July 3, 2025 • 38 mins
On this installment of "Don't Call It A Throwback, Thursday!", Doug and the crew feature 2010. Doug welcomes former All-Star and three-time World Series champ Curt Schilling onto the show to talk about Clayton Kershaw and the state of pitching in Major League Baseball. Plus, Monse Bolanos takes Doug through "The Press".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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(00:32):
you're having a great day. You're getting ready for the
Fourth of July. You know what that means? All right,
that's sound of fireworks?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
How are you doing that? That's actually pretty convincing.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I'm I have like a well, no I am. I
don't know. Sam, I know you're older than you. Like
Sam has a very youthful vibe. When Sam is a greatpa,
he'll be like the most beloved grandpa ever won because
like a grandpa he has that Cliff Claven knows a
little bit about a lot of things. But two, he
plays younger than he is, right, plays younger than he is.
(01:11):
Like honestly, like, Sam has the spirit of like twenty
five twenty six year old dude and he's in his thirties.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Other people say, I'm like the spirit of a seventy
five year old man. So I'm kind of like a
mix of all the du.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
That's the Cliff Claven thing and when you know these
these interesting facts whatever. But I did you Police Academy movies?
Did you ever watch any of them?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
You know?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I gotta be honest, I've seen little clips of them,
but I've not watched him front to back, and there's like,
what nine of them or something?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, I mean, really everybody else stopped? Was it citizens
on patrol? Was that the last time that was a
Police Academy three or four?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Jay stew No, I do so the last time Steve
Gutenberg got like a CD Slisberg.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Was Yes, that's that's exactly That's exactly it, right. But again,
part of it was there was a guy Michael Winslow,
and Michael Winslow had a little bit of a run there, right,
and he was running. He did all the sounds, which
I don't know what what is that? What is that called?
That's not called pantomime, is it? Jase, do any idea
(02:15):
what that's called?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Beatboxer, noise maker, beat boxer.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
No.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
But he can also do the like the.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
A man of ten thousand sound effects.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, I think Covino and Rich actually interviewed him once
and he just started doing all those sound effects and
they were like, yeah, this is a little weird but cool.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Right, So if you grew up in that era, you
had a special affinity for it and you did your
own to various different As you guys know, there are
voices I do which I don't think you can do
over radio because even if they're not intended to be offensive,
they could be offensive. So so you know, I got
(02:53):
I could do it, lou nobody you could be upscited.
Oh when I do alu ho. But I A'll go
have a little bit Michael Window and be working.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I hope tomorrow we just hear the uh the dug
no no no no no no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I hope tomorrow we hear the Doug Gottlieb centric FSR
promo where it's just you going, what am America Boom'?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
That's actually pretty good. You know what it's at, the
speaking of boob it's at Thursday. So Jay Stu invented
something we called don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Say it, jay Stu, say it.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Thank You's take it from here on this day, on
this date in two thousand and ten. Now, think about it.
We are exiting the nots and we're entering very twenty ten.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
He calls them the knots. They're called the ots, and
then I think of garlic knots.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I call him the knots. It makes it different than
the knots. Very farm the thoughts.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yes, think about what you were doing. You want to
talk about old souls. That's Jay Stu being an old soul. Yeah,
also kind of being a history buff because back in eight,
which is nineteen oh eight, but go ahead, no, I.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Remember that year. Well, Teddy Roosevelt was exiting the White House?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Was William Taft? Was he the next president? Then Sam
William Howard Taft? Uh look into that and then so
think about what you were doing in twenty ten. Just
think of funny ten.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
We were coming out of the we're starting to recover
from the housing crisis, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
In the mid terms. And don't get me started on
Bayner taking over the Congress. But anyway, John Bayner, who
cried a lot, but he was John Bayner. He just
had these tears. He's always just very emotional, loved smoking cigarettes.
Shane smoking very emotional and he had his face. It's
like a catcher's met heaters.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Basically it catches me because he smoked all those heaters.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yes, this year, this date, what is it, the third
of July twenty ten, something incredible happened the Serena Williams
was winning her fourth Wimbledon count them four Wimbledon titles.
I don't know how much she finished up with. Maybe
Nancy could do her homework on that one.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Can I be the guy? Can I be that guy?
Since we've talked about this tournament a lot recently, it
is Wimbledon, there's a Dan out of tea. I just
want to be that. I'll be that guy.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It's not Wimbledon, Nope, it's a fortnite. It's a Fortnite.
You gotta wear white, you know what. Since we're talking
about kind of a lower level sports, a niche sports.
The Olympics were that year Olympics, and you probably remember
the name Sean White. That was twenty ten in London.
(06:00):
You probably remember the name oh Landon Donovan was in
the World Cup and he scored a goal for USA.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
By the way, by the way, did you guys watch
the Gold Cup last night?
Speaker 6 (06:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
He didn't.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Oh you were a yeah, yeah, Landon Donovan and look
as a guy who's folliclely challenged on some level, I understand,
I feel it, but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
He was dealt a tough hand.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Tough hand. Yeah, and because he's got the ball, he's
got obviously the ball in the middle. But it's like
the hair and the side. But do you go do
you just quit before it before it's called fire yet,
before it quits on you, because it's quit on him.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, it's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Tough one. So again I have I understand, I understand.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
So those were the lower tier sports of the year.
We got the Olympics, we got the World Cup. Exciting
your twenty ten and Wimbledon. Monsey, what do you remember
most about twenty ten? What were you getting into college?
Getting out of college? N years old? In college? In college.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
But that was the year that Blake Griffin actually played
for the Clippers because he was drafted in twenty nineteen,
but he got hurt and he didn't play the entire
season twenty nineteen. Oh twenty Sorry twenty on nine, Yes, sorry, sorry,
sorry and such. So twenty ten was you know, the
beginning of the Clippers being cool?
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Honestly all thanks to Blay Griffin.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
She's not wrong, right, it's the beginning of the of
us being cool.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
She's not She's not lob City, She's not wrong. Twenty
ten in college basketball, Uh, the Dookies all, let me
tell you, let me tell you. They had John Shia.
John Shaya helped take the Dukies to a national title.
But that NCAA title is more known for a missed
shot than any of the main shots, right, Duke be Butler,
(07:57):
But Gordon Hayward heaving up at mid court shot somehow
is the one that draws people's interest more than all
the shots that Duke made. Anyway. Twenty ten, the Duke
Kiso it's also the Capital A won the national championship.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Sam, what was Iowa football doing in twenty times? Let's
go back to let's actually go back. So we were
talking about.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Iowa football plays like it's the US.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
They actually had a lot expected of than that year,
and they were an underwhelming eight and five, I believe.
But we were talking about pitchers. We would take like
to win a game in baseball all time. So you
go back to twenty ten, it was the San Francisco Giants,
first of three World Series titles in five years, and
they had that deep stable of pitchers, Tim Linskum, Matt
(08:45):
mad Bum, probably other studs.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Never forget Zito, maybe very Zito was on that team,
I think.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
And so you uh that that was the beginning of
sort of the Giants little mini dynasty there, winning three
out of five twenty ten, twenty twelve, twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Right, you're right. In a good year, Aaron Rodgers got
his one and only title. It was the twenty ten season. Now,
I know we get confused here. Twenty ten season was
the year of Aaron Rodgers. You got uh brought the
Packers another title.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
You know what's crazy about about that? But bringing up
Aaron Rodgers in twenty ten? Do you know what I
played golf with this morning?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Aaron Rodgers? No?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Well, Mark Murphy, who used the perfect word to describe
Aaron Rodgers, do you remember what the word was?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Uh? Complicated?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Complicated? Squidly We talked for about three three holes about
the word complicated. What a great word, perfect word, because
complicated has so many negative characteristics. But it's not actually
a negative word. It's a lot like mediocre mediocre, right,
where to anybody mediocre be like, oh that bad Hout's mediocre? Like, no,
mediocre is average, it's in the middle.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I would describe Rogers as complex because then that that
because it's complicated a little more negative. I think complex
is like he needs to be understood. You need to
take him in over a fifteen year period and understand
all the different moves he's made and things he said.
But back in back when he won that Super Bowl,
he was like mister popular. I mean he was in commercials.
(10:18):
Then we're like, man, this guy.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Is an It was the discount double check.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, he did a lot.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
By the way, complicated is consisting of many interconnecting parts
or elements, intricate. Yeah, that's probably many different confusing aspects.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, that's that sums him up. That does some of
them up. I will say this, that was complicated. Words evolve,
and especially in our lexicon, So like, mediocre has become
below average. Yeah, just like literally has become figuratively, Uh,
what what word did you use last week? Theory? Theory
used to be like a scientific proven thing but now
(10:55):
it's like conspiracy theory. Anyways, I saw an interview there
in Rodgers in twenty ten. It was the strangest thing,
and he was he took his headphones off and they
were like, what are you listening to right now? This
was a surprise. It was kind of a ballad, but
it was one of the songs of the year.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I was on a plane sitting next to him once.
What's his name?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Well, this is train train right, ye, sister.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, what's the leads here? Train's name? Mm?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Pat Monaghan?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Is it really?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yes, yeah, we're He came up on He.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Came up on Coveno and Rich because we were talking
about Drops of Jupiter, the song Drops of Jupiter being
about his mother passing away, very heartfelt.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
So what about him, Doug.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
He was just he was on a plane and I was.
I just remember that he had like a picture of
himself singing, and I don't know, I don'd it was
weird to me.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
He looks like a guy who would just be reeking
of uh perfume cologne.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, Colone, Yeah, he did. He had the It was.
It was he definitely was. It was. I was sitting
in first classes back then. I was working for CBS
Humble Hey whatever. So and it's on a cross country
flight from New York to Los Angeles, and it was
almost like a red Eye flight, you know, like red
eye flights. I don't know what you guys, I fly
(12:23):
a lot of red Eyes. Like the whole thing is
be as comfortable as possible. And I just remember like
he had like those rockstar boots on, which like looks
like they could be motorcycle boots, but he definitely never
ridden a motorcycle, and it made they made a lot
of noise, and they also make you look taller, because
I don't think he was the biggest fella in the world.
And but the is like his hair was like peak
(12:44):
rock star hair.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Oh yeah, so he's so he's actually like six foot
seven when you add the boots and the hair and yeah,
I know you're talking about sort of those like but
black commando boots.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Just like and he didn't have like long hair. It
was it was like, well, is it coughed isaftft wafted? Yeah, right,
but it was like he legit had spent some time
or had somebody do his hair, Like, dude, runner red eye,
everybody's gonna look so miserable and ugly in like four hours,
like who cares. But he definitely had the hey man,
(13:17):
I'm the lead singer of Train, don't believe me. It's
on my phone sort of thing going.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Boom when he saw you. Was he like, hey, Doug Gottlieb,
what should take on? Jim Calhoun, I want it now. No,
I definitely think that happened. That went down, okay, Doug gottlb.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So that that was a big song in the year,
But actually the number one song of twenty ten would
be controversial, controversial by today's standards. It was Kesha's TikTok
and it started with a an intro that she has
since re recorded. Let's give it a listen, all right,
(14:00):
that's enough of that. So I believe that, you know,
Pte Didty obviously had a big court day yesterday getting
off the hook on a lot of stuff that he
was charged with. Must have really good lawyers. So, you know, Kesha,
I think that I swear in the last year or
two couple of years, since Diddy's faced all these allegations,
(14:22):
she went and scrubbed that part of the song. I
could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure she did that. Anduse.
She doesn't want to be associated with P Didty or
like an artist or I don't know. I'd have to
go and find a U. But I could have sworn.
I saw a headline about her wanting to redo that
song with a different intro because of the infamous P.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Diddy allegations.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Real quick, we haven't talked to. NBA Lakers beat the
Celtics in Game seven the NBA Finals. Kobe couldn't throw
it into the broad throw it in? Uh, could couldn't
hit water from a from a boat? And Ron Artest
kind of saved the day.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Did you just mix metaphors? Rob and I did?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I did water from a boat? Yes? I did? Thank you?
We will clean it up and.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
That Oh she sorry.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Going back to Kesha, she plans to re record her
song TikTok with a lyric change.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, plans to Hey, by the way, has anybody does
Kesha still exist in this world? Does she record new songs?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I think so.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
I think she still exists, but I do know she
has like new songs.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Okay, I'm going.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
The decision with.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And of course, twenty ten was the year of Avatar.
Avatar which what's his name? Jason Bourne apparently turned down, right.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Is that Matt Dylan, Matt Damon, Mat Damon.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Damon turned down Avatar Toy Story three, Iron Man two.
I was a big iron.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Avatar was awesome by the way.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I saw it in three D in theaters and it
was like a religious experience.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It was like it was like being on a There's
two game Changers.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
There was two game Changers that year. Also, Inception was
that year.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I no, I know it's on the Yeah, is that
Leo right?
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, everything's upside down and all around.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
For Christopher Nolan film Despicable Me. It's a very It's
a favorite of my family. Oh you had it rolling.
Uh we had it rolling in the suv for like
a year and a half, two years straight. So every
member of my family can quote grow, do not do
not far, do not do, do not do it.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Doug.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I was this is right when I first moved out here,
maybe like eight nine years ago. I've been out here
for about ten years. But I was at the local
movie theater and I was walking to a movie and
out of the theater. I think it was one of
the Despicable Me sequels. Was Steve Carell, his wife and
his children, they had all gone to see it, and
they just sort of nonchalantly snuck out of there. And
(16:55):
I was like, Oh, just would have stopped him for
an autograph, But you know, he's with this family.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I don't want to bother him. But a good thing
I didn't good thing I didn't.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
So and that is, uh, don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
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Speaker 1 (17:28):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Kirk Chilling is
going to join us. Three time World Series Champion, six
time All Star, and one of the clutchest pictures we've
ever seen in our lifetime. I mean, it's one of
the things that I think most of us can agree
on if you've been a baseball fan the last thirty,
(17:49):
thirty or forty years. It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio.
And coming off a night where Clayton Krushaw has his
three thousandth strikeout letter to give us some context, then
a guy who I mean elite elite in terms of
all sports, clutch pitchers, clutch players in the history sports.
(18:11):
Kurt Chilling joins US World Series Champion. He joined US
now on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Kurt three thousand strikeouts in a seventeen year story career
in which he's been a part of two World Series championships.
What does the three thousand strikeouts signify to you? Watching
(18:31):
Clayton Kershaw work last night?
Speaker 8 (18:33):
You know what first ballas Hall of Fame human beings
Clayton is? You know, I follow I remember a guy
I can't remember like much of it, but I remember
him when when the talk about him coming up, and
because it was right our career passed, didn't really cross,
but he was ad to advertised. He did some stuff
(18:56):
for a period of time that you look foreign greatness,
and he continued, I mean his postseason struggles aside. He's
the first foul Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Okay, but it's interesting, it's unique, right, it wasn't. You
weren't a bad pitcher in the regular season. You were
very good. He was dumb in the regular season, but
there were struggles in the postseason. You're most known for
your postseason success. Okay, so what's the reality to how
fair is that? Because a Clayton Kershaw defender will say, well, limited,
(19:27):
limited sample size, although he's been in a bunch and
they'll say it was later innings and he wore down
because he pitched so much in the regular season. What's
the reality to it? As somebody who's who's kind of
the opposite no more for the postseason of the regular season.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
Well, you know what I don't. You're either good or
not in October. There is no in between, and it's
as much a mindset as anything you know from a workload. Fore,
you could come up with a hundred excuses as to
why someone doesn't succeed in October, and they're probably truth
to the ninety of them. In some seven ones or
some sense. Some guys just aren't built for October. And
(20:05):
you know, he played to win the ring, so it would.
I mean, that was why I think most of us played.
He's got two you know, he just hasn't had his
October moments. But I don't think it takes away from
a Hall of Fame career.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Here's something interesting. I don't know if you know this.
Coming into last night, he had the exact same number
of wins as you had. And I say that because
you know again, yeah, yeah to sixteen to sixteen. Yeah,
it feels like an answer, I know. But will we
ever have another three hundred game winner?
Speaker 8 (20:40):
No, not right now, not right now. You know, I've
been doing some work pre draft work, and you know,
I'm thinking about stepping back into the game on the
hitching side of things, because pitching in the big leagues,
pitching across Baseball and amateur for faith broken, is horribly
broken and it needs to be fixed. There needs to
(21:02):
be I say this term loosely, but there needs to
be a moneyball sort of renaissance with pitching. The hunter
velocity has destroyed the art and and and that's I mean,
that's why you're seeing the massive increase in arm injuries
and all the things to go with that, and and organizations.
(21:25):
I mean, listen, I I did some work on this draft,
and I'm not going to name names because these kids
are coming up to one of the most special days
in their lives. But if I'm a major league team,
there are two or three, at least two guys I
wouldn't touch with your first round pick, and they're going
to go in the first round. One of them is
probably going to go very high, and they're it's just
(21:50):
not physically possible for these guys to be healthy five
six years from now. I mean, it's just if you
look down the sport, you go back and watch video
and his three guys that throw like these guys throw,
don't laugh. They never have and they never will and
it's not their fault. But pitching is broken in baseball
(22:10):
right now. And you know that's why your schoolbls stand
out beyond That's why Jacob de gram was set to
be maybe the best pitcher that ever lived, is he
hadn't gotten hurt. He was Greg Maddix with at ninety eight, right,
I mean that is Pedro at ninety eight. I mean
just but again, it's broken. It's horribly broken. And the
(22:35):
clinics that are teaching these guys to throw hard at
the cost of being a pitcher is one of the big,
big reasons.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
The podcast is called The Complete Game. You need to
watch it on YouTube. That's probably the easiest way to
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our guest, of course, that's his podcast. Join us now
on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. We
talk about young pictures, and uh, last night I'm watching
Jacob miss Rowski, who, of course is the is the
(23:07):
rookie with the Brewers, who before last night hadn't been
touched right, and then he had just one inning where
infield hit could have been a potential out, could have
got him out of the inning. He doesn't give up
a home run and then a back to back. Okay,
so you break this stuff down. His velo is a
little down last night. Is miss Rowski? Is he a
(23:30):
guy here to stay or is he a guy that
I don't think that lasts.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
I like him better than I like a lot of
young guys. A couple episodes ago I talked about him. Uh,
there's a much more polished delivery than than a lot
of these other guys I'm talking about, especially for his age.
The problem is he's not ready for the big legs.
I don't care about this stuff. He hasn't back and
(23:58):
you know, I know I sound our kick and I
sound like the old guy. Get off my long guy.
But back in the day, you went through the minor
league by mastering the level you were at and moving on. Sure, right,
and each level is a little bit more effort. Each
level is a little bit mentally and physically harder, and
there's a gradual process to getting to the big leagues.
(24:22):
And I used my personal analogy. When I got to
the big leagues, I made my debut, had a decent start,
went seven innings, and then I got my ass handed
to me for three three games and I drove home
that winter. And the thing I tell everybody it was
a similar moment in my career because I drove from
Baltimore to Phoenix, Arizona, and during the drive, I had
(24:43):
an epiphany and it was, Hey, you know what, I'm
not ready, but I can do this. And that came
from having five to six seven hundred innings in the
minor leagues I threw. I had a couple two hundred
innings seasons in the minor league. I threw eight or
nine complete games in a couple of different minor league
se I knew how to pitch in the eighth inning
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and the ninth inning and with runners in scoring position.
Those are all the things you learned. I learned how
to pitch inside in the minor league, none of them.
So what I basically, I'm saying is I had the
toolbox when I got to the big leagues, I just
figure out how I had to figure out how to
use the tools. These guys get the big league, they
don't have the toolbox, and I use a guy I'm
(25:23):
Chased Dollander in Colorado. These guys are coming up with
fifteen triple A ine and you know, one hundred and
sixteen minor league innings spread out over two and a
half seasons. There's this enormous rush to get these guys
to the big leagues. And I don't understand it. Right,
You're the Colorado Rockies. We all know what kind of
(25:44):
season they're having, right, I mean, it's it's misery. What
is Chase Dollander learning in the big leagues right now?
Because we're alpha guys, right, I mean, we're all alpha athletes.
We've always been the best at what we did where
we were. You get to the big league, everybody's a
good or better than you. You're not in the big
leagues as a young pitcher thinking I'm going to take
(26:04):
this thart and I'm going to try and learn how
to do this. You're taking the ball going I gotta win,
and there's no development there and I said this. I
went back and I looked, and this is how I
know it's sport wide. I went back and looked at
a couple guys in junior colleges. These guys were all
first Trump picks. I looked at him in junior college.
(26:26):
I looked at him in college. I looked at him
the big leagues, and we're the exact same pitcher at
twenty three to twenty four in the big leagues that
they were in junior college. Physically, mechanically, people should be
fired for that. But the chase for velocity and the
money seemed to create a sense of haste in promoting minds.
(26:47):
It shouldn't exist. Would you rather have a guy come
up at twenty two and have his Tommy John, because
there are most of these guys that are on their
way to Tommy John or some shoulder problem because of
their deliveries. But would you rather have that guy at
twenty two who knows nothing about the big leagues, bounce
around for three four five years and then become a
free agent when he starts to learn how to pitch
(27:09):
in the big leagues, Or would you rather have him
at twenty three twenty four as polished as he could
be and then learn that way. You know, the process
is so broken right now, and teams are losing and
these four is losing billions of dollars in I our time.
The picture is because of the approach.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
It's really really interesting stuff. And yeah, they want to
also get the big league, gettings quicker to arbitration right,
and the qui qui contract.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
But you know what the problem is the only way
a kid could be the same picture he was in
junior college is if you have a minor league system
of coaches afraid to coach. Right, some of these guys
coming to their first day in rookie ball, you would
take them to the bullpen and go, okay, listen, this
isn't going to work. You have the foundation, but here's
what we need to pick the problem is that coaches
(28:02):
don't want to be the guy that broke the first
round pick. Right, you're talking about five six eight, what
was schemes? Nine million dollars. No one's gonna no one's
gonna want to be the guy that that maybe broke
him or changed him because he throws really hard, and
you can't do that. You have to be hands on
with these young men, and you have to make them understand. Listen,
(28:24):
these guys are getting paid. Think about this. These guys
are getting paid thirty million dollars a year to throw
one hundred and seventy five innings? Are you kidding me?
One hundred seventy five innings was like mid August total,
and now it's not. I mean thirty five starts a year.
Seven innings. That starts two hundred and forty five innings.
When was the last time anybody even sniffed that?
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I probably never again? So okay, so let me let
me ask you this. Let me get to a couple
of other things. Kurt Schilling joining us. The complete game
is the podcast. Download where you're download podcast. Of course
you can watch it on YouTube as well. Uh, let's
get to the Dodgers. Jason Stewart is my producer. The
Dodgers drive him crazy, not because he doesn't think they're talented,
(29:10):
but because it's like they so badly want to be
able to do it without a closer, like a designated closer,
like here's our guy, right. They want the new era
of baseball. It did work last year?
Speaker 8 (29:26):
Are you a believer it doesn't work? Why it's never
worked because sabermetricians can't understand that getting the last three
outs of the game are the hardest three outs of
the game to get. Yeah, they just are. You can
like that, dislike that, you can be a fantasy. Oh
(29:47):
it's different. It's different. And the analogy I've always used
is October baseball is like pitching the ninth inning with
the one run lead. Every inning, every hitter in the
ninth inning of a close game is approaching the differently.
They just do right. And in October, every single hitter,
every single at bat, the hitters at the plate approaching
(30:08):
it like a nine thing. At bat, They're different. Out,
I get the hole, bring my guy in in the
highest leverage situation in the seventh inning because they're second
and third and I need to punch outs and whatever.
But probably the biggest culprit in the new phase of
pitching our relievers. These guys are just coming and thrown
as hard as they want. And if you if you
doubt what I'm saying, just watch an inning. Watch the
(30:28):
catcher's glove on fastballs and the fact that you almost
have to be Jerry Rice to catch some of these fastballs,
as opposed to being a big league catcher. Guys set
up down and in the wather to throw the ball
up and away. Guy sits up down in a way,
throws the ball in middle middle guy swings and missus.
Everybody says, great pitch. It's just there's metrics that aren't
being measured, and they're they're meaningful from a standpoint of pitching.
(30:53):
But getting the last three I remember, if you remember
way back, the Red Sox tried that whole bullpen by
committee of approach in the early two thousands and failed
miserably at it. It's just different. The human psyche is different.
And I'm on the mound in the ninth inning. Well
as a starter. When I was on the mound in
the ninth inning, I knew those three outs were different
than the first twenty four I've gotten as a reliever.
(31:15):
That's your whole life. Well, think about this. If it
was not that different, then there would be a lot
of Trevor Hoffins and Mariano Rivera's with six hundred career
stage right. Yeah, But there's not, and there won't be there.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
There's not. Kurt, you're the best man. It's not just
because you have credibility in your opinion, but you also
do the work to the research and getting us ready
for the upcoming MLB Draft. This is awesome stuff. Can't
wait talk with you next week again, allybody, It's the
complete game, Kurt Shilling, Download it and check it out
on YouTube.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
Thanks Kurt, take it easy.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Brother, six time All Star and he's awesome. It's just
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iHeart radio app. It always pop up right in your streen. Hey,
there's a young gentleman named Caleb high Tower. Caleb apparently
writes for the Sporting News. I bring up the Sporting
News beak because it was my favorite publication when I
first started in this business. Jase, dude, did you like
the Sporting News? Did you? Did you? Were you subscriber
(33:08):
at all?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Uh? No? And no, I Sporting News uh never never
resonated with me.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Okay, Back in the early two thousands, Sporting News they
had basically they had like beat writers.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Okay, the early knots. Huh, I mean the early knots.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
The early knots, yes, Carla, the early garlic knots. Okay
that I remember. You get it and they give you
a little nugget and it was really good. I'm just
it was an all inclusive magazine, whereas sports illustrats started
to go the way of big stories but didn't have
little details. This is again also before the Internet. Really
really kicked in the gear to where periodicals became. You know,
(33:48):
they went the way of the Dodo. Anyway, Now Sporting News,
I don't know who writes for it or whatever. It's
partially aggregated, but the headline is Warriors may acquire nine
I'm All Star after Bucks massive blunder of like, hey,
you got me with the headline the Bucks made a
massive blunder. So it goes along to say that Milwaukee
(34:10):
released Damian Lillard. Okay, and somebody from the Daily Democrat
says should the Warriors bring back to bring home the
hometown thirty four year old who will likely missed the
upcoming season with an achilles injury. It's an interesting question, right,
So I'm like, what is the Bucks blunder? I'm looking
(34:31):
and then I look back to the second paragraph. While
signing a nine time All Star wouldn't help bolster the
franchise's weak front court, it could help them capitalize on
Milwaukee's the Mawukee Bucks massive blunder? What is the blunder?
I bring this up because this gentleman, Caleb high Tower.
I looked he graduated from Hofstra in twenty twenty one.
(34:52):
He's young when I was twenty four to twenty six.
I first started in this business at the national level
at twenty six. I made mistakes, okay, but I don't
know what he considers the blunder. Releasing Lillard the blunder
who wasn't going to play for them, and everybody says
was probably the right move, including Damian Lillard. Was it
a blunder because it reportedly upset gianas although we don't
(35:15):
know the validity of whether or not he was actually upset.
What was the blunder? I don't know. Let's do better.
Let's get to the press, the press. What he got there? Month?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Tybe all right, coach.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
So apparently Guardians starting starting pitcher Luis Orthies has been
placed on paid leave over a reported MLB investigation into gambling.
There was two pitches that were flagged by a betting
integrity firm. The first alert, according to this article by ESPN,
was sent June fifteenth and triggered by action on or
Thesi's first pitch against the Mariners in the bottom of
(35:54):
the second inning to be a ball or hit bat
or hit the guy batting hits batsman, Yes or These
opened the inning with a slider that was well outside
the strike zone. The second alert June twenty seventh, another
first pitch, this time against the Cardinals on the top
of the third inning being a ball or a hit batsman,
and or these open the inning with a slider even
(36:16):
farther outside the strike zone.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
So that's is this a nothing burger again?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
It's going to depend on betting your regularities on it.
And you know, my guess is they wouldn't do it
unless they had some something set up the alarm betting
your regularity, like a large sum of money on a
random first pitch and the second inning. And oh, by
the way, they can track where all those bets comfort came.
M So my guess is it's not nothing burger. Is
(36:44):
a burger? Not a nothing burger?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
All right?
Speaker 1 (36:46):
All right, it's a double cheese.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
It's a double cheese.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I see an alt burger. Maybe I don't. I'm not
really sure they're all right.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
Well, Sophie Cunningham has clarified her recent remarks about the
day decision to EXPREDT.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Can help Mancy Sam with the correct.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Oh Sophie's Stunningham, you mean, and there she is, here
she is.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I know the history behind the WNBA I know that
both of those cities have had teams before, and they
got us rat So I'm thankful for that. All I
was really getting at is like Broadway, the off core lifestyle,
and so I think that is really intriguing. I think
Miami's intriguing. That's all I was getting, and I'm thankful
for what they've done for our history of the sport.
I think it'd be fun to kind of get some
teams outside of the NBA market. I do think there
(37:29):
is benefit when you do have an NBA team, But
that's all I was getting in I think people totally
missed for that situation. I would never speak down upon
middle class, blue collar working people.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
That's where I come from.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
I'm from Missouri, I get I'm in Indiana, and that's
kind of why I'm hinting at Broadway sounds fun, Sophie,
and Miami sounds fun.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
All I was getting Miami does sound fun?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
It does?
Speaker 1 (37:50):
It does?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
It does?
Speaker 6 (37:52):
So yeah, she had to kind of, you know, explain
herself a little bit. She got a little bit of backlash.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Last do I time for a quick one?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Shandis there? Go go? Okay?
Speaker 6 (38:02):
So Ben Shelton at Wimbledon, right now they suspended play
because it was supposedly too dark. He was up five
games to four in his final third set, already winning
the first two set, was about to serve like could
have finished the long match, and then they said no, it's.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Too dark and it's not dark.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I would have been so mad.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
They used to play with white tennis balls at Wimbledon.
That's how old I'll be on the hurd tomorrow. Dan
bayerb Fieling in for me. Have a great third, have
a say fourth. We'll talk to you that. Doug otlip Pio,
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you're having a great day. You're getting ready for the
Fourth of July. You know what that means? All right,
that's sound of fireworks?
Speaker 2 (00:44):
How are you doing that? That's actually pretty convincing.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I'm I have like a well, no I am. I
don't know. Sam, I know you're older than you. Like
Sam has a very youthful vibe. When Sam is a greatpa,
he'll be like the most beloved grandpa ever won because
like a grandpa he has that Cliff Claven knows a
little bit about a lot of things. But two, he
plays younger than he is, right, plays younger than he is.
(01:11):
Like honestly, like, Sam has the spirit of like twenty
five twenty six year old dude and he's in his thirties.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Other people say, I'm like the spirit of a seventy
five year old man. So I'm kind of like a
mix of all the du.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
That's the Cliff Claven thing and when you know these
these interesting facts whatever. But I did you Police Academy movies?
Did you ever watch any of them?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
You know?
Speaker 3 (01:33):
I gotta be honest, I've seen little clips of them,
but I've not watched him front to back, and there's like,
what nine of them or something?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Yeah, I mean, really everybody else stopped? Was it citizens
on patrol? Was that the last time that was a
Police Academy three or four?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Jay stew No, I do so the last time Steve
Gutenberg got like a CD Slisberg.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Was Yes, that's that's exactly That's exactly it, right. But again,
part of it was there was a guy Michael Winslow,
and Michael Winslow had a little bit of a run there, right,
and he was running. He did all the sounds, which
I don't know what what is that? What is that called?
That's not called pantomime, is it? Jase, do any idea
(02:15):
what that's called?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Beatboxer, noise maker, beat boxer.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
No.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
But he can also do the like the.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
A man of ten thousand sound effects.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yeah, I think Covino and Rich actually interviewed him once
and he just started doing all those sound effects and
they were like, yeah, this is a little weird but cool.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Right, So if you grew up in that era, you
had a special affinity for it and you did your
own to various different As you guys know, there are
voices I do which I don't think you can do
over radio because even if they're not intended to be offensive,
they could be offensive. So so you know, I got
(02:53):
I could do it, lou nobody you could be upscited.
Oh when I do alu ho. But I A'll go
have a little bit Michael Window and be working.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I hope tomorrow we just hear the uh the dug
no no no no no no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I hope tomorrow we hear the Doug Gottlieb centric FSR
promo where it's just you going, what am America Boom'?
Speaker 1 (03:22):
That's actually pretty good. You know what it's at, the
speaking of boob it's at Thursday. So Jay Stu invented
something we called don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Say it, jay Stu, say it.
Speaker 2 (03:44):
Thank You's take it from here on this day, on
this date in two thousand and ten. Now, think about it.
We are exiting the nots and we're entering very twenty ten.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
He calls them the knots. They're called the ots, and
then I think of garlic knots.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
I call him the knots. It makes it different than
the knots. Very farm the thoughts.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
Yes, think about what you were doing. You want to
talk about old souls. That's Jay Stu being an old soul. Yeah,
also kind of being a history buff because back in eight,
which is nineteen oh eight, but go ahead, no, I.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Remember that year. Well, Teddy Roosevelt was exiting the White House?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Was William Taft? Was he the next president? Then Sam
William Howard Taft? Uh look into that and then so
think about what you were doing in twenty ten. Just
think of funny ten.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
We were coming out of the we're starting to recover
from the housing crisis, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
In the mid terms. And don't get me started on
Bayner taking over the Congress. But anyway, John Bayner, who
cried a lot, but he was John Bayner. He just
had these tears. He's always just very emotional, loved smoking cigarettes.
Shane smoking very emotional and he had his face. It's
like a catcher's met heaters.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Basically it catches me because he smoked all those heaters.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Yes, this year, this date, what is it, the third
of July twenty ten, something incredible happened the Serena Williams
was winning her fourth Wimbledon count them four Wimbledon titles.
I don't know how much she finished up with. Maybe
Nancy could do her homework on that one.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Can I be the guy? Can I be that guy?
Since we've talked about this tournament a lot recently, it
is Wimbledon, there's a Dan out of tea. I just
want to be that. I'll be that guy.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It's not Wimbledon, Nope, it's a fortnite. It's a Fortnite.
You gotta wear white, you know what. Since we're talking
about kind of a lower level sports, a niche sports.
The Olympics were that year Olympics, and you probably remember
the name Sean White. That was twenty ten in London.
(06:00):
You probably remember the name oh Landon Donovan was in
the World Cup and he scored a goal for USA.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
By the way, by the way, did you guys watch
the Gold Cup last night?
Speaker 6 (06:12):
No?
Speaker 1 (06:14):
He didn't.
Speaker 7 (06:14):
Oh you were a yeah, yeah, Landon Donovan and look
as a guy who's folliclely challenged on some level, I understand,
I feel it, but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
He was dealt a tough hand.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Tough hand. Yeah, and because he's got the ball, he's
got obviously the ball in the middle. But it's like
the hair and the side. But do you go do
you just quit before it before it's called fire yet,
before it quits on you, because it's quit on him.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
Yeah, it's a tough one.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Tough one. So again I have I understand, I understand.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
So those were the lower tier sports of the year.
We got the Olympics, we got the World Cup. Exciting
your twenty ten and Wimbledon. Monsey, what do you remember
most about twenty ten? What were you getting into college?
Getting out of college? N years old? In college? In college.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
But that was the year that Blake Griffin actually played
for the Clippers because he was drafted in twenty nineteen,
but he got hurt and he didn't play the entire
season twenty nineteen. Oh twenty Sorry twenty on nine, Yes, sorry, sorry,
sorry and such. So twenty ten was you know, the
beginning of the Clippers being cool?
Speaker 5 (07:28):
Honestly all thanks to Blay Griffin.
Speaker 7 (07:31):
She's not wrong, right, it's the beginning of the of
us being cool.
Speaker 1 (07:34):
She's not She's not lob City, She's not wrong. Twenty
ten in college basketball, Uh, the Dookies all, let me
tell you, let me tell you. They had John Shia.
John Shaya helped take the Dukies to a national title.
But that NCAA title is more known for a missed
shot than any of the main shots, right, Duke be Butler,
(07:57):
But Gordon Hayward heaving up at mid court shot somehow
is the one that draws people's interest more than all
the shots that Duke made. Anyway. Twenty ten, the Duke
Kiso it's also the Capital A won the national championship.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Sam, what was Iowa football doing in twenty times? Let's
go back to let's actually go back. So we were
talking about.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
Iowa football plays like it's the US.
Speaker 3 (08:23):
They actually had a lot expected of than that year,
and they were an underwhelming eight and five, I believe.
But we were talking about pitchers. We would take like
to win a game in baseball all time. So you
go back to twenty ten, it was the San Francisco Giants,
first of three World Series titles in five years, and
they had that deep stable of pitchers, Tim Linskum, Matt
(08:45):
mad Bum, probably other studs.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Never forget Zito, maybe very Zito was on that team,
I think.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
And so you uh that that was the beginning of
sort of the Giants little mini dynasty there, winning three
out of five twenty ten, twenty twelve, twenty fourteen.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Right, you're right. In a good year, Aaron Rodgers got
his one and only title. It was the twenty ten season. Now,
I know we get confused here. Twenty ten season was
the year of Aaron Rodgers. You got uh brought the
Packers another title.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
You know what's crazy about about that? But bringing up
Aaron Rodgers in twenty ten? Do you know what I
played golf with this morning?
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Aaron Rodgers? No?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Well, Mark Murphy, who used the perfect word to describe
Aaron Rodgers, do you remember what the word was?
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Uh? Complicated?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Complicated? Squidly We talked for about three three holes about
the word complicated. What a great word, perfect word, because
complicated has so many negative characteristics. But it's not actually
a negative word. It's a lot like mediocre mediocre, right,
where to anybody mediocre be like, oh that bad Hout's mediocre? Like, no,
mediocre is average, it's in the middle.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
I would describe Rogers as complex because then that that
because it's complicated a little more negative. I think complex
is like he needs to be understood. You need to
take him in over a fifteen year period and understand
all the different moves he's made and things he said.
But back in back when he won that Super Bowl,
he was like mister popular. I mean he was in commercials.
(10:18):
Then we're like, man, this guy.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Is an It was the discount double check.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yeah, he did a lot.
Speaker 1 (10:24):
By the way, complicated is consisting of many interconnecting parts
or elements, intricate. Yeah, that's probably many different confusing aspects.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Yeah, that's that sums him up. That does some of
them up. I will say this, that was complicated. Words evolve,
and especially in our lexicon, So like, mediocre has become
below average. Yeah, just like literally has become figuratively, Uh,
what what word did you use last week? Theory? Theory
used to be like a scientific proven thing but now
(10:55):
it's like conspiracy theory. Anyways, I saw an interview there
in Rodgers in twenty ten. It was the strangest thing,
and he was he took his headphones off and they
were like, what are you listening to right now? This
was a surprise. It was kind of a ballad, but
it was one of the songs of the year.
Speaker 1 (11:14):
I was on a plane sitting next to him once.
What's his name?
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Well, this is train train right, ye, sister.
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Yeah, what's the leads here? Train's name? Mm?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Pat Monaghan?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Is it really?
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yes, yeah, we're He came up on He.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Came up on Coveno and Rich because we were talking
about Drops of Jupiter, the song Drops of Jupiter being
about his mother passing away, very heartfelt.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
So what about him, Doug.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
He was just he was on a plane and I was.
I just remember that he had like a picture of
himself singing, and I don't know, I don'd it was
weird to me.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
He looks like a guy who would just be reeking
of uh perfume cologne.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, Colone, Yeah, he did. He had the It was.
It was he definitely was. It was. I was sitting
in first classes back then. I was working for CBS
Humble Hey whatever. So and it's on a cross country
flight from New York to Los Angeles, and it was
almost like a red Eye flight, you know, like red
eye flights. I don't know what you guys, I fly
(12:23):
a lot of red Eyes. Like the whole thing is
be as comfortable as possible. And I just remember like
he had like those rockstar boots on, which like looks
like they could be motorcycle boots, but he definitely never
ridden a motorcycle, and it made they made a lot
of noise, and they also make you look taller, because
I don't think he was the biggest fella in the world.
And but the is like his hair was like peak
(12:44):
rock star hair.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
Oh yeah, so he's so he's actually like six foot
seven when you add the boots and the hair and yeah,
I know you're talking about sort of those like but
black commando boots.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Just like and he didn't have like long hair. It
was it was like, well, is it coughed isaftft wafted? Yeah, right,
but it was like he legit had spent some time
or had somebody do his hair, Like, dude, runner red eye,
everybody's gonna look so miserable and ugly in like four hours,
like who cares. But he definitely had the hey man,
(13:17):
I'm the lead singer of Train, don't believe me. It's
on my phone sort of thing going.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
Boom when he saw you. Was he like, hey, Doug Gottlieb,
what should take on? Jim Calhoun, I want it now. No,
I definitely think that happened. That went down, okay, Doug gottlb.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
So that that was a big song in the year,
But actually the number one song of twenty ten would
be controversial, controversial by today's standards. It was Kesha's TikTok
and it started with a an intro that she has
since re recorded. Let's give it a listen, all right,
(14:00):
that's enough of that. So I believe that, you know,
Pte Didty obviously had a big court day yesterday getting
off the hook on a lot of stuff that he
was charged with. Must have really good lawyers. So, you know, Kesha,
I think that I swear in the last year or
two couple of years, since Diddy's faced all these allegations,
(14:22):
she went and scrubbed that part of the song. I
could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure she did that. Anduse.
She doesn't want to be associated with P Didty or
like an artist or I don't know. I'd have to
go and find a U. But I could have sworn.
I saw a headline about her wanting to redo that
song with a different intro because of the infamous P.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Diddy allegations.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Real quick, we haven't talked to. NBA Lakers beat the
Celtics in Game seven the NBA Finals. Kobe couldn't throw
it into the broad throw it in? Uh, could couldn't
hit water from a from a boat? And Ron Artest
kind of saved the day.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Did you just mix metaphors? Rob and I did?
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I did water from a boat? Yes? I did? Thank you?
We will clean it up and.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
That Oh she sorry.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Going back to Kesha, she plans to re record her
song TikTok with a lyric change.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Yeah, plans to Hey, by the way, has anybody does
Kesha still exist in this world? Does she record new songs?
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I think so.
Speaker 6 (15:20):
I think she still exists, but I do know she
has like new songs.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
Okay, I'm going.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
The decision with.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And of course, twenty ten was the year of Avatar.
Avatar which what's his name? Jason Bourne apparently turned down, right.
Speaker 2 (15:44):
Is that Matt Dylan, Matt Damon, Mat Damon.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Damon turned down Avatar Toy Story three, Iron Man two.
I was a big iron.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Avatar was awesome by the way.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
I saw it in three D in theaters and it
was like a religious experience.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
It was like it was like being on a There's
two game Changers.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
There was two game Changers that year. Also, Inception was
that year.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I no, I know it's on the Yeah, is that
Leo right?
Speaker 5 (16:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Yeah, everything's upside down and all around.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
For Christopher Nolan film Despicable Me. It's a very It's
a favorite of my family. Oh you had it rolling.
Uh we had it rolling in the suv for like
a year and a half, two years straight. So every
member of my family can quote grow, do not do
not far, do not do, do not do it.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
Doug.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
I was this is right when I first moved out here,
maybe like eight nine years ago. I've been out here
for about ten years. But I was at the local
movie theater and I was walking to a movie and
out of the theater. I think it was one of
the Despicable Me sequels. Was Steve Carell, his wife and
his children, they had all gone to see it, and
they just sort of nonchalantly snuck out of there. And
(16:55):
I was like, Oh, just would have stopped him for
an autograph, But you know, he's with this family.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
I don't want to bother him. But a good thing
I didn't good thing I didn't.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
So and that is, uh, don't call it a throwback Thursday.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Don't call it a throwback Thursday. Fox Sports Radio has
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Speaker 1 (17:28):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Kirk Chilling is
going to join us. Three time World Series Champion, six
time All Star, and one of the clutchest pictures we've
ever seen in our lifetime. I mean, it's one of
the things that I think most of us can agree
on if you've been a baseball fan the last thirty,
(17:49):
thirty or forty years. It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio.
And coming off a night where Clayton Krushaw has his
three thousandth strikeout letter to give us some context, then
a guy who I mean elite elite in terms of
all sports, clutch pitchers, clutch players in the history sports.
(18:11):
Kurt Chilling joins US World Series Champion. He joined US
now on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Kurt three thousand strikeouts in a seventeen year story career
in which he's been a part of two World Series championships.
What does the three thousand strikeouts signify to you? Watching
(18:31):
Clayton Kershaw work last night?
Speaker 8 (18:33):
You know what first ballas Hall of Fame human beings
Clayton is? You know, I follow I remember a guy
I can't remember like much of it, but I remember
him when when the talk about him coming up, and
because it was right our career passed, didn't really cross,
but he was ad to advertised. He did some stuff
(18:56):
for a period of time that you look foreign greatness,
and he continued, I mean his postseason struggles aside. He's
the first foul Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
Okay, but it's interesting, it's unique, right, it wasn't. You
weren't a bad pitcher in the regular season. You were
very good. He was dumb in the regular season, but
there were struggles in the postseason. You're most known for
your postseason success. Okay, so what's the reality to how
fair is that? Because a Clayton Kershaw defender will say, well, limited,
(19:27):
limited sample size, although he's been in a bunch and
they'll say it was later innings and he wore down
because he pitched so much in the regular season. What's
the reality to it? As somebody who's who's kind of
the opposite no more for the postseason of the regular season.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
Well, you know what I don't. You're either good or
not in October. There is no in between, and it's
as much a mindset as anything you know from a workload. Fore,
you could come up with a hundred excuses as to
why someone doesn't succeed in October, and they're probably truth
to the ninety of them. In some seven ones or
some sense. Some guys just aren't built for October. And
(20:05):
you know, he played to win the ring, so it would.
I mean, that was why I think most of us played.
He's got two you know, he just hasn't had his
October moments. But I don't think it takes away from
a Hall of Fame career.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Here's something interesting. I don't know if you know this.
Coming into last night, he had the exact same number
of wins as you had. And I say that because
you know again, yeah, yeah to sixteen to sixteen. Yeah,
it feels like an answer, I know. But will we
ever have another three hundred game winner?
Speaker 8 (20:40):
No, not right now, not right now. You know, I've
been doing some work pre draft work, and you know,
I'm thinking about stepping back into the game on the
hitching side of things, because pitching in the big leagues,
pitching across Baseball and amateur for faith broken, is horribly
broken and it needs to be fixed. There needs to
(21:02):
be I say this term loosely, but there needs to
be a moneyball sort of renaissance with pitching. The hunter
velocity has destroyed the art and and and that's I mean,
that's why you're seeing the massive increase in arm injuries
and all the things to go with that, and and organizations.
(21:25):
I mean, listen, I I did some work on this draft,
and I'm not going to name names because these kids
are coming up to one of the most special days
in their lives. But if I'm a major league team,
there are two or three, at least two guys I
wouldn't touch with your first round pick, and they're going
to go in the first round. One of them is
probably going to go very high, and they're it's just
(21:50):
not physically possible for these guys to be healthy five
six years from now. I mean, it's just if you
look down the sport, you go back and watch video
and his three guys that throw like these guys throw,
don't laugh. They never have and they never will and
it's not their fault. But pitching is broken in baseball
(22:10):
right now. And you know that's why your schoolbls stand
out beyond That's why Jacob de gram was set to
be maybe the best pitcher that ever lived, is he
hadn't gotten hurt. He was Greg Maddix with at ninety eight, right,
I mean that is Pedro at ninety eight. I mean
just but again, it's broken. It's horribly broken. And the
(22:35):
clinics that are teaching these guys to throw hard at
the cost of being a pitcher is one of the big,
big reasons.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
The podcast is called The Complete Game. You need to
watch it on YouTube. That's probably the easiest way to
do it, to subscribe to that channel. Kirk Shilling is
our guest, of course, that's his podcast. Join us now
on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. We
talk about young pictures, and uh, last night I'm watching
Jacob miss Rowski, who, of course is the is the
(23:07):
rookie with the Brewers, who before last night hadn't been
touched right, and then he had just one inning where
infield hit could have been a potential out, could have
got him out of the inning. He doesn't give up
a home run and then a back to back. Okay,
so you break this stuff down. His velo is a
little down last night. Is miss Rowski? Is he a
(23:30):
guy here to stay or is he a guy that
I don't think that lasts.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
I like him better than I like a lot of
young guys. A couple episodes ago I talked about him. Uh,
there's a much more polished delivery than than a lot
of these other guys I'm talking about, especially for his age.
The problem is he's not ready for the big legs.
I don't care about this stuff. He hasn't back and
(23:58):
you know, I know I sound our kick and I
sound like the old guy. Get off my long guy.
But back in the day, you went through the minor
league by mastering the level you were at and moving on. Sure, right,
and each level is a little bit more effort. Each
level is a little bit mentally and physically harder, and
there's a gradual process to getting to the big leagues.
(24:22):
And I used my personal analogy. When I got to
the big leagues, I made my debut, had a decent start,
went seven innings, and then I got my ass handed
to me for three three games and I drove home
that winter. And the thing I tell everybody it was
a similar moment in my career because I drove from
Baltimore to Phoenix, Arizona, and during the drive, I had
(24:43):
an epiphany and it was, Hey, you know what, I'm
not ready, but I can do this. And that came
from having five to six seven hundred innings in the
minor leagues I threw. I had a couple two hundred
innings seasons in the minor league. I threw eight or
nine complete games in a couple of different minor league
se I knew how to pitch in the eighth inning
(25:03):
and the ninth inning and with runners in scoring position.
Those are all the things you learned. I learned how
to pitch inside in the minor league, none of them.
So what I basically, I'm saying is I had the
toolbox when I got to the big leagues, I just
figure out how I had to figure out how to
use the tools. These guys get the big league, they
don't have the toolbox, and I use a guy I'm
(25:23):
Chased Dollander in Colorado. These guys are coming up with
fifteen triple A ine and you know, one hundred and
sixteen minor league innings spread out over two and a
half seasons. There's this enormous rush to get these guys
to the big leagues. And I don't understand it. Right,
You're the Colorado Rockies. We all know what kind of
(25:44):
season they're having, right, I mean, it's it's misery. What
is Chase Dollander learning in the big leagues right now?
Because we're alpha guys, right, I mean, we're all alpha athletes.
We've always been the best at what we did where
we were. You get to the big league, everybody's a
good or better than you. You're not in the big
leagues as a young pitcher thinking I'm going to take
(26:04):
this thart and I'm going to try and learn how
to do this. You're taking the ball going I gotta win,
and there's no development there and I said this. I
went back and I looked, and this is how I
know it's sport wide. I went back and looked at
a couple guys in junior colleges. These guys were all
first Trump picks. I looked at him in junior college.
(26:26):
I looked at him in college. I looked at him
the big leagues, and we're the exact same pitcher at
twenty three to twenty four in the big leagues that
they were in junior college. Physically, mechanically, people should be
fired for that. But the chase for velocity and the
money seemed to create a sense of haste in promoting minds.
(26:47):
It shouldn't exist. Would you rather have a guy come
up at twenty two and have his Tommy John, because
there are most of these guys that are on their
way to Tommy John or some shoulder problem because of
their deliveries. But would you rather have that guy at
twenty two who knows nothing about the big leagues, bounce
around for three four five years and then become a
free agent when he starts to learn how to pitch
(27:09):
in the big leagues, Or would you rather have him
at twenty three twenty four as polished as he could
be and then learn that way. You know, the process
is so broken right now, and teams are losing and
these four is losing billions of dollars in I our time.
The picture is because of the approach.
Speaker 1 (27:31):
It's really really interesting stuff. And yeah, they want to
also get the big league, gettings quicker to arbitration right,
and the qui qui contract.
Speaker 8 (27:40):
But you know what the problem is the only way
a kid could be the same picture he was in
junior college is if you have a minor league system
of coaches afraid to coach. Right, some of these guys
coming to their first day in rookie ball, you would
take them to the bullpen and go, okay, listen, this
isn't going to work. You have the foundation, but here's
what we need to pick the problem is that coaches
(28:02):
don't want to be the guy that broke the first
round pick. Right, you're talking about five six eight, what
was schemes? Nine million dollars. No one's gonna no one's
gonna want to be the guy that that maybe broke
him or changed him because he throws really hard, and
you can't do that. You have to be hands on
with these young men, and you have to make them understand. Listen,
(28:24):
these guys are getting paid. Think about this. These guys
are getting paid thirty million dollars a year to throw
one hundred and seventy five innings? Are you kidding me?
One hundred seventy five innings was like mid August total,
and now it's not. I mean thirty five starts a year.
Seven innings. That starts two hundred and forty five innings.
When was the last time anybody even sniffed that?
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I probably never again? So okay, so let me let
me ask you this. Let me get to a couple
of other things. Kurt Schilling joining us. The complete game
is the podcast. Download where you're download podcast. Of course
you can watch it on YouTube as well. Uh, let's
get to the Dodgers. Jason Stewart is my producer. The
Dodgers drive him crazy, not because he doesn't think they're talented,
(29:10):
but because it's like they so badly want to be
able to do it without a closer, like a designated closer,
like here's our guy, right. They want the new era
of baseball. It did work last year?
Speaker 8 (29:26):
Are you a believer it doesn't work? Why it's never
worked because sabermetricians can't understand that getting the last three
outs of the game are the hardest three outs of
the game to get. Yeah, they just are. You can
like that, dislike that, you can be a fantasy. Oh
(29:47):
it's different. It's different. And the analogy I've always used
is October baseball is like pitching the ninth inning with
the one run lead. Every inning, every hitter in the
ninth inning of a close game is approaching the differently.
They just do right. And in October, every single hitter,
every single at bat, the hitters at the plate approaching
(30:08):
it like a nine thing. At bat, They're different. Out,
I get the hole, bring my guy in in the
highest leverage situation in the seventh inning because they're second
and third and I need to punch outs and whatever.
But probably the biggest culprit in the new phase of
pitching our relievers. These guys are just coming and thrown
as hard as they want. And if you if you
doubt what I'm saying, just watch an inning. Watch the
(30:28):
catcher's glove on fastballs and the fact that you almost
have to be Jerry Rice to catch some of these fastballs,
as opposed to being a big league catcher. Guys set
up down and in the wather to throw the ball
up and away. Guy sits up down in a way,
throws the ball in middle middle guy swings and missus.
Everybody says, great pitch. It's just there's metrics that aren't
being measured, and they're they're meaningful from a standpoint of pitching.
(30:53):
But getting the last three I remember, if you remember
way back, the Red Sox tried that whole bullpen by
committee of approach in the early two thousands and failed
miserably at it. It's just different. The human psyche is different.
And I'm on the mound in the ninth inning. Well
as a starter. When I was on the mound in
the ninth inning, I knew those three outs were different
than the first twenty four I've gotten as a reliever.
(31:15):
That's your whole life. Well, think about this. If it
was not that different, then there would be a lot
of Trevor Hoffins and Mariano Rivera's with six hundred career
stage right. Yeah, But there's not, and there won't be there.
Speaker 1 (31:28):
There's not. Kurt, you're the best man. It's not just
because you have credibility in your opinion, but you also
do the work to the research and getting us ready
for the upcoming MLB Draft. This is awesome stuff. Can't
wait talk with you next week again, allybody, It's the
complete game, Kurt Shilling, Download it and check it out
on YouTube.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
Thanks Kurt, take it easy.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
Brother, six time All Star and he's awesome. It's just
a tremendous, tremendous baseball mind here listening to us now,
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(32:07):
You're on Fox Sports Tradio. What's going on with the
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Speaker 5 (32:15):
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Speaker 1 (32:25):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. You can stream the show.
Name of our Fox Sports Radio shows twenty four to
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oh yeah, by the way, there's a new feature on Fox.
On the app. You can set Fox Sports Radio as preset, right,
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(32:47):
iHeart radio app. It always pop up right in your streen. Hey,
there's a young gentleman named Caleb high Tower. Caleb apparently
writes for the Sporting News. I bring up the Sporting
News beak because it was my favorite publication when I
first started in this business. Jase, dude, did you like
the Sporting News? Did you? Did you? Were you subscriber
(33:08):
at all?
Speaker 2 (33:08):
Uh? No? And no, I Sporting News uh never never
resonated with me.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
Okay, Back in the early two thousands, Sporting News they
had basically they had like beat writers.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
Okay, the early knots. Huh, I mean the early knots.
Speaker 1 (33:25):
The early knots, yes, Carla, the early garlic knots. Okay
that I remember. You get it and they give you
a little nugget and it was really good. I'm just
it was an all inclusive magazine, whereas sports illustrats started
to go the way of big stories but didn't have
little details. This is again also before the Internet. Really
really kicked in the gear to where periodicals became. You know,
(33:48):
they went the way of the Dodo. Anyway, Now Sporting News,
I don't know who writes for it or whatever. It's
partially aggregated, but the headline is Warriors may acquire nine
I'm All Star after Bucks massive blunder of like, hey,
you got me with the headline the Bucks made a
massive blunder. So it goes along to say that Milwaukee
(34:10):
released Damian Lillard. Okay, and somebody from the Daily Democrat
says should the Warriors bring back to bring home the
hometown thirty four year old who will likely missed the
upcoming season with an achilles injury. It's an interesting question, right,
So I'm like, what is the Bucks blunder? I'm looking
(34:31):
and then I look back to the second paragraph. While
signing a nine time All Star wouldn't help bolster the
franchise's weak front court, it could help them capitalize on
Milwaukee's the Mawukee Bucks massive blunder? What is the blunder?
I bring this up because this gentleman, Caleb high Tower.
I looked he graduated from Hofstra in twenty twenty one.
(34:52):
He's young when I was twenty four to twenty six.
I first started in this business at the national level
at twenty six. I made mistakes, okay, but I don't
know what he considers the blunder. Releasing Lillard the blunder
who wasn't going to play for them, and everybody says
was probably the right move, including Damian Lillard. Was it
a blunder because it reportedly upset gianas although we don't
(35:15):
know the validity of whether or not he was actually upset.
What was the blunder? I don't know. Let's do better.
Let's get to the press, the press. What he got there? Month?
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Tybe all right, coach.
Speaker 6 (35:32):
So apparently Guardians starting starting pitcher Luis Orthies has been
placed on paid leave over a reported MLB investigation into gambling.
There was two pitches that were flagged by a betting
integrity firm. The first alert, according to this article by ESPN,
was sent June fifteenth and triggered by action on or
Thesi's first pitch against the Mariners in the bottom of
(35:54):
the second inning to be a ball or hit bat
or hit the guy batting hits batsman, Yes or These
opened the inning with a slider that was well outside
the strike zone. The second alert June twenty seventh, another
first pitch, this time against the Cardinals on the top
of the third inning being a ball or a hit batsman,
and or these open the inning with a slider even
(36:16):
farther outside the strike zone.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
So that's is this a nothing burger again?
Speaker 1 (36:22):
It's going to depend on betting your regularities on it.
And you know, my guess is they wouldn't do it
unless they had some something set up the alarm betting
your regularity, like a large sum of money on a
random first pitch and the second inning. And oh, by
the way, they can track where all those bets comfort came.
M So my guess is it's not nothing burger. Is
(36:44):
a burger? Not a nothing burger?
Speaker 2 (36:45):
All right?
Speaker 1 (36:46):
All right, it's a double cheese.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
It's a double cheese.
Speaker 1 (36:49):
I see an alt burger. Maybe I don't. I'm not
really sure they're all right.
Speaker 6 (36:53):
Well, Sophie Cunningham has clarified her recent remarks about the
day decision to EXPREDT.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Can help Mancy Sam with the correct.
Speaker 3 (37:03):
Oh Sophie's Stunningham, you mean, and there she is, here
she is.
Speaker 4 (37:07):
I know the history behind the WNBA I know that
both of those cities have had teams before, and they
got us rat So I'm thankful for that. All I
was really getting at is like Broadway, the off core lifestyle,
and so I think that is really intriguing. I think
Miami's intriguing. That's all I was getting, and I'm thankful
for what they've done for our history of the sport.
I think it'd be fun to kind of get some
teams outside of the NBA market. I do think there
(37:29):
is benefit when you do have an NBA team, But
that's all I was getting in I think people totally
missed for that situation. I would never speak down upon
middle class, blue collar working people.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
That's where I come from.
Speaker 4 (37:40):
I'm from Missouri, I get I'm in Indiana, and that's
kind of why I'm hinting at Broadway sounds fun, Sophie,
and Miami sounds fun.
Speaker 1 (37:46):
All I was getting Miami does sound fun?
Speaker 2 (37:49):
It does?
Speaker 1 (37:50):
It does?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
It does?
Speaker 6 (37:52):
So yeah, she had to kind of, you know, explain
herself a little bit. She got a little bit of backlash.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
Last do I time for a quick one?
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Shandis there? Go go? Okay?
Speaker 6 (38:02):
So Ben Shelton at Wimbledon, right now they suspended play
because it was supposedly too dark. He was up five
games to four in his final third set, already winning
the first two set, was about to serve like could
have finished the long match, and then they said no, it's.
Speaker 1 (38:15):
Too dark and it's not dark.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I would have been so mad.
Speaker 1 (38:20):
They used to play with white tennis balls at Wimbledon.
That's how old I'll be on the hurd tomorrow. Dan
bayerb Fieling in for me. Have a great third, have
a say fourth. We'll talk to you that. Doug otlip Pio,
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