completely, And I look back at people like, how did
we make it through? Like that's all the discussion was,
is when you should compete when you shouldn't compete? Is
this fair? Is this fair for the NBA or the
Lakers getting an advantage.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Everybody was having an advantage.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Yeah, well taking time off, right, Yeah, I benefited some
more than some more than others.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Definitely.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, like your Lakers needed it, Yes, they needed it.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
They did. They did.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
Whether it than allowed us to now look at that
season of championships and wonder if there was an asterisk
by that or not.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
I don't. I know, we're talking about something else. I
just don't see how there isn't. And it's not that
it's like somebody was going to win you want it,
We're not. But if you were to say one line
for every championship in the last two years, the line
there would be like, ah, that was the year of
the pandemic shortened season.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Like how do you not? So, of course it's a
little starn Nex. Somebody had to win it.
Speaker 7 (09:08):
I'm in that group too, And I kind of think
the same way about the Dodgers. And I know Isaac's
got a lot to say about twenty twenty here, but
the Dodgers winning that championship in twenty twenty was like,
to me, was just kind of a tournament win on
a neutral site. They caught lightning in a bottle. They
had a great team. Corey seger wet us. But I've
never quite considered that a championship. But I will say
that Andrew Friedman and the Dodgers winning this past season
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almost confirmed twenty twenty as a championship. Because alone it
didn't mean anything, but if you pair it with one
within five years, for some reason, it makes more sense. Isaac,
what do you got for twenty twenty? How about the
college basketball season? That was no That was.
Speaker 8 (09:50):
The fake crowd noise that we heard while watching all
sporting events in twenty twenty, especially when the NFL got
back the fake crowd noise they got piped in.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
I you mentioned that. I think of the stupid videos
that you would have fans at home in the bubble YEA. Well,
it would be the enormous zoom meeting behind the benches.
Like how dumb was that?
Speaker 8 (10:17):
Like fat heads?
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Yes?
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Oh yes, the was live and they used like cutouts
like you could send in your pictures, you could pay
and pay, Yeah, which was funny. That was funny. The
screens were ridiculous.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
Well, so you guys are talking about like when they
would go to like some kind of a zoom call
with all the fans.
Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, at home in your Lakers gear.
Speaker 7 (10:42):
Out of like eight screens, like three of them would
be slow and if the internet wasn't work it so
it would be like a slow functioning person.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Yeah, I was like, I would not want to do that.
I would rather be at home and not worried about
a camera on me. Like that was weird.
Speaker 4 (10:57):
The cutouts I thought were cool, the cutouts, you know,
for the moment and what we were doing. The cutouts
were cool, But the zoom, the zoom was crazy.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
In the year of Golf in twenty twenty, the Open Championship,
the RNA just decided to not have to not hold it.
They canceled it. US Open, PGA Championship and Masters were
all held. The PGA Championship was actually the first one
to be held in August colin Marrikawa when that at
TBC Harding Park. Then you had Bryson and Shamble breaking
through at Winged Foot in twenty twenty, again in front
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of no fans. But it was the weirdest to have
augusta National in November host of Masters, because you're also
fighting with daylight at that time, different time of the year.
But CBS, I believe made accommodations so their NFL window
was changed to go to Fox so they could have
the final round of the Masters air and then their
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late window of games would take place that day. But
the Masters taking place in November was it was just
super weird. You had Dustin Johnson.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Dustin Johnson. I remember Dustin Johnson when he was interviewed
afterwards for whatever reason, the interviewer said, what's your favorite
song right now? Like, what do you what do you like?
What are you hitting balls to? And he brought this up,
which was a real non sequitor. The Weekend top the
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Billboard charts.
Speaker 2 (12:26):
What is this?
Speaker 7 (12:26):
The Blinding Lights? It might still be the most downloaded
song in the history of streaming. Really, I want to
say that. Maybe I'm guessing it was a fact check
me on that Mary Mack?
Speaker 2 (12:40):
What's that? Mary Mack?
Speaker 3 (12:41):
It was a great song. Yeah, truly is.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Is how do you feel about the Weekend? I really
like the Weekend? I can't I can't say that I
love the Weekend because they don't have all the albums.
But I had a bunch of like free weekend albums
before he became like the Weekend.
Speaker 6 (12:59):
So you listen to he was like on song when
he was like Friday Thursday.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
He had a sound. He had a song called Montreal
that was very good, and uh yeah, I really liked it.
I was really down with him.
Speaker 6 (13:11):
This is like the most mind blowing thing ever.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Well, you don't get to know me, Mary Mack. You
just your service level with me.
Speaker 7 (13:16):
So that's all. Oh, Dan's music tastes will continue to
surprise you. Yeah, just talked to Dan about his music
taste is amazing.
Speaker 9 (13:23):
I was like, yeah, wow, came out this year too.
That year New York Drill became really big.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
I was a Jew.
Speaker 6 (13:32):
I was still in high school during twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Oh here we go, Mary Mack. Yeah, so Fary, I'm
young Mac.
Speaker 9 (13:37):
At the beginning of twenty twenty, I was a junior,
and the end of twenty twenty I was going into
my senior year.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
At least you weren't a senior.
Speaker 9 (13:45):
Wait what Yeah, so the beginning of twenty twenty, I
was a junior year.
Speaker 6 (13:50):
At the end of my.
Speaker 9 (13:50):
Junior year is when the pandemic and the pandemic hit
and I remember Zoom and then I was we had
like you could just go to school like at home, right.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
I used to fall asleep during the Zoom classes.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
I don't blame a.
Speaker 7 (14:02):
Lot of people did. I think a lot of students did.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
At least at least you were't a senior. At least
you were able to have your senior year.
Speaker 6 (14:08):
Towards the end. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (14:10):
Yeah, but we didn't have like homecoming. We couldn't do
any games or anything. It was terrible.
Speaker 4 (14:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
Do you guys remember what the NHL did?
Speaker 7 (14:20):
Not one bit nothing.
Speaker 3 (14:23):
They just continued the same way.
Speaker 8 (14:25):
They had bubbles in Edmonton and Toronto.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Is what I yes, that is the case.
Speaker 8 (14:30):
Wow, they built a giant frozen tunnel between Edmonton and Toronto.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
That was the real impressive feet was that before or
after Harry and Meghan said they're leaving the royal family
Because that happened in twenty twenty. I'm not sure if
the pandemic had started or not, but they're always out
of touch, so I'm guessing it had started and they
figured they would announce that.
Speaker 6 (14:53):
I think it was in the middle of the pandemic game.
Speaker 7 (14:55):
I think so too. They're pretty much out of touch.
Speaker 2 (14:57):
I can also tell you this that the Super Bowl
that was played in twenty twenty. Again, this is always
a different conversation that we have here but the one
that took place in February was the Niners and the
Chiefs in Miami, and Shakira just totally overshadowed. Jennifer Lawrence.
Jennifer Yeah, Jennifer Lopez. Sorry. Yesterday the other day I
(15:18):
said Jenni Fisher instead of Jenni Strader. Today I said
Jennifer Lawrence MANSI tonight over dinner with Lisa. He's going
to be like, I can't believe I screwed that up,
Jennifer Lawrence.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
God drink it.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
No, Shakira was amazing, amazing.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
That was the see the way because fortunate enough to
be at the game to see the way that the
crowd reacted to Shakira, how they reacted.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
To interesting night and day, really.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Night and day. Yeah, it was actually cool. And it's
one of those moments too as well, like if you
just appreciate performance and appreciate I said. One of the
most emotional moments that I've ever that I can experience
in sports was standing at the twenty six mile of
a marathon to see all these people cheering on marathon runners.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
That they don't know, strangers, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Like because of the accomplishment that they're about to accomplish,
like all of a sudden, You're just sitting there like
why am I tearing up? Like this is like just
people cheering on people seeing how they responded to Shakira,
and people having a good time. I wasn't brought to tears,
but I was like moved. I'm like wow, like this
is this is amazing, people truly truly enjoying it. It
was crazy.
Speaker 7 (16:25):
It's funny you bring up tearing up because I was
going to bring this up. We were all flying to
the Super Bowl. I was on a plane with a
bunch of media types from wherever whatever Los Angeles media entities.
We were flying it on a Sunday night. And in
the middle of the flight, this woman behind me that
I know producer, says, Kobe just died yep, on the
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flight to the super Bowl. I'll never forget that one.
You talk about a point full of tears.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It was. We had landed, so I was on an
earlier flight, and then we drove to the airport earlier
in the day in LA and I knew it was foggy,
you know, but didn't know. But I got a text
from a buddy and then we went to TMZ because
that's where you go. And the site was down, So
you're like, they either took it down because it wasn't true.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Way they took it down because or it's true, well,
because they were they were putting they were putting stuff
out and then retracting the same and then putting it
back on.
Speaker 9 (17:19):
So they didn't have all of it, and that's why
they kept they kept going back and forth, going on
and off.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
It completely overshadowed the super Bowl week. I will tell
you that, yeah, it was. There was a completely different
feel that week because of it.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
I remember having to because I had booked the FS
one for the Monday, so the Monday before the Super
Bowl and it's just maybe a bunch of guests for NFL.
We had to go back to each guests and be like,
we're talking about Kobe. If you're not comfortable talking about Kobe,
let's rebook. It was just one of those unusual things
where the next day was all about Kobe Bryant.
Speaker 8 (17:52):
And remember the night before that, the Lakers played a
game in Philadelphia and Lebron had passed Kobe on the
all time scoring list, and Kobe weeded his congratulations late
that night to Lebron the next last week, I'm sorry
that was his last tweet. Yeah, oh I don't know that.
Speaker 7 (18:07):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Interesting, Yeah, crazy, Yeah, there are a lot of tears shed.
And we're based in Los Angeles and we were in
Miami that week. So I felt like there was a
whole week of morning here that I didn't experience, you know,
for those that were here. You know, I come back
from Lax and there's an enormous crane with just like
a Kobe number eight, you know, Jersey banner or whatever
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it was.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
But yeah, yeah, right before the pandemic fully shut everything down,
I went to a Lakers Clippers game and it was
right after the you know, in March, Kobe had passed,
and I wore a Kobe shirt with the Clipper jacket
over it because it was like, I'm going but everyone
knows that Staple Center, which is what it was called,
is the house that Kobe built.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
It's true, It's true, and it was so terrible. It
was just awful for months, for months.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
We end in a high note, something great.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
Happen to have about something funny. Uh, we all watched
The Tiger King when we were inside.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Yes, that was pretty funny.
Speaker 4 (19:10):
It just I that that show only was successful.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Because of the pandemic.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
I agree, nobody would be watching it if you had
all the other things to do.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I agree. Yes, speaking of got big and do.
Speaker 8 (19:22):
You know it was super big during that time for
us in the sports community. The documentary, The Last Dance,
that was huge.
Speaker 6 (19:31):
Yes, I love, I loved.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
I think the one thing that we missed was NASCAR
was like, guys driving your simulators and we're gonna make
real races out of this.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
Wait a minute, they did that.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Yes, guys are driving their simulators and they had real
races that.
Speaker 4 (19:45):
That like like if I'm a David Busters racing you
in a video game, a.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Little more, a little more you know, high tech than that.
But there they didn't win to they would have, they
would have races. So yeah, NASCAR actually probably did it best.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Yeah, I mean they got creative, so give it. I
didn't know they did that. That's created.
Speaker 2 (20:01):
Yeah, not the same. But okay, See twenty twenty wasn't
a complete wash.
Speaker 3 (20:06):
But I feel like I did nothing, Like why didn't
I learn?
Speaker 2 (20:09):
Really? Monty told me she ran a lot during that time.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
But I could I could have learned a new language.
I could have learned how to cook. I could have
learned to do stuff and I didn't. What a waste.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
I think we all feel that way in some way
shape with you, you know now looking back at back to
normal life.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
Right, it's like, Oh, I said I was gonna do
that in twenty twenty. I haven't done it.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
I haven't Good year to pick Chason's Stewart Goodyear that was.
Don't call it a throwback.
Speaker 5 (20:37):
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was something going on yesterday at Houston and that was
the Lamar Jackson Show. Heck, it's a Baltimore Ravens Show,
winning thirty one to two. Everything went well for the
Baltimore Ravens. Nothing went right for the Houston Texans, and
it went so right for the Baltimore Ravens Monci that
we now have another. I don't know if it's controversy
date debate if you will, but the NFL's MVP award
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now maybe not as much of a runaway as we
thought it was going to be. Josh Allen entering the
weekend was minus five hundred, that's with the odds according
to bet online, entering this week of games minus five
hundred to be the MVP. Lamar Jackson was second at
plus three hundred and seventy five. Now, Lamar sets the
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record NFL record for quarterback rushing yards, passing Michael Vick
for a season. His passer rating this year is I believe,
the second best only two season by Aaron Rodgers that
we've seen in NFL history. Lamar's numbers are off the charts,
but there was a sizeable gap entering the week according
to the Las Vegas odds. How much of that gap
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did Lamar Jackson close on Josh Allen for the MVP?
Do you have numbers I don't, but I can tell
you this that there are a lot of people that
think that Lamar Jackson is now the MVP after that
performance on Wednesday, and it's the ultimate form of recency bias.
It completely is. And if you say that it isn't,
it completely is because it happened yesterday and Josh Allen
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and the Bills didn't play. But the one thing that
Lamar Jackson had his team had going for him is
that were playing what was considered a meaningful game against
the Houston Texans and it was in a window where
everybody was watching, and not everybody's going to see Josh
Allen against the Jets coming up this weekend. I wouldn't
watch the Jets if I had to, but maybe if
you want to watch Josh Allen, go right ahead and
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see what his candidacy would be. But I don't know
if how much Buffalo is gonna put in Josh Allen's
put on Josh Allen's plate, how much you're gonna put
him in harm's way. Lamar Jackson last night was magnificent,
but Josh Allen is still my MVP of the twenty
twenty four NFL season, and it's no disrespect to Lamar.
I just feel that what Josh Allen has done this
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year with less on his plate in Buffalo than what
Lamar has in Buffalo, is than to what Lamar has
in Baltimore right now. That's why Jackson right now still
has not caught up to Josh Allen is the MVP.
Speaker 4 (23:36):
Yeah, I am glad I'm not a voter because I
do think I could be swayed either way, right, Like
you can really pick a side and fight it to
the nail and maybe sway a voter. I do think
it's close. Lamar Jackson has never played like this. He
has unlocked levels of explosiveness that we hadn't seen before.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
And one of the terms, I feel like I see
a lot he's putting.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
Up video game numbers and he really is, Like it's
incredible to watch he alongside Derrick Henry, and I feel
like that is a big part of the success that
he has had and that the Ravens have had. I
am with you that I think if I was voting,
I think I would vote for Josh Allen because I
didn't even have the Bills making the playoffs this year.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
I thought they were in a rebuild mode. Who is
he throwing.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
To Keon Coleman, a rookie, Like he lost offensive weapons.
I did not expect him to be able to carry
a team, a team that defensively has really let him
down in certain games where he has to go and
be the hero, which we have seen Josh Allen do
in past years.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
It just hasn't been successful.
Speaker 4 (24:44):
He has committed less turnovers this year than last year,
which was a big.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Dig at him. He had eighteen turnovers last year interceptions.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
And so I think I would give the edge to
Josh Allen because of the whole season, Like if I
just look at the whole season instead of a recency bias,
because yeah, Lamar was awesome yesterday.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
He had a forty eight yar yard rushing touchdown.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
He like took a little step back and left, shook
someone off, broke his ankles and took off Like not
everyone can do that.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
What Lamar Jackson is doing, it's really incredible.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
But I cannot not just forget that he's doing it
next to Derrick Henry. I just can't forget that you're
having a.
Speaker 3 (25:22):
Hall of Fame running back next to you.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
That's gonna end with two thousand yards from scrimmage likely
and a wide receiver that's probably going to end close
to a thousand yards. Josh Allen doesn't have that around him,
So I have to give the edge to Josh Allen
because of that.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
The subtraction of stuff on Diggs and the addition of
Derrick Henry changed our perception of the two teams. Yeah,
there's no doubt about that.
Speaker 4 (25:47):
And I thought the Ravens would win the division coming
into the season, like I always thought they were going
to be successful.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Sure, and there are a lot of people that didn't
think Buffalo. You didn't have Buffalo in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (25:56):
No, I put Chargers in.
Speaker 2 (25:59):
Hey, they're probably gonna make it as well Buffalo. But
this is Lamar winning it last year hurts him this year,
just like it hurts Nicolaokics with the Denver Nuggets in
the years past. Of is he able to win? Was
he going to be able to win three straight? At
some point? There's just there's a bit of fatigue over it.
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And in Lamar's case, his numbers may be better than
Josh Allen, but it's never been a better numbers competition.
Speaker 3 (26:30):
Yeah, that's what I was told last year.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
It's more of of what it is with the team
and what is around the team, and just the addition
of Derrick Henry where it appears the Ravens got better
and it appears the Bills got worse. I think that's
enough to sway. And the recency bias that I talk
about is that what we've seen in the last twenty
four hours. There's no doubt how great Lamar Jackson is.
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We've seen it time and time again. And you know
what else is great about Lamars. He rises to the
occasion on games like this, in big games, and he
does what he does. But we forget the month that
Josh Allen had and beating the Kansas City Chiefs, beating
the Niners in a snowstorm in a game again where
he threw a touchdown pass technically to himself like I mean,
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you know, through the past, and then then got the
lateral and ended up scoring. They in a loss to
the Rams, they put up forty two points when he scores,
you know, has a part in six touchdowns in that game.
And then they go and they go to Detroit and
beat the NFL's best team. And we've just forgotten all
of that because of a Christmas Day game in Houston.
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That happened yesterday, And that's the part to answer your
question on the updated odds. Now it's not the same
place that gave the odds, But minus two fifty for
Josh Allen now plus one sixty for Lamar Jackson.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah, so closed, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
Quite a bit of a gap closing, however, still a
significant lead for Josh Allen when Lamar's only got one
more game to play in Josh Allen one has two
more to play.
Speaker 4 (28:01):
The recentcy bias, so like, that's very common. You know,
that's not just this year.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
That's very common when it comes to the MVP voting.
Speaker 4 (28:09):
Last year everybody was like, Lamar's got it in the
bag after they beat the San Francisco forty nine ers
and the defense had multiple interceptions and that at that point,
you know, everyone's like, oh, it's it's done and.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Sealed and delivered.
Speaker 4 (28:23):
So the recency bias is not is not new when
it comes to MVP, and in the NBA the same.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Thing, I mean happens all the time.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
Hurkins literally stopped Nikola Jokic from getting his third MVP,
like he literally.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Just by by the words he said.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
All of a sudden, Nicola Jokic doesn't win his third MVP,
Joel embiid gets it and then falls flat in the playoffs,
and everyone's like, oh, should we have given it to
Niccola Jokic.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yes, yes, he should have.
Speaker 4 (28:47):
He should probably have five right now, Like if we're
being one hunt though, Nicola Yoga should just probably have
five MVPs.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
But that's that's the nature of the award, and that's
the that's the part that I can't get away from
as well, is why are we now? Why would we
all of a sudden change how we look at the
award in a way like Lamar has earned his two
MVPs and probably deserves a third, But he's not the
first player in history to not win an MVP when
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he deserved it, right, And so at what point do
you give josh Allen an MVP who was played to
that level? And I just feel that this year with
and honestly, if Baltimore and Buffalo play on a field tomorrow,
I'm taking the Ravens ten times out of ten, you know,
in that game for what they have, And I think
maybe that answers my own the question of who I
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should be voting for. But I don't think that it's
all Lamar in that situation. I just think Baltimore as more.
We look at Baltimore's receiving corps sometimes as less. But
you look, you mentioned who who you just mentioned with
the Bills. It's Keon Coleman, It's Khalil Shakir, it's an
injured Dalton Kincaid, and it's Amari Cooper who was brought
in this past year. Say Flowers legit, Mark Andrew's legit,
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Isaiah likely. I mean they went three deep in their
tight end position at one point this season, shot Bateman's.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Flowers already has a thousand yards. Yeah, already has a
thousand years.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
So there, So there are weapons in Baltimore. I just
I just hate the one off games sort of deal
because it just ends up changing everything it is.
Speaker 4 (30:16):
And again it's it's just annoying because it happens across
all sports.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Like it's not new, the recency vice is not new.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
But I yeah, and a lot of people bring up, oh,
will the Ravens beat the Bills early on?
Speaker 3 (30:28):
That's true if you want to do that.
Speaker 4 (30:29):
Like you mentioned, the Bills beat the Chiefs and the Lions.
Speaker 3 (30:32):
Like I it's just the.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
Comparison of who beat who, I don't like. It's just
more of like, I think Josh Allen is doing more
with less and he is more valuable. If we were
to switch and put Lamar in Buffalo and put Josh
Allen in Baltimore, what do you think would happen?
Speaker 2 (30:49):
Well, if Lamar, if Josh Allen had won the previous
two MVPs, and if they are if you're if you're
asking me, if they have the same numbers, I think
Lamar would then have won.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
And do you think they're both be successful we just
switch them?
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Yeah? Yeah, I actually do. Yeah, I think that. I
think that. I mean Lamar's passer ratings. I mean, it's
just it's off the charge and there's so many things
that you have to worry about. The question is is
do you worry more now about Lamar with Derek Henry
also there? And I would say no. So if you
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put Lamar in Buffalo, I think Lamar's probably having the
seasons that he had previously in Baltimore. The other thing
in Baltimore, honestly, which has helped him a little bit
and is helping Allen. So they kind of negate themselves,
is their defense is Baltimore's defense isn't as good as
it was previously.
Speaker 3 (31:41):
Well it's not yet last year's defense.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Correct, correct, which I think allows his numbers to be inflated.
But in saying that, they've also needed to score more
and so Lamar has done that, where Josh Allen now
on the defense as well. Like you see, they score
forty two points in the game and still lose. So
I don't expect I don't think that that's a deciding
factor at all.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Yeah, No, And really I'm glad I don't know about him,
because I think you can sway someone.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
I feel like if you, if you want to argue it,
you could. It's very close. I also just it.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Bothers me that Saquon Barkley isn't in the conversation, if
I'm being honest about it, that he's just but I
shouldn't be surprised since Christian McCaffrey wasn't in the conversation.
Speaker 2 (32:17):
Last Well, here's here's the other here's the other portion
of it. Derreck Kenry. You know what Derek Henry did yesterday? Yeah,
one hundred and forty seven yards til touchdown. Yeah, because
they're not even talking like about that like that aspect
of it as well.
Speaker 3 (32:29):
Right, So he's a big part of the success.
Speaker 4 (32:32):
And not to take away from what the Ravens are doing,
but Dereck Henry has just opened up so many different
options for them, and it's just, you know, it took
them a couple games to figure it out because it
wasn't like that to start the season.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
You were almost like, how is this going to work out?
Speaker 2 (32:47):
And I'll say, I'll say one final thing and that
we'll get to Isaac for a quick update. Lamar's season,
if he doesn't win it this year, should at least
give him credit towards an MVP next year, Like it
should give him like like like a two step lead
because it's carry over for how good his season is.
But if we're going to judge it how we've always
judged it and how we've played in and I think
Lamar should have won it last year, and I'm glad
(33:08):
that he won it last year, it's the fact of
it should be Josh Allen's because Josh Allen is gonna
win this Year's never gonna win one. And Josh Allen
should win an MVP for what he's done. So let's
spread it out a little bit, but maybe Lamar gets
ahead start for next year on number three.
Speaker 5 (33:21):
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Speaker 2 (33:32):
Having Fun on a Thursday of the day after Christmas,
she's Montsiblanio. So I'm Dan pyr in for Doug Gottlieb.
Doug's going to be in tomorrow. When's his next game?
Do we know Jason Stewart when Green Bay takes the
court again?
Speaker 7 (33:45):
I want to say it's Saturday, and then he doesn't
have a game until the next Friday. Maybe it's back
to back Saturdays.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Sunday this Sunday against Wayne and then Wright State on
January second, a Horizon League road game. Hit manciy up
at Manzy Belainias. You can find me at Dan Byer
on Fox, get Jason at Jason Stewart, and you can
find isa Glonkron at Isaac Longcrown, and you can find
him here right now with the press. The press, all right,
(34:14):
let's get the obvious out of the way. Professional bull
riding was on CBS Sports Network, and there's bull games
on ESPN, And but how many teams actually make up
the professional bull riding team event? Isaac Longcronn has the answers.
We knew it was Texas against Oklahoma, and then throughout
the day, because it's it's on, we saw New York
(34:35):
and Carolina. So those are four teams that are in
Jason Stewart, Montana and Calgary would have a team. Manzy,
you said Wyoming. I threw my head in for Colorado
and Albuquerque. Isaac, how do we do?
Speaker 7 (34:48):
H You really well know?
Speaker 8 (34:50):
Yeah, that would be a big oh for fun.
Speaker 4 (34:55):
I'm looking on the screen and I remember I said Arizona,
but I didn't go, and.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
In Missouri, I have thought of Missouri. Who else? Who
are we missing?
Speaker 8 (35:08):
By the way, who would have known that that hotbed
of rodeo, New York would have a team and Wyoming, Colorado,
Montana would not. So in alphabetical order, we've got the
Arizona Ridge Riders, the Austin Gamblers, the Carolina Cowboys real
(35:32):
original there, the Florida Freedom, the Kansas City Outlaws, the
Missouri Thunder, the Nashville Stampede.
Speaker 2 (35:45):
Nashville.
Speaker 6 (35:48):
Miss that one, the.
Speaker 8 (35:49):
New York Mavericks exactly the Oklahoma wild Catters and the
Texas Rattler.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Here's two teams in Missouri. Threw me for a loop
because there's Kansas City and then there's just the Missouri team.
Never would have guessed it. Thought maybe there could have
been one from Missouri, but never would have guessed it.
I'm mad we didn't get Nashville.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
I'm mad we didn't get in Nashville.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
I'm mad I went with Wyoming instead of Arizona.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
But yeah, I New York.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
I again try to stay in that that part of
the country with connecting states. When we saw Texas and Oklahoma,
I thought maybe New Mexico had a chance and no
Canadian representation. Jason Stewart thought that would have been the case.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
They had didn't that didn't the Canadian League Canadian Football,
you got two Stampeders had two rough rides.
Speaker 8 (36:43):
Of one Saskatchewan. By the way, how about if they
do expand to Calgary, how about the Calgary Chaps.
Speaker 7 (36:50):
As their name.
Speaker 2 (36:50):
That would be a go Oh, that's pretty good.
Speaker 8 (36:53):
And by the way, the New York team guess where
the New York team plays in the Berkeley Center pro
a pro rodeo team in the one of the hipster
capitals of America in the Barkley Center. I never would
have guessed.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
That Calgary should be the bucis. So the Calgary, I
don't I say Calgary, but for the Calgary, for the
effect of the joke, I went with Calgary, Calgary, Calgary.
That was listening to Billy Ocean driving in and it's
the difference of you know, Caribbean or Caribbean, and I
(37:30):
feel like, you know Caribbean Queen is the ultimate answer.
It's not Caribbean Queen, it's Caribbean Queen. So wondering, let's
go with Billy Ocean.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
I say both.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
Sorry, I used up all your time. Isaac, that's the press, and.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Pressed that was the press.
Speaker 2 (37:48):
Isaac's not going anywhere, NEITHER'MONSI or myself or Jason Stewart
and Mary Mack. We're in for Cavino and Rich. That's
coming up next year on Fox Sports Radio.
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