May 19, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug and the crew share what they loved most and what they hates most about the weekend in this week's installment of "Love AND Hate". Doug and the crew talk about Angel Reese's weekend. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through The Press.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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place for calls on it. But I think we have
time to have a great and reasonable discussion about the
Caitlin Clark angel rees, plus the accusations about fever fans
upcoming upcoming, But before we can get to that, Every Monday,
we like to recap the weekend in things that we
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enjoyed we didn't enjoy. We call it love and hate.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
What did you love?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
God? I love you?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
These? Claire hay Is.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Love love love love love, Hey, hey, hey hate? What'd
you love from the weekend? What'd you hate from the weekend? Teez? Yeah,
all right, I'm gonna start boys. I was watching the
New York Knicks demolished the Boston Celtics Game six Eastern
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Conference semi Finals, and I watched them pan the crowd
and Pat Ewing's there, and Bernard King is there, and
every dignitary in New York is there. Stephen A Smith
there And suddenly now stephen A is back to being
a Knicks fan after disowning the team a couple of
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years ago. The fans are there Remember, the fans are
wanting to sell the team, sell the team. Jim Dolan's
still the owner of the of the Knicks, yes he is.
Nothing has changed there, you know it's changed. They're winning,
they're winning. And oh yeah, by the way, no one
has said, hey, Jim Dolan, great job handing over control
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to Leon Rose. Nobody again, that doesn't make him the
greatest dude, or a great owner or not a dysfunctional
place to work. I don't know anything about that. I haven't.
My point is what I love is sometimes cliches you
can prove it to somebody, and the cliche is winning
cures all ills. Right, Zero things change with the ownership
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of the New York Knicks. Zero things change. And Tom Thibodeau, right,
he couldn't. He wears out guys, they don't have it
left in the playoffs of this he's that or whatever.
Tibbs sort of vindicated as well. Right. The only thing
that's changed is they've got a little bit better as
a team. That they have team toughness, team competitiveness, and
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their best players a very as a winning player. And
they didn't get hurt, and the Celtics did, winning cures
all ills don't believe me. I give you the New
York Knickerbockers. I love that it played out at MSG
on Friday night, Dan Byer, what'd you love for the weekend?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Doug.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
I'm gonna take it unique twist on this because we
teased it earlier and I don't love one side of it,
but I do love the other side of it, and
the other side is I love that Bryson, to Shambo,
continues to speak with the media and understands on how
things can work and how things worked to his benefit
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and works for the fans benefit. Bryson shoots seventy one
under round one under par round yesterday, but doesn't win
the PGA Championship, ends up in a tie for second place,
five back of Scotti Scheffler. There was a point on
Saturday where Bryson was in it, but then he ended
up falling off a little bit and Scheffler kind of
ran away, not ran away from the pack, but gained
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separation on Saturday. Bryson talked after the round on Saturday,
talked after the round on Sunday, spoke with the media
after the master's loss a month ago when Rory McElroy won,
and that pales into comparison to what Rory McElroy did
this week and not speaking after the rounds or any
of the rounds the PGA Championship. And I'm a big
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Rory fan, but I did not like his decisions this
week in not speaking with the media, especially when his
driver ended up being pulled from competition because it failed
a conformity test. Now he never used it during any
other rounds, but he had a new driver this week
and obviously something wasn't right. Rory made the cut but
wasn't in contention at all, and I think you just
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have to you have to talk in those situations. Tiger
Woods spoke all the time. Now, he won a lot,
but he didn't win every single time, and Tiger Woods
was always speaking with the media, and so Rory, who
was on top of the Gulf world a month ago,
now kind of goes incognito. It was a shame to
see because he had always been outspoken and kind of
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got burned by it throughout the early live days then
kind of took a step back. And I don't know
if he's gunshy dug in speaking, but to not speak
after any of the rounds, I think it's a disservice,
especially for a guy who's won that championship twice in
his career.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, yes, I I couldn't couldn't agree.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
More so, I love that Bryson ye heartbreak.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Right, who's had a tough reputation with the media.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yes, it's really interesting, like Rory's kind of been protecting class.
Bryceon has been a guy that people have gone after,
and Bryson did the right thing. I think we both agree.
You promote your sport. It's part of what it's part
of how it all works together.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Yeah, and Bryson's got other interests obviously, I mean he's
playing on live, but also his YouTube channel and the
things that he does there, so he understands it. Amanda Balionis,
who did the interview with Bryson, was extremely like gracious
and like, thank you so much for talking to us.
I know it's probably not, you know, the best time,
but yeah, like she understands it and and Bryson gets
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it as well.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
For some reason, Rory didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
This weekend, I was Sean and I was what's left
for the weekend.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
I did love the Indiana fevers over the Chicago sky.
What a difference a year makes this team with a
pretty much, you know, a couple new faces. They look bigger,
they look faster, they just look even though it's kind
of a new ensemble with a new coach, they look
more organized. And the first half against the Sky was
a little clunky and Kaitlyn Clark picked up a couple
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of fouls.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
She wasn't shooting great.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
The second half they just let it rip and they
won by thirty five. Was one of the biggest margins
of a victory they've had. And I think an opener
or any any WNBA game, I was, I sat down
for this game and I was hooting and hollering and
whooping and hollering, and you know, you had the moment
between Kaylyn Clark and Angel Reese and I mean, I
just remember last year's opening game. I think it was
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against the Sun. It was just a struggle. Kaitlyn Clark
looked like she just didn't, you know, belong out there.
Obviously she would prove that wrong, but she proved that otherwise.
But this she just looked stronger. She was throwing passes
out there like a quarterback. That was fun. That was fun,
and the Fever are gonna be fun to watch. I
definitely think they're a contender. I loved it. I loved it.
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And listen, I called this a rivalry on Friday or
Thursday actually, and whether people want to acknowledge it as such,
I think it's definitely a rivalry between these two, these
two teams.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
And I'm gonna go ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I'm just gonna piggyback on on what he loves, because
just for the sake of time, I know this isn't
Iowa Northwestern, but yes, uh, just for the second time,
I'm going to piggyback on this. I I don't care
if the Fever win. I don't care if they're better.
I like watching Caitlin Clark. I watched every minute of
that game. If you would have told me two years
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ago that you're gonna spend a Saturday afternoon tuning into
every minute of a w NBA game, I would have
asked which of the Avengers chose to play in the WNB.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So good?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yeah, so good?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
And to see Sam Sam touched on this. She left
assists on the court. There are still passes that are
mates can't quite handle. She constantly pushes the tempo. I
love seeing what she does. Two opponents like there's a
lot of that magic on Saturday that we saw in college.
I like that about her, and I'm gonna keep watching
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until she becomes just kind of a pedestrian good player
and they keeping.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
Yeah, there are points that they could have gone over
one hundred, and there were several close shots they missed,
and they'll get that under range and they'll get that
under control.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
But wow, that's what we loved. Let's get till we
hated from the weekend. We are with our resident hater,
Jason Stewart, Jase dou.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I couldn't stand that my Nuggets got the rasses kicked.
And it's not necessarily that I had any prediction or anything,
but I really do believe that the best content moving
forwar would have been would have been Jokic winning, because
people hate when he wins. It was frustrating. I hated
the fact that it wasn't even really a game after
the first quarter and that the thunder just like ran
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them over. Jokic couldn't do a single thing. He was
getting almost no help. Westbrook kind of showed us what
Doug has always said about him. In this series. I
think the overall stats were like a minus thirty three
or something for the whole series ninety five thirty three
maybe was just in the fourth quarter on on Sunday.
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So I hated that it was disappointing. I was gearing
up for a good game. That's all we hoped for
was a good game, and it just was miserable. So
I hated that.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I thought you would have hated by Angel sweeping your Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
But that's okay, Dann Byer Doug.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
It was a tough weekend for my hopes of a
Canadian team lifting Lord Stanley's Cup, as sixty six percent
of the Canadian teams went down in conference semi final action,
and that includes the Winnipeg Jets on Saturday night losing
to the Dallas Stars. Now, the Leafs lost last night
Game seven at home to the Florida Panthers, which is very,
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very Toronto Maple leaf esque. But what happened on Saturday
is I think a moment, and it's more than a
moment of just absolute heartbreak when it comes to Mark
Schiffley of the Winnipeg Jets. For those that maybe don't
follow hockey or have followed the playoffs of what has
gone on, Shifley's dad passed away within twenty four hours,
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forty eight hours of them playing Game six on Saturday night,
and Shiffley decided to play in the game and had
a goal in the contest to put them up one
nothing in the second period. Dallas ends up evening the score.
They're nearing the end of the third period tied up
at one apiece and Dallas is almost almost as a breakaway.
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Shiffy ends up committing a penalty. They could have called
a penalty shot, they did not, but in the end
it gave Dallas a two minute power play. They went overtime,
but on that power play, with Mark Shiffley in the
penalty box, Dallas scored an end of the series. And
so we see a lot of situations, I should say
a lot of situations. The Brett Favre situation is the
most popular one. Right Farv's dad passes. He plays against
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the Raiders in Oakland on Monday night football and has
the game of his life, and everybody is like, my goodness,
But we never think of the flip side and how
Mark Schifley could have felt, and if you would have
seen how his teammates and how the Dallas Stars tried
to console him after game six admirable by them, but
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just an awful feeling for a guy who obviously feels
responsible that it was his penalty that may have cost them,
despite him having a goal earlier in the game, and
now he's got to go and bury his dad. Like,
just absolutely awful. But that handshake line was so long
because everybody was just stopping him and all the Dallas
stars were you know, giving him words of you know,
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encouragement or sympathy.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Yeah, it was just quite the scene in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Onseven, Okay, okay, I'll just I hated Game six. In
Game seven, I hated the under and sheer dominance of
the Celtics obviously above the Knicks against the Celtics and
the thunder against the Nuggets, Like, I mean, those tickets
cost good money. Yesterday I was fired up. And as
much as it's fun, you know, it's like such a
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blowout and everybody's celebrating and having a great time, Like
you really want to know what's inside of a Shay Gildess, Alexander,
what's inside of a you know, the magic till the
Jalen Brunson is not the forty point blowout, It's the
what happens in a one point game when one of
those guys has the ball a chance to win the game,
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and we didn't. We didn't see it. Now again, it's
only a semi finals. We eventually will get that answer.
But it just I don't know, I hates the strong word,
but it's part of the segment. I just hated the
fact that those games that we all thought we're gonna
build up to some crescendo and be some incredible finish
were over before the final quarter ever started over. Not
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competitive for either of those two Like when you're I
feel for those guys at the end of both of
those benches who didn't play previously in the series, then
all of a sudden they're out there playing like ten minutes.
Do you know how sore those guys are. Jalen Pickett
who played at Sienna at Penn State, like he's playing
like the last eight minutes. That is, who has dost
enough the needs to go out there and play. But
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I just hated how those games were non competitive. Iowa Sam.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
Rick Heller has been io Iowa Baseball's skipper for over
a decade now. He's done a great job. He's got
in Iowa baseball to three NCAA tournaments. He's won a
tournament championship, but Iowa was in the closest position. It
had been in a long long time to winning a
regular season Big Ten championship in baseball. They haven't won
one since nineteen ninety. They had a great march in
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a great April. They were like, had a huge lead
on the rest of the Big Ten until they started
playing the West Coast teams that are now in the
Big Ten, and it was like a slow death, like
of a python squeezing you and just sucking the life
out of you. They just needed one win over Oregon
to at least share some of the Big Ten championship,
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and they just have had the worst go of it
against these They played Oregon State, Oregon, Washington and there's
something like one win, one tie, was a weird tie,
and a bunch of losses, and over the weekend, the
chances of winning that Big Ten championship were just slowly
stripped away from them. It was very hard to watch.
It shows you the talent level is so much different
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West Coast baseball. Now, what they bring to the Big Ten,
they're gonna up the quality of the conference overall. But man,
that was hard to watch because IOA fattened up on
all the Midwest League or all the Midwest teams in
the Big Ten, and then when they got to the
West Coast, it was like a buzzsaw.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
They just went down in flames.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
And that's love it.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
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Speaker 1 (16:03):
What Up Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's
have this discussion. Okay. So there's the Angel Rees Caitlin
Clark play. Then there's the calls that Caitlin Clark was like,
there were racial epitaphs yelled at Caitlin Clark at Angel Reees. Okay,
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I wasn't there. I don't know. There are eighteen thousand
people that were there. Okay, but I want to here's
let me give you the overarching part of it. Okay,
the overarching part of it. And I can't tell you
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what happened in the past at WNBA games. I do
find it really hard to believe that WNBA games over
the last twenty five years in whenever they moved to
Indiana that they were racial epithets, yelled. I just again,
I don't think people will go to a if you
don't like black women, you're not going to go to
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a WNBA game, just like if you don't like people
who are alternative lifestyles. Like for honest with ourselves, the
WNBA has been perceived fairly or unfairly, and I think
it's been fair is more than half of half of
the women are our lesbian, are gay or LGBTQ, no
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T but l whatever, Okay, alternative lifestyle. However you want
to determine it. So again, you're telling me that people
that go and attend this sporting event that is made
up of I don't know predominantly or even if it's
fifty to fifty black women, and made up of even
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if it's fifty to fifty lesbian women, people pay money
to see them, and they're racists and they yell racial
epithet That's hard to believe. Now, fast forward to the
Indiana Fever, which is it is a family show, right,
and I'll go into more detail in the podcast. I
think one of the things about the Fever that we
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have to give a massive amount of respect to is
the fact that it's marketing genius one. They obviously have
the main attraction. It's Caitlin Clark, the most popular and
famous female basketball player, female athlete we have in the
United States. I think that's a fair like Katie Ledecki
is way more accomplished, but she is just a fraction
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of as known and as popular as Caitlin Clark. That's fair, right.
So you have this rocket ship of success and marketers
dream so they make over the roster and they have talent.
They have who are the two women? Their Sam Sophie
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and Sophie Cunningham, and right, we're both beautiful blondes and
they both have really good personalities. So again it's kind
of a I don't know if they're heterosexual. I'm guessing
they are, especially with one of the stories about one
of them about today. But the slim bit of sex
symbol going on there, which is okay, it's okay for
beautiful women to be beautiful women. Right. It's not okay
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to say super inappropriate things, but it's okay for beautiful
women and for the WNBA to be celebrated as such. Right.
So you have the seclectic group of talent, some beauty
star success, different coach and oh yeah, by the way,
the product is is now being viewed by sellout crowd
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after sell out crowd at home, and it's a family show.
You look at the throngs of young girls who dream
of being Caitlin Clark. The idea that one person, let
alone a group of people would be selling racial epithets
when half of the fever are black, Like, why would
why would anybody who attends that event allow that to happen?
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They would not, They would not. And and here's the
part that makes it really hard. Just because somebody is
a white person and likes Caitlin Clark does not mean
that they don't appreciate, respect, admire or can't treat black
people with the same amount of respect. Like that doesn't
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that doesn't track. I don't understand the association with it.
So I just think, forget about the foul thing. We
all know what that's about, right, Angel Reese wants to
wants to be the Draymond Green of the WNBA. That's
my assumption, right that, you know, she wants to be
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the Draymond Green in the WNBA. It's worked for Draymond Green.
It's absolutely worked and Draymond Green is nothing different. You know,
it's a slightly different for version of Dennis Rodman meets
Charles Barkley. Right, it works for those guys, so why
would it work for so I don't care about the foul,
like it's a foul, but the way that Caitlin Clark
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handled it shows like she has clearly put herself above
all of this, like I'm above it. It was a foul.
I don't any want to do. But as far as
the controversy, I feel like it's a controversy just because
are we willing to believe that on a was it
a Saturday? Was it a Sunday? When was like a
Saturday on a Saturday, in front of a sellout crowd
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between two of the biggest names in the sport, including
the biggest female star uh in sports, in front of
a sellout crowd made up of moms, dads and little girls,
that there's a group of people yelling out racial epithets
at black players. I find out, and no one pointed out,
no one had them escorted out. I find that really
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hard to believe. Buyer, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I think it just is overshadowing the point that Angel
Reese responded and reacted to the way at the foul.
I don't believe that something like that occurred because of
the setting. The fever will probably investigated, but I think
you laid out a lot of the points on why
I don't believe that it also happened. I think that
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the response and what it was. And it's funny because
you mentioned Kitlin Clark's response. At first, I said, and
I'd even gone through this process on my show yesterday,
that I wish Kitlin Clark would have stepped up and
it would have gotten in Angel Reese's face. And then
I realized that that's not a win for her. The
situation I felt was a win for Angel Reese where
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then she could respond and say the things that you
wanted to do and do the things that you wanted
to do to Caitlin Clark. But that's not a win
for Kitlin Clark. I wish it Leah Boston, instead of
separating them, would have just stood up to Angel Reese
in that situation. But I think all three of those players,
and all thirty of the players, and the coaches and
the thousands of fans to your point, Doug, if they
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would have heard something that something would have been done.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
We had this.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Recently and I'm completely blanking on what game it was,
but there were was it tost Yeah, it was towards Draymond. Yeah,
you mentioned that, and where the fans in Minnesota were
being investigated. Fans pointed that fan out and that fan left.
But so the fans were active. Minnesota fans were not
having any of that.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Nobody wants to hear Nobody wants to hear that, correct, nobody.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
If nobody in my kid to the.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Game, there is no way that I would want any
of that to go around.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yes, yes, And in a place like a Fever game,
no chance that person doesn't get pointed out and escorted
out none, Jase do.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
There are a couple of narratives here, right, because remember
last season there was talk among the players that Fever
fans are racist because they just associated the social media
of Caitlin Clark fans to Fever fans and they were
being racist. So they're racist. I think that's feeding into this.
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I think that that the WNBA and the Chicago Sky
they both sent out announcements. Okay, And first of all,
I want to define the word platitude a remarker statement,
especially of moral content that has been used too often
and is not thoughtful or interesting. Platitude Number one Chicago
Sky We welcome the investigation from the WNBA. We will
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do everything in our power to protect Chicago Sky players,
and we encourage the league to continue to do their investigation.
The WNBA says, we strongly condemn racism, hate, and discrimination
of all forms, and there's no place in our society
for that. None of those things justify or even draw
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attention to the fact that what is there to investigate here?
What do you mean you're going to investigate this? Yeah,
we're all against racism, got it. I just think this
is like one of those things where the WNBA got
heat from the players for not responding to this last year,
and now they're over correcting. Now they're gonna overcorrect and
say we're looking into all allegations of racism and misogyny,
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and it just strikes me as disingenuous.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yes, but I also I also do you view the
accusations a bit disingenuous?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, yes, Okay, Sam, you're the biggest WNBA fan follower,
and you do have that Caitlyn does have that restraining order.
Out against you.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
What do you think, Yes, yes, he does. I agree
with Jason there. I think that this is just a
distraction for how badly they got beat. I think that,
you know, it was a raucous place, it was a
raucous environment. I'm sure she was being shouted at. Let's
hope that it wasn't something racist or racially charged. But
when you take a whooping bite like that by thirty
five and you're you're gonna draw attention to something to
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maybe save face a little bit by like diverting attention
to I was treated.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Poorly over the course of this butt whooping. That's what
I think it is.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
I don't know what they're gonna find in this, in
this uh investigation. I bet it's gonna come back as
relatively nothing because Angel just had a bad day at
the office.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Colin has a belief that women have a tendency to
melt down more on social media because they're not used
to the level of I guess hatred you get or yeah,
negativity you get on social media. They're just that's not
how women are equipped, right, That's just not that their
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reaction is is sometimes one of shutting down or where
they just kind of melt down and they start just
firing out bombs at people, right, I think Caitlyn's I mean,
I think Angel Reese is like that. I just I
think she's playing a game in a way in which
she doesn't understand. And when I say game, I'm talking
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about the media game, not the actual game of the WNBA,
in which she doesn't understand that by screaming for attention,
she gets attention. Not all that attention is gonna be positive.
And yeah, people are gonna dislike you now, not all
disliking is hatred, and even hatred is It doesn't feel good.
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I've I've dealt with it, but it's like, if you
just keep welcoming it in, why are you surprised when
it happens? I don't know. I'm I feel like Angel
Reese wins every time we talk about her, So I
feel bad about talking about her because I just don't
think she's worthy of the win. Maybe that's the genius
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to what she's trying to do, but I'm a little
bit worn out by by Angel Reese's whole act.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
And Doug would we would all agree.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
I think that the decorum in the w NBA versus
the NBA is different. The way coaches talk to refs,
the way players talk to refs, the way fans interact
with players. It's like there's a little bit more maybe
feelings that can be hurt. Uh, people take things more personally,
Like you am I wrong here? You can't really curse
at the officials in the WNB.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I don't. I don't know w NBA. I feel like
in women's college basketball absolutely totally different. You know, like
you can't say anything to a ref anything like we
can t Yeah, we can say a lot of things refs,
and they don't. It's just you can't be demonstrative. You
can't yell those curse words at them, make it about them.
You can say you can curse generally right, and you
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get away with a lot. But I do I again,
Whereas again, I think when I watch the w NBA recently,
I feel like they're a a caricature of what they
what the perception of the NBA is right where where
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NBA guys they'll talk a little bit of trash, you
won't be able to hear it. Or maybe they get
a bucket and they do the too small thing. Maybe
they smile, maybe they talk a little bit whatever, whereas
the WNBA, because they've heard all these stories of trash
talk like theirs is just it's just so blatant, right,
and the celebrations are so over the top, and everything's
just kind of over the top. Yeah, I definitely think
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it's it's a bit different. Stut Gottlieb Sharre in Fox
Sports Tradio, Jase, do go ahead, you want to get in.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
You said that a couple minutes ago that Angel Reese
is playing a game, playing a game with the media.
I don't know what that game is. I just know this.
The last couple of times she's been given a chance
to talk on a microphone, last week she was asked
about her own words. Remember that question last week you
said a year ago that it wasn't just one person,
that it's two people that are the reason for the
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rise of women's basketball. And then she said, next question please.
And then on Saturday after the game, she had this
exchange play.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
From your perspective, just what you saw in that play,
I can expert at what happened. Basketball player. Ref's got
it right, so yourn.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
So if she's playing a game with the media, she's
not doing it really well. Because if somebody actually said
something to her from from the attendance on Saturday. Would
she not have brought it up in these moments after
the game, like these fans that was unnecessary, Like use
your platform if you're playing a game with the media,
use your platform to bring attention to the hate and
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of the racism. But she's just been like short with
her answers and strange. So I don't know what game
she's trying to play her.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
I think that she realized because last year, if you
rewind a year, it felt like everybody was against Caitlyn
Clark and that's no longer the case within the league.
And so now you have this foul, you have the response,
and nobody is really taking Angel rec his side on
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that because nobody really even thought it was a flagrant
foul and then they saw how Reese responded. So in
some parts to what Jason is saying, I feel that
Angel Reese now has to play that card of I
had heard a racial theme or saying or something said
to me, because the response from this foul did not
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play through, and just that comment there of I'm fine,
move on basketball.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Play.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Next question is the equivalent of how are you? I'm fine,
I'm fine. I'm fine. That's exactly what it is. She's
not fine, she's not happy, and I think she's now
realizing that. Guess what, maybe, like last year, when a
lot of people were on your side, now people aren't
as much, so you have to start to go the
other way with your reactions. She wants her cake and
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wants to eat it too, but can't have it both ways.
How's that for cliches?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I actually I like it.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Is it a peanut butter cupcake?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
So here's my question. Here's my question. Does she last?
Because we're only a year two, She's clearly got the talent.
I think we all know she's a fairly unskilled scorer.
But she does all the other things really really well.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
She rebounds well, she defends well, she's tough. Like I'm
not somebody who's gonna do the destroy destroy her because
I don't like the act. She's a good basketball player,
she's an important basketball player, and she brings the number
one thing she brings, which is the number one thing
that we're searching for. I talked to the guys from
the thunder yesterday. Thing that they believe is the difference
is toughness. Just the ability to fight through tough stuff
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on the basketball floor. I don't think she has that
toughness off the floor. But again, some of that is
in how women have always been treated in the media
as like protected class, right, They've always been treated protective class.
Like you watch remember when she was in college and
I was critical of this when she was in college
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and they beat Caitlin Clark and she did that you
can't see me and she did the ring the ring celebration.
She was lauded. The women on ESPN thought it was
the greatest thing ever. So if that's the response to it,
and obviously she's surrounding herself with people who think that
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what she's doing is getting her more attention, getting her
more money. Whatever. She's not going to stop. It's only
going to get probably more obnoxious. Sam. Does she last
in the public eye?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:35):
I think so.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
I think that if her team gets better and they
play better against the fever, these won't beat These types
of things won't come up. I just think that what
you had was just someone licking their wounds. And then
after the fact, this report came out and listen, I
could be wrong, and if I'm wrong, and I apologize
in advance, but I really just think it was sort
of a feeling's hurt and this is a little distraction.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Dan Bayer, do you think she lasts?
Speaker 5 (34:04):
Yes, but she's got to learn that they need to
pivot now her and her team in this messaging. It
needs to whether it's move away from Keitland Clark or
whatever it is. But the messaging now needs to change
because it did not resonate this past weekend.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
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The press, all right, what have you got there?
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Damn buyer, Doug the Philadelphia.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
The Philadelphia Eagles have given head coach Nick Sirianni a
new multi year contract extension. Terms not available at this time,
but Sirianni had just one year left on this original
deal with Philadelphia now sticks around a while longer after
the Super Bowl win.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Listen, you can't argue with success to anybody who I mean,
Nick sierian is a perfect example. If you think that
the world is only annoyed by the behavior of Angel Reese,
I give you Nick Siriani, who generally widely despised. But
they've been really good, So congrats.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
The Cleveland Brownson rookie quarterback Shudor Sanders to a four
year deal with four point six million dollars. Mary Kacabot
Cleveland dot com, friend of this program, pointed out that
it's forty two million dollars less than what the umber
two overall pick would be getting, which is his teammate
at Colorado, Travis Hunter.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, I mean, I get it, but I don't think
he was ever in conversation for that. But I mean,
listen to times say you blow the interview. Right blow
the interview.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
SI dot com reports the Notre Dame USC football or
rivalry could be coming to an end after the twenty
twenty five season.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
I don't buy it. I don't think there's any way
USC and Notre Dame don't play. I would guess that
this is just public negotiations, that's all it is.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
Notre Dame, from their side of things, says they want
to keep the rivalry going. USC has offered a short
term extension, meaning they would play again in twenty twenty six.
USC has proposed moving the game to a season opening
slot slot, but the Trojans, according to Pat Forty, are
concerned about the significant travel now with their new Big Ten.
(36:57):
They also want to see how the college football playoff
format ends up shaking out. So it's USC the ones
kind of with cold feet on this and not Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Stop it, USC. If you it's it's about money, as
it's about get that some more money. No, oh oh
we can. We don't know if we can travel that far?
Like did you're in the Big Ten? What are you
talking about? You've always traveled for this game. I don't
buy that.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
At all, really I do. I mean, I understand that.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
I just I think that, and you may ultimately be correct,
but it is a lot more travel than they were
previously used to in the yes.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
And again, when you're into coaching, I can tell you
travel is a massive factor. It wears you out. It
wears you out, but you're not. That's not the game
that's going to go away. It's just not. It means
the rest of their non conference games will be at
home or they won't travel. You make too much money
on that game. I don't think there's any way in
which they don't. They don't keep that game going.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
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along with teammate Will Power, sent to the back of
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place for calls on it. But I think we have
time to have a great and reasonable discussion about the
Caitlin Clark angel rees, plus the accusations about fever fans
upcoming upcoming, But before we can get to that, Every Monday,
we like to recap the weekend in things that we
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enjoyed we didn't enjoy. We call it love and hate.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
What did you love?
Speaker 1 (01:39):
God? I love you?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
And what did you hate?
Speaker 3 (01:42):
These? Claire hay Is.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Love love love love love, Hey, hey, hey hate? What'd
you love from the weekend? What'd you hate from the weekend? Teez? Yeah,
all right, I'm gonna start boys. I was watching the
New York Knicks demolished the Boston Celtics Game six Eastern
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Conference semi Finals, and I watched them pan the crowd
and Pat Ewing's there, and Bernard King is there, and
every dignitary in New York is there. Stephen A Smith
there And suddenly now stephen A is back to being
a Knicks fan after disowning the team a couple of
(02:33):
years ago. The fans are there Remember, the fans are
wanting to sell the team, sell the team. Jim Dolan's
still the owner of the of the Knicks, yes he is.
Nothing has changed there, you know it's changed. They're winning,
they're winning. And oh yeah, by the way, no one
has said, hey, Jim Dolan, great job handing over control
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to Leon Rose. Nobody again, that doesn't make him the
greatest dude, or a great owner or not a dysfunctional
place to work. I don't know anything about that. I haven't.
My point is what I love is sometimes cliches you
can prove it to somebody, and the cliche is winning
cures all ills. Right, Zero things change with the ownership
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of the New York Knicks. Zero things change. And Tom Thibodeau, right,
he couldn't. He wears out guys, they don't have it
left in the playoffs of this he's that or whatever.
Tibbs sort of vindicated as well. Right. The only thing
that's changed is they've got a little bit better as
a team. That they have team toughness, team competitiveness, and
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their best players a very as a winning player. And
they didn't get hurt, and the Celtics did, winning cures
all ills don't believe me. I give you the New
York Knickerbockers. I love that it played out at MSG
on Friday night, Dan Byer, what'd you love for the weekend?
Speaker 4 (03:58):
Doug.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
I'm gonna take it unique twist on this because we
teased it earlier and I don't love one side of it,
but I do love the other side of it, and
the other side is I love that Bryson, to Shambo,
continues to speak with the media and understands on how
things can work and how things worked to his benefit
(04:20):
and works for the fans benefit. Bryson shoots seventy one
under round one under par round yesterday, but doesn't win
the PGA Championship, ends up in a tie for second place,
five back of Scotti Scheffler. There was a point on
Saturday where Bryson was in it, but then he ended
up falling off a little bit and Scheffler kind of
ran away, not ran away from the pack, but gained
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separation on Saturday. Bryson talked after the round on Saturday,
talked after the round on Sunday, spoke with the media
after the master's loss a month ago when Rory McElroy won,
and that pales into comparison to what Rory McElroy did
this week and not speaking after the rounds or any
of the rounds the PGA Championship. And I'm a big
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Rory fan, but I did not like his decisions this
week in not speaking with the media, especially when his
driver ended up being pulled from competition because it failed
a conformity test. Now he never used it during any
other rounds, but he had a new driver this week
and obviously something wasn't right. Rory made the cut but
wasn't in contention at all, and I think you just
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have to you have to talk in those situations. Tiger
Woods spoke all the time. Now, he won a lot,
but he didn't win every single time, and Tiger Woods
was always speaking with the media, and so Rory, who
was on top of the Gulf world a month ago,
now kind of goes incognito. It was a shame to
see because he had always been outspoken and kind of
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got burned by it throughout the early live days then
kind of took a step back. And I don't know
if he's gunshy dug in speaking, but to not speak
after any of the rounds, I think it's a disservice,
especially for a guy who's won that championship twice in
his career.
Speaker 1 (06:01):
Yeah, yes, I I couldn't couldn't agree.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
More so, I love that Bryson ye heartbreak.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Right, who's had a tough reputation with the media.
Speaker 4 (06:13):
Right.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Yes, it's really interesting, like Rory's kind of been protecting class.
Bryceon has been a guy that people have gone after,
and Bryson did the right thing. I think we both agree.
You promote your sport. It's part of what it's part
of how it all works together.
Speaker 5 (06:28):
Yeah, and Bryson's got other interests obviously, I mean he's
playing on live, but also his YouTube channel and the
things that he does there, so he understands it. Amanda Balionis,
who did the interview with Bryson, was extremely like gracious
and like, thank you so much for talking to us.
I know it's probably not, you know, the best time,
but yeah, like she understands it and and Bryson gets
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it as well.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
For some reason, Rory didn't.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
This weekend, I was Sean and I was what's left
for the weekend.
Speaker 6 (06:57):
I did love the Indiana fevers over the Chicago sky.
What a difference a year makes this team with a
pretty much, you know, a couple new faces. They look bigger,
they look faster, they just look even though it's kind
of a new ensemble with a new coach, they look
more organized. And the first half against the Sky was
a little clunky and Kaitlyn Clark picked up a couple
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of fouls.
Speaker 4 (07:20):
She wasn't shooting great.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
The second half they just let it rip and they
won by thirty five. Was one of the biggest margins
of a victory they've had. And I think an opener
or any any WNBA game, I was, I sat down
for this game and I was hooting and hollering and
whooping and hollering, and you know, you had the moment
between Kaylyn Clark and Angel Reese and I mean, I
just remember last year's opening game. I think it was
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against the Sun. It was just a struggle. Kaitlyn Clark
looked like she just didn't, you know, belong out there.
Obviously she would prove that wrong, but she proved that otherwise.
But this she just looked stronger. She was throwing passes
out there like a quarterback. That was fun. That was fun,
and the Fever are gonna be fun to watch. I
definitely think they're a contender. I loved it. I loved it.
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And listen, I called this a rivalry on Friday or
Thursday actually, and whether people want to acknowledge it as such,
I think it's definitely a rivalry between these two, these
two teams.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
And I'm gonna go ahead.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
I'm just gonna piggyback on on what he loves, because
just for the sake of time, I know this isn't
Iowa Northwestern, but yes, uh, just for the second time,
I'm going to piggyback on this. I I don't care
if the Fever win. I don't care if they're better.
I like watching Caitlin Clark. I watched every minute of
that game. If you would have told me two years
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ago that you're gonna spend a Saturday afternoon tuning into
every minute of a w NBA game, I would have
asked which of the Avengers chose to play in the WNB.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
So good?
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Yeah, so good?
Speaker 3 (08:52):
And to see Sam Sam touched on this. She left
assists on the court. There are still passes that are
mates can't quite handle. She constantly pushes the tempo. I
love seeing what she does. Two opponents like there's a
lot of that magic on Saturday that we saw in college.
I like that about her, and I'm gonna keep watching
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until she becomes just kind of a pedestrian good player
and they keeping.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
Yeah, there are points that they could have gone over
one hundred, and there were several close shots they missed,
and they'll get that under range and they'll get that
under control.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
But wow, that's what we loved. Let's get till we
hated from the weekend. We are with our resident hater,
Jason Stewart, Jase dou.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
I couldn't stand that my Nuggets got the rasses kicked.
And it's not necessarily that I had any prediction or anything,
but I really do believe that the best content moving
forwar would have been would have been Jokic winning, because
people hate when he wins. It was frustrating. I hated
the fact that it wasn't even really a game after
the first quarter and that the thunder just like ran
(10:03):
them over. Jokic couldn't do a single thing. He was
getting almost no help. Westbrook kind of showed us what
Doug has always said about him. In this series. I
think the overall stats were like a minus thirty three
or something for the whole series ninety five thirty three
maybe was just in the fourth quarter on on Sunday.
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So I hated that it was disappointing. I was gearing
up for a good game. That's all we hoped for
was a good game, and it just was miserable. So
I hated that.
Speaker 1 (10:36):
I thought you would have hated by Angel sweeping your Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
But that's okay, Dann Byer Doug.
Speaker 5 (10:42):
It was a tough weekend for my hopes of a
Canadian team lifting Lord Stanley's Cup, as sixty six percent
of the Canadian teams went down in conference semi final action,
and that includes the Winnipeg Jets on Saturday night losing
to the Dallas Stars. Now, the Leafs lost last night
Game seven at home to the Florida Panthers, which is very,
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very Toronto Maple leaf esque. But what happened on Saturday
is I think a moment, and it's more than a
moment of just absolute heartbreak when it comes to Mark
Schiffley of the Winnipeg Jets. For those that maybe don't
follow hockey or have followed the playoffs of what has
gone on, Shifley's dad passed away within twenty four hours,
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forty eight hours of them playing Game six on Saturday night,
and Shiffley decided to play in the game and had
a goal in the contest to put them up one
nothing in the second period. Dallas ends up evening the score.
They're nearing the end of the third period tied up
at one apiece and Dallas is almost almost as a breakaway.
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Shiffy ends up committing a penalty. They could have called
a penalty shot, they did not, but in the end
it gave Dallas a two minute power play. They went overtime,
but on that power play, with Mark Shiffley in the
penalty box, Dallas scored an end of the series. And
so we see a lot of situations, I should say
a lot of situations. The Brett Favre situation is the
most popular one. Right Farv's dad passes. He plays against
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the Raiders in Oakland on Monday night football and has
the game of his life, and everybody is like, my goodness,
But we never think of the flip side and how
Mark Schifley could have felt, and if you would have
seen how his teammates and how the Dallas Stars tried
to console him after game six admirable by them, but
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just an awful feeling for a guy who obviously feels
responsible that it was his penalty that may have cost them,
despite him having a goal earlier in the game, and
now he's got to go and bury his dad. Like,
just absolutely awful. But that handshake line was so long
because everybody was just stopping him and all the Dallas
stars were you know, giving him words of you know,
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encouragement or sympathy.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Yeah, it was just quite the scene in Dallas.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Onseven, Okay, okay, I'll just I hated Game six. In
Game seven, I hated the under and sheer dominance of
the Celtics obviously above the Knicks against the Celtics and
the thunder against the Nuggets, Like, I mean, those tickets
cost good money. Yesterday I was fired up. And as
much as it's fun, you know, it's like such a
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blowout and everybody's celebrating and having a great time, Like
you really want to know what's inside of a Shay Gildess, Alexander,
what's inside of a you know, the magic till the
Jalen Brunson is not the forty point blowout, It's the
what happens in a one point game when one of
those guys has the ball a chance to win the game,
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and we didn't. We didn't see it. Now again, it's
only a semi finals. We eventually will get that answer.
But it just I don't know, I hates the strong word,
but it's part of the segment. I just hated the
fact that those games that we all thought we're gonna
build up to some crescendo and be some incredible finish
were over before the final quarter ever started over. Not
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competitive for either of those two Like when you're I
feel for those guys at the end of both of
those benches who didn't play previously in the series, then
all of a sudden they're out there playing like ten minutes.
Do you know how sore those guys are. Jalen Pickett
who played at Sienna at Penn State, like he's playing
like the last eight minutes. That is, who has dost
enough the needs to go out there and play. But
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I just hated how those games were non competitive. Iowa Sam.
Speaker 6 (14:29):
Rick Heller has been io Iowa Baseball's skipper for over
a decade now. He's done a great job. He's got
in Iowa baseball to three NCAA tournaments. He's won a
tournament championship, but Iowa was in the closest position. It
had been in a long long time to winning a
regular season Big Ten championship in baseball. They haven't won
one since nineteen ninety. They had a great march in
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a great April. They were like, had a huge lead
on the rest of the Big Ten until they started
playing the West Coast teams that are now in the
Big Ten, and it was like a slow death, like
of a python squeezing you and just sucking the life
out of you. They just needed one win over Oregon
to at least share some of the Big Ten championship,
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and they just have had the worst go of it
against these They played Oregon State, Oregon, Washington and there's
something like one win, one tie, was a weird tie,
and a bunch of losses, and over the weekend, the
chances of winning that Big Ten championship were just slowly
stripped away from them. It was very hard to watch.
It shows you the talent level is so much different
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West Coast baseball. Now, what they bring to the Big Ten,
they're gonna up the quality of the conference overall. But man,
that was hard to watch because IOA fattened up on
all the Midwest League or all the Midwest teams in
the Big Ten, and then when they got to the
West Coast, it was like a buzzsaw.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
They just went down in flames.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
And that's love it.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Hey.
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Speaker 1 (16:03):
What Up Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Okay, let's
have this discussion. Okay. So there's the Angel Rees Caitlin
Clark play. Then there's the calls that Caitlin Clark was like,
there were racial epitaphs yelled at Caitlin Clark at Angel Reees. Okay,
(16:25):
I wasn't there. I don't know. There are eighteen thousand
people that were there. Okay, but I want to here's
let me give you the overarching part of it. Okay,
the overarching part of it. And I can't tell you
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what happened in the past at WNBA games. I do
find it really hard to believe that WNBA games over
the last twenty five years in whenever they moved to
Indiana that they were racial epithets, yelled. I just again,
I don't think people will go to a if you
don't like black women, you're not going to go to
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a WNBA game, just like if you don't like people
who are alternative lifestyles. Like for honest with ourselves, the
WNBA has been perceived fairly or unfairly, and I think
it's been fair is more than half of half of
the women are our lesbian, are gay or LGBTQ, no
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T but l whatever, Okay, alternative lifestyle. However you want
to determine it. So again, you're telling me that people
that go and attend this sporting event that is made
up of I don't know predominantly or even if it's
fifty to fifty black women, and made up of even
(17:54):
if it's fifty to fifty lesbian women, people pay money
to see them, and they're racists and they yell racial
epithet That's hard to believe. Now, fast forward to the
Indiana Fever, which is it is a family show, right,
and I'll go into more detail in the podcast. I
think one of the things about the Fever that we
(18:16):
have to give a massive amount of respect to is
the fact that it's marketing genius one. They obviously have
the main attraction. It's Caitlin Clark, the most popular and
famous female basketball player, female athlete we have in the
United States. I think that's a fair like Katie Ledecki
is way more accomplished, but she is just a fraction
(18:40):
of as known and as popular as Caitlin Clark. That's fair, right.
So you have this rocket ship of success and marketers
dream so they make over the roster and they have talent.
They have who are the two women? Their Sam Sophie
(19:01):
and Sophie Cunningham, and right, we're both beautiful blondes and
they both have really good personalities. So again it's kind
of a I don't know if they're heterosexual. I'm guessing
they are, especially with one of the stories about one
of them about today. But the slim bit of sex
symbol going on there, which is okay, it's okay for
beautiful women to be beautiful women. Right. It's not okay
(19:24):
to say super inappropriate things, but it's okay for beautiful
women and for the WNBA to be celebrated as such. Right.
So you have the seclectic group of talent, some beauty
star success, different coach and oh yeah, by the way,
the product is is now being viewed by sellout crowd
(19:46):
after sell out crowd at home, and it's a family show.
You look at the throngs of young girls who dream
of being Caitlin Clark. The idea that one person, let
alone a group of people would be selling racial epithets
when half of the fever are black, Like, why would
why would anybody who attends that event allow that to happen?
(20:09):
They would not, They would not. And and here's the
part that makes it really hard. Just because somebody is
a white person and likes Caitlin Clark does not mean
that they don't appreciate, respect, admire or can't treat black
people with the same amount of respect. Like that doesn't
(20:30):
that doesn't track. I don't understand the association with it.
So I just think, forget about the foul thing. We
all know what that's about, right, Angel Reese wants to
wants to be the Draymond Green of the WNBA. That's
my assumption, right that, you know, she wants to be
(20:51):
the Draymond Green in the WNBA. It's worked for Draymond Green.
It's absolutely worked and Draymond Green is nothing different. You know,
it's a slightly different for version of Dennis Rodman meets
Charles Barkley. Right, it works for those guys, so why
would it work for so I don't care about the foul,
like it's a foul, but the way that Caitlin Clark
(21:14):
handled it shows like she has clearly put herself above
all of this, like I'm above it. It was a foul.
I don't any want to do. But as far as
the controversy, I feel like it's a controversy just because
are we willing to believe that on a was it
a Saturday? Was it a Sunday? When was like a
Saturday on a Saturday, in front of a sellout crowd
(21:35):
between two of the biggest names in the sport, including
the biggest female star uh in sports, in front of
a sellout crowd made up of moms, dads and little girls,
that there's a group of people yelling out racial epithets
at black players. I find out, and no one pointed out,
no one had them escorted out. I find that really
(21:57):
hard to believe. Buyer, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 5 (22:00):
I think it just is overshadowing the point that Angel
Reese responded and reacted to the way at the foul.
I don't believe that something like that occurred because of
the setting. The fever will probably investigated, but I think
you laid out a lot of the points on why
I don't believe that it also happened. I think that
(22:21):
the response and what it was. And it's funny because
you mentioned Kitlin Clark's response. At first, I said, and
I'd even gone through this process on my show yesterday,
that I wish Kitlin Clark would have stepped up and
it would have gotten in Angel Reese's face. And then
I realized that that's not a win for her. The
situation I felt was a win for Angel Reese where
(22:41):
then she could respond and say the things that you
wanted to do and do the things that you wanted
to do to Caitlin Clark. But that's not a win
for Kitlin Clark. I wish it Leah Boston, instead of
separating them, would have just stood up to Angel Reese
in that situation. But I think all three of those players,
and all thirty of the players, and the coaches and
the thousands of fans to your point, Doug, if they
(23:02):
would have heard something that something would have been done.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
We had this.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Recently and I'm completely blanking on what game it was,
but there were was it tost Yeah, it was towards Draymond. Yeah,
you mentioned that, and where the fans in Minnesota were
being investigated. Fans pointed that fan out and that fan left.
But so the fans were active. Minnesota fans were not
having any of that.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Nobody wants to hear Nobody wants to hear that, correct, nobody.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
If nobody in my kid to the.
Speaker 5 (23:33):
Game, there is no way that I would want any
of that to go around.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yes, yes, And in a place like a Fever game,
no chance that person doesn't get pointed out and escorted
out none, Jase do.
Speaker 3 (23:47):
There are a couple of narratives here, right, because remember
last season there was talk among the players that Fever
fans are racist because they just associated the social media
of Caitlin Clark fans to Fever fans and they were
being racist. So they're racist. I think that's feeding into this.
(24:08):
I think that that the WNBA and the Chicago Sky
they both sent out announcements. Okay, And first of all,
I want to define the word platitude a remarker statement,
especially of moral content that has been used too often
and is not thoughtful or interesting. Platitude Number one Chicago
Sky We welcome the investigation from the WNBA. We will
(24:30):
do everything in our power to protect Chicago Sky players,
and we encourage the league to continue to do their investigation.
The WNBA says, we strongly condemn racism, hate, and discrimination
of all forms, and there's no place in our society
for that. None of those things justify or even draw
(24:52):
attention to the fact that what is there to investigate here?
What do you mean you're going to investigate this? Yeah,
we're all against racism, got it. I just think this
is like one of those things where the WNBA got
heat from the players for not responding to this last year,
and now they're over correcting. Now they're gonna overcorrect and
say we're looking into all allegations of racism and misogyny,
(25:16):
and it just strikes me as disingenuous.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yes, but I also I also do you view the
accusations a bit disingenuous?
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, yes, Okay, Sam, you're the biggest WNBA fan follower,
and you do have that Caitlyn does have that restraining order.
Out against you.
Speaker 6 (25:41):
What do you think, Yes, yes, he does. I agree
with Jason there. I think that this is just a
distraction for how badly they got beat. I think that,
you know, it was a raucous place, it was a
raucous environment. I'm sure she was being shouted at. Let's
hope that it wasn't something racist or racially charged. But
when you take a whooping bite like that by thirty
five and you're you're gonna draw attention to something to
(26:03):
maybe save face a little bit by like diverting attention
to I was treated.
Speaker 4 (26:07):
Poorly over the course of this butt whooping. That's what
I think it is.
Speaker 6 (26:11):
I don't know what they're gonna find in this, in
this uh investigation. I bet it's gonna come back as
relatively nothing because Angel just had a bad day at
the office.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
Colin has a belief that women have a tendency to
melt down more on social media because they're not used
to the level of I guess hatred you get or yeah,
negativity you get on social media. They're just that's not
how women are equipped, right, That's just not that their
(26:44):
reaction is is sometimes one of shutting down or where
they just kind of melt down and they start just
firing out bombs at people, right, I think Caitlyn's I mean,
I think Angel Reese is like that. I just I
think she's playing a game in a way in which
she doesn't understand. And when I say game, I'm talking
(27:05):
about the media game, not the actual game of the WNBA,
in which she doesn't understand that by screaming for attention,
she gets attention. Not all that attention is gonna be positive.
And yeah, people are gonna dislike you now, not all
disliking is hatred, and even hatred is It doesn't feel good.
(27:30):
I've I've dealt with it, but it's like, if you
just keep welcoming it in, why are you surprised when
it happens? I don't know. I'm I feel like Angel
Reese wins every time we talk about her, So I
feel bad about talking about her because I just don't
think she's worthy of the win. Maybe that's the genius
(27:53):
to what she's trying to do, but I'm a little
bit worn out by by Angel Reese's whole act.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
And Doug would we would all agree.
Speaker 6 (27:59):
I think that the decorum in the w NBA versus
the NBA is different. The way coaches talk to refs,
the way players talk to refs, the way fans interact
with players. It's like there's a little bit more maybe
feelings that can be hurt. Uh, people take things more personally,
Like you am I wrong here? You can't really curse
at the officials in the WNB.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
I don't. I don't know w NBA. I feel like
in women's college basketball absolutely totally different. You know, like
you can't say anything to a ref anything like we
can t Yeah, we can say a lot of things refs,
and they don't. It's just you can't be demonstrative. You
can't yell those curse words at them, make it about them.
You can say you can curse generally right, and you
(28:39):
get away with a lot. But I do I again,
Whereas again, I think when I watch the w NBA recently,
I feel like they're a a caricature of what they
what the perception of the NBA is right where where
(29:01):
NBA guys they'll talk a little bit of trash, you
won't be able to hear it. Or maybe they get
a bucket and they do the too small thing. Maybe
they smile, maybe they talk a little bit whatever, whereas
the WNBA, because they've heard all these stories of trash
talk like theirs is just it's just so blatant, right,
and the celebrations are so over the top, and everything's
just kind of over the top. Yeah, I definitely think
(29:26):
it's it's a bit different. Stut Gottlieb Sharre in Fox
Sports Tradio, Jase, do go ahead, you want to get in.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
You said that a couple minutes ago that Angel Reese
is playing a game, playing a game with the media.
I don't know what that game is. I just know this.
The last couple of times she's been given a chance
to talk on a microphone, last week she was asked
about her own words. Remember that question last week you
said a year ago that it wasn't just one person,
that it's two people that are the reason for the
(29:53):
rise of women's basketball. And then she said, next question please.
And then on Saturday after the game, she had this
exchange play.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
From your perspective, just what you saw in that play,
I can expert at what happened. Basketball player. Ref's got
it right, so yourn.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
So if she's playing a game with the media, she's
not doing it really well. Because if somebody actually said
something to her from from the attendance on Saturday. Would
she not have brought it up in these moments after
the game, like these fans that was unnecessary, Like use
your platform if you're playing a game with the media,
use your platform to bring attention to the hate and
(30:32):
of the racism. But she's just been like short with
her answers and strange. So I don't know what game
she's trying to play her.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
I think that she realized because last year, if you
rewind a year, it felt like everybody was against Caitlyn
Clark and that's no longer the case within the league.
And so now you have this foul, you have the response,
and nobody is really taking Angel rec his side on
(31:00):
that because nobody really even thought it was a flagrant
foul and then they saw how Reese responded. So in
some parts to what Jason is saying, I feel that
Angel Reese now has to play that card of I
had heard a racial theme or saying or something said
to me, because the response from this foul did not
(31:21):
play through, and just that comment there of I'm fine,
move on basketball.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Play.
Speaker 5 (31:27):
Next question is the equivalent of how are you? I'm fine,
I'm fine. I'm fine. That's exactly what it is. She's
not fine, she's not happy, and I think she's now
realizing that. Guess what, maybe, like last year, when a
lot of people were on your side, now people aren't
as much, so you have to start to go the
other way with your reactions. She wants her cake and
(31:49):
wants to eat it too, but can't have it both ways.
How's that for cliches?
Speaker 1 (31:55):
I actually I like it.
Speaker 4 (31:57):
Is it a peanut butter cupcake?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
So here's my question. Here's my question. Does she last?
Because we're only a year two, She's clearly got the talent.
I think we all know she's a fairly unskilled scorer.
But she does all the other things really really well.
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Right.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
She rebounds well, she defends well, she's tough. Like I'm
not somebody who's gonna do the destroy destroy her because
I don't like the act. She's a good basketball player,
she's an important basketball player, and she brings the number
one thing she brings, which is the number one thing
that we're searching for. I talked to the guys from
the thunder yesterday. Thing that they believe is the difference
is toughness. Just the ability to fight through tough stuff
(32:41):
on the basketball floor. I don't think she has that
toughness off the floor. But again, some of that is
in how women have always been treated in the media
as like protected class, right, They've always been treated protective class.
Like you watch remember when she was in college and
I was critical of this when she was in college
(33:02):
and they beat Caitlin Clark and she did that you
can't see me and she did the ring the ring celebration.
She was lauded. The women on ESPN thought it was
the greatest thing ever. So if that's the response to it,
and obviously she's surrounding herself with people who think that
(33:23):
what she's doing is getting her more attention, getting her
more money. Whatever. She's not going to stop. It's only
going to get probably more obnoxious. Sam. Does she last
in the public eye?
Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:35):
I think so.
Speaker 6 (33:36):
I think that if her team gets better and they
play better against the fever, these won't beat These types
of things won't come up. I just think that what
you had was just someone licking their wounds. And then
after the fact, this report came out and listen, I
could be wrong, and if I'm wrong, and I apologize
in advance, but I really just think it was sort
of a feeling's hurt and this is a little distraction.
Speaker 1 (34:02):
Dan Bayer, do you think she lasts?
Speaker 5 (34:04):
Yes, but she's got to learn that they need to
pivot now her and her team in this messaging. It
needs to whether it's move away from Keitland Clark or
whatever it is. But the messaging now needs to change
because it did not resonate this past weekend.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Stugt Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Okay, coming
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time rivalry in college football as lasted one hundred years
be coming to an end? We'll discuss next.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
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Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
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Fox Sports Radio videos on YouTube. Let's get to the press.
The press, all right, what have you got there?
Speaker 4 (35:09):
Damn buyer, Doug the Philadelphia.
Speaker 5 (35:10):
The Philadelphia Eagles have given head coach Nick Sirianni a
new multi year contract extension. Terms not available at this time,
but Sirianni had just one year left on this original
deal with Philadelphia now sticks around a while longer after
the Super Bowl win.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Listen, you can't argue with success to anybody who I mean,
Nick sierian is a perfect example. If you think that
the world is only annoyed by the behavior of Angel Reese,
I give you Nick Siriani, who generally widely despised. But
they've been really good, So congrats.
Speaker 5 (35:46):
The Cleveland Brownson rookie quarterback Shudor Sanders to a four
year deal with four point six million dollars. Mary Kacabot
Cleveland dot com, friend of this program, pointed out that
it's forty two million dollars less than what the umber
two overall pick would be getting, which is his teammate
at Colorado, Travis Hunter.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
Yeah, I mean, I get it, but I don't think
he was ever in conversation for that. But I mean,
listen to times say you blow the interview. Right blow
the interview.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
SI dot com reports the Notre Dame USC football or
rivalry could be coming to an end after the twenty
twenty five season.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
I don't buy it. I don't think there's any way
USC and Notre Dame don't play. I would guess that
this is just public negotiations, that's all it is.
Speaker 5 (36:35):
Notre Dame, from their side of things, says they want
to keep the rivalry going. USC has offered a short
term extension, meaning they would play again in twenty twenty six.
USC has proposed moving the game to a season opening
slot slot, but the Trojans, according to Pat Forty, are
concerned about the significant travel now with their new Big Ten.
(36:57):
They also want to see how the college football playoff
format ends up shaking out. So it's USC the ones
kind of with cold feet on this and not Notre Dame.
Speaker 1 (37:06):
Stop it, USC. If you it's it's about money, as
it's about get that some more money. No, oh oh
we can. We don't know if we can travel that far?
Like did you're in the Big Ten? What are you
talking about? You've always traveled for this game. I don't
buy that.
Speaker 4 (37:20):
At all, really I do. I mean, I understand that.
Speaker 5 (37:27):
I just I think that, and you may ultimately be correct,
but it is a lot more travel than they were
previously used to in the yes.
Speaker 1 (37:39):
And again, when you're into coaching, I can tell you
travel is a massive factor. It wears you out. It
wears you out, but you're not. That's not the game
that's going to go away. It's just not. It means
the rest of their non conference games will be at
home or they won't travel. You make too much money
on that game. I don't think there's any way in
which they don't. They don't keep that game going.
Speaker 5 (37:59):
And back to back Indy five hundred winner Joseph Neugarden
along with teammate Will Power, sent to the back of
the grid for this Sunday's Indy five hundred And for
those that don't know, we're telling you now and we
will all week long. You'll see the Indy five hundred
on Fox and that's the press.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
They get out there and pressed.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
That was the press show. You could he could, Yeah,
you could see us. Check out our Fox Sports Radio
YouTube channels. Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. Championship
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