June 14, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug and the crew discuss the odd timing of the interview with Luka Doncic as he admitted to doing the wrong thing in game three and apologizing to his teammates. Doug welcomes NBA Insider Marc Stein onto the show to discuss all of the major headlines in the NBA Finals and to get the latest on the Lakers' coaching search. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug dishes out a Friday edition of "The Press".
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hope you're doing really really well.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Getting ready for a great sports weekend tonight. We may
we may have the last we may have the last
NBA game of the year. I'm we here definitely in danger,
definitely in danger of seeing a sweep and seeing the
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end of a basketball season. And I guess maybe in danger.
We talked about like it's ominous. Hey, that'd be a
great celebration for the Celtics, you know, historic franchise returns
the glory wins its eighteenth title, and then you'd have
the Celtics and Lakers both with eighteen apiece.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
That'd be amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
But before the NBA game tonight yesterday, the Mavericks had
a day off of actual.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Court work in practice.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
So Luca sat down with the ESPN and ABC folks,
and here's Luca answering questions about the situation that he
put his team in by fouling out last night two
nights ago.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Kyrie said, after the game, you know, what did you
say to Luca?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
And he said, at this point you just kind of
have to give him a hug and tell him it's okay.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
But did you feel like you let your teammates down?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yeah, of course, I mean, like I said, you know,
it wasn't the smartest thing to do, especially in this
situation is the finals. You got to give everything little
tie out there. But yeah, you know, the car has
e been great for me just having in one year.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So what did you say to your teammates afterwards?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
It's my bet, you know, can't do that, especially in
the NBA Finals. You know, record seas it's a little
bit different, but you can't really do that in the finals.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, he can't really do that in the finals. Now,
I've heard lots of people say, oh, this is spin,
this is damage control. They stuck Luke out there to
do a sit down interview simply because they were trying
to change the narrative and make him what's the word
I'm looking for contrite for his complaining about the officials
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constantly show contrition. And I think a lot of people
maybe don't understand the reality of all this stuff. Those
interviews take place every on those practice days anyway. It's
just like tonight before the game, they'll be a press
conference that they make the coaches do even though the
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game's coming up a night.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
It doesn't make any sense. That's what they do.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I've heard people be critical of ESPN because they have
these really really short segments and halftime shows. That's because
it's network TV. They have network breaks. It's not like TNT.
They can't go for you know, ten minutes and just talk. Remember,
this is where these networks are trying to make up
all the revenue, and they're going to try and make
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it all up because they may only have four games
instead of seven. So that's why they have those really
dumb segments that are sponsored that are like sixty seconds
long and you can't even breathe to try and speak
and get all your thoughts in.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
That's network TV. What would I know? I worked for.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Network TV for five years. Over for CBS. It's just different.
It's just different. The sit down in interviews are pre planned.
But you don't buy that. Dude, Jay Su is a
conspiracy theorist and he thinks the powers that be made him.
What explained him, Luca explained himself.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Is that what you think?
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Oh, I'm not alone in that. That's what I've I've
read elsewhere too, and I do you So just to
get your take right on this, this was pre planned,
like prior to the series that he's going to do
is sit down with Milika Andrews between games three and four.
Is that what your position is?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
No? I didn't say he's pre planned.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I said the fact that he will sit down to
do an interview with ESPN the day of a game,
that the day before game, Yes, that's pre planned, But
this specific interview with this specific line of questioning, No,
it's not.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
I mean remember when who was it Jalen Rose sat
down with what's our guy's name with the gun Jamarant
Jamaran and that was like a very coordinated thing where
they had Jaalen asked him like set up questions and
he can clear his name and Milika Andrews questions reek
of that.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Well, you can have problems with the questions, but the
interview itself was pre arranged.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
You know.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
I agree with Jason one hundred percent. That's exactly what
this felt like. That this was the NBA's last opportunity.
So you don't go into an off season thinking that
you're one of your biggest stars and possibly your MVP
next season is just a big whiny cry baby, and
I think that's this is their last opportunity to do it.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So you you think that the interview itself wasn't planned
and the questions were artificial.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
No oh no, I just said an agreed to hundred
percent with Jason. I believe that the questions were the planned.
I don't care about the scheduling of.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It, okay, just that the topic of and the tone
of it.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
Yeah, was That's what it was. That's so that's where
I think, and I think that's where Jason was. But
you felt that they it was a late scheduling, which
I don't think really matters.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
I just think that this thing was not scheduled until
after all the fallout from Game three, with Windhorst going
off on him and pretty much the rest of the
broadcast medium doing it. Doug was like the one kind
of voice out there that kind of gave the refs
the deal for it. But I I just think this
was done strategically after Game three.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Okay, all right, then, I'm not one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
With Jason, right, Sorry, you're with Jason in regards to
the line of questioning being kind of cleaning it up
for the end of the season. Yes, okay, that that
I'm I I'm not all the way there, you know,
because again I don't know if the edict came down
from from the NBA. I don't know if that was
from the Mavericks. I don't know what's kind of behind
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it or whether it's even Luca whatever. We also don't
know these interviews, like how much was cut out of it,
what other stuff was there, and that this was just
kind of because he he said, and I say it again,
that means that there was previous questions which he had,
you know, a planned answer for. I just like, again,
this is and here's my experience when I was doing
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you're doing the NCAA tournament, for example, you do there
when you come in and say it's a you have
the Thursday Saturday games. On Wednesday, you get an hour
with each team as they're doing their practices on the court.
It's like speed dating. Then you have the games on Thursday.
Then on Friday. It's actually the best because you get
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the winning teams. Right, there's what four winning teams, and
you get an hour and a half you get I
think you get you get an hour you have their
practice is an hour, and then you get an hour
with each team, like thirty minutes with three players and
thirty minutes with the coach.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
And it's amazing. But it's all pre planned.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
And I would say that the NBA stuff, those interviews
are all pre planned. Now the questioning that might have
been different. And I think I'm pretty reasonable in agreeing
with you guys and going like there's some level of like, yeah,
we don't we don't really want to have a Luca
be you know, Luca has its chance to capture some
pr and admit some faults, and you don't want to
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make it about the officials and just make it about
basketball that part, I can, I can meet you kind
of halfway. I wouldn't do it in the Jason Stewart, Hey,
this was pre arranged. This wasn't pre arranged, and they
just tried to clean some stuff up.
Speaker 7 (08:17):
I will say that it is.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
It's a unique situation because if you're booking this for
Luca in your ESPN or ABC, like in advance Dug
to your point, you're thinking it's a two to one
series or a one to two series, right right, and
so that's likely your expectation. But the other thing is
is who's all who do they all want to talk
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with on the MAVs. So you're basically it's either Kyrie
or Luca or you know, I think that would be
it in terms of scheduling it. I don't know how
many they've done with Luca before, but they could have
asked them basketball questions even if they're down three to zero,
Can you guys do the impossible?
Speaker 7 (09:00):
Can you do? You know? What do you need to do? Like?
Speaker 6 (09:05):
All of those things still would be fair game down
three on the series, but they took the opportunity to
try to clean up Luca's reputation after one of their
own eviscerated him on ESPN after the game that everybody
was talking about that.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Was really interesting, right, And I said this yesterday, Dan,
I just I don't think when you heard it's in
entirety it didn't sound it sounded respectful of him, but man,
it was. That was definitely for Windhorse, who is again
his role is as an insider and he does give
some opinion, but that was opinion his stuff portanline analyst stuff,
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and that was that was definitely a step aside from role.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
And I don't know, It's just it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I don't remember anybody ever being critical of Dirk's defense.
Granted he never reached the finals and lost. I don't believe, right,
did they ever reach the finals and lose?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
They would lose in the first round.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
That was kind of what you were getting at last hour,
Jason with comparing this Mavericks team to the Dirks Mavericks team.
Has they had that one run and then there was
a lot of first round losses.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I get that, but that was.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
Six as well when they lost to the Heat.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
That's right with Dwayne Wade, right, Yeah, in Shack.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yep, whind Horse sounded like every one of US has
one of those buddies. Maybe we're at the Vegas Sportsbook
or something that just lost about yes and that ninety.
I'm not saying he got on the game. I don't
even know if it's legal for him to bound the game,
but like, there was some vitriol there that wasn't just
an opinion. There was something personal there, and I'd love
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to get behind that. I mean, that was one of
the all time rants. And I think you could argue
you make the point that he's not necessarily an opinions
or he's an insider. I think they they use him
as an opinion guy because he's on first take and
all that. Like you don't see wo Janowski going on
first take unless he's breaking news, but Windhorse is like
a regular, so I think at least he thinks he's
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an opinion guy.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
He does.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
That's that's the problem with that show when they have
it on a daily basis, is it blurs the lines.
And and maybe that doesn't matter anymore to most people,
but I do think that when you're an inside and
you're trying to get information, it matters because people be
like I'm going to get information, like you're gonna go
and kill Kill my Dude on TV, Kill my Dude
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on TV.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
And you make the point. I mean, they're the rights holder.
It's just it for to have your an employee of
a network that's promoting the series go off like that. Again,
that's it just seems so out of pocket, it is.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
It felt like, do he lose money on the game
or you know, obviously he's always gotten great information from
from Lebron's camp. You know, is there some bitterness there
which which causes him to be an extra over the top,
I'm not sure. Or was he just passionate about the
game and thought the Mavericks had a chance and then
he's like, how can he be so stupid to play
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this way?
Speaker 6 (12:10):
So I would like to know how they get out
to these leads in the first quarter, then the first
time out comes and then.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
It's all downhill from there.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
This is you know, a few years ago, and the
Mavericks were trying to make their way, Like I remember
the Mavericks and Clippers were having their little rivalry.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
Luca would go off.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
He would have like, you know, thirty in the first half,
and we'd all be going crazy.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
It's Lucamnia. And then he'd be.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
So gassed and everybody was out out of energy, and
the Clippers had just come back and they'd win and
they'd end up you know, they ended up winning the series.
But this is you know what, Dallas jumps out to
an early lead and then Boston just whether's whatever storm
it is, pulls, you know, close near the end of
the first quarter, if not leads, and then ends up
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taking it, you know, from there a little while longer.
You know, I ran away with him in the third
quarter in Game three. But instead we're talking about Luca
filing out and crying about the calls.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. You guys
all seem to have a negative view of Luca, right,
is it?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Is it? Do we? Do you consider him? Dan Byer?
Would you consider him just annoying? No?
Speaker 7 (13:29):
I don't. I actually I don't. That's that's far from it.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Okay, I'm glad I asked what what is? Let me
let me ask a more fair question. What is your uh,
what's what's your view of Luca?
Speaker 7 (13:41):
So here's an overall thought process.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
And it's funny that we're talking about this and not
to make this about me, but a couple of weeks
ago on my Sunday show, Doug Kerry Rhodes and I
talked about Anthony Edwards and when Anthony Edwards was getting
gassed in the Western Conference Finals, and the point that
I made was all of ant stuff over the past
couple of years, of joking about his diet and liking
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Popeyes and stuff that doesn't sit.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
Well when you're gassed.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
You know, at the ends of games, and of games
one and two in the Western Conference Finals, you have
to kind of start to take things seriously. And at
that point, I said, Luca right now, like, if this
was Luca, and I think Kerry even said this, if
if Luca was the one in this situation, we'd be like, man,
he seems to be a bit out of shape again,
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loves to go and you know, smoke Kuka and do
all that stuff. That that would be fair game. And
I think now this performance in the finals and his
attitude brings that into play.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
Like I do.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
I love Luca and I think that he will be,
you know, one of the faces of the NBA. He'll
win multiple MVPs in his career. I believe that's going
to happen. But I do think at some point, you
kind of have to become a real, real professional, and
right now it is showing that he is not with
his antics and other factors that maybe come to health
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and being that professional and reaching his true max potential.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Other factors being that he doesn't play any defense.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Yeah, okay, just even being in you know, but being.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
In shape is the bit is a big is a
big thing.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, you know, it is weird that he's coming in
really good shape and then seemingly falling out of shape
during the season where you know, Shaq was famous for
coming in out of shape and then playing his way
into shape. Like one would think playing that many minutes
in that many games, you'd be in pretty good shape.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
But he's not.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
You know, you know who I point to, Remember Mellow
for Mellow is mellow for so long and then all
of a sudden he like got into shape.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
You're like, whoa, Yes, Jolkicic, same thing.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Remember all of a sudden Yolkic became Like I think
that's what that's what Luca needs to do. So I
think this is part of just an even more of
a bigger picture when it comes to Luca. I think
if they weren't being swept and if this was an
even series or they lost in six or seven games.
A lot of this stuff isn't being talked about, but
they're about to be bounced. He looked awful in Game three,
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both complaining and on defense, and now it becomes the
only thing we talk about because that's it's a foregone
conclusion that Boston's probably gonna get championship number eighteen.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
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I think this thing gets extended.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I just do.
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Stuck Gotlip show here on Fox Sports Radio. I don't
want to keep him waiting. Let's just talk some ball,
shall we. Mark stein joins us. He's an NBA insider.
Of course, he publishes a substack called the Steinline. He
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Show on Fox Sports Radio. I'm not understating it and
I'm saying it Mark, as you know, out of respect.
Everybody has organizations that they are more connected with than others,
and the Mavericks is one in which you've always been
dialed into. So give me your sense of their internal
feelings about Luca and not just the play on offense,
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the play on defense and some of the things that
have taken place in the series. Because the outside voices
are acting as if his defense, the fouling out, the
theatrics with the officials are a red flag. Is that
mirrored inside those their offices.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I can't imagine it's gonna surprise you to share with
you this. No, the Mavericks do not see. It's the
way the outside world sees. And you know, off of
one game, and look, you know, Luca most certainly did
not cover himself in glory at the defensive end, the
way he interacted with the referees, all that stuff. I mean,
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obviously it was a more than sub par night on
those fronts. But look, everything gets magnified by twenty five
times in the finals. But to me, it's just it's
been way too much, way too much focus on one game.
You know, talk that this is going to change his legacy,
and you know, of course the Mavericks would love him
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to be playing better team defense. But I think in Dallas,
you know, it's looked at differently from the perspective of
a This is the guy who got them here, right,
They beat three fifty win teams just to get to
the finals. The West was absolutely sacked and the Mavericks
got through it. So one bad game, you know, mistakes,
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I mean, four fouls in a quarter. I still can't
believe it. I was sitting five feet away from the
whistles and I still can't believe it. But you know,
there are certainly areas for improvement, and I think we've
seen in the past that bad performances or off or
criticized performances on this stage du lead to down the
road improvement. But he's twenty five, and you know, this
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to me doesn't define anything. This series is much more
about Boston and what the Celtics are doing. I mean,
Luca was still plus nine in Game three, with any
array of highlights that you want to bring together to
point out his defensive deficiencies are. Their issues have been
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much more at the offensive ends, and Boston to me,
just deserves a ton of credit. You know, we've talked
all these long about how good defensively Minnesota is. I
think we've for got how good Boston is. And you know,
based clearly on the eye test. Yeah, I have not
seen any team that makes Dallas work as hard as
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they have been, who can take away all the corner
threes and the lobs and Lucas still getting his points
and Kyrie got his points in Game three, but they
are having to work super hard to do it. So
you know, again, for me, this series is much more
about what the Celtics have done and did it in
Game three without Porzingis, who so many of us thought
was really the X factor and difference maker. And I
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think going into Game three the Celtics were plus twenty
five with Porzingis off the floor and even without him,
and it didn't even matter to them that they didn't
have it in Game three.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Uh, Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Give me the coach, give me the coach perspective. What
do you see? I mean, you're watching it from thirty
thousand feet, but what do you think?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Oh, I'm glad you pointed out like I'm with you.
I mean, I it's really weird, Like, yes, he complains
a lot, okay, but he also when he gets called
for a foul that he committed, he'll go he'll point
out that it's my felt like he's he's just he's
he's kind of a euro That's kind of how he is.
It's really weird, Like everybody forgets how annoying Tim Duncan was.
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Tim Duncan complained about every foul call as well.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
To be clear, he has to improve in that, like
he has.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
No no, no question, no question.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Way too far on occasion with that, and Games three
is one of those occasions. But I'm not gonna sit
here and say his defense is the end of the world,
you know, a disaster and you know everything wrong with
the Dolls. It's just not true. I mean, yes, he is,
he is a defensive liability, and he's going to have
to work on his conditioning too so he can have
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more in the tank at the end of games. But yes,
and this guy got this team there, and nobody had
the Mavericks making the finals, Like, who do you know
this said the Dallas Mavericks is going to win the
West of the Number.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Actually that was is kind of my point.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I mean, look, I view this as like Lebron's first
finals with the Caps. You know where we're gonna look
back and go, can you believe Lebron got Booby Gibson
to the finals?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Right? Like Derek Jones.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Come on, man, you know Derek Lively as a rookie
and oh yeah, by the way, some of it is
all the strength of Gafford and Lively is protecting the rim,
and some of that by design, like he doesn't want
to let guys go around him, but when they do
go around him, he goes and fly switches and picks
up a guy and you're supposed to funnel him to
Lively or to Gaffard. Well, the difference is with the Celtics,
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they don't have anybody in the paint, right, so you
got to run out to the corners and the rim
protection doesn't matter as much. So there's a there's an
X and O component, there's a matchup component to it,
and I agree, Like the thing that I'm most concerned
about is, like I thought, we've been down this road
of conditioning being an issue in the past, and you know,
every off season we see some we see some video
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of him running in getting into great shape and how
does he get into worst shape as the season goes on.
That that's the part where it's got to be diet
wise or drinking or whatever. But but he and I
know he's banged up as well. That's the only part
that gives me pause. I thought, the like, I can't
believe they fouled out the best player on the floor.
Like I just on to two kind of collision plays
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where you could just let him play without.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
That is he took two really dumb fouls too that
come back to haunt you. But yeah, I mean four
fouls in the fourth quarter. I mean, when do you
ever see a star ring up four fouls in the
fourth quarter? Like it just it, you know, it doesn't happen.
So but look, you mentioned Lebron's first finals. You know,
to me, the more applicable example is his second finals,
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when you know he had such a nightmare against Dallas
and like, imagine had we said at the time, this
is going to define Lebron's legacy. I mean, you know,
Luca has time and will have chances to rebound from this,
because look, I certainly don't expect you know, we know
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no team has ever come back from three to zero
and we just haven't had any hints of an indication
that the MAVs are going to be the first one
to do it. But you know, he's twenty five. This
is you know this, this is not It's way too
soon to be talking legacy.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Right wait, wait, way too soon? Way wait wait, way
too soon. But I here's the other part to it.
Like you mentioned about the Celtics, I got to tell you,
I think it's about Brad Stevens, like putting together this team,
making some hard decisions, you know, parting ways with Marcus Smart,
but then bringing aboard perzingis you know what they've been
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able to do with Drew Holiday, I mean, heck, I
mean handing over.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
There with you. I wrote it, he wrote. I wrote
a huge piece about it Monday. I mean, you know,
we've been talking so much lately about Dan Hurley and
could he make the jump from college coaching the NBA
coaching had he decided to take a Lakers job. Brad
Stevens coached, He went from college to the NBA and
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coached I don't know, six seven, eight years. He's a
better GM than he's been a coach. I mean, he
has his run as GM has been absolutely outstanding. There
are only three Executive of the Year winners in Celtics history,
Red Auerback, Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens. And Stevens has
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earned every bit of it with move after move after
moves that he's made. And you know what in his
basketball past would have told you that he was going
to be such a good executive. But the move for
him to replace Age, leave the bench and become an executive,
I mean, he's on an absolute heater with the string
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of moves he's made. I mean, you know, it wasn't
you know, they got for Zingis and that wasn't easy
because they had to give up Marcus Smart and you
know the holiday obviously, you know anybody would have done
that move in a second given the chance. But you know,
he's made some difficult you know, the Porzingis one was
a difficult one and an emotional one, and there was
criticism and skepticism. And he's just had a fantastic impact
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in the front office.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
No, Mark Stein, right, Mark Stein, He's got a substack.
And of course this League un Cut is a tremendous
podcast team. Chris Haynes have it, okay, I know how
it works for the NBA Finals. Everybody's chattering about the
Lakers thing. What's the reality, right, you got yeah, woes,
you got shams?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
What what? What? What really took place? And what's really
going to happen?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Well, listen, I mean Hurley was offered the job like
this was not some made up thing. If Dan Hurley says, yes,
he's the Lakers coach. So, I mean, we know that
JJ Reddick and James Barrago have been at the forefront
of this search for weeks now, but the Lakers did
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make the decision to go in a different direction and
throw a significant offer at Danny Hurley that he decided
to pass on. And look, I think I told you
this the last time we discussed it. I am no
college basketball expert. I don't know Dan Hurley. I haven't
met him, but based on everything that I've heard about him,
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I'm not surprised that he chose to stay in his
college empire. And I know this week he's been on
a bit of a media tour trying to say he
didn't need the Laker job for leverage, and I tend
to believe that too. I mean, was there any doubt
that Yukon was going to make him the highest stayed
coach in the college game. He just won two championships,
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He's going for three in a row. I mean, he
is the number one guy in the college game right now.
So I don't think he needed this offer to but
made Yukon's step off.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, but I thought when he said, you know, I mean, look,
everybody's got ann And when I read into it and
tell me if I'm wrong, is he had the expectations
of one hundred million dollar offer and it ends up
being seventy. It feels like he went out there and
the the take.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It or leave it offer.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
If it was one hundred, he would have taken it,
And because it was seventy, I was like, eh, I
think I'm good.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, And look there are there is still much more
to learn, and I you know, I still have more
reporting to do to find out why did the offer
pop out at seventy Why didn't the Lakers go farther?
But I you know, the conspiracy theory notion that the
Lakers just went for Hurley to make their process look
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more thorough. I don't think it helps them to go
after Hurley and not get it. I think it's a
huge hit for them. To go after Hurley and not
get him. There's already going to be incredible pressure on
Reddick or Barago or whoever gets this job. Now they
have to do it with the percent know that they
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were the second choice at best. I don't think that
makes their job any easier. So I don't like. I
just I don't buy the notion that just by going
after Hurley, the Lakers did themselves a solid in the
perception stakes. I really don't like when they went for him.
My thought was, A, this makes sense because of hurley credentials,
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but b they better get him. They better bring this
thing to the finish line. And it didn't happen. And
I don't think people in the college game were surprised
that Hurley chose to stay. Maybe you're right, maybe had
the offer been richer, maybe he would have gone. But
it's it's the Lakers. Yeah, I mean, they still don't
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have a coach, and it isn't clear when you talk
to people around in the league what direction they're going
to go.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Now crazy stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Sonny, you're the best I know. You got the game tonight.
Hopefully it's not the last NBA game in the season.
Either way, I encourage everybody to read a sub stack
called the Steinline and listen to this League Uncut with
fellow insider Chris Haynes. Find it where you find all
your best podcasts. Mark, enjoy the game night. We'll talk soon,
we'll do it.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
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Speaker 1 (30:16):
So I'm gonna say it was about gosh, I'm so
old now. Fourteen years ago or so, I was at
ESPN and I was walking out of the studio and
in was walking low Wayne and he was with Skip,
and he stopped me and he was like, Doug gottli Man,
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I love your show. I love everything you do. I
was like, really, you know, it was really cool. And
I talked for about a half hour with Lowayne and
exchange numbers and every once in a while exchange texts
and we see each other. And I assume that's why
you're playing that playing that is rejoin music there, Sammy,
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it's a secret.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
We should go to the press.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Oh, we should go to the press. Let's go the press.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
The press.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
All right, it's a secret, let's go to the press.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
What's up, d I don't know if it's much of
a secret, if it's being sent out to millions across
the world. But they wondered what the Doug Gottlieb effect
would be on Green Bay Phoenix basketball, and we.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
Just found a great example. What's up to you here, man, Listen.
Speaker 9 (31:28):
I just want to say congratulations to my bro, Doug
ee G. Doug gotta leave the new head coach of
the men's basketball team at University of Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
To Green Bay.
Speaker 9 (31:38):
You dub GB. You got Doug GB, and you got
a new fan. So to the alumni, the student at least,
the community, the whole Wisconsin, the whole Green Bay, the players, everybody,
the families of the players, the families of the students, everybody, everybody.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
You got your coach, man, Dougie G.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
You got your coach man for real, for real.
Speaker 9 (32:01):
All I know about Dougie G is basketball.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
And no know is basketball.
Speaker 9 (32:06):
And now all I know about dougie G.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
Is U Doug GB basketball.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
It's pretty awesome, prity, pretty awesome.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Hey, Doug. Yeah, how much did you pay him on
cameo to do that?
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Oh my god, it's funny. Oh that is really really
really funny.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
I paid reds from Shahza Sunset three hundred dollars. And
here's his message to Doug for getting the job at
Green Bay. Kidding sound I thing isn't on anymore. So
it's been a few years. I think it's over with.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Let's get freak me out.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Dan.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
I was like, I don't have this.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
Uh that was you knew about that clip though, you
didn't know that we were gonna play it, But you
knew about it, you were I didn't.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I mean I'd seen it right when my shows.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I mean I've seen it right before my show started
and before the show started, and I had no I
did not know you're going to play it. And then
I heard the Rejo music. I just thought you were
gonna reference it was all that's really cool.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
It is in the system.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Hopefully you can bring some championships and championships in some
rings to the Green Bay Phoenix. The Kansas City Chiefs
got their rings for winning Super Bowl fifty eight last night.
There's just one small little problem. Sure, there's five hundred
and twenty nine diamonds on that bad boy, but there
is one glaring mistake when they got the seed number
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wrong of the Miami Dolphins on the inside of the
ring talking about their road to the Super Bowl. In parentheses,
they put the seeds of each of the teams they beat.
Buffalo was a two seed, Baltimore one seed, the forty
nine Ers are one seed, but the Dolphins were a
six seed. However, the Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl rings
say that the Dolphins were a seven seed.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
That is not correct.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
That would be the Pittsburgh Steelers who lost to the
second seed Buffalo Bills in the wild card.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That's one of those like, you're just trying to like,
what is the point of the seeds. I don't understand
that me either, why And of course you end up
you end up shrewing it up because you try to
be too too cute, right.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Yes, And the funny thing is is, in most brackets,
two does play seven, you know, right, you know it's
a two seven matchup one versus eight. If all the
seeds hold in the NCAA tournament, you know you got
the you got an opportunity for a two to seven
matchup in that second round. But because there are only
fourteen teams that not sixteen, that's what changes the bracket
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and moves it off. So yeah, I thought it was.
I thought it was pretty pretty interesting because the Chiefs
were a three seed in the Uh, actually, you know what,
I'm going to shut up because I was actually wrong
on that.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
So honestly, like, honestly doesn't matter. They screwed out.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
We don't have to like it's just a dumb It's
one of those that I'm sure somebody was like, what
do you guys think of like putting the seeds, and
they're like, that's a great idea. Sure, you know, I
was doing something, was on my phone. I didn't hear
what you said.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
I just went on thirty seconds and then realized, wait,
I'm wrong.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
I'm the idiot. Wouldn't be the first time do you
guys hear about Bill Belichick? No, he is a taken man.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
According to TMZ, Bill Belichick is now dating former competitive
cheerleader Jordan Hudson. This seventy two year old Belichick and
the twenty four year old Hudson no Matt's. A few
years ago on a flight. TMZ says they bonded over
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a philosophy project that she had been working on at school.
They stayed friendly and recently after the twenty twenty two season.
This is according to tm Z, Belichick and Hudson became
more than friends after Belichick broke up with his longtime girlfriend.
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So Bill Belichick four yes, and they have been out
and spotted in some public arenas.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Remember during the roast, didn't they reference him with a
twenty some odd year rold in.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
A in a video? I don't really care about that.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
And then TMZ went on and showed the actual video.
He's like walking out of a college student's apartment.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Or oh yeah, yeah, right? Was that was that her place?
I think somebody else's place. That was the ring, That
was the ring ring, doorbell, Yes, but something else.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
TMZ is has confirmed Bill Belichick has moved. He's moved
on from Cincinnati as well. He is moving back to
Tonatiuh he is. He's off the market, by the way,
for anybody else that is interested. And I mentioned Jane
Daniels getting the contract from the Washington Commanders. His rookie
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deal is done at the US Open tiger Woods right now,
dancing around the cut line, he is at plus five.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
That's where the projected cut is.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
Ludwig Oldberg and Patrick Cantley currently have the lead at
five under par and Doug that is the.
Speaker 7 (37:26):
Press, get out there and pressed.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
That was the press, all right. That concludes a pretty
good week for your boy.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
The end of the Bonus podcast is available at the
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Speaker 2 (37:37):
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Speaker 2 (00:40):
Hope you're doing really really well.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Getting ready for a great sports weekend tonight. We may
we may have the last we may have the last
NBA game of the year. I'm we here definitely in danger,
definitely in danger of seeing a sweep and seeing the
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end of a basketball season. And I guess maybe in danger.
We talked about like it's ominous. Hey, that'd be a
great celebration for the Celtics, you know, historic franchise returns
the glory wins its eighteenth title, and then you'd have
the Celtics and Lakers both with eighteen apiece.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
That'd be amazing, amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
But before the NBA game tonight yesterday, the Mavericks had
a day off of actual.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Court work in practice.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
So Luca sat down with the ESPN and ABC folks,
and here's Luca answering questions about the situation that he
put his team in by fouling out last night two
nights ago.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
Kyrie said, after the game, you know, what did you
say to Luca?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
And he said, at this point you just kind of
have to give him a hug and tell him it's okay.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
But did you feel like you let your teammates down?
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Yeah, of course, I mean, like I said, you know,
it wasn't the smartest thing to do, especially in this
situation is the finals. You got to give everything little
tie out there. But yeah, you know, the car has
e been great for me just having in one year.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
So what did you say to your teammates afterwards?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
It's my bet, you know, can't do that, especially in
the NBA Finals. You know, record seas it's a little
bit different, but you can't really do that in the finals.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Yeah, he can't really do that in the finals. Now,
I've heard lots of people say, oh, this is spin,
this is damage control. They stuck Luke out there to
do a sit down interview simply because they were trying
to change the narrative and make him what's the word
I'm looking for contrite for his complaining about the officials
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constantly show contrition. And I think a lot of people
maybe don't understand the reality of all this stuff. Those
interviews take place every on those practice days anyway. It's
just like tonight before the game, they'll be a press
conference that they make the coaches do even though the
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game's coming up a night.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
It doesn't make any sense. That's what they do.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
I've heard people be critical of ESPN because they have
these really really short segments and halftime shows. That's because
it's network TV. They have network breaks. It's not like TNT.
They can't go for you know, ten minutes and just talk. Remember,
this is where these networks are trying to make up
all the revenue, and they're going to try and make
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it all up because they may only have four games
instead of seven. So that's why they have those really
dumb segments that are sponsored that are like sixty seconds
long and you can't even breathe to try and speak
and get all your thoughts in.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
That's network TV. What would I know? I worked for.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Network TV for five years. Over for CBS. It's just different.
It's just different. The sit down in interviews are pre planned.
But you don't buy that. Dude, Jay Su is a
conspiracy theorist and he thinks the powers that be made him.
What explained him, Luca explained himself.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Is that what you think?
Speaker 5 (04:08):
Oh, I'm not alone in that. That's what I've I've
read elsewhere too, and I do you So just to
get your take right on this, this was pre planned,
like prior to the series that he's going to do
is sit down with Milika Andrews between games three and four.
Is that what your position is?
Speaker 2 (04:26):
No? I didn't say he's pre planned.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
I said the fact that he will sit down to
do an interview with ESPN the day of a game,
that the day before game, Yes, that's pre planned, But
this specific interview with this specific line of questioning, No,
it's not.
Speaker 5 (04:41):
I mean remember when who was it Jalen Rose sat
down with what's our guy's name with the gun Jamarant
Jamaran and that was like a very coordinated thing where
they had Jaalen asked him like set up questions and
he can clear his name and Milika Andrews questions reek
of that.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Well, you can have problems with the questions, but the
interview itself was pre arranged.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
You know.
Speaker 6 (05:06):
I agree with Jason one hundred percent. That's exactly what
this felt like. That this was the NBA's last opportunity.
So you don't go into an off season thinking that
you're one of your biggest stars and possibly your MVP
next season is just a big whiny cry baby, and
I think that's this is their last opportunity to do it.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
So you you think that the interview itself wasn't planned
and the questions were artificial.
Speaker 6 (05:29):
No oh no, I just said an agreed to hundred
percent with Jason. I believe that the questions were the planned.
I don't care about the scheduling of.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
It, okay, just that the topic of and the tone
of it.
Speaker 6 (05:41):
Yeah, was That's what it was. That's so that's where
I think, and I think that's where Jason was. But
you felt that they it was a late scheduling, which
I don't think really matters.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
I just think that this thing was not scheduled until
after all the fallout from Game three, with Windhorst going
off on him and pretty much the rest of the
broadcast medium doing it. Doug was like the one kind
of voice out there that kind of gave the refs
the deal for it. But I I just think this
was done strategically after Game three.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Okay, all right, then, I'm not one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
With Jason, right, Sorry, you're with Jason in regards to
the line of questioning being kind of cleaning it up
for the end of the season. Yes, okay, that that
I'm I I'm not all the way there, you know,
because again I don't know if the edict came down
from from the NBA. I don't know if that was
from the Mavericks. I don't know what's kind of behind
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it or whether it's even Luca whatever. We also don't
know these interviews, like how much was cut out of it,
what other stuff was there, and that this was just
kind of because he he said, and I say it again,
that means that there was previous questions which he had,
you know, a planned answer for. I just like, again,
this is and here's my experience when I was doing
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you're doing the NCAA tournament, for example, you do there
when you come in and say it's a you have
the Thursday Saturday games. On Wednesday, you get an hour
with each team as they're doing their practices on the court.
It's like speed dating. Then you have the games on Thursday.
Then on Friday. It's actually the best because you get
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the winning teams. Right, there's what four winning teams, and
you get an hour and a half you get I
think you get you get an hour you have their
practice is an hour, and then you get an hour
with each team, like thirty minutes with three players and
thirty minutes with the coach.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
And it's amazing. But it's all pre planned.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
And I would say that the NBA stuff, those interviews
are all pre planned. Now the questioning that might have
been different. And I think I'm pretty reasonable in agreeing
with you guys and going like there's some level of like, yeah,
we don't we don't really want to have a Luca
be you know, Luca has its chance to capture some
pr and admit some faults, and you don't want to
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make it about the officials and just make it about
basketball that part, I can, I can meet you kind
of halfway. I wouldn't do it in the Jason Stewart, Hey,
this was pre arranged. This wasn't pre arranged, and they
just tried to clean some stuff up.
Speaker 7 (08:17):
I will say that it is.
Speaker 6 (08:20):
It's a unique situation because if you're booking this for
Luca in your ESPN or ABC, like in advance Dug
to your point, you're thinking it's a two to one
series or a one to two series, right right, and
so that's likely your expectation. But the other thing is
is who's all who do they all want to talk
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with on the MAVs. So you're basically it's either Kyrie
or Luca or you know, I think that would be
it in terms of scheduling it. I don't know how
many they've done with Luca before, but they could have
asked them basketball questions even if they're down three to zero,
Can you guys do the impossible?
Speaker 7 (09:00):
Can you do? You know? What do you need to do? Like?
Speaker 6 (09:05):
All of those things still would be fair game down
three on the series, but they took the opportunity to
try to clean up Luca's reputation after one of their
own eviscerated him on ESPN after the game that everybody
was talking about that.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
Was really interesting, right, And I said this yesterday, Dan,
I just I don't think when you heard it's in
entirety it didn't sound it sounded respectful of him, but man,
it was. That was definitely for Windhorse, who is again
his role is as an insider and he does give
some opinion, but that was opinion his stuff portanline analyst stuff,
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and that was that was definitely a step aside from role.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
And I don't know, It's just it's fascinating.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
I don't remember anybody ever being critical of Dirk's defense.
Granted he never reached the finals and lost. I don't believe, right,
did they ever reach the finals and lose?
Speaker 2 (09:58):
They would lose in the first round.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
That was kind of what you were getting at last hour,
Jason with comparing this Mavericks team to the Dirks Mavericks team.
Has they had that one run and then there was
a lot of first round losses.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I get that, but that was.
Speaker 7 (10:12):
Six as well when they lost to the Heat.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
That's right with Dwayne Wade, right, Yeah, in Shack.
Speaker 5 (10:21):
Yep, whind Horse sounded like every one of US has
one of those buddies. Maybe we're at the Vegas Sportsbook
or something that just lost about yes and that ninety.
I'm not saying he got on the game. I don't
even know if it's legal for him to bound the game,
but like, there was some vitriol there that wasn't just
an opinion. There was something personal there, and I'd love
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to get behind that. I mean, that was one of
the all time rants. And I think you could argue
you make the point that he's not necessarily an opinions
or he's an insider. I think they they use him
as an opinion guy because he's on first take and
all that. Like you don't see wo Janowski going on
first take unless he's breaking news, but Windhorse is like
a regular, so I think at least he thinks he's
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an opinion guy.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
He does.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
That's that's the problem with that show when they have
it on a daily basis, is it blurs the lines.
And and maybe that doesn't matter anymore to most people,
but I do think that when you're an inside and
you're trying to get information, it matters because people be
like I'm going to get information, like you're gonna go
and kill Kill my Dude on TV, Kill my Dude
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on TV.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
And you make the point. I mean, they're the rights holder.
It's just it for to have your an employee of
a network that's promoting the series go off like that. Again,
that's it just seems so out of pocket, it is.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
It felt like, do he lose money on the game
or you know, obviously he's always gotten great information from
from Lebron's camp. You know, is there some bitterness there
which which causes him to be an extra over the top,
I'm not sure. Or was he just passionate about the
game and thought the Mavericks had a chance and then
he's like, how can he be so stupid to play
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this way?
Speaker 6 (12:10):
So I would like to know how they get out
to these leads in the first quarter, then the first
time out comes and then.
Speaker 7 (12:16):
It's all downhill from there.
Speaker 6 (12:19):
This is you know, a few years ago, and the
Mavericks were trying to make their way, Like I remember
the Mavericks and Clippers were having their little rivalry.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
Luca would go off.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
He would have like, you know, thirty in the first half,
and we'd all be going crazy.
Speaker 7 (12:34):
It's Lucamnia. And then he'd be.
Speaker 6 (12:36):
So gassed and everybody was out out of energy, and
the Clippers had just come back and they'd win and
they'd end up you know, they ended up winning the series.
But this is you know what, Dallas jumps out to
an early lead and then Boston just whether's whatever storm
it is, pulls, you know, close near the end of
the first quarter, if not leads, and then ends up
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taking it, you know, from there a little while longer.
You know, I ran away with him in the third
quarter in Game three. But instead we're talking about Luca
filing out and crying about the calls.
Speaker 1 (13:12):
Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. You guys
all seem to have a negative view of Luca, right,
is it?
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Is it? Do we? Do you consider him? Dan Byer?
Would you consider him just annoying? No?
Speaker 7 (13:29):
I don't. I actually I don't. That's that's far from it.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Okay, I'm glad I asked what what is? Let me
let me ask a more fair question. What is your uh,
what's what's your view of Luca?
Speaker 7 (13:41):
So here's an overall thought process.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
And it's funny that we're talking about this and not
to make this about me, but a couple of weeks
ago on my Sunday show, Doug Kerry Rhodes and I
talked about Anthony Edwards and when Anthony Edwards was getting
gassed in the Western Conference Finals, and the point that
I made was all of ant stuff over the past
couple of years, of joking about his diet and liking
(14:06):
Popeyes and stuff that doesn't sit.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
Well when you're gassed.
Speaker 6 (14:11):
You know, at the ends of games, and of games
one and two in the Western Conference Finals, you have
to kind of start to take things seriously. And at
that point, I said, Luca right now, like, if this
was Luca, and I think Kerry even said this, if
if Luca was the one in this situation, we'd be like, man,
he seems to be a bit out of shape again,
(14:33):
loves to go and you know, smoke Kuka and do
all that stuff. That that would be fair game. And
I think now this performance in the finals and his
attitude brings that into play.
Speaker 7 (14:43):
Like I do.
Speaker 6 (14:44):
I love Luca and I think that he will be,
you know, one of the faces of the NBA. He'll
win multiple MVPs in his career. I believe that's going
to happen. But I do think at some point, you
kind of have to become a real, real professional, and
right now it is showing that he is not with
his antics and other factors that maybe come to health
(15:09):
and being that professional and reaching his true max potential.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
Other factors being that he doesn't play any defense.
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Yeah, okay, just even being in you know, but being.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
In shape is the bit is a big is a
big thing.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, you know, it is weird that he's coming in
really good shape and then seemingly falling out of shape
during the season where you know, Shaq was famous for
coming in out of shape and then playing his way
into shape. Like one would think playing that many minutes
in that many games, you'd be in pretty good shape.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
But he's not.
Speaker 6 (15:40):
You know, you know who I point to, Remember Mellow
for Mellow is mellow for so long and then all
of a sudden he like got into shape.
Speaker 7 (15:47):
You're like, whoa, Yes, Jolkicic, same thing.
Speaker 6 (15:50):
Remember all of a sudden Yolkic became Like I think
that's what that's what Luca needs to do. So I
think this is part of just an even more of
a bigger picture when it comes to Luca. I think
if they weren't being swept and if this was an
even series or they lost in six or seven games.
A lot of this stuff isn't being talked about, but
they're about to be bounced. He looked awful in Game three,
(16:13):
both complaining and on defense, and now it becomes the
only thing we talk about because that's it's a foregone
conclusion that Boston's probably gonna get championship number eighteen.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Fair fair, fairpoint. Doug Gotlib Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I think this thing gets extended.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
I just do.
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Speaker 1 (16:44):
Stuck Gotlip show here on Fox Sports Radio. I don't
want to keep him waiting. Let's just talk some ball,
shall we. Mark stein joins us. He's an NBA insider.
Of course, he publishes a substack called the Steinline. He
co hosts the podcast This League Uncut with fellow insider
Chris Haynes. Find it where you find your podcast. He's
the best Steiny joints us here on the Doug Gottlieb
(17:04):
Show on Fox Sports Radio. I'm not understating it and
I'm saying it Mark, as you know, out of respect.
Everybody has organizations that they are more connected with than others,
and the Mavericks is one in which you've always been
dialed into. So give me your sense of their internal
feelings about Luca and not just the play on offense,
(17:31):
the play on defense and some of the things that
have taken place in the series. Because the outside voices
are acting as if his defense, the fouling out, the
theatrics with the officials are a red flag. Is that
mirrored inside those their offices.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
I can't imagine it's gonna surprise you to share with
you this. No, the Mavericks do not see. It's the
way the outside world sees. And you know, off of
one game, and look, you know, Luca most certainly did
not cover himself in glory at the defensive end, the
way he interacted with the referees, all that stuff. I mean,
(18:14):
obviously it was a more than sub par night on
those fronts. But look, everything gets magnified by twenty five
times in the finals. But to me, it's just it's
been way too much, way too much focus on one game.
You know, talk that this is going to change his legacy,
and you know, of course the Mavericks would love him
(18:36):
to be playing better team defense. But I think in Dallas,
you know, it's looked at differently from the perspective of
a This is the guy who got them here, right,
They beat three fifty win teams just to get to
the finals. The West was absolutely sacked and the Mavericks
got through it. So one bad game, you know, mistakes,
(19:01):
I mean, four fouls in a quarter. I still can't
believe it. I was sitting five feet away from the
whistles and I still can't believe it. But you know,
there are certainly areas for improvement, and I think we've
seen in the past that bad performances or off or
criticized performances on this stage du lead to down the
road improvement. But he's twenty five, and you know, this
(19:25):
to me doesn't define anything. This series is much more
about Boston and what the Celtics are doing. I mean,
Luca was still plus nine in Game three, with any
array of highlights that you want to bring together to
point out his defensive deficiencies are. Their issues have been
(19:48):
much more at the offensive ends, and Boston to me,
just deserves a ton of credit. You know, we've talked
all these long about how good defensively Minnesota is. I
think we've for got how good Boston is. And you know,
based clearly on the eye test. Yeah, I have not
seen any team that makes Dallas work as hard as
(20:10):
they have been, who can take away all the corner
threes and the lobs and Lucas still getting his points
and Kyrie got his points in Game three, but they
are having to work super hard to do it. So
you know, again, for me, this series is much more
about what the Celtics have done and did it in
Game three without Porzingis, who so many of us thought
was really the X factor and difference maker. And I
(20:32):
think going into Game three the Celtics were plus twenty
five with Porzingis off the floor and even without him,
and it didn't even matter to them that they didn't
have it in Game three.
Speaker 1 (20:44):
Uh, Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (20:47):
Give me the coach, give me the coach perspective. What
do you see? I mean, you're watching it from thirty
thousand feet, but what do you think?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Oh, I'm glad you pointed out like I'm with you.
I mean, I it's really weird, Like, yes, he complains
a lot, okay, but he also when he gets called
for a foul that he committed, he'll go he'll point
out that it's my felt like he's he's just he's
he's kind of a euro That's kind of how he is.
It's really weird, Like everybody forgets how annoying Tim Duncan was.
(21:17):
Tim Duncan complained about every foul call as well.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
To be clear, he has to improve in that, like
he has.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
No no, no question, no question.
Speaker 3 (21:24):
Way too far on occasion with that, and Games three
is one of those occasions. But I'm not gonna sit
here and say his defense is the end of the world,
you know, a disaster and you know everything wrong with
the Dolls. It's just not true. I mean, yes, he is,
he is a defensive liability, and he's going to have
to work on his conditioning too so he can have
(21:46):
more in the tank at the end of games. But yes,
and this guy got this team there, and nobody had
the Mavericks making the finals, Like, who do you know
this said the Dallas Mavericks is going to win the
West of the Number.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Actually that was is kind of my point.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
I mean, look, I view this as like Lebron's first
finals with the Caps. You know where we're gonna look
back and go, can you believe Lebron got Booby Gibson
to the finals?
Speaker 2 (22:12):
Right? Like Derek Jones.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Come on, man, you know Derek Lively as a rookie
and oh yeah, by the way, some of it is
all the strength of Gafford and Lively is protecting the rim,
and some of that by design, like he doesn't want
to let guys go around him, but when they do
go around him, he goes and fly switches and picks
up a guy and you're supposed to funnel him to
Lively or to Gaffard. Well, the difference is with the Celtics,
(22:36):
they don't have anybody in the paint, right, so you
got to run out to the corners and the rim
protection doesn't matter as much. So there's a there's an
X and O component, there's a matchup component to it,
and I agree, Like the thing that I'm most concerned
about is, like I thought, we've been down this road
of conditioning being an issue in the past, and you know,
every off season we see some we see some video
(22:59):
of him running in getting into great shape and how
does he get into worst shape as the season goes on.
That that's the part where it's got to be diet
wise or drinking or whatever. But but he and I
know he's banged up as well. That's the only part
that gives me pause. I thought, the like, I can't
believe they fouled out the best player on the floor.
Like I just on to two kind of collision plays
(23:19):
where you could just let him play without.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
That is he took two really dumb fouls too that
come back to haunt you. But yeah, I mean four
fouls in the fourth quarter. I mean, when do you
ever see a star ring up four fouls in the
fourth quarter? Like it just it, you know, it doesn't happen.
So but look, you mentioned Lebron's first finals. You know,
to me, the more applicable example is his second finals,
(23:44):
when you know he had such a nightmare against Dallas
and like, imagine had we said at the time, this
is going to define Lebron's legacy. I mean, you know,
Luca has time and will have chances to rebound from this,
because look, I certainly don't expect you know, we know
(24:04):
no team has ever come back from three to zero
and we just haven't had any hints of an indication
that the MAVs are going to be the first one
to do it. But you know, he's twenty five. This
is you know this, this is not It's way too
soon to be talking legacy.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
Right wait, wait, way too soon? Way wait wait, way
too soon. But I here's the other part to it.
Like you mentioned about the Celtics, I got to tell you,
I think it's about Brad Stevens, like putting together this team,
making some hard decisions, you know, parting ways with Marcus Smart,
but then bringing aboard perzingis you know what they've been
(24:43):
able to do with Drew Holiday, I mean, heck, I
mean handing over.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
There with you. I wrote it, he wrote. I wrote
a huge piece about it Monday. I mean, you know,
we've been talking so much lately about Dan Hurley and
could he make the jump from college coaching the NBA
coaching had he decided to take a Lakers job. Brad
Stevens coached, He went from college to the NBA and
(25:08):
coached I don't know, six seven, eight years. He's a
better GM than he's been a coach. I mean, he
has his run as GM has been absolutely outstanding. There
are only three Executive of the Year winners in Celtics history,
Red Auerback, Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens. And Stevens has
(25:29):
earned every bit of it with move after move after
moves that he's made. And you know what in his
basketball past would have told you that he was going
to be such a good executive. But the move for
him to replace Age, leave the bench and become an executive,
I mean, he's on an absolute heater with the string
(25:53):
of moves he's made. I mean, you know, it wasn't
you know, they got for Zingis and that wasn't easy
because they had to give up Marcus Smart and you
know the holiday obviously, you know anybody would have done
that move in a second given the chance. But you know,
he's made some difficult you know, the Porzingis one was
a difficult one and an emotional one, and there was
criticism and skepticism. And he's just had a fantastic impact
(26:17):
in the front office.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
No, Mark Stein, right, Mark Stein, He's got a substack.
And of course this League un Cut is a tremendous
podcast team. Chris Haynes have it, okay, I know how
it works for the NBA Finals. Everybody's chattering about the
Lakers thing. What's the reality, right, you got yeah, woes,
you got shams?
Speaker 2 (26:33):
What what? What? What really took place? And what's really
going to happen?
Speaker 3 (26:38):
Well, listen, I mean Hurley was offered the job like
this was not some made up thing. If Dan Hurley says, yes,
he's the Lakers coach. So, I mean, we know that
JJ Reddick and James Barrago have been at the forefront
of this search for weeks now, but the Lakers did
(27:00):
make the decision to go in a different direction and
throw a significant offer at Danny Hurley that he decided
to pass on. And look, I think I told you
this the last time we discussed it. I am no
college basketball expert. I don't know Dan Hurley. I haven't
met him, but based on everything that I've heard about him,
(27:23):
I'm not surprised that he chose to stay in his
college empire. And I know this week he's been on
a bit of a media tour trying to say he
didn't need the Laker job for leverage, and I tend
to believe that too. I mean, was there any doubt
that Yukon was going to make him the highest stayed
coach in the college game. He just won two championships,
(27:44):
He's going for three in a row. I mean, he
is the number one guy in the college game right now.
So I don't think he needed this offer to but
made Yukon's step off.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
Yeah, but I thought when he said, you know, I mean, look,
everybody's got ann And when I read into it and
tell me if I'm wrong, is he had the expectations
of one hundred million dollar offer and it ends up
being seventy. It feels like he went out there and
the the take.
Speaker 2 (28:11):
It or leave it offer.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
If it was one hundred, he would have taken it,
And because it was seventy, I was like, eh, I
think I'm good.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Yeah, And look there are there is still much more
to learn, and I you know, I still have more
reporting to do to find out why did the offer
pop out at seventy Why didn't the Lakers go farther?
But I you know, the conspiracy theory notion that the
Lakers just went for Hurley to make their process look
(28:40):
more thorough. I don't think it helps them to go
after Hurley and not get it. I think it's a
huge hit for them. To go after Hurley and not
get him. There's already going to be incredible pressure on
Reddick or Barago or whoever gets this job. Now they
have to do it with the percent know that they
(29:00):
were the second choice at best. I don't think that
makes their job any easier. So I don't like. I
just I don't buy the notion that just by going
after Hurley, the Lakers did themselves a solid in the
perception stakes. I really don't like when they went for him.
My thought was, A, this makes sense because of hurley credentials,
(29:22):
but b they better get him. They better bring this
thing to the finish line. And it didn't happen. And
I don't think people in the college game were surprised
that Hurley chose to stay. Maybe you're right, maybe had
the offer been richer, maybe he would have gone. But
it's it's the Lakers. Yeah, I mean, they still don't
(29:43):
have a coach, and it isn't clear when you talk
to people around in the league what direction they're going
to go.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Now crazy stuff.
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Sonny, you're the best I know. You got the game tonight.
Hopefully it's not the last NBA game in the season.
Either way, I encourage everybody to read a sub stack
called the Steinline and listen to this League Uncut with
fellow insider Chris Haynes. Find it where you find all
your best podcasts. Mark, enjoy the game night. We'll talk soon,
we'll do it.
Speaker 8 (30:07):
Be sure to catch the live edition of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific.
Speaker 1 (30:16):
So I'm gonna say it was about gosh, I'm so
old now. Fourteen years ago or so, I was at
ESPN and I was walking out of the studio and
in was walking low Wayne and he was with Skip,
and he stopped me and he was like, Doug gottli Man,
(30:39):
I love your show. I love everything you do. I
was like, really, you know, it was really cool. And
I talked for about a half hour with Lowayne and
exchange numbers and every once in a while exchange texts
and we see each other. And I assume that's why
you're playing that playing that is rejoin music there, Sammy,
(31:00):
it's a secret.
Speaker 7 (31:01):
We should go to the press.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
Oh, we should go to the press. Let's go the press.
Speaker 8 (31:06):
The press.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
All right, it's a secret, let's go to the press.
Speaker 6 (31:11):
What's up, d I don't know if it's much of
a secret, if it's being sent out to millions across
the world. But they wondered what the Doug Gottlieb effect
would be on Green Bay Phoenix basketball, and we.
Speaker 7 (31:23):
Just found a great example. What's up to you here, man, Listen.
Speaker 9 (31:28):
I just want to say congratulations to my bro, Doug
ee G. Doug gotta leave the new head coach of
the men's basketball team at University of Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
To Green Bay.
Speaker 9 (31:38):
You dub GB. You got Doug GB, and you got
a new fan. So to the alumni, the student at least,
the community, the whole Wisconsin, the whole Green Bay, the players, everybody,
the families of the players, the families of the students, everybody, everybody.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
You got your coach, man, Dougie G.
Speaker 7 (31:59):
You got your coach man for real, for real.
Speaker 9 (32:01):
All I know about Dougie G is basketball.
Speaker 7 (32:04):
And no know is basketball.
Speaker 9 (32:06):
And now all I know about dougie G.
Speaker 7 (32:08):
Is U Doug GB basketball.
Speaker 2 (32:13):
It's pretty awesome, prity, pretty awesome.
Speaker 5 (32:18):
Hey, Doug. Yeah, how much did you pay him on
cameo to do that?
Speaker 2 (32:27):
Oh my god, it's funny. Oh that is really really
really funny.
Speaker 6 (32:33):
I paid reds from Shahza Sunset three hundred dollars. And
here's his message to Doug for getting the job at
Green Bay. Kidding sound I thing isn't on anymore. So
it's been a few years. I think it's over with.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
Let's get freak me out.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Dan.
Speaker 7 (32:50):
I was like, I don't have this.
Speaker 6 (32:54):
Uh that was you knew about that clip though, you
didn't know that we were gonna play it, But you
knew about it, you were I didn't.
Speaker 2 (33:01):
I mean I'd seen it right when my shows.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
I mean I've seen it right before my show started
and before the show started, and I had no I
did not know you're going to play it. And then
I heard the Rejo music. I just thought you were
gonna reference it was all that's really cool.
Speaker 7 (33:16):
It is in the system.
Speaker 6 (33:18):
Hopefully you can bring some championships and championships in some
rings to the Green Bay Phoenix. The Kansas City Chiefs
got their rings for winning Super Bowl fifty eight last night.
There's just one small little problem. Sure, there's five hundred
and twenty nine diamonds on that bad boy, but there
is one glaring mistake when they got the seed number
(33:42):
wrong of the Miami Dolphins on the inside of the
ring talking about their road to the Super Bowl. In parentheses,
they put the seeds of each of the teams they beat.
Buffalo was a two seed, Baltimore one seed, the forty
nine Ers are one seed, but the Dolphins were a
six seed. However, the Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl rings
say that the Dolphins were a seven seed.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
That is not correct.
Speaker 6 (34:04):
That would be the Pittsburgh Steelers who lost to the
second seed Buffalo Bills in the wild card.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
That's one of those like, you're just trying to like,
what is the point of the seeds. I don't understand
that me either, why And of course you end up
you end up shrewing it up because you try to
be too too cute, right.
Speaker 6 (34:22):
Yes, And the funny thing is is, in most brackets,
two does play seven, you know, right, you know it's
a two seven matchup one versus eight. If all the
seeds hold in the NCAA tournament, you know you got
the you got an opportunity for a two to seven
matchup in that second round. But because there are only
fourteen teams that not sixteen, that's what changes the bracket
(34:45):
and moves it off. So yeah, I thought it was.
I thought it was pretty pretty interesting because the Chiefs
were a three seed in the Uh, actually, you know what,
I'm going to shut up because I was actually wrong
on that.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
So honestly, like, honestly doesn't matter. They screwed out.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
We don't have to like it's just a dumb It's
one of those that I'm sure somebody was like, what
do you guys think of like putting the seeds, and
they're like, that's a great idea. Sure, you know, I
was doing something, was on my phone. I didn't hear
what you said.
Speaker 6 (35:15):
I just went on thirty seconds and then realized, wait,
I'm wrong.
Speaker 7 (35:19):
I'm the idiot. Wouldn't be the first time do you
guys hear about Bill Belichick? No, he is a taken man.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
According to TMZ, Bill Belichick is now dating former competitive
cheerleader Jordan Hudson. This seventy two year old Belichick and
the twenty four year old Hudson no Matt's. A few
years ago on a flight. TMZ says they bonded over
(35:49):
a philosophy project that she had been working on at school.
They stayed friendly and recently after the twenty twenty two season.
This is according to tm Z, Belichick and Hudson became
more than friends after Belichick broke up with his longtime girlfriend.
(36:09):
So Bill Belichick four yes, and they have been out
and spotted in some public arenas.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
Remember during the roast, didn't they reference him with a
twenty some odd year rold in.
Speaker 7 (36:29):
A in a video? I don't really care about that.
Speaker 5 (36:31):
And then TMZ went on and showed the actual video.
He's like walking out of a college student's apartment.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Or oh yeah, yeah, right? Was that was that her place?
I think somebody else's place. That was the ring, That
was the ring ring, doorbell, Yes, but something else.
Speaker 6 (36:49):
TMZ is has confirmed Bill Belichick has moved. He's moved
on from Cincinnati as well. He is moving back to
Tonatiuh he is. He's off the market, by the way,
for anybody else that is interested. And I mentioned Jane
Daniels getting the contract from the Washington Commanders. His rookie
(37:12):
deal is done at the US Open tiger Woods right now,
dancing around the cut line, he is at plus five.
Speaker 7 (37:18):
That's where the projected cut is.
Speaker 6 (37:20):
Ludwig Oldberg and Patrick Cantley currently have the lead at
five under par and Doug that is the.
Speaker 7 (37:26):
Press, get out there and pressed.
Speaker 2 (37:29):
That was the press, all right. That concludes a pretty
good week for your boy.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
The end of the Bonus podcast is available at the
top of the hour.
Speaker 2 (37:37):
I think you'll like it.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
And remember, if somebody wins a popularity contest, sometimes it's
just because they're more popular than you, not because of
some outside factors. Right that little teaser ahead for the podcast.
Have yourself a great weekend. I think we're going to
have another NBA Finals game. Let's see tonight. This is
Doug Gotlib Show, Happy Father's Day, Fox Sports Radio.
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