August 19, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug welcomes TKO President and COO Mark Shapiro onto the show to talk about the business of sports and the landmark deal UFC has struck with Paramount. Doug reacts to Urban Meyer's take on the Michigan punishment. Doug welcomes NFL analyst John Middlekauff for his weekly visit to discuss the Cowboys, Daniel Jones and the headlines from the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through The Press.
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you'll hear uh I think unbelievable. Ten minutes with Mark Shapiro,
who is the President CEO of TKO. TKO owns and
runs the UFC and the WWE UFC with a huge, huge,
huge new TV deal with CBS and Paramount seven years,
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seven point seven billion, dollars. How did it come to be?
Just stay tuned. You'll find out in about starting about
two minutes. Cubs Brewers taking place right now, right Buyers
got it on in studio. He's watching and of course yesterday,
so right now, it's what top six with two outs
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and the Brewers have runners at first and second. They're
down five to three to the Cubbies. And this is
a day night doubleheader. It's the makeup of last night's
night game on the day night doubleheader. It's a five
game series, which you know, I mean, it's really hard
for the Cubs to try and overcome this gargantuan lead
that the Brewers have, but becomes essentially impossible if they
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don't win the next what four games of the series?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Dan, Yeah, yeah, you kind of need to win the
next floor to have a chance.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah. And then of course, and then I think, super
interesting what happens with Dodgers tonight sweep the Padres and
then lose in the bottom of the ninth to the Rockies.
Have two more against the Rockies before going down to
San Diego take on the Padres yet again. Uh, Jay,
stud what was your what was your was it Instagram?
Or was it a tweet about Manny striking out to
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end the series at the Ravine.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I quoted the great Vin Scully. Vin Scully in these
moments would say something over and over again.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
He would say.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
That one was reduced to the basics. I'll throw as
hard as I can, you swing as hard as you can,
and we'll see who comes out on top.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah. I was listening to the game actually driving up
from San Diego, and then I flipped over because I
was going to listen to Bayer. Bayer had the Sunday off,
so it was Monsey and Carrie Rhodes.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Actually, I've been doing the mornings this summer with Harman
Well mornings for US Monty and Carrie are two to
five Pacific, and Harmon and I are nine to eleven.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
But you go didn't know, Oh, didn't know. Sunday's not
usually my sports radio day. I was driving up, I
was like, man, I want to hear Buyer has to say.
I was like, dang, d oh. So we'll keep an
eye on on on Major League Baseball, the game being
played right now at h at Wrigley, but also the
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game tonight also at Wrigley, and the game tonight in Colorado.
Got some others as well. Of note, John Middlecoff's going
to join us in fifteen minutes. We'll get his thoughts
on football. Course, he was on with Colin today in
studio for the Herd. But I thought this would be
something that you would all enjoy. You know, when you're
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in business long enough, you're going to be drawn to
different people interning leadership roles. My favorite big boss I've
ever had, Smart Shapiro, and it wasn't because we were close.
It wasn't clause he gave me this huge race. He
did give me a couple opportunities, which I will I'm
forever indebted to him for, but it was he's just
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a dynamic person that is willing to take risks and
also when you have a conversation with him like, he's
willing to share. So that's what we did. We sat
down with him. We recorded about twenty minutes, but then
we'll put the entirety of it on the podcast, which
you can hear upcoming at the top of the hour.
Just download podcast our podcast. For every download podcast, we'll
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see if we can throw that interview up on the
YouTube channel. By the way, that's at Doug Gottlieb Show
on YouTube. A YouTube slash at Doug Gottlieb Show on YouTube.
But here's my conversation on Zoom with Mark Shapiro, TKO
President and COO. Okay, so Mark, let's let's start with
UFC as a business model pre dating your agreement with Paramount. Okay,
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you've been on obviously both sides of these deals. When
you looked at it and the pay per view model
with ESPN, how healthy a business was it for UFC?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
You know, it's been cyclical.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
I would say overall, the relationship with the ESPN just
extraordinary and start there. I mean, obviously, ESPN is the
destination for sports fans. It's appointment viewing and there's no
better marketing partner in sports twenty four to seven. They
want to get behind something, they get behind it. You
know it too well, because of course when they don't, you.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Also know that.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
And they they did more for the UFC than any
partner we've ever had. And I would say the fact
that we are mainstream and so strong with young men
and the demos that we have. Of course it has
a lot to do with our fighting stable and Dana
White in the history. But ESPN took us through another level.
So it was great and we knew what we were walking into.
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Doug right, this was an ESPN Plus play that they're
going to use ESPN and ESPN two as a barker
channel to watch the prelimbs, maybe even watch the early
prims prelimbs, and then.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Move you over to ESPN Plus to sign up.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
So we when we started with them, we were in
three million homes and we quickly grew to twenty four million.
And their words, not ours. We were the anchor tenant
of ESPN Plus.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
So it was great.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
But I think over time, over the seven years, a
couple things happened. One is, they just kept raising price
and it got to a point.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Where it was just too much. And we know that
for a fact.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Because the pay per views started slipping, the total number
of buys and the pirrating went to insane levels. I mean,
and Dana, as you know, is now on the board
of Meta. So we've seen unbelievable numbers across Facebook and
our relationship with YouTube.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
And tens of thousands of streams, and that.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Give me, give me a sense, give me some when
you say the pirating okay, because I know what you're
talking about, because I've been to parties. We're like, do
we buy this? Like, no, no, we got a we
got a fire stick. We're in there. What are the
type of numbers that would be pirated?
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Tens of thousands of streams and how many people were
watching each of those streams, We don't even know. It
just got to be too much because it's too expensive.
You're paying eleven ninety nine to get ESPN plus that's
what you have to do monthly, and then to get
the pay per view you're paying eighty dollars. So it
almost becomes the sales prevention departments. And we discussed this
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with ESPN and they had different data, and they just
didn't agree, and they just kept going. They did introduce
some early bird specials if you buy two weeks before
and you get five bucks off, but it was nothing
that was going.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
To solve the crisis.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Now, in their defense, the UFC, while obviously we have
stars Amanda Nunez and John Jones and you know, justin
Gaetgee and a lot of folks along the way, Uswan Kamara,
we didn't have any more of the level of Connor
McGregor or Ron and ROUSI in the later years of
our seven year deal, and they would point to the
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pipeline and so just being fair across the board. Look,
you got to win to become a star. We can't
manufacture it isn't this isn't the WWE, and so there
might be some truth to that. But the fighting itself,
the matches, the competition of the events have never been better,
never been better. And the fact that you have a
lot of Russian and Middle Eastern champions, it is what
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it is.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
You got to beat the best, and our core fans
get that.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
You do want commercial stars, and I think over time
it's very cyclical. It just it rides different waves. When
when GSP left the UFC is, oh my god, they
have no other stars, and then someone else emerges.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
So you just you gotta be patient and you got
to be in it for the long haul.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
If you were on the other side, right, because I
like it. I like in this one too. When you
were at ESPN and had you lost Monday Night football, right, yeah,
because Sunday night when we lost Sunday Night, but you
couldn't lose Monday Night. If you were on the other side,
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what would you have done to prevent you from switching
to Paramount.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I wouldn't let it get away. I mean, let me
just say, Bob Iger is the biggest sports fan of
any executive in the media business. I mean he started
at ABC Sports and he's a massive boxing fan too,
Like he knows the combat sports area.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
He came to our sphere event last year, which.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Was a real spectacle. Look, you're launching ESPN direct to consumer.
I think it launches, you know, in the next couple
of days. Here you're charging twenty nine to ninety nine.
You want to see people either authenticate if they have
cable and satellite already, and if they don't, you want
them to pay twenty nine ninety nine. So you want
all the premier sports. The UFC fan is very, very passionate.
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I mean it's it's it's the fervor. The fan avidity
is insane, right, And forty percent of our audience's women,
So you've got moms buying, and you've got obviously young men,
young women who watch six hour cards. I mean, this
is what you dream about. And there's forty three events.
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So look, it's easy to play money. Morning Quarterback. I
don't know the budgets, I don't know their dollars. They
got a lot of money to spend. They've made big
investments in the NFL, the CFP, the NBA, and you
know what, money doesn't stretch that far and their linear
business is declining, so they had to make some decisions.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
I think the WWE deal is brilliant for them.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
The idea of WrestleMania on ESPN brilliant, and maybe they
just couldn't afford everything, but having UFC, which is a
year round sport, while you're trying to launch D two
C at twenty nine to ninety nine, which would be
well received, versus the one hundred dollars fans are paying
monthly now for ESPN plus to get the paper fights.
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To me, that's something I wouldn't have passed up. But
I don't criticize them. They're an important partner. They're still
the premier destination in sports, and we're going to help
them build this ESPN.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
D to C. The rise of UFC right from when
you were first a young producer at ESPN to now,
right like, the NFL is one hundred year bilt hey, exactly,
the NBA has been one hundred years. Major League Baseball
is over one hundred years to go from where they
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were even in the early two thousands where they were
trying to get to mainstream, to now you're talking about
a premier property on the Tiffany Network. This is a
story that I don't think has ever played out as
such before in sports, is there.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Doug, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
When I was running program, I got from voted to
the head of program, I mean thirty two years old.
In twenty ten, Dana White and the Fertida brothers came pitched,
and they pitched hard on the UFC like I wasn't
sure if I'd get if I said no, if I
might get beat.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Up before they left the room, right, And I didn't
do it. And one of the reasons I do it
wasn't all my decision.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
The mouse Disney wasn't about to put that sport where
it was with blood on the mat on ESPN or
ABC Sports. Now, completely different story. Obviously, it is mainstream.
It is the rise, the evolution, the ascension, the following,
the fan base, the number of fighters around the globe.
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How global it is. I mean you're talking two hundred
and ten countries and territories that the UFC is currently
broadcast in. You have six hundred plus fighters. Right, you
have seventy five different countries of where they hail from,
the fighters. You have fifty different languages that broadcast UFC fights.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
I can't even believe it. I can't believe.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Where it has has gone. You know how it has
come that far. ESPN has been a big part of that.
I mean, they really supercharged it. They put turbo into this.
Fox was important, Spike was important, Every step of the
way was important. But I would tell you ESPN had
had more to do with than anything else. And of
course Dana White and his team and the way they
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got behind it and locally and built these stars, these
stars that won and covered the.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Stars survive COVID too, absolutely survived COVID right and expanded
in COVID when when others had no we had no
live sports.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I tell you he was the guy.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
He was calling Ari and I by the outward and
I'm not going down.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
UFC doesn't go down. We will find a place to
do this. We were on our way to do a
vent at Tachi Wallace, an Indian.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Reservation in California, so we wouldn't miss a month, and
by the way, we needed to because money wise, we
would have been in trouble just at that time, Endeavor,
all of our businesses were shut down like everybody else,
and yet we had this huge staff and expenses and
media rights fees.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
We had to pay an IMG and so we needed to.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
Keep the show going, and he worked out a deal
which would have kept us going in ESPN would have
loved it.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
At the end of the day, it was Newsome.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
And bob Iger that said, hey, too soon, probably insensitive
to what's going on.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
We need you to stand out. So we didn't do
that event.
Speaker 5 (14:14):
We waited a month and then bank Fight Island and
they were ready for its Abu Dhabi the bubble. Newsom
was good with it, Bob Iger was good with it,
and we moved on and that saved the day. To
your point, so many fans sampled it for the first
time and became full time fans.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Amazing. Listen, congrats on getting the deal done. I'm sure
you'll have to do another one and I really really
appreciate your time.
Speaker 4 (14:39):
Great to see it. Congratulations all your success.
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the end of the show. U Urban Meyer was a
national championp head coach at Florida. Jared Meyer's a nation
champion ppaiyer coach, and ohastate or Meyer now works for
US at Fox. He weighed in on Michigan's punishment handed
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down last week by the NCAA quote in December of
twenty eleven, I had to stand in front of a
group of seniors and tell them they're not allowed to
play in a bowl or a championship game in their
final year of college football for something they had nothing
to do with. Meyers said during a tease for a
Wednesday's upcoming episode of the Triple Option podcast, one of
the most difficult things I've ever done. I'm the same
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group went twelve zero unable to play for the National Championship.
The recent NCAA ruling to not punish players that weren't
involved as correct. However, the ruling also proves that the
NCAA as an enforcement arm no longer exists. Okay, so
I love all parts of what Urban Meyers said, but
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I don't know what his like, what is he searching for?
And if it wasn't Michigan, there are tribal would would
it be worth this statement? I don't know, but yet
I do think it's a better way of doing it.
You're not let's not punish the kids of today for
the sins of yesterday. By the way, stop doing this
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with Michigan football and acting like it had any effect
when they won the National Championship. It was the year before.
And anybody who says otherwise is disingenuous. Disingenuous is lying,
lying And oh yeah, by the way, at some point
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we're gonna be honest knowing Oh how State does the
same thing. Maybe not to the ends of Connors Stallions. Fine. Fine,
When Michigan won the national championship, Okay, it was the
year after all of this, and everybody had known about
it even the year before, which would have allowed many
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of those schools to change their science signals the year
before and the year of the won the last championship,
Harbor was suspended a couple of games. This this is
old information then, But we just lie, lie, lie, lie,
because we want to Ohio State football is une wrong. Look,
I know, Dani, you're an Ohio State fan. My dad
was no House State alum. He was an Ohio State fan.
Let's not act like Ohio State hasn't been a dirty
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football program on some level in some form or fashion
of it and yet still been super successful. Were they
dirty to the level of Miami back in the day,
Like no, okay, but there's always a way in which
they were worse than Gray Area. That was the whole
Jim Trust thing right where they're like, oh, they're selling
their gold pants. Yeah, that was a fraction of what
they were doing to accumulate that amount of talent. I
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love what the NCAA did here. Now, I don't know
if it's enough punishment to really hurt Michigan. I think
thirty million dollars is and you get all these people
like Larry Elson's just going to write a check. Show
me when Larry Elson writes the thirty million dollar check,
and maybe I'll stand corrected. The problem is, if Larry
Elson writes the thirty million dollar check, he's not going
to write another check for the year. It is going
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to hurt you. And I believe that instead of this
year's football team being hurt, it's probably this year's and
next year's lacrosse and track and field and tennis and
baseball and the things that don't matter at Michigan, the
women's basketball. They're not going to get any money, but
at least it's better than taking down a banner that
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everybody saw them win. And you can't take away scholarships
now because there's roster limits, not scholarship limits. You can
still fund that from your collective. So this is probably
the best punishment the NCA has come up with in
a long time, in a long time. And it's funny,
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like so many people have been on the NCA for
years for how they're punishing. Now they decide to punish
Michigan in the wallet, which I think is the smartest
way to do it, and there's still people like that.
It just shows the NSA can't win, which you just
can't Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trader. You
saw him all day today on with our guy Colin
cowherd Uh. He's a worldly dude. He's the one and
(19:38):
only John Minocoff and he joins us now on the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Trader. He's hosted three
O podcast and let's start with the Indianapolis Colts, Danny Dimes,
it's the starting job, little cough. What's your reaction?
Speaker 7 (19:53):
Yeah, I think I saw this coming when they signed him. Uh,
you know, you've paid fifteen million dollars for a quarterback
who is much, in theory, a lot more stable than
than the project in which they drafted. Let's face it,
they took a swing for the fences, and I'm all
for doing that, but most times you take swings to
try to hit a Grand Slam, you usually strike out.
(20:14):
And I think Josh Allen really kind of changed the course.
Is why Trey Lance was drafted high. This is why
they took Anthony Richson, Josh Allen. Guys like that are outliers,
and most guys turn out like Anthony Richson or Trey
Lance and they have physical gifts and they can't play
quarterback and listen, I'm not a huge Daniel Jones guy.
I think if you are putting percentage chances on it,
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maybe less than twenty five percent chance that he kind of,
you know, turns into like Alex Smith Harbaugh, Andy Reid
version resurrects his career and saves the Colts. But I
would say a seventy five plus percent chance that he's
just averaged a below and everyone gets fired. In Indianapolis, Jill.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Black guy named starting quarterback of the Browns. That's not
a surprise. I know you watched the Browns play over
the weekend. What you think of Dylan Gabriel, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
I think he just kind of looked like Dylan Gabriel.
I mean, I know he threw the one pick six,
But for the most part, I bet Stefanski and those
guys liked a lot what they saw people. And you know,
your coach, when you recruit or draft a guy, they
mean something to you. And at the end of the
day Dylan Gabriel was drafted when they could have drafted Shador.
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So the Browns GM and the head coach didn't they
tell you who they liked more so like whenever the
depth chart, and I guess they can kind of fudge
it because you don't really have to say if they're
not the backup. But like Dylan Gabriel's ahead of Shador Sanders,
I don't see how anyone wouldn't see that based on
them telling you when they drafted him in the third round.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Okay, so what would you if you could only keep one,
you would keep Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
No, I mean I like Shador Sanders more as as
a prospect. As a player, I didn't even think I
would never have drafted Dylan Gabriel one of those like
excellent college players. I think some people in the league
didn't think you were a lot to be drafted. But
you know, I don't know so fans get Andrew Berry. Honestly,
I felt like they just drafted him. They didn't even
want a quarterback like they were cool with like Flaco
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Kenny Picket. It already made.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
They just they just want it so that nobody said
they had to draft, you Door Sanders, and then the
agent and then the owner came in the fifth rounds like, hey, guys,
Shadoor Sanders, like all time back, all.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Time backfire because now you can't cut your door because
there'd be like a cultural uprising. So you got to
keep four quarterbacks. Now you could argue they're gonna be bad,
who really cares? But that's not You don't really want
to operate your team like that. So now you could argue,
why is Kenny Pickett on scholarship? He's like writing, you know,
his first round draft status from years ago. It's like, oh, yeah,
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we hired this guy from Golden Facts. Well it turns
out his dad was the CEO. Wasn't that you know, impressive,
no difference. This guy went in the first round. Well
awful quarterback draft that year and probably never should have
been a first rounder. So it's like he's more like
a fourth fifth rounder. But somehow that guy just keeps surviving.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
He definitely does. This is the Gottlib Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Matt Stafford back at practice. Is your
concern alleviated now that he's throwing?
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (23:14):
I thought I thought it was a weird situation. And
then McVeigh got did you see the clip with it yesterday?
Got kind of edgy, like, well, Sean, I mean, this
is kind of is a big story, but I get it.
He's probably tired of talking about it, even though they
kind of created it by saying he was going to
practice over the weekend. Now he's back to back days.
You know, like there are a lot of injuries. They're
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like you're recovered from a broken arm or you know,
even a rolled ankle, like you're pretty clear, like okay,
I'm good to go back. I mean, think about what
we see, Like Steve Kerr couldn't coach with a bad
back because you never knew what it was going to
come back. Tiger Woods couldn't play golf, so play an
NFL quarterback. It's definitely just something in the back of
everyone's mind that I can't just view it as like, oh,
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he's just created disc the effort. He's just good to
go now. No one is toughness as elite, but that
is something that you could be maybe seal level tough
that I don't think you could if it if it
does crop back up, that's not really something you can
operate with it, is it No, I don't think so, especially.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
At his age, you know, especially at his age, and
and this is not it didn't just pop back up.
Remember like two years ago, there was talk of him
retiring because of that back and those and.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
Those years he played in Detroit. You know, he's thirty six,
thirty seven years old. Yeah, he'sty years off. Thirty seven
years old.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yep, yep. Bad teams tick years off your life. And
even though he's playing indoors. Now here's here's a question. Okay,
And I don't know if everybody will understand this line
of questioning, but I've talked to some football people and
you are one of them. So let's let's have at it.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
One of the things that people talk about with uh
at the end of Ben Roethlisberger. You know, for example,
Ben Rosberger used to hold the ball so long, take
so many hits, and still make up a great quarterback.
But at the end he didn't want to get hurt.
Tom Brady did not that last year. He did not
want to get hit. He got rid of that ball
really really quickly.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
And once you get to that place where you're not retired,
but you know retirement is coming, right, I just that's
my fear for Rogers, that's my fear for Stafford is
they're going to be a shell of themselves, not just
because their age, but because they're so cognizant of getting hit.
They'll get rid of the ball a half second sooner
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than they ever would previously.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
I've never played the NFL quarterback, but I would imagine
those hits hurt a little more the older you get.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Oh oh, can't you wake it up the next day?
Speaker 7 (25:47):
Yeah, so that that hit. You remember Andrew luck when
he first came in the league, it was like he
was fearless. And then eventually and he got through late twenties,
his body didn't work. Philip Rivers was like that now
because of his arm strength, he kind of had to
be that way.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
You know.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Matt Stafford could always he could truly wait till the
last second because he could zip it in there. And
I just you know, his kids are getting older, He's
got a big family. I did think he started kind
of looking at the world a little bit differently. It's
just no different than anyone in any walk of life.
You're probably a little less reckless the older you get. Financially, personally,
people hang around. No different quarterback. I mean Brady was
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a great example. I mean, no one. His toughness was
pretty elite most of his career, and that last year
in Tampa he's like, I am not getting sacked Rogers
last year. How eye opening was that? I mean he
had so many moments where he's like, Yay, I'm missed
not doing this, and that'll be That's been a defining
attribute to Stafford. I mean, he's kind of been different
because he didn't win for so long, but his game
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was very Farvian, like the good farm also the bad farm,
but then the toughness aspect, and if his body doesn't
cooperate or he starts tucking guessing it, that kind of
changes them as a player a little bit.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Still leave here on Fox Sports Radio, that's the voice
of the one and only John Middlecough Three and Out
is in fact the podcast. Treikman's like, Hey, I don't
think the Cowboys cann slow anybody down without Micah Parsons.
But I mean I don't know if they can slow
anybody down with Michah Parsons. This thing gets done this week,
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doesn't It isn't this the time?
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Yeah? I mean I'm kind of coming to grips with
this might be a weird season for Dallas. This might
go you know, the parallels with Jerry and Al Davis.
This is these next couple of years. You know, you
got Brian Schottenheimer, who This situation for a guy that
the first time head coach is tough for a first
time head coach that most people never thought it was
going to be a head coach. I mean, I just
(27:45):
think this thing could get really chaotic. I mean it
kind of speaks to McCarthy. Last year, Dak got heard
and they were still pretty respectable, right, and I think
they're at a position now where they're an injury away.
I mean, MICHAEH. Parsons. How many guys have we seen
in recent memory that have held out at wide receiver
at defensive line that have low starts to their seasons
(28:08):
because when everyone else's practicing, you see him there in
shorts and a T shirt. Now, granted, I'm sure he's
working out on the side, but that's not the same.
So I think this cowboy situation, like, I think there's
a world where they finished last in the division.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Last in the division? Huh? Are the Giants the Giants?
Speaker 7 (28:28):
I think the Giants defensive line is going to be awesome.
I think, you know, they definitely have some pieces on offense.
I'm not buying into the Jackson Dart hype just yet
the same way you want. Like Brian day Ball won
nine games a couple of years ago with not that
much talent. Like he's a legitimate Like there's not a
GM in the league that would choose Shottenhammer over dayble Hell, Jerry,
(28:49):
I mean, he's just a better coach. So I just
there is a scenario where the Dallas thing and this
happened with the Raiders. You start putting in guys that
have no business being ahead coach. Football is weird because
you get injuries. You know, the ball shaped twenty, so
you get a weird bounce in the game, you end
up losing. I mean, what happens on opening night if
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they just go into Philly and get you know what
this cold cock and just they're just like, what did
they just lose forty to seven? And that back can
just spiral fast on them.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, and if he hasn't practice, he's not gonna be
ready to play or can't play at full amount of snaps.
You don't have me, You can't pressure the pass you
can't press the passer. There's not much you can do
there defensively in the NFL. He's John Middlcoff. He's had
a long day, but you got to check out his
podcast thro and Out on the Volume Podcast Network. John,
You're the best man. Thanks so much for joining this
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. For over
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Speaker 3 (30:33):
Hey, Doug, I'll take it from here. Let me start
that over.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Thank you, Doug.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I'll take it from here, you dog, I'll take it
from here. So something special happened four years ago. And
you know, in this business, we need to celebrate milestones.
I'm not getting any younger, the business is getting more funky.
So I want to celebrate milestones. I want to bring
attention to stuff. And frankly, I was going to do
this tomorrow, but Dan Byer brought has brought to my
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attention that this will be the last time we're together
for a while, so I'd like to do it as
the four of us. The A team is here today,
Sam on the twos and ones, and we got Dan
Byer on the updates. We got Doug Gottlieb four years
ago today I started working on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Four year anniversary. It's been quite a ride, quite right,
since Scott Shapiro and Don Martin took a chance on
a twenty year old vet to steer the Doug Gottlieb
Show into a better place. I've spoken to many media
critics and they have told me that I have indeed
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steered it into a better place. But yeah, four years, Doug.
And one thing I really like is when people try
to contribute to content. You know, I hate being me
and Doug hate being these soul creators on this show.
So Dan Byer helps out. Sam has never brought main
idea in the eighteen months he's been here.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
So on a fly though he's on the fly.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, he's great on the drops, human filibuster, great on
the drops. And you know what, listeners, when listeners contribute.
I love that our listener, Brad in Jacksonville has contributed
something really special here and it sounds like this.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yes he's here in this.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
And not blue.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
He's a semi regulumer on the show.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
His name is Jasus.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
Now he's tweeting some mood.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
And he's zero.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
God holds on his faces in the place.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
His name is Jason.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Thank you Brad and Jacksonville.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
That will go on the permanent file list. And four
year anniversary, guys.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Happy anniversary there, Jay Stu.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
What is four years? What is that? Is it cotton?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I'm laughing because potted plant. My dad would get my
mom a tracksuit and a potted plant for like everyday,
and she didn't wear tracksuits and potted plants. She does
have a lot of in the back, but they weren't
the ones that I don't know, it was a lot. Anyway,
Happy anniversary. I love having you. And as you know,
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and and I think people learn, is like it's just
everything about you do with my coaching staff change this year.
There's no disrespect to the people who are not coaching
here any longer. Like everybody, every one of those guys
that are not here anymore got a raise. But this
is gonna help me more and help my team more.
And the same thing happened four years ago when you
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joined this is we got better every day because you
love this. Right, you can only do sports radio every
day if you actually love it and if you love
content and you think you find interesting things in what
can be mundane. And yeah, so there you go. Let's
get to dar. Let's get Dambar, get the press.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
The press.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Did you guys also see fruit and flowers? As the
four year's that's what I'm seeing. Fruit and flowers for
your anniversary. That's the gift. All right, let's get into
some job battles first. We'll start in the NFL Daniel
Jones beating out Anthony Richardson for the cult starting gig today.
This was head coach Sheane steich In on Richardson's role
(34:48):
after being the starter of the last two years. Ar
was great.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
He knows that he still needs to develop and learn,
and he knows that he's one play away.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
One play away from being back in there for the
Adanapolis Colts.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
So again, every guy here, the challenge to being the
backup is all you got to do is get the
starter ready. But I do wonder how many of those
guys if you could do the Remember Mel Gibson what
women want? Where he can read women's minds, he can
hear women's minds talking. You guys, remember that movie? Have
you seen it?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I didn't see it, but I know what you're talking movie.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Can you imagine if you could look inside the backup
quarterbacks minds and like, oh he's hurt, I'm ready, he's okay,
timm it, he's okay. You know where is that where
they're like allright, hey baby, hey, let's go. That's that's
You're up. You're good, Okay, you're good, you keep going.
But in their brain they're like, dang it, I want
to end.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I was surprised. I thought that Richardson would be the starter.
So Shane Steichen has a different opinion. I do find
it interesting in the discourse that I'm seeing on social
media because it's starting to turn towards again a race
sort of thing at times when no, no, I know, surprising.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Social media has made a decision about football into race.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Surprise. Yes, I'm stunned. It's crazy. No one is just
talking about Anthony Richardson can't stay on the football field
like for some reasons to.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Throw the football to the right team accurately.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
And part of the reason why he hasn't developed is
because he can't stay on the football field.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
He'd love to use him as a runner, but the
problem with using him his runner is he's like, he can't.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Stay on the football field.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Did I mention that he can't stay on the football
field very long?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yes, okay, it's crazy, but the Colts made their decision.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Wait are you telling me somebody made this into something racial?
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
And not on a surprise, surprise surprise, Saint said. Coach
Kellen Moore has not made a decision on whether it'll
be Spencer Rattler or Tyler Shook to be their starting quarterback.
They've got one more preseason game coming up against the
Broncos on Saturday. Notre Dame has tabbed redshirt freshman CJ. Carr,
the grandson of Lloyd Carr, and the team starting quarterback
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for their opener against Miami on Sunday, August thirty.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
First Cars grandsons the quarterback for Notre Day.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yes, how about that would.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Be like then transferred to like Ohio State too. It's
just like.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Then a grad season at Michigan State, just doing all
of the Wolverine rivals. Former number one overall pick John
Wall announced his retirement from the NBA after eleven seasons
that included five All Star appearances.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
You know, I learned something from John Mall. You know
what that is?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
How to Dougie?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
You did? Yes, that is true. I think that's one
of the things that he's most known for. The the's
fourth all time on the Wizards scoring all time scoring list.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Who knew? Now, you know, taught me how to doug
Hee taught me, taught me how to Dougie, taught me
how to doug He taught me, taught me how to Dougie.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Cubs just beat the Brewer six'. Four Sophie cunningham done
for the year for the fever because of a knee.
Injury and that's the press.
Speaker 1 (37:55):
World now you get out of there and.
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you'll hear uh I think unbelievable. Ten minutes with Mark Shapiro,
who is the President CEO of TKO. TKO owns and
runs the UFC and the WWE UFC with a huge, huge,
huge new TV deal with CBS and Paramount seven years,
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seven point seven billion, dollars. How did it come to be?
Just stay tuned. You'll find out in about starting about
two minutes. Cubs Brewers taking place right now, right Buyers
got it on in studio. He's watching and of course yesterday,
so right now, it's what top six with two outs
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and the Brewers have runners at first and second. They're
down five to three to the Cubbies. And this is
a day night doubleheader. It's the makeup of last night's
night game on the day night doubleheader. It's a five
game series, which you know, I mean, it's really hard
for the Cubs to try and overcome this gargantuan lead
that the Brewers have, but becomes essentially impossible if they
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don't win the next what four games of the series?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
Dan, Yeah, yeah, you kind of need to win the
next floor to have a chance.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Yeah. And then of course, and then I think, super
interesting what happens with Dodgers tonight sweep the Padres and
then lose in the bottom of the ninth to the Rockies.
Have two more against the Rockies before going down to
San Diego take on the Padres yet again. Uh, Jay,
stud what was your what was your was it Instagram?
Or was it a tweet about Manny striking out to
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end the series at the Ravine.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
I quoted the great Vin Scully. Vin Scully in these
moments would say something over and over again.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
He would say.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
That one was reduced to the basics. I'll throw as
hard as I can, you swing as hard as you can,
and we'll see who comes out on top.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah. I was listening to the game actually driving up
from San Diego, and then I flipped over because I
was going to listen to Bayer. Bayer had the Sunday off,
so it was Monsey and Carrie Rhodes.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Actually, I've been doing the mornings this summer with Harman
Well mornings for US Monty and Carrie are two to
five Pacific, and Harmon and I are nine to eleven.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
But you go didn't know, Oh, didn't know. Sunday's not
usually my sports radio day. I was driving up, I
was like, man, I want to hear Buyer has to say.
I was like, dang, d oh. So we'll keep an
eye on on on Major League Baseball, the game being
played right now at h at Wrigley, but also the
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game tonight also at Wrigley, and the game tonight in Colorado.
Got some others as well. Of note, John Middlecoff's going
to join us in fifteen minutes. We'll get his thoughts
on football. Course, he was on with Colin today in
studio for the Herd. But I thought this would be
something that you would all enjoy. You know, when you're
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in business long enough, you're going to be drawn to
different people interning leadership roles. My favorite big boss I've
ever had, Smart Shapiro, and it wasn't because we were close.
It wasn't clause he gave me this huge race. He
did give me a couple opportunities, which I will I'm
forever indebted to him for, but it was he's just
(04:04):
a dynamic person that is willing to take risks and
also when you have a conversation with him like, he's
willing to share. So that's what we did. We sat
down with him. We recorded about twenty minutes, but then
we'll put the entirety of it on the podcast, which
you can hear upcoming at the top of the hour.
Just download podcast our podcast. For every download podcast, we'll
(04:26):
see if we can throw that interview up on the
YouTube channel. By the way, that's at Doug Gottlieb Show
on YouTube. A YouTube slash at Doug Gottlieb Show on YouTube.
But here's my conversation on Zoom with Mark Shapiro, TKO
President and COO. Okay, so Mark, let's let's start with
UFC as a business model pre dating your agreement with Paramount. Okay,
(04:53):
you've been on obviously both sides of these deals. When
you looked at it and the pay per view model
with ESPN, how healthy a business was it for UFC?
Speaker 4 (05:06):
You know, it's been cyclical.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
I would say overall, the relationship with the ESPN just
extraordinary and start there. I mean, obviously, ESPN is the
destination for sports fans. It's appointment viewing and there's no
better marketing partner in sports twenty four to seven. They
want to get behind something, they get behind it. You
know it too well, because of course when they don't, you.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
Also know that.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
And they they did more for the UFC than any
partner we've ever had. And I would say the fact
that we are mainstream and so strong with young men
and the demos that we have. Of course it has
a lot to do with our fighting stable and Dana
White in the history. But ESPN took us through another level.
So it was great and we knew what we were walking into.
(05:50):
Doug right, this was an ESPN Plus play that they're
going to use ESPN and ESPN two as a barker
channel to watch the prelimbs, maybe even watch the early
prims prelimbs, and then.
Speaker 4 (06:03):
Move you over to ESPN Plus to sign up.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
So we when we started with them, we were in
three million homes and we quickly grew to twenty four million.
And their words, not ours. We were the anchor tenant
of ESPN Plus.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
So it was great.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
But I think over time, over the seven years, a
couple things happened. One is, they just kept raising price
and it got to a point.
Speaker 4 (06:27):
Where it was just too much. And we know that
for a fact.
Speaker 5 (06:30):
Because the pay per views started slipping, the total number
of buys and the pirrating went to insane levels. I mean,
and Dana, as you know, is now on the board
of Meta. So we've seen unbelievable numbers across Facebook and
our relationship with YouTube.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
And tens of thousands of streams, and that.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
Give me, give me a sense, give me some when
you say the pirating okay, because I know what you're
talking about, because I've been to parties. We're like, do
we buy this? Like, no, no, we got a we
got a fire stick. We're in there. What are the
type of numbers that would be pirated?
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Tens of thousands of streams and how many people were
watching each of those streams, We don't even know. It
just got to be too much because it's too expensive.
You're paying eleven ninety nine to get ESPN plus that's
what you have to do monthly, and then to get
the pay per view you're paying eighty dollars. So it
almost becomes the sales prevention departments. And we discussed this
(07:24):
with ESPN and they had different data, and they just
didn't agree, and they just kept going. They did introduce
some early bird specials if you buy two weeks before
and you get five bucks off, but it was nothing
that was going.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
To solve the crisis.
Speaker 5 (07:37):
Now, in their defense, the UFC, while obviously we have
stars Amanda Nunez and John Jones and you know, justin
Gaetgee and a lot of folks along the way, Uswan Kamara,
we didn't have any more of the level of Connor
McGregor or Ron and ROUSI in the later years of
our seven year deal, and they would point to the
(07:59):
pipeline and so just being fair across the board. Look,
you got to win to become a star. We can't
manufacture it isn't this isn't the WWE, and so there
might be some truth to that. But the fighting itself,
the matches, the competition of the events have never been better,
never been better. And the fact that you have a
lot of Russian and Middle Eastern champions, it is what
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it is.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
You got to beat the best, and our core fans
get that.
Speaker 5 (08:24):
You do want commercial stars, and I think over time
it's very cyclical. It just it rides different waves. When
when GSP left the UFC is, oh my god, they
have no other stars, and then someone else emerges.
Speaker 4 (08:35):
So you just you gotta be patient and you got
to be in it for the long haul.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
If you were on the other side, right, because I
like it. I like in this one too. When you
were at ESPN and had you lost Monday Night football, right, yeah,
because Sunday night when we lost Sunday Night, but you
couldn't lose Monday Night. If you were on the other side,
(09:01):
what would you have done to prevent you from switching
to Paramount.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
I wouldn't let it get away. I mean, let me
just say, Bob Iger is the biggest sports fan of
any executive in the media business. I mean he started
at ABC Sports and he's a massive boxing fan too,
Like he knows the combat sports area.
Speaker 4 (09:20):
He came to our sphere event last year, which.
Speaker 5 (09:23):
Was a real spectacle. Look, you're launching ESPN direct to consumer.
I think it launches, you know, in the next couple
of days. Here you're charging twenty nine to ninety nine.
You want to see people either authenticate if they have
cable and satellite already, and if they don't, you want
them to pay twenty nine ninety nine. So you want
all the premier sports. The UFC fan is very, very passionate.
(09:47):
I mean it's it's it's the fervor. The fan avidity
is insane, right, And forty percent of our audience's women,
So you've got moms buying, and you've got obviously young men,
young women who watch six hour cards. I mean, this
is what you dream about. And there's forty three events.
(10:07):
So look, it's easy to play money. Morning Quarterback. I
don't know the budgets, I don't know their dollars. They
got a lot of money to spend. They've made big
investments in the NFL, the CFP, the NBA, and you
know what, money doesn't stretch that far and their linear
business is declining, so they had to make some decisions.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
I think the WWE deal is brilliant for them.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
The idea of WrestleMania on ESPN brilliant, and maybe they
just couldn't afford everything, but having UFC, which is a
year round sport, while you're trying to launch D two
C at twenty nine to ninety nine, which would be
well received, versus the one hundred dollars fans are paying
monthly now for ESPN plus to get the paper fights.
(10:47):
To me, that's something I wouldn't have passed up. But
I don't criticize them. They're an important partner. They're still
the premier destination in sports, and we're going to help
them build this ESPN.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
D to C. The rise of UFC right from when
you were first a young producer at ESPN to now,
right like, the NFL is one hundred year bilt hey, exactly,
the NBA has been one hundred years. Major League Baseball
is over one hundred years to go from where they
(11:18):
were even in the early two thousands where they were
trying to get to mainstream, to now you're talking about
a premier property on the Tiffany Network. This is a
story that I don't think has ever played out as
such before in sports, is there.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Doug, I'll tell you this.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
When I was running program, I got from voted to
the head of program, I mean thirty two years old.
In twenty ten, Dana White and the Fertida brothers came pitched,
and they pitched hard on the UFC like I wasn't
sure if I'd get if I said no, if I
might get beat.
Speaker 4 (11:54):
Up before they left the room, right, And I didn't
do it. And one of the reasons I do it
wasn't all my decision.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
The mouse Disney wasn't about to put that sport where
it was with blood on the mat on ESPN or
ABC Sports. Now, completely different story. Obviously, it is mainstream.
It is the rise, the evolution, the ascension, the following,
the fan base, the number of fighters around the globe.
(12:24):
How global it is. I mean you're talking two hundred
and ten countries and territories that the UFC is currently
broadcast in. You have six hundred plus fighters. Right, you
have seventy five different countries of where they hail from,
the fighters. You have fifty different languages that broadcast UFC fights.
Speaker 4 (12:46):
I can't even believe it. I can't believe.
Speaker 5 (12:49):
Where it has has gone. You know how it has
come that far. ESPN has been a big part of that.
I mean, they really supercharged it. They put turbo into this.
Fox was important, Spike was important, Every step of the
way was important. But I would tell you ESPN had
had more to do with than anything else. And of
course Dana White and his team and the way they
(13:12):
got behind it and locally and built these stars, these
stars that won and covered the.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
Stars survive COVID too, absolutely survived COVID right and expanded
in COVID when when others had no we had no
live sports.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
I tell you he was the guy.
Speaker 5 (13:26):
He was calling Ari and I by the outward and
I'm not going down.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
UFC doesn't go down. We will find a place to
do this. We were on our way to do a
vent at Tachi Wallace, an Indian.
Speaker 5 (13:38):
Reservation in California, so we wouldn't miss a month, and
by the way, we needed to because money wise, we
would have been in trouble just at that time, Endeavor,
all of our businesses were shut down like everybody else,
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At the end of the day, it was Newsome.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
And bob Iger that said, hey, too soon, probably insensitive
to what's going on.
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We need you to stand out. So we didn't do
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was good with it, Bob Iger was good with it,
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your point, so many fans sampled it for the first
time and became full time fans.
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you'll have to do another one and I really really
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national championp head coach at Florida. Jared Meyer's a nation
champion ppaiyer coach, and ohastate or Meyer now works for
US at Fox. He weighed in on Michigan's punishment handed
(15:39):
down last week by the NCAA quote in December of
twenty eleven, I had to stand in front of a
group of seniors and tell them they're not allowed to
play in a bowl or a championship game in their
final year of college football for something they had nothing
to do with. Meyers said during a tease for a
Wednesday's upcoming episode of the Triple Option podcast, one of
the most difficult things I've ever done. I'm the same
(16:00):
group went twelve zero unable to play for the National Championship.
The recent NCAA ruling to not punish players that weren't
involved as correct. However, the ruling also proves that the
NCAA as an enforcement arm no longer exists. Okay, so
I love all parts of what Urban Meyers said, but
(16:21):
I don't know what his like, what is he searching for?
And if it wasn't Michigan, there are tribal would would
it be worth this statement? I don't know, but yet
I do think it's a better way of doing it.
You're not let's not punish the kids of today for
the sins of yesterday. By the way, stop doing this
(16:42):
with Michigan football and acting like it had any effect
when they won the National Championship. It was the year before.
And anybody who says otherwise is disingenuous. Disingenuous is lying,
lying And oh yeah, by the way, at some point
(17:03):
we're gonna be honest knowing Oh how State does the
same thing. Maybe not to the ends of Connors Stallions. Fine. Fine,
When Michigan won the national championship, Okay, it was the
year after all of this, and everybody had known about
it even the year before, which would have allowed many
(17:25):
of those schools to change their science signals the year
before and the year of the won the last championship,
Harbor was suspended a couple of games. This this is
old information then, But we just lie, lie, lie, lie,
because we want to Ohio State football is une wrong. Look,
I know, Dani, you're an Ohio State fan. My dad
was no House State alum. He was an Ohio State fan.
Let's not act like Ohio State hasn't been a dirty
(17:46):
football program on some level in some form or fashion
of it and yet still been super successful. Were they
dirty to the level of Miami back in the day,
Like no, okay, but there's always a way in which
they were worse than Gray Area. That was the whole
Jim Trust thing right where they're like, oh, they're selling
their gold pants. Yeah, that was a fraction of what
they were doing to accumulate that amount of talent. I
(18:10):
love what the NCAA did here. Now, I don't know
if it's enough punishment to really hurt Michigan. I think
thirty million dollars is and you get all these people
like Larry Elson's just going to write a check. Show
me when Larry Elson writes the thirty million dollar check,
and maybe I'll stand corrected. The problem is, if Larry
Elson writes the thirty million dollar check, he's not going
to write another check for the year. It is going
(18:31):
to hurt you. And I believe that instead of this
year's football team being hurt, it's probably this year's and
next year's lacrosse and track and field and tennis and
baseball and the things that don't matter at Michigan, the
women's basketball. They're not going to get any money, but
at least it's better than taking down a banner that
(18:53):
everybody saw them win. And you can't take away scholarships
now because there's roster limits, not scholarship limits. You can
still fund that from your collective. So this is probably
the best punishment the NCA has come up with in
a long time, in a long time. And it's funny,
(19:15):
like so many people have been on the NCA for
years for how they're punishing. Now they decide to punish
Michigan in the wallet, which I think is the smartest
way to do it, and there's still people like that.
It just shows the NSA can't win, which you just
can't Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Trader. You
saw him all day today on with our guy Colin
cowherd Uh. He's a worldly dude. He's the one and
(19:38):
only John Minocoff and he joins us now on the
Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Trader. He's hosted three
O podcast and let's start with the Indianapolis Colts, Danny Dimes,
it's the starting job, little cough. What's your reaction?
Speaker 7 (19:53):
Yeah, I think I saw this coming when they signed him. Uh,
you know, you've paid fifteen million dollars for a quarterback
who is much, in theory, a lot more stable than
than the project in which they drafted. Let's face it,
they took a swing for the fences, and I'm all
for doing that, but most times you take swings to
try to hit a Grand Slam, you usually strike out.
(20:14):
And I think Josh Allen really kind of changed the course.
Is why Trey Lance was drafted high. This is why
they took Anthony Richson, Josh Allen. Guys like that are outliers,
and most guys turn out like Anthony Richson or Trey
Lance and they have physical gifts and they can't play
quarterback and listen, I'm not a huge Daniel Jones guy.
I think if you are putting percentage chances on it,
(20:36):
maybe less than twenty five percent chance that he kind of,
you know, turns into like Alex Smith Harbaugh, Andy Reid
version resurrects his career and saves the Colts. But I
would say a seventy five plus percent chance that he's
just averaged a below and everyone gets fired. In Indianapolis, Jill.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
Black guy named starting quarterback of the Browns. That's not
a surprise. I know you watched the Browns play over
the weekend. What you think of Dylan Gabriel, Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 7 (21:01):
I think he just kind of looked like Dylan Gabriel.
I mean, I know he threw the one pick six,
But for the most part, I bet Stefanski and those
guys liked a lot what they saw people. And you know,
your coach, when you recruit or draft a guy, they
mean something to you. And at the end of the
day Dylan Gabriel was drafted when they could have drafted Shador.
(21:22):
So the Browns GM and the head coach didn't they
tell you who they liked more so like whenever the
depth chart, and I guess they can kind of fudge
it because you don't really have to say if they're
not the backup. But like Dylan Gabriel's ahead of Shador Sanders,
I don't see how anyone wouldn't see that based on
them telling you when they drafted him in the third round.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
Okay, so what would you if you could only keep one,
you would keep Dylan Gabriel.
Speaker 7 (21:50):
No, I mean I like Shador Sanders more as as
a prospect. As a player, I didn't even think I
would never have drafted Dylan Gabriel one of those like
excellent college players. I think some people in the league
didn't think you were a lot to be drafted. But
you know, I don't know so fans get Andrew Berry. Honestly,
I felt like they just drafted him. They didn't even
want a quarterback like they were cool with like Flaco
(22:10):
Kenny Picket. It already made.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
They just they just want it so that nobody said
they had to draft, you Door Sanders, and then the
agent and then the owner came in the fifth rounds like, hey, guys,
Shadoor Sanders, like all time back, all.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Time backfire because now you can't cut your door because
there'd be like a cultural uprising. So you got to
keep four quarterbacks. Now you could argue they're gonna be bad,
who really cares? But that's not You don't really want
to operate your team like that. So now you could argue,
why is Kenny Pickett on scholarship? He's like writing, you know,
his first round draft status from years ago. It's like, oh, yeah,
(22:46):
we hired this guy from Golden Facts. Well it turns
out his dad was the CEO. Wasn't that you know, impressive,
no difference. This guy went in the first round. Well
awful quarterback draft that year and probably never should have
been a first rounder. So it's like he's more like
a fourth fifth rounder. But somehow that guy just keeps surviving.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
He definitely does. This is the Gottlib Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Matt Stafford back at practice. Is your
concern alleviated now that he's throwing?
Speaker 5 (23:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (23:14):
I thought I thought it was a weird situation. And
then McVeigh got did you see the clip with it yesterday?
Got kind of edgy, like, well, Sean, I mean, this
is kind of is a big story, but I get it.
He's probably tired of talking about it, even though they
kind of created it by saying he was going to
practice over the weekend. Now he's back to back days.
You know, like there are a lot of injuries. They're
(23:35):
like you're recovered from a broken arm or you know,
even a rolled ankle, like you're pretty clear, like okay,
I'm good to go back. I mean, think about what
we see, Like Steve Kerr couldn't coach with a bad
back because you never knew what it was going to
come back. Tiger Woods couldn't play golf, so play an
NFL quarterback. It's definitely just something in the back of
everyone's mind that I can't just view it as like, oh,
(23:58):
he's just created disc the effort. He's just good to
go now. No one is toughness as elite, but that
is something that you could be maybe seal level tough
that I don't think you could if it if it
does crop back up, that's not really something you can
operate with it, is it No, I don't think so, especially.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
At his age, you know, especially at his age, and
and this is not it didn't just pop back up.
Remember like two years ago, there was talk of him
retiring because of that back and those and.
Speaker 7 (24:29):
Those years he played in Detroit. You know, he's thirty six,
thirty seven years old. Yeah, he'sty years off. Thirty seven
years old.
Speaker 1 (24:35):
Yep, yep. Bad teams tick years off your life. And
even though he's playing indoors. Now here's here's a question. Okay,
And I don't know if everybody will understand this line
of questioning, but I've talked to some football people and
you are one of them. So let's let's have at it.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
You know.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
One of the things that people talk about with uh
at the end of Ben Roethlisberger. You know, for example,
Ben Rosberger used to hold the ball so long, take
so many hits, and still make up a great quarterback.
But at the end he didn't want to get hurt.
Tom Brady did not that last year. He did not
want to get hit. He got rid of that ball
really really quickly.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
You know.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
And once you get to that place where you're not retired,
but you know retirement is coming, right, I just that's
my fear for Rogers, that's my fear for Stafford is
they're going to be a shell of themselves, not just
because their age, but because they're so cognizant of getting hit.
They'll get rid of the ball a half second sooner
(25:37):
than they ever would previously.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
I've never played the NFL quarterback, but I would imagine
those hits hurt a little more the older you get.
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Oh oh, can't you wake it up the next day?
Speaker 7 (25:47):
Yeah, so that that hit. You remember Andrew luck when
he first came in the league, it was like he
was fearless. And then eventually and he got through late twenties,
his body didn't work. Philip Rivers was like that now
because of his arm strength, he kind of had to
be that way.
Speaker 6 (26:02):
You know.
Speaker 7 (26:02):
Matt Stafford could always he could truly wait till the
last second because he could zip it in there. And
I just you know, his kids are getting older, He's
got a big family. I did think he started kind
of looking at the world a little bit differently. It's
just no different than anyone in any walk of life.
You're probably a little less reckless the older you get. Financially, personally,
people hang around. No different quarterback. I mean Brady was
(26:25):
a great example. I mean, no one. His toughness was
pretty elite most of his career, and that last year
in Tampa he's like, I am not getting sacked Rogers
last year. How eye opening was that? I mean he
had so many moments where he's like, Yay, I'm missed
not doing this, and that'll be That's been a defining
attribute to Stafford. I mean, he's kind of been different
because he didn't win for so long, but his game
(26:46):
was very Farvian, like the good farm also the bad farm,
but then the toughness aspect, and if his body doesn't
cooperate or he starts tucking guessing it, that kind of
changes them as a player a little bit.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
Still leave here on Fox Sports Radio, that's the voice
of the one and only John Middlecough Three and Out
is in fact the podcast. Treikman's like, Hey, I don't
think the Cowboys cann slow anybody down without Micah Parsons.
But I mean I don't know if they can slow
anybody down with Michah Parsons. This thing gets done this week,
(27:22):
doesn't It isn't this the time?
Speaker 7 (27:24):
Yeah? I mean I'm kind of coming to grips with
this might be a weird season for Dallas. This might
go you know, the parallels with Jerry and Al Davis.
This is these next couple of years. You know, you
got Brian Schottenheimer, who This situation for a guy that
the first time head coach is tough for a first
time head coach that most people never thought it was
going to be a head coach. I mean, I just
(27:45):
think this thing could get really chaotic. I mean it
kind of speaks to McCarthy. Last year, Dak got heard
and they were still pretty respectable, right, and I think
they're at a position now where they're an injury away.
I mean, MICHAEH. Parsons. How many guys have we seen
in recent memory that have held out at wide receiver
at defensive line that have low starts to their seasons
(28:08):
because when everyone else's practicing, you see him there in
shorts and a T shirt. Now, granted, I'm sure he's
working out on the side, but that's not the same.
So I think this cowboy situation, like, I think there's
a world where they finished last in the division.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Last in the division? Huh? Are the Giants the Giants?
Speaker 7 (28:28):
I think the Giants defensive line is going to be awesome.
I think, you know, they definitely have some pieces on offense.
I'm not buying into the Jackson Dart hype just yet
the same way you want. Like Brian day Ball won
nine games a couple of years ago with not that
much talent. Like he's a legitimate Like there's not a
GM in the league that would choose Shottenhammer over dayble Hell, Jerry,
(28:49):
I mean, he's just a better coach. So I just
there is a scenario where the Dallas thing and this
happened with the Raiders. You start putting in guys that
have no business being ahead coach. Football is weird because
you get injuries. You know, the ball shaped twenty, so
you get a weird bounce in the game, you end
up losing. I mean, what happens on opening night if
(29:09):
they just go into Philly and get you know what
this cold cock and just they're just like, what did
they just lose forty to seven? And that back can
just spiral fast on them.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
Yeah, and if he hasn't practice, he's not gonna be
ready to play or can't play at full amount of snaps.
You don't have me, You can't pressure the pass you
can't press the passer. There's not much you can do
there defensively in the NFL. He's John Middlcoff. He's had
a long day, but you got to check out his
podcast thro and Out on the Volume Podcast Network. John,
You're the best man. Thanks so much for joining this
Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. For over
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Speaker 3 (30:33):
Hey, Doug, I'll take it from here. Let me start
that over.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Thank you, Doug.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
I'll take it from here, you dog, I'll take it
from here. So something special happened four years ago. And
you know, in this business, we need to celebrate milestones.
I'm not getting any younger, the business is getting more funky.
So I want to celebrate milestones. I want to bring
attention to stuff. And frankly, I was going to do
this tomorrow, but Dan Byer brought has brought to my
(30:58):
attention that this will be the last time we're together
for a while, so I'd like to do it as
the four of us. The A team is here today,
Sam on the twos and ones, and we got Dan
Byer on the updates. We got Doug Gottlieb four years
ago today I started working on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Speaker 5 (31:17):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
Four year anniversary. It's been quite a ride, quite right,
since Scott Shapiro and Don Martin took a chance on
a twenty year old vet to steer the Doug Gottlieb
Show into a better place. I've spoken to many media
critics and they have told me that I have indeed
(31:40):
steered it into a better place. But yeah, four years, Doug.
And one thing I really like is when people try
to contribute to content. You know, I hate being me
and Doug hate being these soul creators on this show.
So Dan Byer helps out. Sam has never brought main
idea in the eighteen months he's been here.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
So on a fly though he's on the fly.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
Yeah, he's great on the drops, human filibuster, great on
the drops. And you know what, listeners, when listeners contribute.
I love that our listener, Brad in Jacksonville has contributed
something really special here and it sounds like this.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yes he's here in this.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
And not blue.
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He's a semi regulumer on the show.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
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Speaker 2 (32:41):
Now he's tweeting some mood.
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God holds on his faces in the place.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
His name is Jason.
Speaker 3 (32:55):
Thank you Brad and Jacksonville.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (32:57):
That will go on the permanent file list. And four
year anniversary, guys.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Happy anniversary there, Jay Stu.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
What is four years? What is that? Is it cotton?
Speaker 1 (33:17):
I'm laughing because potted plant. My dad would get my
mom a tracksuit and a potted plant for like everyday,
and she didn't wear tracksuits and potted plants. She does
have a lot of in the back, but they weren't
the ones that I don't know, it was a lot. Anyway,
Happy anniversary. I love having you. And as you know,
(33:37):
and and I think people learn, is like it's just
everything about you do with my coaching staff change this year.
There's no disrespect to the people who are not coaching
here any longer. Like everybody, every one of those guys
that are not here anymore got a raise. But this
is gonna help me more and help my team more.
And the same thing happened four years ago when you
(33:59):
joined this is we got better every day because you
love this. Right, you can only do sports radio every
day if you actually love it and if you love
content and you think you find interesting things in what
can be mundane. And yeah, so there you go. Let's
get to dar. Let's get Dambar, get the press.
Speaker 6 (34:23):
The press.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
Did you guys also see fruit and flowers? As the
four year's that's what I'm seeing. Fruit and flowers for
your anniversary. That's the gift. All right, let's get into
some job battles first. We'll start in the NFL Daniel
Jones beating out Anthony Richardson for the cult starting gig today.
This was head coach Sheane steich In on Richardson's role
(34:48):
after being the starter of the last two years. Ar
was great.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
He knows that he still needs to develop and learn,
and he knows that he's one play away.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
One play away from being back in there for the
Adanapolis Colts.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
So again, every guy here, the challenge to being the
backup is all you got to do is get the
starter ready. But I do wonder how many of those
guys if you could do the Remember Mel Gibson what
women want? Where he can read women's minds, he can
hear women's minds talking. You guys, remember that movie? Have
you seen it?
Speaker 4 (35:23):
No?
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I didn't see it, but I know what you're talking movie.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Can you imagine if you could look inside the backup
quarterbacks minds and like, oh he's hurt, I'm ready, he's okay,
timm it, he's okay. You know where is that where
they're like allright, hey baby, hey, let's go. That's that's
You're up. You're good, Okay, you're good, you keep going.
But in their brain they're like, dang it, I want
to end.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I was surprised. I thought that Richardson would be the starter.
So Shane Steichen has a different opinion. I do find
it interesting in the discourse that I'm seeing on social
media because it's starting to turn towards again a race
sort of thing at times when no, no, I know, surprising.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Social media has made a decision about football into race.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Surprise. Yes, I'm stunned. It's crazy. No one is just
talking about Anthony Richardson can't stay on the football field
like for some reasons to.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
Throw the football to the right team accurately.
Speaker 2 (36:19):
And part of the reason why he hasn't developed is
because he can't stay on the football field.
Speaker 1 (36:24):
He'd love to use him as a runner, but the
problem with using him his runner is he's like, he can't.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
Stay on the football field.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
Did I mention that he can't stay on the football
field very long?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yes, okay, it's crazy, but the Colts made their decision.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
Wait are you telling me somebody made this into something racial?
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Right?
Speaker 2 (36:40):
And not on a surprise, surprise surprise, Saint said. Coach
Kellen Moore has not made a decision on whether it'll
be Spencer Rattler or Tyler Shook to be their starting quarterback.
They've got one more preseason game coming up against the
Broncos on Saturday. Notre Dame has tabbed redshirt freshman CJ. Carr,
the grandson of Lloyd Carr, and the team starting quarterback
(37:01):
for their opener against Miami on Sunday, August thirty.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
First Cars grandsons the quarterback for Notre Day.
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yes, how about that would.
Speaker 1 (37:08):
Be like then transferred to like Ohio State too. It's
just like.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Then a grad season at Michigan State, just doing all
of the Wolverine rivals. Former number one overall pick John
Wall announced his retirement from the NBA after eleven seasons
that included five All Star appearances.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
You know, I learned something from John Mall. You know
what that is?
Speaker 2 (37:29):
What's that?
Speaker 1 (37:30):
How to Dougie?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
You did? Yes, that is true. I think that's one
of the things that he's most known for. The the's
fourth all time on the Wizards scoring all time scoring list.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
Who knew? Now, you know, taught me how to doug
Hee taught me, taught me how to Dougie, taught me
how to doug He taught me, taught me how to Dougie.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
Cubs just beat the Brewer six'. Four Sophie cunningham done
for the year for the fever because of a knee.
Injury and that's the press.
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Football’s funniest family duo — Jason Kelce of the Philadelphia Eagles and Travis Kelce of the Kansas City Chiefs — team up to provide next-level access to life in the league as it unfolds. The two brothers and Super Bowl champions drop weekly insights about the weekly slate of games and share their INSIDE perspectives on trending NFL news and sports headlines. They also endlessly rag on each other as brothers do, chat the latest in pop culture and welcome some very popular and well-known friends to chat with them. Check out new episodes every Wednesday. Follow New Heights on the Wondery App, YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts. You can listen to new episodes early and ad-free, and get exclusive content on Wondery+. Join Wondery+ in the Wondery App, Apple Podcasts or Spotify. And join our new membership for a unique fan experience by going to the New Heights YouTube channel now!