September 2, 2025 • 36 mins
Doug breaks down the verbal dispute between Dan Lanning and Mike Gundy. Doug welcomes former Chargers and Raiders General Manager Tom Telesco onto the show to get into the Micah Parsons deal, Arch Manning and other major NFL headlines. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through The Press.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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bad time, same bad channel. I'm a proud of lamb
of Oklahoma State. They beat Tennessee Martin on Thursday and
they'll play UH Oregon on Saturday in Eugene, part of
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a home and home series. Oregon comes to Stilly next year.
All of our fans in Eugene. Yeah, next year, I'll
head down there. We'll have a have a good time
early in the season. Be able to do the show
probably the night before from there. But there was a
curious back and forth, and I'll give you the blow
by blow with a couple of little cuts on it.
(01:10):
It's really interesting here right that we are paying players
all levels of college athletics. Some are there, there are
there are some college basketball programs who do not very
few college football. I don't think there are any that
aren't paying any players. You do make the decision on
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paying everybody, which I think most people do in football,
it's hit or missing basketball. Do you know, do tears
or do you just each individual guy would negotiate with him.
Lots of decisions to be made from that perspective, But
I think, just me, I think that you're pretty well
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aware players are being paid, so keep mind. And there's
still this weird feeling that a lot of people have,
like are we supposed to be doing this? We're not
supposed to be doing this. And some of the reaction
is in uh the idea that it diminishes the coach
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if you have a bigger pot of money. Right, So
we'll get to it a second. Here's my Gundhy, head
coach of Oklahoma State, getting ready for the Oregon game.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I guess that the last three years that we spent
around seven million over the three years, and I think
Oregon spent close to forty last year alone. Wow, so
that was just one year. Okay, Now I might be
off a few million, but they're spending a lot of money.
(02:51):
They spent a lot of money, you know, and there's
some schools that are doing that.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
If you listen to the entirety of the cut. He
wasn't negative about organ he was saying they have amazing resources.
I do think that figure of forty is quite high.
I think it's, you know, again, that's factoring in a
bunch of stuff that aren't what they're really factoring in.
My guess is it starts with a two. But I
don't know. Here's Dan Lanning, highly successful Oregon head coach,
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former Georgia assistant. Here's Lanning.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I got a ton of respect for coach Gundy. You know, ultimately,
how blessed are we to be in a place that's
invested in winning. If you want to be a top
ten team in college football, you better be invested in winning,
and we spend to win. Some people say to have
an excuse for why they don't right, And ultimately, he's
a great coach.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
They've done an unbelievable job.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
But I want to be a team that's competing at
the highest level, and we're really fortunate to be in
that situation.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
So I can't speak on their situation.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I have no idea, you know, What's what they got
in their pockets over there?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I'm sure U. T. Martin maybe didn't have as much
as them last week.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, that's where he goes to a whole bode. Hey
you played U T. Martin last week? Hah, they didn't
have nearly the budget you had. Didn't hear you complaining
about it? Is Gandhi complaining? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Is he?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Is he honest? Yeah? Like, look, I was critical of
Mike last year when you know his star running back
out a dui and he's like, ain't anything I haven't
done a hundred times again, I wouldn't have said it,
nor would I have done it. I mean I Saturday
night this weekend, I went over to a buddy's house.
They're all having old fashions, was consonable fashions. I was like,
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I just can't have one. They're like, why it was?
I can't get a dui? Like one drink? Like What's
what's the point of one drink? Like I'd like to
have a couple of drinks? And I'm just not gonna
do it. I'm not gonna put myself in that situation.
I wonder I'm not gonna possibly get a dui. But
the point is that even though I greatly disagree with them,
no one has ever accused my gandhy of pulling punches
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and being dishonest. I think what he wanted to get
out there was we had no money. The pass a
couple years. This is the first year we're spending money
and we're trying to figure it out, and there's gonna
be hits, so there's gonna be missus but Landing taking
a swipe late, and man, I don't think U. T.
Barton had that much money. The other part, which is
kind of patently unfair, which is, hey, i'd rather you know,
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if you want to spend to win, that sounds great.
Some programs don't have that. If Boone Pickens were still alive,
they probably would maybe maybe not. You know, Oklahoma State,
it just does not have the depth of that level
of donors that are that committed, and it makes it
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really hard. Plus they're trying to be good at every
sport softball, basketball, football, soccer, wrestling, they're really good at,
you know questing. My daughter said, like they have little
money because they're trying to be good at so many
different sports. But I thought it was interesting, like that's
what coaches talk about all the time. I told you,
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guys this last week. We were playing Ohio State last year.
It was like an eight point game, and I switched
up a ball string coverage and then all of a sudden,
we're down like fifteen. I just started emptying the bench
and playing guys. It was the one by game that
got bad and I was in. I was just devastating
the locker, mad at myself. Why did I switch the
ball screen coverage. I just tried to spark us. Well,
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I'm in my own sorrow. One of my coaches grabbed
and he said, what was our budget this year? Said
at one hundred? He said, yeah, there was a three million,
maybe three and a half. That thing was over before
the jump ball, right, So you can use an excuse
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or an explanation or a motivation for your fans, your
bone donors. If you want to be like Organ, you
gotta spend like Organ. Landing took it as a slam
at him a little bit. That's why that's why he pack.
And I think it's because Landing operates on the premise
that I agree with this that does it take great personnel? Yes,
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does it takes spending short, but it also takes quality coaching,
because the more you pay kids, the harder it is
to get them to do the little things. We do
this every Monday. I don't see why we shouldn't do it. Now,
let's do a little love and hate? Shall we love
and hate? Oh? It's Tuesday? Did you guys do it yesterday?
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Did you guys do it love and hate yesterday? Dan Buyer?
Speaker 5 (07:30):
Yes we did, Yes we did.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
What'd you love from the weekend?
Speaker 5 (07:33):
I loved Ohio State's victory on Saturday against Texas. That
was great. Again, not overblown, but it was just great
to have college football back and the team won a
big game.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, Sam, would you love on the weekend?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Well?
Speaker 6 (07:52):
I was supposed to go camping and I did not.
I'm kind of glad that I didn't. It fell through
and I gorged, gorged on college football.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
That's what I loved.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
I mean, I was watching from Thursday night up until
last night. It was a wonderful, wonderful Labor Day weekend.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
What about you there, Jase two.
Speaker 7 (08:09):
I'm a college football casual. I don't necessarily root for
a team, but I root for storylines, as you know,
and going into the year, I'm rooting against two individuals,
Arch Manning and Deon Sanders. Both of them crap the
bed over the weekend, and I enjoyed that. I love that.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I did think that Deon Sanders, like they not calling
a time out there when there's two blatantly obvious moments
where they could have called the time out and they didn't.
On their last drive. I wasn't jeering them to lose.
I did want to see what it looked like without
his son, and they lost. What I love from the weekend,
I mean, I just loved that I didn't actually have
to move Saturday. I moved very little. I moved very low.
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I was not rewarded. Like the Texas Texas Ohouse Tate
game was not a great game. Nobody will tell you
other wise, Like it just wasn't. It wasn't that cleanly played.
Teams weren't ready. Wasn't none of the games were great.
But it was just good to have something on TV
that we could all argue about. On Monday, I just
really good. What'd you hate from the weekend, Dann Byer?
(09:15):
What was your hate that you listened?
Speaker 5 (09:18):
I think my hate was my luggage got delayed because
my plane got delayed and traveling on Saturday, so there
was a bunch of stuff, and so then you have
to make the decision do you wait because I was
fortunate enough to have another flight where my luggage was
coming in that same night, or do you wait till
the next day? I did not like that very much.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Okay, Jay Stu, what'd you hate from the weekend?
Speaker 7 (09:44):
I hated watching my baseball team, the Dodgers regress to
what they were before sweeping the Podrays. They still they're
still doing with the same issues. In a weekend against
the Podrays at home, they seemingly had fixed all all
of their problems, addressed all their bugaboos, and then in
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the games prior or games after that, they have gone
back to what they were prior to that. So we
need to fix some stuff up here in the last
three weeks of the season.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Three weeks left, ug Sam, what did you hope in
the weekend?
Speaker 6 (10:19):
I think I need a new TV or at least
need to do a factory reset of my TV because
the YouTube TV multiview, which that really should be my hate,
you still can't customize it exactly the way you want it,
and that bothers me. They should have this figured out.
You should pick exactly the games you want. That's not
my hate though. It's been a long standing right for me.
Speaker 7 (10:39):
The multiview thing.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
But my TV couldn't even handle multiview. It kept crashing,
so I couldn't watch four games on one screen. It
kept just like turning off or going back to the
main menu. So, oh, I have no I know, I
might need a new TV.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
H Those are always fun purchases though, right, Get the
upgrades a little bit bigger one.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, I need a better picture.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
Sure, this is an old Roku TV and it's small.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
And they're not that I mean, and if you can
go to like Target and get one's totallyne not expensive.
Speaker 7 (11:08):
Yeah, TVs are crazy. Imagine that in two thousand and five,
so just twenty years ago, if you were if you
were to say, one day, I'm going to complain that
these four HD images will not be able to look
great on my TV in uh from the internet.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Yeah, now you put in proper perspective there, I would say.
I will say that we've had the picture in picture
for a long time now. It's been a technology, it's
been around.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, but it went away, it went away for a while.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
It went away.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, went away for a while.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
Because it was garbage. So that's not even a great
example to use. Clean that up.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, I in the podcast, My my hate is the
nonsensical decisions and nonsensical takes that come from one college
football game where people aren't really invested.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
It's the same thing we get with bowl games or
with NCAA tournament games, like but especially now, like they've
literally had fifteen practices their kids, so they're not whatever
your memory is of great college quarterbacks, go and watch
him play first week of the season, in their first start.
And yeah, I'm talking a little bit about Archpanning. I
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thought some of his fundamentals did break down. I thought
he did get sped up. But I was actually at
Peyton Manning's first collegiate game. They played UCLA. He was
a backup. He came in off the bench and he
was good. But like, let's not act like you said,
the world of fire, and they're playing against a really
good Ohio State team. So but my bigger one is
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again like the let's fire Kalin de boor like he's
been there for fourteen games, what are we doing? You know,
I mean, just the craziness of one game that you're
not really invested in. Not really invested.
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Speaker 1 (13:13):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio
and or the only show that brings you what it's
really like inside those GM offices, what it's like on
the third floor of some of these places. Right Administration
Player personnel toms Alasco joins us first weekly visit course.
For eleven years, he was the GM of the San
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Diego the La Churches, of course, last year the GM
of the Las Vegas Raiders. He joins us here on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Let me start
with the decision to trade Micah Parsons. Again, I don't
know your level of insight into that room, but what
was your reaction to their decision to actually move him.
Speaker 9 (13:56):
I wasn't. I mean, the only thing I was surprised
about was the timing of it. Obviously they changed their
mind at some point later in the process because they
were actively trying to sign them and they knew the
contract was going to be record setting and market recently contracts,
so they must have decided at some point to uh
to change gears. It was just the timing of it,
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because at this point of the calendar there's a lot
of teams that would have interest in trading for him.
But you just you're not budgeted for a cash and
cap at this point of the years, so you don't
have as many teams competing for compensation to make that trade.
So but on the surface, like look, deciding that you know,
we're not going to pay three players that much of
our cap and we want to get some assets back,
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and the assets I agree with this totally. It had
to be more than just picks. They had to be
picks plus a player or players. The player that got
back is a really good player. Now he's thirty years
old and with his contract he may only be there
one year, but they get a frontline player back, and
then the two first round picks is good. The only
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thing is, like you just you can't gear that you're
going to turn those two first round picks into two
starters or two Pro bowlers or even one zero all
Pro player. And Dallas to me is drafted very well
over the years, so historically they've drafted well. But again,
you can't say they're exactly going to get two starters
from that or two Pro Bowl players, So you would
like to get back. It's just hard for player of
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Micah Parson's ability and his age, it's hard to get
back true value. But look, they decided that, you know,
we want the cat flexibility, and they were already using
some of it with extending dron Bland. So I like
that they're going to spend that money on their own
players and that's typically what they've done in the past.
I like that, And they're going to get some draft
picks back, so they're going to take a hit this year.
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They're just not going to be as good in twenty
twenty five without them. You got to hope you'h on
those picks, and you know, and if maybe if those
picks are into a franchise quarterback down the road to
take over for Dak, then this wall seemed like it
was a great deal.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
What do you think led them to change their mind?
Speaker 9 (15:58):
I would think because this holding went for so long,
like I hadn't I'd not seen a holding go this
many weeks where you get right close to this season.
If they were not going to deal with the agent,
which it seems like they were not. You had two
paths to go. One would be you'd have to put
them on a reserve suspended list because he's on the
active roster, and if we're on the active roster this week,
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you'd be paying him to play in the game, and
the game that he's holding, he's holding out essentially and
not going to play. I don't think any GM ro
owner wants to pay a player, you know, one eighteenth
of his base salary, which is a lot over a
million dollars one point three million, to pay a player
to not play. So you either have to suspend them
moving forward for not playing, or you have to trade them.
So they had to go one way or another at
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that point. So they decided to go to trade route.
And the big factor was this week, plus they opened
early to play Thursday, so they had to do something
by the beginning of last week either way, and you know,
they went the trade route.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Okay, what did you think the Packers is in the
trade for him?
Speaker 9 (17:00):
I just think it's the right move at the right time,
and they're built to do this right now. Both from
a roster standpoint, Cap and cash standpoint, they're put together
really well. They have a younger team, they've they've built
through the draft. They have a lot of players on
rookie contracts, which allows them to do a move like
this right now. They already had a great defense last year.
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This will add to that. Now they're giving up, you know,
they're giving up. They're putting up a lot of assets
into one player, so that that there's always a flip
side to it. So it's a record amount of cap space.
You know, they're losing two first round picks, which are
usually you know, opportunities to maybe draft an impact player
in the first round that you get at a blow
market value for four years. But I just think in
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this situation that pluses that way the negatives. They had
been searching for a number of years to find that
impact rusher. I don't know this for sure, but it
seems like they've made calls on a lot of veteran
pass rushers that we're in that market to they were
doing new deals to kind of investigate, you know, making
a big trade. You know, they've drafted past rushers in
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the first round the last couple of years. They've signed
free agents, but this is to me, this wasn't something
they just looked at a week or two go and decide, hey,
let's let's try this. I think they've been trying this
for a number of years to find this impact rusher.
I mean, obviously all the way back to Khalil Mackman
to try to trade for him. So I just think,
right right place a great time for this club, and
they're going to be strong this year.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I remember, and tell me if I'm wrong. Didn't you
guys do dual practices with it with the Cowboys? I
want to say two years ago with the Chargers.
Speaker 9 (18:35):
We did it twice in cos of Macy.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yes, and again if I remember what you said was
basically my cap Parsons ruined the scrimmage because you guys
can block them.
Speaker 9 (18:47):
It was jaw dropping, I mean it was. It's always
fun to go with the joint practice with other teams
because you're up close and personal for a couple of
days right on the practice field. Things you can't see
when you're a GM of your own team. So to
watch him practice for for a couple of days, his explosiveness,
his speed, his ability to affect the game, especially at
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all three levels, it just it just jumped out, just
jumped out in practice. So you know that's what Green
Bay is going to get them. You can line them
up almost anywhere on the field, and you know, does
he play their run like an edge setting path rusher. No,
but he plays the run with it's likability explosion speed,
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either chasing from behind or slipping blocks on the front side.
He could still play the run fine, just plays in
a different style. But again, you know you're paying him
to rush the passer. I'm not You're not paying a
player of forty five plus billion dollars a year to
set the edge. You know, I can find edge setters
for a lot cheaper than that. Paining him to rush
the passer affect the game, and he's gonna affect the
game in a in a big way for green Bay.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Okay, So well, green Bay is playing the Detroit Lions
and then they play on Thursday night against the Commanders.
How do you how do you evalue and the guy's
got a little bit of a back issue, how much
and how long do you plan?
Speaker 9 (20:08):
That's gonna be a difficult one to handle. You just
you have to look long term. And I know you're
paying them a lot of money this year, you know,
so you'd like to get seventeen games out of them.
But this is where where the GM has to really
come in and make really smart decisions. A lot of
it's leaning on the player, and even though you're you know,
you're new to the players, you don't know his personality
that well yet, but you're leaning on the player, leaning
on the doctors. My senses is back, isn't that bad.
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I'm more worried about a soft tissue injury just from
not having a lot of high intensity reps the last
you know, four weeks. So if he does play, to me,
it's got to be package, a small pass rush package.
But you're gonna have to be careful with this because
I know he's in shape, that's the prime issue. But
it's just just a diff between being and conditioning and
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being in football conditioning shape. It's two different things. So
I wouldn't have thirty forty plays this week, cause even
if you did that and he gets through, well, then
you got a short week now as much recovery time,
and now you're at a higher risk in the week
two of having a self fishue injury. So I think
they're going to be very cautious with.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
This, I would tend to agree with you. It is
the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Tom
Telesco is our guest, longtime general manager of the San
Diego than La Chargers, of course, most recently general manager
of the Las Vegas Raiders. He joins this year on
The Doug Gottlieb Show. Okay, so it looks it looks
like the Rams will have their quarterback right, and again,
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on the surface, it's not that big a deal for
the Rams because I mean, Matt Stafford never plays in
the preseason. But again, the question is management. It's a
longer season than it's ever been, eighteen games they start
on Sunday versus the Texans. How do you manage an
older corporate Again, and I'm sorry, I'm asking you a
bunch of questions. But the other thing, and you and
(21:55):
I have talked about it is older quarterbacks, especially ones
that have an injury, they have a tendency to get
rid of the ball a little a little quicker than
even they need to because they just don't want to
get hit. So I'm one of your thoughts on Stafford
in the Rams.
Speaker 9 (22:10):
Yeah, I mean I think it's valid when you say, like,
he never plays in a preseason anyway, So I'm not
so much concerned about him not being ready to roll.
With his timing and anticipation, I think I don't think
you'll notice anything different. But obviously with this type of injury,
at this type of age, there's just no guarantee it
doesn't flare up during the regular season, so they'll probably
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have to have him. I don't know if you have
to have him on a plan unless he's having some
back issues. It's not like a shoulder, arm issue or
a knee where we need to lessen the load a
little bit. I mean, back to unpredictable. But if he
feels good, I think you keep rolling. But you know,
there could be points of the year where he's he's sore,
you have to pull him back during the week. He's
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at the age of his career, especially in that offense.
If he doesn't throw every single day, I don't think
it's going to be a huge issue, but you know,
there's all there's got to be a concern that it
gets worse during the season, and then you know, at
some point, do we have to go to Garoppolo and
they're already they were working on that Plan B in
the preseason. So this is going to linger the whole year,
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something to watch the whole year. But I think I'm
not so much concerned about his level of play when
he's out there.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Okay, reports on Aaron Rodgers art man he does. He
still throws it with great zip, but he doesn't move
nearly as well. How hard is it to get a
quarterback who's so used to moving around, uh to change
kind of his style because he doesn't move like he
used to.
Speaker 9 (23:39):
I mean, I think it would be difficult, Like if
you know you're your one style of player, used to
doing it one way, and now you know that the
legs don't always agree with what you want to do.
But I do think there are some some facets of
the of the offense that Arthur Smith's runs. I think
it's going to work well with Aaron Rodgers. They'll do
a lot of play action paths. He gets the ball
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his hand quick. But I don't you know, no matter
who the quarterback is there, obviously it's Aaron Rodgers. The
offensive line needs to play better this year. They need
to have more consistency from the tackles to make this work,
and they just really offensive to step up around him.
It just can't be relying on Aaron Rodgers to make
this thing go. And you can say that for a
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lot of the situations that quarterback this year were in
different areas, you know, Indianapolis and New Orleans and Cleveland.
You know, it can't be just the quarterback. So they
have some good receivers. With the Steelers, they have an
excellent tight end group. Their offensive line, the interior three,
the guard, center, guard, I think is strong, and the
tackles have to keep improving. I mean, he's got Troy
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font Ne who's coming off an injury his rookie years.
He's almost a rookie this year, so he needs to
get moving quickly. And Roderick Jones needs to take a
next step. But I think that's the important part is
their defense is up standing. I mean, their defense is
really gonna hold them in the games. That's the strength
of their team. It's got to get enough scoring on
offense to to win some games.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Okay, so you've done this for years and you did
draft a pretty good one with the Chargers, right, What
were your thoughts first going in to watching Arch take
Arch Banning take on Ohustak going into the game.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
Yeah, well, I disfigured. If he played well, he's gonna
be the best prospect of all time, and if he
didn't play well, he'd be the most overrated prospect of
all time. There wasn't gonna be any in between. But
I looked at him this summer just because I wanted
to see what the hype was all about. I didn't
I know, he didn't play a ton of snaps last year.
But what I saw I liked, I thought, so I was.
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I was surprised how he played against the Hilo State,
not necessarily concerned. And actually the first thing I thought
of watching the game was like, you know, you pull
some Peyton Manning film early early in his career versus
Romeo Crannell, and it wasn't pretty. Sometimes it looked it
looked the same. So but now I think Harris has
a lot of skills. I think he's a much more
accurate passer then he showed against Ohio State. But you know,
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when when the coverage is not exactly what you thought
it was going to be, or the pressure or sometimes
the lack of pressure isn't what you thought was going
to be, it really affects your timing and anticipation, and
when that breaks down, your mechanics break down and ball
doesn't arrive with the accuracy. So I've seen him throw
with great bass and feet and mechanics. I've seen him
do it before, but I think his vision on up
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to what the defense is giving him. On that game,
it was just murky and it led him to not
being very decisive. But that defense, with the amount of
talent he played against and the scheme it was, it
was a struggle for him.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
But yeah, he is a super high level defense with
with kind of taught from an NFL perspective, and it's
his first true road game as a starter at that level, right,
I mean, I don't like.
Speaker 9 (26:53):
Yeah, I know, I'm not. Like I said, I'm not concerned.
And with these situation, I don't know if he'll be
in this draft or not. But with with all players
that you're evaluating, we take the body of work for
a year or multiple years, whatever it is at the
end and kind of put the piece that put the
puzzle together. It is not a weekly stock market of
up and down and now hey he's not he was
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ranked first, now he's ranked third. It's just not how
it works, but I think he'll be better for this.
I think moving forward, I'm not so much concerned, but
I was at surprised to the extent of how a
house state really forced them to play. But it is
what it is.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Okay, Belichick, what were your thoughts going in to watching
with Carolina played last night?
Speaker 9 (27:32):
You know, I didn't really have any preconceived notions. I
didn't know much about their team. You know, they have
a lot of new players, but I hadn't you know,
I really hadn't studied the team very much. But you know,
like kind of like arch Manning, like I'd rather see
a body of work of this of this team rather
than just one game to make a big proclamation. But
the only thing that really I took from last night
is that I thought I was less coaching and more
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about players. Like I just thought their teams speed on
both sides of the ball just seemed really slow. And
there are some plays on defense where there were numerous
players that were free to the football and unblocked and
they just couldn't make a tackle. So I guess we'll
get a better feel for what their actual talent level
is as we moved through their schedule. I think the
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floppiness on special teams and the ball handing on offense
that will that will all get cleaned up as the
season progresses. But I guess I just want to see more
this year and to see what their talent level is
because last night it just didn't seem like they were
they could match up just speed and athletic ability wise
with TCU.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, I would say this, and again I experienced some
of that last year, which is when you come in
and like, I know, Michael Lombardi's a GM, he's been
on the show, he's a friend, but but if you
haven't been at that level, or you haven't been in
college football, Like, it's really hard to evaluate if you
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haven't seen the league or the level that you're playing at.
Just it just is because and and evaluating high school
and college kids is different than evaluating guys for the
draft because their development is in a different, complete, different phase.
So my takeaway was that they're smart guys, but they
learned a lot last night in terms of whatever they
thought their personnel was. Like I'm sure they were disappointed
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in some form of fashion, but ultimately my guess is
they'll figure it out.
Speaker 9 (29:21):
I think in the end they'll figure it out. And
you know, typically Belichick teams have been big and physical
and powerful teams, but not necessarily the fastest teams in
the world. And when you get to the college level
and the way the college game is played and it's
so spread out, you got to make sure you have
team speed and maybe the half team speed there that
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just as young. And this isn't playing yet. I don't know.
I guess we'll get a better feel as a year
goes on, and maybe it feels like we're going to
be big and physical, we're going to beat people up,
but you know, we need more than one game to
kind of see where this goes. But there were just
some plays last night I just felt like they were
just the slowest team on the field that just PCU
is running circles around them.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Tilly are the best man. Good stuff. Thanks so much
for joining us on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (30:07):
Sounds good. Thanks Doug.
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Speaker 5 (31:03):
A very special day today, as the calendar says September two,
and that means John Ramos is birthday today, the former
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Speaker 7 (31:24):
We're a big, big John Romo's house this point.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah, Ramos has pulled off that rare thing that everybody
says they'll do, Like, hey, what if I just quit
my job and worked at a high school and coach
softball and did some other stuff and just because I
want to be around my kids more and he did it.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Love John of course the upstart Ramos Industries taking off
as well that he launched. Maybe not exactly, but John
has got great things coming up ahead, and we wanted
to wish him a happy birthday.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
He's a birthday guy.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Moving on, Doug Bill Belichick took a loss last night
was the topic of conversation in many places, including here
on Fox Sports Radio and also in the Northeast on
The Greg Hill Show. Patriots head coach Mike Vrabel was
asked about last night's game featuring his former head coach.
Speaker 9 (32:15):
Did you watch the UNC TCU game last night?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Probably? Maybe a few snaps, that's.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
All the first half, first drives.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Beauty ended a game after the first half.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
It would be good.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
You guys seem to be excited about that.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
No, no, no, I listen.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I am.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I'm rooting for the guy, and I think you know,
I mean, you've coached in college.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
It takes a while, don't you think to get a
program going in there like that?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Ebymre won twelve of the first twelve games in Ohio States,
so it didn't take him long.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I'm just that's my experience in college football. Yeah. The
problem with that is, I mean that is honestly as
douchey a comment as you can ever make, right, Like
you know exactly what happened, right, They they had to
fire Trestle. They so Luke Fickle took one for the
team for a year, right was what six and seven?
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And Urban had an entire run up and lead up
to a hot States program. He's at North Carolina, He's
not at Ohio State. I just obviously there's something there
where they're not boys. Just gonna point that one out.
They're not boys. And I think Rabel's an awesome coach.
Maybe he knows something we don't, but I thought that
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was the douchey remark.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Rabel's just gonna say what he wants to say. There's
been a not much filter since taking over in Foxborough.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Okay, better win, Hey, better win?
Speaker 7 (33:52):
How about those? Was that was that a radio hit?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (33:55):
Yeah, I thought I thought the laughter was a little
bit too much. I don't think that what Rabel was
doing or saying was that funny. Kind of reminds me
of the press room when Tom Brady would pull off
one of his great jokes, just like.
Speaker 9 (34:07):
We drew up.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
I disagree like we drew it up.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
I think that there is there is such a conversation
about an X, and it's the X of everybody there.
And some people liked Bill Belichick, some people didn't. I
didn't think that there were courtesy laughs. I felt that
there were some tension laughs.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
Ice breaking laughs. Yeah, just yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
They weren't sure because even Rabels said, like, I'm sure
you guys enjoyed it, implying that they're rooting against Bill Belichick.
I just thought it was interesting. I also think it's
interesting that Travis Hunter is second team cornerback but first
team wide receiver. On the Jaguars depth chart that was
released today.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
He was He's wait, second team cornerback, team wide receiver.
That is correct, Yeah, because that's what we talked about,
was they think that he's better as a wide receiver
than a corner, which is interesting, but second team cornerback.
Could he be a nickel? Can they find downs for him? Whatever?
I would have thought it would have been the opposite,
but they've obviously identified him as they feel like he
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can be an elite wide receiver, which puts a little
bit more pressure on Trevor Lawrence, who, at some point,
like I just we thought Trevor Lawrence will be better
than he is. I don't think he's bad, but I
don't think he's great.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Doug Ohio State's the new number one team in the
Ladies DPE Top twenty five College football poll. Penn State
is second, LSU third, Georgia fourth, Miami fifth, Oregon comes
in sixth, Texas now seventh, Clemson is eight, Notre Dame
drops to nine. South Carolina is ten, Florida State fourteen,
Alabama twenty one.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
Where's Iowa?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I just think it's interesting that Alabama's not twenty one
behind a Florida State team that they had a chance
to be and they lost on the roads. Like the
mass overreaction. Let's see what happens after Alabama windsor next
to the beat Wisconsin and home. They go into the
Georgia game after week off, we'll see. I think I
thought their offensive line got outplayed. That was the big
change routine the saban Era and what we saw against Flora's.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Tate Sam asked the important question of where is Iowa
in this ranking.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Where's Iowa. It's west of Illinois, south of Minnesota, north
of Nebraska.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Top twenty five. They also didn't receive any votes. They
didn't the coaches poll. I think something like that anyway.
And that's yeah, they received twenty three in the coaches poll.
That's the press.
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bad time, same bad channel. I'm a proud of lamb
of Oklahoma State. They beat Tennessee Martin on Thursday and
they'll play UH Oregon on Saturday in Eugene, part of
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a home and home series. Oregon comes to Stilly next year.
All of our fans in Eugene. Yeah, next year, I'll
head down there. We'll have a have a good time
early in the season. Be able to do the show
probably the night before from there. But there was a
curious back and forth, and I'll give you the blow
by blow with a couple of little cuts on it.
(01:10):
It's really interesting here right that we are paying players
all levels of college athletics. Some are there, there are
there are some college basketball programs who do not very
few college football. I don't think there are any that
aren't paying any players. You do make the decision on
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paying everybody, which I think most people do in football,
it's hit or missing basketball. Do you know, do tears
or do you just each individual guy would negotiate with him.
Lots of decisions to be made from that perspective, But
I think, just me, I think that you're pretty well
(01:55):
aware players are being paid, so keep mind. And there's
still this weird feeling that a lot of people have,
like are we supposed to be doing this? We're not
supposed to be doing this. And some of the reaction
is in uh the idea that it diminishes the coach
(02:16):
if you have a bigger pot of money. Right, So
we'll get to it a second. Here's my Gundhy, head
coach of Oklahoma State, getting ready for the Oregon game.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
I guess that the last three years that we spent
around seven million over the three years, and I think
Oregon spent close to forty last year alone. Wow, so
that was just one year. Okay, Now I might be
off a few million, but they're spending a lot of money.
(02:51):
They spent a lot of money, you know, and there's
some schools that are doing that.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
If you listen to the entirety of the cut. He
wasn't negative about organ he was saying they have amazing resources.
I do think that figure of forty is quite high.
I think it's, you know, again, that's factoring in a
bunch of stuff that aren't what they're really factoring in.
My guess is it starts with a two. But I
don't know. Here's Dan Lanning, highly successful Oregon head coach,
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former Georgia assistant. Here's Lanning.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
I got a ton of respect for coach Gundy. You know, ultimately,
how blessed are we to be in a place that's
invested in winning. If you want to be a top
ten team in college football, you better be invested in winning,
and we spend to win. Some people say to have
an excuse for why they don't right, And ultimately, he's
a great coach.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
They've done an unbelievable job.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
But I want to be a team that's competing at
the highest level, and we're really fortunate to be in
that situation.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
So I can't speak on their situation.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I have no idea, you know, What's what they got
in their pockets over there?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
I'm sure U. T. Martin maybe didn't have as much
as them last week.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Yeah, that's where he goes to a whole bode. Hey
you played U T. Martin last week? Hah, they didn't
have nearly the budget you had. Didn't hear you complaining
about it? Is Gandhi complaining? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Is he?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Is he honest? Yeah? Like, look, I was critical of
Mike last year when you know his star running back
out a dui and he's like, ain't anything I haven't
done a hundred times again, I wouldn't have said it,
nor would I have done it. I mean I Saturday
night this weekend, I went over to a buddy's house.
They're all having old fashions, was consonable fashions. I was like,
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I just can't have one. They're like, why it was?
I can't get a dui? Like one drink? Like What's
what's the point of one drink? Like I'd like to
have a couple of drinks? And I'm just not gonna
do it. I'm not gonna put myself in that situation.
I wonder I'm not gonna possibly get a dui. But
the point is that even though I greatly disagree with them,
no one has ever accused my gandhy of pulling punches
(04:55):
and being dishonest. I think what he wanted to get
out there was we had no money. The pass a
couple years. This is the first year we're spending money
and we're trying to figure it out, and there's gonna
be hits, so there's gonna be missus but Landing taking
a swipe late, and man, I don't think U. T.
Barton had that much money. The other part, which is
kind of patently unfair, which is, hey, i'd rather you know,
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if you want to spend to win, that sounds great.
Some programs don't have that. If Boone Pickens were still alive,
they probably would maybe maybe not. You know, Oklahoma State,
it just does not have the depth of that level
of donors that are that committed, and it makes it
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really hard. Plus they're trying to be good at every
sport softball, basketball, football, soccer, wrestling, they're really good at,
you know questing. My daughter said, like they have little
money because they're trying to be good at so many
different sports. But I thought it was interesting, like that's
what coaches talk about all the time. I told you,
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guys this last week. We were playing Ohio State last year.
It was like an eight point game, and I switched
up a ball string coverage and then all of a sudden,
we're down like fifteen. I just started emptying the bench
and playing guys. It was the one by game that
got bad and I was in. I was just devastating
the locker, mad at myself. Why did I switch the
ball screen coverage. I just tried to spark us. Well,
(06:19):
I'm in my own sorrow. One of my coaches grabbed
and he said, what was our budget this year? Said
at one hundred? He said, yeah, there was a three million,
maybe three and a half. That thing was over before
the jump ball, right, So you can use an excuse
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or an explanation or a motivation for your fans, your
bone donors. If you want to be like Organ, you
gotta spend like Organ. Landing took it as a slam
at him a little bit. That's why that's why he pack.
And I think it's because Landing operates on the premise
that I agree with this that does it take great personnel? Yes,
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does it takes spending short, but it also takes quality coaching,
because the more you pay kids, the harder it is
to get them to do the little things. We do
this every Monday. I don't see why we shouldn't do it. Now,
let's do a little love and hate? Shall we love
and hate? Oh? It's Tuesday? Did you guys do it yesterday?
(07:27):
Did you guys do it love and hate yesterday? Dan Buyer?
Speaker 5 (07:30):
Yes we did, Yes we did.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
What'd you love from the weekend?
Speaker 5 (07:33):
I loved Ohio State's victory on Saturday against Texas. That
was great. Again, not overblown, but it was just great
to have college football back and the team won a
big game.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
Yeah, Sam, would you love on the weekend?
Speaker 5 (07:51):
Well?
Speaker 6 (07:52):
I was supposed to go camping and I did not.
I'm kind of glad that I didn't. It fell through
and I gorged, gorged on college football.
Speaker 7 (07:59):
That's what I loved.
Speaker 6 (08:00):
I mean, I was watching from Thursday night up until
last night. It was a wonderful, wonderful Labor Day weekend.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
What about you there, Jase two.
Speaker 7 (08:09):
I'm a college football casual. I don't necessarily root for
a team, but I root for storylines, as you know,
and going into the year, I'm rooting against two individuals,
Arch Manning and Deon Sanders. Both of them crap the
bed over the weekend, and I enjoyed that. I love that.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
I did think that Deon Sanders, like they not calling
a time out there when there's two blatantly obvious moments
where they could have called the time out and they didn't.
On their last drive. I wasn't jeering them to lose.
I did want to see what it looked like without
his son, and they lost. What I love from the weekend,
I mean, I just loved that I didn't actually have
to move Saturday. I moved very little. I moved very low.
(08:54):
I was not rewarded. Like the Texas Texas Ohouse Tate
game was not a great game. Nobody will tell you
other wise, Like it just wasn't. It wasn't that cleanly played.
Teams weren't ready. Wasn't none of the games were great.
But it was just good to have something on TV
that we could all argue about. On Monday, I just
really good. What'd you hate from the weekend, Dann Byer?
(09:15):
What was your hate that you listened?
Speaker 5 (09:18):
I think my hate was my luggage got delayed because
my plane got delayed and traveling on Saturday, so there
was a bunch of stuff, and so then you have
to make the decision do you wait because I was
fortunate enough to have another flight where my luggage was
coming in that same night, or do you wait till
the next day? I did not like that very much.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
Okay, Jay Stu, what'd you hate from the weekend?
Speaker 7 (09:44):
I hated watching my baseball team, the Dodgers regress to
what they were before sweeping the Podrays. They still they're
still doing with the same issues. In a weekend against
the Podrays at home, they seemingly had fixed all all
of their problems, addressed all their bugaboos, and then in
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the games prior or games after that, they have gone
back to what they were prior to that. So we
need to fix some stuff up here in the last
three weeks of the season.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Three weeks left, ug Sam, what did you hope in
the weekend?
Speaker 6 (10:19):
I think I need a new TV or at least
need to do a factory reset of my TV because
the YouTube TV multiview, which that really should be my hate,
you still can't customize it exactly the way you want it,
and that bothers me. They should have this figured out.
You should pick exactly the games you want. That's not
my hate though. It's been a long standing right for me.
Speaker 7 (10:39):
The multiview thing.
Speaker 6 (10:40):
But my TV couldn't even handle multiview. It kept crashing,
so I couldn't watch four games on one screen. It
kept just like turning off or going back to the
main menu. So, oh, I have no I know, I
might need a new TV.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
H Those are always fun purchases though, right, Get the
upgrades a little bit bigger one.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, I need a better picture.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (11:01):
Sure, this is an old Roku TV and it's small.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
And they're not that I mean, and if you can
go to like Target and get one's totallyne not expensive.
Speaker 7 (11:08):
Yeah, TVs are crazy. Imagine that in two thousand and five,
so just twenty years ago, if you were if you
were to say, one day, I'm going to complain that
these four HD images will not be able to look
great on my TV in uh from the internet.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Yeah, now you put in proper perspective there, I would say.
I will say that we've had the picture in picture
for a long time now. It's been a technology, it's
been around.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, but it went away, it went away for a while.
Speaker 7 (11:41):
It went away.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
Yeah, went away for a while.
Speaker 7 (11:42):
Because it was garbage. So that's not even a great
example to use. Clean that up.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah, I in the podcast, My my hate is the
nonsensical decisions and nonsensical takes that come from one college
football game where people aren't really invested.
Speaker 7 (12:00):
You know.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
It's the same thing we get with bowl games or
with NCAA tournament games, like but especially now, like they've
literally had fifteen practices their kids, so they're not whatever
your memory is of great college quarterbacks, go and watch
him play first week of the season, in their first start.
And yeah, I'm talking a little bit about Archpanning. I
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thought some of his fundamentals did break down. I thought
he did get sped up. But I was actually at
Peyton Manning's first collegiate game. They played UCLA. He was
a backup. He came in off the bench and he
was good. But like, let's not act like you said,
the world of fire, and they're playing against a really
good Ohio State team. So but my bigger one is
(12:41):
again like the let's fire Kalin de boor like he's
been there for fourteen games, what are we doing? You know,
I mean, just the craziness of one game that you're
not really invested in. Not really invested.
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It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio
and or the only show that brings you what it's
really like inside those GM offices, what it's like on
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Player personnel toms Alasco joins us first weekly visit course.
For eleven years, he was the GM of the San
(13:34):
Diego the La Churches, of course, last year the GM
of the Las Vegas Raiders. He joins us here on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Let me start
with the decision to trade Micah Parsons. Again, I don't
know your level of insight into that room, but what
was your reaction to their decision to actually move him.
Speaker 9 (13:56):
I wasn't. I mean, the only thing I was surprised
about was the timing of it. Obviously they changed their
mind at some point later in the process because they
were actively trying to sign them and they knew the
contract was going to be record setting and market recently contracts,
so they must have decided at some point to uh
to change gears. It was just the timing of it,
(14:16):
because at this point of the calendar there's a lot
of teams that would have interest in trading for him.
But you just you're not budgeted for a cash and
cap at this point of the years, so you don't
have as many teams competing for compensation to make that trade.
So but on the surface, like look, deciding that you know,
we're not going to pay three players that much of
our cap and we want to get some assets back,
(14:38):
and the assets I agree with this totally. It had
to be more than just picks. They had to be
picks plus a player or players. The player that got
back is a really good player. Now he's thirty years
old and with his contract he may only be there
one year, but they get a frontline player back, and
then the two first round picks is good. The only
(14:58):
thing is, like you just you can't gear that you're
going to turn those two first round picks into two
starters or two Pro bowlers or even one zero all
Pro player. And Dallas to me is drafted very well
over the years, so historically they've drafted well. But again,
you can't say they're exactly going to get two starters
from that or two Pro Bowl players, So you would
like to get back. It's just hard for player of
(15:20):
Micah Parson's ability and his age, it's hard to get
back true value. But look, they decided that, you know,
we want the cat flexibility, and they were already using
some of it with extending dron Bland. So I like
that they're going to spend that money on their own
players and that's typically what they've done in the past.
I like that, And they're going to get some draft
picks back, so they're going to take a hit this year.
(15:40):
They're just not going to be as good in twenty
twenty five without them. You got to hope you'h on
those picks, and you know, and if maybe if those
picks are into a franchise quarterback down the road to
take over for Dak, then this wall seemed like it
was a great deal.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
What do you think led them to change their mind?
Speaker 9 (15:58):
I would think because this holding went for so long,
like I hadn't I'd not seen a holding go this
many weeks where you get right close to this season.
If they were not going to deal with the agent,
which it seems like they were not. You had two
paths to go. One would be you'd have to put
them on a reserve suspended list because he's on the
active roster, and if we're on the active roster this week,
(16:19):
you'd be paying him to play in the game, and
the game that he's holding, he's holding out essentially and
not going to play. I don't think any GM ro
owner wants to pay a player, you know, one eighteenth
of his base salary, which is a lot over a
million dollars one point three million, to pay a player
to not play. So you either have to suspend them
moving forward for not playing, or you have to trade them.
So they had to go one way or another at
(16:41):
that point. So they decided to go to trade route.
And the big factor was this week, plus they opened
early to play Thursday, so they had to do something
by the beginning of last week either way, and you know,
they went the trade route.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Okay, what did you think the Packers is in the
trade for him?
Speaker 9 (17:00):
I just think it's the right move at the right time,
and they're built to do this right now. Both from
a roster standpoint, Cap and cash standpoint, they're put together
really well. They have a younger team, they've they've built
through the draft. They have a lot of players on
rookie contracts, which allows them to do a move like
this right now. They already had a great defense last year.
(17:22):
This will add to that. Now they're giving up, you know,
they're giving up. They're putting up a lot of assets
into one player, so that that there's always a flip
side to it. So it's a record amount of cap space.
You know, they're losing two first round picks, which are
usually you know, opportunities to maybe draft an impact player
in the first round that you get at a blow
market value for four years. But I just think in
(17:43):
this situation that pluses that way the negatives. They had
been searching for a number of years to find that
impact rusher. I don't know this for sure, but it
seems like they've made calls on a lot of veteran
pass rushers that we're in that market to they were
doing new deals to kind of investigate, you know, making
a big trade. You know, they've drafted past rushers in
(18:03):
the first round the last couple of years. They've signed
free agents, but this is to me, this wasn't something
they just looked at a week or two go and decide, hey,
let's let's try this. I think they've been trying this
for a number of years to find this impact rusher.
I mean, obviously all the way back to Khalil Mackman
to try to trade for him. So I just think,
right right place a great time for this club, and
they're going to be strong this year.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
I remember, and tell me if I'm wrong. Didn't you
guys do dual practices with it with the Cowboys? I
want to say two years ago with the Chargers.
Speaker 9 (18:35):
We did it twice in cos of Macy.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yes, and again if I remember what you said was
basically my cap Parsons ruined the scrimmage because you guys
can block them.
Speaker 9 (18:47):
It was jaw dropping, I mean it was. It's always
fun to go with the joint practice with other teams
because you're up close and personal for a couple of
days right on the practice field. Things you can't see
when you're a GM of your own team. So to
watch him practice for for a couple of days, his explosiveness,
his speed, his ability to affect the game, especially at
(19:07):
all three levels, it just it just jumped out, just
jumped out in practice. So you know that's what Green
Bay is going to get them. You can line them
up almost anywhere on the field, and you know, does
he play their run like an edge setting path rusher. No,
but he plays the run with it's likability explosion speed,
(19:28):
either chasing from behind or slipping blocks on the front side.
He could still play the run fine, just plays in
a different style. But again, you know you're paying him
to rush the passer. I'm not You're not paying a
player of forty five plus billion dollars a year to
set the edge. You know, I can find edge setters
for a lot cheaper than that. Paining him to rush
the passer affect the game, and he's gonna affect the
game in a in a big way for green Bay.
Speaker 1 (19:52):
Okay, So well, green Bay is playing the Detroit Lions
and then they play on Thursday night against the Commanders.
How do you how do you evalue and the guy's
got a little bit of a back issue, how much
and how long do you plan?
Speaker 9 (20:08):
That's gonna be a difficult one to handle. You just
you have to look long term. And I know you're
paying them a lot of money this year, you know,
so you'd like to get seventeen games out of them.
But this is where where the GM has to really
come in and make really smart decisions. A lot of
it's leaning on the player, and even though you're you know,
you're new to the players, you don't know his personality
that well yet, but you're leaning on the player, leaning
on the doctors. My senses is back, isn't that bad.
(20:32):
I'm more worried about a soft tissue injury just from
not having a lot of high intensity reps the last
you know, four weeks. So if he does play, to me,
it's got to be package, a small pass rush package.
But you're gonna have to be careful with this because
I know he's in shape, that's the prime issue. But
it's just just a diff between being and conditioning and
(20:53):
being in football conditioning shape. It's two different things. So
I wouldn't have thirty forty plays this week, cause even
if you did that and he gets through, well, then
you got a short week now as much recovery time,
and now you're at a higher risk in the week
two of having a self fishue injury. So I think
they're going to be very cautious with.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
This, I would tend to agree with you. It is
the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Tom
Telesco is our guest, longtime general manager of the San
Diego than La Chargers, of course, most recently general manager
of the Las Vegas Raiders. He joins this year on
The Doug Gottlieb Show. Okay, so it looks it looks
like the Rams will have their quarterback right, and again,
(21:35):
on the surface, it's not that big a deal for
the Rams because I mean, Matt Stafford never plays in
the preseason. But again, the question is management. It's a
longer season than it's ever been, eighteen games they start
on Sunday versus the Texans. How do you manage an
older corporate Again, and I'm sorry, I'm asking you a
bunch of questions. But the other thing, and you and
(21:55):
I have talked about it is older quarterbacks, especially ones
that have an injury, they have a tendency to get
rid of the ball a little a little quicker than
even they need to because they just don't want to
get hit. So I'm one of your thoughts on Stafford
in the Rams.
Speaker 9 (22:10):
Yeah, I mean I think it's valid when you say, like,
he never plays in a preseason anyway, So I'm not
so much concerned about him not being ready to roll.
With his timing and anticipation, I think I don't think
you'll notice anything different. But obviously with this type of injury,
at this type of age, there's just no guarantee it
doesn't flare up during the regular season, so they'll probably
(22:32):
have to have him. I don't know if you have
to have him on a plan unless he's having some
back issues. It's not like a shoulder, arm issue or
a knee where we need to lessen the load a
little bit. I mean, back to unpredictable. But if he
feels good, I think you keep rolling. But you know,
there could be points of the year where he's he's sore,
you have to pull him back during the week. He's
(22:52):
at the age of his career, especially in that offense.
If he doesn't throw every single day, I don't think
it's going to be a huge issue, but you know,
there's all there's got to be a concern that it
gets worse during the season, and then you know, at
some point, do we have to go to Garoppolo and
they're already they were working on that Plan B in
the preseason. So this is going to linger the whole year,
(23:14):
something to watch the whole year. But I think I'm
not so much concerned about his level of play when
he's out there.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Okay, reports on Aaron Rodgers art man he does. He
still throws it with great zip, but he doesn't move
nearly as well. How hard is it to get a
quarterback who's so used to moving around, uh to change
kind of his style because he doesn't move like he
used to.
Speaker 9 (23:39):
I mean, I think it would be difficult, Like if
you know you're your one style of player, used to
doing it one way, and now you know that the
legs don't always agree with what you want to do.
But I do think there are some some facets of
the of the offense that Arthur Smith's runs. I think
it's going to work well with Aaron Rodgers. They'll do
a lot of play action paths. He gets the ball
(24:00):
his hand quick. But I don't you know, no matter
who the quarterback is there, obviously it's Aaron Rodgers. The
offensive line needs to play better this year. They need
to have more consistency from the tackles to make this work,
and they just really offensive to step up around him.
It just can't be relying on Aaron Rodgers to make
this thing go. And you can say that for a
(24:20):
lot of the situations that quarterback this year were in
different areas, you know, Indianapolis and New Orleans and Cleveland.
You know, it can't be just the quarterback. So they
have some good receivers. With the Steelers, they have an
excellent tight end group. Their offensive line, the interior three,
the guard, center, guard, I think is strong, and the
tackles have to keep improving. I mean, he's got Troy
(24:40):
font Ne who's coming off an injury his rookie years.
He's almost a rookie this year, so he needs to
get moving quickly. And Roderick Jones needs to take a
next step. But I think that's the important part is
their defense is up standing. I mean, their defense is
really gonna hold them in the games. That's the strength
of their team. It's got to get enough scoring on
offense to to win some games.
Speaker 1 (25:01):
Okay, so you've done this for years and you did
draft a pretty good one with the Chargers, right, What
were your thoughts first going in to watching Arch take
Arch Banning take on Ohustak going into the game.
Speaker 9 (25:18):
Yeah, well, I disfigured. If he played well, he's gonna
be the best prospect of all time, and if he
didn't play well, he'd be the most overrated prospect of
all time. There wasn't gonna be any in between. But
I looked at him this summer just because I wanted
to see what the hype was all about. I didn't
I know, he didn't play a ton of snaps last year.
But what I saw I liked, I thought, so I was.
(25:39):
I was surprised how he played against the Hilo State,
not necessarily concerned. And actually the first thing I thought
of watching the game was like, you know, you pull
some Peyton Manning film early early in his career versus
Romeo Crannell, and it wasn't pretty. Sometimes it looked it
looked the same. So but now I think Harris has
a lot of skills. I think he's a much more
accurate passer then he showed against Ohio State. But you know,
(26:03):
when when the coverage is not exactly what you thought
it was going to be, or the pressure or sometimes
the lack of pressure isn't what you thought was going
to be, it really affects your timing and anticipation, and
when that breaks down, your mechanics break down and ball
doesn't arrive with the accuracy. So I've seen him throw
with great bass and feet and mechanics. I've seen him
do it before, but I think his vision on up
(26:26):
to what the defense is giving him. On that game,
it was just murky and it led him to not
being very decisive. But that defense, with the amount of
talent he played against and the scheme it was, it
was a struggle for him.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
But yeah, he is a super high level defense with
with kind of taught from an NFL perspective, and it's
his first true road game as a starter at that level, right,
I mean, I don't like.
Speaker 9 (26:53):
Yeah, I know, I'm not. Like I said, I'm not concerned.
And with these situation, I don't know if he'll be
in this draft or not. But with with all players
that you're evaluating, we take the body of work for
a year or multiple years, whatever it is at the
end and kind of put the piece that put the
puzzle together. It is not a weekly stock market of
up and down and now hey he's not he was
(27:13):
ranked first, now he's ranked third. It's just not how
it works, but I think he'll be better for this.
I think moving forward, I'm not so much concerned, but
I was at surprised to the extent of how a
house state really forced them to play. But it is
what it is.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Okay, Belichick, what were your thoughts going in to watching
with Carolina played last night?
Speaker 9 (27:32):
You know, I didn't really have any preconceived notions. I
didn't know much about their team. You know, they have
a lot of new players, but I hadn't you know,
I really hadn't studied the team very much. But you know,
like kind of like arch Manning, like I'd rather see
a body of work of this of this team rather
than just one game to make a big proclamation. But
the only thing that really I took from last night
is that I thought I was less coaching and more
(27:54):
about players. Like I just thought their teams speed on
both sides of the ball just seemed really slow. And
there are some plays on defense where there were numerous
players that were free to the football and unblocked and
they just couldn't make a tackle. So I guess we'll
get a better feel for what their actual talent level
is as we moved through their schedule. I think the
(28:14):
floppiness on special teams and the ball handing on offense
that will that will all get cleaned up as the
season progresses. But I guess I just want to see more
this year and to see what their talent level is
because last night it just didn't seem like they were
they could match up just speed and athletic ability wise
with TCU.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah, I would say this, and again I experienced some
of that last year, which is when you come in
and like, I know, Michael Lombardi's a GM, he's been
on the show, he's a friend, but but if you
haven't been at that level, or you haven't been in
college football, Like, it's really hard to evaluate if you
(28:53):
haven't seen the league or the level that you're playing at.
Just it just is because and and evaluating high school
and college kids is different than evaluating guys for the
draft because their development is in a different, complete, different phase.
So my takeaway was that they're smart guys, but they
learned a lot last night in terms of whatever they
thought their personnel was. Like I'm sure they were disappointed
(29:16):
in some form of fashion, but ultimately my guess is
they'll figure it out.
Speaker 9 (29:21):
I think in the end they'll figure it out. And
you know, typically Belichick teams have been big and physical
and powerful teams, but not necessarily the fastest teams in
the world. And when you get to the college level
and the way the college game is played and it's
so spread out, you got to make sure you have
team speed and maybe the half team speed there that
(29:42):
just as young. And this isn't playing yet. I don't know.
I guess we'll get a better feel as a year
goes on, and maybe it feels like we're going to
be big and physical, we're going to beat people up,
but you know, we need more than one game to
kind of see where this goes. But there were just
some plays last night I just felt like they were
just the slowest team on the field that just PCU
is running circles around them.
Speaker 1 (30:03):
Tilly are the best man. Good stuff. Thanks so much
for joining us on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (30:07):
Sounds good. Thanks Doug.
Speaker 8 (30:08):
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Speaker 5 (31:03):
A very special day today, as the calendar says September two,
and that means John Ramos is birthday today, the former
tech producer of The Doug Gottlieb Show celebrating a birthday
thirty nine for John Ramos today, Happy birthday, It's John Ramos.
Speaker 7 (31:24):
We're a big, big John Romo's house this point.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Yeah, Ramos has pulled off that rare thing that everybody
says they'll do, Like, hey, what if I just quit
my job and worked at a high school and coach
softball and did some other stuff and just because I
want to be around my kids more and he did it.
Speaker 5 (31:41):
Love John of course the upstart Ramos Industries taking off
as well that he launched. Maybe not exactly, but John
has got great things coming up ahead, and we wanted
to wish him a happy birthday.
Speaker 1 (31:53):
He's a birthday guy.
Speaker 5 (31:55):
Moving on, Doug Bill Belichick took a loss last night
was the topic of conversation in many places, including here
on Fox Sports Radio and also in the Northeast on
The Greg Hill Show. Patriots head coach Mike Vrabel was
asked about last night's game featuring his former head coach.
Speaker 9 (32:15):
Did you watch the UNC TCU game last night?
Speaker 1 (32:20):
Probably? Maybe a few snaps, that's.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
All the first half, first drives.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Beauty ended a game after the first half.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
It would be good.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
You guys seem to be excited about that.
Speaker 7 (32:41):
No, no, no, I listen.
Speaker 1 (32:42):
I am.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
I'm rooting for the guy, and I think you know,
I mean, you've coached in college.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
It takes a while, don't you think to get a
program going in there like that?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Ebymre won twelve of the first twelve games in Ohio States,
so it didn't take him long.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
I'm just that's my experience in college football. Yeah. The
problem with that is, I mean that is honestly as
douchey a comment as you can ever make, right, Like
you know exactly what happened, right, They they had to
fire Trestle. They so Luke Fickle took one for the
team for a year, right was what six and seven?
(33:19):
And Urban had an entire run up and lead up
to a hot States program. He's at North Carolina, He's
not at Ohio State. I just obviously there's something there
where they're not boys. Just gonna point that one out.
They're not boys. And I think Rabel's an awesome coach.
Maybe he knows something we don't, but I thought that
(33:40):
was the douchey remark.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
Rabel's just gonna say what he wants to say. There's
been a not much filter since taking over in Foxborough.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
Okay, better win, Hey, better win?
Speaker 7 (33:52):
How about those? Was that was that a radio hit?
Speaker 1 (33:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (33:55):
Yeah, I thought I thought the laughter was a little
bit too much. I don't think that what Rabel was
doing or saying was that funny. Kind of reminds me
of the press room when Tom Brady would pull off
one of his great jokes, just like.
Speaker 9 (34:07):
We drew up.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
I disagree like we drew it up.
Speaker 5 (34:13):
I think that there is there is such a conversation
about an X, and it's the X of everybody there.
And some people liked Bill Belichick, some people didn't. I
didn't think that there were courtesy laughs. I felt that
there were some tension laughs.
Speaker 7 (34:31):
Ice breaking laughs. Yeah, just yeah.
Speaker 5 (34:35):
They weren't sure because even Rabels said, like, I'm sure
you guys enjoyed it, implying that they're rooting against Bill Belichick.
I just thought it was interesting. I also think it's
interesting that Travis Hunter is second team cornerback but first
team wide receiver. On the Jaguars depth chart that was
released today.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
He was He's wait, second team cornerback, team wide receiver.
That is correct, Yeah, because that's what we talked about,
was they think that he's better as a wide receiver
than a corner, which is interesting, but second team cornerback.
Could he be a nickel? Can they find downs for him? Whatever?
I would have thought it would have been the opposite,
but they've obviously identified him as they feel like he
(35:17):
can be an elite wide receiver, which puts a little
bit more pressure on Trevor Lawrence, who, at some point,
like I just we thought Trevor Lawrence will be better
than he is. I don't think he's bad, but I
don't think he's great.
Speaker 5 (35:30):
Doug Ohio State's the new number one team in the
Ladies DPE Top twenty five College football poll. Penn State
is second, LSU third, Georgia fourth, Miami fifth, Oregon comes
in sixth, Texas now seventh, Clemson is eight, Notre Dame
drops to nine. South Carolina is ten, Florida State fourteen,
Alabama twenty one.
Speaker 7 (35:50):
Where's Iowa?
Speaker 1 (35:51):
I just think it's interesting that Alabama's not twenty one
behind a Florida State team that they had a chance
to be and they lost on the roads. Like the
mass overreaction. Let's see what happens after Alabama windsor next
to the beat Wisconsin and home. They go into the
Georgia game after week off, we'll see. I think I
thought their offensive line got outplayed. That was the big
change routine the saban Era and what we saw against Flora's.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Tate Sam asked the important question of where is Iowa
in this ranking.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Where's Iowa. It's west of Illinois, south of Minnesota, north
of Nebraska.
Speaker 5 (36:28):
Top twenty five. They also didn't receive any votes. They
didn't the coaches poll. I think something like that anyway.
And that's yeah, they received twenty three in the coaches poll.
That's the press.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
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