July 4, 2025 • 42 mins
Doug in for Colin as he weighs in on Joey Chestnut and his dominant performance in the most recent Nathan's Hot Dog Eating contest. Doug talks about Lamar Jackson as the All-Pro says he is going to try and be a more vocal leader. Doug welcomes former Bucs GM Mark Dominik onto the show to talk about the Steelers, Jets and all of the major headlines around the NFL.
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
What up? Welcome in this urged the Herd. Whatever you
may be in, how red you may be making this
part of your day. Yeah, I don't know what that
sentence was. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottliebe in for
Colin Cowherd and for the next two hours, I want
to talk sports with you from Powway to Escondido, all
the way up to Santa Clarita. Jason Stewart in about
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five people in southern California smiled and knew what that
was or who that was. Joey Chestnut just eate seventy
two dogs in the Hot dog eating contest. Right, there
is something about the Hot dog Eating Contest which feels
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feels a lot like the home run Derby. It's a
lot like the home run Derby. You know, when it
first made it big, and it was Kobayashi. It was cool.
Then all of a sudden, you know, we have this
Joey Chestnut character comes out of nowhere and just can
crush dogs like nothing we've seen before. Then last year
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he did like some sponsorship deal with the Meatless hot Dog, which, yeah,
that sounds pretty terrible. I'm just not gonna lie to you.
I don't know. They do not sponsor this show. But
and I'm not decrying any brand. And I don't even
like hot dogs. Yeah that's me. I don't. I mean,
I'll eat one. I mean they're still delicious, but I
don't like them just because hot dogs are they're like upcorn.
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They don't always taste good, but they always smell really good.
And there's a little bit kind of overpromise and underdeliver.
I'm I'm not gonna ide you. And look, there's lots
of great styles of eating hot dogs. I love a
Chicago dog. It's different. It's an eque you know, eate
throw tomatoes a little whatever was little pickle thingies are
in there. You know they're they're good. I you can
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be a snob and say you can't eat ketch up
on your hot dog. I disagree. Jay stew You and
I have discussed there's nothing special about a Dodger dog.
It's just a hot dog that's bought at a Dodger game.
But for whatever reason, the simplicity of the execution makes
you think you're buying something worth the I don't even
know how much Dodger dog is now, but whatever, you're
ever paying for it.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
And it also speaks to the It also speaks to
the power of alliteration. If you if you make something
illiterative in this country, people think it's a much bigger
deal than it is. It's the Dodger dog. Is that
kind of a lengthy hot dog that tastes the same
as most hot dogs, but they're Dodger dogs, So there's
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some gravity to that for whatever reason, and it works.
They're not gonna run from it. So yeah, it speaks
to the literation. And by the way, Chestnut, he crushed
seventy one hot dogs today. The record by him was
seventy six and ten minutes. But he did, I think,
eat twenty five more hot dogs than second place. He
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crushed the field, a remarkable return by the champion.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So so if he goes from seventy six to seventy
one is this, like, you know, when your velo is
just slightly down as a pitcher, like still dominant, but
you can see that we that we're no longer peak chestnut.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, and he's got to find more creative ways to win,
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, Well, so now he's not a thrower. Now he's
more of a pitcher. Now he's not an eater, he's
more of a cheer. I don't know what the I
don't know what the what the what? The proper term is,
uh you hit something?
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Yeah, I if I may? If if are you interested
in my story of my first Dodger dog because I
am not from LA like you, and uh am Southern
California like you and you and Jason.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Because I had this.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Grand vision in my head of a Dodger dog from
what I have been told about all this stuff. And
when I went to my first Dodger game and just
got a plain hot, long hot dog wrapped in foil,
I was supremely disappointed. Yeah, and I had already experienced
what I think is like LA's Better Dogs, which are
those bacon wrapped hot dogs you get literally anywhere, but
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mostly outside the Memorial Coliseum during USC games. But like
literally any anywhere.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Literally anywhere.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Yeah, those danger dogs are everywhere and they'll give you
like Plapania with them.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Isn't Pinky's compared to considered the best La dogs anyway?
And then of course you know, I mean if you
do the Tommy's Tommy's, but Tommy's also has dogs. That's
when you get yeah, Chilie do Yeah, what what Profeta
is talking about? And they do have it in New
York at a lot of places. Is you walk out
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of literally any sort of gathering, like I would be
surprised if when people get done with family cookouts and
they leave the park these days, there's like a group
of people selling and they smell so good. But Sofi
has there's so Fi the Forum, Uh into it? Staples
Dodger Stadium.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I believe when the LAFC. I believe when the protests
were happening here in La the other month, someone set
up a one of those cards on the one oh
one like they're nowhere. Yeah, no, I have a video app.
I will find it and send it to you later.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
That that sounds. Yes. The point is that when you
walk out of any of these things, there's a hot
dog wrapped in bacon and this again, this is the
false advertising of the hot dog. Hot dog and bacon.
Those are two the greatest smells. You can be the
most ardent vegetarian you know, and walk out and go
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I will, I will forget everything I've been taught or
any sort of conclusions I've come to about meat, because
I have to eat whatever smells so good. So then
you go too Dodger Stadium and you're like, world famous
Dodger dog, give me two, and they're like here you go,
and you unwrap the foil and there is a rather
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pale hot dog in a fresh, though moist bun. Right, Yeah,
it's a bit of a bummer. A bit of a bummer.
Had a buddy of mine who's in Chicago, who sent
me a picture of hot dogs. Everybody in Chicago knows
hot dogs, right, Chicago dogs as advertised are different than
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Dodger dogs, which are just hot dog foot long hot dogs. Sorry,
they're still good, but whatever you make of them is
whatever you want to put on them.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Anyway, Joey Chestnut seventy one dogs, I do. I mean,
I guess it's because he took the year off that
now we're like a triumphant return. But it is a
little bit of the home run derby to me. You know,
no matter how much Chris Berman wants to go back
back back back back back back back, like it's yeah,
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that's I don't know, that's not really you know, it's
it's like the eating like an eating contest should be.
I'd like that eating contest with those big Porterhouse steaks, right,
it was gigantic steaks where you get like, gotta eat
one and it takes dudes hours to do. You got
like an hour to eat like a seventy two ound steak,
and you gotta eat all the crystal and everything else.
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Whereas the hot dog thing, I think we've all come
to learn there is some sort of trick to it.
I don't know what the trick is, but it's like
a magic trick that that everyone sort of knows and
he maybe has cracked the code on how to make
it work better. Right, Because no matter how hungry you are,
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you can't get past five? Can you? Ja, Stu? Can
I normally eating a hot dog the hungriest you've ever been?
Could you get past five? Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Probably not five? I will say this, can't even get
past two? Eight? I always get two hot dogs at
the Dodger game, and it's just pure bliss. There's nothing
like a Dodger dog with mustard and onions. That's the
necessary thing. And a beer at a Dodger game. There's
just something about that combination. And if I am really
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really hungry, I'll probably get a third one. But yeah,
I think I think I have to stop at three,
don't you.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah. I think what happens is when you go get
the Dodger dog, and even when you hit the first beer,
it's like a hot day. You go to beer, like God,
it's so good. When you go back, I think the
the mental mentally, you're trying to get back to that
moment where you're having that first bite bliss again and
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you can't recapture it.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
No, it's the law of diminishing returns.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Uh, you know it.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Definitely the next one is not as good as the
last one, for sure.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I'm gonna tout this. Okay, So have you guys been
any been to Miller Park? Profet your Midwest guye Detroit, you'
have been a Miller Park?
Speaker 5 (09:33):
I have.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Milwaukee is one of those Midwest sudies I have not
been up to so.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Now Okay, they have these popcorn stands where they make
it fresh. But more than anything, they have the fresh
butter obviously sent their state. When I tell you it's
the best popcorn I've ever had my life, It's not
like I've just had popcorn and I've gone to the movies,
like I've gone through stretches of having popcorn every night
before I go to bed. When I do, I've done
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college basketball games. I need college basketball games for twenty
two years, okay, and now as a head coach, I
always have popcorn in Lockerike, they got popcorn can get
me just because it's so easy to get you. A
little salt fills you up, a little bit, smells good, whatever.
So I've had a lot of popcorn in my life.
I've probably chicken is probably the one thing I've had
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more than anything else. But outside of chicken, I'm not
sure popcorn isn't right there with hamburgers. Okay in terms
of how many times I have had a p saved
popcorn on a day in my forty nine years on
this earth. Okay, I'm telling you the popcorn, the fresh,
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the fresh made popcorn with the real butter at Miller
Park or now it's called amerit Oh man, I need
to know this because it's an insurance company that's big
and family. Oh god, what's the name.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Of the park that they used to be called American
American Family Field?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
At American Family Field? American Family is an insurance company. Anyway,
it's I'm not kidding. It's the best popcorn I've ever
had in my life. And I would challenge anybody now
if you're one of those I like dry popcorn, I'm
not really sure you should should exist on this earth.
But that's okay. Outside of people who like plane dry popcorn.
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It's the best popcorn I ever had. I don't know
how I got that aside.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
That surprises me because they have to mass produce those things,
and you uhually do get the kind of the stale
and a bag popcorn at the ballpark.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
No, but they have the regular popcorn at the regular concessions.
But then they have these red carts and they're like
big red carts. They're not like the little ones that
you can get like in your your game room at
your house, like a big red cart and there's a
you know, a woman or a man who's working there.
And then so they have like the popcorn being pop fresh,
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and then next to it they have the butter that's
just like boiling right there next to like real butter,
and they take like a ladle and they like sprinkle
it on, and then you take a little salt. You're like,
this is the great thing of ever have my life.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
That sounds amazing. It really amazing that way, and it's
still Yeah, I think I haven't had.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I don't know how they do it.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
The memory.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
There's a trick to it though, because again when you
try and do the real butter at home, the popcorn
can become mushy, still delicious, become mushy, right whatever. They
especially use a hot butter. The cold butter doesn't work,
So I don't know how they do it. But the
the popcorn still maintains its consistency though it has real
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butter spread it. How we get it? Oh, we're talking
about Jason, Jason, Jason. Now we're talking about Joey Chustnut. Yeah.
I just I don't know, guys. I just I love
the pump and circumstance and the sarcasm and how the
Nathan's people approach the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I do.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
It's fun, it's light, nothing else going on. But I
gotta be honest with you. It is like Home Run Derby.
We're like, I've seen this before.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
I know how it ends, and it's a tough watch.
Like I.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Did.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I caught the summary to see how he ranked against
his other his other events and everything else. But there's
a TV and studio here, and I could have watched
all seventy one dogs go down. I can't watch these
people eat those hot dogs, and I don't understand the
thirst for that, like people love watching people eat. Like
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it just seems it's just unsettling to me. I'm sorry,
it's not for me.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I think it's.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Different from watching people eat because I like plenty of
those what do they call them on YouTube? It's like
a Korean word muckbang or whatever. It's like, what is
it called muokbang?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
M uk ba ng. I haven't said anything sounds like
a dirty word. It's not. I swear, I swear to
God it's not.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
But I google that is. If I google that, will
I be I.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Think you're safe.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Yeah, okay, but I think this is different from watching
someone just have a nice meal. This is like watching
someone and we're seeing down hot dogs. Well, past their limit,
like not even enjoying the food as they're just shoving
it down their gullet and like working out the water
and everything. This is this is not this isn't how this.
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I think what turns people off from the hot doggieing
contest is like, this isn't how food is supposed to
be consumed, and yet somehow we're just doing something grotesque,
beyond beyond even gluttony.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I feel like I think people watch to see somebody
throw up.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah, that's too, but that also just makes it more disgusting.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
It's like it's like we were talking about this earlier
about you know, QFC potentially having a fight on the
White House lawn in a year, Right, There's a part
of me that watches because I like, because at the
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end of some of these fights, you might have somebody
lose an eyeball, you know, you might. They're just you know,
everybody know that meme with that woman who just looks
like her her face got rained over by a tractor, right,
and she's doing a postmatch interview. Like, there's part of
me that watches that for somebody's arms gonna get Oh
that's gross. So I do think that there's a portion
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of people that watch eating contests because they're secretly rooting
for somebody to just like in stand by Me, throw
up everybody else. Anyway, there's a recap. Joey Chestnut still
the World's Greatest, Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Champion, Okay, coming
(15:34):
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Doug Gottlieban for Colin This is the Herd iHeart radio
app Fox Sports Radio. I saw this story and I
thought it was really interesting that Lamar Jackson says he's
working on becoming more of a vocal leader. More of
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a vocal leader. Uh, this is Lamar Jackson on with
Kevin Hart. What was the most difficult adjusting for you
in the NFL?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Just been leader?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Okay, I'm been leading because I'm I really don't.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
I'm really not outspoken, like being vocal with my guys
like oh, let's do this, and that got a great
motivational speech.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
I don't have that, you know. I just pretty much lead.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
By his up.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
I'll go out there.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I'm gonna work hard.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
I expect that out of you. But as I've been going,
like growing in the league, it's like, nah, you.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Gotta talk to the guys coaches and stuff like to
talk to the guys.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I'm all right now.
Speaker 7 (17:20):
I talked to him one on one, but certain things
I'm saying, I gotta voice it more.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
It was my opinion, more to those guys.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I think it's a really hard thing. And I love
that Lamar h expresses that it's something that he doesn't do.
He's you know, honestly got to know who you are
in this world, especially as an athlete. But look, I
go back to my time playing in college. Our best
player up until my senior year was ironically same name
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as the running back in Oklahoma later on, Adrian Peterson.
And you know, the coaches wanted Adrian Peterson because I
Pete to be a vocal leader. Like, that's not who
he is. He was our best player, everybody respected him.
When he said things, people responded, but he's just not
a That wasn't who he was. And now in the
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in coaching, it's like same thing with point guards, right
like you want your point guard to be vocal and
be leader. On the other hand, it's really hard to
make somebody who's not into something that they're not. You
can make them better, like the Marken get better progressively
over it. But that's what I've heard of Lamar as well,
which is like he just goes and does the work
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and everybody likes him, and but in terms of in
front of a team or being demanding, it's not who
he is, you know, verbally, And I just it sounds
good to say to somebody, and it does. It's very
reasonable to go, I know myself, this is something I
need to do better. But the idea that you're going
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to go from not not being a vocal leader to
being one, it's not a you can get better, but
you don't become one. I don't think we'll get back
to some NFL stuff in a second. Let me get
to Jason Stewart and then oh, okay, I'm sorry, would
my mistake. We'll get Jay Stewart with the news upcoming. Yeah,
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I just I don't think you become a vocal leader.
It's not just overnight. Even over years, you'll become better
and better and better. And he's obviously earned the respective
of everybody in that franchise and everybody in the NFL. Right,
you've been doing it long enough, He've been doing it
really well. But that doesn't make somebody able to do something.
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They're just not company. That's just not who they are.
Here's another one. I played for a long time legendary
NBA head coach John McLeod when I played Notre Dame,
and you know, I had only played where coaches that
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were intense verbally my dad, my high school coach, I
played for two different high school coaches. They get after
it and they get after you, and they were demanding,
but demanding verbally, and so I'll never forget I played
not a Dave and John McLeod was the head coach
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at the time. And you know, coach had coached it
with Phoenix with the Suns in what's called the greatest
NBA Finals game ever in the four overtime game against
the Celtics. He coached the New York Knicks, and everything
he did he did with with class. If he had
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a problem with something you were doing, you'd get to
your dorm room. They would remember hotels, some of them
still have it where they have the little red light
that blinks when you have a message. Wasn't Notre Dame.
We had those phones in our rooms and you'd have
a message and the message would be from his secretary
to come down to meet coach. And you come down,
you say, h had secretary of Sahil says and coaches,
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and he walk down his office with the very back
office and you go in there and he'd offer you,
you know, a power raid or a water to drink
and close the door and you'd watch some film and
if he had something he needed to tell you. He'd
tell you so sternly, but only in person and not
in front of a group. And you know it wasn't
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obviously you weren't very good his first year in the
Big East. And yet he never lost his mind on us.
He never screamed at us. He didn't until and I'm
going to say it was like end of January. We're
playing at Boston College at the Conte Forum, and it
was a weird game because again this is how old
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I am. Thirty years ago. Massive snowstorees one of the
biggest snows snowy winters on record, and so we had
to fly into Albany instead of Boston. Bust to Boston.
We thought our game was gonna get postponed. It was
moved from seven at night to nine at night. There
might have been fifty people in the stands, because I mean,
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you move a game time and there's a gigantic snowstorm outside,
nothing else going on, and we're down like twenty one
and a half. We're just flat. Don't get me wrong,
they're better than us. But whether it's to travel or
just grew were mentally, I don't know. We're just flat.
And he lost his mind and started yelling at us,
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and it was like painful to listen to him yell.
I mean, here's a guy who's at the time, probably
in his late fifties to maybe early sixties. Classies can
be like watch beautiful gold like Rolex suit. His tie
was always immaculate, his hair was perfect like the guy
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smelled good like he wouldn't look he'd looked like a professional,
high level NBA coach and everything was classy and everything
would be like this, And then he lost his mind
on us and he tried to yell and he just
basically lost his voice yelling. And it dawned on me then,
which is like, you can't be something you're not. He
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wasn't a yeller, don't try and be a yeller. And
I would be fascinated to see what happens with if
Lamar tries to get onto people or you know, tries
to be more verbal and it's just not who he is.
So yeah, I think of those two people, of Adrian
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Peterson and of John McCleod, but I think of people
trying to make others into something they are not. You
can't make a non leader leader, and you can't make somebody.
Can't make somebody a yeller? Who's not a yeller?
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Yeah, profet I this kind of this kind of critique
that it has to be the quarterback who's you know,
the leader too, is like I'm going to imagine the
Ravens are nothing short of leaders on that offense. It
just happens to be one of them, one of the
vocal ones. Just isn't Lamar Jackson like it? Yeah, every
football team. It's just very odd that it seems to
(24:17):
be that we place this upon the quarter I know
why we do it. Why the quarterback is the one
that we always constantly look for the leader. But like
that Ravens offense has worked very well without such a
leader because they have other leaders there right now. It's
probably along the offensive line or you know, a wide
receiver that gets fired up, or even a position coach
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that gets fired up.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
But I I.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
It, Yeah, I'm with you. It just kind of feels
like this is a this is an odd archetype to
try to shove Lamar Jackson into. If you can't do it,
you can't do it.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I just I also, I think you just have to
find your way of leading.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, that's really what it is. He's right, you gotta
be you gotta be verbal, you gotta be demanding, but
you have to you have to lead in your way.
I don't think you can be successful with your quarterbacks
not your leader or one of you know, he's got
to be your leader, especially as much money, attention a
claim as he gets. You gotta be a leader. That
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that is the position. But in terms of yelling, getting
onto guys, being verbal, I do think you need it,
but I think you got to figure out how it
fits your personality and the dynamic of your group. Not
every not every group, not every year requires the same
type or amount of leadership. Let's get to Jason Stewart
(25:35):
with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
No, no, no, this is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Hello Jason, Hello Doug.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
So the Lakers have signed They're bringing back Jackson Hayes.
Uh big man, right, but he will obviously what back
up DeAndre Ayden? Big news the Lakers this week signing uh,
the former first overall pick DeAndre Ayton. So what do
you think about their uh, their situation in the post?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
They're Doug, Well, Jackson Hayes fits more. How Luca plays.
You know, Luca wants to come off and he he's
a lob guy. But it doesn't feel like the Lakers
love Jackson Hayes, So yeah, I don't. I don't know
what their dealer is with him. Uh DeAndre Ayton is
(26:29):
a pretty talented fella scoring the basketball, and he's good
on pick and roll, but he's a catch on the
roll and make a play sort of guy. And he's
not really a rim protector defensively. So the first thing
is those are two guys that are trying to find
that fit with Luka Donca, that's what they'll go to.
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But I don't think either make them a championship contender.
And the biggest issue with Ayton is he's not a
plus player defensively. And while you go with that, when
you have Luca, you have Lebron, you have Austin Reeves.
Those are three minuses defensively, and in the NBA now
(27:12):
you can only maybe have one, and he's still got
to be really good around that person defensively.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Over in Phoenix, there's a report that the Sons and
Bradley Beal are discussing a buyout two years, one hundred
and ten million dollars contract of the Room. Any contracts
Bradley Beal I think gets a lot of negative attention.
He wasn't available that much this past season, but at
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thirty two years old, how valuable would he be on
the market.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I think Bradley Beal is the classic best player and
a bad team every bad here's the expression in basketball,
every bad team as a leading scorer, Well what does
that mean? It was really hard to I've always liked
Bradley Beal, Like Bradley Beale supposedly like has like a
thirty two waist, Like the guy keeps himself in unbelievable shape,
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just a stud and no matter how bad they were
in Washington, always professional. But he gets to the Suns
and it's been an abject disaster, and it leads you
to think, like, yeah, he's It's the Damian Lillard thing
where people for years like get him out of there,
get him on a championship team, get him on a
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better team so his talents can get recognized. Then you
put him on a better team in they're not nearly
that good. That's where I think he is.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Doug lost in the whole Quainton Kershall three thousand strikeout
the other night, like literally like a couple pitches before
he got that three thousand k Max Munsey had a
very scary situation at third base where he was covering
a runner trying to steal third base, and the replay
shows that Max Muntsey took a real shot to the knee.
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The Dodgers feared the worst, but they actually got some
pretty good news yesterday as it's there's no structural damage
and they're probably going to be without him for several weeks.
Monthly has been on a tear for the past three
or four weeks. He will be missed, but good news
for the Dodgers, it looks like he's going to be
back by the end of the season.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
That is good news, but it was a scary one.
Like every person who say it, like me is a
medical professional on social media's like ooh, ooh, what do
we think? What do we think that is? He starts
sending it to your friends, profet, I've never asked you.
Jase dow has answered this one three ties people in
this world. You hear about an injury, you either don't
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want to see it ever, don't show it to me,
I don't care. Type two is I want to see
it once just a cataloging, so I know what everybody's
talking about Type three is. I just put it on replay.
I want to see it as many times as possible.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Wish for you.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I think I would state I am a Type one. However,
I think the curiosity in me is so strong that
I end up begrudgingly being a Type two. I will
never admit openly of being the Type two to people,
but I will eventually just just to get a frame
of context about it. I do have bad luck in
that I keep seeing a lot of these things live.
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Because I saw Kevin Ware's injury live. I saw who
is a USC fighter? Oh Anderson Silva. Specifically, something about
legs bothers me if it's a leg injury. I try
not to watch it as best I can, just because
there's something about a leg that just really does not work.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Well with me.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Jay Stu, I certainly do not want to watch those things.
In fact, the other night there was there was this
thing that happened on the Y broadcast where they didn't
show the replay of it, and then, to make matters
a little bit more scary, the broadcaster at the time said,
we're not going to show the replay We've decided as
a production crew not to show the replay. So you're like,
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oh my god, did his leg fall off? So considering
all the drama, again, this diagnosis is pretty good news.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
The Dodgers have plenty to fill in. They even have
a trade deadline to add, maybe an extra glove if
they want it. Personally, I wouldn't mind them seeing maybe
given Will Smith some reps at third get them out
from beyond home plate. But yeah, good news for the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Here, Yes, in escape for the Dodgers. Because it it
it looks worse and that's Jesus. Start with the news.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Steelers a kind of acting unstealer like, right, A traditionally conservative,
successful organization is tired of just being good? But have
they made the right moves to be great? Well that's
Mark Dominic. He joins his next in the Hurt.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 1 (32:13):
What up?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Dou gottlieb in for Collins heard Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app.
Mark Stinal joined us. Next hour, we'll talk about I mean,
does Lebron legit want to be traded? Like Brian Windhors
kind of opened the door. I think that was yesterday.
That's next hour on the show. But in the meantime,
let's focus our attention on the NFL. And it's a
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kind of a unique year. I saw where you guys
see where emanuelat show predicted that this is going to
be the beginning of a Super Bowl as streak from
the Jets. Now here's my issue, and he did provide
some substance to his argument. My issue is I get
that this is like the Tom Brady fall off that
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Max Kellerman and Rob Parker and others predicted, and it
never really came to fruition, never really came to fruition.
He wasn't great his last year in Tampa, but he
was good enough. His team wasn't very good, he was
outstanding for the most part. I mean had look even
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in Green Bay when they beat the Packers. You know
that was that COVID year half full stadium. He was
bad in the second half, but spectacul in the first half.
But my point is that calling somebody's career beginning the
downward trend and decline is not an unreasonable thing, and
eventually somebody's going to be right if you make that
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prediction every year, But I mean every year Patrick Mahomes
has been the starting quarterback of the Chiefs, they've at
minimum reached the AFC Championship Game. So it's not like
you've got to be flogged for saying it. But don't
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tell me you're pregnant. Show me the baby. You know,
if you don't think they're going through a Super Bowl,
that's fine. They may not. You may end up right,
Jase do You and I are Charger fans hardcore, But
there's not one moment of any day in which either
of us if you said, hey, gun to your head,
you got to put your salary or even a monthly
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salary on a team to win the AFC West, that
we would pick anybody other than the Kansasy Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Is that fair, Jase dou Yeah, no, no doubt that's fair.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
All right, more football talk. Let's welcome in Mark Dominic,
good friend of my show, The Doug Gottlieb Show Course,
gentle manager the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He spent his entire
professional life in the NFL, scouting in the front offices,
and now I appearing with us in the Herd on
Fox Sports Radio. Help me understand why we'll get to
the Steelers on the whole, and maybe that's what it's
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related to. But why not extend? TJ.
Speaker 7 (35:00):
Watt, Well, I think you want to because I still
believe there's a lot of good football inside of him.
It might be more of a Steeler's mentality of like
how they negotiate. You know, Omar Khan, the general manager there,
came from obviously the salary cap side, and Pittsburgh has
been notoriously a little trickier to negotiate with.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
And I think that's part of it.
Speaker 7 (35:23):
And I think what Pittsburgh's gonna have to do if
they don't extend, in which I think they should. I
think it's very reasonable. I mean, the numbers astronomical even
at his age, but I think he's got at least
two years one plus two, so three more years in
him at I think a ten plus tag type of performance.
So it's just a matter of, you know, understanding the
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dynamics of how you could structure it. The only other
thing Pittsburgh can do is really sweetened up this year's
deal with a lot of incentives to say, hey, look,
play this one out, go hit free and see find
out what you're worth. We won't franchise tag you. That's
the only other way I think you'll get to the
right spot.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Okay, you look at what they've done. Aaron Rodgers like, yeah,
probably my last year. Last year, they go and trade
for Jalen Ramsey, they go and make some moves. It's
for the For the Steelers, this is kind of an
all in approach, right whereas they've been kind of a
picture of consistency and that's their usual approach. Do you
like what they put in place? If this is just
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a one year run to try and you know, take
a shot at the Super Bowl? I like it.
Speaker 7 (36:28):
I don't love it. There's a couple of things that
really make me nervous about the Steelers. Number one, and
I hate to say it, but you know, Rogert Jones,
their first rounder back in twenty three, is going to
have to carry a lot of weight, meaning you know,
he has been up and down when he's been on
the field, and I'm worried that Aaron Rodgers is going
to feel a lot of pressure from the left side.
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I think that's a big stretch there that they've got
to deal with. I think center guard and right tackle
they're in great shape. You know, John news Smith is
gonna bring him little more speed with Farremouth, so I
appreciate that. You know, they've got some veteran receivers there,
but they don't have a lot of depth at wide receiver.
So there's you know, it would be important for Roman
Wilson and you know, get on the field this year
and see what he can do. I think he does
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come down to t J. Watt as much as I
think Aaron can lift his team. The problem is you've
got to have wa on the football field, and you
still have Cincinnati, and you still have the Ravens, and
so yeah, you could push, and I think that's what
they're thinking. It's like, how do we get over that hump?
Because if we can win at a vision, we got
a chance to go to the super Bowl. Right now,
I still see Pittsburgh as a ten to maybe eleven
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win season type of teams, but I don't think they're
good enough overall to surpass where the Ravens are.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah, there was this there's a story out there where
Lamar Jackson he actually told Kevin Hart like, hey, I
gotta be more vocal. I gotta I got to get
better at that. I got to be more of a
vocal leader. From from my perspective, I don't think you
could make somebody who's not a vocal leader and do
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a vocal leader. Am I You've been around this long time?
I wrong?
Speaker 7 (38:01):
No, you're not wrong. I think you either are or
you're not. You know, you lead by example and work
ethic or you you can vocally lead people because you
know the right thing to say at the right time.
There's one thing that that there's that need to be
more vocal, but it's it's I think the vocal leaders
that are really good know exactly what to say. I mean,
how many times have we watched Ray Lewis pregame speech
and you're like, that guy nailed it. He's just like
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that guy's are a really great pregame speecher speaker. And
so you see different guys have that, and that's why
you know things like why do scouts go to practice
when you can watch everything on tape well, because you
can see how a guy is a leader, Like why
do we like the East West Shrine, Why do we
like the Senior Bowl because we get to see guys
in leadership roles and see how they do this as
natural to them and so all that's part of the
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evaluation process. But I agree, I think it's a lot
harder for somebody. I don't think you can. I shouldn'tay
it's a lot harder. I don't think you can become
the suddenly this vocal leader because I just don't think
it's natural. That's why you haven't been like that since
the beginning.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
What's your take on Jordan love And I asked that
because you and I we've talked weekly here for the
last couple of years. I was surprised when they extended
him despite kind of a limited sample size baby to
the extent that they paid him. The numbers were astronomical
in terms of touchdowns, but there was a string of turnovers,
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and he is inexperience and is relatively young and didn't
have a number one wide receiver. But they also didn't
play well in division games. They won one division game
and that's on a botch special teams play by the Bears.
A couple of years into being a starter. Where are
you and Jordan Love.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Well?
Speaker 7 (39:44):
I would sit there and I know at the end
of the season, they had a couple of really, really
tough losses by a couple of points, like you just mentioned,
and I think that was certainly kind of what hurt
them through the whole season. But I think when I
look at Jordan Love, I have been impressed even more
than I think I was originally going to be the candid.
I saw a good player, but I didn't think he
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would be this level. Yeah. I know last year may
not have been you know, his best in completions, in
yards and touchdowns, et cetera. But I still believe in
him in terms of how good he is with the
touchdown interception ratio, and that's a critical thing. And I
know it seems so simplistic, but look at the Trevor
Lawrence is the world. Look at the guys that really
struggle in this area, and Jordan Love has it. And
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some of that might be systemed, but he's still got
to make good decisions. I think the Packers are much
better football team, you know, I think overall, I think
they're going to be right there with Detroit in terms
of battling for the division title. And I don't see
any reason why Jordan Love is going to take any
more of a quote unquote step back. I certainly, you know,
believe that a couple things are going to happen for
him this year. Number one, you talked about it, Matthew
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Golden's on the roster, and that's going to be another
big weapon for him. That's going to be important. But
number two is Luke Musgrave will be back. And I
think that they missed having Tuckercraft and Musgrave informations out
on the field lest year that really hurt them, and
so I think that's going to be a big piece
for them and why they're going to be a better team.
And I think it's also going to be better on defense,
you know, because they're more familiar now with obviously Jeff
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Hapley in the system and getting more and more concise
and set in that role. So I like this team,
you know. I think they're going to battle Detroit. I
don't think as a slamdunky Detroit wins this division. I
think the Green Bay Packers are right there.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
All right, we are on Collins Show. I got thirty seconds.
Are you a buyer into the new Caleb Williams the
year two new coach, more offensive weapons running to Kayleb Williams.
Speaker 7 (41:30):
I think we're gonna see a consistent I think we're
gonna see a lot of the same Caleb Williams we
saw last year. I think it's going to be good,
but I don't think it's going to go to the
next level.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Right, all right, that's Mark Domin. Mark, have a great fourth.
We'll talk to you this week. Thanks for being our guests.
Speaker 7 (41:43):
Great talking to you. Have a great fourth.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
That's Mark Dominic, who's the long time in the Nashville
the League foreign jail manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the Herd on Fox Ports.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
What up? Welcome in this urged the Herd. Whatever you
may be in, how red you may be making this
part of your day. Yeah, I don't know what that
sentence was. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottliebe in for
Colin Cowherd and for the next two hours, I want
to talk sports with you from Powway to Escondido, all
the way up to Santa Clarita. Jason Stewart in about
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five people in southern California smiled and knew what that
was or who that was. Joey Chestnut just eate seventy
two dogs in the Hot dog eating contest. Right, there
is something about the Hot dog Eating Contest which feels
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feels a lot like the home run Derby. It's a
lot like the home run Derby. You know, when it
first made it big, and it was Kobayashi. It was cool.
Then all of a sudden, you know, we have this
Joey Chestnut character comes out of nowhere and just can
crush dogs like nothing we've seen before. Then last year
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he did like some sponsorship deal with the Meatless hot Dog, which, yeah,
that sounds pretty terrible. I'm just not gonna lie to you.
I don't know. They do not sponsor this show. But
and I'm not decrying any brand. And I don't even
like hot dogs. Yeah that's me. I don't. I mean,
I'll eat one. I mean they're still delicious, but I
don't like them just because hot dogs are they're like upcorn.
(02:01):
They don't always taste good, but they always smell really good.
And there's a little bit kind of overpromise and underdeliver.
I'm I'm not gonna ide you. And look, there's lots
of great styles of eating hot dogs. I love a
Chicago dog. It's different. It's an eque you know, eate
throw tomatoes a little whatever was little pickle thingies are
in there. You know they're they're good. I you can
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be a snob and say you can't eat ketch up
on your hot dog. I disagree. Jay stew You and
I have discussed there's nothing special about a Dodger dog.
It's just a hot dog that's bought at a Dodger game.
But for whatever reason, the simplicity of the execution makes
you think you're buying something worth the I don't even
know how much Dodger dog is now, but whatever, you're
ever paying for it.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
And it also speaks to the It also speaks to
the power of alliteration. If you if you make something
illiterative in this country, people think it's a much bigger
deal than it is. It's the Dodger dog. Is that
kind of a lengthy hot dog that tastes the same
as most hot dogs, but they're Dodger dogs, So there's
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some gravity to that for whatever reason, and it works.
They're not gonna run from it. So yeah, it speaks
to the literation. And by the way, Chestnut, he crushed
seventy one hot dogs today. The record by him was
seventy six and ten minutes. But he did, I think,
eat twenty five more hot dogs than second place. He
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crushed the field, a remarkable return by the champion.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
So so if he goes from seventy six to seventy
one is this, like, you know, when your velo is
just slightly down as a pitcher, like still dominant, but
you can see that we that we're no longer peak chestnut.
Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, and he's got to find more creative ways to win,
you know.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, Well, so now he's not a thrower. Now he's
more of a pitcher. Now he's not an eater, he's
more of a cheer. I don't know what the I
don't know what the what the what? The proper term is,
uh you hit something?
Speaker 5 (04:04):
Yeah, I if I may? If if are you interested
in my story of my first Dodger dog because I
am not from LA like you, and uh am Southern
California like you and you and Jason.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Because I had this.
Speaker 5 (04:17):
Grand vision in my head of a Dodger dog from
what I have been told about all this stuff. And
when I went to my first Dodger game and just
got a plain hot, long hot dog wrapped in foil,
I was supremely disappointed. Yeah, and I had already experienced
what I think is like LA's Better Dogs, which are
those bacon wrapped hot dogs you get literally anywhere, but
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mostly outside the Memorial Coliseum during USC games. But like
literally any anywhere.
Speaker 4 (04:45):
Literally anywhere.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
Yeah, those danger dogs are everywhere and they'll give you
like Plapania with them.
Speaker 3 (04:51):
Isn't Pinky's compared to considered the best La dogs anyway?
And then of course you know, I mean if you
do the Tommy's Tommy's, but Tommy's also has dogs. That's
when you get yeah, Chilie do Yeah, what what Profeta
is talking about? And they do have it in New
York at a lot of places. Is you walk out
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of literally any sort of gathering, like I would be
surprised if when people get done with family cookouts and
they leave the park these days, there's like a group
of people selling and they smell so good. But Sofi
has there's so Fi the Forum, Uh into it? Staples
Dodger Stadium.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
I believe when the LAFC. I believe when the protests
were happening here in La the other month, someone set
up a one of those cards on the one oh
one like they're nowhere. Yeah, no, I have a video app.
I will find it and send it to you later.
Speaker 3 (05:46):
That that sounds. Yes. The point is that when you
walk out of any of these things, there's a hot
dog wrapped in bacon and this again, this is the
false advertising of the hot dog. Hot dog and bacon.
Those are two the greatest smells. You can be the
most ardent vegetarian you know, and walk out and go
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I will, I will forget everything I've been taught or
any sort of conclusions I've come to about meat, because
I have to eat whatever smells so good. So then
you go too Dodger Stadium and you're like, world famous
Dodger dog, give me two, and they're like here you go,
and you unwrap the foil and there is a rather
(06:29):
pale hot dog in a fresh, though moist bun. Right, Yeah,
it's a bit of a bummer. A bit of a bummer.
Had a buddy of mine who's in Chicago, who sent
me a picture of hot dogs. Everybody in Chicago knows
hot dogs, right, Chicago dogs as advertised are different than
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Dodger dogs, which are just hot dog foot long hot dogs. Sorry,
they're still good, but whatever you make of them is
whatever you want to put on them.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Anyway, Joey Chestnut seventy one dogs, I do. I mean,
I guess it's because he took the year off that
now we're like a triumphant return. But it is a
little bit of the home run derby to me. You know,
no matter how much Chris Berman wants to go back
back back back back back back back, like it's yeah,
(07:26):
that's I don't know, that's not really you know, it's
it's like the eating like an eating contest should be.
I'd like that eating contest with those big Porterhouse steaks, right,
it was gigantic steaks where you get like, gotta eat
one and it takes dudes hours to do. You got
like an hour to eat like a seventy two ound steak,
and you gotta eat all the crystal and everything else.
(07:48):
Whereas the hot dog thing, I think we've all come
to learn there is some sort of trick to it.
I don't know what the trick is, but it's like
a magic trick that that everyone sort of knows and
he maybe has cracked the code on how to make
it work better. Right, Because no matter how hungry you are,
(08:10):
you can't get past five? Can you? Ja, Stu? Can
I normally eating a hot dog the hungriest you've ever been?
Could you get past five? Oh?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
Probably not five? I will say this, can't even get
past two? Eight? I always get two hot dogs at
the Dodger game, and it's just pure bliss. There's nothing
like a Dodger dog with mustard and onions. That's the
necessary thing. And a beer at a Dodger game. There's
just something about that combination. And if I am really
(08:45):
really hungry, I'll probably get a third one. But yeah,
I think I think I have to stop at three,
don't you.
Speaker 3 (08:53):
Yeah. I think what happens is when you go get
the Dodger dog, and even when you hit the first beer,
it's like a hot day. You go to beer, like God,
it's so good. When you go back, I think the
the mental mentally, you're trying to get back to that
moment where you're having that first bite bliss again and
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you can't recapture it.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
No, it's the law of diminishing returns.
Speaker 3 (09:20):
Uh, you know it.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Definitely the next one is not as good as the
last one, for sure.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
I'm gonna tout this. Okay, So have you guys been
any been to Miller Park? Profet your Midwest guye Detroit, you'
have been a Miller Park?
Speaker 5 (09:33):
I have.
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Milwaukee is one of those Midwest sudies I have not
been up to so.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
Now Okay, they have these popcorn stands where they make
it fresh. But more than anything, they have the fresh
butter obviously sent their state. When I tell you it's
the best popcorn I've ever had my life, It's not
like I've just had popcorn and I've gone to the movies,
like I've gone through stretches of having popcorn every night
before I go to bed. When I do, I've done
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college basketball games. I need college basketball games for twenty
two years, okay, and now as a head coach, I
always have popcorn in Lockerike, they got popcorn can get
me just because it's so easy to get you. A
little salt fills you up, a little bit, smells good, whatever.
So I've had a lot of popcorn in my life.
I've probably chicken is probably the one thing I've had
(10:17):
more than anything else. But outside of chicken, I'm not
sure popcorn isn't right there with hamburgers. Okay in terms
of how many times I have had a p saved
popcorn on a day in my forty nine years on
this earth. Okay, I'm telling you the popcorn, the fresh,
(10:39):
the fresh made popcorn with the real butter at Miller
Park or now it's called amerit Oh man, I need
to know this because it's an insurance company that's big
and family. Oh god, what's the name.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
Of the park that they used to be called American
American Family Field?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
At American Family Field? American Family is an insurance company. Anyway,
it's I'm not kidding. It's the best popcorn I've ever
had in my life. And I would challenge anybody now
if you're one of those I like dry popcorn, I'm
not really sure you should should exist on this earth.
But that's okay. Outside of people who like plane dry popcorn.
(11:21):
It's the best popcorn I ever had. I don't know
how I got that aside.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
That surprises me because they have to mass produce those things,
and you uhually do get the kind of the stale
and a bag popcorn at the ballpark.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
No, but they have the regular popcorn at the regular concessions.
But then they have these red carts and they're like
big red carts. They're not like the little ones that
you can get like in your your game room at
your house, like a big red cart and there's a
you know, a woman or a man who's working there.
And then so they have like the popcorn being pop fresh,
(11:54):
and then next to it they have the butter that's
just like boiling right there next to like real butter,
and they take like a ladle and they like sprinkle
it on, and then you take a little salt. You're like,
this is the great thing of ever have my life.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
That sounds amazing. It really amazing that way, and it's
still Yeah, I think I haven't had.
Speaker 3 (12:11):
I don't know how they do it.
Speaker 4 (12:12):
The memory.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
There's a trick to it though, because again when you
try and do the real butter at home, the popcorn
can become mushy, still delicious, become mushy, right whatever. They
especially use a hot butter. The cold butter doesn't work,
So I don't know how they do it. But the
the popcorn still maintains its consistency though it has real
(12:33):
butter spread it. How we get it? Oh, we're talking
about Jason, Jason, Jason. Now we're talking about Joey Chustnut. Yeah.
I just I don't know, guys. I just I love
the pump and circumstance and the sarcasm and how the
Nathan's people approach the whole thing.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I do.
Speaker 3 (12:53):
It's fun, it's light, nothing else going on. But I
gotta be honest with you. It is like Home Run Derby.
We're like, I've seen this before.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
I know how it ends, and it's a tough watch.
Like I.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Did.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
I caught the summary to see how he ranked against
his other his other events and everything else. But there's
a TV and studio here, and I could have watched
all seventy one dogs go down. I can't watch these
people eat those hot dogs, and I don't understand the
thirst for that, like people love watching people eat. Like
(13:26):
it just seems it's just unsettling to me. I'm sorry,
it's not for me.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
I think it's.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Different from watching people eat because I like plenty of
those what do they call them on YouTube? It's like
a Korean word muckbang or whatever. It's like, what is
it called muokbang?
Speaker 4 (13:41):
M uk ba ng. I haven't said anything sounds like
a dirty word. It's not. I swear, I swear to
God it's not.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
But I google that is. If I google that, will
I be I.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Think you're safe.
Speaker 5 (13:52):
Yeah, okay, but I think this is different from watching
someone just have a nice meal. This is like watching
someone and we're seeing down hot dogs. Well, past their limit,
like not even enjoying the food as they're just shoving
it down their gullet and like working out the water
and everything. This is this is not this isn't how this.
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I think what turns people off from the hot doggieing
contest is like, this isn't how food is supposed to
be consumed, and yet somehow we're just doing something grotesque,
beyond beyond even gluttony.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I feel like I think people watch to see somebody
throw up.
Speaker 4 (14:30):
Yeah, that's too, but that also just makes it more disgusting.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
It's like it's like we were talking about this earlier
about you know, QFC potentially having a fight on the
White House lawn in a year, Right, There's a part
of me that watches because I like, because at the
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end of some of these fights, you might have somebody
lose an eyeball, you know, you might. They're just you know,
everybody know that meme with that woman who just looks
like her her face got rained over by a tractor, right,
and she's doing a postmatch interview. Like, there's part of
me that watches that for somebody's arms gonna get Oh
that's gross. So I do think that there's a portion
(15:14):
of people that watch eating contests because they're secretly rooting
for somebody to just like in stand by Me, throw
up everybody else. Anyway, there's a recap. Joey Chestnut still
the World's Greatest, Nathan's Hot Dog Eating Champion, Okay, coming
(15:34):
up next in them Doug Gottlieber filling in for Colin Uh.
Why are the Pittsburgh Steelers not extending TJ Watt former
GM will tell us next.
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Speaker 3 (16:27):
Doug Gottlieban for Colin This is the Herd iHeart radio
app Fox Sports Radio. I saw this story and I
thought it was really interesting that Lamar Jackson says he's
working on becoming more of a vocal leader. More of
(16:48):
a vocal leader. Uh, this is Lamar Jackson on with
Kevin Hart. What was the most difficult adjusting for you
in the NFL?
Speaker 4 (16:57):
Just been leader?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Okay, I'm been leading because I'm I really don't.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
I'm really not outspoken, like being vocal with my guys
like oh, let's do this, and that got a great
motivational speech.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
I don't have that, you know. I just pretty much lead.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
By his up.
Speaker 7 (17:09):
I'll go out there.
Speaker 2 (17:10):
I'm gonna work hard.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
I expect that out of you. But as I've been going,
like growing in the league, it's like, nah, you.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Gotta talk to the guys coaches and stuff like to
talk to the guys.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
I'm all right now.
Speaker 7 (17:20):
I talked to him one on one, but certain things
I'm saying, I gotta voice it more.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
It was my opinion, more to those guys.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
I think it's a really hard thing. And I love
that Lamar h expresses that it's something that he doesn't do.
He's you know, honestly got to know who you are
in this world, especially as an athlete. But look, I
go back to my time playing in college. Our best
player up until my senior year was ironically same name
(17:49):
as the running back in Oklahoma later on, Adrian Peterson.
And you know, the coaches wanted Adrian Peterson because I
Pete to be a vocal leader. Like, that's not who
he is. He was our best player, everybody respected him.
When he said things, people responded, but he's just not
a That wasn't who he was. And now in the
(18:10):
in coaching, it's like same thing with point guards, right
like you want your point guard to be vocal and
be leader. On the other hand, it's really hard to
make somebody who's not into something that they're not. You
can make them better, like the Marken get better progressively
over it. But that's what I've heard of Lamar as well,
which is like he just goes and does the work
(18:32):
and everybody likes him, and but in terms of in
front of a team or being demanding, it's not who
he is, you know, verbally, And I just it sounds
good to say to somebody, and it does. It's very
reasonable to go, I know myself, this is something I
need to do better. But the idea that you're going
(18:52):
to go from not not being a vocal leader to
being one, it's not a you can get better, but
you don't become one. I don't think we'll get back
to some NFL stuff in a second. Let me get
to Jason Stewart and then oh, okay, I'm sorry, would
my mistake. We'll get Jay Stewart with the news upcoming. Yeah,
(19:17):
I just I don't think you become a vocal leader.
It's not just overnight. Even over years, you'll become better
and better and better. And he's obviously earned the respective
of everybody in that franchise and everybody in the NFL. Right,
you've been doing it long enough, He've been doing it
really well. But that doesn't make somebody able to do something.
(19:38):
They're just not company. That's just not who they are.
Here's another one. I played for a long time legendary
NBA head coach John McLeod when I played Notre Dame,
and you know, I had only played where coaches that
(20:01):
were intense verbally my dad, my high school coach, I
played for two different high school coaches. They get after
it and they get after you, and they were demanding,
but demanding verbally, and so I'll never forget I played
not a Dave and John McLeod was the head coach
(20:23):
at the time. And you know, coach had coached it
with Phoenix with the Suns in what's called the greatest
NBA Finals game ever in the four overtime game against
the Celtics. He coached the New York Knicks, and everything
he did he did with with class. If he had
(20:43):
a problem with something you were doing, you'd get to
your dorm room. They would remember hotels, some of them
still have it where they have the little red light
that blinks when you have a message. Wasn't Notre Dame.
We had those phones in our rooms and you'd have
a message and the message would be from his secretary
to come down to meet coach. And you come down,
you say, h had secretary of Sahil says and coaches,
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and he walk down his office with the very back
office and you go in there and he'd offer you,
you know, a power raid or a water to drink
and close the door and you'd watch some film and
if he had something he needed to tell you. He'd
tell you so sternly, but only in person and not
in front of a group. And you know it wasn't
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obviously you weren't very good his first year in the
Big East. And yet he never lost his mind on us.
He never screamed at us. He didn't until and I'm
going to say it was like end of January. We're
playing at Boston College at the Conte Forum, and it
was a weird game because again this is how old
(21:52):
I am. Thirty years ago. Massive snowstorees one of the
biggest snows snowy winters on record, and so we had
to fly into Albany instead of Boston. Bust to Boston.
We thought our game was gonna get postponed. It was
moved from seven at night to nine at night. There
might have been fifty people in the stands, because I mean,
(22:13):
you move a game time and there's a gigantic snowstorm outside,
nothing else going on, and we're down like twenty one
and a half. We're just flat. Don't get me wrong,
they're better than us. But whether it's to travel or
just grew were mentally, I don't know. We're just flat.
And he lost his mind and started yelling at us,
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and it was like painful to listen to him yell.
I mean, here's a guy who's at the time, probably
in his late fifties to maybe early sixties. Classies can
be like watch beautiful gold like Rolex suit. His tie
was always immaculate, his hair was perfect like the guy
(22:55):
smelled good like he wouldn't look he'd looked like a professional,
high level NBA coach and everything was classy and everything
would be like this, And then he lost his mind
on us and he tried to yell and he just
basically lost his voice yelling. And it dawned on me then,
which is like, you can't be something you're not. He
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wasn't a yeller, don't try and be a yeller. And
I would be fascinated to see what happens with if
Lamar tries to get onto people or you know, tries
to be more verbal and it's just not who he is.
So yeah, I think of those two people, of Adrian
(23:39):
Peterson and of John McCleod, but I think of people
trying to make others into something they are not. You
can't make a non leader leader, and you can't make somebody.
Can't make somebody a yeller? Who's not a yeller?
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Yeah, profet I this kind of this kind of critique
that it has to be the quarterback who's you know,
the leader too, is like I'm going to imagine the
Ravens are nothing short of leaders on that offense. It
just happens to be one of them, one of the
vocal ones. Just isn't Lamar Jackson like it? Yeah, every
football team. It's just very odd that it seems to
(24:17):
be that we place this upon the quarter I know
why we do it. Why the quarterback is the one
that we always constantly look for the leader. But like
that Ravens offense has worked very well without such a
leader because they have other leaders there right now. It's
probably along the offensive line or you know, a wide
receiver that gets fired up, or even a position coach
(24:37):
that gets fired up.
Speaker 3 (24:38):
But I I.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
It, Yeah, I'm with you. It just kind of feels
like this is a this is an odd archetype to
try to shove Lamar Jackson into. If you can't do it,
you can't do it.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
I just I also, I think you just have to
find your way of leading.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
Yeah, that's really what it is. He's right, you gotta
be you gotta be verbal, you gotta be demanding, but
you have to you have to lead in your way.
I don't think you can be successful with your quarterbacks
not your leader or one of you know, he's got
to be your leader, especially as much money, attention a
claim as he gets. You gotta be a leader. That
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that is the position. But in terms of yelling, getting
onto guys, being verbal, I do think you need it,
but I think you got to figure out how it
fits your personality and the dynamic of your group. Not
every not every group, not every year requires the same
type or amount of leadership. Let's get to Jason Stewart
(25:35):
with the news.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
No, no, no, this is the Herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Hello Jason, Hello Doug.
Speaker 4 (25:49):
So the Lakers have signed They're bringing back Jackson Hayes.
Uh big man, right, but he will obviously what back
up DeAndre Ayden? Big news the Lakers this week signing uh,
the former first overall pick DeAndre Ayton. So what do
you think about their uh, their situation in the post?
Speaker 3 (26:08):
They're Doug, Well, Jackson Hayes fits more. How Luca plays.
You know, Luca wants to come off and he he's
a lob guy. But it doesn't feel like the Lakers
love Jackson Hayes, So yeah, I don't. I don't know
what their dealer is with him. Uh DeAndre Ayton is
(26:29):
a pretty talented fella scoring the basketball, and he's good
on pick and roll, but he's a catch on the
roll and make a play sort of guy. And he's
not really a rim protector defensively. So the first thing
is those are two guys that are trying to find
that fit with Luka Donca, that's what they'll go to.
(26:50):
But I don't think either make them a championship contender.
And the biggest issue with Ayton is he's not a
plus player defensively. And while you go with that, when
you have Luca, you have Lebron, you have Austin Reeves.
Those are three minuses defensively, and in the NBA now
(27:12):
you can only maybe have one, and he's still got
to be really good around that person defensively.
Speaker 4 (27:18):
Over in Phoenix, there's a report that the Sons and
Bradley Beal are discussing a buyout two years, one hundred
and ten million dollars contract of the Room. Any contracts
Bradley Beal I think gets a lot of negative attention.
He wasn't available that much this past season, but at
(27:41):
thirty two years old, how valuable would he be on
the market.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
I think Bradley Beal is the classic best player and
a bad team every bad here's the expression in basketball,
every bad team as a leading scorer, Well what does
that mean? It was really hard to I've always liked
Bradley Beal, Like Bradley Beale supposedly like has like a
thirty two waist, Like the guy keeps himself in unbelievable shape,
(28:08):
just a stud and no matter how bad they were
in Washington, always professional. But he gets to the Suns
and it's been an abject disaster, and it leads you
to think, like, yeah, he's It's the Damian Lillard thing
where people for years like get him out of there,
get him on a championship team, get him on a
(28:30):
better team so his talents can get recognized. Then you
put him on a better team in they're not nearly
that good. That's where I think he is.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
Doug lost in the whole Quainton Kershall three thousand strikeout
the other night, like literally like a couple pitches before
he got that three thousand k Max Munsey had a
very scary situation at third base where he was covering
a runner trying to steal third base, and the replay
shows that Max Muntsey took a real shot to the knee.
(29:04):
The Dodgers feared the worst, but they actually got some
pretty good news yesterday as it's there's no structural damage
and they're probably going to be without him for several weeks.
Monthly has been on a tear for the past three
or four weeks. He will be missed, but good news
for the Dodgers, it looks like he's going to be
back by the end of the season.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
That is good news, but it was a scary one.
Like every person who say it, like me is a
medical professional on social media's like ooh, ooh, what do
we think? What do we think that is? He starts
sending it to your friends, profet, I've never asked you.
Jase dow has answered this one three ties people in
this world. You hear about an injury, you either don't
(29:49):
want to see it ever, don't show it to me,
I don't care. Type two is I want to see
it once just a cataloging, so I know what everybody's
talking about Type three is. I just put it on replay.
I want to see it as many times as possible.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
Wish for you.
Speaker 5 (30:03):
I think I would state I am a Type one. However,
I think the curiosity in me is so strong that
I end up begrudgingly being a Type two. I will
never admit openly of being the Type two to people,
but I will eventually just just to get a frame
of context about it. I do have bad luck in
that I keep seeing a lot of these things live.
(30:25):
Because I saw Kevin Ware's injury live. I saw who
is a USC fighter? Oh Anderson Silva. Specifically, something about
legs bothers me if it's a leg injury. I try
not to watch it as best I can, just because
there's something about a leg that just really does not work.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
Well with me.
Speaker 4 (30:47):
Jay Stu, I certainly do not want to watch those things.
In fact, the other night there was there was this
thing that happened on the Y broadcast where they didn't
show the replay of it, and then, to make matters
a little bit more scary, the broadcaster at the time said,
we're not going to show the replay We've decided as
a production crew not to show the replay. So you're like,
(31:09):
oh my god, did his leg fall off? So considering
all the drama, again, this diagnosis is pretty good news.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (31:20):
The Dodgers have plenty to fill in. They even have
a trade deadline to add, maybe an extra glove if
they want it. Personally, I wouldn't mind them seeing maybe
given Will Smith some reps at third get them out
from beyond home plate. But yeah, good news for the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
Here, Yes, in escape for the Dodgers. Because it it
it looks worse and that's Jesus. Start with the news.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line news.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Steelers a kind of acting unstealer like, right, A traditionally conservative,
successful organization is tired of just being good? But have
they made the right moves to be great? Well that's
Mark Dominic. He joins his next in the Hurt.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter not a Empacific.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
What up?
Speaker 3 (32:13):
Dou gottlieb in for Collins heard Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app.
Mark Stinal joined us. Next hour, we'll talk about I mean,
does Lebron legit want to be traded? Like Brian Windhors
kind of opened the door. I think that was yesterday.
That's next hour on the show. But in the meantime,
let's focus our attention on the NFL. And it's a
(32:36):
kind of a unique year. I saw where you guys
see where emanuelat show predicted that this is going to
be the beginning of a Super Bowl as streak from
the Jets. Now here's my issue, and he did provide
some substance to his argument. My issue is I get
that this is like the Tom Brady fall off that
(33:01):
Max Kellerman and Rob Parker and others predicted, and it
never really came to fruition, never really came to fruition.
He wasn't great his last year in Tampa, but he
was good enough. His team wasn't very good, he was
outstanding for the most part. I mean had look even
(33:21):
in Green Bay when they beat the Packers. You know
that was that COVID year half full stadium. He was
bad in the second half, but spectacul in the first half.
But my point is that calling somebody's career beginning the
downward trend and decline is not an unreasonable thing, and
eventually somebody's going to be right if you make that
(33:41):
prediction every year, But I mean every year Patrick Mahomes
has been the starting quarterback of the Chiefs, they've at
minimum reached the AFC Championship Game. So it's not like
you've got to be flogged for saying it. But don't
(34:03):
tell me you're pregnant. Show me the baby. You know,
if you don't think they're going through a Super Bowl,
that's fine. They may not. You may end up right,
Jase do You and I are Charger fans hardcore, But
there's not one moment of any day in which either
of us if you said, hey, gun to your head,
you got to put your salary or even a monthly
(34:24):
salary on a team to win the AFC West, that
we would pick anybody other than the Kansasy Chiefs.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Is that fair, Jase dou Yeah, no, no doubt that's fair.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
All right, more football talk. Let's welcome in Mark Dominic,
good friend of my show, The Doug Gottlieb Show Course,
gentle manager the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. He spent his entire
professional life in the NFL, scouting in the front offices,
and now I appearing with us in the Herd on
Fox Sports Radio. Help me understand why we'll get to
the Steelers on the whole, and maybe that's what it's
(34:57):
related to. But why not extend? TJ.
Speaker 7 (35:00):
Watt, Well, I think you want to because I still
believe there's a lot of good football inside of him.
It might be more of a Steeler's mentality of like
how they negotiate. You know, Omar Khan, the general manager there,
came from obviously the salary cap side, and Pittsburgh has
been notoriously a little trickier to negotiate with.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
And I think that's part of it.
Speaker 7 (35:23):
And I think what Pittsburgh's gonna have to do if
they don't extend, in which I think they should. I
think it's very reasonable. I mean, the numbers astronomical even
at his age, but I think he's got at least
two years one plus two, so three more years in
him at I think a ten plus tag type of performance.
So it's just a matter of, you know, understanding the
(35:43):
dynamics of how you could structure it. The only other
thing Pittsburgh can do is really sweetened up this year's
deal with a lot of incentives to say, hey, look,
play this one out, go hit free and see find
out what you're worth. We won't franchise tag you. That's
the only other way I think you'll get to the
right spot.
Speaker 3 (35:58):
Okay, you look at what they've done. Aaron Rodgers like, yeah,
probably my last year. Last year, they go and trade
for Jalen Ramsey, they go and make some moves. It's
for the For the Steelers, this is kind of an
all in approach, right whereas they've been kind of a
picture of consistency and that's their usual approach. Do you
like what they put in place? If this is just
(36:20):
a one year run to try and you know, take
a shot at the Super Bowl? I like it.
Speaker 7 (36:28):
I don't love it. There's a couple of things that
really make me nervous about the Steelers. Number one, and
I hate to say it, but you know, Rogert Jones,
their first rounder back in twenty three, is going to
have to carry a lot of weight, meaning you know,
he has been up and down when he's been on
the field, and I'm worried that Aaron Rodgers is going
to feel a lot of pressure from the left side.
(36:49):
I think that's a big stretch there that they've got
to deal with. I think center guard and right tackle
they're in great shape. You know, John news Smith is
gonna bring him little more speed with Farremouth, so I
appreciate that. You know, they've got some veteran receivers there,
but they don't have a lot of depth at wide receiver.
So there's you know, it would be important for Roman
Wilson and you know, get on the field this year
and see what he can do. I think he does
(37:09):
come down to t J. Watt as much as I
think Aaron can lift his team. The problem is you've
got to have wa on the football field, and you
still have Cincinnati, and you still have the Ravens, and
so yeah, you could push, and I think that's what
they're thinking. It's like, how do we get over that hump?
Because if we can win at a vision, we got
a chance to go to the super Bowl. Right now,
I still see Pittsburgh as a ten to maybe eleven
(37:29):
win season type of teams, but I don't think they're
good enough overall to surpass where the Ravens are.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
Yeah, there was this there's a story out there where
Lamar Jackson he actually told Kevin Hart like, hey, I
gotta be more vocal. I gotta I got to get
better at that. I got to be more of a
vocal leader. From from my perspective, I don't think you
could make somebody who's not a vocal leader and do
(37:57):
a vocal leader. Am I You've been around this long time?
I wrong?
Speaker 7 (38:01):
No, you're not wrong. I think you either are or
you're not. You know, you lead by example and work
ethic or you you can vocally lead people because you
know the right thing to say at the right time.
There's one thing that that there's that need to be
more vocal, but it's it's I think the vocal leaders
that are really good know exactly what to say. I mean,
how many times have we watched Ray Lewis pregame speech
and you're like, that guy nailed it. He's just like
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that guy's are a really great pregame speecher speaker. And
so you see different guys have that, and that's why
you know things like why do scouts go to practice
when you can watch everything on tape well, because you
can see how a guy is a leader, Like why
do we like the East West Shrine, Why do we
like the Senior Bowl because we get to see guys
in leadership roles and see how they do this as
natural to them and so all that's part of the
(38:44):
evaluation process. But I agree, I think it's a lot
harder for somebody. I don't think you can. I shouldn'tay
it's a lot harder. I don't think you can become
the suddenly this vocal leader because I just don't think
it's natural. That's why you haven't been like that since
the beginning.
Speaker 3 (39:01):
What's your take on Jordan love And I asked that
because you and I we've talked weekly here for the
last couple of years. I was surprised when they extended
him despite kind of a limited sample size baby to
the extent that they paid him. The numbers were astronomical
in terms of touchdowns, but there was a string of turnovers,
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and he is inexperience and is relatively young and didn't
have a number one wide receiver. But they also didn't
play well in division games. They won one division game
and that's on a botch special teams play by the Bears.
A couple of years into being a starter. Where are
you and Jordan Love.
Speaker 2 (39:43):
Well?
Speaker 7 (39:44):
I would sit there and I know at the end
of the season, they had a couple of really, really
tough losses by a couple of points, like you just mentioned,
and I think that was certainly kind of what hurt
them through the whole season. But I think when I
look at Jordan Love, I have been impressed even more
than I think I was originally going to be the candid.
I saw a good player, but I didn't think he
(40:05):
would be this level. Yeah. I know last year may
not have been you know, his best in completions, in
yards and touchdowns, et cetera. But I still believe in
him in terms of how good he is with the
touchdown interception ratio, and that's a critical thing. And I
know it seems so simplistic, but look at the Trevor
Lawrence is the world. Look at the guys that really
struggle in this area, and Jordan Love has it. And
(40:25):
some of that might be systemed, but he's still got
to make good decisions. I think the Packers are much
better football team, you know, I think overall, I think
they're going to be right there with Detroit in terms
of battling for the division title. And I don't see
any reason why Jordan Love is going to take any
more of a quote unquote step back. I certainly, you know,
believe that a couple things are going to happen for
him this year. Number one, you talked about it, Matthew
(40:46):
Golden's on the roster, and that's going to be another
big weapon for him. That's going to be important. But
number two is Luke Musgrave will be back. And I
think that they missed having Tuckercraft and Musgrave informations out
on the field lest year that really hurt them, and
so I think that's going to be a big piece
for them and why they're going to be a better team.
And I think it's also going to be better on defense,
you know, because they're more familiar now with obviously Jeff
(41:06):
Hapley in the system and getting more and more concise
and set in that role. So I like this team,
you know. I think they're going to battle Detroit. I
don't think as a slamdunky Detroit wins this division. I
think the Green Bay Packers are right there.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
All right, we are on Collins Show. I got thirty seconds.
Are you a buyer into the new Caleb Williams the
year two new coach, more offensive weapons running to Kayleb Williams.
Speaker 7 (41:30):
I think we're gonna see a consistent I think we're
gonna see a lot of the same Caleb Williams we
saw last year. I think it's going to be good,
but I don't think it's going to go to the
next level.
Speaker 3 (41:39):
Right, all right, that's Mark Domin. Mark, have a great fourth.
We'll talk to you this week. Thanks for being our guests.
Speaker 7 (41:43):
Great talking to you. Have a great fourth.
Speaker 3 (41:45):
That's Mark Dominic, who's the long time in the Nashville
the League foreign jail manager of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is the Herd on Fox Ports.
Ready on the iHeartRadio app. Coming up next, How should
the Lakers interpret Lebron James's latest passive aggressive comments about
the franchise and his future. Let's have it out. We'll
(42:09):
do so next to the Doug Gottlieb Show. Excuse me
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