March 26, 2025 • 38 mins
In this edition of The Midway, Doug and the crew talk about whether or not people tune into the NCAA Tournament for the Cinderella stories. NFL Network draft analyst Daniel Jeremiah joins the show to talk about Shedeur Sanders, Cam Ward and all of the other NFL headlines this week. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through "The Press".
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It's not getting the middle with here, it's time for
it's dug in the middle.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So wording is important. Since text is important, uh, character
context is important. I think Jay stew you came up
with this question. It's a pretty darn good one. You
want to lay it out exactly what we're looking for
in this argument about college basketball.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here, and I
don't really need to lay it out. I think there
is one one person who can lay it out perfectly.
It is the preeminent voice of sports talk radio right now,
Colin Cowherd on his show today, and he talked about
Cinderella and them being no mid majors in the sweet sixteenth.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
The other thing I've been pushing back on is this
hot take that I saw this headline yesterday. The nil
and the Transfer portal are sucking the madness out of
March again. TV ratings illustrate that we're not watching for madness.
We're watching for Duke. We're watching for favorites. You know
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you talk about all this madness and all these upsets.
I'll give an example. The biggest memories for most people
watching college basutsketball. Number one is the Christian Latner shot
he played for Duke. They beat Kentucky, No Cinderella in
that moment, two massive brands. That's the most memorable shot,
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in my opinion, in the history of the tournament. Second,
you could argue second is young Michael Jordan hitting the
basket against Georgetown, U n C against the Hoyas. No Cinderella,
John Thompson and Dean Smith, two huge brands. Those are
semi recent memories of college basketball. You name me, remember
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a couple of years ago. My point is there's so
much mythology about Cinderella. Never forget Cinderella. That that was
a moment, but she was a house cleaner for the
other three hundred and sixty days a year. Okay, Right,
you've made Cinderella in the Oh my god, that was
a night. That was a ball. That's it.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Okay. So the question is does Cinderella being not being
invited to the dance or to the Sweet sixteen dance?
Does it make you want to watch less? That is
that the or what? Again? Give me the actual question
so I can provide the right answer.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
If if the narrative of the week is that Cinderella
is dead and because of Nil, there's not going to
be a lot of these big upsets, does that make
the tournament less interesting? Are you going to be less
inclined to watch? Colin Cowhard says that nobody was watching
for the Cinderellas.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Okay, I think this is more a perception than a reality, right,
because you know, the highest rated finals in the last
twenty years, I believe is the Butler Duke one. The
perception is it's because of the Cinderella Butler. It's probably
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more likely because it was Duke. Or maybe it's because
it's Duke and Butler. Right, it's David and Goliath.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yeah, it's Rocky and Ivan Draco. That's what we're after.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Again, I don't I think people watch because of the bracket,
but I think people watched the first weekend because the UPSTCE.
So I again, I think he's wrong. Byron, what do
you think because you've you follow this thing as closely
as I have for your lifetime.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
Yeah, it's really interesting. There's so much conversation about it.
And I think that if you follow anything in college basketball,
you've seen the graphic put out by the NCAA Buzzer
Beaters site on the Sweet sixteen and where each team
had their players start their career, and it's pretty jarring
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when you look at at the movement. It's more jarring
to see that Purdue all five of their starters started
their careers at Purdue, so you have that change with it.
I would argue. My feeling is is the first and foremost,
like fantasy football, we care about our brackets, and if
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you do partake in that X experiment, whatever you want
to call it, in those competitions, you will find a
reason to make any game fun. I think that there
were a bunch of marquee games on Sunday, yukon Florida.
I believe was in that early window you had Kentucky
against Illinois, another good one. But if you're playing in
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a bracket pool and you're watching Maryland and Colorado State
for that to go down to the wire, and I
don't know if Colorado State's the buzzer beater in that aspect,
but if you have Maryland going to the final four,
that game is more of interest to you. And that's
where I think the matgic is, like, I don't think
it's I don't think it's a coincidence that when you
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look at the middle of the courts in the first
and second rounds and I think they'll probably do them here,
that you have March Madness with actual brackets in the logo.
It's not NC DOUBLEA, it's not the Final four logo
until you get to the Final four but these first
couple of rounds, like you see the brackets, and that's
what I think is more of the interest in anything.
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And while maybe you don't latch onto the players like
you used to, I find interest in your picks and
how you think the tournament's going to go exercise. What
I was looking for, not experiment, but exercise. That was
the word.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
What about you, Sammy.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
I think my issue with what con said is sort
of like his deferring to like this is just how
it is now and that the brands are going to
be the ones that make it through. That's why we're watching.
And you know, our editor and producer here, Ryan Bercheneer,
he brought up a good point. He said, when it
was we were seeing a lot of you know, Wichita
States and George Mason's, you know vcus Like every year
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it seemed like someone was making it to the final four,
the so called mid major little guy that maybe we
got a little bit. We expected it to happen every year,
and uh with it won't happen every year. There's you
see guys where they have a good season at a
mid major program and then they go up to the
Power five leagues. They just can make that movement. So
it Unfortunately, there's a lot of talent drain out of
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the mid majors after a guy has a good season.
So yeah, you're probably gonna see these Cinderellas less. But
I think it's still incredibly important that we have those
because you know, the one thing that's separating the only
little thing now that's still separating pro sports from college sports,
is that idea, even if it's just an idea of
the little guy having a chance. And so if it's
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all brands, it's all big brands. If you're so called
Cinderella is Arkansas, then it's then I think it's just
it becomes a little sterilen.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Can I jump in here? Yeah, and Doug you know
this firsthand. But one of the greatest movies, you know,
my favorite movie of all time is Hoosiers, and it's
based on the little school going up against the big
school and the championship and winning that, which again is
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based on a true story from the nineteen fifties. In
the state of Indiana, and Indiana high school basketball is
top of the charts. You know, you've got eight thousand
seat high school arenas, but there is no longer in
high school athletics, the ability of the little small school
to climb up and beat the big one. It's just
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not a fair fight. In the state that Doug lives
in right now, in the state of Wisconsin, they've now
expanded to five divisions. When I think I was in
high school, there was maybe three in terms of but
there is no shot for a Division five school to
beat a Division IE school. So I almost feel like
the NCAA in a way is kind of late to
the party because this has been happening in high school
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hoops for so long, Like those magical stories of David
beating Goliath just aren't there anymore. And I feel that
they they've been happening and we don't even have that
in high school anymore because of how that has changed.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Agreed, I hate the I hate the multiple state champion thing.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Class four A, Class two A.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
You know, you know, I think we all would love
to have one bracket. But I mean, it's it's not
a fair fight, right, I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
It's never It's never been a fair fight. But again,
that's part of the three point line is an equalizer,
it really is. It's a less fair fight if you
have a shot clock which everybody wants the shot clock
because you know teams abuse it and hold the basketball.
But I I, yeah, it's I don't know if we
say get used to it, because yeah, get used to it.
(09:49):
I mean basically what it is is this in college sports,
those of us who played it or covered it, we
all knew which teams cheated, broke rules, paid players right.
And because of that, you know there was you know,
a team here or there at a lower a level,
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lower than they should have been, that could overachieve, or
you know, at whatever level they would have slightly better
players than everybody else. And you know, we're constantly searching
for cheaters. And sometimes when teams had unseen success, even
at the high major level, but in place that had
been successful, we assumed that that cheating took place. Now
it's all legal, right, it's all legal. And so if
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you have more money, you can get not just better
support for your players, but better players. But look, the
reality is McNee State, Okay, McNee State had I believe,
spent as much or more money than Clemson did. So
it wasn't an upset when they beat them. Just wasn't
Akron won the back again. Okay, Akron had seven to
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ten x of nil in their team than teams in
their own league, So of course they won their league.
And then they run up on somebody else who has
two x three x of what they're spending, and of
course they get beat. You you have better players.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Well.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Coaching matters too though, right with Will Wade at McNeese
and John Groves the budy, I know, but you have
to also the card buddy.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
You have to have a good They had a million five.
You can't a million. They had a million. They had
a million five. Okay, do you understand what that means? Yeah,
I mean players.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
You put him in a position to win. Doug to Illinois.
Will coached at LSU and when he was.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
When he was at Illinois. Okay, they had to do
things by the rules because Illinois back in the day
always broke the rules. Everybody knows that. Okay. Now when
you have and I believe Accron has a round last
year had about a million dollars, Okay, I know a
team in that league that had ninety five thousand dollars
in an al. Remember how that works. You got fifteen guys,
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thirteen guys on scholarship, So maybe you give a couple
of guys to and look, a lot of my guys
didn't get a penny last year. They're fine with it, okay,
And I know I was close to the bottom of
the league. I've never complained about it, okay, because we
have to get more competitive in ANIL. But we have
to just have to get more competitive how we play
and how we recruit, and we got to take the
right guys. Like, I get it. But again, like you
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don't understand what you're talking about, Sam.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, I do, Doug.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
It's an opinion.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
It's not all players. Coaching matters too. That's why you
can have a cinderell at some point where maybe they
take the lesser nil the guy the team with the
less ANIL A.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
Different games, Sam, It's just different than the damn Sam.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I want you to think about this. Okay, let me
think about this for a second. There's a kid named
because I'm not gonna get him, so I'll just tell you.
His name is Jalen Jackson. He's at he was at
Fort Wayne. Okay, he's gonna go to he He had
thirty six or thirty nine against Michigan this year, so
he's been at Fort Wayne, uh for a couple of years, right,
and now he's gonna leave and he's gonna go play
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in the in the Big ten. If Fort Wayne is
so lucky to make the NCAA tournament, like they can't
compete against the guy who's clearly their best player. It's
not just that they're getting better players, they're getting guys
that are older and better. Right. The way in which
you used to be able to win at our level
is we had guys that stuck together for four or
five years and they'd be, you know, twenty one to
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twenty three years old. They've played together a bunch, and
you play Kentucky and Kentucky would have, you know, guys
with more upside, but they're eighteen nineteen years old. Okay,
Now look at those rosters. They're not just better players.
They're older players, they're more developed, and then they're more supported.
They have well, you want to say better coaching, and look,
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you know you can. You can tell me it's coaching.
And I do think that.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
No, no, no, I'm not saying it all coaching. I just
bring that up as a fact.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
It's absolutely true that coaching does matter, Okay, because you
can have a bunch of money and chemistry does matter
having the piece if all those things matter, Okay, but
I'm just telling you, like again, the example is Mike Boyton,
my good friend, who's at Michigan now. He was at
Oklahoma State last year. He was at Oklham State last year,
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and last year in an effort to compete, he had
Brandon Garrison who's now at Kentucky. He had Eric Day
who's at UCLA, and he had Javon Small who's at
West Virginia. Okay, and I know of another starter at
Michigan who just played really really really really well for
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Michigan in their second round win. Okay. If Mike Boyton
at a high major school, had he had the money
and had another year, he would have had to pay
to keep those guys around for year two. Would they
be good enough? Yeah, and then he would have been
able to go out and get a couple more guys.
It just matters. Okay. I'm not saying that coaching doesn't matter. Okay,
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but I'm telling you it's ever been a totally fair fight,
and now it's almost an impossible fight.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
You're right, It's it's more and more like like trying
to put the best college team against the worst NFL team.
Of course the NFL team's gonna win. They're gonna bludget them.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I get that.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
I totally do right.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
And and again the one the kind of one of
the factors that used to bring things kind of closer
together between the haves and the have nots was age
and experience. And now they're buying up like we're a
feeder system.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Yeah, that's why I said, mid major guys, they have
a great year than they go on to Yes, up and.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Up and up the tiers.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I have.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I have two that ones in the portal. One I
know is going in the portal that they're going to
make a lot, a lot of money next year, and
I have to celebrate that. I can't be the guy
who's like, my job is to get you your next
next great job. Hopefully it's playing professional basketball. Maybe he's
playing college basketball. But in regards to the NCAA tournament,
like it's always been really really hard, and now we've
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made it borderline impossible. And remember they have this new
everybody's opting in where you can use a revenue share. Okay,
and the revenue share could be for basketball programs for
the high majors, you know, the Big ten, the SEC,
and even the Big twelve up to three and a
half million dollars. But then they have collectives on top
of that that throw in another two and a half
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million dollars, and we're in the low six figure variety.
Like it's it's just not comparable. And so you already
have all the other good stuff. Yeah, yeah, I Again,
if we get back to the question of it, the
answer is does it take away from it? Yeah? I mean,
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it wasn't hard at all for me to pick. Go
look at my bracket. I just picked the teams that
had that had the most money, and I got most
of them.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
It's not because I know anything more than I've ever
known previously. I probably known less because I watched less
high major basketball than I've ever watched, because I watched
my team level guys. We're recruiting guys that may be
in the portal, like that's all part of the job
that you have to do, right, But I don't even
But I've done better in the bracket than ever because
I simply said, yes, do I think coaching matters, absolutely,
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But I also know that it's not as much X
as and O's, It's Jimmy's and jokes, and that is
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up on the top of your screen. So the news
of the day in the NFL, if you woke up
to it was Russell Wilson signs, And I thought there
was a chance Russell Wilson's NFL career was over. Not
because he couldn't be a backup, but Russell Wilson doesn't
seem like a guy who fits being a backup, right,
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So he signs with the New York Giants, and you're like, oh, okay, well,
obviously the Giants are out on the air Rogers and
they have Jameis Winston, so he got two quarterbacks. So
that means they're out in Shador Sanders. But we know
Shodor Sanders or we think, doesn't want to go to
the Browns, right, and the Tennessee Titans looked like they're
gonna draft Cam Moore, So what does that mean for store?
(18:44):
Let's welcome in Daniel Jeremiah. DJ of course is when
you watch the NFL Network on April twenty fourth, lave
in Green Bay, you'll see Daniel Jeremiah. He's the lead
NFL draft analyst on the NFL Network intew on Fox
Sports Radio. What does Russell Wilson signing with the Giants
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need for Shador Sanders.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Great to hear from me, Doug, You know, I don't
think there's concrete information you can take out of that.
The reason I say that is I think if they
were you know, if they still had big grades, if
they loved shud Or Sanders, I would think they could
still take him. There is a little bit of precedent
with this, you know, when the Jets had signed McCown
and signed Geno Smith, and they drafted Sam and then
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they traded Geno, so we have seen I wouldn't totally
rule that out. But to me, I always look at
these things and I look at windows and timelines and
urgency levels, and this is a Giants team that needs
to win games next year, so you go out and
get two veteran quarterbacks. It feels to me more like
that would be kind of the way they would go.
(19:51):
Their first pick would then be someone who can help
them win games next year. You know, whether that's you know,
Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter, whichever one of them you know,
could potentially be there. Maybe they're both there and they
have they have their choice. But that's where I would
be leaning at looking at it, But that's not you know,
that's not concrete, and uh, you know, I still wouldn't
(20:11):
be surprised if if they did do that, if they
were in the market for that next tier of quarterbacks,
just kind of roll the dice on one of the
you know, the the second tier guys in the next round.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, second day as I think a lot of a
lot of guys are going to fish on those second
day quarterbacks. Okay, so let's go back to Shador. What
are the options now? Like New Orleans is an option.
I guess Cleveland is an option, But there doesn't seem
to be a crazy number of options.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Yeah, I think Shador is going to go two or
three or fall like that's the that's the options. Like
he's going to be, you know, a brown, he's going
to be a giant. And if those two, if he
gets past that third pick, then I think you could
go on a little bit of a tumble and then
you start seeing, you know, other teams become in the mix,
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Like is the Rams, you know, do they like him?
Would they be interested in maybe moving up a little
bit or are they comfortable sitting and seeing if he's there?
The Steelers at twenty one, even if they signed Rogers, Like,
is that potentially in option? Miami, you know, is kind
of a sneaky one just because Tua you know, hasn't
been healthy and I think based off of his contract,
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there's a way they can kind of free themselves a
little bit after this year. So maybe that's maybe that's
one we're not thinking of. But to answer your question, Doug,
I don't see a spot for him in the top
ten if he doesn't go two or three. I just
I don't think the Raiders are going to do it.
I feel like they've got an older coach. They went
out and got Geno. This feels like they're wanting to
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win right now with Gino and then the Jets with
fields and his age, and at least you can still
sell yourself on his upside that they would try and
at least roll the dice with him for a little
bit and not go right back to the quarterback mark
before they saw him play a game. And then the
last one would be the Saints. And I just don't know.
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I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot just in
terms of, uh, you know, with with with Dion and
with Shador and you're Kellen Moore first year head coach, like,
I don't know, that seems like that could be. You know,
Dion's gonna say he's going to refute that and say
there's nothing, there's nothing to it. But it is. There's
it's it's it's not just a normal first round quarterback pick.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, I would. I don't have any inside information into
the new Raiders regime, but it does stand to reason
that if Pete Carroll was most successful in the NFL
by drafting a quarterback in the third round and developed
and developing him slowly over time. And he has Geno
Smith who can be a nice placeholder. And the value
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of the quarterbacks in this draft are outside of the
first day. Of course, that seems like it's they're played correct.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Yeah, I think so. And I think with the Raiders specifically,
I mean, you're all offensive coordinator has just come off
of a national championship with Will Howard, so you could say, Okay,
you want to get another quarterback in there, then maybe
that's Will Howard. And you know where can you get him?
Is that the third round? You know, what does that
look like? With his value? I would think they would be,
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you know, elated to make that call with their I
think they picked sixty eight in the third round. I
don't know if they would take him at thirty seven,
but that gives him a young quarterback and he gets
to come sit behind Geno and then they have the
sixth and thirty seventh pick to come in and help
him right away.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Forrader. That's the
voice of Daniel Jeremihs, the lead NFL Draft anilst for
the NFL Network. He also has moved The Sticks as
a podcast. Still no word on Aaron Rodgers, although they're
circling and there is there's at least and again this
is like social media, but apparently McAfee is having some
(23:54):
big show on the seventh of April, and there's some
discussion that he could announce. Then what do you think
the likeli it of him going to Pittsburgh's.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Well, it's Pittsburgh retirement, and you know, I would think
this gets done with Pittsburgh. I don't think he's you know,
he's gonna retire at this point in time. So yeah,
I think it's inevitable. It's just a matter of how
long it's going to drag out it. It's it's entering
into the annoying territory. I would say just to like,
let's just let's just be able to plan around it
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and get done. But who knows, maybe there's been some
private assurances made there to the Steelers. You know, I
don't know it is. I just it seems so unnecessary
to me, like just make a decision like this, yes
or no. You either want to play for the Steelers,
you want to retire, like, let's let's go.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, I don't. I don't get either, but but it
does track. It is completely unbranded, is it not that
that of all the guys to make everybody wait, Aaron
Rodgers is don't don't.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
You think this is different, Doug like for like in
the past, it's been man every day, like you check
in like I don't know about you, but like I don't.
I'm not clicking refresh on my computer to see if
he's coming back or not. It's just kind of like, well,
they're gonna play with Aaron Rodgers or I guess they
go you know, they've got Mason Rudolph, they go out
and sign Joe Flacco. You know, I don't know. But
it's not it's not front of mine like it was
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previously with him. I think if you thought this was
going to bring you attention, I don't know that it is.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Okay, let's circle back to the other part. Why the
Giants think that Russell Wilson can be the answer. When
the Steelers, the Broncos times two and the Seahawks clear
they do not.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
Well, they must feel like they've got the system and
the pieces in place to help him, I guess to
get a better performance. I don't know that it's a
massive upgrade there, you know, over what you had in
Daniel Jones. I know you can a lot of fans
like to do on social media. It's just post out
the touchdowns to interception ratio as the be all end all.
(25:54):
But if you watch those games down the stretch for Pittsburgh,
that was tough. That was tough to watch. So yeah,
I don't know. I know, You've got a lot of
experience there. He's a veteran. He can get you in
and out of the right plays and and learn the
system and all that stuff. But you tell me, Doug,
when you look around that division, how do you I mean,
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they're a distant force with him or jamis starting in
terms of the quarterback position, They're uh, they're fighting uphill.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
They are fighting uphill. It's the Doug Gotlib Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Daniel Jeremiah is is our guest. Okay,
So we did kind of sort of bury the lead,
if you will, and that lead would be that we
were interested. If you know, the Titans early on put
out some sort of chum in the water that they
(26:44):
weren't going to draft cam Ward. Now they are. What
are your expectations for cam Ward with the Titans.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's what they do, and
I uh, you know, the upside is very high. He's
got a ton of talent. He's got He's got a
big time arm. I like the fact that he's strong
and sturdy in there. He's not a huge guy, but
he's thick and so he's got quick hands. RPO stuff
should be good. I think they've built their team thug.
(27:12):
A lot of people focused on the moves they made
on the offensive line and said, oh, they've built their
team to be able to protect, to better protect a
young quarterback. And I look at the guys they brought in.
They brought in guys that can run, block like they
are going to try and run the football and protect.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Protect a different way.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Of doing it. It's a different way of doing it,
but that's that's the type of team I think they're
going to be. So yeah, I'm totally good with it.
I don't you know. I can make a case with
with Abdul Carter is the best player in the draft
for me. He is. Travis Hunter would be behind him there,
but you know, when you don't have a quarterback and
you've got one who has the upside you can dream on.
(27:50):
I am very much against the first overall pick on
a quarterback that if he hits his ceiling, you're still
going to want more. You can't do that. This kid
at least has that upside you can dream on.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
It is the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Stefan Diggs has a torn acl yet the Patriots game
a bunch of money. And again, if we're honest, the
Bills were kind of done with stuff on Diggs and
they were just just as good, if not better, without him.
What are your thoughts on the Patriots and their level
of investment in the receiver.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
I just don't know. I mean, I guess I'm okay
with it. You know, the number, and he had played
well in Houston last year before he got hurt. He
there's no argument from what you said about Buffalo though
they didn't you know, they didn't skip the beat, and
Josh Allen played better you know, without him, So those
things are true. I'm okay with them signing him, and
(28:43):
even the money. I guess if it happened at the beginning,
of free agency, and we were under the illusion that
there were a bunch of other shuitters. I just don't
know who you were bidding against at this point in time.
You know, just from a number standpoint, it seemed a
little bit high, not knowing what kind of market was
out there. But maybe, hey, maybe maybe you and I
are out of the loop, and maybe there were multiple
teams that were willing to pay him in that range.
(29:05):
But you know, they did need to get Drake May
some help, and if he does get back healthy, it's
you know, it's understandable to want him on your team
because he's better than who you got, no.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Question about it. This is the Doug Gotlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Daniel Jeremiah is our guest. Sam and
I got a little heated discussion. We were talking about
college basketball and I was trying to explain to him
the disparity between the haves and the have nots, and
he's like, you know, coaching, and like, again, I'm a
coach at a lower level. I understand coaching does totally matters,
(29:36):
but the idea that you can be competitive at the
lower end division one with the top end division one.
I ask you that because as you get ready for
your draft prep, the disparity in the talent between you know,
the f not not just the FCS and FBS, but
the power for conferences and everywhere else. What's the app Like.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
It's never been larger, you know, And I think this tournament,
this basketball tournament's been kind of an eye opener. But
if you have followed college football, you're kind of seeing it,
you know, like this is this is this is where
we are. And I'm you know, graduate of Appalachian State University.
It's never been harder than it is right now for
(30:22):
that program. And I you know, from a football standpoint,
you're you go out there and you you know, you recruit,
you develop, you get the guys on the field, they perform.
And I think we had I think we lost four
kids to the SEC you know before last year, and
it's like, gosh, what happened to the program? And it's like, well,
all these all the stuff that we've done for thirty
(30:42):
forty years that's led to a winning program is no
longer an advantage. And I see it, you know, outside
of those you know, the big conferences, like you're seeing
it living in San Diego, San Diego State, Like Kidd
has a great year, guess what, He's gone to Ohio
State next year. Like you, you're not going to be
able to keep them. So it's just such a constant churn.
(31:03):
I don't know what the answer is for those programs.
You know, it's almost like it's it's kind of separated.
It felt like remember when it used to be fewer
teams in Division one and football, and there was a
bigger group in one Double A, and then all these schools,
including the one I went to, jumped up and one
Double A was smaller. Now it's like basically the Power
four is Division one and the non Power four is
(31:26):
Division one Double A. That's like what it was, you know,
twenty years ago. It's just kind of all it's the
haves and the have not. It's on no.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I could not possibly agree with you more. Right, Like
a lower level teams become the farm system for the
bigger teams. And the bigger teams also they'll just you know,
stack guys. You know, they'll pay guys a bunch of
money sit on their bench because those guys are like,
I'm not going.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
To make it the pros anyway I was talking to
I was talking to a coach in the SEC, the
head coach in the SEC for football two days ago,
and we were talking about their roster and some of
the guys they got and how you know, how it
looks for the spring and going over things, and he
just goes, yeah, you know, we got this one player
if he was a higher profile SEC program and and
(32:12):
he was like, I'm like, well, how did you get him?
He said, well, he was only making five hundred thousand there,
We paid him a million. Wasn't even he wasn't even
really getting on the field. But I mean like that
that's the That's just insane to me. Like that's how
what the money is right now.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yep, that is insane and that is how it works. DJ.
Can't wait to see you in Green Bay. We'll talk
to you next week. Thanks so much for be our guest.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
Thanks Buddy Man.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
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Speaker 6 (33:23):
There was a rumor circulating for a little while this
afternoon before it was shot down by various entities. But
it all started Bruce Drennan, based out of Cleveland, reported
that the Cleveland Browns were negotiating and I'm using his
words quote as we speak with the Dallas Cowboys for
a trade with Dak Prescott end quote. Now, multiple NFL reporters,
(33:51):
Cowboy reporters have put it to the fact that Dak
has a no trade clause. Other people have jumped out
and said, yeah, this is not true. I wish it
was true. Some said, but it's not but a false rumor.
So if you hear Dak to the Browns, that is
not the case.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
This is a little Lenay Kakua trade.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
It could be.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
It very well could be. There is a move in
the NFL today that was made that as people talking,
it actually happened. In the world of CBS, a bit
of a shakeup won't happen for a little while though.
Gary Danielson, longtime college football analysts, announced that he is
going to be stepping down after the twenty twenty five season.
(34:35):
So CBS announced that Charles Davis will fill Danielson's seat
as the lead analyst for their college football broadcast starting
in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Well.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
JJ Watt will then take over Davis's spot next to
Iron Eagle in the CBS NFL booth, being the number
two team behind Jim Nansen, Tony Romo.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
H hmm.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
Do you want to go Danielson? Do you want to
go Charles Davis? Do you want to go? JJ Watt?
Speaker 1 (35:09):
All of those are on brand for CBS, right, like
JJ Watt Captain America. I don't know if he's actually
called games before, but I'm sure he'll be good. But
you know, I mean, I makes Iron made me look good,
so he can make anybody look good, right. I all
(35:31):
that tracks Gary Daniels is really good. He's been really
good for a long time. And you know, they had
a regime change there at CBS as Sean mcmahonus retired.
Now David Burston takes over. So that's I think what's
behind some of these deals.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
You also, I mean, you know, Danielson's been around the game.
You wonder how much is it though, and Andrew Marshan
and even speculated on this, how much is it CBS
putting the squeeze on Tony Romo to be like, hey,
guess what, we may have your heir apparent right here
if things don't shape up in that booth.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I don't know. I mean I think they can't. The
big thing is they owe so much money. I don't
think you'll have another contract in CBS. But yeah, that
contracts about to be dead.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Speaking of CBS retirements, there was a story that was
going around that Jim Nance is going to retire from
the Calling Golf in twenty thirty six, which would be
the one hundredth anniversary of the Masters and his fifty
first and apparently Nance said that a long time ago,
so that's not really new news, but it was lumped
in with all of the conversations that were happening today
(36:33):
about the changes at CBS. All Right, Doug. West Virginia's
hired North Texas head coach Ross Hodge to be their
new men's basketball coach, replacing Darren Devrees who left for Indiana.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
And Hodges at North Texas. And of course Ren Baker,
who a fellow Oklahoma State of lum really good friend
of mine, was at North Texas as athletic director previous
to being at West Virginia. So again, people you work with,
and they just beat Ocloba State.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
By the way, last night, the NFL officially released their
rule change proposals from the Competition Committee Doug. That includes
moving the touchback on the dynamic kickoff from the thirty
to thirty five yard line, as the league is hoping
that will produce more kickoff returns than they did this
past year.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
I like it again. It's like you're trying to please
two masters. Right, You're trying to have the player's safety,
but you're trying to make it entertaining. And it's a
slight adjustment. So let's see.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
I am one hundred percent with you, because at one
point when I first heard it, I'm like, my good goodness,
what are you trying to do? But yeah, because I
think once you go away from it, there's no bringing
it back. So they're meaning the kickoff. So they're trying
to exhaust to every single option. And for the first
time ever, according to Forbes, a major League baseball team
has been valued at over eight billion dollars. That is
(37:50):
the New York Yankees eight point two billion. Dodgers come
in second at six point eight billion. Doug, that's the press,
Get out.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
There and pressed was the press.
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Speaker 2 (00:51):
The midway.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
So wording is important. Since text is important, uh, character
context is important. I think Jay stew you came up
with this question. It's a pretty darn good one. You
want to lay it out exactly what we're looking for
in this argument about college basketball.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
Thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here, and I
don't really need to lay it out. I think there
is one one person who can lay it out perfectly.
It is the preeminent voice of sports talk radio right now,
Colin Cowherd on his show today, and he talked about
Cinderella and them being no mid majors in the sweet sixteenth.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
The other thing I've been pushing back on is this
hot take that I saw this headline yesterday. The nil
and the Transfer portal are sucking the madness out of
March again. TV ratings illustrate that we're not watching for madness.
We're watching for Duke. We're watching for favorites. You know
(01:51):
you talk about all this madness and all these upsets.
I'll give an example. The biggest memories for most people
watching college basutsketball. Number one is the Christian Latner shot
he played for Duke. They beat Kentucky, No Cinderella in
that moment, two massive brands. That's the most memorable shot,
(02:13):
in my opinion, in the history of the tournament. Second,
you could argue second is young Michael Jordan hitting the
basket against Georgetown, U n C against the Hoyas. No Cinderella,
John Thompson and Dean Smith, two huge brands. Those are
semi recent memories of college basketball. You name me, remember
(02:39):
a couple of years ago. My point is there's so
much mythology about Cinderella. Never forget Cinderella. That that was
a moment, but she was a house cleaner for the
other three hundred and sixty days a year. Okay, Right,
you've made Cinderella in the Oh my god, that was
a night. That was a ball. That's it.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Okay. So the question is does Cinderella being not being
invited to the dance or to the Sweet sixteen dance?
Does it make you want to watch less? That is
that the or what? Again? Give me the actual question
so I can provide the right answer.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
If if the narrative of the week is that Cinderella
is dead and because of Nil, there's not going to
be a lot of these big upsets, does that make
the tournament less interesting? Are you going to be less
inclined to watch? Colin Cowhard says that nobody was watching
for the Cinderellas.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Okay, I think this is more a perception than a reality, right,
because you know, the highest rated finals in the last
twenty years, I believe is the Butler Duke one. The
perception is it's because of the Cinderella Butler. It's probably
(04:02):
more likely because it was Duke. Or maybe it's because
it's Duke and Butler. Right, it's David and Goliath.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Yeah, it's Rocky and Ivan Draco. That's what we're after.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Again, I don't I think people watch because of the bracket,
but I think people watched the first weekend because the UPSTCE.
So I again, I think he's wrong. Byron, what do
you think because you've you follow this thing as closely
as I have for your lifetime.
Speaker 6 (04:30):
Yeah, it's really interesting. There's so much conversation about it.
And I think that if you follow anything in college basketball,
you've seen the graphic put out by the NCAA Buzzer
Beaters site on the Sweet sixteen and where each team
had their players start their career, and it's pretty jarring
(04:52):
when you look at at the movement. It's more jarring
to see that Purdue all five of their starters started
their careers at Purdue, so you have that change with it.
I would argue. My feeling is is the first and foremost,
like fantasy football, we care about our brackets, and if
(05:12):
you do partake in that X experiment, whatever you want
to call it, in those competitions, you will find a
reason to make any game fun. I think that there
were a bunch of marquee games on Sunday, yukon Florida.
I believe was in that early window you had Kentucky
against Illinois, another good one. But if you're playing in
(05:37):
a bracket pool and you're watching Maryland and Colorado State
for that to go down to the wire, and I
don't know if Colorado State's the buzzer beater in that aspect,
but if you have Maryland going to the final four,
that game is more of interest to you. And that's
where I think the matgic is, like, I don't think
it's I don't think it's a coincidence that when you
(05:59):
look at the middle of the courts in the first
and second rounds and I think they'll probably do them here,
that you have March Madness with actual brackets in the logo.
It's not NC DOUBLEA, it's not the Final four logo
until you get to the Final four but these first
couple of rounds, like you see the brackets, and that's
what I think is more of the interest in anything.
(06:21):
And while maybe you don't latch onto the players like
you used to, I find interest in your picks and
how you think the tournament's going to go exercise. What
I was looking for, not experiment, but exercise. That was
the word.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
What about you, Sammy.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
I think my issue with what con said is sort
of like his deferring to like this is just how
it is now and that the brands are going to
be the ones that make it through. That's why we're watching.
And you know, our editor and producer here, Ryan Bercheneer,
he brought up a good point. He said, when it
was we were seeing a lot of you know, Wichita
States and George Mason's, you know vcus Like every year
(07:02):
it seemed like someone was making it to the final four,
the so called mid major little guy that maybe we
got a little bit. We expected it to happen every year,
and uh with it won't happen every year. There's you
see guys where they have a good season at a
mid major program and then they go up to the
Power five leagues. They just can make that movement. So
it Unfortunately, there's a lot of talent drain out of
(07:23):
the mid majors after a guy has a good season.
So yeah, you're probably gonna see these Cinderellas less. But
I think it's still incredibly important that we have those
because you know, the one thing that's separating the only
little thing now that's still separating pro sports from college sports,
is that idea, even if it's just an idea of
the little guy having a chance. And so if it's
(07:43):
all brands, it's all big brands. If you're so called
Cinderella is Arkansas, then it's then I think it's just
it becomes a little sterilen.
Speaker 6 (07:54):
Can I jump in here? Yeah, and Doug you know
this firsthand. But one of the greatest movies, you know,
my favorite movie of all time is Hoosiers, and it's
based on the little school going up against the big
school and the championship and winning that, which again is
(08:15):
based on a true story from the nineteen fifties. In
the state of Indiana, and Indiana high school basketball is
top of the charts. You know, you've got eight thousand
seat high school arenas, but there is no longer in
high school athletics, the ability of the little small school
to climb up and beat the big one. It's just
(08:36):
not a fair fight. In the state that Doug lives
in right now, in the state of Wisconsin, they've now
expanded to five divisions. When I think I was in
high school, there was maybe three in terms of but
there is no shot for a Division five school to
beat a Division IE school. So I almost feel like
the NCAA in a way is kind of late to
the party because this has been happening in high school
(08:58):
hoops for so long, Like those magical stories of David
beating Goliath just aren't there anymore. And I feel that
they they've been happening and we don't even have that
in high school anymore because of how that has changed.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Agreed, I hate the I hate the multiple state champion thing.
Speaker 5 (09:17):
Class four A, Class two A.
Speaker 6 (09:19):
You know, you know, I think we all would love
to have one bracket. But I mean, it's it's not
a fair fight, right, I mean.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
It's never It's never been a fair fight. But again,
that's part of the three point line is an equalizer,
it really is. It's a less fair fight if you
have a shot clock which everybody wants the shot clock
because you know teams abuse it and hold the basketball.
But I I, yeah, it's I don't know if we
say get used to it, because yeah, get used to it.
(09:49):
I mean basically what it is is this in college sports,
those of us who played it or covered it, we
all knew which teams cheated, broke rules, paid players right.
And because of that, you know there was you know,
a team here or there at a lower a level,
(10:10):
lower than they should have been, that could overachieve, or
you know, at whatever level they would have slightly better
players than everybody else. And you know, we're constantly searching
for cheaters. And sometimes when teams had unseen success, even
at the high major level, but in place that had
been successful, we assumed that that cheating took place. Now
it's all legal, right, it's all legal. And so if
(10:31):
you have more money, you can get not just better
support for your players, but better players. But look, the
reality is McNee State, Okay, McNee State had I believe,
spent as much or more money than Clemson did. So
it wasn't an upset when they beat them. Just wasn't
Akron won the back again. Okay, Akron had seven to
(10:55):
ten x of nil in their team than teams in
their own league, So of course they won their league.
And then they run up on somebody else who has
two x three x of what they're spending, and of
course they get beat. You you have better players.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
Well.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
Coaching matters too though, right with Will Wade at McNeese
and John Groves the budy, I know, but you have
to also the card buddy.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
You have to have a good They had a million five.
You can't a million. They had a million. They had
a million five. Okay, do you understand what that means? Yeah,
I mean players.
Speaker 5 (11:31):
You put him in a position to win. Doug to Illinois.
Will coached at LSU and when he was.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
When he was at Illinois. Okay, they had to do
things by the rules because Illinois back in the day
always broke the rules. Everybody knows that. Okay. Now when
you have and I believe Accron has a round last
year had about a million dollars, Okay, I know a
team in that league that had ninety five thousand dollars
in an al. Remember how that works. You got fifteen guys,
(12:00):
thirteen guys on scholarship, So maybe you give a couple
of guys to and look, a lot of my guys
didn't get a penny last year. They're fine with it, okay,
And I know I was close to the bottom of
the league. I've never complained about it, okay, because we
have to get more competitive in ANIL. But we have
to just have to get more competitive how we play
and how we recruit, and we got to take the
right guys. Like, I get it. But again, like you
(12:22):
don't understand what you're talking about, Sam.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, I do, Doug.
Speaker 5 (12:25):
It's an opinion.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Yeah, it's not.
Speaker 5 (12:27):
It's not all players. Coaching matters too. That's why you
can have a cinderell at some point where maybe they
take the lesser nil the guy the team with the
less ANIL A.
Speaker 6 (12:35):
Different games, Sam, It's just different than the damn Sam.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I want you to think about this. Okay, let me
think about this for a second. There's a kid named
because I'm not gonna get him, so I'll just tell you.
His name is Jalen Jackson. He's at he was at
Fort Wayne. Okay, he's gonna go to he He had
thirty six or thirty nine against Michigan this year, so
he's been at Fort Wayne, uh for a couple of years, right,
and now he's gonna leave and he's gonna go play
(13:00):
in the in the Big ten. If Fort Wayne is
so lucky to make the NCAA tournament, like they can't
compete against the guy who's clearly their best player. It's
not just that they're getting better players, they're getting guys
that are older and better. Right. The way in which
you used to be able to win at our level
is we had guys that stuck together for four or
five years and they'd be, you know, twenty one to
(13:23):
twenty three years old. They've played together a bunch, and
you play Kentucky and Kentucky would have, you know, guys
with more upside, but they're eighteen nineteen years old. Okay,
Now look at those rosters. They're not just better players.
They're older players, they're more developed, and then they're more supported.
They have well, you want to say better coaching, and look,
(13:45):
you know you can. You can tell me it's coaching.
And I do think that.
Speaker 5 (13:48):
No, no, no, I'm not saying it all coaching. I just
bring that up as a fact.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
It's absolutely true that coaching does matter, Okay, because you
can have a bunch of money and chemistry does matter
having the piece if all those things matter, Okay, but
I'm just telling you, like again, the example is Mike Boyton,
my good friend, who's at Michigan now. He was at
Oklahoma State last year. He was at Oklham State last year,
(14:15):
and last year in an effort to compete, he had
Brandon Garrison who's now at Kentucky. He had Eric Day
who's at UCLA, and he had Javon Small who's at
West Virginia. Okay, and I know of another starter at
Michigan who just played really really really really well for
(14:35):
Michigan in their second round win. Okay. If Mike Boyton
at a high major school, had he had the money
and had another year, he would have had to pay
to keep those guys around for year two. Would they
be good enough? Yeah, and then he would have been
able to go out and get a couple more guys.
It just matters. Okay. I'm not saying that coaching doesn't matter. Okay,
(14:57):
but I'm telling you it's ever been a totally fair fight,
and now it's almost an impossible fight.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
You're right, It's it's more and more like like trying
to put the best college team against the worst NFL team.
Of course the NFL team's gonna win. They're gonna bludget them.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
I get that.
Speaker 5 (15:13):
I totally do right.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
And and again the one the kind of one of
the factors that used to bring things kind of closer
together between the haves and the have nots was age
and experience. And now they're buying up like we're a
feeder system.
Speaker 5 (15:31):
Yeah, that's why I said, mid major guys, they have
a great year than they go on to Yes, up and.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Up and up the tiers.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
I have.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I have two that ones in the portal. One I
know is going in the portal that they're going to
make a lot, a lot of money next year, and
I have to celebrate that. I can't be the guy
who's like, my job is to get you your next
next great job. Hopefully it's playing professional basketball. Maybe he's
playing college basketball. But in regards to the NCAA tournament,
like it's always been really really hard, and now we've
(16:00):
made it borderline impossible. And remember they have this new
everybody's opting in where you can use a revenue share. Okay,
and the revenue share could be for basketball programs for
the high majors, you know, the Big ten, the SEC,
and even the Big twelve up to three and a
half million dollars. But then they have collectives on top
of that that throw in another two and a half
(16:22):
million dollars, and we're in the low six figure variety.
Like it's it's just not comparable. And so you already
have all the other good stuff. Yeah, yeah, I Again,
if we get back to the question of it, the
answer is does it take away from it? Yeah? I mean,
(16:43):
it wasn't hard at all for me to pick. Go
look at my bracket. I just picked the teams that
had that had the most money, and I got most
of them.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Right.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
It's not because I know anything more than I've ever
known previously. I probably known less because I watched less
high major basketball than I've ever watched, because I watched
my team level guys. We're recruiting guys that may be
in the portal, like that's all part of the job
that you have to do, right, But I don't even
But I've done better in the bracket than ever because
I simply said, yes, do I think coaching matters, absolutely,
(17:14):
But I also know that it's not as much X
as and O's, It's Jimmy's and jokes, and that is
the Midway.
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of the day in the NFL, if you woke up
to it was Russell Wilson signs, And I thought there
was a chance Russell Wilson's NFL career was over. Not
because he couldn't be a backup, but Russell Wilson doesn't
seem like a guy who fits being a backup, right,
(18:23):
So he signs with the New York Giants, and you're like, oh, okay, well,
obviously the Giants are out on the air Rogers and
they have Jameis Winston, so he got two quarterbacks. So
that means they're out in Shador Sanders. But we know
Shodor Sanders or we think, doesn't want to go to
the Browns, right, and the Tennessee Titans looked like they're
gonna draft Cam Moore, So what does that mean for store?
(18:44):
Let's welcome in Daniel Jeremiah. DJ of course is when
you watch the NFL Network on April twenty fourth, lave
in Green Bay, you'll see Daniel Jeremiah. He's the lead
NFL draft analyst on the NFL Network intew on Fox
Sports Radio. What does Russell Wilson signing with the Giants
(19:05):
need for Shador Sanders.
Speaker 7 (19:08):
Great to hear from me, Doug, You know, I don't
think there's concrete information you can take out of that.
The reason I say that is I think if they
were you know, if they still had big grades, if
they loved shud Or Sanders, I would think they could
still take him. There is a little bit of precedent
with this, you know, when the Jets had signed McCown
and signed Geno Smith, and they drafted Sam and then
(19:30):
they traded Geno, so we have seen I wouldn't totally
rule that out. But to me, I always look at
these things and I look at windows and timelines and
urgency levels, and this is a Giants team that needs
to win games next year, so you go out and
get two veteran quarterbacks. It feels to me more like
that would be kind of the way they would go.
(19:51):
Their first pick would then be someone who can help
them win games next year. You know, whether that's you know,
Abdul Carter, Travis Hunter, whichever one of them you know,
could potentially be there. Maybe they're both there and they
have they have their choice. But that's where I would
be leaning at looking at it, But that's not you know,
that's not concrete, and uh, you know, I still wouldn't
(20:11):
be surprised if if they did do that, if they
were in the market for that next tier of quarterbacks,
just kind of roll the dice on one of the
you know, the the second tier guys in the next round.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Yeah, second day as I think a lot of a
lot of guys are going to fish on those second
day quarterbacks. Okay, so let's go back to Shador. What
are the options now? Like New Orleans is an option.
I guess Cleveland is an option, But there doesn't seem
to be a crazy number of options.
Speaker 7 (20:39):
Yeah, I think Shador is going to go two or
three or fall like that's the that's the options. Like
he's going to be, you know, a brown, he's going
to be a giant. And if those two, if he
gets past that third pick, then I think you could
go on a little bit of a tumble and then
you start seeing, you know, other teams become in the mix,
(21:00):
Like is the Rams, you know, do they like him?
Would they be interested in maybe moving up a little
bit or are they comfortable sitting and seeing if he's there?
The Steelers at twenty one, even if they signed Rogers, Like,
is that potentially in option? Miami, you know, is kind
of a sneaky one just because Tua you know, hasn't
been healthy and I think based off of his contract,
(21:21):
there's a way they can kind of free themselves a
little bit after this year. So maybe that's maybe that's
one we're not thinking of. But to answer your question, Doug,
I don't see a spot for him in the top
ten if he doesn't go two or three. I just
I don't think the Raiders are going to do it.
I feel like they've got an older coach. They went
out and got Geno. This feels like they're wanting to
(21:42):
win right now with Gino and then the Jets with
fields and his age, and at least you can still
sell yourself on his upside that they would try and
at least roll the dice with him for a little
bit and not go right back to the quarterback mark
before they saw him play a game. And then the
last one would be the Saints. And I just don't know.
(22:02):
I mean, there's a lot, there's a lot just in
terms of, uh, you know, with with with Dion and
with Shador and you're Kellen Moore first year head coach, like,
I don't know, that seems like that could be. You know,
Dion's gonna say he's going to refute that and say
there's nothing, there's nothing to it. But it is. There's
it's it's it's not just a normal first round quarterback pick.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Yeah, I would. I don't have any inside information into
the new Raiders regime, but it does stand to reason
that if Pete Carroll was most successful in the NFL
by drafting a quarterback in the third round and developed
and developing him slowly over time. And he has Geno
Smith who can be a nice placeholder. And the value
(22:47):
of the quarterbacks in this draft are outside of the
first day. Of course, that seems like it's they're played correct.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
Yeah, I think so. And I think with the Raiders specifically,
I mean, you're all offensive coordinator has just come off
of a national championship with Will Howard, so you could say, Okay,
you want to get another quarterback in there, then maybe
that's Will Howard. And you know where can you get him?
Is that the third round? You know, what does that
look like? With his value? I would think they would be,
(23:16):
you know, elated to make that call with their I
think they picked sixty eight in the third round. I
don't know if they would take him at thirty seven,
but that gives him a young quarterback and he gets
to come sit behind Geno and then they have the
sixth and thirty seventh pick to come in and help
him right away.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Forrader. That's the
voice of Daniel Jeremihs, the lead NFL Draft anilst for
the NFL Network. He also has moved The Sticks as
a podcast. Still no word on Aaron Rodgers, although they're
circling and there is there's at least and again this
is like social media, but apparently McAfee is having some
(23:54):
big show on the seventh of April, and there's some
discussion that he could announce. Then what do you think
the likeli it of him going to Pittsburgh's.
Speaker 7 (24:05):
Well, it's Pittsburgh retirement, and you know, I would think
this gets done with Pittsburgh. I don't think he's you know,
he's gonna retire at this point in time. So yeah,
I think it's inevitable. It's just a matter of how
long it's going to drag out it. It's it's entering
into the annoying territory. I would say just to like,
let's just let's just be able to plan around it
(24:28):
and get done. But who knows, maybe there's been some
private assurances made there to the Steelers. You know, I
don't know it is. I just it seems so unnecessary
to me, like just make a decision like this, yes
or no. You either want to play for the Steelers,
you want to retire, like, let's let's go.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
Yeah, I don't. I don't get either, but but it
does track. It is completely unbranded, is it not that
that of all the guys to make everybody wait, Aaron
Rodgers is don't don't.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
You think this is different, Doug like for like in
the past, it's been man every day, like you check
in like I don't know about you, but like I don't.
I'm not clicking refresh on my computer to see if
he's coming back or not. It's just kind of like, well,
they're gonna play with Aaron Rodgers or I guess they
go you know, they've got Mason Rudolph, they go out
and sign Joe Flacco. You know, I don't know. But
it's not it's not front of mine like it was
(25:14):
previously with him. I think if you thought this was
going to bring you attention, I don't know that it is.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Okay, let's circle back to the other part. Why the
Giants think that Russell Wilson can be the answer. When
the Steelers, the Broncos times two and the Seahawks clear
they do not.
Speaker 7 (25:32):
Well, they must feel like they've got the system and
the pieces in place to help him, I guess to
get a better performance. I don't know that it's a
massive upgrade there, you know, over what you had in
Daniel Jones. I know you can a lot of fans
like to do on social media. It's just post out
the touchdowns to interception ratio as the be all end all.
(25:54):
But if you watch those games down the stretch for Pittsburgh,
that was tough. That was tough to watch. So yeah,
I don't know. I know, You've got a lot of
experience there. He's a veteran. He can get you in
and out of the right plays and and learn the
system and all that stuff. But you tell me, Doug,
when you look around that division, how do you I mean,
(26:14):
they're a distant force with him or jamis starting in
terms of the quarterback position, They're uh, they're fighting uphill.
Speaker 1 (26:23):
They are fighting uphill. It's the Doug Gotlib Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. Daniel Jeremiah is is our guest. Okay,
So we did kind of sort of bury the lead,
if you will, and that lead would be that we
were interested. If you know, the Titans early on put
out some sort of chum in the water that they
(26:44):
weren't going to draft cam Ward. Now they are. What
are your expectations for cam Ward with the Titans.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
Yeah, I mean, I think that's what they do, and
I uh, you know, the upside is very high. He's
got a ton of talent. He's got He's got a
big time arm. I like the fact that he's strong
and sturdy in there. He's not a huge guy, but
he's thick and so he's got quick hands. RPO stuff
should be good. I think they've built their team thug.
(27:12):
A lot of people focused on the moves they made
on the offensive line and said, oh, they've built their
team to be able to protect, to better protect a
young quarterback. And I look at the guys they brought in.
They brought in guys that can run, block like they
are going to try and run the football and protect.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Protect a different way.
Speaker 7 (27:29):
Of doing it. It's a different way of doing it,
but that's that's the type of team I think they're
going to be. So yeah, I'm totally good with it.
I don't you know. I can make a case with
with Abdul Carter is the best player in the draft
for me. He is. Travis Hunter would be behind him there,
but you know, when you don't have a quarterback and
you've got one who has the upside you can dream on.
(27:50):
I am very much against the first overall pick on
a quarterback that if he hits his ceiling, you're still
going to want more. You can't do that. This kid
at least has that upside you can dream on.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
It is the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio.
Stefan Diggs has a torn acl yet the Patriots game
a bunch of money. And again, if we're honest, the
Bills were kind of done with stuff on Diggs and
they were just just as good, if not better, without him.
What are your thoughts on the Patriots and their level
of investment in the receiver.
Speaker 7 (28:23):
I just don't know. I mean, I guess I'm okay
with it. You know, the number, and he had played
well in Houston last year before he got hurt. He
there's no argument from what you said about Buffalo though
they didn't you know, they didn't skip the beat, and
Josh Allen played better you know, without him, So those
things are true. I'm okay with them signing him, and
(28:43):
even the money. I guess if it happened at the beginning,
of free agency, and we were under the illusion that
there were a bunch of other shuitters. I just don't
know who you were bidding against at this point in time.
You know, just from a number standpoint, it seemed a
little bit high, not knowing what kind of market was
out there. But maybe, hey, maybe maybe you and I
are out of the loop, and maybe there were multiple
teams that were willing to pay him in that range.
(29:05):
But you know, they did need to get Drake May
some help, and if he does get back healthy, it's
you know, it's understandable to want him on your team
because he's better than who you got, no.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Question about it. This is the Doug Gotlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radio. Daniel Jeremiah is our guest. Sam and
I got a little heated discussion. We were talking about
college basketball and I was trying to explain to him
the disparity between the haves and the have nots, and
he's like, you know, coaching, and like, again, I'm a
coach at a lower level. I understand coaching does totally matters,
(29:36):
but the idea that you can be competitive at the
lower end division one with the top end division one.
I ask you that because as you get ready for
your draft prep, the disparity in the talent between you know,
the f not not just the FCS and FBS, but
the power for conferences and everywhere else. What's the app Like.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
It's never been larger, you know, And I think this tournament,
this basketball tournament's been kind of an eye opener. But
if you have followed college football, you're kind of seeing it,
you know, like this is this is this is where
we are. And I'm you know, graduate of Appalachian State University.
It's never been harder than it is right now for
(30:22):
that program. And I you know, from a football standpoint,
you're you go out there and you you know, you recruit,
you develop, you get the guys on the field, they perform.
And I think we had I think we lost four
kids to the SEC you know before last year, and
it's like, gosh, what happened to the program? And it's like, well,
all these all the stuff that we've done for thirty
(30:42):
forty years that's led to a winning program is no
longer an advantage. And I see it, you know, outside
of those you know, the big conferences, like you're seeing
it living in San Diego, San Diego State, Like Kidd
has a great year, guess what, He's gone to Ohio
State next year. Like you, you're not going to be
able to keep them. So it's just such a constant churn.
(31:03):
I don't know what the answer is for those programs.
You know, it's almost like it's it's kind of separated.
It felt like remember when it used to be fewer
teams in Division one and football, and there was a
bigger group in one Double A, and then all these schools,
including the one I went to, jumped up and one
Double A was smaller. Now it's like basically the Power
four is Division one and the non Power four is
(31:26):
Division one Double A. That's like what it was, you know,
twenty years ago. It's just kind of all it's the
haves and the have not. It's on no.
Speaker 1 (31:34):
I could not possibly agree with you more. Right, Like
a lower level teams become the farm system for the
bigger teams. And the bigger teams also they'll just you know,
stack guys. You know, they'll pay guys a bunch of
money sit on their bench because those guys are like,
I'm not going.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
To make it the pros anyway I was talking to
I was talking to a coach in the SEC, the
head coach in the SEC for football two days ago,
and we were talking about their roster and some of
the guys they got and how you know, how it
looks for the spring and going over things, and he
just goes, yeah, you know, we got this one player
if he was a higher profile SEC program and and
(32:12):
he was like, I'm like, well, how did you get him?
He said, well, he was only making five hundred thousand there,
We paid him a million. Wasn't even he wasn't even
really getting on the field. But I mean like that
that's the That's just insane to me. Like that's how
what the money is right now.
Speaker 1 (32:28):
Yep, that is insane and that is how it works. DJ.
Can't wait to see you in Green Bay. We'll talk
to you next week. Thanks so much for be our guest.
Speaker 7 (32:35):
Thanks Buddy Man.
Speaker 2 (32:36):
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Speaker 6 (33:23):
There was a rumor circulating for a little while this
afternoon before it was shot down by various entities. But
it all started Bruce Drennan, based out of Cleveland, reported
that the Cleveland Browns were negotiating and I'm using his
words quote as we speak with the Dallas Cowboys for
a trade with Dak Prescott end quote. Now, multiple NFL reporters,
(33:51):
Cowboy reporters have put it to the fact that Dak
has a no trade clause. Other people have jumped out
and said, yeah, this is not true. I wish it
was true. Some said, but it's not but a false rumor.
So if you hear Dak to the Browns, that is
not the case.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
This is a little Lenay Kakua trade.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
It could be.
Speaker 6 (34:14):
It very well could be. There is a move in
the NFL today that was made that as people talking,
it actually happened. In the world of CBS, a bit
of a shakeup won't happen for a little while though.
Gary Danielson, longtime college football analysts, announced that he is
going to be stepping down after the twenty twenty five season.
(34:35):
So CBS announced that Charles Davis will fill Danielson's seat
as the lead analyst for their college football broadcast starting
in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 3 (34:44):
Well.
Speaker 6 (34:44):
JJ Watt will then take over Davis's spot next to
Iron Eagle in the CBS NFL booth, being the number
two team behind Jim Nansen, Tony Romo.
Speaker 1 (34:56):
H hmm.
Speaker 6 (35:02):
Do you want to go Danielson? Do you want to
go Charles Davis? Do you want to go? JJ Watt?
Speaker 1 (35:09):
All of those are on brand for CBS, right, like
JJ Watt Captain America. I don't know if he's actually
called games before, but I'm sure he'll be good. But
you know, I mean, I makes Iron made me look good,
so he can make anybody look good, right. I all
(35:31):
that tracks Gary Daniels is really good. He's been really
good for a long time. And you know, they had
a regime change there at CBS as Sean mcmahonus retired.
Now David Burston takes over. So that's I think what's
behind some of these deals.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
You also, I mean, you know, Danielson's been around the game.
You wonder how much is it though, and Andrew Marshan
and even speculated on this, how much is it CBS
putting the squeeze on Tony Romo to be like, hey,
guess what, we may have your heir apparent right here
if things don't shape up in that booth.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
I don't know. I mean I think they can't. The
big thing is they owe so much money. I don't
think you'll have another contract in CBS. But yeah, that
contracts about to be dead.
Speaker 6 (36:12):
Speaking of CBS retirements, there was a story that was
going around that Jim Nance is going to retire from
the Calling Golf in twenty thirty six, which would be
the one hundredth anniversary of the Masters and his fifty
first and apparently Nance said that a long time ago,
so that's not really new news, but it was lumped
in with all of the conversations that were happening today
(36:33):
about the changes at CBS. All Right, Doug. West Virginia's
hired North Texas head coach Ross Hodge to be their
new men's basketball coach, replacing Darren Devrees who left for Indiana.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
And Hodges at North Texas. And of course Ren Baker,
who a fellow Oklahoma State of lum really good friend
of mine, was at North Texas as athletic director previous
to being at West Virginia. So again, people you work with,
and they just beat Ocloba State.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
By the way, last night, the NFL officially released their
rule change proposals from the Competition Committee Doug. That includes
moving the touchback on the dynamic kickoff from the thirty
to thirty five yard line, as the league is hoping
that will produce more kickoff returns than they did this
past year.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
I like it again. It's like you're trying to please
two masters. Right, You're trying to have the player's safety,
but you're trying to make it entertaining. And it's a
slight adjustment. So let's see.
Speaker 6 (37:29):
I am one hundred percent with you, because at one
point when I first heard it, I'm like, my good goodness,
what are you trying to do? But yeah, because I
think once you go away from it, there's no bringing
it back. So they're meaning the kickoff. So they're trying
to exhaust to every single option. And for the first
time ever, according to Forbes, a major League baseball team
has been valued at over eight billion dollars. That is
(37:50):
the New York Yankees eight point two billion. Dodgers come
in second at six point eight billion. Doug, that's the press,
Get out.
Speaker 2 (37:59):
There and pressed was the press.
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