December 22, 2022 • 37 mins
Doug reveals what he thinks is the real truth behind Deion Sanders and his intentions when he went to Jackson State and his explanation for leaving. Former NFL Quarterback Brandon Weeden joins Doug to have a conversation about college football and NIL. Plus, Monse Bolanos takes Doug through the Thursday edition of "The Press".
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UH in like three minutes. In like three minutes, I
want to do something on UH. Dion Sanders leaving Colorado
and taking UH there their best recruit player and his
son with him, and I'll give you kind of the
What I'm gonna say is the is the real thing
what you should think and what others have been unwilling
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to say. And it is, by my estimation, it is
not only honest but also actually complimentary of Dion. But
it's just it's it's the real thing that needs to
be said, right, and we're we're refusing to do that. Okay,
before we do that quick discussion on minudo. Okay, so
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we each have like Jason, you're you're just a white guy, right,
I'm very white. I'm Scottish and English mix, right, so
kind of boring in terms of food, Now, jew food,
Jewish food, and remember like there's some ethnically Jewish food,
but also my my family is mostly Eastern European, so
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the Jewish food that is eaten is also or Eastern
European food than quote unquote Jewish food. Not all Jewish
food is delicious or what American Jewicz eat or not
what is really juicy eat, etcetera. But you don't really
it doesn't feel like there's any sort of ethnic food like, oh,
let's go out hunt and have some Scottish food. A
sentence Scottish restaurants, sentences, uh, sentences that have that have
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never been uttered before are hey, let's have some Scottish food.
On the other hand, Meskan food quite the opposite. It's amazing,
and there's all different kinds of Mexican food. Because it's
a very big country, it's actually a diverse country in
terms of the types of food, the style of food
or whatever. So you're kind of you're making yourself sound
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like an idiot if you think there's only one kind
of Mexican food and text mex is not Mexican food.
It is some sort of hybrid fusion, etcetera. I bring
it up because Manuto was a group when I was
a kid, right. It was young, good looking guy, good
good looking um like a boy band, right, And so
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I think that so on some level people think that's
what Manudo is, Like, Oh, you're talking about a boy band,
but what Minuto actually is, John Ramos, you can speak
to it because you said, Hey, I really like Minuto.
I don't know if it's a soup Minuto is. It
is a soup, it's like a it's like a stew,
and it's made with what in pig intestines. Yes, it's
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cow's stomach like pripe. Yeah, that's what they call it.
Cow's stomach cut up into little pieces and the inside
and this maybe like if you're eating lunch with John
is actually eating lunch and I disturbed it you're eating lunch.
This maybe a lot for you, but part of the
inside lighting of the stomach while if you know that's
what it is. Can be gross and also can be
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really good because it actually soaks up all the stew
and so you bite into it. If you like that,
if you if you're okay knowing you're eating the inside
of a cow's stomach, which is always weird to us, right,
or okay eating the cow muscles. Right, we're okay eating
cow livers. We're okay eating But if you say, like, oh,
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a muscular cabeza is cow head? Right, you have cabeza
on a talk, You're like, I don't know, I don't
need okay, but you're okay eating the the south end
of a northbound bowl. You're backside. Why does it? Why
do you think it matters? If two people mentally when
you say you're eating a cow's stomach and they're like,
I don't know, it's a weird one, right, Yeah, I
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hear you, Monty. Do you like No? I did. I
don't eat anything with the face anymore, so I at
one point had it. I thought it was good. Nothing
to you. Are you a vegetarian? I am a vegetarian. Yeah,
so it's been a long time since I've eaten manoutal,
but I did and I used to have like cow
tongue and tacos. Very I never had a cab stuff
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like that. But the intestines and all that, I you know,
I find it so funny that you mentioned that, Like
why are people so weird and out by that? When
it's like, yeah, you're eating a cow, you're eating a chicken.
What's like, what's the different? It's the same stuff, right exactly?
But you know people people don't people are people are weird? Weird.
They'll be like, you know what passed on that manuda,
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but grab me those chipping chicken McNuggets exactly. But you
don't even know what it have, no idea what it is,
no idea, idea. It's great point there, Stewart. Okay, Um,
all right, So so Dion is is officially at Colorado.
That's that happened a while back. Okay, we're coming to you,
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Dion leaves Jackson State. He took his son, who's the
starting quarterback. Everybody knew that was going to happen. He
through forty touchdown passes past here shedor Sanders, and we'll
see how he elevates because he wasn't was was recruited
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at what you I guess considered it um mid major level. Right,
He wasn't seen as a starter in the SEC or
starter in the big twelve Southern Mists for example, was
we known for these court documents, was recruiting him um?
And so Deon did what lots of dads would love
to do, which is like, hey, you don't think my
son is that good, I'm gonna coach a team. I'll
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start a team and you'll see how good he is.
Granted it's at a lower level, so we'll see about
his elevation. But he also he leaves behind Jackson State,
and we found news not surprising that joining him at
Jackson State was his most highly touted recruit, you know,
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his two way star from Jackson State, who we were
told or we were all told that not only was
Dion going to Jackson State for one reason, all right,
but we were also told that Travis Hunter was going
to Jackson State not for the football alone, but also
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for the culture, the cultural aspect of a historically black
college university HBCUs, and that as a white person, I
didn't understand the cultural significance of that move. Al Right,
we remember that I was. I got ratioed on Twitter
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for it. That's what happened. I got ratioed on Twitter
because I said, like, look, no one would ever say
this is a smart move for Travis Hunter in the
grand scheme of things, because Jackson State is dramatically under
fun and been comparison to Florida State, who he had
committed to for over a year, and all of the
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schools that were in his final five. The Georgia just
won natal championship. You not only are better support in
terms of UM, training, staff, weight room, UM, but your
competition is better Georgia. Every player you go against has
the potential to be draft in the NFL. Case in point,
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one of their first round draft picks last year was
a backup and he's a really good player in the NFL.
So every day in practice, you're going against pros. Every day,
every almost every game, you're going against the top level
competition being in the SEC. And while you are getting
great coaching from Dion Sanders, he's your head coach, is
not your position coach. The other part to it, and
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this was a big one to me, Like I believe
that the college experience and the people you meet and
the school that you represent, that's going to be where
you go to and football is over. If I I
have a year and a half left of my contracted
Fox Sports Radio, if my boss came to me and said, hey, look,
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end of this run, that's it, you might want to
think about it. What would I do? I would call boosters,
people who are I'm on the board of governors, friends,
people associate, my closest allies all where Orange. Maybe I
do medical sales, maybe I do local TV. Maybe I'd
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work at the university. Why because that's the family unit
you build, that's the connection you build with your university,
especially when you represent it as an athlete like Travis Hunter.
Like I was able, I was able to and I'm
not at I was never at the level of Travis
Hunter in terms of that level of recruit and he's
likely to be a first round traffick god willing. But
if you do get hurt or you're not good enough,
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or even when you do succeed and you get done
when you come back the school you go to, that
doesn't matter. But I was told I didn't get it
because I don't understand the culture and the need and
what it means to young black men. You know what.
I respect that. I understand that I was pointing out
of more of it. Just a matter of fact. No
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one would advise their kid to go to Jackson State
when they can go to Florida State or Georgia, not
for if things go If everything goes right at Jackson State,
you're first trying pick in three years, Great, what if
something goes wrong? Protect the kid and his future. That
was my only belief. Now they're all gone. Sanders is gone,
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his son is gone, and Travis is gone. Here's Dion
Sanders on Shannon Sharp's podcast. People are hurt, and UH.
When people are hurt, oftentimes their first response isn't the
response that should be given. They say things out of
the emotions and anger. But I listened because when a
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person say stuff, that's what they really feel. And I
just thought to myself, if I didn't know who I
was and where I headed, and if I didn't know
the Lord, I would believe some of those things It's
funny that when I first came and I said God
told me to come here, they didn't believe it. But
if I say, well, God said it's not for me
to go, you still don't believe it. So what do
you believe? So if you don't believe that God has
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his hands on us, something's wrong with you, because you've
got this. I could have done this by myself. I
had a wonderful coaching staff for a wonderful a d
who allowed me to do the things that we're able
to accomplish. But it's no way we could have done
those things without being lit by all Right, okay um.
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And I'll say this about Dabbo saying, and he said
yesterday that we we we built us a name, image
and likeness was the name, image and likeness of God.
When I'm critical of people using God as their answer
as their reason, it's not me making a mockery of God.
It's Dion making a mockery of God. It's Dabbo. And
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I under I understand. I don't live in the South.
I have spent time and lived in the South or Southwest,
whatever you consider, Oklahoma a good portion of my life.
So I understand that the that's more an appeal to
families and kids and parents and church and whatever, and
God's telling you to come here or whatever. But just
be honest, I think it's making a mockery of of God.
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Because the idea that God wants to help you with
all your problems is great, but the idea that God's
gonna go Hey, Dion, I'm thinking Jackson State. Then in
a couple of years, Colorado. Yeah, Colorado. Now that one,
that one strikes me as really making a mockery of
something that you shouldn't make a mockery of. But regardless, Okay,
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a couple of things for the record. One, I was right,
and I'm continue to be right, and Dion keeps telling
me I'm right because my thing has always been the
underfunding of h b c US overall makes it so
that you would never go to play there if unless
you had to, unless you had to, or maybe your
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parents went there, and it's close. It's about everyone saying
go to HBCUs. Dudes. The only guy who's actually doing
the right thing Chris Paul, who, by the way, got
his degree from North Carolina A and T and donates
millions of dollars to it because he understands what I learned,
which is like basketball coaches at HBCUs, they're not just
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basketball coach. They've gotta be counselors, they gotta help with academics,
they got all this other stuff to do. They're completely overworked.
They don't have nearly the resources. And when you don't
have the resources in your stretch, thin things fall through
the cracks. Players fall through the cracks. But but Dion
did a great job. So the second part is and
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make sure that that when we put this out be
ended an amazing job. He, by the way, brought attention
to the fact that HBCUs were undefronted. He brought attention
to the fact that there's this vibrant culture out there
which exists, and most of us don't pay any attention
to it, not because we don't like it or not
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comfortable with it, but because it's not top level football,
so we don't care unless it's the best of the
best of the best. Do you understand, It's like it's
like maction, Like Matt football is fun, it's just not
that good because the yers aren't dead good. That's all.
That's why we put it on Tuesday nights. And Wednesday
nights now on Saturdays because against the SEC, no one
would watch. But Deon Sanders did an amazing job as
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a football coach, an amazing job as an attention getter,
and built up and in Jackson State now Jackson State football.
It's going to be like an Olympic city after the Olympics.
Why the hell we build this? Why why do we
build this football facility when Dion's not here? So nobody
people don't care. Dion took the Colorado job, which all
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of us would have taken. Color is a damn good job.
Denver's a continues to be a growing market. All right,
you go to California, you can recruit Texas, he can
recruit anywhere. Plus they just want to be good and
they're willing to give him the keys to the kingdom.
So this is not me being critical of Dion taking
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the job. It's not me being critical of the job
that Dion did, or the job of recruiting Travis Hunter,
or the job of of elevating his son, allowing his
son to start. No, I'm not critical of any of that.
That's his vision and he has seen it through and
now he's at a place where I don't know if
you can win a national championship, but you can be
competitive and pretty quickly. And I also agree Danny Cannell
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joined US earlier. He said he's more than He's not
a Carnival Barker. He's actually a really good football coach.
I agree. To be a college football coach, you have
to the media and recruits and bring an attention program
to generate n I l that's a gigantic portion of
what you do. And he knows football and he's hired
out of If you've seen his staff, he's foot together.
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A lot of his staff he brought from other HBC
use why because they don't make money and he respects
him as football coaches and they can do all the
things that he doesn't have time or the desire to do.
And they'll be loyal to him because he's paying them
more than they made previously. But it was never about
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anything other than Dion Sanders. You understand that it was
never I'm sorry, HBCUs, it was never about you. You
were a means to an end, which is okay, with
the exception of the fact that Dion gets very defensive
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and supporters of them get well, you're just hating him,
No not. I would have taken the job too, and
winning it. Doing what he did at Jackson State is amazing.
In short order, they became a dominant program at that level. Hey,
And they had the only advantage they had was they
had Dion Sanders who got attention and help raise some
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money and gave him his own money. And they had
they became They became a dominant power in short time
because they had better players than everybody else. And the
challenge will be at Colorado Like, as long as you
have seas in the pack, you're not gonna have the
best players in the league. But if you can get
competitive and he's a good coach and your son can play,
you'll be right there. No reason you can't because you'll
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have the recruiting advantage will have will not be location,
It will be you f Don and nobody else does.
But you know what that's not about. That's not about
the HBC used do I I was lectured for a
month or two months. You don't get it. You don't
understand the culture's significance. Well, if I don't, then Dion
doesn't either, and Shador doesn't and Travis Hunn. You were
all snowed. Yeah, you were all snowed. Deon didn't recruit
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Travis Hunter out of some altruism trying to bring a
kid and teach him this culture. He took him from
Florida State, who wouldn't hire him even though he's arguably
the greatest player to ever play there, maybe in arguably,
And they wouldn't hire him because and he had a
prep school, and there was all kinds of questions about
how that thing ended in the finances, and he had
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to take a head coaching job to establish that he
could do it, and there would be there, there wouldn't
be the level of chaos that was assumed at Prime Prep.
You were told a bunch of lies for a very
reasonable story of success in college football coaching. Superstar athlete
comes back and again, this is not This is not
Clyde Drexler who doesn't want to do the work right.
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There's the famous story of Clyde Drexler when he's the
head coach of the Houston Cougars, where he was told
the game time was at seven oh five and they
didn't know where he was, and at seven oh four
he walked down into the arena and was ready for introductions.
That's not Dion. Dion actually works. He wants to be great.
He wants to kill everybody. He wants to win a
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national championship. He wants his son to win the Heisman.
That's what he wants. And there was a benefit to
Jackson State. There was a benefit to HBCUs. But you
were told that was the reason, and it wasn't. You
were lied to. I refused to lie to you. Refuse.
I will not tell you it's about something that it
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wasn't about. It wasn't about the HBCUs. Because if you
actually listen to Dion, the reason he goes God is
because when you have something which you really can't explain
with truths, it's a very easy fallback to go God
told me, right, because when somebody says God to you, like,
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how are you gonna argue with that? Because if you
argue with God told you, then you become anti religion,
anti God, You become some sort of vilified atheist, which
I am not. Dion did a great job. He brought
attention to a dramatically underfunded UH series of schools that
are a vibrant part of a culture. But it was
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the reason he told you time and again and made
others say it was all about the cultural aspect of it. No,
it wasn't. That was a side benefit and him leaving
and taking players with him. Wait, so it's not important
to Travis Hunnard too for the culture anymore. None of
that's important anymore. Which is it? It's brilliant, It's just
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let's let's welcome in Brandon Wheeden. He joins this of
course every week. Mary Christmas to you, Brandon. Um okay, Uh.
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Cowboys taken on the Eagles. Um, how does it affect
them if Gardner Minshu is the quarterback as opposed to
Jail and Hurts. Oh, I mean, game playing wise, it
will probably be a little different, right. I mean, you know,
you don't have a guy that can, you know, uses
uses that polticism run around and make plays. But you know,
the Cowboy's defense and it will will beat up in
the secondary. Haven't been playing very well on the side
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of the ball where you know, just you know, six
eight weeks ago, they're pretty dominant, So I just think
they got to get back to what they're good at,
you know, running the football, play action with Dak score,
you know, scoring points. Colling Mortar, I think it's done
a great job calling plays, But I'm a defensive side
of the ball. They've gotta they gotta do what they
came to harass. Gardner mentioned then put pressure on they
just you know, but blow that lead last week against
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Jacksonville the way they did and to losing the fast
and they did is is kind of a gut punch.
So they gotta get back contract their account team. Um,
they've got a funny way to overcome some of those
injuries and get it done. But this is this is
a big game. I mean, it's kind of a huge
break for him that that Jalen Hurts will will not
be in there. Well, I it's a question is it
a huge break form? And I ask it not because
Jalen hasn't had an incredible season and isn't a good player.
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But I wonder about preparing for a guy who's very,
very different. Right, you don't have tape on what they're
gonna do in this offense this year, and you know
it's again like if you're gonna you're not gonna be
as good a runners Jalen hurt who is a great runner,
he's also become a good thrower, but he would stand
a reason that Gardner will throw more. And they have
Davante Smith, they have a J. Brown. They got dudes
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to throw too as well. I just wonder if it's
not actually more difficult because you don't have to take
to prep for it. Yeah, I mean, I on the
same same but at the same time, I mean, you know,
Pardner Minshus, He's an athletic dude. He can make plays.
I'm not I'm not just counting what he can do.
And they've got a ton of weapons. I mean that
the receiving corps their backs and they've got it the
weapons all over the Still, i think they have like
six or seven Pro Bowlers on offense. So you know
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that's that's enough in itself. But you know, my if
I'm calling the defense, you know, for the Cowboys, I'm
gonna play zone. I'm gonna take a J. Brown and
play a bunch of split safety too deep coverage, take
Damante Smith and a J. Brown out of it, and
force him to run the football and play his own coverage.
I'm not playing a ton a ton of man against
in just because you know, for a guy that hadn't
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had a bunch of reps. He hadn't played this year.
You know, if I see a bunch of single high
man coverage, I'm I'm looking my chops because you know,
those guys are gonna win those one on one matchups
and they're gonna, you know, they're gonna be favorable matchup,
especially outside. So I'm gonna play his zone, force him
to you know, complete balls underneath. You be patient because
he's an aggressive quarterback. He wants to take shots, he
wants to get those chunk plays. And the way to
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kind of the gate that is is a play a
bunch of two deep zone and forced him to you know,
have those twelve fourteen play drives and and that's sometimes
that gets that gets brustrat against quarterback. So um and
Dallas does. I mean, nan Quinn does play quite a
bit of his zone. He's a single high guy. But
I think he's gonna have to make some split safety
and you know, let their front, you know, let those
linebackers run and let that funt you know, get after
Gardener Minshew to stop the run. But it's it's gonna
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be a tall task, I think, Dallas, there's not a
perfect spot. It's a perfect spot for them to get
back on track. Um, even with all the weapons do
you have at them and they're loaded, They've got some
dudes everywhere, so, um, it's gonna if I'm getting watch.
It makes you see how they kind of how they
go at each other. I want to ask you about
the the n I L stuff, because, Um, even though
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you were obviously older when you did finish up. I mean, look,
whether it was you or or Dez Bryant back in
the day or whatever, like you go back to when
you guys came out your last year, you could have left.
They could have been a bidding war and you could
have gone to a different school. Um, I guess I
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wonder how do you look at it now as a
grown up retired quarterback. Yeah, I mean it's it's tricky, right,
Like I would, I never saw myself. I mean I
never looked outside of Okoma State. I mean I never
I mean it was obviously different rules back then, but
and I can't imagine myself on the league. I mean,
especially after the year we had my junior year and
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all the excitement we had coming back to my senior year.
I mean, there was so many so much expectation, so
much pressure that we put on ourselves, and we had
all the makings have a special year, so you know,
um from a transfer portal stamp. I mean, I can't
imagine that a ton of guys would have left. Just
with the nucleus of guys we had, we had, we
had a pretty good thing going. You know. The n
I l things obviously, UM interesting. I mean, I would
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have liked to think that, you know, guys like myself
and Justin Blackman and a bunch of the other guys
whore on that team that made it so good. Um,
you know, would have capitalized. And I think, as much
as I dislike what's going on in college football, I
I'm all four guys getting compensated. I'm all four guys
getting taken care of. Um. I just think with the
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lack of parameters and the lack of regulations that go on,
and these guys can come and go as they please,
that you're basically signed a one year contract and you
can get paid as much as much as you want.
There's no there's no okay, so so so, but but
this is this is interesting, right, So for people who
don't know you have a regular, real job, now right, Okay,
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you met medical device sales? Correct, Okay, so had you
left again, let's just use you don't use anybody else's example.
You know, and you weren't broke, but and you've made
some money play in pro baseball. But yeah, and made
a ton of money. And you know that year you
end up going to a Fiesta Bowl and winning it.
But could have gone to any of these other schools. Again,
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it was that you could have been offered a million
dollars and Oaklema State could have said, we just we
don't have a million dollars. You know, we gotta play
Black Been to stay, We gotta play all these other
guys to stay. And hey, we gave you a shot
when no one else gave you a shot, regardless of
how true that is or not right because you kind
of showed up for them and then you were third
string and then kind of almost luck and happenstance gave
you that opportunity. Then you took advantage of it. But
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how would your life be different now in terms of
where did you live, how you work, how would you be?
You know you're from Oklahoma City, but I don't know
if you would have been You've been welcomed back, but
it would have been the same in terms of getting
a regular medical device sales job. Yeah, no, I know,
I notice saying. I mean, well, I mean I get
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any one to use myself. But I mean, you know,
if uh, at the time, you know, Alabama comes and
we're gonna be three million dollars and play one year
at Alabama, I'm out. I mean, Oklahoma State cat match
that I'm going. I mean, three million dollars for a
kid is a bunch of money in a in a
heck of a head start on lives. I I understand, okay,
but but I guess I'm and I'm asking you and
(27:36):
if you're still out, if that's your answer, that's okay, Okay,
I would but is and let's let's say, like, look,
let's say there, I don't know if you could get
three but let's say it's it's two million dollars and
Oklahoma State says, hey, we can, we can go like
seven fifty. That's all we got is seven fifty. So
is is loyalty worth that disparity and pay for a
(27:58):
longer term thing or the reality is nobody's really that
loyal doesn't matter that much, not gonna help you that
much to be an Oklahoma State guy through and through.
That's that's tough. I mean, you know, given circumstances with
the team that we had. Um you know, if if
Oklahoma State would have offered me seven fift a million dollars,
I probably would have stayed just because I knew we
had a chance to compete for to win the big one.
(28:20):
And I knew if we had a chance to go
compete for a big one, I stayed healthy and I
had the year that I end up having, I had
a pretty good chance to be a top first or
second round pick, which at the end of the day,
that's that's real money. That's real money, right Like that's
where you don't make real money. And so you know,
that's what I think a lot of these guys. You know,
the nil SI's nice to give you a nice start,
(28:40):
but if you want to make real money, go to
the NFL get that second contract. Now that is set
your family up for money. You know, that's that's a
different But at the same time, you have an opportunity
to go to a place that is gonna make you
have a better opportunity to get that money. If you
can go from a smaller school to a bigger school
that has a better program. Then I think you gotta
you gotta do special for your future. But you know,
(29:02):
there's I saw a deal and there's there's a bunch
of guys in the portal. Now they still haven't landed
on our feet. And that's what I worry about. You know,
these guys are leaving these opportunities to places that that
are they really better one? And then two? Are they
really gonna get that many opportunities? You know that they
may have left around, they may have left something that
you know could have been an good opportunity for him,
and and now they're kind of left empty handed. So it's, man,
(29:23):
it's it's tough. And until you're in these guys shoes,
it's it's you know, you never know what's going on.
You never know they you know, butt heads with their coordinator,
quarterback coach, the head coach sucks. You know, they just
don't want to listen and look. Sometimes sometimes that the
coaches don't want them back. Guys are in the portal
because the coaches they're like, uh, yet, go you should
go and explore the portal. See what, see what? See what?
(29:44):
That's like, uh, last thing here, we've seen Brockford. You
saw a bunch of college You obviously know what the
diners do. How does that look in the play A
lot of things are like really around the line of
scrimmage in terms of throwing not throwing the ball deep
offen but been really really effective. How do you think
that looks in the playoffs? Man? I think it works.
I mean, you know the playoffs. You do think it
(30:04):
works or don't? I couldn't hear you. I do, Yes,
I think I think it works. I mean, he's he's
shown that he can. You know, I hate the word
manage it, but I mean he's he's Manag's got a
great run game, he's got the best defensive football. He's
got a bunch of weapons on the outside. He's not
turned the ball over, he's stowing the ball accurately. He's
got a great system to play acts and get him
outside the pocket. He doesn't have to stand back there
and take a three step drop from the shotgun and
(30:26):
go through, you know, to three progressions. He's they're making
it pretty simple for him. Again, he doesn't have to
score points to win. He goes out and scores four
points with that run game. You can rely on the
defense and that's gonna win this time of the year
nine times out of ten. So I like the chances
he's playing. Awesome, great story. I'm pulling for him, um,
but I mean one an opportunity for him to take
(30:49):
over that team and and all the weapons and the
pieces they have, and they've got a heck of shot
to go go make a run at it. But I
have a merry Christmas. I love talking football with you.
Look forward to hearing what your thoughts are in this
Cowboys Eagles game. It's a good one, plus all these
college footballb ball games. Thanks so much for joining us.
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The new guys are so cute, but you could be
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I want to say that I agree with you. Wings
that are nuggets are not wings. They're nuggets. They're not right, right.
That was the one. That's the one thing I missed
(32:14):
the most. It's becoming a vegetarian. Are buffalo wings in
a bone, not a nugget, not a boneless little tender.
That's what I missed the most. Any Who, uh tof
wings anody. Everybody's like, oh yeah, yeah, there's so there's
so many good options. Now even that's it. We're fighting
(32:35):
after this. That's it. You chose violence waking up today. Okay, listen,
I'm old to remember when nobody liked russel sprouts and cauliflower,
and now they found ways to make them where everybody well,
that's I mean, that's the point with meat anyway, it's
all the flavors. It's the same thing with veggies. It's
all the flavors that make it good. I gave you
a piece of cow that hasn't been cooked in anything,
(32:55):
you wouldn't want it. Well, it hasn't been cooked at all. Yeah,
like if I just gave you. All Right, Doug, let's
talk about Christmas gifts because some NFL players are pulling
out all the stops, all right, Aaron Rodgers, Jared Alexander,
(33:16):
Adrian Amos. They gifted their Packer teammates twenty two of
their Packard teammates electric scooters for the holidays, and this
is a trend. They're not the only ones. Josh Allen,
Bill Stark. He also bought eleven rides for his offensive lineman,
and so did quarterback of the Jets, Zack Wilson. Now,
(33:37):
Zack Wilson and the Packers scooters are black. They look playing,
they look boring. Josh Allen, he went he went big
or went home, That's what he was thinking. They are
in Bill's colors, and each of them has the player's
jersey and number, while the other ones are just black.
But they're all fat rides. It's the brand of the scooters.
They hold about four hundred pounds, so even the big
(33:58):
boys can ride them, no problem. Uh, they cost about
thirty five hundred dollars. Why, I don't know. These guys
don't haven't gotten the e bike generation that everybody around
here has got the bikes. I don't you want any bike.
I don't have any bike. Have two of them? Really,
they're amazing, are they? I mean they're basically mopeds electric.
But don't say their moped because I'll tell you off
(34:19):
air of the thing that guys say about moped. Okay,
but I think the winner, if we're gonna pick the
best NFL gift I've seen so far, it's got to
go to Isaiah Mackenzie of the Bills, because he getted
his fellow receivers like Stefon Diggs and Gabe Davis. Custom
arcade game machines like the old school, like the Big
(34:40):
Ones where you put in twenty five cents to play
Giant Ones. They're decked out in Bill's colors. Gabe Davis
has a video on his social media there decked out
in Bill's colors with the players names and jerseys. It
looks like kind of like a locker you what's your
favorite old school video game? Pac Man? But I also didn't,
uh sure, sure, either or what. There's a difference. There's
(35:02):
a difference. I don't Yeah, I like them both. And
also Street Fighter street Fighter two was it too? Yeah?
That one was awesome. I love that game. I wish
I could still play. I mean I sometimes play. You know,
you didn't say dig Doug, No no. And then in
the video you can hear the players asking mackenzie if
(35:22):
it comes equipped with NFL Blitz, and then he's like
game and it also has over nine thousand, six hundred games,
like amazing, probably weighs a thousand pounds though out there
and pressed that was the press. Those are those are cool?
You guys still got time? You can't do the online
(35:44):
gift shopping near this much Amazon? You can still do,
but still gift shopping your do? Uh, tomorrow, we're doing
the Dan Patrick Show tomorrow and Monday. Right, we're doing
bet Dan Patricks that right, all of us that all
of us are doing tomorrow. Ramas, are you okay getting
up that early morning? I was told I had to
be here before six, so you had to be here
before say otherwise it doesn't actually matter if I'm here
because none of us know how any of those buttons work.
(36:07):
That's good. It is interesting that everyone can kind of
do what I can do. Maybe not as good, but
I can do what I can do. No one can
do what you can. Tell that to the hierarch. I
love that you need to do. You need that. That's
by by the way, that's why the whole idea of
dudes holding out and people like, yeah you should lamar
Jack should not play the rest of you to get
(36:27):
a new contract like we're in real life? Does that
actually work? Where you don't show up for a job
that you're being paid for and you expect to be
paid more for a job in the future if you
refuse to work. Um, okay, so the pod is gonna
drop top of the hour. I think you really like it.
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I do know, I do know that one thing this
is a constant and like, honestly like gives me balance.
(37:11):
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UH in like three minutes. In like three minutes, I
want to do something on UH. Dion Sanders leaving Colorado
and taking UH there their best recruit player and his
son with him, and I'll give you kind of the
What I'm gonna say is the is the real thing
what you should think and what others have been unwilling
(01:11):
to say. And it is, by my estimation, it is
not only honest but also actually complimentary of Dion. But
it's just it's it's the real thing that needs to
be said, right, and we're we're refusing to do that. Okay,
before we do that quick discussion on minudo. Okay, so
(01:34):
we each have like Jason, you're you're just a white guy, right,
I'm very white. I'm Scottish and English mix, right, so
kind of boring in terms of food, Now, jew food,
Jewish food, and remember like there's some ethnically Jewish food,
but also my my family is mostly Eastern European, so
(01:57):
the Jewish food that is eaten is also or Eastern
European food than quote unquote Jewish food. Not all Jewish
food is delicious or what American Jewicz eat or not
what is really juicy eat, etcetera. But you don't really
it doesn't feel like there's any sort of ethnic food like, oh,
let's go out hunt and have some Scottish food. A
sentence Scottish restaurants, sentences, uh, sentences that have that have
(02:22):
never been uttered before are hey, let's have some Scottish food.
On the other hand, Meskan food quite the opposite. It's amazing,
and there's all different kinds of Mexican food. Because it's
a very big country, it's actually a diverse country in
terms of the types of food, the style of food
or whatever. So you're kind of you're making yourself sound
(02:44):
like an idiot if you think there's only one kind
of Mexican food and text mex is not Mexican food.
It is some sort of hybrid fusion, etcetera. I bring
it up because Manuto was a group when I was
a kid, right. It was young, good looking guy, good
good looking um like a boy band, right, And so
(03:06):
I think that so on some level people think that's
what Manudo is, Like, Oh, you're talking about a boy band,
but what Minuto actually is, John Ramos, you can speak
to it because you said, Hey, I really like Minuto.
I don't know if it's a soup Minuto is. It
is a soup, it's like a it's like a stew,
and it's made with what in pig intestines. Yes, it's
(03:28):
cow's stomach like pripe. Yeah, that's what they call it.
Cow's stomach cut up into little pieces and the inside
and this maybe like if you're eating lunch with John
is actually eating lunch and I disturbed it you're eating lunch.
This maybe a lot for you, but part of the
inside lighting of the stomach while if you know that's
what it is. Can be gross and also can be
(03:49):
really good because it actually soaks up all the stew
and so you bite into it. If you like that,
if you if you're okay knowing you're eating the inside
of a cow's stomach, which is always weird to us, right,
or okay eating the cow muscles. Right, we're okay eating
cow livers. We're okay eating But if you say, like, oh,
(04:09):
a muscular cabeza is cow head? Right, you have cabeza
on a talk, You're like, I don't know, I don't
need okay, but you're okay eating the the south end
of a northbound bowl. You're backside. Why does it? Why
do you think it matters? If two people mentally when
you say you're eating a cow's stomach and they're like,
I don't know, it's a weird one, right, Yeah, I
(04:30):
hear you, Monty. Do you like No? I did. I
don't eat anything with the face anymore, so I at
one point had it. I thought it was good. Nothing
to you. Are you a vegetarian? I am a vegetarian. Yeah,
so it's been a long time since I've eaten manoutal,
but I did and I used to have like cow
tongue and tacos. Very I never had a cab stuff
(04:53):
like that. But the intestines and all that, I you know,
I find it so funny that you mentioned that, Like
why are people so weird and out by that? When
it's like, yeah, you're eating a cow, you're eating a chicken.
What's like, what's the different? It's the same stuff, right exactly?
But you know people people don't people are people are weird? Weird.
They'll be like, you know what passed on that manuda,
(05:13):
but grab me those chipping chicken McNuggets exactly. But you
don't even know what it have, no idea what it is,
no idea, idea. It's great point there, Stewart. Okay, Um,
all right, So so Dion is is officially at Colorado.
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Dion leaves Jackson State. He took his son, who's the
starting quarterback. Everybody knew that was going to happen. He
through forty touchdown passes past here shedor Sanders, and we'll
see how he elevates because he wasn't was was recruited
(05:57):
at what you I guess considered it um mid major level. Right,
He wasn't seen as a starter in the SEC or
starter in the big twelve Southern Mists for example, was
we known for these court documents, was recruiting him um?
And so Deon did what lots of dads would love
to do, which is like, hey, you don't think my
son is that good, I'm gonna coach a team. I'll
(06:18):
start a team and you'll see how good he is.
Granted it's at a lower level, so we'll see about
his elevation. But he also he leaves behind Jackson State,
and we found news not surprising that joining him at
Jackson State was his most highly touted recruit, you know,
(06:40):
his two way star from Jackson State, who we were
told or we were all told that not only was
Dion going to Jackson State for one reason, all right,
but we were also told that Travis Hunter was going
to Jackson State not for the football alone, but also
(07:03):
for the culture, the cultural aspect of a historically black
college university HBCUs, and that as a white person, I
didn't understand the cultural significance of that move. Al Right,
we remember that I was. I got ratioed on Twitter
(07:26):
for it. That's what happened. I got ratioed on Twitter
because I said, like, look, no one would ever say
this is a smart move for Travis Hunter in the
grand scheme of things, because Jackson State is dramatically under
fun and been comparison to Florida State, who he had
committed to for over a year, and all of the
(07:47):
schools that were in his final five. The Georgia just
won natal championship. You not only are better support in
terms of UM, training, staff, weight room, UM, but your
competition is better Georgia. Every player you go against has
the potential to be draft in the NFL. Case in point,
(08:08):
one of their first round draft picks last year was
a backup and he's a really good player in the NFL.
So every day in practice, you're going against pros. Every day,
every almost every game, you're going against the top level
competition being in the SEC. And while you are getting
great coaching from Dion Sanders, he's your head coach, is
not your position coach. The other part to it, and
(08:32):
this was a big one to me, Like I believe
that the college experience and the people you meet and
the school that you represent, that's going to be where
you go to and football is over. If I I
have a year and a half left of my contracted
Fox Sports Radio, if my boss came to me and said, hey, look,
(08:53):
end of this run, that's it, you might want to
think about it. What would I do? I would call boosters,
people who are I'm on the board of governors, friends,
people associate, my closest allies all where Orange. Maybe I
do medical sales, maybe I do local TV. Maybe I'd
(09:14):
work at the university. Why because that's the family unit
you build, that's the connection you build with your university,
especially when you represent it as an athlete like Travis Hunter.
Like I was able, I was able to and I'm
not at I was never at the level of Travis
Hunter in terms of that level of recruit and he's
likely to be a first round traffick god willing. But
if you do get hurt or you're not good enough,
(09:35):
or even when you do succeed and you get done
when you come back the school you go to, that
doesn't matter. But I was told I didn't get it
because I don't understand the culture and the need and
what it means to young black men. You know what.
I respect that. I understand that I was pointing out
of more of it. Just a matter of fact. No
(09:55):
one would advise their kid to go to Jackson State
when they can go to Florida State or Georgia, not
for if things go If everything goes right at Jackson State,
you're first trying pick in three years, Great, what if
something goes wrong? Protect the kid and his future. That
was my only belief. Now they're all gone. Sanders is gone,
(10:16):
his son is gone, and Travis is gone. Here's Dion
Sanders on Shannon Sharp's podcast. People are hurt, and UH.
When people are hurt, oftentimes their first response isn't the
response that should be given. They say things out of
the emotions and anger. But I listened because when a
(10:37):
person say stuff, that's what they really feel. And I
just thought to myself, if I didn't know who I
was and where I headed, and if I didn't know
the Lord, I would believe some of those things It's
funny that when I first came and I said God
told me to come here, they didn't believe it. But
if I say, well, God said it's not for me
to go, you still don't believe it. So what do
you believe? So if you don't believe that God has
(10:58):
his hands on us, something's wrong with you, because you've
got this. I could have done this by myself. I
had a wonderful coaching staff for a wonderful a d
who allowed me to do the things that we're able
to accomplish. But it's no way we could have done
those things without being lit by all Right, okay um.
(11:18):
And I'll say this about Dabbo saying, and he said
yesterday that we we we built us a name, image
and likeness was the name, image and likeness of God.
When I'm critical of people using God as their answer
as their reason, it's not me making a mockery of God.
It's Dion making a mockery of God. It's Dabbo. And
(11:41):
I under I understand. I don't live in the South.
I have spent time and lived in the South or Southwest,
whatever you consider, Oklahoma a good portion of my life.
So I understand that the that's more an appeal to
families and kids and parents and church and whatever, and
God's telling you to come here or whatever. But just
be honest, I think it's making a mockery of of God.
(12:02):
Because the idea that God wants to help you with
all your problems is great, but the idea that God's
gonna go Hey, Dion, I'm thinking Jackson State. Then in
a couple of years, Colorado. Yeah, Colorado. Now that one,
that one strikes me as really making a mockery of
something that you shouldn't make a mockery of. But regardless, Okay,
(12:24):
a couple of things for the record. One, I was right,
and I'm continue to be right, and Dion keeps telling
me I'm right because my thing has always been the
underfunding of h b c US overall makes it so
that you would never go to play there if unless
you had to, unless you had to, or maybe your
(12:45):
parents went there, and it's close. It's about everyone saying
go to HBCUs. Dudes. The only guy who's actually doing
the right thing Chris Paul, who, by the way, got
his degree from North Carolina A and T and donates
millions of dollars to it because he understands what I learned,
which is like basketball coaches at HBCUs, they're not just
(13:07):
basketball coach. They've gotta be counselors, they gotta help with academics,
they got all this other stuff to do. They're completely overworked.
They don't have nearly the resources. And when you don't
have the resources in your stretch, thin things fall through
the cracks. Players fall through the cracks. But but Dion
did a great job. So the second part is and
(13:28):
make sure that that when we put this out be
ended an amazing job. He, by the way, brought attention
to the fact that HBCUs were undefronted. He brought attention
to the fact that there's this vibrant culture out there
which exists, and most of us don't pay any attention
to it, not because we don't like it or not
(13:49):
comfortable with it, but because it's not top level football,
so we don't care unless it's the best of the
best of the best. Do you understand, It's like it's
like maction, Like Matt football is fun, it's just not
that good because the yers aren't dead good. That's all.
That's why we put it on Tuesday nights. And Wednesday
nights now on Saturdays because against the SEC, no one
would watch. But Deon Sanders did an amazing job as
(14:10):
a football coach, an amazing job as an attention getter,
and built up and in Jackson State now Jackson State football.
It's going to be like an Olympic city after the Olympics.
Why the hell we build this? Why why do we
build this football facility when Dion's not here? So nobody
people don't care. Dion took the Colorado job, which all
(14:31):
of us would have taken. Color is a damn good job.
Denver's a continues to be a growing market. All right,
you go to California, you can recruit Texas, he can
recruit anywhere. Plus they just want to be good and
they're willing to give him the keys to the kingdom.
So this is not me being critical of Dion taking
(14:51):
the job. It's not me being critical of the job
that Dion did, or the job of recruiting Travis Hunter,
or the job of of elevating his son, allowing his
son to start. No, I'm not critical of any of that.
That's his vision and he has seen it through and
now he's at a place where I don't know if
you can win a national championship, but you can be
competitive and pretty quickly. And I also agree Danny Cannell
(15:13):
joined US earlier. He said he's more than He's not
a Carnival Barker. He's actually a really good football coach.
I agree. To be a college football coach, you have
to the media and recruits and bring an attention program
to generate n I l that's a gigantic portion of
what you do. And he knows football and he's hired
out of If you've seen his staff, he's foot together.
(15:34):
A lot of his staff he brought from other HBC
use why because they don't make money and he respects
him as football coaches and they can do all the
things that he doesn't have time or the desire to do.
And they'll be loyal to him because he's paying them
more than they made previously. But it was never about
(15:55):
anything other than Dion Sanders. You understand that it was
never I'm sorry, HBCUs, it was never about you. You
were a means to an end, which is okay, with
the exception of the fact that Dion gets very defensive
(16:17):
and supporters of them get well, you're just hating him,
No not. I would have taken the job too, and
winning it. Doing what he did at Jackson State is amazing.
In short order, they became a dominant program at that level. Hey,
And they had the only advantage they had was they
had Dion Sanders who got attention and help raise some
(16:37):
money and gave him his own money. And they had
they became They became a dominant power in short time
because they had better players than everybody else. And the
challenge will be at Colorado Like, as long as you
have seas in the pack, you're not gonna have the
best players in the league. But if you can get
competitive and he's a good coach and your son can play,
you'll be right there. No reason you can't because you'll
(16:58):
have the recruiting advantage will have will not be location,
It will be you f Don and nobody else does.
But you know what that's not about. That's not about
the HBC used do I I was lectured for a
month or two months. You don't get it. You don't
understand the culture's significance. Well, if I don't, then Dion
doesn't either, and Shador doesn't and Travis Hunn. You were
all snowed. Yeah, you were all snowed. Deon didn't recruit
(17:25):
Travis Hunter out of some altruism trying to bring a
kid and teach him this culture. He took him from
Florida State, who wouldn't hire him even though he's arguably
the greatest player to ever play there, maybe in arguably,
And they wouldn't hire him because and he had a
prep school, and there was all kinds of questions about
how that thing ended in the finances, and he had
(17:45):
to take a head coaching job to establish that he
could do it, and there would be there, there wouldn't
be the level of chaos that was assumed at Prime Prep.
You were told a bunch of lies for a very
reasonable story of success in college football coaching. Superstar athlete
comes back and again, this is not This is not
Clyde Drexler who doesn't want to do the work right.
(18:09):
There's the famous story of Clyde Drexler when he's the
head coach of the Houston Cougars, where he was told
the game time was at seven oh five and they
didn't know where he was, and at seven oh four
he walked down into the arena and was ready for introductions.
That's not Dion. Dion actually works. He wants to be great.
He wants to kill everybody. He wants to win a
(18:31):
national championship. He wants his son to win the Heisman.
That's what he wants. And there was a benefit to
Jackson State. There was a benefit to HBCUs. But you
were told that was the reason, and it wasn't. You
were lied to. I refused to lie to you. Refuse.
I will not tell you it's about something that it
(18:52):
wasn't about. It wasn't about the HBCUs. Because if you
actually listen to Dion, the reason he goes God is
because when you have something which you really can't explain
with truths, it's a very easy fallback to go God
told me, right, because when somebody says God to you, like,
(19:12):
how are you gonna argue with that? Because if you
argue with God told you, then you become anti religion,
anti God, You become some sort of vilified atheist, which
I am not. Dion did a great job. He brought
attention to a dramatically underfunded UH series of schools that
are a vibrant part of a culture. But it was
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the reason he told you time and again and made
others say it was all about the cultural aspect of it. No,
it wasn't. That was a side benefit and him leaving
and taking players with him. Wait, so it's not important
to Travis Hunnard too for the culture anymore. None of
that's important anymore. Which is it? It's brilliant, It's just
(20:02):
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(20:24):
don't know, says Chris Paul Graduer from Winston Salem State.
That's where a big House Gains used to coach. But
he's from That's where Chris Paul's from. Not North carolints
given a bunch of money North Carolin te So this
is the clean that stuffs up? Who is this? This is?
I don't know this Christmas song? It is Kelly Clarkson,
A couple of big her and Carry Underwater. The American
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let's let's welcome in Brandon Wheeden. He joins this of
course every week. Mary Christmas to you, Brandon. Um okay, Uh.
(21:07):
Cowboys taken on the Eagles. Um, how does it affect
them if Gardner Minshu is the quarterback as opposed to
Jail and Hurts. Oh, I mean, game playing wise, it
will probably be a little different, right. I mean, you know,
you don't have a guy that can, you know, uses
uses that polticism run around and make plays. But you know,
the Cowboy's defense and it will will beat up in
the secondary. Haven't been playing very well on the side
(21:29):
of the ball where you know, just you know, six
eight weeks ago, they're pretty dominant, So I just think
they got to get back to what they're good at,
you know, running the football, play action with Dak score,
you know, scoring points. Colling Mortar, I think it's done
a great job calling plays, But I'm a defensive side
of the ball. They've gotta they gotta do what they
came to harass. Gardner mentioned then put pressure on they
just you know, but blow that lead last week against
(21:50):
Jacksonville the way they did and to losing the fast
and they did is is kind of a gut punch.
So they gotta get back contract their account team. Um,
they've got a funny way to overcome some of those
injuries and get it done. But this is this is
a big game. I mean, it's kind of a huge
break for him that that Jalen Hurts will will not
be in there. Well, I it's a question is it
a huge break form? And I ask it not because
Jalen hasn't had an incredible season and isn't a good player.
(22:13):
But I wonder about preparing for a guy who's very,
very different. Right, you don't have tape on what they're
gonna do in this offense this year, and you know
it's again like if you're gonna you're not gonna be
as good a runners Jalen hurt who is a great runner,
he's also become a good thrower, but he would stand
a reason that Gardner will throw more. And they have
Davante Smith, they have a J. Brown. They got dudes
(22:35):
to throw too as well. I just wonder if it's
not actually more difficult because you don't have to take
to prep for it. Yeah, I mean, I on the
same same but at the same time, I mean, you know,
Pardner Minshus, He's an athletic dude. He can make plays.
I'm not I'm not just counting what he can do.
And they've got a ton of weapons. I mean that
the receiving corps their backs and they've got it the
weapons all over the Still, i think they have like
six or seven Pro Bowlers on offense. So you know
(22:57):
that's that's enough in itself. But you know, my if
I'm calling the defense, you know, for the Cowboys, I'm
gonna play zone. I'm gonna take a J. Brown and
play a bunch of split safety too deep coverage, take
Damante Smith and a J. Brown out of it, and
force him to run the football and play his own coverage.
I'm not playing a ton a ton of man against
in just because you know, for a guy that hadn't
(23:17):
had a bunch of reps. He hadn't played this year.
You know, if I see a bunch of single high
man coverage, I'm I'm looking my chops because you know,
those guys are gonna win those one on one matchups
and they're gonna, you know, they're gonna be favorable matchup,
especially outside. So I'm gonna play his zone, force him
to you know, complete balls underneath. You be patient because
he's an aggressive quarterback. He wants to take shots, he
wants to get those chunk plays. And the way to
(23:39):
kind of the gate that is is a play a
bunch of two deep zone and forced him to you know,
have those twelve fourteen play drives and and that's sometimes
that gets that gets brustrat against quarterback. So um and
Dallas does. I mean, nan Quinn does play quite a
bit of his zone. He's a single high guy. But
I think he's gonna have to make some split safety
and you know, let their front, you know, let those
linebackers run and let that funt you know, get after
Gardener Minshew to stop the run. But it's it's gonna
(24:01):
be a tall task, I think, Dallas, there's not a
perfect spot. It's a perfect spot for them to get
back on track. Um, even with all the weapons do
you have at them and they're loaded, They've got some
dudes everywhere, so, um, it's gonna if I'm getting watch.
It makes you see how they kind of how they
go at each other. I want to ask you about
the the n I L stuff, because, Um, even though
(24:22):
you were obviously older when you did finish up. I mean, look,
whether it was you or or Dez Bryant back in
the day or whatever, like you go back to when
you guys came out your last year, you could have left.
They could have been a bidding war and you could
have gone to a different school. Um, I guess I
(24:43):
wonder how do you look at it now as a
grown up retired quarterback. Yeah, I mean it's it's tricky, right,
Like I would, I never saw myself. I mean I
never looked outside of Okoma State. I mean I never
I mean it was obviously different rules back then, but
and I can't imagine myself on the league. I mean,
especially after the year we had my junior year and
(25:04):
all the excitement we had coming back to my senior year.
I mean, there was so many so much expectation, so
much pressure that we put on ourselves, and we had
all the makings have a special year, so you know,
um from a transfer portal stamp. I mean, I can't
imagine that a ton of guys would have left. Just
with the nucleus of guys we had, we had, we
had a pretty good thing going. You know. The n
I l things obviously, UM interesting. I mean, I would
(25:26):
have liked to think that, you know, guys like myself
and Justin Blackman and a bunch of the other guys
whore on that team that made it so good. Um,
you know, would have capitalized. And I think, as much
as I dislike what's going on in college football, I
I'm all four guys getting compensated. I'm all four guys
getting taken care of. Um. I just think with the
(25:47):
lack of parameters and the lack of regulations that go on,
and these guys can come and go as they please,
that you're basically signed a one year contract and you
can get paid as much as much as you want.
There's no there's no okay, so so so, but but
this is this is interesting, right, So for people who
don't know you have a regular, real job, now right, Okay,
(26:09):
you met medical device sales? Correct, Okay, so had you
left again, let's just use you don't use anybody else's example.
You know, and you weren't broke, but and you've made
some money play in pro baseball. But yeah, and made
a ton of money. And you know that year you
end up going to a Fiesta Bowl and winning it.
But could have gone to any of these other schools. Again,
(26:33):
it was that you could have been offered a million
dollars and Oaklema State could have said, we just we
don't have a million dollars. You know, we gotta play
Black Been to stay, We gotta play all these other
guys to stay. And hey, we gave you a shot
when no one else gave you a shot, regardless of
how true that is or not right because you kind
of showed up for them and then you were third
string and then kind of almost luck and happenstance gave
you that opportunity. Then you took advantage of it. But
(26:55):
how would your life be different now in terms of
where did you live, how you work, how would you be?
You know you're from Oklahoma City, but I don't know
if you would have been You've been welcomed back, but
it would have been the same in terms of getting
a regular medical device sales job. Yeah, no, I know,
I notice saying. I mean, well, I mean I get
(27:15):
any one to use myself. But I mean, you know,
if uh, at the time, you know, Alabama comes and
we're gonna be three million dollars and play one year
at Alabama, I'm out. I mean, Oklahoma State cat match
that I'm going. I mean, three million dollars for a
kid is a bunch of money in a in a
heck of a head start on lives. I I understand, okay,
but but I guess I'm and I'm asking you and
(27:36):
if you're still out, if that's your answer, that's okay, Okay,
I would but is and let's let's say, like, look,
let's say there, I don't know if you could get
three but let's say it's it's two million dollars and
Oklahoma State says, hey, we can, we can go like
seven fifty. That's all we got is seven fifty. So
is is loyalty worth that disparity and pay for a
(27:58):
longer term thing or the reality is nobody's really that
loyal doesn't matter that much, not gonna help you that
much to be an Oklahoma State guy through and through.
That's that's tough. I mean, you know, given circumstances with
the team that we had. Um you know, if if
Oklahoma State would have offered me seven fift a million dollars,
I probably would have stayed just because I knew we
had a chance to compete for to win the big one.
(28:20):
And I knew if we had a chance to go
compete for a big one, I stayed healthy and I
had the year that I end up having, I had
a pretty good chance to be a top first or
second round pick, which at the end of the day,
that's that's real money. That's real money, right Like that's
where you don't make real money. And so you know,
that's what I think a lot of these guys. You know,
the nil SI's nice to give you a nice start,
(28:40):
but if you want to make real money, go to
the NFL get that second contract. Now that is set
your family up for money. You know, that's that's a
different But at the same time, you have an opportunity
to go to a place that is gonna make you
have a better opportunity to get that money. If you
can go from a smaller school to a bigger school
that has a better program. Then I think you gotta
you gotta do special for your future. But you know,
(29:02):
there's I saw a deal and there's there's a bunch
of guys in the portal. Now they still haven't landed
on our feet. And that's what I worry about. You know,
these guys are leaving these opportunities to places that that
are they really better one? And then two? Are they
really gonna get that many opportunities? You know that they
may have left around, they may have left something that
you know could have been an good opportunity for him,
and and now they're kind of left empty handed. So it's, man,
(29:23):
it's it's tough. And until you're in these guys shoes,
it's it's you know, you never know what's going on.
You never know they you know, butt heads with their coordinator,
quarterback coach, the head coach sucks. You know, they just
don't want to listen and look. Sometimes sometimes that the
coaches don't want them back. Guys are in the portal
because the coaches they're like, uh, yet, go you should
go and explore the portal. See what, see what? See what?
(29:44):
That's like, uh, last thing here, we've seen Brockford. You
saw a bunch of college You obviously know what the
diners do. How does that look in the play A
lot of things are like really around the line of
scrimmage in terms of throwing not throwing the ball deep
offen but been really really effective. How do you think
that looks in the playoffs? Man? I think it works.
I mean, you know the playoffs. You do think it
(30:04):
works or don't? I couldn't hear you. I do, Yes,
I think I think it works. I mean, he's he's
shown that he can. You know, I hate the word
manage it, but I mean he's he's Manag's got a
great run game, he's got the best defensive football. He's
got a bunch of weapons on the outside. He's not
turned the ball over, he's stowing the ball accurately. He's
got a great system to play acts and get him
outside the pocket. He doesn't have to stand back there
and take a three step drop from the shotgun and
(30:26):
go through, you know, to three progressions. He's they're making
it pretty simple for him. Again, he doesn't have to
score points to win. He goes out and scores four
points with that run game. You can rely on the
defense and that's gonna win this time of the year
nine times out of ten. So I like the chances
he's playing. Awesome, great story. I'm pulling for him, um,
but I mean one an opportunity for him to take
(30:49):
over that team and and all the weapons and the
pieces they have, and they've got a heck of shot
to go go make a run at it. But I
have a merry Christmas. I love talking football with you.
Look forward to hearing what your thoughts are in this
Cowboys Eagles game. It's a good one, plus all these
college footballb ball games. Thanks so much for joining us.
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m. Easter noon
(31:10):
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio Whap.
The new guys are so cute, but you could be
could be unrich. They're very cute. Yeah, they got they
we got everybody wings, only they got boneless wings, which
are not wings. But everybody nice. Yeah, So thank you
(31:33):
being unrich. To come up next on the radio the pod.
We'll drop the top of the hour. Let's get to
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I want to say that I agree with you. Wings
that are nuggets are not wings. They're nuggets. They're not right, right.
That was the one. That's the one thing I missed
(32:14):
the most. It's becoming a vegetarian. Are buffalo wings in
a bone, not a nugget, not a boneless little tender.
That's what I missed the most. Any Who, uh tof
wings anody. Everybody's like, oh yeah, yeah, there's so there's
so many good options. Now even that's it. We're fighting
(32:35):
after this. That's it. You chose violence waking up today. Okay, listen,
I'm old to remember when nobody liked russel sprouts and cauliflower,
and now they found ways to make them where everybody well,
that's I mean, that's the point with meat anyway, it's
all the flavors. It's the same thing with veggies. It's
all the flavors that make it good. I gave you
a piece of cow that hasn't been cooked in anything,
(32:55):
you wouldn't want it. Well, it hasn't been cooked at all. Yeah,
like if I just gave you. All Right, Doug, let's
talk about Christmas gifts because some NFL players are pulling
out all the stops, all right, Aaron Rodgers, Jared Alexander,
(33:16):
Adrian Amos. They gifted their Packer teammates twenty two of
their Packard teammates electric scooters for the holidays, and this
is a trend. They're not the only ones. Josh Allen,
Bill Stark. He also bought eleven rides for his offensive lineman,
and so did quarterback of the Jets, Zack Wilson. Now,
(33:37):
Zack Wilson and the Packers scooters are black. They look playing,
they look boring. Josh Allen, he went he went big
or went home, That's what he was thinking. They are
in Bill's colors, and each of them has the player's
jersey and number, while the other ones are just black.
But they're all fat rides. It's the brand of the scooters.
They hold about four hundred pounds, so even the big
(33:58):
boys can ride them, no problem. Uh, they cost about
thirty five hundred dollars. Why, I don't know. These guys
don't haven't gotten the e bike generation that everybody around
here has got the bikes. I don't you want any bike.
I don't have any bike. Have two of them? Really,
they're amazing, are they? I mean they're basically mopeds electric.
But don't say their moped because I'll tell you off
(34:19):
air of the thing that guys say about moped. Okay,
but I think the winner, if we're gonna pick the
best NFL gift I've seen so far, it's got to
go to Isaiah Mackenzie of the Bills, because he getted
his fellow receivers like Stefon Diggs and Gabe Davis. Custom
arcade game machines like the old school, like the Big
(34:40):
Ones where you put in twenty five cents to play
Giant Ones. They're decked out in Bill's colors. Gabe Davis
has a video on his social media there decked out
in Bill's colors with the players names and jerseys. It
looks like kind of like a locker you what's your
favorite old school video game? Pac Man? But I also didn't,
uh sure, sure, either or what. There's a difference. There's
(35:02):
a difference. I don't Yeah, I like them both. And
also Street Fighter street Fighter two was it too? Yeah?
That one was awesome. I love that game. I wish
I could still play. I mean I sometimes play. You know,
you didn't say dig Doug, No no. And then in
the video you can hear the players asking mackenzie if
(35:22):
it comes equipped with NFL Blitz, and then he's like
game and it also has over nine thousand, six hundred games,
like amazing, probably weighs a thousand pounds though out there
and pressed that was the press. Those are those are cool?
You guys still got time? You can't do the online
(35:44):
gift shopping near this much Amazon? You can still do,
but still gift shopping your do? Uh, tomorrow, we're doing
the Dan Patrick Show tomorrow and Monday. Right, we're doing
bet Dan Patricks that right, all of us that all
of us are doing tomorrow. Ramas, are you okay getting
up that early morning? I was told I had to
be here before six, so you had to be here
before say otherwise it doesn't actually matter if I'm here
because none of us know how any of those buttons work.
(36:07):
That's good. It is interesting that everyone can kind of
do what I can do. Maybe not as good, but
I can do what I can do. No one can
do what you can. Tell that to the hierarch. I
love that you need to do. You need that. That's
by by the way, that's why the whole idea of
dudes holding out and people like, yeah you should lamar
Jack should not play the rest of you to get
(36:27):
a new contract like we're in real life? Does that
actually work? Where you don't show up for a job
that you're being paid for and you expect to be
paid more for a job in the future if you
refuse to work. Um, okay, so the pod is gonna
drop top of the hour. I think you really like it.
Feel free as you guys know, hit me up on Twitter,
(36:47):
I g Facebook page. This is our last show before Christmas.
Could you please uh indulge me and play my favorite
Christmas song? That would that would be great? Um, Look,
this show very special to me. I've had lots of
changes in work, lots of changes in my life, and
I do know, I do know that one thing this
is a constant and like, honestly like gives me balance.
(37:11):
I get a chance to say the things I want,
and talk to you all on a daily basis. So
this is me wishing Monsey, Dan Buyer, Jason Stewart, John Romos,
and honestly, most importantly all of you a safe, wonderful,
merry Christmas. And if you're not connected with the family member,
(37:31):
call him, go see him, just be in their presence.
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