November 27, 2025 • 41 mins
Dan Beyer and Aaron Torres are in for Doug on this Thanksgiving edition of The Doug Gottlieb Show! They open hour 2 looking ahead to the latest installment in the historic Michigan vs. Ohio State rivalry game... Can the Wolverines pull off yet another upset against their arch rivals? FSR Technical Producer and Lions reporter Chris Perfett joins the show following the Lions vs. Packers Thanksgiving showdown. Plus, discussing Lane Kiffin's coaching future!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Let's give this.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio on this Friendsgiving on Thanksgiving.
We're all friends here. Welcome in. If you're in the
car cruising a round, thanks so much for joining us.
You're a part of our family here today on this
friends Giving. We aren't the only ones Aaron and I
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sitting here. Aaron, you are in the great city of
Las Vegas. Were you at the Players Era tournament over
this past week or what were your travel plans?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I was got in about.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
I actually got in Monday, went straight to the arena,
and I know this will maybe be a topically very
good basketball not a very good event from pretty much
anything other than what happened on the court.
Speaker 6 (01:07):
Okay, all right, well that's look good basketball.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
I'm trying, you know, it's friends Giving. I'm trying to
be glasses half full, but it's got some work to
do a big picture.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So well, Manzi just told you that the Lions and
Packers are in the fourth quarter with just over three
minutes to go. It's still a ten point green Bay lead.
DeVante Wyatt is injured for green Bay and it appears
to be a significant injury. So Detroit has yet to
have their fourth down play where they will likely have
to kick a field goal after Jared Goff was sacked
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on a third down by Micah Parsons, who's been here,
there and everywhere today, so the Lions are likely to
attempt to make it a seven point game. They have
all three of their timeouts remaining, but three point fifteen
to go, and just a tough injury spot for the Packers,
but they have the ten point lead right now in
Detroit likely to attempt a field goal here to try
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to make it a seven point game. I don't think
it's the biggest game in the state of Michigan this weekend.
Aaron Torres sure, and it comes up on Saturday as
Ohio State, the number one ranked team in the country,
takes on fifteenth ranked Michigan. Buckeyes come in as a
nine and a half point favorite. But the numbers of
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rankings and point spreads, none of it matters with these
two teams as Michigan looks for their fifth straight win
and Ohio State looks to just end the misery that
has been the last four years of the matchup of
these two rivals in the game. But for as great
as Lions Packers is right now, there is no doubt
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it is playing second fiddle for.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
The biggest game in Michigan this weekend.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
You know, obviously being around Vegas one, you know Michigan
literally their basketball team was here all week, so you
see a lot of Michigan fans in and around town.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
But I saw some Ohio State gear.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Actually went to the Golden Knights game last night, saw
some Ohio State year. But I bring it up because
you know, you just kind of chat with people in
the hotel lobby whatever.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
It's interesting.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Ohio State fans definitively think that this is the year
they get their revenge.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
And I don't think it's a false bravado.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
I think they truly believe that, and Michigan fans are
kind of like, yeah, we own them.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Well, we're going for five for five.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
So it is interesting to me that it does feel
like both fan bases are weirdly confident coming into this one,
even though I know that Ohio State is a double
digit favorite.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
And I may be the exception to the rule of
no segarette. I've been an Ohio State fan since I
was about seven years old. So this game, Aaron, it
honestly is sometimes difficult to even talk about because of
the strain that it puts on just myself and my
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whole being. This is for as great as the playoff
run was last year for Ohio State, I truly believe that,
and Nick Saban may disagree and others may disagree, But
now that you've won the national championship, this Saturday is
all that matters. And the overconfidence, to me is shocking
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because last year, if that tells you anything about this rivalry,
last year was the year that Ohio State should have
won that football game. That was the no brainer. In
all the years of the no brainers of this rivalry,
and I've seen everyone basically Aaron from about the mid
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nineteen eighties until now.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
There are a few upstarts.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
When Jim Tressel went in to ann Arbor in two
thousand and one and ended up winning that game in
his first game, and from what he said when he
got the job, it was still a bit of a surprise.
It was a surprising outcome. And last year was even
more so with how dominant what Ohio State was in
Michigan and their injuries and really how the game played out.
And that's why I find it so surprising that Ohio
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State would be overconfidence in this scenario. I don't know
if they believe that Ryan Day has changed. I'm not
sure if they now that the playoff run has happened,
that it's a different Ryan Day and that's going to
change everything, because I just think it's much bigger than that.
I think it's the rivalry. I think it's the moment.
I think it's each play. I think it's the prep
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every single day that you have with your team throughout
the entire year that you're planning for this game. So
it's crazy to me to think that Ohio State would
feel any sort of overconfidence heading into Saturday.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Yeah, you know, and obviously one very small sample size
I'm just speaking about.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
You know, I don't know in.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Your circles if that reflects outside of your personal opinion
how everybody else feels.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
But you know what I would say is a couple
of things.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Is one I agree obviously, like if Michigan can win
the game last year, they could absolutely do it at home.
I think what's kind of interesting is, and j Martin
and I talk about it, Jason Martin and I who
I know filled in for two pros this morning, we
talk about it on our show, is that Michigan has
to be the Wiettest nine and two team in the
history of college football. Like just and listen, it's not pretty.
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You know, offense is you know what Michigan's offense is.
The defense isn't as good as it's been a couple
scheduling breaks with obviously no Oregon, no Michigan this year.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
But the counter to that is they are nine.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
And two coming into this game, and you know, you
go back to last year and they were what six
and five coming into the game. So and it's at home,
So there's a lot of variables in Michigan's favor I
want to ask you just a big picture question, Dan
is Ryan Day, So listen, it's he's basically and earned
that national championship last year. You know, incredible run deserves
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every piece of positive praise that he's got. And and I
say that as someone who was critical, you know, especially
coming out of last year's game, when everything was lined
up twenty million dollars roster, you couldn't get the job done. Whatever,
But I just want to ask you, does feel kind
of like a total free roll for him? Since the
day that confetti fell against Notre Dame last January? What
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do you think the reaction would be on Ryan Dan.
Let me set it up for people who might not know.
Is that, you know, one, a fifth straight loss to Michigan. Two,
we don't know all of the tie breakers. Probably a
pretty good chance you are not going to the Big
Ten championship game. Potentially a year where you have been
number one in every college football playoff pole, you might
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not even get that first round by depending on how
things go. So listen, I'm not talking about hot seat.
I'm not talking about this. I'm not talking about that.
He's he's the rightful coach. He's been awesome this year,
He's been awesome throughout his career, with the Michigan bugaboo exception.
I'm just curious, like, what would the message boards be
like on Saturday, if there, in fact is a fifth
straight loss again with a team that is very comfortably
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favored this time going into ann Arbor.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, so I think that there's a lot there. And
I'll quick tell you Detroit made the field goal, so
it's thirty one to twenty five or Green Bay they'll
just converted the third and five, so Detroit has got
one time out, two forty three left to go, Packers
up seven. I think that if Ohio State were to
lose this game the placing that you see in the bracket,
the same fans that are over confident heading into this
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game and thinking that this is all Ohio State will
also think like, well, we'll just do what we did
last year.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
We'll just run the table.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
We'll just win the four games, and then Ohio State
will win a national championship. And that is not the case.
I actually think the thing that was Ohio State was
criticized for last year was trying to run the football
and be physical with Michigan, no doubt. But the crazy
thing is Aaron with that was that was actually a
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complaint the previous three years Prior now, Ohio State actually
had a chance to beat Michigan in Ann Arbor two
years ago, they had a drive near the end of
the game ended up stalling on in Michigan territory. They
were down five, but Ohio State was really moving the
football at that point, whether they get it into the
end zone or not. But Kyle McCord ended up getting
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hit and ball ended up getting picked off and that
was the end of the game. But Ohio State I
don't think matched Michigan's physicality those previous three games in
those losses. So I understand that if you're Ryan Day
and you're Chip Kelly at that point, you're like, hey,
not only do we have the horses, like we can
beat them at their own game. And they missed a
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couple of field goals. Honestly, Will Howard got dinged up
in that game. I don't know if he was right
after he got dinged up in the second quarter, he
seemed to be flustered. They couldn't do anything with the
passing game, and Michigan has a lot to do with
that in how Ohio State can or can't move the
ball through the air. Weather is also a factor. I
hear fans down playing weather. It's gonna be cold, it's
gonna be thirty degrees, there may be snow flurries, there
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may be winter elements, and I think that you would
rather run the ball in those situations than pass the ball.
So I think that's caught up with them. But I
do think that there is an overconfidence in terms of
thinking that Ohio State just has the better players. So
if they don't win this game, I think that there
is a fraction of the fans that'll just say, we
just care about the playoffs. And as someone who's had
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this rivalry ruin their days and weeks and years for
forty years because the outcome didn't fall in there. The
two thousands, by the way, were pretty awesome, Like it
was ruined then like during that time. Same thing with
about the twenty teams, but prior to that, like it's stunk.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
It consumes you. Monty and I have done shows together.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I've told her it all matters is November twenty ninth,
twenty twenty five, Like this is the game, and I'm
surprised that others aren't aren't thinking like that. It's also
a unique rivalry and the reason I want to play
this clip a couple of reasons because Dan Patrick show
here on Fox Sports Radio, Two Pros and a Cup
of Joe. Here on Fox Sports Radio. Brady Quinn one
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of the Pros and two Pros. He was on with
Dan Patrick earlier this week and they had a conversation.
Aaron and Dan kind of set it up in trying
to ask Brady about up the Michigan Ohio state rivalry,
comparing to a rivalry that is near and dear to
Brady Quinn's heart. Here was their exchange earlier this week
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
How would you compare Notre Dame USC to Michigan and
Ohio state rivalry.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
Well, I grew up in Columbus, Ohio, So I've got
a pretty good idea of the differences between the two
only because of the nature of both schools, how close
they are in proximity, the types of players that they
traditionally recruit in both states, you know, the top players,
and so it's just an entirely different feel between the
two because they're both two Midwest schools, and so it's
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not a battle of culture where you get that a
little bit with you know, Catholicism and Notre Dame in
the Midwest versus like this so cal laid bag, like
let's go out and surf, and I don't want to
believe in anything, or I believe in everything. So it's
a very stark contrast between the two fan bases for
SC Notre Dame versus what you get in Michigan and
Ohio State. I mean, these are, you know, two programs
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and two schools, wolves who know you know each other
so well. There's so much history behind it, just in
regards to even the coaching staffs and all of that.
So I would say with Notre DAMESC, there's tradition, there's history,
there's both schools.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Kind of honoring, at least used to.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
I don't know if that tradition will continue, but honoring
kind of the differences between the two. With Ohio State Michigan,
I don't feel like either or honoring anything. I feel
like it's a he it's you against us, and that's
all that matters this one day every year, and depending
on the outcome, we're never going to forget it. For
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the dinder in sixty four days, regardless of how well
our team does in the playoff, for even winning a
national championship.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
That is a perfect summation.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I think of this rivalry from Brady Quinn and he
knows it and it's true, and I feel he backs
up what I said of like what this game is.
And it's also there's the geographic angle of it of
you have to schools bordering states close to each other.
There's that there. I don't want to say basically the same,
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but that's kind of the point that Brady is putting up,
as you have this two different entities kinds of with
Notre Dame and USC, and you almost have two identical
entities in Michigan and Ohio State. Now I don't know
if either school would want to admit that, but it is,
you know, similar to that, and there is there is
no nostalgia. No one everybody knows it, but no one
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wants to admit that you can't be one without the other.
Like there's just even in the down years, like when
Ohio State was winning and you know, Rich Rodriguez was there,
like and this is in the late aughts. I went
to I've been to two Ohio State Michigan games one
and O six, which was one versus two, a game
of the century. And then two years later when there
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wasn't that hype and Ohio State won forty two to seven,
and it was a completely different feel when you don't
have competitive teams. And that's what I feel is so
different about this And it's not to disregard Michigan's success
during the early part of this short winning streak eerin,
but what is so unique with this rivalry and I'm
using in air quotes and I think you'll understand what
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I mean is the better team isn't winning. And what
I mean by that is Ohio State can sit there
and say, we've won the national championship, look at what
we've done recruiting, look at what we've done with our victories,
look at who we've beat.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
But you can't beat Michigan.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
And it's not to say that Michigan has been less
than than the last couple of years, but that's not it.
But that is also what has turned this rivalry, I think,
over the last couple of years to be so so
annoying and so frustrating for Ohio State fans because they
feel they have the quote and I'm using the air quotes,
better team, but the better team is never winning this game,
and that is just so frustrating.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Yeah, it was funny, you know, I referenced we're at
the Golden Knights game last night, and there were some
people from Michigan behind us, and you know, kind of
over here, I'm talking about the game whatever we were
talking about. How you know Michigan is the only one
that really has a trump card over Ohio State right now?
Right is that you know who know, you know who
knows that Ohio State had the better roster at least
last year than Michigan did.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Michigan fans, Yes, you don't think that.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
You know, for the last three hundred and sixty four days, Hey,
congrats on that, Natty, but guess what, you still didn't
beat us.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
And oh, by the way, we know that we did
not have the superior roster.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
So I think that's a very interesting dynamic in all
that is that you know, one Michigan right now, for
as long as they have this winning streak, you know
they're gonna be kind of on this moral high ground,
not moral, but you know this high ground of hey,
we had to beat you guys to win that national championship.
We didn't just get to backdoor our way into a
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twelve team playoff. And then, oh, by the way, you
still can't beat us, and you got to break getting
into that twelve team playoff, and if there was no
twelve team playoff, you're not national champs. So it'll be
interesting at some point, and I think it, you know,
very easily could be as early as Saturday, that rivalries
go flip. And when it does, you know, Michigan won't
have the like to stand on. Yes, they'll have the
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four straight wins, but Ohio State will have the most
recent national championship in that that time, the most recent win.
But I just bring it up because for right now,
Michigan fans should be pouting out their chest heading into sect.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
It's also why the cheating scandal was such a hot topic,
because Ohio State is saying we have the better team
and the only reason that you win. That's not entirely true,
but is that you did this and Michigan did this
and went to these lengths because of what had happened
the previous two decades, Right Like, there's something in place
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for Michigan to try to get over this hump. That's
the argument, and that's at the crux of it all.
So the whole counter stallion saga is all based on
this rivalry.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
And there may be.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Other schools that they scouted to try to win that
national championship. But it all is based on what happens
with Ohio State and Michigan and that outcome of that
game at the end of November. That's what it all
comes down to. And it's funny because now, Aaron, you'll
hear a lot of this countdown of days since Michigan
or Ohio State beat Michigan. I've seen it over the
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last couple of years. The Columbus Dispatch, I believe, had
a countdown like that basically through the two thousands up
until you know, twenty nineteen, where you would have various
days and it would be a crazy amount of days
that would say it's been X amount of days since
Michigan beat Ohio State. Now that has turned and it's
used against Ohio State fans and they're living about hearing that,
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you know, hearing that number, and Michigan fans are happily
claiming it and pointing to it and saying, yeah, it's
been this long and it could be another three hundred
and sixty five. But both teams use the same sort
of ammunition to try to get under the skin of
their rival.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Fascinating times and so real quick, just what is Dan
Byer's overall take on the game. Because Ohio State does
have the better team, this game is in Michigan, I
would argue the gap between the two teams is.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Smaller this year.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
So it's one thing to say that you don't have
the confidence or you know, arrogance of we're going to
go and win, But.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
How do you you know, definitively, but how do you
actually feel.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
About it all? Honestly?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
It's running game is is has not been as great
as they would have hoped throughout this year. Bo Jackson's
the guy that's kind of taken the lead on that,
and I think you're gonna have to lean on that
running game. They've tried a bunch of different plays. I
think the health of Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate is
obviously a big, big part of it. But the biggest
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name I think in all of this is Andrew Marsh.
I think for Michigan the freshman wide receiver. We may
talk about Bryce Underwood, we may talk about Julian sand
and those guys are going to have to make plays
in their first game the you know of the game,
but Andrew Marsh being the threat on the outside. In
Ohio State's corners, they highly touted, but there's Davis sinig
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Minosen can commit a penalty or four. So if you
have Andrew marsh in a situation where how frustrating would
that be for Ohio State to have these two primo
first round prospects, Jeremiah Smith, who I think is the
best player in college football, maybe being overshadowed by a
Michigan wide receiver. Like that's the sort of stuff that
happens in this rivalry. I actually think Michigan's probably gonna
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win on Saturday. Wow, yeah, I do, but we'll see.
It's I think that it's funny because when I've watched Michigan,
I've heard people say Michigan just yeah, it just hasn't
looked hasn't looked the same. And I look at him
and I say, wow, Okay, that could be difficult. This
could be difficult. If they get after Julian San as well,
which I think Michigan can do, it could be tough
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for the Buck guys on Saturday.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Last quick thought for me is that I do hate
the whole like SEC well, like if we would have
nine teams undefeated, if they played Ohio State schedule. But
like I do think there is something too that with
these bloated conferences. The reality is, listen, you caught Texas
in week one, Arch to his credit, is better.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I don't know how good Texas is.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
But after that, you know, you didn't play Oregon, you
didn't play USC you didn't play Indiana. And so I
think two things can be true. I think Ohio State
is the deserving number one team in the country. They've
done what they needed to do against the schedule that
was placed in front of them. But the counter to
that is I do still think they are relatively untested
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this late in the season.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
He's erin Torres. I'm Dan Byer. This is a friend's
giving on Fox Sports Radio. I just want to jump
to the news desk. Manzi Milanios. Green Bay had a
fourth and three trying to run out the clock, and
I don't think we have Manzi of it. Maybe we
don't have Manzi right now, but green Bay holds on
thirty one twenty four. Packers ended up getting a fourth.
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It was a fourth and three on the conversion. Manzi.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
Yes, sorry, sorry, I was sure if you were talking
to me, Yes, it was a fourth and three. And
he threw to Dontavian Wicks and he lost his shoe
but caught the ball and that's what ended the game.
Speaker 9 (21:07):
They were three of three from fourth down.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Sounds like my wife again, Happy birthday to my wife.
I wouldn't shay if you were talking to me. I
heard some voice chattering. But Packers get a big win
against the Lions. We may get a guest from that
game or two, our own Chris prefet is in Detroit.
He took his mom to the game today, so Chris
may chime in. Also may get a chance to talk
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to a green Bay Packer as Packers get that big
victory for the Lions seven and five. Green Bay now
eight three and one with the victory today. He is
Aaron Torres. I'm Dan Byer. Now the scene shifts to
what's happening in Dallas with the Chiefs and Cowboys, and
the scene will also shift to Oxford, Mississippi. What a
weekend it is for the Ole miss Rebels. The Egg
(21:51):
Bowl on Friday and then the decision on Saturday. We'll
talk about it next year on Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 6 (22:48):
One down, two to go on this Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
When it comes to NFL games, the Packers top the
Lions thirty one to twenty four. Mantzi Blahos will have
details coming up in a matter of minutes. But Aaron,
oh my goodness, straight from Detroit on our doorstep as
he just took in this Lions Packers game and he
took his mom to the game. Welcome to Friends Giving,
(23:13):
Our teammate and friend at Fox Sports Radio, Chris Perfets,
who is in Motown to watch the Lions and Packers today.
I don't know what was better, Chris, the game or
the halftime show.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Give us the reviews.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I think the halftime show kind of sold. Everyone starts.
I don't think Eminem was on the docket, and I
kind of got the sense of it because they had
that what's that one drives go. I'm like, all right,
this is an Eminem thing. What's Jack White doing with it?
And then pop there he is. The goo's a seven
nation army. But everyone I think it's funny. And my
mom's friend actually texted her and said, you're seeing Eminem
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right now. I'm so jealous. So I think that's the
one who sold the show there, especially with how the
Lions offen supported themselves at the end of the game.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Chris, let me ask you this yes play. I think
it was probably the third to last series of the game.
Dan Campbell goes for it rather than kicking the field
goal to make it a one score game. The subsequent drive,
Jared Koff gets hit pretty hard by Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Then Dan Campbell decides to go for it. Are you bothered?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
We know that what the ethos of the organization is,
but should he have kicked that field goal with about
eight nine minutes to go in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Well, I am one who understands the analytics of it,
and I think I appreciate it. I will say I
think the Ford field fates weal is getting a little
tired of it, just because the efficiency isn't there. The
play calling is more of the issue than going for
it at this point. That wasn't the one fourth down,
but there was one earlier in the game where they
kept handing the ball off. They brand the thing play
four times. Basically, I didn't have a problem with the
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fourth down call there. Well, I did have a problem
with was that drive was very language. Both those offensive
drives took a lot of time off the clock and
you're down that many points, and I think if I
have to pinpoint the problem between this Lion's off sense
of last year, it's just the lack of urgency sometimes
and that kind of situation we see the Lions maybe
start to go up Temple and just it wasn't there.
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I think they burned. That was like a six to
seven minute drive or something. And they were still down
ten points to that point. I didn't really hate it
too much, but you gave yourself no time to have
a third drive at the end of the game, and
I think that's where people were really frustrated.
Speaker 11 (25:23):
There, just the lack of urgency.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
For those that don't know, Chris Profet is our teammate
here at Fox Sports Radio. He's also covered the Lions
for years and took his mom to her first ever
Lions game today on Thanksgiving Day at Ford Field in Detroit.
He's joining eron Torres and myself. How did mom like
the Thanksgiving experience? And it's kind of a two part question,
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because how does this differ from every other Lions game
that you would normally go to, or any fan would
go to. How is Thanksgiving Giving Day's Thanksgiving Day game different?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Well, Hey, we started by having dinner when on Wednesday
for our Thanksgiving because there's nobody home to cook the turkey.
B I surprised her with a custom Lions jersey. She
didn't have one. She had a bunch of blue to
wear the game, and I just popped in with the
number one mom jersey. Really get her there a great moment.
It was a great moment. Yeah, it's very impressive. Detroit
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really gets down for This is a really old Thanksgiving game.
I think it's got to be at least over one
hundred years old at this point. You know, not long
after they came up from Portsmith and became the Lions
playing the Bears on Thanksgiving. They were owned by a
radio mobile at the time who came up with this
idea of playing on Thanksgiving to really give them a
lot more publicity. And it worked and it really shows
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like it's it is.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
It is still.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Unbelievable around here in Detroit right now. There are tons
of people pouring out. We missed our parking garage once
and we almost didn't get there in time for kickoff
because there's just so many people around here. It's I
would say this this is actually my second Thanksgiving game.
I went ten years ago when they were playing the
Philadelphia Eagles. They won that game, but I also would
say it was easier to get in, and also I
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saw like three different fights with Eagles fans in those stands.
This thankfully no fights for my mom. There was a
guy behind us who was just kind of like giving
it to Dan Campbell the entire time. Which he didn't enjoy.
But this is her first ever NFL experience too. You
guys know this. You're college football fans. She's grown up
a lot of college football in her life. It's very different.
It's a lot more agro, I would say, though, like
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you know, you've at least got good vibes for what
the Lions are. Their season is starting to take a
nosedive here, so I'll see how it goes. But like it.
It's a fantastic thing. You saw the they bring out
the halftime show. It's a fantastic halftime show. They got
the Fox NFL crew there. I'm sure some lucky packer
ate the ate the turkey and everything. The gobbler or
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do they do the tur ducan? Is it a cilitar
Duckcan you know?
Speaker 6 (27:50):
They were eating something?
Speaker 3 (27:51):
And I saw somebody with a wing, Yes, but I
didn't have the sound out in the studio, so I
couldn't quite see if.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
It was the wing not the leg.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
It's usually a.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Yes, but I saw someone with a wing leg.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
You hold a leg, you look like, you know, an
a norseman out of Viking in a big chunk of meat.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Mad had six of them on there, right there is
eight that they would throw on there.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, because they stuffed like what five different bird is
a turkey, a duck and a chicken tur duck in right? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Absolutely, they were mowing down his Packers defense. Who got
after it got after the Lions today, Jordan Love. They
should probably save two or three legs for his performance
as well. Chris, we loved having you stop by on
this Thanksgiving, on this friends Giving. Enjoy the rest of
your time with Mom and your rest of your time
in Motown and in the Midwest, and safe travels back
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here to the West Coast.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Happy Thanksgiving guys, and see you soon.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Happy Thanksgiving. Chris Purfet, our teammate at Fox Sports Radio.
You'll hear him during End Zone Radio on Sundays. You
also hear him Saturdays here on FSR and various points.
Had to have Chris call in since it was such
a special day for he and his family taking in
that Lions Packers game.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
That was awesome, man, And I'm glad you you know, listen,
I was kind of locked in on the final result
and this and that, and I'm glad you just asked about,
you know, the mom experience, but then also not just
the mom experience, but also the city experience, because I think,
you know, we all think of Thanksgiving as this time
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where you're with family and you're this and you're that.
But I would venture to guess, with however, many decades
of this being on the calendar, there's probably a lot
of civic pride in hosting that game. And so I'm
glad you got that question in because I thought it
was interesting to hear Chris's response on that.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I love and I've heard stories of fans who always
have tickets to the game and they have their Thanksgiving
meal at night. Now, I remember walking into many of
my Thanksgivings and having the Lions game beyond the TV.
Had an early Thanksgiving on one side of the family,
a late Thanksgiving on the other. But the Lions game
also always signified to me being in Aunt Betty's house
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for Thanksgiving. So at what would be, you know, eleven
thirty noon Central time, you'd have the Lions game on
on the old TV and family around. So that's why
I've never ever wanted the Lions removed. And now they've
been good, you're not having that stupid conversation of should
we take Detroit off, and your point. It's so much
a part of the city and the history that Detroit
should never lose Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Well, real quick, I remember you mentioned off the top,
you know, an hour one of this Doug Gottlieb show,
that you and I have been doing this for quite
a while now.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
And I remember, I mean pre Dan Campbell.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
We must have been doing it because at least one
year we had the conversation of should this this come off?
And I know that should this be removed from Thanksgiving Day?
And I know you've had this take since before the
Lions were actually good, So it shows how long.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
We've been doing this for.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
But also the fact that you know this is a
stance that you have had for quite some time now.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Well, Monty Belanos is here and we don't want you
to do every Thanksgiving Day game, Monzi, but we are
appreciative that you're here with us for this friends giving,
hanging out, giving us the latest of what's happening today.
Speaker 8 (30:59):
You know, I don't know, Oh it's a Latino thing,
but I never have done Thanksgiving early, like it has
always been an evening thing, not a but I've heard
of like, yes, you started the day and then you
have leftovers for the second.
Speaker 9 (31:12):
Round later in the evening.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
I've never I've never celebrated Thanksgiving like that, but that
seems up my alley because I love leftovers and I
would just keep drinking the entire time, So it sounds
like right up my alley.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
So I and I thought about this. I brought up
so right now.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
In Wisconsin, back where I'm from, Aaron, it's hunting season
where you can hunt deer with a gun, and it's
a it's a it's a tradition throughout the years. It's
foreign to a lot of people, including Manzi. But what
people would do also is they would hunt during the day.
To Manti's point of having a dinner at night. They'd
be out in the fields during the day for Thanksgiving
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and then they'd come in as it gets dark at
around three or four o'clock and then you would have
Thanksgiving meal. But for us, we would have it earlier.
It allowed us to go to the other side of
the family later on in the day.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
You could go to two places. So that's why we
had it early.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
I literally just hunt my next drink, you know what
I'm saying, And that's what I'm doing. But uh yeah, guys,
you just talked to Chris Purfett, who was at the game.
Speaker 9 (32:12):
How exciting for him. He had told me he was
going to get.
Speaker 8 (32:14):
His mom that jersey, So I'm glad he was able
to actually do it. Packers defeated the Lions thirty one
to twenty four.
Speaker 9 (32:20):
That first touchdown, guys, I don't know what a I
don't know what is declared a touchdown anymore. I really don't,
you know.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
I thought I was crazy on that. No, I don't
know anyone the second.
Speaker 8 (32:28):
Foot down, they're saying that that that he caught it
like the first foot came down, but it's like the
ball is barely touching his hand at that point.
Speaker 9 (32:36):
How can you declare he has control?
Speaker 8 (32:37):
But that's what they're saying that that first step was
in and it made no sense to me.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
And who was the other one? Was it Aj Brown
last week that made the catch? The foot never got planted,
but he hit the pileon And I was like, how
is that not a touchdown?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
I know you have to have yes too, yes, but
it hit the pile on.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Yeah, So like if a guy, I don't know, that
one was weird, yeah, because it was like he had
he clearly had control and across the goal line.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Blandino right away was like, no, it's a touchdown. I'm like,
all right, dude, if you say so.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
But this this may sound like really stupid and simplistic.
I just think you need better refs, like like we
talk about like all these different cameras and like we
need it. Oh like look, they didn't even to this point,
they didn't even overturn it.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
No, just get better refs.
Speaker 9 (33:21):
Even I think Tom Brady's like, that's not a.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Catch, make it, make a Commiitiating has been so bad,
so bad, and it's so inconsistent. And I know there's
such a topic of like being a full time job,
like maybe it's about that time to do so, and
so you're not saying like here's so and so he's
a middle school teacher during the week. But they might be better, yes,
Like oh, just like allow them to focus on the job.
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Like there's just a like if replay isn't gonna save them,
then they got to do better.
Speaker 9 (33:49):
Yeah, no, absolutely, and uh yes.
Speaker 8 (33:51):
Patrick Mahomes about to start in his first Thanksgiving game
and Dallas is the Chiefs taking on the Cowboys.
Speaker 9 (33:57):
Quickly. Here, cold quarterback.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
Daniel Jones did so for a fracture in his fibula,
but apparently he's going to play through it For Week
thirteen against the Texans. The Bears have activated cornerbacks Kyler
Gordon and Jalen Johnson from injured reserve.
Speaker 9 (34:10):
They face Philadelphia tomorrow, which, by.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
The way, Eagles wide receiver Davante Smith off the injury report,
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Mahomes touchdown pass to Rashid Rice, Rice doing much of
the work, or at least the blockers that were out
in front of him. So it's seven to nothing just
two minutes in in favor of the Chiefs over the Cowboys.
A tough way to go for Dallas, who had all
that momentum following the win against the Eagles. This kind
of started out like their game against the Eagles last
week when they spotted them twenty one points.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Yeah, I mean, it's just I'm gonna be worried because
they did the exact same thing last week. But yeah,
Deck took a pretty hard hit, threw it up and
got picked. So we'll see, we'll see. You know, we
talked a little bit about this game Chiefs. I don't
think either of us are sold that there's a magic
turnaround coming around, even after the win against the Colts.
I think we both like Dallas, or at least at
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the minimum. They're a good watch. I enjoy watching them,
But you know, Chiefs win this one. It's two wins
in five games, and maybe they do have some momentum
to two wins in five days. I think I just
said five games, but two wins in five days and
some real momentum and going into the final stretch of
the year.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Are you one of those people who like believes like
if Kansas City gets in the tournament when we try
to sound cool about the playoffs, that like it's gonna
be the same old Kansas City or you still have questions.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
No, I have questions.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
You know.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
It's it's funny.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
I'm a big believer in like, I think that's the
most overrated Like, well, you just you can't let him in.
It's like I remember the Super Bowl last year. Everyone's like,
I mean, you just can't bet against Kansas City. And
I actually, and there's tape of me saying this. I said,
I think Philly wins, and I think Philly wins by
double figures. And I said, Philly is literally better at
every position group except for quarterback.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I said, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
There's no mystique when you're that much better at every
other spot on the field.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
And so you know, I think it's matchup based. I don't.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
I don't think there's like any teams that I feel
like they have zero percent chance against off the top
of my head in the AFC. But I don't think
that it's if they just get into the field. I
mean no, no, I think this is the weakest version
of them that we've maybe seen since Mahome took over
at quarterback.
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out on this friends giving Mancy Bilanos is here. Ian
Roddie's our executive producer, Ryan Smith, our technical producer. We
may be checking in from Motown as the Packers got
that huge win over the Lions. Lions right now on
the outside looking in Green Bay in a nice little spot,
that tie that they had against the Cowboys this year.
I know they would have rather have had the victory,
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but a loss would have put them further back. So
that eight three to one record right now has Green
Bay in a nice little spot. They just have to
overtake those Bears right now in the NFC North.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
Yeah, when we talked about this earlier in the show
is listen. Two things can be true. The Bears are
a very nice story and the Packers are a tie
against the Dallas Cowboys away from being tied with them
for first place in that division, and both those those
two teams have yet to play each other, which means, obviously,
do some simple math, it means they'll play twice down
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the stretch. So love the Bears story. I'm not trying
to minimize it. But a lot of wins against bad
opponents and now Green Bay coming on strong and like
I said, tied in the lost column. And again they'd
be tied out right if it wasn't for the tie
in Dallas early on in the season.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
All Right, you hit Aaron up at Aaron underscore Torres,
you can find me at Dan Byer on Fox. Joining
us now at the friends giving door. Green Bay Packers
wide receiver Christian Watson joins us. Christian, how does this
How do this offense get clicking on all cylinders like
it did today? How did you guys get it going
offensively against Detroit?
Speaker 12 (39:35):
I thought we've had the right mentality. I mean, I
feel like we had that aggressive mindset going into this game.
We knew it was going to be a dog fight,
and we knew that we were gonna have to, you know,
be aggressive to get it done. So I think we
came in with the right mentality and you know we
were able to execute, you know, enough to go out
there and you know, to show it.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Christian.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
It's a long season, but you guys are on a
three game winning streak. There's a team frankly sort of
ahead of you in the divisional standings but not really,
but you get to play them twice going forward. Just
big picture, long season, but feels like you guys are
trending in the right direction and playing your best football.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Do you guys feel the same way?
Speaker 11 (40:11):
Oh yeah, no, one undred percent. I mean we know
these next couple of weeks, you know, super important for
you know, our goals and our aspiration of the season.
So I mean we've got to keep on chucking, find
a way to go, want to know, every weekend, you know,
just keep building, getting a little bit better every week.
I feel like we're going to be in a good spot.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
I know we're a little tight on time, but just
quickly to down Tavian Wicks get both feed in on
that first touchdown. Oh yeah, that's a Thanksgiving miracle, Christian.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
I have to say that's a Thanksgiving miracle.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
I'll tell you what you guys put it together today
and had a heck of an effort and can't wait
to see more of what the Green Bay Packers have
coming down the home stretch here.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
Congrats on the win today.
Speaker 12 (40:46):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 11 (40:46):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Christian Watson, green Bay Packers wide Receiver. Unfortunately we're a
little tight on time there. Couldn't get more with Christian,
but I'm glad he stopped by. Andy brought some bars.
That was great. He's Aaron Torres, I'm Dan Bayer. The
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
Let's give this.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio on this Friendsgiving on Thanksgiving.
We're all friends here. Welcome in. If you're in the
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You're a part of our family here today on this
friends Giving. We aren't the only ones Aaron and I
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sitting here. Aaron, you are in the great city of
Las Vegas. Were you at the Players Era tournament over
this past week or what were your travel plans?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I was got in about.
Speaker 5 (00:54):
I actually got in Monday, went straight to the arena,
and I know this will maybe be a topically very
good basketball not a very good event from pretty much
anything other than what happened on the court.
Speaker 6 (01:07):
Okay, all right, well that's look good basketball.
Speaker 5 (01:09):
I'm trying, you know, it's friends Giving. I'm trying to
be glasses half full, but it's got some work to
do a big picture.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
So well, Manzi just told you that the Lions and
Packers are in the fourth quarter with just over three
minutes to go. It's still a ten point green Bay lead.
DeVante Wyatt is injured for green Bay and it appears
to be a significant injury. So Detroit has yet to
have their fourth down play where they will likely have
to kick a field goal after Jared Goff was sacked
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on a third down by Micah Parsons, who's been here,
there and everywhere today, so the Lions are likely to
attempt to make it a seven point game. They have
all three of their timeouts remaining, but three point fifteen
to go, and just a tough injury spot for the Packers,
but they have the ten point lead right now in
Detroit likely to attempt a field goal here to try
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to make it a seven point game. I don't think
it's the biggest game in the state of Michigan this weekend.
Aaron Torres sure, and it comes up on Saturday as
Ohio State, the number one ranked team in the country,
takes on fifteenth ranked Michigan. Buckeyes come in as a
nine and a half point favorite. But the numbers of
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rankings and point spreads, none of it matters with these
two teams as Michigan looks for their fifth straight win
and Ohio State looks to just end the misery that
has been the last four years of the matchup of
these two rivals in the game. But for as great
as Lions Packers is right now, there is no doubt
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it is playing second fiddle for.
Speaker 6 (02:44):
The biggest game in Michigan this weekend.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 5 (02:47):
You know, obviously being around Vegas one, you know Michigan
literally their basketball team was here all week, so you
see a lot of Michigan fans in and around town.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
But I saw some Ohio State gear.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
Actually went to the Golden Knights game last night, saw
some Ohio State year. But I bring it up because
you know, you just kind of chat with people in
the hotel lobby whatever.
Speaker 4 (03:06):
It's interesting.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
Ohio State fans definitively think that this is the year
they get their revenge.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
And I don't think it's a false bravado.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
I think they truly believe that, and Michigan fans are
kind of like, yeah, we own them.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Well, we're going for five for five.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
So it is interesting to me that it does feel
like both fan bases are weirdly confident coming into this one,
even though I know that Ohio State is a double
digit favorite.
Speaker 3 (03:29):
And I may be the exception to the rule of
no segarette. I've been an Ohio State fan since I
was about seven years old. So this game, Aaron, it
honestly is sometimes difficult to even talk about because of
the strain that it puts on just myself and my
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whole being. This is for as great as the playoff
run was last year for Ohio State, I truly believe that,
and Nick Saban may disagree and others may disagree, But
now that you've won the national championship, this Saturday is
all that matters. And the overconfidence, to me is shocking
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because last year, if that tells you anything about this rivalry,
last year was the year that Ohio State should have
won that football game. That was the no brainer. In
all the years of the no brainers of this rivalry,
and I've seen everyone basically Aaron from about the mid
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nineteen eighties until now.
Speaker 6 (04:35):
There are a few upstarts.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
When Jim Tressel went in to ann Arbor in two
thousand and one and ended up winning that game in
his first game, and from what he said when he
got the job, it was still a bit of a surprise.
It was a surprising outcome. And last year was even
more so with how dominant what Ohio State was in
Michigan and their injuries and really how the game played out.
And that's why I find it so surprising that Ohio
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State would be overconfidence in this scenario. I don't know
if they believe that Ryan Day has changed. I'm not
sure if they now that the playoff run has happened,
that it's a different Ryan Day and that's going to
change everything, because I just think it's much bigger than that.
I think it's the rivalry. I think it's the moment.
I think it's each play. I think it's the prep
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every single day that you have with your team throughout
the entire year that you're planning for this game. So
it's crazy to me to think that Ohio State would
feel any sort of overconfidence heading into Saturday.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
Yeah, you know, and obviously one very small sample size
I'm just speaking about.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
You know, I don't know in.
Speaker 5 (05:36):
Your circles if that reflects outside of your personal opinion
how everybody else feels.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
But you know what I would say is a couple
of things.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
Is one I agree obviously, like if Michigan can win
the game last year, they could absolutely do it at home.
I think what's kind of interesting is, and j Martin
and I talk about it, Jason Martin and I who
I know filled in for two pros this morning, we
talk about it on our show, is that Michigan has
to be the Wiettest nine and two team in the
history of college football. Like just and listen, it's not pretty.
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You know, offense is you know what Michigan's offense is.
The defense isn't as good as it's been a couple
scheduling breaks with obviously no Oregon, no Michigan this year.
Speaker 4 (06:18):
But the counter to that is they are nine.
Speaker 5 (06:21):
And two coming into this game, and you know, you
go back to last year and they were what six
and five coming into the game. So and it's at home,
So there's a lot of variables in Michigan's favor I
want to ask you just a big picture question, Dan
is Ryan Day, So listen, it's he's basically and earned
that national championship last year. You know, incredible run deserves
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every piece of positive praise that he's got. And and I
say that as someone who was critical, you know, especially
coming out of last year's game, when everything was lined
up twenty million dollars roster, you couldn't get the job done. Whatever,
But I just want to ask you, does feel kind
of like a total free roll for him? Since the
day that confetti fell against Notre Dame last January? What
(07:05):
do you think the reaction would be on Ryan Dan.
Let me set it up for people who might not know.
Is that, you know, one, a fifth straight loss to Michigan. Two,
we don't know all of the tie breakers. Probably a
pretty good chance you are not going to the Big
Ten championship game. Potentially a year where you have been
number one in every college football playoff pole, you might
(07:29):
not even get that first round by depending on how
things go. So listen, I'm not talking about hot seat.
I'm not talking about this. I'm not talking about that.
He's he's the rightful coach. He's been awesome this year,
He's been awesome throughout his career, with the Michigan bugaboo exception.
I'm just curious, like, what would the message boards be
like on Saturday, if there, in fact is a fifth
straight loss again with a team that is very comfortably
(07:52):
favored this time going into ann Arbor.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Yeah, so I think that there's a lot there. And
I'll quick tell you Detroit made the field goal, so
it's thirty one to twenty five or Green Bay they'll
just converted the third and five, so Detroit has got
one time out, two forty three left to go, Packers
up seven. I think that if Ohio State were to
lose this game the placing that you see in the bracket,
the same fans that are over confident heading into this
(08:14):
game and thinking that this is all Ohio State will
also think like, well, we'll just do what we did
last year.
Speaker 6 (08:19):
We'll just run the table.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
We'll just win the four games, and then Ohio State
will win a national championship. And that is not the case.
I actually think the thing that was Ohio State was
criticized for last year was trying to run the football
and be physical with Michigan, no doubt. But the crazy
thing is Aaron with that was that was actually a
(08:41):
complaint the previous three years Prior now, Ohio State actually
had a chance to beat Michigan in Ann Arbor two
years ago, they had a drive near the end of
the game ended up stalling on in Michigan territory. They
were down five, but Ohio State was really moving the
football at that point, whether they get it into the
end zone or not. But Kyle McCord ended up getting
(09:04):
hit and ball ended up getting picked off and that
was the end of the game. But Ohio State I
don't think matched Michigan's physicality those previous three games in
those losses. So I understand that if you're Ryan Day
and you're Chip Kelly at that point, you're like, hey,
not only do we have the horses, like we can
beat them at their own game. And they missed a
(09:26):
couple of field goals. Honestly, Will Howard got dinged up
in that game. I don't know if he was right
after he got dinged up in the second quarter, he
seemed to be flustered. They couldn't do anything with the
passing game, and Michigan has a lot to do with
that in how Ohio State can or can't move the
ball through the air. Weather is also a factor. I
hear fans down playing weather. It's gonna be cold, it's
gonna be thirty degrees, there may be snow flurries, there
(09:48):
may be winter elements, and I think that you would
rather run the ball in those situations than pass the ball.
So I think that's caught up with them. But I
do think that there is an overconfidence in terms of
thinking that Ohio State just has the better players. So
if they don't win this game, I think that there
is a fraction of the fans that'll just say, we
just care about the playoffs. And as someone who's had
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this rivalry ruin their days and weeks and years for
forty years because the outcome didn't fall in there. The
two thousands, by the way, were pretty awesome, Like it
was ruined then like during that time. Same thing with
about the twenty teams, but prior to that, like it's stunk.
Speaker 6 (10:27):
It consumes you. Monty and I have done shows together.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
I've told her it all matters is November twenty ninth,
twenty twenty five, Like this is the game, and I'm
surprised that others aren't aren't thinking like that. It's also
a unique rivalry and the reason I want to play
this clip a couple of reasons because Dan Patrick show
here on Fox Sports Radio, Two Pros and a Cup
of Joe. Here on Fox Sports Radio. Brady Quinn one
(10:50):
of the Pros and two Pros. He was on with
Dan Patrick earlier this week and they had a conversation.
Aaron and Dan kind of set it up in trying
to ask Brady about up the Michigan Ohio state rivalry,
comparing to a rivalry that is near and dear to
Brady Quinn's heart. Here was their exchange earlier this week
on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
How would you compare Notre Dame USC to Michigan and
Ohio state rivalry.
Speaker 7 (11:15):
Well, I grew up in Columbus, Ohio, So I've got
a pretty good idea of the differences between the two
only because of the nature of both schools, how close
they are in proximity, the types of players that they
traditionally recruit in both states, you know, the top players,
and so it's just an entirely different feel between the
two because they're both two Midwest schools, and so it's
(11:36):
not a battle of culture where you get that a
little bit with you know, Catholicism and Notre Dame in
the Midwest versus like this so cal laid bag, like
let's go out and surf, and I don't want to
believe in anything, or I believe in everything. So it's
a very stark contrast between the two fan bases for
SC Notre Dame versus what you get in Michigan and
Ohio State. I mean, these are, you know, two programs
(11:59):
and two schools, wolves who know you know each other
so well. There's so much history behind it, just in
regards to even the coaching staffs and all of that.
So I would say with Notre DAMESC, there's tradition, there's history,
there's both schools.
Speaker 6 (12:14):
Kind of honoring, at least used to.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
I don't know if that tradition will continue, but honoring
kind of the differences between the two. With Ohio State Michigan,
I don't feel like either or honoring anything. I feel
like it's a he it's you against us, and that's
all that matters this one day every year, and depending
on the outcome, we're never going to forget it. For
(12:36):
the dinder in sixty four days, regardless of how well
our team does in the playoff, for even winning a
national championship.
Speaker 6 (12:43):
That is a perfect summation.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
I think of this rivalry from Brady Quinn and he
knows it and it's true, and I feel he backs
up what I said of like what this game is.
And it's also there's the geographic angle of it of
you have to schools bordering states close to each other.
There's that there. I don't want to say basically the same,
(13:07):
but that's kind of the point that Brady is putting up,
as you have this two different entities kinds of with
Notre Dame and USC, and you almost have two identical
entities in Michigan and Ohio State. Now I don't know
if either school would want to admit that, but it is,
you know, similar to that, and there is there is
no nostalgia. No one everybody knows it, but no one
(13:29):
wants to admit that you can't be one without the other.
Like there's just even in the down years, like when
Ohio State was winning and you know, Rich Rodriguez was there,
like and this is in the late aughts. I went
to I've been to two Ohio State Michigan games one
and O six, which was one versus two, a game
of the century. And then two years later when there
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wasn't that hype and Ohio State won forty two to seven,
and it was a completely different feel when you don't
have competitive teams. And that's what I feel is so
different about this And it's not to disregard Michigan's success
during the early part of this short winning streak eerin,
but what is so unique with this rivalry and I'm
using in air quotes and I think you'll understand what
(14:12):
I mean is the better team isn't winning. And what
I mean by that is Ohio State can sit there
and say, we've won the national championship, look at what
we've done recruiting, look at what we've done with our victories,
look at who we've beat.
Speaker 6 (14:27):
But you can't beat Michigan.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
And it's not to say that Michigan has been less
than than the last couple of years, but that's not it.
But that is also what has turned this rivalry, I think,
over the last couple of years to be so so
annoying and so frustrating for Ohio State fans because they
feel they have the quote and I'm using the air quotes,
better team, but the better team is never winning this game,
and that is just so frustrating.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Yeah, it was funny, you know, I referenced we're at
the Golden Knights game last night, and there were some
people from Michigan behind us, and you know, kind of
over here, I'm talking about the game whatever we were
talking about. How you know Michigan is the only one
that really has a trump card over Ohio State right now?
Right is that you know who know, you know who
knows that Ohio State had the better roster at least
last year than Michigan did.
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Michigan fans, Yes, you don't think that.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
You know, for the last three hundred and sixty four days, Hey,
congrats on that, Natty, but guess what, you still didn't
beat us.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
And oh, by the way, we know that we did
not have the superior roster.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
So I think that's a very interesting dynamic in all
that is that you know, one Michigan right now, for
as long as they have this winning streak, you know
they're gonna be kind of on this moral high ground,
not moral, but you know this high ground of hey,
we had to beat you guys to win that national championship.
We didn't just get to backdoor our way into a
(15:43):
twelve team playoff. And then, oh, by the way, you
still can't beat us, and you got to break getting
into that twelve team playoff, and if there was no
twelve team playoff, you're not national champs. So it'll be
interesting at some point, and I think it, you know,
very easily could be as early as Saturday, that rivalries
go flip. And when it does, you know, Michigan won't
have the like to stand on. Yes, they'll have the
(16:04):
four straight wins, but Ohio State will have the most
recent national championship in that that time, the most recent win.
But I just bring it up because for right now,
Michigan fans should be pouting out their chest heading into sect.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
It's also why the cheating scandal was such a hot topic,
because Ohio State is saying we have the better team
and the only reason that you win. That's not entirely true,
but is that you did this and Michigan did this
and went to these lengths because of what had happened
the previous two decades, Right Like, there's something in place
(16:39):
for Michigan to try to get over this hump. That's
the argument, and that's at the crux of it all.
So the whole counter stallion saga is all based on
this rivalry.
Speaker 6 (16:50):
And there may be.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Other schools that they scouted to try to win that
national championship. But it all is based on what happens
with Ohio State and Michigan and that outcome of that
game at the end of November. That's what it all
comes down to. And it's funny because now, Aaron, you'll
hear a lot of this countdown of days since Michigan
or Ohio State beat Michigan. I've seen it over the
(17:12):
last couple of years. The Columbus Dispatch, I believe, had
a countdown like that basically through the two thousands up
until you know, twenty nineteen, where you would have various
days and it would be a crazy amount of days
that would say it's been X amount of days since
Michigan beat Ohio State. Now that has turned and it's
used against Ohio State fans and they're living about hearing that,
(17:35):
you know, hearing that number, and Michigan fans are happily
claiming it and pointing to it and saying, yeah, it's
been this long and it could be another three hundred
and sixty five. But both teams use the same sort
of ammunition to try to get under the skin of
their rival.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Fascinating times and so real quick, just what is Dan
Byer's overall take on the game. Because Ohio State does
have the better team, this game is in Michigan, I
would argue the gap between the two teams is.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Smaller this year.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
So it's one thing to say that you don't have
the confidence or you know, arrogance of we're going to
go and win, But.
Speaker 4 (18:15):
How do you you know, definitively, but how do you
actually feel.
Speaker 6 (18:18):
About it all? Honestly?
Speaker 3 (18:18):
It's running game is is has not been as great
as they would have hoped throughout this year. Bo Jackson's
the guy that's kind of taken the lead on that,
and I think you're gonna have to lean on that
running game. They've tried a bunch of different plays. I
think the health of Jeremiah Smith and Carnell Tate is
obviously a big, big part of it. But the biggest
(18:39):
name I think in all of this is Andrew Marsh.
I think for Michigan the freshman wide receiver. We may
talk about Bryce Underwood, we may talk about Julian sand
and those guys are going to have to make plays
in their first game the you know of the game,
but Andrew Marsh being the threat on the outside. In
Ohio State's corners, they highly touted, but there's Davis sinig
(19:03):
Minosen can commit a penalty or four. So if you
have Andrew marsh in a situation where how frustrating would
that be for Ohio State to have these two primo
first round prospects, Jeremiah Smith, who I think is the
best player in college football, maybe being overshadowed by a
Michigan wide receiver. Like that's the sort of stuff that
happens in this rivalry. I actually think Michigan's probably gonna
(19:26):
win on Saturday. Wow, yeah, I do, but we'll see.
It's I think that it's funny because when I've watched Michigan,
I've heard people say Michigan just yeah, it just hasn't
looked hasn't looked the same. And I look at him
and I say, wow, Okay, that could be difficult. This
could be difficult. If they get after Julian San as well,
which I think Michigan can do, it could be tough
(19:47):
for the Buck guys on Saturday.
Speaker 5 (19:49):
Last quick thought for me is that I do hate
the whole like SEC well, like if we would have
nine teams undefeated, if they played Ohio State schedule. But
like I do think there is something too that with
these bloated conferences. The reality is, listen, you caught Texas
in week one, Arch to his credit, is better.
Speaker 4 (20:08):
I don't know how good Texas is.
Speaker 5 (20:10):
But after that, you know, you didn't play Oregon, you
didn't play USC you didn't play Indiana. And so I
think two things can be true. I think Ohio State
is the deserving number one team in the country. They've
done what they needed to do against the schedule that
was placed in front of them. But the counter to
that is I do still think they are relatively untested
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this late in the season.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
He's erin Torres. I'm Dan Byer. This is a friend's
giving on Fox Sports Radio. I just want to jump
to the news desk. Manzi Milanios. Green Bay had a
fourth and three trying to run out the clock, and
I don't think we have Manzi of it. Maybe we
don't have Manzi right now, but green Bay holds on
thirty one twenty four. Packers ended up getting a fourth.
(20:54):
It was a fourth and three on the conversion. Manzi.
Speaker 8 (20:57):
Yes, sorry, sorry, I was sure if you were talking
to me, Yes, it was a fourth and three. And
he threw to Dontavian Wicks and he lost his shoe
but caught the ball and that's what ended the game.
Speaker 9 (21:07):
They were three of three from fourth down.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
Sounds like my wife again, Happy birthday to my wife.
I wouldn't shay if you were talking to me. I
heard some voice chattering. But Packers get a big win
against the Lions. We may get a guest from that
game or two, our own Chris prefet is in Detroit.
He took his mom to the game today, so Chris
may chime in. Also may get a chance to talk
(21:29):
to a green Bay Packer as Packers get that big
victory for the Lions seven and five. Green Bay now
eight three and one with the victory today. He is
Aaron Torres. I'm Dan Byer. Now the scene shifts to
what's happening in Dallas with the Chiefs and Cowboys, and
the scene will also shift to Oxford, Mississippi. What a
weekend it is for the Ole miss Rebels. The Egg
(21:51):
Bowl on Friday and then the decision on Saturday. We'll
talk about it next year on Fox Sports Radio.
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Speaker 6 (22:48):
One down, two to go on this Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
When it comes to NFL games, the Packers top the
Lions thirty one to twenty four. Mantzi Blahos will have
details coming up in a matter of minutes. But Aaron,
oh my goodness, straight from Detroit on our doorstep as
he just took in this Lions Packers game and he
took his mom to the game. Welcome to Friends Giving,
(23:13):
Our teammate and friend at Fox Sports Radio, Chris Perfets,
who is in Motown to watch the Lions and Packers today.
I don't know what was better, Chris, the game or
the halftime show.
Speaker 6 (23:26):
Give us the reviews.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
I think the halftime show kind of sold. Everyone starts.
I don't think Eminem was on the docket, and I
kind of got the sense of it because they had
that what's that one drives go. I'm like, all right,
this is an Eminem thing. What's Jack White doing with it?
And then pop there he is. The goo's a seven
nation army. But everyone I think it's funny. And my
mom's friend actually texted her and said, you're seeing Eminem
(23:49):
right now. I'm so jealous. So I think that's the
one who sold the show there, especially with how the
Lions offen supported themselves at the end of the game.
Speaker 5 (23:57):
Chris, let me ask you this yes play. I think
it was probably the third to last series of the game.
Dan Campbell goes for it rather than kicking the field
goal to make it a one score game. The subsequent drive,
Jared Koff gets hit pretty hard by Michael Parsons.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
Then Dan Campbell decides to go for it. Are you bothered?
Speaker 5 (24:18):
We know that what the ethos of the organization is,
but should he have kicked that field goal with about
eight nine minutes to go in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Well, I am one who understands the analytics of it,
and I think I appreciate it. I will say I
think the Ford field fates weal is getting a little
tired of it, just because the efficiency isn't there. The
play calling is more of the issue than going for
it at this point. That wasn't the one fourth down,
but there was one earlier in the game where they
kept handing the ball off. They brand the thing play
four times. Basically, I didn't have a problem with the
(24:47):
fourth down call there. Well, I did have a problem
with was that drive was very language. Both those offensive
drives took a lot of time off the clock and
you're down that many points, and I think if I
have to pinpoint the problem between this Lion's off sense
of last year, it's just the lack of urgency sometimes
and that kind of situation we see the Lions maybe
start to go up Temple and just it wasn't there.
(25:08):
I think they burned. That was like a six to
seven minute drive or something. And they were still down
ten points to that point. I didn't really hate it
too much, but you gave yourself no time to have
a third drive at the end of the game, and
I think that's where people were really frustrated.
Speaker 11 (25:23):
There, just the lack of urgency.
Speaker 3 (25:25):
For those that don't know, Chris Profet is our teammate
here at Fox Sports Radio. He's also covered the Lions
for years and took his mom to her first ever
Lions game today on Thanksgiving Day at Ford Field in Detroit.
He's joining eron Torres and myself. How did mom like
the Thanksgiving experience? And it's kind of a two part question,
(25:46):
because how does this differ from every other Lions game
that you would normally go to, or any fan would
go to. How is Thanksgiving Giving Day's Thanksgiving Day game different?
Speaker 2 (25:57):
Well, Hey, we started by having dinner when on Wednesday
for our Thanksgiving because there's nobody home to cook the turkey.
B I surprised her with a custom Lions jersey. She
didn't have one. She had a bunch of blue to
wear the game, and I just popped in with the
number one mom jersey. Really get her there a great moment.
It was a great moment. Yeah, it's very impressive. Detroit
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really gets down for This is a really old Thanksgiving game.
I think it's got to be at least over one
hundred years old at this point. You know, not long
after they came up from Portsmith and became the Lions
playing the Bears on Thanksgiving. They were owned by a
radio mobile at the time who came up with this
idea of playing on Thanksgiving to really give them a
lot more publicity. And it worked and it really shows
(26:38):
like it's it is.
Speaker 4 (26:39):
It is still.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Unbelievable around here in Detroit right now. There are tons
of people pouring out. We missed our parking garage once
and we almost didn't get there in time for kickoff
because there's just so many people around here. It's I
would say this this is actually my second Thanksgiving game.
I went ten years ago when they were playing the
Philadelphia Eagles. They won that game, but I also would
say it was easier to get in, and also I
(27:02):
saw like three different fights with Eagles fans in those stands.
This thankfully no fights for my mom. There was a
guy behind us who was just kind of like giving
it to Dan Campbell the entire time. Which he didn't enjoy.
But this is her first ever NFL experience too. You
guys know this. You're college football fans. She's grown up
a lot of college football in her life. It's very different.
It's a lot more agro, I would say, though, like
(27:24):
you know, you've at least got good vibes for what
the Lions are. Their season is starting to take a
nosedive here, so I'll see how it goes. But like it.
It's a fantastic thing. You saw the they bring out
the halftime show. It's a fantastic halftime show. They got
the Fox NFL crew there. I'm sure some lucky packer
ate the ate the turkey and everything. The gobbler or
(27:47):
do they do the tur ducan? Is it a cilitar
Duckcan you know?
Speaker 6 (27:50):
They were eating something?
Speaker 3 (27:51):
And I saw somebody with a wing, Yes, but I
didn't have the sound out in the studio, so I
couldn't quite see if.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
It was the wing not the leg.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
It's usually a.
Speaker 6 (28:00):
Yes, but I saw someone with a wing leg.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
You hold a leg, you look like, you know, an
a norseman out of Viking in a big chunk of meat.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
Mad had six of them on there, right there is
eight that they would throw on there.
Speaker 2 (28:12):
Yeah, because they stuffed like what five different bird is
a turkey, a duck and a chicken tur duck in right? Yeah.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Absolutely, they were mowing down his Packers defense. Who got
after it got after the Lions today, Jordan Love. They
should probably save two or three legs for his performance
as well. Chris, we loved having you stop by on
this Thanksgiving, on this friends Giving. Enjoy the rest of
your time with Mom and your rest of your time
in Motown and in the Midwest, and safe travels back
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here to the West Coast.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
Happy Thanksgiving guys, and see you soon.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Happy Thanksgiving. Chris Purfet, our teammate at Fox Sports Radio.
You'll hear him during End Zone Radio on Sundays. You
also hear him Saturdays here on FSR and various points.
Had to have Chris call in since it was such
a special day for he and his family taking in
that Lions Packers game.
Speaker 5 (28:58):
That was awesome, man, And I'm glad you you know, listen,
I was kind of locked in on the final result
and this and that, and I'm glad you just asked about,
you know, the mom experience, but then also not just
the mom experience, but also the city experience, because I think,
you know, we all think of Thanksgiving as this time
(29:18):
where you're with family and you're this and you're that.
But I would venture to guess, with however, many decades
of this being on the calendar, there's probably a lot
of civic pride in hosting that game. And so I'm
glad you got that question in because I thought it
was interesting to hear Chris's response on that.
Speaker 3 (29:33):
I love and I've heard stories of fans who always
have tickets to the game and they have their Thanksgiving
meal at night. Now, I remember walking into many of
my Thanksgivings and having the Lions game beyond the TV.
Had an early Thanksgiving on one side of the family,
a late Thanksgiving on the other. But the Lions game
also always signified to me being in Aunt Betty's house
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for Thanksgiving. So at what would be, you know, eleven
thirty noon Central time, you'd have the Lions game on
on the old TV and family around. So that's why
I've never ever wanted the Lions removed. And now they've
been good, you're not having that stupid conversation of should
we take Detroit off, and your point. It's so much
a part of the city and the history that Detroit
should never lose Thanksgiving Day.
Speaker 5 (30:17):
Well, real quick, I remember you mentioned off the top,
you know, an hour one of this Doug Gottlieb show,
that you and I have been doing this for quite
a while now.
Speaker 4 (30:24):
And I remember, I mean pre Dan Campbell.
Speaker 5 (30:26):
We must have been doing it because at least one
year we had the conversation of should this this come off?
And I know that should this be removed from Thanksgiving Day?
And I know you've had this take since before the
Lions were actually good, So it shows how long.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
We've been doing this for.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
But also the fact that you know this is a
stance that you have had for quite some time now.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
Well, Monty Belanos is here and we don't want you
to do every Thanksgiving Day game, Monzi, but we are
appreciative that you're here with us for this friends giving,
hanging out, giving us the latest of what's happening today.
Speaker 8 (30:59):
You know, I don't know, Oh it's a Latino thing,
but I never have done Thanksgiving early, like it has
always been an evening thing, not a but I've heard
of like, yes, you started the day and then you
have leftovers for the second.
Speaker 9 (31:12):
Round later in the evening.
Speaker 8 (31:14):
I've never I've never celebrated Thanksgiving like that, but that
seems up my alley because I love leftovers and I
would just keep drinking the entire time, So it sounds
like right up my alley.
Speaker 6 (31:24):
So I and I thought about this. I brought up
so right now.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
In Wisconsin, back where I'm from, Aaron, it's hunting season
where you can hunt deer with a gun, and it's
a it's a it's a tradition throughout the years. It's
foreign to a lot of people, including Manzi. But what
people would do also is they would hunt during the day.
To Manti's point of having a dinner at night. They'd
be out in the fields during the day for Thanksgiving
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and then they'd come in as it gets dark at
around three or four o'clock and then you would have
Thanksgiving meal. But for us, we would have it earlier.
It allowed us to go to the other side of
the family later on in the day.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
You could go to two places. So that's why we
had it early.
Speaker 8 (32:03):
I literally just hunt my next drink, you know what
I'm saying, And that's what I'm doing. But uh yeah, guys,
you just talked to Chris Purfett, who was at the game.
Speaker 9 (32:12):
How exciting for him. He had told me he was
going to get.
Speaker 8 (32:14):
His mom that jersey, So I'm glad he was able
to actually do it. Packers defeated the Lions thirty one
to twenty four.
Speaker 9 (32:20):
That first touchdown, guys, I don't know what a I
don't know what is declared a touchdown anymore. I really don't,
you know.
Speaker 4 (32:25):
I thought I was crazy on that. No, I don't
know anyone the second.
Speaker 8 (32:28):
Foot down, they're saying that that that he caught it
like the first foot came down, but it's like the
ball is barely touching his hand at that point.
Speaker 9 (32:36):
How can you declare he has control?
Speaker 8 (32:37):
But that's what they're saying that that first step was
in and it made no sense to me.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
And who was the other one? Was it Aj Brown
last week that made the catch? The foot never got planted,
but he hit the pileon And I was like, how
is that not a touchdown?
Speaker 4 (32:51):
I know you have to have yes too, yes, but
it hit the pile on.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Yeah, So like if a guy, I don't know, that
one was weird, yeah, because it was like he had
he clearly had control and across the goal line.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Blandino right away was like, no, it's a touchdown. I'm like,
all right, dude, if you say so.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
But this this may sound like really stupid and simplistic.
I just think you need better refs, like like we
talk about like all these different cameras and like we
need it. Oh like look, they didn't even to this point,
they didn't even overturn it.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
No, just get better refs.
Speaker 9 (33:21):
Even I think Tom Brady's like, that's not a.
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Catch, make it, make a Commiitiating has been so bad,
so bad, and it's so inconsistent. And I know there's
such a topic of like being a full time job,
like maybe it's about that time to do so, and
so you're not saying like here's so and so he's
a middle school teacher during the week. But they might be better, yes,
Like oh, just like allow them to focus on the job.
(33:45):
Like there's just a like if replay isn't gonna save them,
then they got to do better.
Speaker 9 (33:49):
Yeah, no, absolutely, and uh yes.
Speaker 8 (33:51):
Patrick Mahomes about to start in his first Thanksgiving game
and Dallas is the Chiefs taking on the Cowboys.
Speaker 9 (33:57):
Quickly. Here, cold quarterback.
Speaker 8 (33:59):
Daniel Jones did so for a fracture in his fibula,
but apparently he's going to play through it For Week
thirteen against the Texans. The Bears have activated cornerbacks Kyler
Gordon and Jalen Johnson from injured reserve.
Speaker 9 (34:10):
They face Philadelphia tomorrow, which, by.
Speaker 8 (34:11):
The way, Eagles wide receiver Davante Smith off the injury report,
so he should be good to go as well. When
it comes to the NBA, the Warriors anticipate Steph Curry
we'll miss around a week or so with a quad
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Speaker 9 (34:42):
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Speaker 3 (34:43):
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Speaker 9 (35:14):
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Because the world needs Sesame and Sesame needs you. Cowboy
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Prescott picked off on his first possession of the game
for the Cowboys. Chiefs turned it into some points. Patrick
(35:41):
Mahomes touchdown pass to Rashid Rice, Rice doing much of
the work, or at least the blockers that were out
in front of him. So it's seven to nothing just
two minutes in in favor of the Chiefs over the Cowboys.
A tough way to go for Dallas, who had all
that momentum following the win against the Eagles. This kind
of started out like their game against the Eagles last
week when they spotted them twenty one points.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
That's what I was gonna say.
Speaker 5 (36:00):
Yeah, I mean, it's just I'm gonna be worried because
they did the exact same thing last week. But yeah,
Deck took a pretty hard hit, threw it up and
got picked. So we'll see, we'll see. You know, we
talked a little bit about this game Chiefs. I don't
think either of us are sold that there's a magic
turnaround coming around, even after the win against the Colts.
I think we both like Dallas, or at least at
(36:23):
the minimum. They're a good watch. I enjoy watching them,
But you know, Chiefs win this one. It's two wins
in five games, and maybe they do have some momentum
to two wins in five days. I think I just
said five games, but two wins in five days and
some real momentum and going into the final stretch of
the year.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
Are you one of those people who like believes like
if Kansas City gets in the tournament when we try
to sound cool about the playoffs, that like it's gonna
be the same old Kansas City or you still have questions.
Speaker 4 (36:51):
No, I have questions.
Speaker 6 (36:52):
You know.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
It's it's funny.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
I'm a big believer in like, I think that's the
most overrated Like, well, you just you can't let him in.
It's like I remember the Super Bowl last year. Everyone's like,
I mean, you just can't bet against Kansas City. And
I actually, and there's tape of me saying this. I said,
I think Philly wins, and I think Philly wins by
double figures. And I said, Philly is literally better at
every position group except for quarterback.
Speaker 4 (37:14):
I said, I don't. I don't.
Speaker 5 (37:15):
There's no mystique when you're that much better at every
other spot on the field.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
And so you know, I think it's matchup based. I don't.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
I don't think there's like any teams that I feel
like they have zero percent chance against off the top
of my head in the AFC. But I don't think
that it's if they just get into the field. I
mean no, no, I think this is the weakest version
of them that we've maybe seen since Mahome took over
at quarterback.
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out on this friends giving Mancy Bilanos is here. Ian
Roddie's our executive producer, Ryan Smith, our technical producer. We
may be checking in from Motown as the Packers got
that huge win over the Lions. Lions right now on
the outside looking in Green Bay in a nice little spot,
that tie that they had against the Cowboys this year.
I know they would have rather have had the victory,
(38:25):
but a loss would have put them further back. So
that eight three to one record right now has Green
Bay in a nice little spot. They just have to
overtake those Bears right now in the NFC North.
Speaker 5 (38:36):
Yeah, when we talked about this earlier in the show
is listen. Two things can be true. The Bears are
a very nice story and the Packers are a tie
against the Dallas Cowboys away from being tied with them
for first place in that division, and both those those
two teams have yet to play each other, which means, obviously,
do some simple math, it means they'll play twice down
(38:58):
the stretch. So love the Bears story. I'm not trying
to minimize it. But a lot of wins against bad
opponents and now Green Bay coming on strong and like
I said, tied in the lost column. And again they'd
be tied out right if it wasn't for the tie
in Dallas early on in the season.
Speaker 3 (39:15):
All Right, you hit Aaron up at Aaron underscore Torres,
you can find me at Dan Byer on Fox. Joining
us now at the friends giving door. Green Bay Packers
wide receiver Christian Watson joins us. Christian, how does this
How do this offense get clicking on all cylinders like
it did today? How did you guys get it going
offensively against Detroit?
Speaker 12 (39:35):
I thought we've had the right mentality. I mean, I
feel like we had that aggressive mindset going into this game.
We knew it was going to be a dog fight,
and we knew that we were gonna have to, you know,
be aggressive to get it done. So I think we
came in with the right mentality and you know we
were able to execute, you know, enough to go out
there and you know, to show it.
Speaker 4 (39:53):
Christian.
Speaker 5 (39:53):
It's a long season, but you guys are on a
three game winning streak. There's a team frankly sort of
ahead of you in the divisional standings but not really,
but you get to play them twice going forward. Just
big picture, long season, but feels like you guys are
trending in the right direction and playing your best football.
Speaker 4 (40:09):
Do you guys feel the same way?
Speaker 11 (40:11):
Oh yeah, no, one undred percent. I mean we know
these next couple of weeks, you know, super important for
you know, our goals and our aspiration of the season.
So I mean we've got to keep on chucking, find
a way to go, want to know, every weekend, you know,
just keep building, getting a little bit better every week.
I feel like we're going to be in a good spot.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
I know we're a little tight on time, but just
quickly to down Tavian Wicks get both feed in on
that first touchdown. Oh yeah, that's a Thanksgiving miracle, Christian.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
I have to say that's a Thanksgiving miracle.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
I'll tell you what you guys put it together today
and had a heck of an effort and can't wait
to see more of what the Green Bay Packers have
coming down the home stretch here.
Speaker 6 (40:44):
Congrats on the win today.
Speaker 12 (40:46):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 11 (40:46):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 3 (40:47):
Christian Watson, green Bay Packers wide Receiver. Unfortunately we're a
little tight on time there. Couldn't get more with Christian,
but I'm glad he stopped by. Andy brought some bars.
That was great. He's Aaron Torres, I'm Dan Bayer. The
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