May 13, 2025 • 36 mins
Doug reacts to the breaking news that Major League Baseball has lifted the ban on Pete Rose, making him eligible for the Hall of Fame. Dan shares his Beyer's Remorse. Former NBA champion and current NBA analyst Antonio Daniels joins Doug to talk about the Tatum injury, the NBA draft lottery and all of the headlines around the NBA. Plus, Dan takes Doug through "The Press".
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Today's Tuesday. Today's Tuesday. We have a little I don't
love like predictions, but a little preview of tonight's Oklahoma
City Denver game. In a moment, do we all know
what tomorrow is? Tomorrow is NBA NFL schedule lease day.
And I think there are things in which we can
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miss judge in life, right Like who among us hasn't
missed judged the timing of a joke or the subject
of a joke. There's something interesting there with the NFL
and the schedule. But before we get to that, let
me get you to Dan Byer. He's got some breaking
news first in the world of sports. Dan, What's new?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Breaking news from Fox Sports zug.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
A report from ESPN's Don Van Notta Junior says that
Major League Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred is removing Pete Rose,
shoeless Joe Jackson, and others from Major League Baseball's permanent
ineligible list. That would make Rose and Jackson eligible to
be enthrined into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Good, let's have this discussion. That is the most cowardly
crap I've ever heard of in my life. And obviously
some of this stems from the pressure you're getting from
the President of United States. Pete Rose was a horrible
human being. That shouldn't keep him from being in the
Baseball Hall of Fame. What should is that people who
actually paid attention to the Dowd Report will tell you
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that Pete Rose one has never come clean about his
gambling on baseball. Two, when he initially began gambling on baseball,
he was a player coach. And three, please stop the insane, stupid, myopic.
I love Pete Rose argument that the only bet on
his team to win, because if you only bet on
your team to win, but you don't bet on your
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team every day, what does it tell the people you
call in as a bookie is going to happen on
those other days? He violated a one of the core
laws of all sports, specifically baseball, which is, you bet
on the sport, you bet in the sport. So again
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I understand you're like, well he died, now what does
it matter. It's symbolic. And again Pete Rose just a
terrible person. Terrible person, great ballplayer, okay, great ballplayer, But
this is this is like somebody dies who had a
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perfect score on the SAT. They cheated on the SAT
and then they die, Like, yeah, you know what, we
should let them into Harvard after all. Like, no, it's
possumously doesn't really mean anything. It does mean something. It does,
it does it does? It absolutely means something. No, Pi Rose,
you don't get into the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame,
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and all the political pressure can mean whatever it wants
to mean. Baseball, have some have some balls, Just have
any You already let steroid guys in there, Okay, at
least you have enough to keep the guys you know,
Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds out, Great, Martin McGuire not in
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Great Sammy, so shouldn't be in great. Okay. There's other
guys that we know by Rodriguez, Okay, not a secret.
There are others that most people suspect like a Mike Piazza. Okay,
you felt like there wasn't any proof. I don't know
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what you can do except for ask any of their contemporaries.
There is, by the way, a way in which you
can prove a guy did or did not use steroids.
If you want to be in the Hall of Fame.
Before every season Major League Baseball players have to take
a physical. That physical, they take blood, they take urine. Why,
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because your contract has to be insured. In order to
be sured, they have to run through a series of tests.
Those tests and what they found still exist. And for me,
if you want to prove that you are on steroids,
all I gotta do is say, hey, listen, the Hall
of Fame Sledge Committee can see my tests before any
season they want, and it will show that I wasn't
on steroids. They won't do it, and they'll cite privacy laws.
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But the real reality is the only thing there protecting
themselves from his testing positive steroids. Anyway, Anyway, Pete Rose
does not belong in the Hall of Fame. Does not
belong in in my opinion, yes, Dan Byern, just some
clarity on this ruling from a Commissioner Rob Manfred.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Manfred Is ruled that any player deceased that is on
the permanently Ineligible list will become eligible for Hall of
Fame consideration. The reason why I think that this point
is important, I think others as well, is our people
who are saying, well, great now that Pete Rose has passed,
Now he can go into the Hall of Fame. That
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is not what manfred Is ruled. Manfred has stated that
once the person's life is over, that that ends the ban.
So if Pete Rose were alive today, he would still
be banned from going into the Hall of Fame and
still be on the permanently ineligible list. The Hall of
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Fame has just released a statement saying that Major League
Baseball's decision to remove deceased individuals from the permanently Ineligible
list will allow for the Hall of Fame candidacy of
such individuals to be considered. The Historical Overview Committee will
develop the ballot of eight names for the Classic Baseball
Era Committee, which evaluates candidates who made their greatest impact
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on the game prior to nineteen eighty, to vote when
it next meets in December of twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
So Now what they did was they restarted the same fight. Right,
it's going to be in a different committee, a different
way of doing it. And I get it. You're like, well,
it's lifetime ban. He died, lifetime ban should be over. Like,
just what is the point so that person doesn't get
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a chance to experience being the Hall of Fame but
they're legacy does?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I think this is just a guess and just to
also clarify, and then I'll quick to make my point.
This doesn't mean Pete Rose is going into the Hall
of Fame. It only means that he can be up
for discussion along with Shoeless Joe Jackson in December of
twenty twenty seven. There is the Specialty Classic Baseball Era Committee.
It's how Fred McGriff got in. But it's not every
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year that you vote for a player from a previous
era to get in. There's a rotating schedule of it.
So the next time that this group of players is
up for possible enshrine in or induction will not be
decided until December of twenty twenty seven, which would make
it the Class of twenty twenty eight. And with that
being said, they still would have to be voted in, Doug.
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So the thought process. If there are voters who feel
the way that you do, they do not have to
vote Pete Rose or shoeless Joe Jackson into the Hall
of Fame. This just opens the door for their possible induction,
the possibility that they are voted in. But the votes
could also speak for themselves in putting them in or not.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
No, I listen, I get it. You still have to
get the votes. I just this thing had been decided,
and the further we get away from it, the less
likely is that voters have read the Doubt report or
have any true sense of it, and our sensibilities have
kind of changed, like well, you know, like what is
the real big deal? People gable all the time now
they do in the phone like no, no, no, this is
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a completely different deal that was going on there. This
is the old call in your Bookie. And the reason,
by the way, that you don't allow people to bet
on sports is because what happens is no matter. I
don't believe athletes should be allowed to bet on any sport.
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I just don't. Because what happens is when you get behind,
a guy comes to do you and to go they well,
You've got a couple of choices, hee, right, like you
give us a figure or or or you take care
of us. You know, you don't have to lose. You
just don't have to win by so many. You don't
have to you don't have to win. But you just
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lose by so many.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
What about what about the families?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Because that's where it feels that this is is.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Is being done.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I mean, we've got to you know, we have a
high profile case going on here in southern California that
I think most of the country realizes in the menendous
brothers right now and what is going on, and it
seems that they have full support from their family members
in them. Maybe not the best comparison, but you're wondering
on now that these players are deceased, does it does
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it do anything for the families? In that point, if
you were a descendant of shoeless Joe Jackson, or if
you are a relative of Pete Rose, does it does
it change anything for you?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
You No, because you weren't in You didn't do nothing anyway. No, No, listen,
just I hear what you're saying, right, but I don't.
That's like whitewash in comparison to the Wave. Sure, Pete
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Rose has done everything the exact wrong way you're supposed
to do it. He never admitted sort of fault. Remember
he used to hold autograph signing like right across the
street where he's supposed to. You know, he basically was
the O. J. Simpson of the If I did it right,
that's that's how he would act. And not even getting
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into some of the other things about Pete Rose off
the field, which I'm not I can't hold that against him.
That has nothing to do with this, and frankly, it
has nothing to do with his unbelievable drive. Like I
even think taking out Ray FLOSSI was a chicken crap move, right,
like you're in an All Star game and you're to
go and dive and take out a catcher to home plate?
Like what are you doing? He will are that guy?
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Go ahead there?
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Jay stew In is two thousand book My Prison Without Bars.
He writes, I bet on baseball in nineteen eighty seven
and nineteen eighty eight. That was my mistake not coming
clean a lot earlier. So he admitted in that book.
And remember the criticism at the time was is that
he did it to sell books.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I believe he actually, and look, everybody is biased by
knowledge of or proximity to situation or whatever. My first
radio co host when I was at ESPN's is two
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thousand and three. I think we worked together three or
four years with Chuck Wilson, and we'll try and get
Chuck on. Chuck is the foremost authority on Pete Rose
betting in baseball, and I mean he still has I
think he still walks around with a copy of the
Dowd Report and when things would come out, he's like, yeah, no, no,
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I actually read the Dowd Report, and he was betting
on baseball, and every piece of chum he threw out
was all some sort of It was a lot like
how many of us handle things that have gone wrong
in our life. We admit to whatever the lowest common number.
So I would admit that I'm wrong. He did admit
that he bet on baseball, but I don't believe he
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ever admitted to betting on baseball when he was a
player manager. And part of it is I don't think
people remembered the fact that Pete Rose was a player manager,
but he was. He was Bill Russell only in Major
League baseball he was a player manager, which is kind
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of crazy if you really want to think about it. Right, Like,
he was a it was a two year period eighty
four through eighty six. So when did you admit to
betting on baseball.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Two thousand and four the book?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
No, But what years did he say?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
A better mate? Eight season?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Right, So he curiously omitted the fact that he was
actually and again in the Dowd Report, he was betting
on baseball the in eighty four and eighty five and
eighty six, which is when he was a player manager,
so he would have direct impact on the game, Like
I've never been somebody said that Pete Rose is an idiot.
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He's not, okay, but he thinks he's smarter than people
going like yeah, yeah, no, I bet on baseball as
a manager. It was only for us to win. Like yeah,
if you actually read the Dowd report, he was betting
on baseball when he's a player manager, which those years
do not coincide with the years he described in the book.
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Speaker 1 (14:06):
It's the Gotlib show. Fox Sports tradeo Antonio Daniels about
seven minutes away or so. We'll get his thoughts on
Jason Tatum's injury, Steph Curry's injury, the Dallas Maveris getting
the number one pick, the San Antonio Spurs getting the
number two pick. He's a former San Antonio Spur. What
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the draft means for the Pelicans, the team he covers.
We've got a lot to get to with Antonio Daniels.
But all you can ever ask for in life is
the chance to say my bad and move on. We
give that to Dan Byro with something we call buyer's remorse.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Some have remorse.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I engage, but.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
There's nothing quite like buyer's remorse.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Dog.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
At the start of these NBA playoffs, I felt that
one team would probably come out of the East in
a very very strong fashion, and that would be the
Boston Celtics. Now in the West, I did like Oklahoma
City coming out of that bracket. But I'll tell you what.
When you talked about that Jason Tatum injury earlier in
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the show, it was at that point just even prior
to that and seeing the Knicks make their comeback, because
not only was a game over in series over on
that injury, it was also on that play.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
And that steal that likely was sealing the deal. And
it just.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Continues another another awful prediction week for me in the NBA.
I got all game ones wrong, I think entering this round,
and it still continues to be poor because I was
like Paul Pierce, I thought the Celtics would end up
bouncing back. I did think Minnesota was the better team
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and beating the Warriors, and it looks like they're going
to but without Steph Curry that's a cakewalk. Oklahoma City
is having trouble with the Nuggets. I didn't think that
would be the case. And I thought that the Calves
We're gonna roll over the Indiana Pacers because my facers
don't playing in any defense, Doug, I still cannot get
the NBA playoffs right.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
It's probably bad.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
News for Minnesota as I'm starting to lean that maybe
I'm gonna pick them instead of the thunder in winning
it all at this point of the postseason. But yeah,
I just can't win for trying when it comes to
predicting these NBA playoffs.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, it's really hard. It's hard because we watch teams
like we pay attention too much, but the regular season
matters too little, and then you factor in injuries. It's
very difficult, very difficult. S Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Uh, okay, let's welcome in a guy
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who Man, he's been around this thing for thirteen years
as a player. He won NBA Championship with the Spurs
in ninety nine. He's color analysts for the Pelicans, and
of course he's got his own show on NBA Radio.
He's Antonio Daniels. He joined us on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
What was your What were your first thoughts when you
saw Jason tim go down, go down last night with
the injury.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
It had to be his achilles. That was my That
was my immediate thought. And I text a couple of
friends that I know, and that's the only word that
I put, achilles. And you can tell because it's number
one is not contact. But also he did it the
same way Damian Lillard did his, and sometimes it's just
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stepping wrong. If you remember the way Kobe Bryant saw
his achilles. You know, he put his foot back to
like push off of it, and then you know, immediately
guys grab for it. Immediately, guys grab for it. So
and I don't even know if that if it's actually
been reported yet actually like medically what it is, but
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it has not.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
It is not officially no, I mean.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
No, yeah, I thought it was an achilles immediately.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I know DeMarcus Cousins tore his at twenty seven. DeMarcus
is a bigger dude, right, It felt like Kevin Durant, Yeah,
but he was in his thirties. It felt like it
was more of a past your prime injury, even with
Lillard tearing his this year. Uh, it also feels like
it's happening more often now than it used to. Maybe
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it's just we cover these injuries more. What are your
thoughts on the volume of these Achilles injuries, especially now
to a guy who's twenty seven, maybe not even in
his prime.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
You know, I had this conversation with somebody this weekend
as far as you know, why this does it feel
like it's happening much more now than it is, And
I don't you know, I don't know what the reason
and rationale is like, you know, depending on who you
talk to, they'll tell you something different. You know, it
could start at the grass roots level, you know, the
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fact that you're breaking your body down. Then because guys
are playing in tournaments and playing, you know, fifteen games
in three days, you know, so he could start to
who knows, you know, I don't. I'm not a doctor.
I'm not knowledge enough about the injury to know you know,
what brings it, why it happens, or why it's occurring
more frequently now than ever. I can tell you what though,
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it definitely changes the foreseeable future for the Boston Celtic
Sealth in a number of ways.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yep. Okay, So if you're the Celtic first, do they
have any chance in the series? Down three games one?
Assuming Tatum doesn't play asuming, can you start as bad
as we think?
Speaker 6 (19:29):
I mean, yes, they have a chance because they have
a championship DNA. But it's not just the Jason Tatum
injury part. It's the fact that none of us really
know what's going on with Christos Barzingis. You know, and
if you told me coming into this series that Christos
Berzingis would only play fourteen to fifteen minutes a game
and not be available to start and not be at
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full strength, and he's a huge part of what they do,
a huge part of what they do. He's a unicorn
seven foot two, seven foot three rim protect and block shot,
spread the floor. So you remove that from the equation,
you removed Jason Tatum from the equation. You know, I
would think that maybe they can get a game because
of their championship DNA, you know, kind of going off
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of the Jason Tatum news and the fact that him
not being available, you know, you can kind of use
that as momentum. We saw Golden State do it when
Steph Curry left the game in Minnesota. So it's like,
but I just can't see them beating this New York
Knicks team three times in a row. They're extremely resilient.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah. The prisingest thing is interesting, Yeah, because remember Dallas,
you know, jettisoned him and he was oft injured there,
and this one has just been a weird one where
it's been an all year lingering thing. We don't know
what it is. And then their ability to move pieces
is going to be hard because Jason Tatum is going
to make fifty four million dollars next year, and you
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can't move that contract and you can't lessen the the
blow to your side.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
No, but what you can do is you can move
some of the ancillary pieces that have been a big
part of what they do. Sure, you know the Drew Hollidays,
the Derek Whites, you know the Christos worzingis Is, the
Louke Cortnett, you know some of those guys. But the
thing is, if you remove one of those guys from
the equation, it's not the same team. I don't think
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anybody's going to gonna pay want to take in Jalen
Brown's the richest contract in NBA history. Nobody's gonna want
to take that. So you figured they're stuck with Jason
Tatum and Jalen Brown. Okay, that's fine, but now you
look at everybody else around them. Drew Holliday has been
a key piece in Championship Basketball bretherend Milwaukee, now in Boston, right,
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Derek White, he's a key piece. So there are certain
teams in this league that feel like they are a
player or two away from being where Boston is now.
And that player or two may be through Holiday, maybe
Christos or Vegas, or maybe they're white.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Just don't tell Brad Beale that Drew Holliday has been
a major piece two championship that.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Don't get me started. Don't get me started.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
There are always going to be people who think things
are rigged. Uh, what's your reaction to people saying that
Dallas winning the draft lottery and even san Antonio getting
the second pick shows that this thing is it was
going to.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Someone was going to say that it was going to
be rigged regardless, because tell me, if san Antonio would
have got the number one overall pick, people wouldn't have
said it was rigged, no question, Yes, of course they
would have. So, I mean, you know, it is what
it is. That's I'm I'm not a fan of that,
that thought process. It is interesting, though, it is interesting
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if there everything that's transpired in Dallas this past year,
with the trading of Luca and him going to LA
and Kyrie Irving going down, and you know, it seems
like a lot of mad fans jump ship. You know
what's a way to get them back? Because I guarantee
you all those mass fans that jump ship and says,
you know what, we are not renewing our season tickets.
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This is not what we're doing. I am no longer
a math fan for life. When they got the number
one overall pick yesterday, that definitely changed things. Yeah, you
know what I mean. Let me I'm sorry, Doug.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Let me.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Let me tell you my beef with this though. My
beaf with this is I'm you know, I'm trying to
think of the most politically correct way of saying this.
There were teams that were purposely taking without guys entered right,
that were purposely taking without Now when you got guys injured, right,
I am the Coloradas for the New Orleans Pelicans, de
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Jontate Murray was out for the season, Trey Murphy was
out for the season, Herb Jones was out for the season.
Hod Alvarado was heard, are what's hard, see day, it's hard.
I can go down the list, but when you have
teams that are fully healthy and tanking, I'm I'm inside.
I'm glad they didn't receive that that first overall pick,
because I don't think there should be a benefit. You
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should not be rewarded for for openly tanking with a healthy,
healthy team.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Oh, I I agree, that's why, you know. Dan Byer
brought it up earlier where he's like, hey, you know,
the the Mavericks did win a game in the play
in tournament? Should they have been penalized? And I'm like no,
that Like the whole idea of restructuring the lottery and
the play in is to encourage fewer teams to tank
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to tonight, fewer, Yeah, fewer teams to tank, and and
if you penalize the team like Dallas, who it looked like, Honestly,
it looked like with a month left, they wanted a
tank and not play Anthony Davis. And then they got
pressure to play them. Then they started winning games. Then
they got into play in the and they won a game,
then they lost the game. They're done. I actually think
they're the perfect team to be rewarded with it Breier pick,
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because they they very easily could have shut ad down
for the year and then thought the hurry on it
and probably probably been fine.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
I could not agree with you more. You know, a
team that actually went out there and played and tried
to win. There were teams in this league that were
taking since January yep, thinkings to January. And the thing is,
when you take in January, it's only ain't fourteen percent
chance that you get the number one overall pick fourteen percent.
So it's not like the old days where you have
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the worst record in the league you're guaranteed the number
one overall pick. We can go back and look at
some of the number one overall picks that weren't supposed
to end up where they ended up. So when teams
openly take when you have a healthy roster and you're
choosing to sit guys out, you're choosing to low manage guys,
you're choosing to not have guys play even though they're healthy.
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I'm glad that those teams did not receive the benefit
of the number one overall pick.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Let me just ask you. We haven't talked since Lebron
did the interview where he's like, yeah, I don't lose
any sleep over losing, you know, as me and Luca,
but eight other guys on the floor. How does that
sit with you?
Speaker 6 (26:15):
The thing is, there's nothing Lebron can say where people
are gonna be okay with it. There's nothing that people
can say. You think like, you're not that good. You're
not that good. You don't play that long without having
a competitive gene that most people don't have. That that's
just the two, don't the two don't intertwine like they
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have to come together. You aren't as good as Lebron's
names is. You are not in the don't conversation without
having a different tier competitive gene. So when he says
something like that, you know what people are going to say, Oh, well,
you know what, Michael would never say that, or Kobe
would never say that, or whatever it may be. And
I get, I get the thought process. But just because
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he said he doesn't lose sleep. Basically, as you get older, Doug,
and you know this, your priority change, your priority. Shit,
the things that are important to you now at forty
or fifty years old were nearly as important as they
were at thirty years old. So to me, Lebron James,
this seems like a mature athlete that has his priorities together.
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I don't think of it like when I hear that,
I don't think, well, man, you know what, Lebron ain't
got no heart. I don't think of it that way.
I know he does. I've competing against him. I watched
him dominate this league for twenty plus years. So if
he comes out and at forty years old, says you
know what, man, we lost. It sucks. I don't want
to lose. But I'm not losing any sleep over this.
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My kids are healthy, I'm healthy, I have a healthy marriage. Look,
I'm going to skal continue to try and wins head missions.
I grafted that concept. I'm not chirping on that.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Who is the NBA Championship now? Who's the best team remaining?
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Oh my gosh, man, man, you know what's wow? What
what you know? Like before the playoffs starts, we all
make predictions, right you major predictions as far as who
you thought was going to win each series, who you
think is coming out to East, who you think is
coming out the West. You know what, we didn't have
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an opportunity to take into consideration that the road changes
were going to be this drastic. I didn't think that
from Game one to Game eighty two and then from
Game eighty three on that there would be this much
of a difference from the regular season to the postseason.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
You I do, just because that's kind of been the trend, right,
I mean I guess well, I mean yeah, I mean
we've had we've had this, and we've had injuries. I
think we have a conflict confluence of injuries. Steph. Obviously,
now you know you have Jason Tatum the defending and
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being Finals MVP, right, so you have a couple of
really big names, and then Cleveland all of a sudden
just widespread injuries that have cost them. And we've had
other teams that have last year Oklahoma City regular season record.
Years in the past, the Celtics have had the best record,
Lebronz team had the best record with the Cavs that year.
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Early on, we've actually had some of this. It just
it feels heavier because you're getting both injuries and disappointing
teams in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
But for me, it's not even the injuries. I'm talking
about the physicality.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Sure, but right now it.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Feels like we're watching the playoffs from the nineteen nineties.
You know when we won the championship in ninety nine, Yeah,
you know, not one team scored over one hundred points
in that series. And what David Stern said at that
time is this is not entertaining, so things have to change.
But now, if you've watched this playoffs, watch how many
of these teams are not reaching one hundred points. I
have watched a game with the Denver Nuggets scord eight
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points in the quarter and the Minnesota Timberwills scored thirty
one points and a half. The physical is completely different
than what it was in the regular season. This feels
like the eighties that were watching. They're letting guys hold,
they're letting guys arm arm bar, they're letting guys handtack.
They're letting guys push over screens and bust up dribble handoffs.
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This is a completely different game in the playoffs that
we did not see during the regular season. And it's visible.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, yeah, I think that has actually happened more often
over the last twenty years than maybe it feels like
to you. It's always been more physical, maybe more so
this year because it's so loosely officiated the regular season.
But it's great, you STI don't answer my question. Who's
the best team remaining right now?
Speaker 6 (30:44):
It's Oklahoma City. That's who all I have to go
with right now, because if I take into consideration the
physicality how the rest are allowing them to play, Oklahoma
City is the best remaining teams in the playoffs. As
far as plenty of attack, the fenders are concerned and
they can score to basketball. They can beat you too weight.
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They can beat you big with a dual center lineup.
They can also beat you small with putting Isaiah Hartenstein
or Ched Holmgren at the five and surrounding him with
four scores or shooters. Right now, and I will say,
Oklahoma City telling.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
You the best man. Love your the intensity of your
analysis and the honesty with which you provide it. Thanks
so much for joining us on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
I appreciate you anytime. Brother.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
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about the press.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
The press, Doug, We have breaking news in the press
as well. Jason Tatum underwent surgery to repair a torn
right achilles tendon. This news from ESPN suffered the injury
and last night's Game four loss to the New York Knicks.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I mean, I will say this really good job by
the Celtics of keeping it quiet, like we all thought
it was an achilles tendon tear, but there was no
report of achilles tendon tear, and then he already had surgery.
That's that's crazy, Doug.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
The breaking news prior to that just at the top
of the hour, so it's within the hour we found
out Pete Rose and sixteen other deceased players are being
removed from the permanently ineligible list by Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah, and listen, I just I understand the idea. Hey,
it's a lifetime ban, the lifetime's over, then the band
is lifted. I just I don't think he belongs in
the Baseball Hall of faim. I don't think he's a
represent he should be represented in the most hallowed halls
in baseball, considering he violated one of the core laws
of baseball and then has truly never come clean about it.
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I understand he said he admitted to betting on baseball,
did not admit to betting on Baseball when he's a
player manager, and he did so despite the fact we
all knew there were multiple ports. Was the Dowd report
never totally came clean. Yeah, I'm that's a no for me. Dog,
that's a no for me.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Do we have a sense at all of this committee
of retired players that vote on this, what their senses
on this or what their opinions are. I mean, is
it a foregone conclusion that they're going to put him
in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
I don't think it is. And you need twelve of
sixteen votes to be enshrined, so it's seventy five. I Jason,
I don't know if your question was meant to prove
a point, but tonight that's how I took it.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
I honestly don't know. Like if the committee is like
filled with his peers, people that played against him, I'd
be in kind to think that you'd probably be more sentimental.
I just don't know what the committee's made up of.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
What is also interesting in this because Major League Baseball
released a statement saying that this issue, which was raised
by Pete Rose's attorneys, of now that Pete Rose is dead,
I was he still on the list Manfred's calling it
a policy issue, saying that the issue has never been
formally addressed by Jill League Baseball, but an application filed
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by the family of Pete Rose has made an incumbent
upon the Office of the Commissioner to reach a policy
decision on this unprecedented issue in the modern era, as
mister Rose is the first person band after the tenure
of Commissioner Ken. I saw mountain Landis to die while
still on the ineligible list.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yep, I think I'll still think it remains on the
announceable still be there. That's just me. Seventh's just me.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Seventeen players in all on that list.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Some NFL schedule leaks Eagles and Packers playing on Monday
Night football at Lambeau week ten, November tenth. You may
have a game that night, dog, I don't know if
you can make it in Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Well, okay, so here's the thing. It's a real question.
We play the third that's been announced. We have announced
us for our schedule. We play the thirteenth and the
fifteenth in the Twin Cities. So we want to try
and play. There's a world there where we play a
day game or early afternoon game. Before a Monday night
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football game. Do you think people will attend on a
Monday I think it's too much. It's a kids' day game,
would be with the one. Yeah, we're trying to do
a Saturday night before a Sunday game. That's that's what
we're trying for.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
And other league games include the Vikings and Steelers in Ireland.
Vikings will play in Week five against the Browns. Broncos
and Jets play in London, as do the Rams and Jaguars.
In Germany Falcons and Colts, while Spain in Madrid and
Week eleven is the Commanders and Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
IVE never been to Spain, but I surely like to
get there.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
And that's the press bag. Get out there and pressed.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
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(00:24):
Today's Tuesday. Today's Tuesday. We have a little I don't
love like predictions, but a little preview of tonight's Oklahoma
City Denver game. In a moment, do we all know
what tomorrow is? Tomorrow is NBA NFL schedule lease day.
And I think there are things in which we can
(00:51):
miss judge in life, right Like who among us hasn't
missed judged the timing of a joke or the subject
of a joke. There's something interesting there with the NFL
and the schedule. But before we get to that, let
me get you to Dan Byer. He's got some breaking
news first in the world of sports. Dan, What's new?
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Breaking news from Fox Sports zug.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
A report from ESPN's Don Van Notta Junior says that
Major League Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred is removing Pete Rose,
shoeless Joe Jackson, and others from Major League Baseball's permanent
ineligible list. That would make Rose and Jackson eligible to
be enthrined into the Baseball Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Good, let's have this discussion. That is the most cowardly
crap I've ever heard of in my life. And obviously
some of this stems from the pressure you're getting from
the President of United States. Pete Rose was a horrible
human being. That shouldn't keep him from being in the
Baseball Hall of Fame. What should is that people who
actually paid attention to the Dowd Report will tell you
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that Pete Rose one has never come clean about his
gambling on baseball. Two, when he initially began gambling on baseball,
he was a player coach. And three, please stop the insane, stupid, myopic.
I love Pete Rose argument that the only bet on
his team to win, because if you only bet on
your team to win, but you don't bet on your
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team every day, what does it tell the people you
call in as a bookie is going to happen on
those other days? He violated a one of the core
laws of all sports, specifically baseball, which is, you bet
on the sport, you bet in the sport. So again
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I understand you're like, well he died, now what does
it matter. It's symbolic. And again Pete Rose just a
terrible person. Terrible person, great ballplayer, okay, great ballplayer, But
this is this is like somebody dies who had a
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perfect score on the SAT. They cheated on the SAT
and then they die, Like, yeah, you know what, we
should let them into Harvard after all. Like, no, it's
possumously doesn't really mean anything. It does mean something. It does,
it does it does? It absolutely means something. No, Pi Rose,
you don't get into the Major League Baseball Hall of Fame,
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and all the political pressure can mean whatever it wants
to mean. Baseball, have some have some balls, Just have
any You already let steroid guys in there, Okay, at
least you have enough to keep the guys you know,
Roger Clemens, Barry Bonds out, Great, Martin McGuire not in
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Great Sammy, so shouldn't be in great. Okay. There's other
guys that we know by Rodriguez, Okay, not a secret.
There are others that most people suspect like a Mike Piazza. Okay,
you felt like there wasn't any proof. I don't know
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what you can do except for ask any of their contemporaries.
There is, by the way, a way in which you
can prove a guy did or did not use steroids.
If you want to be in the Hall of Fame.
Before every season Major League Baseball players have to take
a physical. That physical, they take blood, they take urine. Why,
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because your contract has to be insured. In order to
be sured, they have to run through a series of tests.
Those tests and what they found still exist. And for me,
if you want to prove that you are on steroids,
all I gotta do is say, hey, listen, the Hall
of Fame Sledge Committee can see my tests before any
season they want, and it will show that I wasn't
on steroids. They won't do it, and they'll cite privacy laws.
(05:03):
But the real reality is the only thing there protecting
themselves from his testing positive steroids. Anyway, Anyway, Pete Rose
does not belong in the Hall of Fame. Does not
belong in in my opinion, yes, Dan Byern, just some
clarity on this ruling from a Commissioner Rob Manfred.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
Manfred Is ruled that any player deceased that is on
the permanently Ineligible list will become eligible for Hall of
Fame consideration. The reason why I think that this point
is important, I think others as well, is our people
who are saying, well, great now that Pete Rose has passed,
Now he can go into the Hall of Fame. That
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is not what manfred Is ruled. Manfred has stated that
once the person's life is over, that that ends the ban.
So if Pete Rose were alive today, he would still
be banned from going into the Hall of Fame and
still be on the permanently ineligible list. The Hall of
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Fame has just released a statement saying that Major League
Baseball's decision to remove deceased individuals from the permanently Ineligible
list will allow for the Hall of Fame candidacy of
such individuals to be considered. The Historical Overview Committee will
develop the ballot of eight names for the Classic Baseball
Era Committee, which evaluates candidates who made their greatest impact
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on the game prior to nineteen eighty, to vote when
it next meets in December of twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
So Now what they did was they restarted the same fight. Right,
it's going to be in a different committee, a different
way of doing it. And I get it. You're like, well,
it's lifetime ban. He died, lifetime ban should be over. Like,
just what is the point so that person doesn't get
(06:58):
a chance to experience being the Hall of Fame but
they're legacy does?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
I think this is just a guess and just to
also clarify, and then I'll quick to make my point.
This doesn't mean Pete Rose is going into the Hall
of Fame. It only means that he can be up
for discussion along with Shoeless Joe Jackson in December of
twenty twenty seven. There is the Specialty Classic Baseball Era Committee.
It's how Fred McGriff got in. But it's not every
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year that you vote for a player from a previous
era to get in. There's a rotating schedule of it.
So the next time that this group of players is
up for possible enshrine in or induction will not be
decided until December of twenty twenty seven, which would make
it the Class of twenty twenty eight. And with that
being said, they still would have to be voted in, Doug.
(07:47):
So the thought process. If there are voters who feel
the way that you do, they do not have to
vote Pete Rose or shoeless Joe Jackson into the Hall
of Fame. This just opens the door for their possible induction,
the possibility that they are voted in. But the votes
could also speak for themselves in putting them in or not.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
No, I listen, I get it. You still have to
get the votes. I just this thing had been decided,
and the further we get away from it, the less
likely is that voters have read the Doubt report or
have any true sense of it, and our sensibilities have
kind of changed, like well, you know, like what is
the real big deal? People gable all the time now
they do in the phone like no, no, no, this is
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a completely different deal that was going on there. This
is the old call in your Bookie. And the reason,
by the way, that you don't allow people to bet
on sports is because what happens is no matter. I
don't believe athletes should be allowed to bet on any sport.
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I just don't. Because what happens is when you get behind,
a guy comes to do you and to go they well,
You've got a couple of choices, hee, right, like you
give us a figure or or or you take care
of us. You know, you don't have to lose. You
just don't have to win by so many. You don't
have to you don't have to win. But you just
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lose by so many.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
What about what about the families?
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Because that's where it feels that this is is.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Is being done.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
I mean, we've got to you know, we have a
high profile case going on here in southern California that
I think most of the country realizes in the menendous
brothers right now and what is going on, and it
seems that they have full support from their family members
in them. Maybe not the best comparison, but you're wondering
on now that these players are deceased, does it does
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it do anything for the families? In that point, if
you were a descendant of shoeless Joe Jackson, or if
you are a relative of Pete Rose, does it does
it change anything for you?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
You No, because you weren't in You didn't do nothing anyway. No, No, listen,
just I hear what you're saying, right, but I don't.
That's like whitewash in comparison to the Wave. Sure, Pete
(10:22):
Rose has done everything the exact wrong way you're supposed
to do it. He never admitted sort of fault. Remember
he used to hold autograph signing like right across the
street where he's supposed to. You know, he basically was
the O. J. Simpson of the If I did it right,
that's that's how he would act. And not even getting
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into some of the other things about Pete Rose off
the field, which I'm not I can't hold that against him.
That has nothing to do with this, and frankly, it
has nothing to do with his unbelievable drive. Like I
even think taking out Ray FLOSSI was a chicken crap move, right,
like you're in an All Star game and you're to
go and dive and take out a catcher to home plate?
Like what are you doing? He will are that guy?
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Go ahead there?
Speaker 5 (11:08):
Jay stew In is two thousand book My Prison Without Bars.
He writes, I bet on baseball in nineteen eighty seven
and nineteen eighty eight. That was my mistake not coming
clean a lot earlier. So he admitted in that book.
And remember the criticism at the time was is that
he did it to sell books.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
I believe he actually, and look, everybody is biased by
knowledge of or proximity to situation or whatever. My first
radio co host when I was at ESPN's is two
(11:52):
thousand and three. I think we worked together three or
four years with Chuck Wilson, and we'll try and get
Chuck on. Chuck is the foremost authority on Pete Rose
betting in baseball, and I mean he still has I
think he still walks around with a copy of the
Dowd Report and when things would come out, he's like, yeah, no, no,
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I actually read the Dowd Report, and he was betting
on baseball, and every piece of chum he threw out
was all some sort of It was a lot like
how many of us handle things that have gone wrong
in our life. We admit to whatever the lowest common number.
So I would admit that I'm wrong. He did admit
that he bet on baseball, but I don't believe he
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ever admitted to betting on baseball when he was a
player manager. And part of it is I don't think
people remembered the fact that Pete Rose was a player manager,
but he was. He was Bill Russell only in Major
League baseball he was a player manager, which is kind
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of crazy if you really want to think about it. Right, Like,
he was a it was a two year period eighty
four through eighty six. So when did you admit to
betting on baseball.
Speaker 5 (13:06):
Two thousand and four the book?
Speaker 1 (13:08):
No, But what years did he say?
Speaker 4 (13:09):
A better mate? Eight season?
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Right, So he curiously omitted the fact that he was
actually and again in the Dowd Report, he was betting
on baseball the in eighty four and eighty five and
eighty six, which is when he was a player manager,
so he would have direct impact on the game, Like
I've never been somebody said that Pete Rose is an idiot.
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He's not, okay, but he thinks he's smarter than people
going like yeah, yeah, no, I bet on baseball as
a manager. It was only for us to win. Like yeah,
if you actually read the Dowd report, he was betting
on baseball when he's a player manager, which those years
do not coincide with the years he described in the book.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
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Speaker 1 (14:06):
It's the Gotlib show. Fox Sports tradeo Antonio Daniels about
seven minutes away or so. We'll get his thoughts on
Jason Tatum's injury, Steph Curry's injury, the Dallas Maveris getting
the number one pick, the San Antonio Spurs getting the
number two pick. He's a former San Antonio Spur. What
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the draft means for the Pelicans, the team he covers.
We've got a lot to get to with Antonio Daniels.
But all you can ever ask for in life is
the chance to say my bad and move on. We
give that to Dan Byro with something we call buyer's remorse.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
Some have remorse.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior.
Speaker 4 (14:48):
I engage, but.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
There's nothing quite like buyer's remorse.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Dog.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
At the start of these NBA playoffs, I felt that
one team would probably come out of the East in
a very very strong fashion, and that would be the
Boston Celtics. Now in the West, I did like Oklahoma
City coming out of that bracket. But I'll tell you what.
When you talked about that Jason Tatum injury earlier in
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the show, it was at that point just even prior
to that and seeing the Knicks make their comeback, because
not only was a game over in series over on
that injury, it was also on that play.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
And that steal that likely was sealing the deal. And
it just.
Speaker 3 (15:31):
Continues another another awful prediction week for me in the NBA.
I got all game ones wrong, I think entering this round,
and it still continues to be poor because I was
like Paul Pierce, I thought the Celtics would end up
bouncing back. I did think Minnesota was the better team
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and beating the Warriors, and it looks like they're going
to but without Steph Curry that's a cakewalk. Oklahoma City
is having trouble with the Nuggets. I didn't think that
would be the case. And I thought that the Calves
We're gonna roll over the Indiana Pacers because my facers
don't playing in any defense, Doug, I still cannot get
the NBA playoffs right.
Speaker 4 (16:13):
It's probably bad.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
News for Minnesota as I'm starting to lean that maybe
I'm gonna pick them instead of the thunder in winning
it all at this point of the postseason. But yeah,
I just can't win for trying when it comes to
predicting these NBA playoffs.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah, it's really hard. It's hard because we watch teams
like we pay attention too much, but the regular season
matters too little, and then you factor in injuries. It's
very difficult, very difficult. S Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio. Uh, okay, let's welcome in a guy
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who Man, he's been around this thing for thirteen years
as a player. He won NBA Championship with the Spurs
in ninety nine. He's color analysts for the Pelicans, and
of course he's got his own show on NBA Radio.
He's Antonio Daniels. He joined us on the Doug Gottlieb Show.
What was your What were your first thoughts when you
saw Jason tim go down, go down last night with
the injury.
Speaker 6 (17:10):
It had to be his achilles. That was my That
was my immediate thought. And I text a couple of
friends that I know, and that's the only word that
I put, achilles. And you can tell because it's number
one is not contact. But also he did it the
same way Damian Lillard did his, and sometimes it's just
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stepping wrong. If you remember the way Kobe Bryant saw
his achilles. You know, he put his foot back to
like push off of it, and then you know, immediately
guys grab for it. Immediately, guys grab for it. So
and I don't even know if that if it's actually
been reported yet actually like medically what it is, but
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it has not.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
It is not officially no, I mean.
Speaker 6 (17:54):
No, yeah, I thought it was an achilles immediately.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
I know DeMarcus Cousins tore his at twenty seven. DeMarcus
is a bigger dude, right, It felt like Kevin Durant, Yeah,
but he was in his thirties. It felt like it
was more of a past your prime injury, even with
Lillard tearing his this year. Uh, it also feels like
it's happening more often now than it used to. Maybe
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it's just we cover these injuries more. What are your
thoughts on the volume of these Achilles injuries, especially now
to a guy who's twenty seven, maybe not even in
his prime.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
You know, I had this conversation with somebody this weekend
as far as you know, why this does it feel
like it's happening much more now than it is, And
I don't you know, I don't know what the reason
and rationale is like, you know, depending on who you
talk to, they'll tell you something different. You know, it
could start at the grass roots level, you know, the
(18:51):
fact that you're breaking your body down. Then because guys
are playing in tournaments and playing, you know, fifteen games
in three days, you know, so he could start to
who knows, you know, I don't. I'm not a doctor.
I'm not knowledge enough about the injury to know you know,
what brings it, why it happens, or why it's occurring
more frequently now than ever. I can tell you what though,
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it definitely changes the foreseeable future for the Boston Celtic
Sealth in a number of ways.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yep. Okay, So if you're the Celtic first, do they
have any chance in the series? Down three games one?
Assuming Tatum doesn't play asuming, can you start as bad
as we think?
Speaker 6 (19:29):
I mean, yes, they have a chance because they have
a championship DNA. But it's not just the Jason Tatum
injury part. It's the fact that none of us really
know what's going on with Christos Barzingis. You know, and
if you told me coming into this series that Christos
Berzingis would only play fourteen to fifteen minutes a game
and not be available to start and not be at
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full strength, and he's a huge part of what they do,
a huge part of what they do. He's a unicorn
seven foot two, seven foot three rim protect and block shot,
spread the floor. So you remove that from the equation,
you removed Jason Tatum from the equation. You know, I
would think that maybe they can get a game because
of their championship DNA, you know, kind of going off
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of the Jason Tatum news and the fact that him
not being available, you know, you can kind of use
that as momentum. We saw Golden State do it when
Steph Curry left the game in Minnesota. So it's like,
but I just can't see them beating this New York
Knicks team three times in a row. They're extremely resilient.
Speaker 1 (20:37):
Yeah. The prisingest thing is interesting, Yeah, because remember Dallas,
you know, jettisoned him and he was oft injured there,
and this one has just been a weird one where
it's been an all year lingering thing. We don't know
what it is. And then their ability to move pieces
is going to be hard because Jason Tatum is going
to make fifty four million dollars next year, and you
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can't move that contract and you can't lessen the the
blow to your side.
Speaker 6 (21:06):
No, but what you can do is you can move
some of the ancillary pieces that have been a big
part of what they do. Sure, you know the Drew Hollidays,
the Derek Whites, you know the Christos worzingis Is, the
Louke Cortnett, you know some of those guys. But the
thing is, if you remove one of those guys from
the equation, it's not the same team. I don't think
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anybody's going to gonna pay want to take in Jalen
Brown's the richest contract in NBA history. Nobody's gonna want
to take that. So you figured they're stuck with Jason
Tatum and Jalen Brown. Okay, that's fine, but now you
look at everybody else around them. Drew Holliday has been
a key piece in Championship Basketball bretherend Milwaukee, now in Boston, right,
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Derek White, he's a key piece. So there are certain
teams in this league that feel like they are a
player or two away from being where Boston is now.
And that player or two may be through Holiday, maybe
Christos or Vegas, or maybe they're white.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Just don't tell Brad Beale that Drew Holliday has been
a major piece two championship that.
Speaker 6 (22:10):
Don't get me started. Don't get me started.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
There are always going to be people who think things
are rigged. Uh, what's your reaction to people saying that
Dallas winning the draft lottery and even san Antonio getting
the second pick shows that this thing is it was
going to.
Speaker 6 (22:29):
Someone was going to say that it was going to
be rigged regardless, because tell me, if san Antonio would
have got the number one overall pick, people wouldn't have
said it was rigged, no question, Yes, of course they
would have. So, I mean, you know, it is what
it is. That's I'm I'm not a fan of that,
that thought process. It is interesting, though, it is interesting
(22:55):
if there everything that's transpired in Dallas this past year,
with the trading of Luca and him going to LA
and Kyrie Irving going down, and you know, it seems
like a lot of mad fans jump ship. You know
what's a way to get them back? Because I guarantee
you all those mass fans that jump ship and says,
you know what, we are not renewing our season tickets.
(23:17):
This is not what we're doing. I am no longer
a math fan for life. When they got the number
one overall pick yesterday, that definitely changed things. Yeah, you
know what I mean. Let me I'm sorry, Doug.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Let me.
Speaker 6 (23:31):
Let me tell you my beef with this though. My
beaf with this is I'm you know, I'm trying to
think of the most politically correct way of saying this.
There were teams that were purposely taking without guys entered right,
that were purposely taking without Now when you got guys injured, right,
I am the Coloradas for the New Orleans Pelicans, de
(23:52):
Jontate Murray was out for the season, Trey Murphy was
out for the season, Herb Jones was out for the season.
Hod Alvarado was heard, are what's hard, see day, it's hard.
I can go down the list, but when you have
teams that are fully healthy and tanking, I'm I'm inside.
I'm glad they didn't receive that that first overall pick,
because I don't think there should be a benefit. You
(24:15):
should not be rewarded for for openly tanking with a healthy,
healthy team.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Oh, I I agree, that's why, you know. Dan Byer
brought it up earlier where he's like, hey, you know,
the the Mavericks did win a game in the play
in tournament? Should they have been penalized? And I'm like no,
that Like the whole idea of restructuring the lottery and
the play in is to encourage fewer teams to tank
(24:43):
to tonight, fewer, Yeah, fewer teams to tank, and and
if you penalize the team like Dallas, who it looked like, Honestly,
it looked like with a month left, they wanted a
tank and not play Anthony Davis. And then they got
pressure to play them. Then they started winning games. Then
they got into play in the and they won a game,
then they lost the game. They're done. I actually think
they're the perfect team to be rewarded with it Breier pick,
(25:06):
because they they very easily could have shut ad down
for the year and then thought the hurry on it
and probably probably been fine.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
I could not agree with you more. You know, a
team that actually went out there and played and tried
to win. There were teams in this league that were
taking since January yep, thinkings to January. And the thing is,
when you take in January, it's only ain't fourteen percent
chance that you get the number one overall pick fourteen percent.
So it's not like the old days where you have
(25:35):
the worst record in the league you're guaranteed the number
one overall pick. We can go back and look at
some of the number one overall picks that weren't supposed
to end up where they ended up. So when teams
openly take when you have a healthy roster and you're
choosing to sit guys out, you're choosing to low manage guys,
you're choosing to not have guys play even though they're healthy.
(25:57):
I'm glad that those teams did not receive the benefit
of the number one overall pick.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Let me just ask you. We haven't talked since Lebron
did the interview where he's like, yeah, I don't lose
any sleep over losing, you know, as me and Luca,
but eight other guys on the floor. How does that
sit with you?
Speaker 6 (26:15):
The thing is, there's nothing Lebron can say where people
are gonna be okay with it. There's nothing that people
can say. You think like, you're not that good. You're
not that good. You don't play that long without having
a competitive gene that most people don't have. That that's
just the two, don't the two don't intertwine like they
(26:38):
have to come together. You aren't as good as Lebron's
names is. You are not in the don't conversation without
having a different tier competitive gene. So when he says
something like that, you know what people are going to say, Oh, well,
you know what, Michael would never say that, or Kobe
would never say that, or whatever it may be. And
I get, I get the thought process. But just because
(27:00):
he said he doesn't lose sleep. Basically, as you get older, Doug,
and you know this, your priority change, your priority. Shit,
the things that are important to you now at forty
or fifty years old were nearly as important as they
were at thirty years old. So to me, Lebron James,
this seems like a mature athlete that has his priorities together.
(27:21):
I don't think of it like when I hear that,
I don't think, well, man, you know what, Lebron ain't
got no heart. I don't think of it that way.
I know he does. I've competing against him. I watched
him dominate this league for twenty plus years. So if
he comes out and at forty years old, says you
know what, man, we lost. It sucks. I don't want
to lose. But I'm not losing any sleep over this.
(27:42):
My kids are healthy, I'm healthy, I have a healthy marriage. Look,
I'm going to skal continue to try and wins head missions.
I grafted that concept. I'm not chirping on that.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Who is the NBA Championship now? Who's the best team remaining?
Speaker 6 (27:58):
Oh my gosh, man, man, you know what's wow? What
what you know? Like before the playoffs starts, we all
make predictions, right you major predictions as far as who
you thought was going to win each series, who you
think is coming out to East, who you think is
coming out the West. You know what, we didn't have
(28:21):
an opportunity to take into consideration that the road changes
were going to be this drastic. I didn't think that
from Game one to Game eighty two and then from
Game eighty three on that there would be this much
of a difference from the regular season to the postseason.
Speaker 1 (28:38):
You I do, just because that's kind of been the trend, right,
I mean I guess well, I mean yeah, I mean
we've had we've had this, and we've had injuries. I
think we have a conflict confluence of injuries. Steph. Obviously,
now you know you have Jason Tatum the defending and
(28:59):
being Finals MVP, right, so you have a couple of
really big names, and then Cleveland all of a sudden
just widespread injuries that have cost them. And we've had
other teams that have last year Oklahoma City regular season record.
Years in the past, the Celtics have had the best record,
Lebronz team had the best record with the Cavs that year.
(29:20):
Early on, we've actually had some of this. It just
it feels heavier because you're getting both injuries and disappointing
teams in the playoffs.
Speaker 6 (29:30):
But for me, it's not even the injuries. I'm talking
about the physicality.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Sure, but right now it.
Speaker 6 (29:35):
Feels like we're watching the playoffs from the nineteen nineties.
You know when we won the championship in ninety nine, Yeah,
you know, not one team scored over one hundred points
in that series. And what David Stern said at that
time is this is not entertaining, so things have to change.
But now, if you've watched this playoffs, watch how many
of these teams are not reaching one hundred points. I
have watched a game with the Denver Nuggets scord eight
(29:55):
points in the quarter and the Minnesota Timberwills scored thirty
one points and a half. The physical is completely different
than what it was in the regular season. This feels
like the eighties that were watching. They're letting guys hold,
they're letting guys arm arm bar, they're letting guys handtack.
They're letting guys push over screens and bust up dribble handoffs.
(30:17):
This is a completely different game in the playoffs that
we did not see during the regular season. And it's visible.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, yeah, I think that has actually happened more often
over the last twenty years than maybe it feels like
to you. It's always been more physical, maybe more so
this year because it's so loosely officiated the regular season.
But it's great, you STI don't answer my question. Who's
the best team remaining right now?
Speaker 6 (30:44):
It's Oklahoma City. That's who all I have to go
with right now, because if I take into consideration the
physicality how the rest are allowing them to play, Oklahoma
City is the best remaining teams in the playoffs. As
far as plenty of attack, the fenders are concerned and
they can score to basketball. They can beat you too weight.
(31:04):
They can beat you big with a dual center lineup.
They can also beat you small with putting Isaiah Hartenstein
or Ched Holmgren at the five and surrounding him with
four scores or shooters. Right now, and I will say,
Oklahoma City telling.
Speaker 1 (31:19):
You the best man. Love your the intensity of your
analysis and the honesty with which you provide it. Thanks
so much for joining us on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 6 (31:27):
I appreciate you anytime. Brother.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
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(31:58):
about the press.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
The press, Doug, We have breaking news in the press
as well. Jason Tatum underwent surgery to repair a torn
right achilles tendon. This news from ESPN suffered the injury
and last night's Game four loss to the New York Knicks.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
I mean, I will say this really good job by
the Celtics of keeping it quiet, like we all thought
it was an achilles tendon tear, but there was no
report of achilles tendon tear, and then he already had surgery.
That's that's crazy, Doug.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
The breaking news prior to that just at the top
of the hour, so it's within the hour we found
out Pete Rose and sixteen other deceased players are being
removed from the permanently ineligible list by Baseball Commissioner Rob Manfred.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah, and listen, I just I understand the idea. Hey,
it's a lifetime ban, the lifetime's over, then the band
is lifted. I just I don't think he belongs in
the Baseball Hall of faim. I don't think he's a
represent he should be represented in the most hallowed halls
in baseball, considering he violated one of the core laws
of baseball and then has truly never come clean about it.
(33:18):
I understand he said he admitted to betting on baseball,
did not admit to betting on Baseball when he's a
player manager, and he did so despite the fact we
all knew there were multiple ports. Was the Dowd report
never totally came clean. Yeah, I'm that's a no for me. Dog,
that's a no for me.
Speaker 5 (33:35):
Do we have a sense at all of this committee
of retired players that vote on this, what their senses
on this or what their opinions are. I mean, is
it a foregone conclusion that they're going to put him
in the Hall of Fame?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
I don't think it is. And you need twelve of
sixteen votes to be enshrined, so it's seventy five. I Jason,
I don't know if your question was meant to prove
a point, but tonight that's how I took it.
Speaker 5 (34:08):
I honestly don't know. Like if the committee is like
filled with his peers, people that played against him, I'd
be in kind to think that you'd probably be more sentimental.
I just don't know what the committee's made up of.
Speaker 3 (34:19):
What is also interesting in this because Major League Baseball
released a statement saying that this issue, which was raised
by Pete Rose's attorneys, of now that Pete Rose is dead,
I was he still on the list Manfred's calling it
a policy issue, saying that the issue has never been
formally addressed by Jill League Baseball, but an application filed
(34:43):
by the family of Pete Rose has made an incumbent
upon the Office of the Commissioner to reach a policy
decision on this unprecedented issue in the modern era, as
mister Rose is the first person band after the tenure
of Commissioner Ken. I saw mountain Landis to die while
still on the ineligible list.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yep, I think I'll still think it remains on the
announceable still be there. That's just me. Seventh's just me.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Seventeen players in all on that list.
Speaker 3 (35:13):
Some NFL schedule leaks Eagles and Packers playing on Monday
Night football at Lambeau week ten, November tenth. You may
have a game that night, dog, I don't know if
you can make it in Green Bay.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Well, okay, so here's the thing. It's a real question.
We play the third that's been announced. We have announced
us for our schedule. We play the thirteenth and the
fifteenth in the Twin Cities. So we want to try
and play. There's a world there where we play a
day game or early afternoon game. Before a Monday night
(35:44):
football game. Do you think people will attend on a
Monday I think it's too much. It's a kids' day game,
would be with the one. Yeah, we're trying to do
a Saturday night before a Sunday game. That's that's what
we're trying for.
Speaker 3 (35:56):
And other league games include the Vikings and Steelers in Ireland.
Vikings will play in Week five against the Browns. Broncos
and Jets play in London, as do the Rams and Jaguars.
In Germany Falcons and Colts, while Spain in Madrid and
Week eleven is the Commanders and Dolphins.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
IVE never been to Spain, but I surely like to
get there.
Speaker 4 (36:13):
And that's the press bag. Get out there and pressed.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
That was the press all right, It's Doug Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio. We're breaking news tomorrow. I'm sure only
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