August 5, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug tries to set people straight about Shedeur Sanders and his value as a pro. Doug welcomes Former NFL general manager and three-time Super Bowl winner Michael Lombardi onto the show to talk footbal and to discuss his new booK “FOOTBALL DONE RIGHT: Setting the Record Straight on the Coaches, Players, and History of the NFL” available where you buy your books today. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through The Press.
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So this is a this is a personal thing that
I despise and I don't really know what to do
about it, so I just let's just talk about it.
There are always going to be people that insist somehow
Shador Sanders was done wrong by the world right, and
(01:19):
we've I don't need to. We don't need to relitigate
the Shador Sanders and where.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
He was drafted thing. You know, it's super interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I mean, probably the best thing to happen to us
in the NBA draft sadly happened to uh, Bronnie James,
was Bronnie had the heart issue, because otherwise there would
have been some people who do rankings that will be like, hey,
Bronnie James top ten prospect on I think Jonathan Gavoni's list,
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and he should go because Bronnie James had the heart issue.
Forget about the fact that he didn't start when he
was at se They didn't have a good year, he
didn't have a particularly good year because he had the
heart issue. Was like he wasn't gonna have a good
year anyway. So you know, second round picks about right,
and we all knew when the Lakers were picking, and
that's whereabout he would go. And so what there wasn't
(02:12):
this So the celebrity dad draftee is definitely a thing, right,
definitely a thing. So I'm not going to relitigate where
Shoulder should have gone. It's just really important to understand
there are thirty two NFL teams, and we went through
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two days of drafting and he had not been selected.
They had had plenty of time, so it wasn't and
there was no collusion. There's just everybody involved was like,
she's just not.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Good enough.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Considering, you know, the pressure you're going to get to
play him, and the talent that he may or may
not have, and then the way which she carries himself.
So he's at fourth on the depth chart with the Browns.
And I'll be honest, Dylan Gabriel, who was drafted around
ahead of him, I've never been I've never watched Dylan
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Gabriel play at Central Florida or at Oklahoma and been like,
you know what, that's an NFL quarterback. But he was
drafted ahead of Shador and so he's gonna get kind
of right a first refusal. Here's Shador Sanders when he
was asked what we should expect from him in his
first NFL preseason game.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Have you watched me at Collins?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
But you know a little bit of that going on.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
I'm still the same guy, you know, I don't nothing
happened to me.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, And look, I think it's a good quarterback, A
definitely good college quarterback. But you know it's it's gonna
be interesting. And I saw Robert Griffin third, who now
works for us at Fox, talking about how he's been
done wrong by the Browns and it's gonna make people
pay for such little reps. And he's the fourth quarterback.
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What did you expect in.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Terms of number of reps? Volumes of reps?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And we're going to hyper focus on his performance in
his first preseason game, and if he has good numbers,
we're going to say it's really good, no matter if
it was the right reads or how average the defense
or talent that he's going against was. But there is
nothing abnormal about your second quarterback drafted being fourth in
the depth chart when you have two previous NFL starters
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and a guy drafted ahead of him, ahead of him
on the on the you know, in the pecking order.
But my private frustration is over people that cherry picks
stats from the internet and make a statement about who
played well in a practice where you have zero idea
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what they were trying to accomplish, who they were going against,
or what it looked like. Zero What do I think happens?
I think Flacco starts, Yes, I think at some point
Kenny Pickett. Kenny Pickett gets a shot. I think they
have to hold on to Dylan Gabriel. I think they
might carry they might carry four. Remember they still have
(05:13):
Deshaun Watson under contract. He just tores Achilles ten in twice.
So you know, I don't I don't know if they do,
they would you drop by Kenny Pickett, who's started in
the NFL for a couple of years, over a Dylan
Gabriel and a Shador Sanders knowing that next year's Brown's
quarterback probably isn't on the roster, probably isn't on the roster. Bira,
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how do you think? How do you think this turns out?
I mean, and by the way the eye once reflects
podcast is dance podcast. It's awesome if if you need
fantasy information to get your draft coming up as well,
give me your best guess. We don't know who gets hurt.
We don't know how it works. I do think that
that Flacco somewhere early to mid season gets pulled. I
think Kenny Pickett gets a shot. I'm guessing that find
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a way to carry three or four. I just don't
know if Shuore Sanders is one of those guys.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
Yeah, and just to backtrack a little, like we believe
that Kenny Pickett at one point was number one and
Joe Flacco is number two. Then Pickett gets injured and
now the depth chart comes out and Flacco is number
one on that. I think they really wanted to see
what Kenny Pickett had for whatever reason, and I think
that's why he was going to get the opportunity up
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until this hamstring issue that he's been dealing with. The
bottom half. Doug is the part where it's changed for me,
because I do think in the last forty eight hours
there is a scenario where Shador Sanders doesn't make this team.
And the only reason I say that is because I
feel that if you are Andrew Berry and you're Kevin Stefanski,
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the way that you can take your control back or
at least some of the power back, and it may
fly in the face of what the haslms wanted. Even
if Jimmy Haslam said it was Andrew Berry's decision, it's
still a fifth round pick and they have been cut before.
The fifth round picks have not made rosters before. So
if you're the Cleveland Browns and you feel that you
have something this season, then maybe Shoudour doesn't make it.
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That's entered into my mind over these last couple of days,
because I just don't know. I don't know who else
would want Kenny Pickett. I don't understand the signing of
Flacco and Picket. If you're gonna deal one of them
like that doesn't make much sense to me. So just
the fact of Shador not getting reps with the the
Ones for a decent amount of training camp or against
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the number one defense, that's that kind of brought into
the equation. All right, Well, maybe the Browns don't have
a future with Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I can tell you one thing I know, Jase two
is so badly once I'm on that team as third
string quarterback, because.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Jason likes storylines and that's a great storyline.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
Accurate, Jason, are you trying to represent me as a
person that loves great storylines?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (08:04):
Yeah, No, I love him.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
And Chador being like the third string quarterback is exactly
what we need, exactly what he Because then you're gonna
have a portion of people literally hoping that Joe Flacco's
terrible and whoever replaced him also terrible, and that chadur
comes in riding the white Horse and saves the.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
Day with the By the way, just a side note
with the Browns on that storyline, and then we can
bring it back. Remember they traded down from two to
five yep, and picked up Jacksonville's first round pick next year.
And again, what could be a great quarterback draft? You
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right now don't have your second round pick signed because
of a domestic violence arrest. Has it been the greatest
of off seasons for the Brons in that regard, Like,
there's gonna be a point where you're gonna start looking
towards the future and Dylan Gabriel's future may not even
be as part of the cards, and you use the
third round pick on him. So they do the deal
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with Jacksonville getting a first round or next year. But
you look back at what they've done just in since
this draft, and it's been I know the Judkins thing
isn't their fault.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
But it's better.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
How's it not their fault?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Well?
Speaker 6 (09:22):
Well, just I mean I don't think that there were
any there was anything behind quinch on Judkins.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Uh. I don't know how they would be at fault, and.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Not necessarily at fault.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I mean, but listen, I can you know, and we
don't know, and I don't know what the background looks like,
but I can tell you that it's you gotta pay
a lot of attention to it. It's it's just about
everything is what kind of person we deal with here,
so and it you know, it's early on. Hopefully it's nothing.
(09:53):
Hopefully that it's a it's an overreaction.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I don't know enough about it. I don't want any
any woman to ever be abused by a man ever.
But yeah, I mean, and.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
That happened after they drafted him though.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
No I know, but it's still part of you know,
I don't Again, I didn't do the background research.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And Deshaun Watson, by the way, if you went to
his background when he was coming out of college, people
thought he was a saint. So they can't fool you.
Absolutely can fool you. But you're right, You're right, Dan.
I mean, like your second round pick's kind of got
a DV and your third round pick looks like he's.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
A high school quarterback.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah right, And you're like, and yeah, and now you've
got Shdor Sanders and what if shed door Sanders is decent,
then you're like, well, we want to We did this
whole thing so we could take an elite quarterback next year,
and this happens.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
As good as a storyline. It will be if he's
on the roster. I think the great twenty four hour
news cycle when he If he's ever cut by the Browns, Yeah,
I think that would be the end of mel Kaiper.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
He will be if he gets cut, he will be
the kN Kaepernick of this season. Somebody's playing poorly. It's like,
you know they should call they should call Shador Sanders, right,
I mean like there's Kirk Cousins is available and Shadoor
Sanders is available, and there will be people that will
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say the two are the same thing. Well, you know,
Kirk Cousins, he's older, he's got that achilles. I'd rather
have Shador Sanders. I'm telling you right now, he's the
next Kaepernick. When by say Kaepernick, I'm not talking about
polarizing protesting. I'm talking about how that became kind of
like the go to for people who don't know anything
about football. And just the last how many years does
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the Kapernick think was it thirteen? Was last year he
played right. But it's been like the last I don't know,
six seven years where people have people go like, you know,
they should call Colin Kaepernick. Now they're going to say,
you know, they should call Shadore Sanders. I'll tell you what.
I take a look at you, Dor Standers. Even if
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he couldn't beat out Canny Pickett, Old Joe Flacco and
Dylan Gabriel, You Jay Stu searches for content and conflict,
right and the opposite of whatever BS is, right Danielle
all three.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I think I did.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
Yep, and I think that there's but I do think
that mel Kuiper would cease to exist. And I'm not
talking about our you know, as a NFL draft analyst,
I think he would have a heart attack. He has
so much in the Shadure Sanders easter basket that he
if he is cut by an NFL team, that means
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that he wasn't a top five overall pick in the draft,
which mel Kuiper screamed. He was through the draft, through
the draft, from the very beginning of his draft analysis
through's the third day of the draft. Now Kiper was
telling us that shaduor Sanders is a top five pick.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, I don't see it, and he's he would have
to be Tom Brady, which you know, I thought. I
read an article yesterday which was interesting, which is I
didn't know how much Tom Brady was involved with the Raiders,
but he was involved obviously with the Raiders. Where now
he's on the field at practice at training camp with
a Raiders shirt on, and he had worked with Shador
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and yet the Raiders took other drafted other quarterbacks. You know,
it had plenty of opportunities to draft him, which sounds like, yeah,
he worked with stories like yeah, no thanks, no thanks.
Even that answer, while there's nothing wrong with the answer,
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you saw me in college, right, Well that's kind of
a loaded thing, right, Yeah, we saw you in college.
I mean, you guys were thirteen and twelve in college,
high completion percentage, you had Travis Hunter, but you know
you held on the ball a little bit too much.
You saw me in college, right, I'm the same guy. Well,
this is a little bit higher level of competition. Again,
(14:18):
nothing wrong with the answer. It's not like you can
sit there and go like this is the wrong answer
for it, but it's not the right answer.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
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Speaker 2 (14:38):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
You know, I haven't done this in a while, so
maybe it doesn't work this way anymore.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Who bought the of us? Who bought their car?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I do have a newer car, but it's more it
was I didn't negotiate the old fashioned way. Whatever, Dan
held your car.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
My car is like six years old, okay, Chase two,
I think six or seven, okay, and.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Sammy twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
So when you guys buy a car, do you pre
negotiate the price? Do you sit down there like, well,
I got to run this back to my sales officer
and we'll get back to you.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
We'll see what your rate is. Do you gotta right?
Build this credit app and whatever? Right? And the most
powerful thing you can do in buying a car is
walk out the door. Right.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Hey, you know, I'm gonna go think about it. I'm
gonna go down the street. There's no other dealership. It's
got the exact same car, and we'll see if they'll
give me a better deal on it. Now, some of
this has changed because the Internet and you know, you
can kind of search and seek and find the price,
and a lot of dealerships do this no haggle pricing
thing or whatever, but they do, you know, tax stuff on.
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But I think it's interesting that Micah Parsons is like
niating for a car and they're at an impasse, and
yet he's still showing up there. Well, his is there's
no altruism in he just doesn't want to get fined
fifty thousand dollars and good for the cowboys. You're like, look, dude,
if you are not there, we're going to find you.
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Because part of this new collective Barty agreement, you're not
supposed to You're not supposed to not find them. Like
it's a non If you don't show up a practice,
you get fine, period.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Stop. The number is set. This is how it works.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
So it's not like Marco Parson is hoping for a
better deal, but he kind of is hoping for a
better deal while staying at the dealership. I'm just gonna
sit in here in this waiting area by the service center,
and I'm going to drink your below average coffee and
you bring out some some cookies and somebody, you know,
somebody's somebody who works in service. They made some brownies.
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And I'm gonna read these magazines and I'll watch the
local news. I'm gonna wait until you come out and say, hey,
you know what, mister Parsons, We've come up with a
new price.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
That's what it feels like to me. That's what it feels
like to me.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
He's still at Cowboys camp, even though he wants to
be traded. It wasn't I'm gonna set out and not
play until you give me a new contract.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It was I want out. I'm done.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I've always wanted to be a cowboy. Now I'm not,
And yet you're still at Cowboys camp. That's not the
strongest way to negotiate.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
It.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Just it it feels odd, It feels off, and it
doesn't feel real. It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio and the new author of a book,
and of course he's written other books, but it's called
football done Right.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
It's Michael Lombardi.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
He joins us on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. And you've basically done everything at the professional
level of football, right from being a general manager to
being kind of the consingly area you name it, and
then of course covering the game periodically throughout the last
fifteen or so years, as well as getting back into
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business now moving to the college side. But it's kind
of the professionalization of the college side. What's it like
for you.
Speaker 8 (18:21):
It's been fun, Doug, It's been great. I think you've
nailed that. It is a professional sport. I mean, look
what players are getting paid, which they deserve to get
paid because of the revenue that they've generated for the
universities across the board, and now to help other sports,
help and help other sports and also help the institution.
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But it's been fun, I mean, other than attending an
academic meaning my job is pretty much the same as
it was working at all the NFL teams. It's salary
cap it's team buildings, understanding how to utilize your money
that you have available to you and in the best
way possible.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Think So what's interesting is obviously your level. You guys
are able to break it apart where Coach Belichick does
football and.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
You do your the you're the GM, right, so.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
There's there's a separate a little a slight separation of
church and state. My level, I kind of do everything.
We We hired a hire, we have a GM whos
a former player who's going to help us. But it's
not to the level that that you're doing. So I
guess here's the first question that all guys ask them,
we all ask each other.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Is are you are you tearing it or are.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
You going after certain guys and being like, what what
is your what's the general plan for how you guys
do what you do within the scope of your salary structure?
Speaker 8 (19:43):
Well, I mean everything about the job that I have
is the same as the job in professional football. You
have to grade the players accurately to then determine how
much you tell them. You know, the NFL draft is
all about how much money. It's all money the NFL draft.
If you get picked the first pick in the second round,
you make X. If you get picked the last pick
in the seventh round, you make why. And that why
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and that X has to be equated to a description.
This player will come in and start immediately, He'll make
a huge impact on the team, and he'll be all
conference or whatever. Whatever the description is that translates into
how much you should pay the player. Where you get
in trouble is when you have a guy you grade
as a backup player and you pay him like a starter.
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That's when you get in trouble. So the first thing
you have to do is put together a grading system
that allows you to accurately grade the players.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Do you use analytic companies or do you use your
own grading system in your own film breakdown?
Speaker 8 (20:40):
No, we use our own system. I mean, football is
different than baseball. We're not as analytical as we have
some elements of analytics, but I mean, look, you know,
if analytics breaks down a game, do they tell you
who's on the field, right? I mean it's easy to say,
you know, get into eleven personnel and throw the ball
the best. But if Reggie White's the right end and
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the left end and you're the right tackle, can't block anybody,
do you really want to throw the ball? I mean
that's the fundamental question, right. It's all about how the
players intertwine with the plays do. I think it's important
to have some form of analytics, of course, But to
sit there and think that you can carry the load
with analytics, it's a little bit naive in the sense
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that you just do. You have to know who's on
the field. You have to judge the players, right. You
want to go after Rod Woodson, who I wrote about him,
Football done right? Good? Go after them? Everybody did? They
double moved them early in the game because after that
you weren't going to get another play on them. So
it's about how to incorporate plays and players.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
In the new book Football done right? Did you when
you started it?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Because I mean, look, anybody's written a book or thought
about writing a book knows it takes a while. When
you started, though, your your job and your job description
was completely different, right. Was there any thought of college
football when you started putting pen of paper?
Speaker 8 (22:04):
Oh no, no, not at all. I didn't think I
would get back into the team side of it, you know,
having worked in the NFL, and when you get older.
In the NFL, he required to make too much money
and nobody wants to pay. So, you know, I felt
like I had a good job working on the media side,
and I was enjoying that. And I love writing books.
I mean, my first book, Wridied Genus, has sold really well.
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This book here gave me a lot of pleasure to write.
In fact, I felt really on this past weekend, I
felt vindicated because one of the major themes of the
book was why Sterling Sharp wasn't in the NFL. It's
the reason I really one of the reasons why I
started to write the book was the injustice given a Sharp.
And look what happened. He got in the NFL. Not
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because of my book, but people became aware of the injustice.
You know, he said he didn't play long enough. Well
even to Terrell Davis either to tell you WASSELLI but
so one of the rules, you know, what is long enough?
And I think that's why I wrote it and I
enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
What about coach Belichick?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
You know, he.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Again, at least what we were told was man, he
really valued intelligence right in the players that you guys drafted.
You go back to your days with the Patriots. How
has he adjusted to even smart college troll players hail
in comparison to the level of football intelligence he's used
(23:31):
to dealing with. What's this process been like in terms
of trying to evaluate and trying to coach players of
different levels of football intelligence.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
Well, you know, every football team, whether you're in high school,
whether you're in college or pro, you become who you
want to be. And everybody here knows we're looking for smart,
tough and dependable players. And when you walk in the building,
that's the first thing everybody gets hit with. We want smart,
tough and dependable and if you're not smart, tough and dependable,
you won't be on our team. So that's what he wants,
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and that's the kind of player that we're trying to
build within the framework of the team. You know, football
teams become who they want to be. If you want
a fat team, you'll sign fat players. If you want
a skinny you'll sign skinny players. Right, Well, we want smart,
tough and dependable, which if we if they're smart, tough
and dependent and they're self aware, we'll make them better players,
will allow them to grow and develop.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
In football.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Then right, you talked about Stirling Sharp, who got in
the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Okay, so does that
does Terrell Davis Sterling Sharp, Tony BISSELLI does that open
the door for even a priest Holmes? Right, very short career,
but very dominant in that short period time.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
Yeah, I mean I think he deserves I think part
of what I wanted to do and why if you
go to the back of the book. You know I wrote,
I wrote why I wrote the book. And you know,
if you ever watch Larry David Curb your Enthusiasm, he
had an episode called the Middler where whoever sits at
the middle of a table at a dinner party is
responsible to stir up conversation. I think that's a really
good conversation to have. You know, what is the criteria?
(25:03):
I think every position should have a criteria. I put
a criteria in there for coaches so we could stop
the debate is this guy a good player? See, it's
just no different than a grading system in football. If
you don't have a system, everybody just argues back and
forth whether the guy's good enough. When you have a
system that describes what the player with the qualifications that
must be meant to get into the club, there's no
(25:25):
more debate, you know. For example, Marty Schottenhammer has won
two hundred games in his EDITL coaching career. Two hundred.
There's only nine people that have poached out of the
five hundred plus people that have called themselves head coach
that have achieved that level of success, one out of
five hundred and nine out of five hundred and seventy five.
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And he's not in the Hall of Fame. If you're
in that exclusive club, don't you think you belong in
the Hall of Fame. Yes, there shouldn't be a debate.
It should be automatically just admitted. Didn't come to a vote.
But he well he has not won a super Bowl, Okay,
Marv Lee, he didn't win a super Bowl. Well, he
didn't get to a super Bowl. Well, George Allen went
to one super Bowl. You know, the only coach ten years.
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He had a seventy percent winning percentage. He lost at
fourteen to seven to the Miami Dolphins in the undefeated season.
But he's in the Hall of Fame. I mean, so, like,
what is if there's no criteria, all that happens is
it becomes an argument.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yep, pretty much right. It's it's like the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
We picked the ones that we picked, the things we like,
don't we try to diminish the things we don't.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
We do the same with the Bible, and we do.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
The same thing with arbitrary sports arguments, where we'll leave
things out because it doesn't support an argument.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
Right, and if somebody has as well as one favor
with the media, and they the media like them. They'll
push the player to get into the Hall of Fame.
You know, they'll want the guy. I mean that was
the point. You know, certain guys got pushed and did
they deserve to go in the Hall of Fame. Maybe
they did, maybe they didn't, But there should be an order,
you know, Mike Holmgren's want you know, he belongs Mike Shanahan.
(27:06):
We would have what would have the zone outside run
play one of one of the major injustices, Clark Shaughnessy.
We wouldn't have a forward pass if it wasn't for
Clark Shaughnessy. But yet we can't. Clark Shaughnessy's not in
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
How does Aaron Rodgers do in Pittsburg?
Speaker 8 (27:24):
I mean, I don't know enough about about how he looks,
and I haven't paid any attention to the NFL to
really say, but I think Arthur Smiths are a really
good coach. I think Mike Comlin's a really good coach.
And I think if he follows the program, you know,
the program, one player is not going to win for you.
It's going to be the program. And I think if
he follows the program, that will really help.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Last thing, I know you got to in the NFL.
I've been told the hit rate for free and C
is like thirty three percent. Right, what do you think
a reasonable hit rate in year one for you would
be at North Carolina? I mean for recruiting, Yeah, in
terms of evaluate guys achieving what you thought they would
(28:05):
achieve when.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
You're well, I mean we have seventy new players on
the team. So it's hard. It's a completely new team.
I think to me, it's about one day at a time.
We've got to build it. We're building a culture. I mean,
that's the most important thing. When you walk in this building,
you'll feel a culture, you know, and that's what more
is the most important element of what we're doing. Once
you build a culture, then all of a sudden you
(28:27):
develop multipliers, you know, multiple you know what multipliers are players,
And so that's that's what we're doing. And so that
takes time, but it's also worthwhile.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
It is worthwhile, So is picking up this book. It's
called Football Done Right. You can pick up his other
book as well. It's outhered by Michael Lombardi. Course works
for North Carolina football. He's kind of to spend some
time this picked up football done right, Mike, thanks so
much for joining us.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I know you're busy. Really appreciate your time.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
I appreciate you, but I.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Appreciate you Mike. Uh yeah.
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Sawyer helped me out last summer. We went to the
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Speaker 6 (30:13):
What do you got, Bud, Doug, We've got news in
from Cleveland. Mary kay Cabot, friend of the program, the
first to report that Shadeur Sanders will start a quarterback
for the Browns in their preseason opener Friday against the
Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Okadable, keep an eye on that. That's interesting, right, listed
as four. But wouldn't that be a Dylan Gabriel normally.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Well, he's hurt, can he Pickett's hurt? Joe Flacco's a
veteran and they just signed Tyler Huntley. I think to
take snaps in that game. But what an opportunity for
the narrative to go in a variety of directions, right, yep?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
He plays well. Everybody's need it for pass on. He
plays poorly and he stinks, so.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
It makes it. Yes.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
In another quarterback situation in the NFL, Colt said coach
Shane Steikens says Anthony Richardson will start against Baltimore on Thursday.
He'll play into the second quarter. Daniel Jones will then follow.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
They so badly want him to be better than he
actually is, but he's just not that good.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
They're trying everything, yes, giving him all the opportunities, and
even when they are saying it's an open competition, he's
still getting the first crack at it. I suppose if
you put Daniel Jones, it would show that Jones had
passed him if Richardson was to get snaps. But that's
how the Colts are going to do things in Week one.
(31:47):
I guess I could understand it. Looking from Shane Steiken's
point of view, Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow and other starters
will play this weekend against the Eagles. In fact, Zach
Taylor told up in Adams the starters are actually likely
to play more on their second preseason game against the Commanders.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, this would be weird if we see like a
one to eighty from the league that had gone on.
The Sean McVay was the first like not playing them, Nope,
And then everybody's like, you know what works for Sean McVay,
I'm not doing it. And then the first four weeks
of the regular season are awful, and even Jason Stewart's like,
this is the zarupa tour. We keep more and more
people keep watching, and yet the product is terrible, Like, hey,
(32:24):
what if we actually played practice football before we played
a real football game. It would Again, we're we are
doing the small sample size, but we'll see if the
trend is a one to eighty from what the league
it's been doing.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
Also, the league with the three preseason games usually in
the previous format of four, the third preseason game was
the final dress rehearsal. Sure, now the third because it's
the last, is the one where nobody plays. So if
you do play, it's either week one or two. And
it's interesting that it's right out of the gate that
(32:57):
these starters are seeing action. So and then the Bengals case,
I don't know if we'll see the starters in week three,
but to play even more than they did in Week
one is a.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Bit of a surprise.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Big surprise. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Raiders head coach Pete Carroll says his starters will play
in their preseason debut against the Seahawks on Thursday. Cardinals
head coach Jonathan Gannon says their starters will play against
the Chiefs coming up on Saturday. Vikings wide receiver Jordan
Addison suspended three games DOUG following his DUY arrest in
twenty twenty four. He violated the NFL's substance abuse policy
and now we'll miss games against the Bears, Falcons and Bengals.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
This is just from the DUI.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
There's no additional correct Okay, good, good, strong policy.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
I think it's gonna affect JJ McCarthy at all, not
having his top targets, of course.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
But again, like this is like like I just I
don't have any It's not just because I got hit
by a drunk driver. I also have Uber Lift and
everyone I know's phone number on my phone. I just
don't really think in twenty twenty five there's the excuse
for driving drunk.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
I agree with that.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
Former NFL running back Lashawn Johnson convicted on animal cruelty
charges in Oklahoma stemming from his role and breeding champion
dogs who were then used to fight in dog fighting rings.
Fifty four year old Johnson faces five years in prison
following the conviction on the six charges. Seventeen others were dropped.
Johnson was given a five year deferred sentence in two
thousand and four on animal fighting charges.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Again.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Idea, let's just cover up with gravy. Okay, and throw
them in a pin with all those dogs. There's there's
my there's my pitch, there's my penalty.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
It's interesting.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Look, anybody, this guy's an idiot. It's not his first
uh what was it four? He was arrested for a
dog fighting ring. Yeah, so second time. I'm not a
pitbull guy. But this also is part of what leads
to the terrible rep earned reputation of pit bulls. And yeah,
(34:57):
just done.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
It time gravy so is part the feds.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
What do you think of the penalty? Like that is
that cruel?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Unusual? Like put a port chop in his pocket? And hey,
you want to breed all these dogs?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Cool?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Hey fine, I think that they are.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
I think that there are there are there are listeners
who will wholeheartedly agree with you in that scenario. Yeah,
the uh Johnson allegedly this is part of the uh
the article that came out he was breeding dogs and
then sold the rights their stud rights to dog fighters.
(35:30):
So it was a bit of a The Feds basically
said like they had to do a lot of work
to make sure that that they could get him on
these charges.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, no, he tried. He tried to be clever about it.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
It's like, yeah, we talked about this about scalping tickets
right where it's not allowed. So what you do is
you go, hey, i'll pay the tickets are at face value,
but this pen is ten thousand dollars. Right, There's like
there's several ways to do it. But we all know
you're breeding fighting pit bulls. Hey that if they get loose,
they hurt people, hurt other dogs. They're on this earth
(36:04):
one and you're cruel with how you raise them. So
now go to prison or come him up with gravy,
throw them in one of those pins.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
The rams at Running Back. Kyraen Williams came to terms
on a three year extension where thirty three million dollars
he gets twenty three million dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yeah, we talked about this throughout the show.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
It's like we can talk about running back markets and
how last year's Sake won Barclay and it changed everything.
But that fits right in line with everything, right, really
good running back get to that second or third contract.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Get that second contract.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
And it's somewhere in the two plus one variety, somewhere
in the you know, twenty seven to thirty five, thirty
six million dollars variety. This one is twenty three guaranteed,
could top out at thirty five for two years, three years.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
Teddy Bridgewater's back in the NFL, signing a deal with
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Free aging quarterback played with the
Lions late last season and then.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
He won a state championship, yes Miami. Then they accused
him of cheating because he boughtdi It's lunches or food
or whatever games some extra money in his pocket. And
then he's like, ah, I need to coach I fo football.
I'll go back to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Power move, power move. It's nice to have those sort
of options.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Well, he's also like one of the most like guys
in the NFL. You as people are like, dude, I
love Teddy Bridgewater.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Yes, absolutely, that's the press, get.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Out there and pressed.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
That was the press.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Plus this lego was fell off.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Remember that was like the last snap and the last
practice for the Vikings in training camp, and he dropped
back to pass. His knee exploded in his Obviously his
career is never the same. So that was after losing
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So this is a this is a personal thing that
I despise and I don't really know what to do
about it, so I just let's just talk about it.
There are always going to be people that insist somehow
Shador Sanders was done wrong by the world right, and
(01:19):
we've I don't need to. We don't need to relitigate
the Shador Sanders and where.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
He was drafted thing. You know, it's super interesting.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I mean, probably the best thing to happen to us
in the NBA draft sadly happened to uh, Bronnie James,
was Bronnie had the heart issue, because otherwise there would
have been some people who do rankings that will be like, hey,
Bronnie James top ten prospect on I think Jonathan Gavoni's list,
(01:50):
and he should go because Bronnie James had the heart issue.
Forget about the fact that he didn't start when he
was at se They didn't have a good year, he
didn't have a particularly good year because he had the
heart issue. Was like he wasn't gonna have a good
year anyway. So you know, second round picks about right,
and we all knew when the Lakers were picking, and
that's whereabout he would go. And so what there wasn't
(02:12):
this So the celebrity dad draftee is definitely a thing, right,
definitely a thing. So I'm not going to relitigate where
Shoulder should have gone. It's just really important to understand
there are thirty two NFL teams, and we went through
(02:33):
two days of drafting and he had not been selected.
They had had plenty of time, so it wasn't and
there was no collusion. There's just everybody involved was like,
she's just not.
Speaker 3 (02:45):
Good enough.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Considering, you know, the pressure you're going to get to
play him, and the talent that he may or may
not have, and then the way which she carries himself.
So he's at fourth on the depth chart with the Browns.
And I'll be honest, Dylan Gabriel, who was drafted around
ahead of him, I've never been I've never watched Dylan
(03:08):
Gabriel play at Central Florida or at Oklahoma and been like,
you know what, that's an NFL quarterback. But he was
drafted ahead of Shador and so he's gonna get kind
of right a first refusal. Here's Shador Sanders when he
was asked what we should expect from him in his
first NFL preseason game.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
Have you watched me at Collins?
Speaker 3 (03:31):
But you know a little bit of that going on.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
I'm still the same guy, you know, I don't nothing
happened to me.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
Yeah, And look, I think it's a good quarterback, A
definitely good college quarterback. But you know it's it's gonna
be interesting. And I saw Robert Griffin third, who now
works for us at Fox, talking about how he's been
done wrong by the Browns and it's gonna make people
pay for such little reps. And he's the fourth quarterback.
(04:02):
What did you expect in.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Terms of number of reps? Volumes of reps?
Speaker 2 (04:06):
And we're going to hyper focus on his performance in
his first preseason game, and if he has good numbers,
we're going to say it's really good, no matter if
it was the right reads or how average the defense
or talent that he's going against was. But there is
nothing abnormal about your second quarterback drafted being fourth in
the depth chart when you have two previous NFL starters
(04:27):
and a guy drafted ahead of him, ahead of him
on the on the you know, in the pecking order.
But my private frustration is over people that cherry picks
stats from the internet and make a statement about who
played well in a practice where you have zero idea
(04:49):
what they were trying to accomplish, who they were going against,
or what it looked like. Zero What do I think happens?
I think Flacco starts, Yes, I think at some point
Kenny Pickett. Kenny Pickett gets a shot. I think they
have to hold on to Dylan Gabriel. I think they
might carry they might carry four. Remember they still have
(05:13):
Deshaun Watson under contract. He just tores Achilles ten in twice.
So you know, I don't I don't know if they do,
they would you drop by Kenny Pickett, who's started in
the NFL for a couple of years, over a Dylan
Gabriel and a Shador Sanders knowing that next year's Brown's
quarterback probably isn't on the roster, probably isn't on the roster. Bira,
(05:38):
how do you think? How do you think this turns out?
I mean, and by the way the eye once reflects
podcast is dance podcast. It's awesome if if you need
fantasy information to get your draft coming up as well,
give me your best guess. We don't know who gets hurt.
We don't know how it works. I do think that
that Flacco somewhere early to mid season gets pulled. I
think Kenny Pickett gets a shot. I'm guessing that find
(06:00):
a way to carry three or four. I just don't
know if Shuore Sanders is one of those guys.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
Yeah, and just to backtrack a little, like we believe
that Kenny Pickett at one point was number one and
Joe Flacco is number two. Then Pickett gets injured and
now the depth chart comes out and Flacco is number
one on that. I think they really wanted to see
what Kenny Pickett had for whatever reason, and I think
that's why he was going to get the opportunity up
(06:27):
until this hamstring issue that he's been dealing with. The
bottom half. Doug is the part where it's changed for me,
because I do think in the last forty eight hours
there is a scenario where Shador Sanders doesn't make this team.
And the only reason I say that is because I
feel that if you are Andrew Berry and you're Kevin Stefanski,
(06:50):
the way that you can take your control back or
at least some of the power back, and it may
fly in the face of what the haslms wanted. Even
if Jimmy Haslam said it was Andrew Berry's decision, it's
still a fifth round pick and they have been cut before.
The fifth round picks have not made rosters before. So
if you're the Cleveland Browns and you feel that you
have something this season, then maybe Shoudour doesn't make it.
(07:14):
That's entered into my mind over these last couple of days,
because I just don't know. I don't know who else
would want Kenny Pickett. I don't understand the signing of
Flacco and Picket. If you're gonna deal one of them
like that doesn't make much sense to me. So just
the fact of Shador not getting reps with the the
Ones for a decent amount of training camp or against
(07:37):
the number one defense, that's that kind of brought into
the equation. All right, Well, maybe the Browns don't have
a future with Shador Sanders.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
I can tell you one thing I know, Jase two
is so badly once I'm on that team as third
string quarterback, because.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
Jason likes storylines and that's a great storyline.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
Accurate, Jason, are you trying to represent me as a
person that loves great storylines?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
Yeah?
Speaker 7 (08:04):
Yeah, No, I love him.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
And Chador being like the third string quarterback is exactly
what we need, exactly what he Because then you're gonna
have a portion of people literally hoping that Joe Flacco's
terrible and whoever replaced him also terrible, and that chadur
comes in riding the white Horse and saves the.
Speaker 6 (08:24):
Day with the By the way, just a side note
with the Browns on that storyline, and then we can
bring it back. Remember they traded down from two to
five yep, and picked up Jacksonville's first round pick next year.
And again, what could be a great quarterback draft? You
(08:45):
right now don't have your second round pick signed because
of a domestic violence arrest. Has it been the greatest
of off seasons for the Brons in that regard, Like,
there's gonna be a point where you're gonna start looking
towards the future and Dylan Gabriel's future may not even
be as part of the cards, and you use the
third round pick on him. So they do the deal
(09:06):
with Jacksonville getting a first round or next year. But
you look back at what they've done just in since
this draft, and it's been I know the Judkins thing
isn't their fault.
Speaker 4 (09:17):
But it's better.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
How's it not their fault?
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Well?
Speaker 6 (09:22):
Well, just I mean I don't think that there were
any there was anything behind quinch on Judkins.
Speaker 4 (09:28):
Uh. I don't know how they would be at fault, and.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Not necessarily at fault.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
I mean, but listen, I can you know, and we
don't know, and I don't know what the background looks like,
but I can tell you that it's you gotta pay
a lot of attention to it. It's it's just about
everything is what kind of person we deal with here,
so and it you know, it's early on. Hopefully it's nothing.
(09:53):
Hopefully that it's a it's an overreaction.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
I don't know enough about it. I don't want any
any woman to ever be abused by a man ever.
But yeah, I mean, and.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
That happened after they drafted him though.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
No I know, but it's still part of you know,
I don't Again, I didn't do the background research.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
And Deshaun Watson, by the way, if you went to
his background when he was coming out of college, people
thought he was a saint. So they can't fool you.
Absolutely can fool you. But you're right, You're right, Dan.
I mean, like your second round pick's kind of got
a DV and your third round pick looks like he's.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
A high school quarterback.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah right, And you're like, and yeah, and now you've
got Shdor Sanders and what if shed door Sanders is decent,
then you're like, well, we want to We did this
whole thing so we could take an elite quarterback next year,
and this happens.
Speaker 7 (10:54):
As good as a storyline. It will be if he's
on the roster. I think the great twenty four hour
news cycle when he If he's ever cut by the Browns, Yeah,
I think that would be the end of mel Kaiper.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
He will be if he gets cut, he will be
the kN Kaepernick of this season. Somebody's playing poorly. It's like,
you know they should call they should call Shador Sanders, right,
I mean like there's Kirk Cousins is available and Shadoor
Sanders is available, and there will be people that will
(11:28):
say the two are the same thing. Well, you know,
Kirk Cousins, he's older, he's got that achilles. I'd rather
have Shador Sanders. I'm telling you right now, he's the
next Kaepernick. When by say Kaepernick, I'm not talking about
polarizing protesting. I'm talking about how that became kind of
like the go to for people who don't know anything
about football. And just the last how many years does
(11:50):
the Kapernick think was it thirteen? Was last year he
played right. But it's been like the last I don't know,
six seven years where people have people go like, you know,
they should call Colin Kaepernick. Now they're going to say,
you know, they should call Shadore Sanders. I'll tell you what.
I take a look at you, Dor Standers. Even if
(12:10):
he couldn't beat out Canny Pickett, Old Joe Flacco and
Dylan Gabriel, You Jay Stu searches for content and conflict,
right and the opposite of whatever BS is, right Danielle
all three.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
I think I did.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
Yep, and I think that there's but I do think
that mel Kuiper would cease to exist. And I'm not
talking about our you know, as a NFL draft analyst,
I think he would have a heart attack. He has
so much in the Shadure Sanders easter basket that he
if he is cut by an NFL team, that means
(12:50):
that he wasn't a top five overall pick in the draft,
which mel Kuiper screamed. He was through the draft, through
the draft, from the very beginning of his draft analysis
through's the third day of the draft. Now Kiper was
telling us that shaduor Sanders is a top five pick.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, I don't see it, and he's he would have
to be Tom Brady, which you know, I thought. I
read an article yesterday which was interesting, which is I
didn't know how much Tom Brady was involved with the Raiders,
but he was involved obviously with the Raiders. Where now
he's on the field at practice at training camp with
a Raiders shirt on, and he had worked with Shador
(13:35):
and yet the Raiders took other drafted other quarterbacks. You know,
it had plenty of opportunities to draft him, which sounds like, yeah,
he worked with stories like yeah, no thanks, no thanks.
Even that answer, while there's nothing wrong with the answer,
(13:55):
you saw me in college, right, Well that's kind of
a loaded thing, right, Yeah, we saw you in college.
I mean, you guys were thirteen and twelve in college,
high completion percentage, you had Travis Hunter, but you know
you held on the ball a little bit too much.
You saw me in college, right, I'm the same guy. Well,
this is a little bit higher level of competition. Again,
(14:18):
nothing wrong with the answer. It's not like you can
sit there and go like this is the wrong answer
for it, but it's not the right answer.
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Speaker 3 (14:46):
Who bought the of us? Who bought their car?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
I do have a newer car, but it's more it
was I didn't negotiate the old fashioned way. Whatever, Dan
held your car.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
My car is like six years old, okay, Chase two,
I think six or seven, okay, and.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Sammy twenty eighteen.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
So when you guys buy a car, do you pre
negotiate the price? Do you sit down there like, well,
I got to run this back to my sales officer
and we'll get back to you.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
We'll see what your rate is. Do you gotta right?
Build this credit app and whatever? Right? And the most
powerful thing you can do in buying a car is
walk out the door. Right.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Hey, you know, I'm gonna go think about it. I'm
gonna go down the street. There's no other dealership. It's
got the exact same car, and we'll see if they'll
give me a better deal on it. Now, some of
this has changed because the Internet and you know, you
can kind of search and seek and find the price,
and a lot of dealerships do this no haggle pricing
thing or whatever, but they do, you know, tax stuff on.
(15:54):
But I think it's interesting that Micah Parsons is like
niating for a car and they're at an impasse, and
yet he's still showing up there. Well, his is there's
no altruism in he just doesn't want to get fined
fifty thousand dollars and good for the cowboys. You're like, look, dude,
if you are not there, we're going to find you.
(16:17):
Because part of this new collective Barty agreement, you're not
supposed to You're not supposed to not find them. Like
it's a non If you don't show up a practice,
you get fine, period.
Speaker 3 (16:28):
Stop. The number is set. This is how it works.
Speaker 2 (16:33):
So it's not like Marco Parson is hoping for a
better deal, but he kind of is hoping for a
better deal while staying at the dealership. I'm just gonna
sit in here in this waiting area by the service center,
and I'm going to drink your below average coffee and
you bring out some some cookies and somebody, you know,
somebody's somebody who works in service. They made some brownies.
(16:56):
And I'm gonna read these magazines and I'll watch the
local news. I'm gonna wait until you come out and say, hey,
you know what, mister Parsons, We've come up with a
new price.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
That's what it feels like to me. That's what it feels
like to me.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
He's still at Cowboys camp, even though he wants to
be traded. It wasn't I'm gonna set out and not
play until you give me a new contract.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It was I want out. I'm done.
Speaker 2 (17:21):
I've always wanted to be a cowboy. Now I'm not,
And yet you're still at Cowboys camp. That's not the
strongest way to negotiate.
Speaker 7 (17:32):
It.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Just it it feels odd, It feels off, and it
doesn't feel real. It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here on
Fox Sports Radio and the new author of a book,
and of course he's written other books, but it's called
football done Right.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
It's Michael Lombardi.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
He joins us on the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox
Sports Radio. And you've basically done everything at the professional
level of football, right from being a general manager to
being kind of the consingly area you name it, and
then of course covering the game periodically throughout the last
fifteen or so years, as well as getting back into
(18:13):
business now moving to the college side. But it's kind
of the professionalization of the college side. What's it like
for you.
Speaker 8 (18:21):
It's been fun, Doug, It's been great. I think you've
nailed that. It is a professional sport. I mean, look
what players are getting paid, which they deserve to get
paid because of the revenue that they've generated for the
universities across the board, and now to help other sports,
help and help other sports and also help the institution.
(18:41):
But it's been fun, I mean, other than attending an
academic meaning my job is pretty much the same as
it was working at all the NFL teams. It's salary
cap it's team buildings, understanding how to utilize your money
that you have available to you and in the best
way possible.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Think So what's interesting is obviously your level. You guys
are able to break it apart where Coach Belichick does
football and.
Speaker 3 (19:08):
You do your the you're the GM, right, so.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
There's there's a separate a little a slight separation of
church and state. My level, I kind of do everything.
We We hired a hire, we have a GM whos
a former player who's going to help us. But it's
not to the level that that you're doing. So I
guess here's the first question that all guys ask them,
we all ask each other.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
Is are you are you tearing it or are.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
You going after certain guys and being like, what what
is your what's the general plan for how you guys
do what you do within the scope of your salary structure?
Speaker 8 (19:43):
Well, I mean everything about the job that I have
is the same as the job in professional football. You
have to grade the players accurately to then determine how
much you tell them. You know, the NFL draft is
all about how much money. It's all money the NFL draft.
If you get picked the first pick in the second round,
you make X. If you get picked the last pick
in the seventh round, you make why. And that why
(20:05):
and that X has to be equated to a description.
This player will come in and start immediately, He'll make
a huge impact on the team, and he'll be all
conference or whatever. Whatever the description is that translates into
how much you should pay the player. Where you get
in trouble is when you have a guy you grade
as a backup player and you pay him like a starter.
(20:25):
That's when you get in trouble. So the first thing
you have to do is put together a grading system
that allows you to accurately grade the players.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
Do you use analytic companies or do you use your
own grading system in your own film breakdown?
Speaker 8 (20:40):
No, we use our own system. I mean, football is
different than baseball. We're not as analytical as we have
some elements of analytics, but I mean, look, you know,
if analytics breaks down a game, do they tell you
who's on the field, right? I mean it's easy to say,
you know, get into eleven personnel and throw the ball
the best. But if Reggie White's the right end and
(21:04):
the left end and you're the right tackle, can't block anybody,
do you really want to throw the ball? I mean
that's the fundamental question, right. It's all about how the
players intertwine with the plays do. I think it's important
to have some form of analytics, of course, But to
sit there and think that you can carry the load
with analytics, it's a little bit naive in the sense
(21:25):
that you just do. You have to know who's on
the field. You have to judge the players, right. You
want to go after Rod Woodson, who I wrote about him,
Football done right? Good? Go after them? Everybody did? They
double moved them early in the game because after that
you weren't going to get another play on them. So
it's about how to incorporate plays and players.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
In the new book Football done right? Did you when
you started it?
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Because I mean, look, anybody's written a book or thought
about writing a book knows it takes a while. When
you started, though, your your job and your job description
was completely different, right. Was there any thought of college
football when you started putting pen of paper?
Speaker 8 (22:04):
Oh no, no, not at all. I didn't think I
would get back into the team side of it, you know,
having worked in the NFL, and when you get older.
In the NFL, he required to make too much money
and nobody wants to pay. So, you know, I felt
like I had a good job working on the media side,
and I was enjoying that. And I love writing books.
I mean, my first book, Wridied Genus, has sold really well.
(22:27):
This book here gave me a lot of pleasure to write.
In fact, I felt really on this past weekend, I
felt vindicated because one of the major themes of the
book was why Sterling Sharp wasn't in the NFL. It's
the reason I really one of the reasons why I
started to write the book was the injustice given a Sharp.
And look what happened. He got in the NFL. Not
(22:48):
because of my book, but people became aware of the injustice.
You know, he said he didn't play long enough. Well
even to Terrell Davis either to tell you WASSELLI but
so one of the rules, you know, what is long enough?
And I think that's why I wrote it and I
enjoyed it.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
What about coach Belichick?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
You know, he.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Again, at least what we were told was man, he
really valued intelligence right in the players that you guys drafted.
You go back to your days with the Patriots. How
has he adjusted to even smart college troll players hail
in comparison to the level of football intelligence he's used
(23:31):
to dealing with. What's this process been like in terms
of trying to evaluate and trying to coach players of
different levels of football intelligence.
Speaker 8 (23:39):
Well, you know, every football team, whether you're in high school,
whether you're in college or pro, you become who you
want to be. And everybody here knows we're looking for smart,
tough and dependable players. And when you walk in the building,
that's the first thing everybody gets hit with. We want smart,
tough and dependable and if you're not smart, tough and dependable,
you won't be on our team. So that's what he wants,
(24:00):
and that's the kind of player that we're trying to
build within the framework of the team. You know, football
teams become who they want to be. If you want
a fat team, you'll sign fat players. If you want
a skinny you'll sign skinny players. Right, Well, we want smart,
tough and dependable, which if we if they're smart, tough
and dependent and they're self aware, we'll make them better players,
will allow them to grow and develop.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
In football.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Then right, you talked about Stirling Sharp, who got in
the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Okay, so does that
does Terrell Davis Sterling Sharp, Tony BISSELLI does that open
the door for even a priest Holmes? Right, very short career,
but very dominant in that short period time.
Speaker 8 (24:40):
Yeah, I mean I think he deserves I think part
of what I wanted to do and why if you
go to the back of the book. You know I wrote,
I wrote why I wrote the book. And you know,
if you ever watch Larry David Curb your Enthusiasm, he
had an episode called the Middler where whoever sits at
the middle of a table at a dinner party is
responsible to stir up conversation. I think that's a really
good conversation to have. You know, what is the criteria?
(25:03):
I think every position should have a criteria. I put
a criteria in there for coaches so we could stop
the debate is this guy a good player? See, it's
just no different than a grading system in football. If
you don't have a system, everybody just argues back and
forth whether the guy's good enough. When you have a
system that describes what the player with the qualifications that
must be meant to get into the club, there's no
(25:25):
more debate, you know. For example, Marty Schottenhammer has won
two hundred games in his EDITL coaching career. Two hundred.
There's only nine people that have poached out of the
five hundred plus people that have called themselves head coach
that have achieved that level of success, one out of
five hundred and nine out of five hundred and seventy five.
(25:49):
And he's not in the Hall of Fame. If you're
in that exclusive club, don't you think you belong in
the Hall of Fame. Yes, there shouldn't be a debate.
It should be automatically just admitted. Didn't come to a vote.
But he well he has not won a super Bowl, Okay,
Marv Lee, he didn't win a super Bowl. Well, he
didn't get to a super Bowl. Well, George Allen went
to one super Bowl. You know, the only coach ten years.
(26:11):
He had a seventy percent winning percentage. He lost at
fourteen to seven to the Miami Dolphins in the undefeated season.
But he's in the Hall of Fame. I mean, so, like,
what is if there's no criteria, all that happens is
it becomes an argument.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
Yep, pretty much right. It's it's like the Constitution.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
We picked the ones that we picked, the things we like,
don't we try to diminish the things we don't.
Speaker 3 (26:35):
We do the same with the Bible, and we do.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
The same thing with arbitrary sports arguments, where we'll leave
things out because it doesn't support an argument.
Speaker 8 (26:43):
Right, and if somebody has as well as one favor
with the media, and they the media like them. They'll
push the player to get into the Hall of Fame.
You know, they'll want the guy. I mean that was
the point. You know, certain guys got pushed and did
they deserve to go in the Hall of Fame. Maybe
they did, maybe they didn't, But there should be an order,
you know, Mike Holmgren's want you know, he belongs Mike Shanahan.
(27:06):
We would have what would have the zone outside run
play one of one of the major injustices, Clark Shaughnessy.
We wouldn't have a forward pass if it wasn't for
Clark Shaughnessy. But yet we can't. Clark Shaughnessy's not in
the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
How does Aaron Rodgers do in Pittsburg?
Speaker 8 (27:24):
I mean, I don't know enough about about how he looks,
and I haven't paid any attention to the NFL to
really say, but I think Arthur Smiths are a really
good coach. I think Mike Comlin's a really good coach.
And I think if he follows the program, you know,
the program, one player is not going to win for you.
It's going to be the program. And I think if
he follows the program, that will really help.
Speaker 2 (27:44):
Last thing, I know you got to in the NFL.
I've been told the hit rate for free and C
is like thirty three percent. Right, what do you think
a reasonable hit rate in year one for you would
be at North Carolina? I mean for recruiting, Yeah, in
terms of evaluate guys achieving what you thought they would
(28:05):
achieve when.
Speaker 8 (28:06):
You're well, I mean we have seventy new players on
the team. So it's hard. It's a completely new team.
I think to me, it's about one day at a time.
We've got to build it. We're building a culture. I mean,
that's the most important thing. When you walk in this building,
you'll feel a culture, you know, and that's what more
is the most important element of what we're doing. Once
you build a culture, then all of a sudden you
(28:27):
develop multipliers, you know, multiple you know what multipliers are players,
And so that's that's what we're doing. And so that
takes time, but it's also worthwhile.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
It is worthwhile, So is picking up this book. It's
called Football Done Right. You can pick up his other
book as well. It's outhered by Michael Lombardi. Course works
for North Carolina football. He's kind of to spend some
time this picked up football done right, Mike, thanks so
much for joining us.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
I know you're busy. Really appreciate your time.
Speaker 8 (28:55):
I appreciate you, but I.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
Appreciate you Mike. Uh yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
A side note, how you guys meet my nephew Sawyer.
Sawyer helped me out last summer. We went to the
packers stuff and now my nephew, Sawyer is working under
Michael Lombardi for the summer before he goes back to SMU.
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Speaker 3 (30:09):
The Press, Danny b.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
What do you got, Bud, Doug, We've got news in
from Cleveland. Mary kay Cabot, friend of the program, the
first to report that Shadeur Sanders will start a quarterback
for the Browns in their preseason opener Friday against the
Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Okadable, keep an eye on that. That's interesting, right, listed
as four. But wouldn't that be a Dylan Gabriel normally.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
Well, he's hurt, can he Pickett's hurt? Joe Flacco's a
veteran and they just signed Tyler Huntley. I think to
take snaps in that game. But what an opportunity for
the narrative to go in a variety of directions, right, yep?
Speaker 2 (30:56):
He plays well. Everybody's need it for pass on. He
plays poorly and he stinks, so.
Speaker 4 (31:04):
It makes it. Yes.
Speaker 6 (31:07):
In another quarterback situation in the NFL, Colt said coach
Shane Steikens says Anthony Richardson will start against Baltimore on Thursday.
He'll play into the second quarter. Daniel Jones will then follow.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
They so badly want him to be better than he
actually is, but he's just not that good.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
They're trying everything, yes, giving him all the opportunities, and
even when they are saying it's an open competition, he's
still getting the first crack at it. I suppose if
you put Daniel Jones, it would show that Jones had
passed him if Richardson was to get snaps. But that's
how the Colts are going to do things in Week one.
(31:47):
I guess I could understand it. Looking from Shane Steiken's
point of view, Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow and other starters
will play this weekend against the Eagles. In fact, Zach
Taylor told up in Adams the starters are actually likely
to play more on their second preseason game against the Commanders.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Yeah, this would be weird if we see like a
one to eighty from the league that had gone on.
The Sean McVay was the first like not playing them, Nope,
And then everybody's like, you know what works for Sean McVay,
I'm not doing it. And then the first four weeks
of the regular season are awful, and even Jason Stewart's like,
this is the zarupa tour. We keep more and more
people keep watching, and yet the product is terrible, Like, hey,
(32:24):
what if we actually played practice football before we played
a real football game. It would Again, we're we are
doing the small sample size, but we'll see if the
trend is a one to eighty from what the league
it's been doing.
Speaker 6 (32:37):
Also, the league with the three preseason games usually in
the previous format of four, the third preseason game was
the final dress rehearsal. Sure, now the third because it's
the last, is the one where nobody plays. So if
you do play, it's either week one or two. And
it's interesting that it's right out of the gate that
(32:57):
these starters are seeing action. So and then the Bengals case,
I don't know if we'll see the starters in week three,
but to play even more than they did in Week
one is a.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Bit of a surprise.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Big surprise. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (33:09):
Raiders head coach Pete Carroll says his starters will play
in their preseason debut against the Seahawks on Thursday. Cardinals
head coach Jonathan Gannon says their starters will play against
the Chiefs coming up on Saturday. Vikings wide receiver Jordan
Addison suspended three games DOUG following his DUY arrest in
twenty twenty four. He violated the NFL's substance abuse policy
and now we'll miss games against the Bears, Falcons and Bengals.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
This is just from the DUI.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
There's no additional correct Okay, good, good, strong policy.
Speaker 6 (33:40):
I think it's gonna affect JJ McCarthy at all, not
having his top targets, of course.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
But again, like this is like like I just I
don't have any It's not just because I got hit
by a drunk driver. I also have Uber Lift and
everyone I know's phone number on my phone. I just
don't really think in twenty twenty five there's the excuse
for driving drunk.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
I agree with that.
Speaker 6 (34:03):
Former NFL running back Lashawn Johnson convicted on animal cruelty
charges in Oklahoma stemming from his role and breeding champion
dogs who were then used to fight in dog fighting rings.
Fifty four year old Johnson faces five years in prison
following the conviction on the six charges. Seventeen others were dropped.
Johnson was given a five year deferred sentence in two
thousand and four on animal fighting charges.
Speaker 3 (34:24):
Again.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Idea, let's just cover up with gravy. Okay, and throw
them in a pin with all those dogs. There's there's
my there's my pitch, there's my penalty.
Speaker 5 (34:33):
It's interesting.
Speaker 2 (34:34):
Look, anybody, this guy's an idiot. It's not his first
uh what was it four? He was arrested for a
dog fighting ring. Yeah, so second time. I'm not a
pitbull guy. But this also is part of what leads
to the terrible rep earned reputation of pit bulls. And yeah,
(34:57):
just done.
Speaker 4 (34:57):
It time gravy so is part the feds.
Speaker 3 (35:00):
What do you think of the penalty? Like that is
that cruel?
Speaker 2 (35:02):
Unusual? Like put a port chop in his pocket? And hey,
you want to breed all these dogs?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Cool?
Speaker 4 (35:08):
Hey fine, I think that they are.
Speaker 6 (35:09):
I think that there are there are there are listeners
who will wholeheartedly agree with you in that scenario. Yeah,
the uh Johnson allegedly this is part of the uh
the article that came out he was breeding dogs and
then sold the rights their stud rights to dog fighters.
(35:30):
So it was a bit of a The Feds basically
said like they had to do a lot of work
to make sure that that they could get him on
these charges.
Speaker 3 (35:40):
Yeah, no, he tried. He tried to be clever about it.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
It's like, yeah, we talked about this about scalping tickets
right where it's not allowed. So what you do is
you go, hey, i'll pay the tickets are at face value,
but this pen is ten thousand dollars. Right, There's like
there's several ways to do it. But we all know
you're breeding fighting pit bulls. Hey that if they get loose,
they hurt people, hurt other dogs. They're on this earth
(36:04):
one and you're cruel with how you raise them. So
now go to prison or come him up with gravy,
throw them in one of those pins.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
The rams at Running Back. Kyraen Williams came to terms
on a three year extension where thirty three million dollars
he gets twenty three million dollars guaranteed.
Speaker 3 (36:19):
Yeah, we talked about this throughout the show.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
It's like we can talk about running back markets and
how last year's Sake won Barclay and it changed everything.
But that fits right in line with everything, right, really
good running back get to that second or third contract.
Speaker 3 (36:32):
Get that second contract.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
And it's somewhere in the two plus one variety, somewhere
in the you know, twenty seven to thirty five, thirty
six million dollars variety. This one is twenty three guaranteed,
could top out at thirty five for two years, three years.
Speaker 6 (36:47):
Teddy Bridgewater's back in the NFL, signing a deal with
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Free aging quarterback played with the
Lions late last season and then.
Speaker 2 (36:55):
He won a state championship, yes Miami. Then they accused
him of cheating because he boughtdi It's lunches or food
or whatever games some extra money in his pocket. And
then he's like, ah, I need to coach I fo football.
I'll go back to the NFL.
Speaker 4 (37:08):
Power move, power move. It's nice to have those sort
of options.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
Well, he's also like one of the most like guys
in the NFL. You as people are like, dude, I
love Teddy Bridgewater.
Speaker 4 (37:18):
Yes, absolutely, that's the press, get.
Speaker 3 (37:22):
Out there and pressed.
Speaker 5 (37:23):
That was the press.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Plus this lego was fell off.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Remember that was like the last snap and the last
practice for the Vikings in training camp, and he dropped
back to pass. His knee exploded in his Obviously his
career is never the same. So that was after losing
to your Seahawks right the year before at home on
the uh the miss chip shot vehicle. Yes, Blair Walsh,
Blair Walsh the outside. This is the Doug Olmy Show Down,
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