October 30, 2024 • 37 mins
On this week's version of "The Midway", Doug and the crew talk about the most memorable negative interactions between players and fans. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst Daniel Jeremiah onto the show to discuss the Colts, Cowboys and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a Wednesday edition of "The Press".
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Speaker 2 (01:16):
He's not getting.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
It's time for the.
Speaker 6 (01:23):
Midway.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
This one was pretty easy.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Very rarely when we have our group text is there
like one topic and everybody's like yep. It's always like hey,
what about and what about?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
And what about? And what about?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
And there's between two to four and sometimes we'll have
somebody else chime in or some other thing that you know,
Jason will give kind of us two different options of things.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
He's thinking, whatever, this one's pretty easy, Jays, wasn't it.
Speaker 7 (01:47):
Yeah, yeah, try I'll try not to take offense to
this being non creative and too easy. But today I
was thinking, since you know, between us, I think we
have like eighty years of radio experience. We have talked
about the significant fan interactions with games and players for
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many years, and in a lot of ways, this topic
is the true essence of talk radio fans thinking they
make a difference, fans wanting to make a difference, and
as you eloquently put it a half hour ago, you
don't matter. So let's talk about like some of the
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most notable fan interactions with games and teams players. And
I'd like to start with Steve Bartman because in a
lot of ways, I think that episode and that person's
life should have never been impacted. It was the decision
of one person that ruined Steve Bartman's life. And for
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those that aren't completely familiar with this situation, it was
two thousand and three. The Cubs were playing the Marlins
and the else Yes, it was in really field pop
fly down the left field line, moyses Alou was pursuing
a Cubs fan with walkman on or a discman on
reached up and tried to catch the ball. Moyeses Alu
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had a complete conniption because of this. I don't even
know if Moyes would have caught the ball, but because
Alu reacted the way he did, he forever changed the
life of this poor Cubs fan. Everyone hates him, All
Cubs fans hate him. Member. They had not won a
World Series in what almost one hundred years, and Steve
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Bartonan was just one of the reasons why. And I
solely blame moyses Alu. I want to say. In recent
years he has admitted as much and has tried to
apologize that maybe I'm making that up, but the fact
checked me on that. But Steve Bartman, that's the one
that sticks out, and I really feel bad.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
For the got.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
In terms of fan interactions, I give you the Mouse
the Palace. Guys, Right, you guys know Bill Bird the comedian,
have you ever?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Right? Does everybody know Bill Birth?
Speaker 8 (04:16):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Okay, he has a bit and you guys can google
it online. It's really good, and it was he did
it for about ten years after The Mouse of the Palace,
and it was like, basically the premise was Hey, for
years spans and the stands and be like, hey, come
up here, why don't you come up here? They came
up there and Ron our test basically knocked out an
entire row of.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
People with one punch. Right. That's it was really sad.
It was gross.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
And in many ways scary. But what was the premise
of the text was what was our topic?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Most memorable? Was it?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I can't think of a stronger memory I have than
those two those.
Speaker 9 (04:58):
I'll say this because I do. I want to jump
in on Jason's point as well. I mean the amount
of content that we've gotten from the Malice at the Palace,
of documentaries, of podcasts of everything that went down, There's
been some with Bartman, but the mystery of Bartman is
still I mean like that's like it's still out there.
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Like we talk about who needs to do a documentary
in sports, and I think everything has basically been done.
There are very few topics that haven't been done. And
the reveal of Bartman would be amazing. I would love
to know. I hope we find out at some point.
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I would love to know this story, and I think
he would be universally loved and embraced after all of
this time and.
Speaker 8 (05:53):
The Malice at the Palace.
Speaker 9 (05:54):
We hear Stephen Jackson and you know, Metal World Peace
all say there are things the mystery of the Bartman
one is just still so intriguing to it.
Speaker 8 (06:05):
And Dan in the day and age of people wanted
to come forward, go online and talk about this last night,
either either apologize for what they did or just talk
about it like and glowed about it, or just explain themselves.
Bartman has been impossible to find. He has, I mean,
he hasn't. Wasn't he Oh, by the way, do you
guys remember when Dan Patrick thought he had Vartman on
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Sports Center, but it's actually just a crank call from
the Howard Stern Show. And it was like the most
tense interview and then they just is like he said
something about farts or something or I don't remember, but
but yeah, Bartman is like wants some nonthing to do
with this. In a day and age where we live,
where people want their fifteen minutes or just want to
clear the record or clear the clear the air, if
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these yahoos last night.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Are being celebrated, I mean Bartman would.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Be a sulted what's that exalted?
Speaker 5 (06:59):
It would be what a story?
Speaker 9 (07:02):
And then how bad would so your point of moisty
saw Lou apologizing.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I were gonna tell you them, guys, the Moises Alu
story that so you know, he was in Miami when
they won the World Series.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Book Shambi was the play by Polley voice at the.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Time, and when he moved to Chicago, booging him at
dinner one time and Book tells me a story.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
It's the best ever, and he was just like, so,
mo I like Chicago. He's like a lot of day games.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
It just strikes me as you signed with Chicago Cubs
and they didn't have lights until nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
You didn't know they'd played lots of day games.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Amazing.
Speaker 9 (07:41):
I love that I've got an interaction real fast.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
I want to make sure that we button your point
about the Bartman documentary, and I'm going to google it
after this and see if there's been anything done. I
think he's turned down every request. But we have seen
in the past two weeks the power of modern day
met in other words, the Menendez Brothers drama series and
then the documentary. That kind of it goes with the
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drama series literally is going to get them out of prison.
People don't read anymore, people don't want to read anymore,
but they are. They are moved by the power of
that that series. Literally he got Kim Kardashian on board.
So you're right. If Bartman agreed to do this, I
think he would be completely exonerated and.
Speaker 8 (08:27):
Beloved acquitted in the court of public opinion.
Speaker 9 (08:33):
The next Netflix murder show that they do to hear
about this. So they did the Dahmer and they did
the Menendez I'm serious.
Speaker 8 (08:44):
I thought there's a punchliner. No, they're doing it.
Speaker 9 (08:47):
I think I read they're doing it on ed Geen
and ed Gen is actually from Sabit in Plainfield, Wisconsin,
and it's kind of the halfway point from my hometown
to Madison. But I think that's going to be the
next season of it. If you're into that stuff. Oh,
I love it all right, I've got one, Sam, do
you want to go? Or yeah, I have one too.
Whenever I think I have I think I have the
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top one. I think I have the top one.
Speaker 7 (09:11):
Wait a minute, Doug already said there's no top one
other than mouths of the Palace. So how could you
guys both be.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Saying this, Well, let's see what. Let's see what.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Who do you want to hear from me? Or Sam?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Me?
Speaker 8 (09:22):
Well, i'm afraid you're going to you're gonna steal mine.
If it's really the top, well that's I'm afraid you're
gonna steal mine.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Okay, let's do it. Monica sell Us nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Three, Monica sels was you stabbing the back?
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (09:33):
I didn't even wait for the countdown, Sorry, Doug, I
jumped the gun.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Wow, And I think Dan did win. I totally forgot
about this one.
Speaker 9 (09:41):
When Monica Sellis was stabbed by a fan who was
obsessed with Steffie Groff. Because Monica Sellis was dominating tennis,
she came back. She wanted an Australian Open about three
years later, but she was the dominant player in tennis
and that changed everything.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
So you look at.
Speaker 9 (10:00):
Last night and you think that it's haha, funny.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
That these guys did this.
Speaker 9 (10:05):
Think of like the fear of an athlete in nineteen
ninety three when you have an actual player who was
at the top of her game, so it's not like
nobody was around. Had a fan come and stab her
in the back in the middle of a match while
she sat at the bench, that is crazy.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
What was yours?
Speaker 8 (10:24):
Let's go back to nineteen ninety four. The World Cup
host nation United States playing in a preliminary round against
Columbia and Colombia's own Andre Escobar. He hits a goal
into his own own goal net yet an own goal,
and of course the nation of Columbia, I'm sure, was
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devastated and freaked out and angry and everything. But after
Columbia was eliminated, he decided instead of going to visit
relatives in Las Vegas, he'd go back to his home
country of Columbia and he went to a night club
with some friends. This was on July first, nineteen ninety four,
and his friends ended up going home and he was
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in a parking lot by himself, in the parking lot
of this nightclub, and three random men showed up and
just started shooting him to death because of the own goal.
And according to what I'm reading here, they were shouting
goal goal every time they shot him, and he was
shot six times, I believe so. I think that and
this was this didn't obviously occur on the field. The
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it led. It was something on the field that led
to this. But murder of a from a fan, the
murder of a sports figure, I don't know how you
can top that. Well, it didn't happen, and it.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Happened, Yeah, it happened.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
They're kind of the premise it is, but a fan
killed a professional soccer player because of something that happened.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
We think, well, yeah, well.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
There's an I mean, you talk about modern media, there's
a there is a thirty for thirty on this.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
I very much recommend it. Again, I'm recommending a lot
of things. The two Esco bars and they'd do a
parallel between pabl Escobar at the time and the soccer player,
and it's fascinating. It will be well worth your time.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yes, it's very good.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
And the question is you're right, Doug at the end,
we don't know why he was murdered. But if they
were yelling goal, maybe that's that's a that's a giveaway.
But I didn't hear that.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Also, the thought was it was because correct the cartel
had money on the game.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That's what most people think.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Bag and we don't know, and you know it's I
I appreciate you your knowledge of that story that you
were what like four years old when it took place.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
Eight. I appreciate him reading it off of Wikipedia.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
That's basically that's basically what he did. What he did.
The idea is what is.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
The most memorable You can't remember something that you weren't
like cognitive but you don't.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Actually remember that.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
No, but I've read about it over the years and
it's by far the most shocking fan and sports celebrity
or sports athlete interaction I've ever heard about it.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I gotta tell you, Like Monica sale Is getting stabbed
in the back during during a in a event.
Speaker 8 (13:00):
I think mine was great she survived. This guy didn't.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Well we say stupid stuff now that's yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, we're good.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Uh yeah, I mean it didn't occur in the sport,
in the sporting event, in the in the forum of sports.
It no, you don't actually remember it outside of that.
You nail it. Thanks, Kelly nail it. Kelly nailed this.
Speaker 9 (13:24):
It shows the levels though, I mean like it does.
Like Bartman was publicly shamed the Pistons, fans were beat
up by players. This was a stabbing of a player
like this is I mean, it's just it's it's crazy,
it truly is. There was there were others that we
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could have put into the mix, like I'll never forget
the fan giving the Russell Westbrook the double bird. But
like that image because I think it's a social media
thing resonates. These other instances are much bigger, have been
much bigger. Your broader coverage is stroke than something like that.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
But remember Bradley Beal. I think it was Bradley Beal's
story when he was with Washington. How I guess some
guys said you cost me five thousand dollars and started
to MFM. I think that that's just gonna be one
of many stories, ultimately gambling losses leading to fan interaction
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with players that are unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
How gambling losses al in the fans that's on.
Speaker 8 (14:35):
Do you think Steve Bartman's gone to Cubs games?
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Yes, incognito. I'm guessing, sure.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Me, as long as you don't wear the turtleneck.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, right, his sweater and the hat and have the
He's just he looks like every other you know. Yeah,
and we're talking what is it to twenty one years removed?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yes, yeah, I don't you know.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
That's the thing of I don't know how it was
for like run our test, so you know, to get
back onto the court to have that feeling. But he
was also the aggressor in this. The thing with Monica
sellis is I don't know how you could go back
on the court and do what you had loved or
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what you had known to do without that fear being there.
The fact that you won another Grand Slam event is
I mean crazy. The fact that she went back and
made a comeback in tennis is absolutely crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
But man, I have a story to tell you guys
about Monica SEL's. I think I've told a couple of people.
I don't know if I told Anaer Monica sells hit
on me.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Oh yep.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
It was that the ESPN twenty five party in New
York City back when they had the ESPN Zone, and
that me and Chuck Wilson hosted a show from it.
It was made like the guest list was incredible, and
Chuck went up to go to the restroom whatever, and
she came in to do a segment and we were
down a break and uh yeah, she looked at my
wedding ring at the time and said, that's that's too bad.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
She gave me a look and it was definitely a look.
She definitely a look. Yeah, I guess el Swiss miss.
There you go.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
That's a good story.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
That's literally the only time that's ever happened to me
in my life.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
So yeah, it hasn't happened to me ever time one time.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I mean, yeah, I don't know, Swiss Miss.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
I caught Andrea Kramer given Buyer the Eyes on Radio
Road two years ago.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
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It's got leave show Fox Sports Radio. So what's the
future like for Anthony Richardson. Well, Shane Steiken had uh
this to say on whether or not Anthon Richardson would
start again.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
Anthony will start for the French tise again.
Speaker 10 (17:09):
I can't predict that, but I'm not losing faith in that.
I promise you that plan. I can't predict the future,
but I mean that would be great.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
We'll see. Wow.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
That's uh, that's bizarre. That that is that is bizarre.
Here's Anthony Richardson. He had this exchange with reporters about
being told he will not be the starter.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
He just told me they were gonna go with Joe,
you know, and that was that And no, I just
had to just significan Mason and just just girl, why
not not necessarily?
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
He didn't explain why there isn't a set plan to
have him start again.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
I if you can't receive that message as fans or
as Anthony Richardson, I don't know what else that's I
don't I have no time to worry about developing a quarterback.
I want to win. I want to win now. Placo
gives him a better chances. Feels like Steichen probably under
little pressure and probably a lot frustrated. We're gonna ask
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dand New Jeremiah about him in a second. I just
have one thought, why can't Florida and Georgia play home
and home in those two years?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Right?
Speaker 5 (18:14):
I agree? Way too easy?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I mean, you're playing in Tampa and Atlanta, Like, doesn't
make any sense. I just i'm I'm I mean, I look,
it does make sense. It has to have some sort
of financial implications where they probably split the plot, split
the pot, split the pot, and that's how they do it.
But like, if you're not going to play at the
site of the tailgate party or a cocktail party where
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it's called, then what I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Danna Jeremiah joined to Move the Sticks as the podcast course.
He also covers Charger games for our sister station in
Los Angeles, and you see him on the NFL network.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I want to start. I don't know if you heard
this this cut.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
This is Shane Steichen when he was asked about whether
Anthonia Richardson would start again.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
He will start with the FRIS.
Speaker 10 (19:05):
I can't predict that, but I'm not was in faith
in that. I promise you that definite playing. I can't
predict the future. But I mean that would be great.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
We'll see help me.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Like, look, I told you when we run earlier this
Earlier this season, I saw Richardson play against the Packers.
He didn't look like an NFL quarterback. But like we're
two years into this experiment. He's super super young. I mean,
if it feels like Steichen's like, yeah, I'm not making
any promises that that does not feel like he's quarterback
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of the future.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
That the way that was kind of freezed it almost
made me think of is and I'm just speculating here,
but is he not doing some stuff in the building
that he needs to be doing? Like that almost felt
like there's something he needs to do in order to
get back on the field. If it was just that
he's you know, been playing bad, which he has done,
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and with the invent that was made, I think you
would all you would you would say in that if
that was the case, Look, yes he's going to be
our starter again. You know, I don't know when that's
going to be, if that's a week from now, a
month from now, if it's next year, two years, but yeah,
he's gonna you know, we believe in him. But that
to say that that you don't know if he's going
to play again, that you can't predict the future. That
almost sounded like a little bit of a you know,
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a challenge to him of like, hey, you need to
be doing something that you're not doing well.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I mean the conditioning aspect of it has to be.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
I mean like, well, yeah, that can't happen. I mean,
that's just that flat out can't happen. Never seen it before,
don't imagine I'll ever see it again.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah, all right, there's a bunch of other ones I
want to get to. I haven't been a Russell Wilson
fan for a long time, but I did think he
played good football Sunday. My question is again my my
I'll use the basketball analogy. Is it's like Shaq when
he was with the Heat when they won the NBA Championship.
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One of the games in six he was dominant, right,
and as you age the ratio changes. Instead of four
to five games, you're great, three then two than one.
Is that we're seen or is Russell Wilson really back
and the Steelers have a chance to have a really
good season.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
I thought watching that game, and I've been a proponent
of this move happening, you know, just because I think
I kind of knew where Justin was and what the
limits were there, and I thought you could get a
little bit more steady play from from Russ. Now. When
I went watched this game this last week, I told
Bucky that I saw young Russ version, which was the
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way they ran the offense in Seattle when he first
got there, which was some deep play action which was
moving him, you know, moving the pocket, you know, where
his throws were on the perimeter where it's layered throws,
it's easy throws, and he was excellent. Then I saw,
you know, kind of the peak Russ, you know, from
a statistical standpoint, where he was in the gun in
Seattle and they were trying to throw it all over
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the place and he was doing, you know, did some
good things there. But then I also saw the old
old Russ, which was him and some pure dropback stuff,
you know, a couple of warm burners, a couple of
bad throws, you know. So I think you kind of
got all of it there. The thing with this team
is they can they can win a lot of football
games with the formula that he was used to in
the early days of his career, So I think it
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can work. I think they have a formula that fits
and that works with him dumping the ball off the
backs and tight ends and then pushing the ball over
the top on the outside, you know, to pick him.
That's that's the kind of quarterback Russ is.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I know that there's a lot of other issues with
the Dallas Cowboys, but how many times do we have
to see Dak Prescott in a big game throw in
untimely interceptions, Not that interceptions are ever timely, but the
untimely interceptions, I don't know. I get that it was
a huge cap number and it paralyzed them from doing
other deals, but the Cowboys are just Zimmer's a bad
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fit and all of that aside. That's their quarterback for
now and into the future, and it's the same guy
over and over again.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I mean, look, he made some throws to get him,
you know, close, to give him back in the game
a little bit late, but he has not played great,
and I don't know if that's something with a new
voice that comes in there, which you would imagine will
be the case next year, if there's more to get
out of him. I don't know that he's you know
since the ankle injury that he's you know, moves around
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the same to be able to expand the playbook like
they could when he was younger. So that takes a
big chunk out of it. And let's be honest. I
mean I told this somebody the day. They said, what's
the you know, what's the key to the Cowboys being successful?
And I said, well, if you can, if you can
purchase a DeLorean. You know, they've got Dalvin Cook and
Ezekiel Elliott. If you could go back maybe six years
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where they had, you know, those running backs that were
halfway decent, then maybe you'd have something. But that's not
the case. They did not address the run game at
all in the offseason, which was somewhat baffling.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
You know, we haven't talked about the Vikings.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
They lost two in the span of a week and
obviously haven't seen them in a while. Is this the
Sam Donald thing they bumped up the ceiling or just
a product of the schedule.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Well, I don't think so. Look, the biggest thing for
them as of late was losing Darosol and they traded
for Cam Robinson. Cam Robinson's the massive drop off from
what you have there in derisav is one of the
best tackles in the league. So that's something that would
concern me, you know, going forward, more so than you know,
any perceived slipoge in Sam's play. You know, I thought
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he played all right against the Rams. That was just
the you know, they caught the Rams at the wrong
time on the road, so that that got them. But
I'm not I'm not putting on their team. I also think,
you know, with that defense, they had a life nice
string of games with Flora's defense. But there's gonna be
times when you play against veteran quarterbacks, you know, really
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good quarterbacks that when you play that much you know,
zero coverage and that aggressive that the better quarterbacks are
gonna you know, they're going to pick you apart a
little bit. And that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
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Speaker 3 (25:00):
You know, you got another injury for Jordan Love.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Now it's the groin. You heard the knee earlier this year.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
But maybe the more I don't know alarming or troubling
part is another interception last week, like how do you
how do you adjust? How do you not take away
a guy's aggressive this, but take away the turnovers as
he leads a league interceptions.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah, that's the million dollar questions. Uh, you know, I
I would not want to risk taken away as aggressiveness
because you know, you get a lot of big plays
out of that. It makes them an explosive team. But
I think it's more than anything else. It just kind
of comes with playing. He just needs to continue to play,
get more reps. They won a lot of football games
this year. They're in a really good spot. They've been
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able to overcome those those issues. But you know, you
hope that it's something you just continue to preach and
that eventually, you know he will be a little more
discerning and find that line to straddle between being aggressive
and being stupid. So that's that's the challenge. But I
I'll take the good with the bat on that one man.
For a guy who hadn't played a ton of football,
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there's a lot of good to take from it.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
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Caleb Williams is improving, but still a lack of deep
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downfield throws.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Can that be fixed?
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I think so when I watched it, when I watched
the tape on that one, I had heard, you know,
from people that watch the game live and the friends.
They were like, hey, you know, Caleb was he was
too he was too nervous. Early in the game, he
was he was pressing, and then he got better in
the fourth quarter. When I watched the tape, I actually
thought he looked like he didn't want to make a mistake.
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You know, he's holding the ball, taking a sack because
he doesn't trust that a block's going to get on
a little wide receiver screen. There's another little swing screen
where defender doesn't get cut on the edge, and it's
just you know, you got it's a touch throw. You
got to get it up over the top of the
defensive end. But he did not want to. He did
not want to turn the ball over, and it kind
of was helter skelter with that. And then you know
he missed some throws where it's like, oh gosh, don't
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underthrow it, don't get picked off. So he overthrew some balls,
but you know, he made some big time throws. He
still has the athleticism to make plays. I think that
all this constant talk of like the early season turnovers
and we have a great defense, don't screw it up.
I almost think it's almost a little too much of
that of like, hey, loosen up a little bit, you
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gotta you gotta let it rip.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Obviously there's uh, you mean you played three guys essentially
played quarterback with with with Taysom Hill throwing throwing a
ball last week.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
The the Saints are a disaster, right, They're just a mess.
How'd we get here?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
It's just massive hostel injuries, Like how did they get
to where they go? They win there too, and you know,
beat the Cowboys on the road, put forty four points
up on the board, average forty five their first two games,
and then the roof just falls in after the Eagles games.
What what what happened to the Saints?
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Well, I mean, you know, obviously the last few weeks
it's you know, you know Derek Carr, So there's a
you know, there's a quarterback swap there. They were competitive.
I think one of his last games was against who
was it Atlanta? I want to say it was a
close game. So the group that we saw there though,
I mean, when you when you have the quarterback issues
that are there, and the rest of the roster got
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old man, they got old quick on the defensive side
of the ball, and then on the offensive side, they've
got some young offensive linemen that that aren't quite ready yet.
So there's a you know, another thing is they're salary
cap a mess because they've constantly just kind of pushed
it off and pushed it off and pushed it off.
That's going to take a couple of years when they
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decide to rebuild, to dig out from under a lot
of these contracts.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
You said, I think last week you said you started
to kind of dig in on some of the college quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Is anybody is any of those guys in the level
last year?
Speaker 4 (29:09):
No, not that I've seen at this point in time.
And I'm very early, and I'll have more usually halloweens
like my wake up call of like okay, now we
can really start going on this thing. So I'll have
I'll have more for you over the next few weeks.
But from what I've seen, and beck is not playing great.
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You look at Shadoors play is thrown at the best.
I mean, of all these guys, he's thrown at the
best of them. You know, he's not the most mobile guy,
not a dynamic playmaker, but he's you know, he's thrown
at the best. I think you know, most people would
grade him more as a you know, middle to bottom
of one type player. But you know he's gonna get
He's going to get go up there because of the
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class that we have. It's it's going to be an offseason,
Doug get ready. And this is a good radio topic
for you. Who are the Reino Gino Sam Baker's we've
we've been is going to be one of them? You
think he'll be one of them somebody when you have
a first round pick who's got some you know, size
and athleticism. And he's been in a market that, if
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we're being honest, has has really developed one quarterback in
the last thirty years between the Jets and the Giants,
and that's Eli Manning. So there's there's gonna be takers
for him, and you know, you get a jets cheaper
deal once he gets you know, if he gets released.
So uh, he'll be he'll be in that mix of
players that people are looking at.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah. No, So who are the others?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Okay, so we've done this right, We've we've talked about
this where you know, Baker obviously is one of the best,
although there's seasons likely going to fall off with the
injuries to the two wide receivers. You know, Derek Carr's guy,
he's kind of you know, he's been bouncing around here.
He mentioned Geno Smith at Joe Flacco. You know, this
is the second straight place. But Jameis Winston.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah, no, Jamis is gonna happen on I mean, shoot,
if he plays like you did the other day, he's
gonna be hard for Cleveland too to not roll their
mouth out there next year. If not, you'll have an
opportunity elsewhere. So you know those are you know, it's
it's a fun little exercise kind of go through the
teams and go through you know, these these quarterbacks and
and you know, I just don't think there's going to
be enough guys in the draft that are going to
treat people. You know that. I think it's going to
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lend itself to some of these guys getting opportunities on
their second or third teams.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
How is it possible? I don't I don't understand how it's.
I mean, I guess you have down years, but I
don't know how it's.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
You know what, go think about this, Like normally, in
a year where we don't have like premier college kids
coming into the NFL, usually it's like, well but wait
till next year because these freshmen. You know, we've got
this freshman or this red shirt sophomre, Like, who are that?
I don't even know who the great younger quarterbacks are
in college football right now.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I mean, I think people want it to be Manning.
I don't know if that's the case.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
I think that might be two more years. And we
haven't seen we haven't seen a whole lot.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
No, I know, I know, it's a it's a it's
a great question. And and there's more quarterback camps and
more quarterback gurus, and they are just not that many quotes.
Last thing, Dodgers are one win away. Are you the
guy that roots for the team that beats your team,
So it somehow signifies that your team was really good
(32:17):
because you lost the eventual champions. Or do you just
want bad things to happen to the Dodgers because of
the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Yeah, I mean I I can talk myself into well,
if the Dodgers went, then we could say we gave
them the best fight of anybody. I tried to be
that person, but I'm just too petty and I'm just like,
I just don't want to see them have good things.
So I'll root for the Yankees to pull off the impossible.
It's not going to happen, but I'll continue to root.
But I'll be honest with you. The only thing I'm
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the only thing I've got my sights on right now
is November fourth, eight pm at Gallagher IBA Arena.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You're coming.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
All I care about are coming. I would love to
be there, buddy, I would, But I will be watching.
I can promise you that I will be on ESPN Plus.
I will be tuned in there.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Oh there you go. We'll call it. We'll call it
first play app state in in your honor.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
DJ.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
You're the best man, Thanks for joining.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Me, best of luck, proud of you. Man, can't wait
to see you.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Coming up next to The Doug Gotlieb Show, We're live
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we do it in reverse order, but I do want
to go around the room real quick.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Start with you, Jay Stu. Level of confidence in your Dodgers.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
Tonight Tonight's game?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yet?
Speaker 7 (33:58):
I don't know. I don't know if I have a
whole lot of confident in tonight's game. I'm very confident
that we'll win the series.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Is it because you want your prediction of Game six
to come true? And that's why you're like noon into
tonight's game.
Speaker 7 (34:11):
I don't want to be the guy on talk radio
that has to formulate everything to their prediction. So no,
but tonight that one of the best pitchers in baseball
is pitching at home against against US, and they got
some momentum. So I'm not horribly confident Byer.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
You think tonight's last baseball game of season.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
No, I'll go with the Yankees tonight.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, I think Yankees win a night too.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I think Yanks, and frankly, I'd like to see what
the Dodgers perform like under that stress from that pressure.
Obviously did magnificently against the Padres when it looked like
it was all for not Let's get to the press
with Dan Byer.
Speaker 9 (34:48):
The press, Doug Caleb Williams is in hot water, but
we're not talking about the Bears quarterback. I defer to
Sam and Jason to give a little background on what's
going down in Florida. Jason and Sam take it away.
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Sam knows more about the details than me, But I
kind of half heard the story that somebody in Florida
attacked a Harris voter with a machete or was thinking
about it and they caught the guy and it made
the news and it sounded like this.
Speaker 8 (35:23):
Police say, Caleb Williams went to the Beaches Branch Library
yesterday afternoon to intimidate voters. Here's that picture again of
Caleb Williams holding the machete in the air.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Police say, again, not Bears quarterback Caleb Williams.
Speaker 8 (35:37):
This is an eighteen year old young man named Caleb Williams.
Speaker 9 (35:41):
Yeah, and this also is the reason on people always
wonder like, hey, why why do serial killers have three names?
It's to identify them so they are not confused with
anybody else who has a similar or the same first
and last name. Anyway that you can separate the names
as much as possible, that's what you do. That's why
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they have three names. It's very very easy. People, geez,
why is not always Well, that's why, because guess what
they should have said, Caleb Aaron Williams or something like that,
but they just kept it with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
And look at what it's caused.
Speaker 7 (36:17):
I do feel obligated to even out our coverage the
Harris voter. There was a person caught trying to attack
a Trump voter in Texas today Jaden Daniels, Oh God, okay.
Speaker 11 (36:33):
Adam Schefter reports that the NWSL's KC Current, the ownership
of that team, is looking at WNBA expansion in Kansas City,
and one of the co owners of the k C
Current is Patrick Mahomes and his wife Brittany, So the
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WNBA may have a new home in Patrick mahomes backyard
of Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
I don't understand the overexpansion in the league. Like I
got it. Things are good. We're like in an expand
by four teams.
Speaker 9 (37:09):
It's the Caitlyn Clark effect, right. I guess Milwaukee wants
a team as well. They have shown an interest.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
In they do. I think the team already something else
is getting get one more?
Speaker 9 (37:20):
Uh jeez. Scottie Barnes out three weeks for the Raptors.
How about that?
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Okay, there you express, You get out there and pressed.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
That was the press.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
You're a fan. You're allowed to go after a foul ball.
If a player actually has that foul ball, you can
say something mean to.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Him, but you don't take the ball from him. This
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(01:00):
Ain Stike, getting Anthony Richardson stuff to talk about. My
man Daniel Jeremiah's going to talk. So we have a
lot of NFL upcoming this hour. And of course we
have the press with with Dan Byer. But it is
a Wednesday. It is Wednesday, right hump day, middle of
the week, middle of the show, middle of the day.
Let's get to the midway.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
He's not getting.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
It's time for the.
Speaker 6 (01:23):
Midway.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
This one was pretty easy.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Very rarely when we have our group text is there
like one topic and everybody's like yep. It's always like hey,
what about and what about?
Speaker 2 (01:33):
And what about? And what about?
Speaker 3 (01:34):
And there's between two to four and sometimes we'll have
somebody else chime in or some other thing that you know,
Jason will give kind of us two different options of things.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
He's thinking, whatever, this one's pretty easy, Jays, wasn't it.
Speaker 7 (01:47):
Yeah, yeah, try I'll try not to take offense to
this being non creative and too easy. But today I
was thinking, since you know, between us, I think we
have like eighty years of radio experience. We have talked
about the significant fan interactions with games and players for
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many years, and in a lot of ways, this topic
is the true essence of talk radio fans thinking they
make a difference, fans wanting to make a difference, and
as you eloquently put it a half hour ago, you
don't matter. So let's talk about like some of the
(02:30):
most notable fan interactions with games and teams players. And
I'd like to start with Steve Bartman because in a
lot of ways, I think that episode and that person's
life should have never been impacted. It was the decision
of one person that ruined Steve Bartman's life. And for
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those that aren't completely familiar with this situation, it was
two thousand and three. The Cubs were playing the Marlins
and the else Yes, it was in really field pop
fly down the left field line, moyses Alou was pursuing
a Cubs fan with walkman on or a discman on
reached up and tried to catch the ball. Moyeses Alu
(03:17):
had a complete conniption because of this. I don't even
know if Moyes would have caught the ball, but because
Alu reacted the way he did, he forever changed the
life of this poor Cubs fan. Everyone hates him, All
Cubs fans hate him. Member. They had not won a
World Series in what almost one hundred years, and Steve
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Bartonan was just one of the reasons why. And I
solely blame moyses Alu. I want to say. In recent
years he has admitted as much and has tried to
apologize that maybe I'm making that up, but the fact
checked me on that. But Steve Bartman, that's the one
that sticks out, and I really feel bad.
Speaker 5 (03:59):
For the got.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
In terms of fan interactions, I give you the Mouse
the Palace. Guys, Right, you guys know Bill Bird the comedian,
have you ever?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Right? Does everybody know Bill Birth?
Speaker 8 (04:16):
Absolutely?
Speaker 3 (04:17):
Okay, he has a bit and you guys can google
it online. It's really good, and it was he did
it for about ten years after The Mouse of the Palace,
and it was like, basically the premise was Hey, for
years spans and the stands and be like, hey, come
up here, why don't you come up here? They came
up there and Ron our test basically knocked out an
entire row of.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
People with one punch. Right. That's it was really sad.
It was gross.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
And in many ways scary. But what was the premise
of the text was what was our topic?
Speaker 2 (04:51):
Most memorable? Was it?
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (04:55):
I can't think of a stronger memory I have than
those two those.
Speaker 9 (04:58):
I'll say this because I do. I want to jump
in on Jason's point as well. I mean the amount
of content that we've gotten from the Malice at the Palace,
of documentaries, of podcasts of everything that went down, There's
been some with Bartman, but the mystery of Bartman is
still I mean like that's like it's still out there.
(05:22):
Like we talk about who needs to do a documentary
in sports, and I think everything has basically been done.
There are very few topics that haven't been done. And
the reveal of Bartman would be amazing. I would love
to know. I hope we find out at some point.
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I would love to know this story, and I think
he would be universally loved and embraced after all of
this time and.
Speaker 8 (05:53):
The Malice at the Palace.
Speaker 9 (05:54):
We hear Stephen Jackson and you know, Metal World Peace
all say there are things the mystery of the Bartman
one is just still so intriguing to it.
Speaker 8 (06:05):
And Dan in the day and age of people wanted
to come forward, go online and talk about this last night,
either either apologize for what they did or just talk
about it like and glowed about it, or just explain themselves.
Bartman has been impossible to find. He has, I mean,
he hasn't. Wasn't he Oh, by the way, do you
guys remember when Dan Patrick thought he had Vartman on
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Sports Center, but it's actually just a crank call from
the Howard Stern Show. And it was like the most
tense interview and then they just is like he said
something about farts or something or I don't remember, but
but yeah, Bartman is like wants some nonthing to do
with this. In a day and age where we live,
where people want their fifteen minutes or just want to
clear the record or clear the clear the air, if
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these yahoos last night.
Speaker 5 (06:51):
Are being celebrated, I mean Bartman would.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
Be a sulted what's that exalted?
Speaker 5 (06:59):
It would be what a story?
Speaker 9 (07:02):
And then how bad would so your point of moisty
saw Lou apologizing.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
I were gonna tell you them, guys, the Moises Alu
story that so you know, he was in Miami when
they won the World Series.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Book Shambi was the play by Polley voice at the.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
Time, and when he moved to Chicago, booging him at
dinner one time and Book tells me a story.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
It's the best ever, and he was just like, so,
mo I like Chicago. He's like a lot of day games.
Speaker 3 (07:30):
It just strikes me as you signed with Chicago Cubs
and they didn't have lights until nineteen eighty eight.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
You didn't know they'd played lots of day games.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Amazing.
Speaker 9 (07:41):
I love that I've got an interaction real fast.
Speaker 7 (07:45):
I want to make sure that we button your point
about the Bartman documentary, and I'm going to google it
after this and see if there's been anything done. I
think he's turned down every request. But we have seen
in the past two weeks the power of modern day
met in other words, the Menendez Brothers drama series and
then the documentary. That kind of it goes with the
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drama series literally is going to get them out of prison.
People don't read anymore, people don't want to read anymore,
but they are. They are moved by the power of
that that series. Literally he got Kim Kardashian on board.
So you're right. If Bartman agreed to do this, I
think he would be completely exonerated and.
Speaker 8 (08:27):
Beloved acquitted in the court of public opinion.
Speaker 9 (08:33):
The next Netflix murder show that they do to hear
about this. So they did the Dahmer and they did
the Menendez I'm serious.
Speaker 8 (08:44):
I thought there's a punchliner. No, they're doing it.
Speaker 9 (08:47):
I think I read they're doing it on ed Geen
and ed Gen is actually from Sabit in Plainfield, Wisconsin,
and it's kind of the halfway point from my hometown
to Madison. But I think that's going to be the
next season of it. If you're into that stuff. Oh,
I love it all right, I've got one, Sam, do
you want to go? Or yeah, I have one too.
Whenever I think I have I think I have the
(09:10):
top one. I think I have the top one.
Speaker 7 (09:11):
Wait a minute, Doug already said there's no top one
other than mouths of the Palace. So how could you
guys both be.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Saying this, Well, let's see what. Let's see what.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
Who do you want to hear from me? Or Sam?
Speaker 2 (09:22):
Me?
Speaker 8 (09:22):
Well, i'm afraid you're going to you're gonna steal mine.
If it's really the top, well that's I'm afraid you're
gonna steal mine.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
Okay, let's do it. Monica sell Us nineteen ninety.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Three, Monica sels was you stabbing the back?
Speaker 5 (09:33):
Yes?
Speaker 9 (09:33):
I didn't even wait for the countdown, Sorry, Doug, I
jumped the gun.
Speaker 7 (09:37):
Wow, And I think Dan did win. I totally forgot
about this one.
Speaker 9 (09:41):
When Monica Sellis was stabbed by a fan who was
obsessed with Steffie Groff. Because Monica Sellis was dominating tennis,
she came back. She wanted an Australian Open about three
years later, but she was the dominant player in tennis
and that changed everything.
Speaker 5 (09:59):
So you look at.
Speaker 9 (10:00):
Last night and you think that it's haha, funny.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
That these guys did this.
Speaker 9 (10:05):
Think of like the fear of an athlete in nineteen
ninety three when you have an actual player who was
at the top of her game, so it's not like
nobody was around. Had a fan come and stab her
in the back in the middle of a match while
she sat at the bench, that is crazy.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
What was yours?
Speaker 8 (10:24):
Let's go back to nineteen ninety four. The World Cup
host nation United States playing in a preliminary round against
Columbia and Colombia's own Andre Escobar. He hits a goal
into his own own goal net yet an own goal,
and of course the nation of Columbia, I'm sure, was
(10:45):
devastated and freaked out and angry and everything. But after
Columbia was eliminated, he decided instead of going to visit
relatives in Las Vegas, he'd go back to his home
country of Columbia and he went to a night club
with some friends. This was on July first, nineteen ninety four,
and his friends ended up going home and he was
(11:06):
in a parking lot by himself, in the parking lot
of this nightclub, and three random men showed up and
just started shooting him to death because of the own goal.
And according to what I'm reading here, they were shouting
goal goal every time they shot him, and he was
shot six times, I believe so. I think that and
this was this didn't obviously occur on the field. The
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it led. It was something on the field that led
to this. But murder of a from a fan, the
murder of a sports figure, I don't know how you
can top that. Well, it didn't happen, and it.
Speaker 2 (11:38):
Happened, Yeah, it happened.
Speaker 8 (11:39):
They're kind of the premise it is, but a fan
killed a professional soccer player because of something that happened.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
We think, well, yeah, well.
Speaker 7 (11:48):
There's an I mean, you talk about modern media, there's
a there is a thirty for thirty on this.
Speaker 5 (11:53):
Yep.
Speaker 7 (11:54):
I very much recommend it. Again, I'm recommending a lot
of things. The two Esco bars and they'd do a
parallel between pabl Escobar at the time and the soccer player,
and it's fascinating. It will be well worth your time.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yes, it's very good.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
And the question is you're right, Doug at the end,
we don't know why he was murdered. But if they
were yelling goal, maybe that's that's a that's a giveaway.
But I didn't hear that.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Well.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
Also, the thought was it was because correct the cartel
had money on the game.
Speaker 2 (12:23):
That's what most people think.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Bag and we don't know, and you know it's I
I appreciate you your knowledge of that story that you
were what like four years old when it took place.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
Eight. I appreciate him reading it off of Wikipedia.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
That's basically that's basically what he did. What he did.
The idea is what is.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
The most memorable You can't remember something that you weren't
like cognitive but you don't.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Actually remember that.
Speaker 8 (12:47):
No, but I've read about it over the years and
it's by far the most shocking fan and sports celebrity
or sports athlete interaction I've ever heard about it.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
I gotta tell you, Like Monica sale Is getting stabbed
in the back during during a in a event.
Speaker 8 (13:00):
I think mine was great she survived. This guy didn't.
Speaker 5 (13:04):
Well we say stupid stuff now that's yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Yeah, we're good.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Uh yeah, I mean it didn't occur in the sport,
in the sporting event, in the in the forum of sports.
It no, you don't actually remember it outside of that.
You nail it. Thanks, Kelly nail it. Kelly nailed this.
Speaker 9 (13:24):
It shows the levels though, I mean like it does.
Like Bartman was publicly shamed the Pistons, fans were beat
up by players. This was a stabbing of a player
like this is I mean, it's just it's it's crazy,
it truly is. There was there were others that we
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could have put into the mix, like I'll never forget
the fan giving the Russell Westbrook the double bird. But
like that image because I think it's a social media
thing resonates. These other instances are much bigger, have been
much bigger. Your broader coverage is stroke than something like that.
Speaker 7 (14:05):
But remember Bradley Beal. I think it was Bradley Beal's
story when he was with Washington. How I guess some
guys said you cost me five thousand dollars and started
to MFM. I think that that's just gonna be one
of many stories, ultimately gambling losses leading to fan interaction
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with players that are unfortunate.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
How gambling losses al in the fans that's on.
Speaker 8 (14:35):
Do you think Steve Bartman's gone to Cubs games?
Speaker 7 (14:39):
Yes, incognito. I'm guessing, sure.
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Me, as long as you don't wear the turtleneck.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Yeah, right, his sweater and the hat and have the
He's just he looks like every other you know. Yeah,
and we're talking what is it to twenty one years removed?
Speaker 2 (14:57):
Yes, yeah, I don't you know.
Speaker 9 (15:00):
That's the thing of I don't know how it was
for like run our test, so you know, to get
back onto the court to have that feeling. But he
was also the aggressor in this. The thing with Monica
sellis is I don't know how you could go back
on the court and do what you had loved or
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what you had known to do without that fear being there.
The fact that you won another Grand Slam event is
I mean crazy. The fact that she went back and
made a comeback in tennis is absolutely crazy.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
But man, I have a story to tell you guys
about Monica SEL's. I think I've told a couple of people.
I don't know if I told Anaer Monica sells hit
on me.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
Oh yep.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
It was that the ESPN twenty five party in New
York City back when they had the ESPN Zone, and
that me and Chuck Wilson hosted a show from it.
It was made like the guest list was incredible, and
Chuck went up to go to the restroom whatever, and
she came in to do a segment and we were
down a break and uh yeah, she looked at my
wedding ring at the time and said, that's that's too bad.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
She gave me a look and it was definitely a look.
She definitely a look. Yeah, I guess el Swiss miss.
There you go.
Speaker 7 (16:22):
That's a good story.
Speaker 3 (16:23):
That's literally the only time that's ever happened to me
in my life.
Speaker 5 (16:28):
So yeah, it hasn't happened to me ever time one time.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
I mean, yeah, I don't know, Swiss Miss.
Speaker 7 (16:33):
I caught Andrea Kramer given Buyer the Eyes on Radio
Road two years ago.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
It sounds hot and that is the Midway.
Speaker 6 (16:43):
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Speaker 3 (16:54):
It's got leave show Fox Sports Radio. So what's the
future like for Anthony Richardson. Well, Shane Steiken had uh
this to say on whether or not Anthon Richardson would
start again.
Speaker 7 (17:07):
Anthony will start for the French tise again.
Speaker 10 (17:09):
I can't predict that, but I'm not losing faith in that.
I promise you that plan. I can't predict the future,
but I mean that would be great.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
We'll see. Wow.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
That's uh, that's bizarre. That that is that is bizarre.
Here's Anthony Richardson. He had this exchange with reporters about
being told he will not be the starter.
Speaker 4 (17:28):
He just told me they were gonna go with Joe,
you know, and that was that And no, I just
had to just significan Mason and just just girl, why
not not necessarily?
Speaker 5 (17:39):
Wow?
Speaker 3 (17:40):
He didn't explain why there isn't a set plan to
have him start again.
Speaker 8 (17:45):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
I if you can't receive that message as fans or
as Anthony Richardson, I don't know what else that's I
don't I have no time to worry about developing a quarterback.
I want to win. I want to win now. Placo
gives him a better chances. Feels like Steichen probably under
little pressure and probably a lot frustrated. We're gonna ask
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dand New Jeremiah about him in a second. I just
have one thought, why can't Florida and Georgia play home
and home in those two years?
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Right?
Speaker 5 (18:14):
I agree? Way too easy?
Speaker 3 (18:17):
I mean, you're playing in Tampa and Atlanta, Like, doesn't
make any sense. I just i'm I'm I mean, I look,
it does make sense. It has to have some sort
of financial implications where they probably split the plot, split
the pot, split the pot, and that's how they do it.
But like, if you're not going to play at the
site of the tailgate party or a cocktail party where
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it's called, then what I don't know.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Danna Jeremiah joined to Move the Sticks as the podcast course.
He also covers Charger games for our sister station in
Los Angeles, and you see him on the NFL network.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
I want to start. I don't know if you heard
this this cut.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
This is Shane Steichen when he was asked about whether
Anthonia Richardson would start again.
Speaker 7 (19:02):
He will start with the FRIS.
Speaker 10 (19:05):
I can't predict that, but I'm not was in faith
in that. I promise you that definite playing. I can't
predict the future. But I mean that would be great.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
We'll see help me.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Like, look, I told you when we run earlier this
Earlier this season, I saw Richardson play against the Packers.
He didn't look like an NFL quarterback. But like we're
two years into this experiment. He's super super young. I mean,
if it feels like Steichen's like, yeah, I'm not making
any promises that that does not feel like he's quarterback
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of the future.
Speaker 4 (19:38):
That the way that was kind of freezed it almost
made me think of is and I'm just speculating here,
but is he not doing some stuff in the building
that he needs to be doing? Like that almost felt
like there's something he needs to do in order to
get back on the field. If it was just that
he's you know, been playing bad, which he has done,
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and with the invent that was made, I think you
would all you would you would say in that if
that was the case, Look, yes he's going to be
our starter again. You know, I don't know when that's
going to be, if that's a week from now, a
month from now, if it's next year, two years, but yeah,
he's gonna you know, we believe in him. But that
to say that that you don't know if he's going
to play again, that you can't predict the future. That
almost sounded like a little bit of a you know,
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a challenge to him of like, hey, you need to
be doing something that you're not doing well.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
I mean the conditioning aspect of it has to be.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
I mean like, well, yeah, that can't happen. I mean,
that's just that flat out can't happen. Never seen it before,
don't imagine I'll ever see it again.
Speaker 3 (20:36):
Yeah, all right, there's a bunch of other ones I
want to get to. I haven't been a Russell Wilson
fan for a long time, but I did think he
played good football Sunday. My question is again my my
I'll use the basketball analogy. Is it's like Shaq when
he was with the Heat when they won the NBA Championship.
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One of the games in six he was dominant, right,
and as you age the ratio changes. Instead of four
to five games, you're great, three then two than one.
Is that we're seen or is Russell Wilson really back
and the Steelers have a chance to have a really
good season.
Speaker 4 (21:14):
I thought watching that game, and I've been a proponent
of this move happening, you know, just because I think
I kind of knew where Justin was and what the
limits were there, and I thought you could get a
little bit more steady play from from Russ. Now. When
I went watched this game this last week, I told
Bucky that I saw young Russ version, which was the
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way they ran the offense in Seattle when he first
got there, which was some deep play action which was
moving him, you know, moving the pocket, you know, where
his throws were on the perimeter where it's layered throws,
it's easy throws, and he was excellent. Then I saw,
you know, kind of the peak Russ, you know, from
a statistical standpoint, where he was in the gun in
Seattle and they were trying to throw it all over
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the place and he was doing, you know, did some
good things there. But then I also saw the old
old Russ, which was him and some pure dropback stuff,
you know, a couple of warm burners, a couple of
bad throws, you know. So I think you kind of
got all of it there. The thing with this team
is they can they can win a lot of football
games with the formula that he was used to in
the early days of his career, So I think it
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can work. I think they have a formula that fits
and that works with him dumping the ball off the
backs and tight ends and then pushing the ball over
the top on the outside, you know, to pick him.
That's that's the kind of quarterback Russ is.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
I know that there's a lot of other issues with
the Dallas Cowboys, but how many times do we have
to see Dak Prescott in a big game throw in
untimely interceptions, Not that interceptions are ever timely, but the
untimely interceptions, I don't know. I get that it was
a huge cap number and it paralyzed them from doing
other deals, but the Cowboys are just Zimmer's a bad
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fit and all of that aside. That's their quarterback for
now and into the future, and it's the same guy
over and over again.
Speaker 7 (23:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
I mean, look, he made some throws to get him,
you know, close, to give him back in the game
a little bit late, but he has not played great,
and I don't know if that's something with a new
voice that comes in there, which you would imagine will
be the case next year, if there's more to get
out of him. I don't know that he's you know
since the ankle injury that he's you know, moves around
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the same to be able to expand the playbook like
they could when he was younger. So that takes a
big chunk out of it. And let's be honest. I
mean I told this somebody the day. They said, what's
the you know, what's the key to the Cowboys being successful?
And I said, well, if you can, if you can
purchase a DeLorean. You know, they've got Dalvin Cook and
Ezekiel Elliott. If you could go back maybe six years
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where they had, you know, those running backs that were
halfway decent, then maybe you'd have something. But that's not
the case. They did not address the run game at
all in the offseason, which was somewhat baffling.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
You know, we haven't talked about the Vikings.
Speaker 3 (23:56):
They lost two in the span of a week and
obviously haven't seen them in a while. Is this the
Sam Donald thing they bumped up the ceiling or just
a product of the schedule.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
Well, I don't think so. Look, the biggest thing for
them as of late was losing Darosol and they traded
for Cam Robinson. Cam Robinson's the massive drop off from
what you have there in derisav is one of the
best tackles in the league. So that's something that would
concern me, you know, going forward, more so than you know,
any perceived slipoge in Sam's play. You know, I thought
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he played all right against the Rams. That was just
the you know, they caught the Rams at the wrong
time on the road, so that that got them. But
I'm not I'm not putting on their team. I also think,
you know, with that defense, they had a life nice
string of games with Flora's defense. But there's gonna be
times when you play against veteran quarterbacks, you know, really
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good quarterbacks that when you play that much you know,
zero coverage and that aggressive that the better quarterbacks are
gonna you know, they're going to pick you apart a
little bit. And that's what happened.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
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Speaker 3 (25:00):
You know, you got another injury for Jordan Love.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
Now it's the groin. You heard the knee earlier this year.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
But maybe the more I don't know alarming or troubling
part is another interception last week, like how do you
how do you adjust? How do you not take away
a guy's aggressive this, but take away the turnovers as
he leads a league interceptions.
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Yeah, that's the million dollar questions. Uh, you know, I
I would not want to risk taken away as aggressiveness
because you know, you get a lot of big plays
out of that. It makes them an explosive team. But
I think it's more than anything else. It just kind
of comes with playing. He just needs to continue to play,
get more reps. They won a lot of football games
this year. They're in a really good spot. They've been
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able to overcome those those issues. But you know, you
hope that it's something you just continue to preach and
that eventually, you know he will be a little more
discerning and find that line to straddle between being aggressive
and being stupid. So that's that's the challenge. But I
I'll take the good with the bat on that one man.
For a guy who hadn't played a ton of football,
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there's a lot of good to take from it.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
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but the Bears probably rightfully should have won that game.
Caleb Williams is improving, but still a lack of deep
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downfield throws.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Can that be fixed?
Speaker 4 (26:35):
I think so when I watched it, when I watched
the tape on that one, I had heard, you know,
from people that watch the game live and the friends.
They were like, hey, you know, Caleb was he was
too he was too nervous. Early in the game, he
was he was pressing, and then he got better in
the fourth quarter. When I watched the tape, I actually
thought he looked like he didn't want to make a mistake.
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You know, he's holding the ball, taking a sack because
he doesn't trust that a block's going to get on
a little wide receiver screen. There's another little swing screen
where defender doesn't get cut on the edge, and it's
just you know, you got it's a touch throw. You
got to get it up over the top of the
defensive end. But he did not want to. He did
not want to turn the ball over, and it kind
of was helter skelter with that. And then you know
he missed some throws where it's like, oh gosh, don't
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underthrow it, don't get picked off. So he overthrew some balls,
but you know, he made some big time throws. He
still has the athleticism to make plays. I think that
all this constant talk of like the early season turnovers
and we have a great defense, don't screw it up.
I almost think it's almost a little too much of
that of like, hey, loosen up a little bit, you
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gotta you gotta let it rip.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
Obviously there's uh, you mean you played three guys essentially
played quarterback with with with Taysom Hill throwing throwing a
ball last week.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
The the Saints are a disaster, right, They're just a mess.
How'd we get here?
Speaker 3 (27:56):
It's just massive hostel injuries, Like how did they get
to where they go? They win there too, and you know,
beat the Cowboys on the road, put forty four points
up on the board, average forty five their first two games,
and then the roof just falls in after the Eagles games.
What what what happened to the Saints?
Speaker 4 (28:14):
Well, I mean, you know, obviously the last few weeks
it's you know, you know Derek Carr, So there's a
you know, there's a quarterback swap there. They were competitive.
I think one of his last games was against who
was it Atlanta? I want to say it was a
close game. So the group that we saw there though,
I mean, when you when you have the quarterback issues
that are there, and the rest of the roster got
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old man, they got old quick on the defensive side
of the ball, and then on the offensive side, they've
got some young offensive linemen that that aren't quite ready yet.
So there's a you know, another thing is they're salary
cap a mess because they've constantly just kind of pushed
it off and pushed it off and pushed it off.
That's going to take a couple of years when they
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decide to rebuild, to dig out from under a lot
of these contracts.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
You said, I think last week you said you started
to kind of dig in on some of the college quarterbacks.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Is anybody is any of those guys in the level
last year?
Speaker 4 (29:09):
No, not that I've seen at this point in time.
And I'm very early, and I'll have more usually halloweens
like my wake up call of like okay, now we
can really start going on this thing. So I'll have
I'll have more for you over the next few weeks.
But from what I've seen, and beck is not playing great.
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You look at Shadoors play is thrown at the best.
I mean, of all these guys, he's thrown at the
best of them. You know, he's not the most mobile guy,
not a dynamic playmaker, but he's you know, he's thrown
at the best. I think you know, most people would
grade him more as a you know, middle to bottom
of one type player. But you know he's gonna get
He's going to get go up there because of the
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class that we have. It's it's going to be an offseason,
Doug get ready. And this is a good radio topic
for you. Who are the Reino Gino Sam Baker's we've
we've been is going to be one of them? You
think he'll be one of them somebody when you have
a first round pick who's got some you know, size
and athleticism. And he's been in a market that, if
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we're being honest, has has really developed one quarterback in
the last thirty years between the Jets and the Giants,
and that's Eli Manning. So there's there's gonna be takers
for him, and you know, you get a jets cheaper
deal once he gets you know, if he gets released.
So uh, he'll be he'll be in that mix of
players that people are looking at.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
Yeah. No, So who are the others?
Speaker 3 (30:33):
Okay, so we've done this right, We've we've talked about
this where you know, Baker obviously is one of the best,
although there's seasons likely going to fall off with the
injuries to the two wide receivers. You know, Derek Carr's guy,
he's kind of you know, he's been bouncing around here.
He mentioned Geno Smith at Joe Flacco. You know, this
is the second straight place. But Jameis Winston.
Speaker 4 (30:55):
Yeah, no, Jamis is gonna happen on I mean, shoot,
if he plays like you did the other day, he's
gonna be hard for Cleveland too to not roll their
mouth out there next year. If not, you'll have an
opportunity elsewhere. So you know those are you know, it's
it's a fun little exercise kind of go through the
teams and go through you know, these these quarterbacks and
and you know, I just don't think there's going to
be enough guys in the draft that are going to
treat people. You know that. I think it's going to
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lend itself to some of these guys getting opportunities on
their second or third teams.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
How is it possible? I don't I don't understand how it's.
I mean, I guess you have down years, but I
don't know how it's.
Speaker 4 (31:26):
You know what, go think about this, Like normally, in
a year where we don't have like premier college kids
coming into the NFL, usually it's like, well but wait
till next year because these freshmen. You know, we've got
this freshman or this red shirt sophomre, Like, who are that?
I don't even know who the great younger quarterbacks are
in college football right now.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
I mean, I think people want it to be Manning.
I don't know if that's the case.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
I think that might be two more years. And we
haven't seen we haven't seen a whole lot.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
No, I know, I know, it's a it's a it's
a great question. And and there's more quarterback camps and
more quarterback gurus, and they are just not that many quotes.
Last thing, Dodgers are one win away. Are you the
guy that roots for the team that beats your team,
So it somehow signifies that your team was really good
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because you lost the eventual champions. Or do you just
want bad things to happen to the Dodgers because of
the Dodgers.
Speaker 4 (32:23):
Yeah, I mean I I can talk myself into well,
if the Dodgers went, then we could say we gave
them the best fight of anybody. I tried to be
that person, but I'm just too petty and I'm just like,
I just don't want to see them have good things.
So I'll root for the Yankees to pull off the impossible.
It's not going to happen, but I'll continue to root.
But I'll be honest with you. The only thing I'm
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the only thing I've got my sights on right now
is November fourth, eight pm at Gallagher IBA Arena.
Speaker 2 (32:49):
You're coming.
Speaker 4 (32:50):
All I care about are coming. I would love to
be there, buddy, I would, But I will be watching.
I can promise you that I will be on ESPN Plus.
I will be tuned in there.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Oh there you go. We'll call it. We'll call it
first play app state in in your honor.
Speaker 5 (33:06):
DJ.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
You're the best man, Thanks for joining.
Speaker 4 (33:08):
Me, best of luck, proud of you. Man, can't wait
to see you.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
Coming up next to The Doug Gotlieb Show, We're live
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Speaker 6 (33:20):
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(33:48):
we do it in reverse order, but I do want
to go around the room real quick.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Start with you, Jay Stu. Level of confidence in your Dodgers.
Speaker 7 (33:54):
Tonight Tonight's game?
Speaker 2 (33:58):
Yet?
Speaker 7 (33:58):
I don't know. I don't know if I have a
whole lot of confident in tonight's game. I'm very confident
that we'll win the series.
Speaker 3 (34:04):
Is it because you want your prediction of Game six
to come true? And that's why you're like noon into
tonight's game.
Speaker 7 (34:11):
I don't want to be the guy on talk radio
that has to formulate everything to their prediction. So no,
but tonight that one of the best pitchers in baseball
is pitching at home against against US, and they got
some momentum. So I'm not horribly confident Byer.
Speaker 2 (34:27):
You think tonight's last baseball game of season.
Speaker 5 (34:30):
No, I'll go with the Yankees tonight.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Yeah, I think Yankees win a night too.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
I think Yanks, and frankly, I'd like to see what
the Dodgers perform like under that stress from that pressure.
Obviously did magnificently against the Padres when it looked like
it was all for not Let's get to the press
with Dan Byer.
Speaker 9 (34:48):
The press, Doug Caleb Williams is in hot water, but
we're not talking about the Bears quarterback. I defer to
Sam and Jason to give a little background on what's
going down in Florida. Jason and Sam take it away.
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Sam knows more about the details than me, But I
kind of half heard the story that somebody in Florida
attacked a Harris voter with a machete or was thinking
about it and they caught the guy and it made
the news and it sounded like this.
Speaker 8 (35:23):
Police say, Caleb Williams went to the Beaches Branch Library
yesterday afternoon to intimidate voters. Here's that picture again of
Caleb Williams holding the machete in the air.
Speaker 5 (35:33):
Police say, again, not Bears quarterback Caleb Williams.
Speaker 8 (35:37):
This is an eighteen year old young man named Caleb Williams.
Speaker 9 (35:41):
Yeah, and this also is the reason on people always
wonder like, hey, why why do serial killers have three names?
It's to identify them so they are not confused with
anybody else who has a similar or the same first
and last name. Anyway that you can separate the names
as much as possible, that's what you do. That's why
(36:03):
they have three names. It's very very easy. People, geez,
why is not always Well, that's why, because guess what
they should have said, Caleb Aaron Williams or something like that,
but they just kept it with Caleb Williams.
Speaker 5 (36:16):
And look at what it's caused.
Speaker 7 (36:17):
I do feel obligated to even out our coverage the
Harris voter. There was a person caught trying to attack
a Trump voter in Texas today Jaden Daniels, Oh God, okay.
Speaker 11 (36:33):
Adam Schefter reports that the NWSL's KC Current, the ownership
of that team, is looking at WNBA expansion in Kansas City,
and one of the co owners of the k C
Current is Patrick Mahomes and his wife Brittany, So the
(36:54):
WNBA may have a new home in Patrick mahomes backyard
of Kansas City.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
I don't understand the overexpansion in the league. Like I
got it. Things are good. We're like in an expand
by four teams.
Speaker 9 (37:09):
It's the Caitlyn Clark effect, right. I guess Milwaukee wants
a team as well. They have shown an interest.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
In they do. I think the team already something else
is getting get one more?
Speaker 9 (37:20):
Uh jeez. Scottie Barnes out three weeks for the Raptors.
How about that?
Speaker 2 (37:25):
Okay, there you express, You get out there and pressed.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
That was the press.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
You're a fan. You're allowed to go after a foul ball.
If a player actually has that foul ball, you can
say something mean to.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Him, but you don't take the ball from him. This
is Doug Gottage Show.
Host
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