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November 12, 2025 38 mins

Doug and the crew discuss old school v new school as it relates to what athletes are wearing during play in this installment of "The Midway". Doug welcomes FSR NFL Insider Adam Caplan onto the show to talk about the Eagles, Giants and all of the headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through "The Press".

 

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(00:43):
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to that, let's get the Midway. He's not getting the
middle It's time for the.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Midway.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Okay there, Dan Buyer, Jason Stewart.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
You Jason, thank you, Doug. I'll take it from here. Yeah,
a couple of options today. As I sent out the
group text earlier today, Aaron Glenn picks a fight with
the New York media again. And on the same day
that Micah Parsons sent a quote tweet at Colin Cowherd
with a couple f bombs. Tell me he doesn't know

(01:52):
what he's talking about. And I'm thinking, when the athletes
and coaches pick fights with the media, when does it
ever end? Well, examples of fights and maybe examples of
people being punished after the fact for their relationships with
the media. But then Iowa Sam brought a very interesting

(02:13):
topic to the forefront, and it's Rich Rod on a
radio show saying this about his players.

Speaker 4 (02:23):
I don't want to be the uniform police, like if
their pants aren't pulled down enough. I don't want these
guys like some of you ever see this bothers me,
they there's not a towel they wear. They were like
a tail. It's not like you're keeping your hands dry
with something that's like three inches and it's long like
it looks like a tail. I'm like, when the hell
we start putting tails on our guy. It's the same

(02:44):
thing like you know, watching games and teams that they
got mouthpieces, but they got glow in a dark mouthpieces,
but they ain't using them.

Speaker 5 (02:50):
It's just decoration, decoration, design one not here. No, we
don't do that. You got a mouthpiece you put in
your mouth, that's it. You don't put no glow in
the dark. It's the same way with shoes. You ever
watch shoes out?

Speaker 4 (03:01):
Basketball is different, but football, you wear the shoes that
we give you. You don't go over to you know,
get your own fancy shoes and put some sparkles on
it or whatever the hell it is. And you know,
pink shoes and whatever. A shoe that we give Danny
need that gives down, and that's the shoe you wear.
It's called a uniform. So we all are the same.
You know, it's all the same. You don't see the

(03:22):
military when they go out to do battle, one wearing green,
one wearing white.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
You know, they're all uniformed.

Speaker 4 (03:27):
All right, that's what we got to be.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
I like it.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
I talked to the guy who works in the NFL.
He said, Coach, it's crazy. We got guys, and they'll
find them. They'll find them thousands of dollars. They'll find
the coaches, they'll find the equipment managers, they'll find the
owners of the team. Because they want everybody to look
uniform as well. So the NFL, you don't mess around
with that. We let these kids wear all kinds of
like glow in the dark mouth pieces and some kind
of crap like that, and it drives me crazy.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
I'm with you, Rich, I'm with it.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
I didn't know what the fans like it.

Speaker 4 (03:51):
I thought maybe the fans like I can't wait till
Johnny comes out there with the sparkling blue glowing a
dark mouth piece. So it makes me my favorite player, Now.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Are you kidding?

Speaker 6 (04:03):
Me.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
It's like they were these like the legans, right, if
you had a leg injury and you had a niche
brain or something, and then the trainer gives you a
knee sleeve to keep that knee a little mis understandable.
But if you're just wearing like one long legan on
one leg and nothing on the other, you're just trying
to be Angel Reese. That's what I called. Are you

(04:24):
Angel Reese? You're trying to make a fashion statement. She
could get by with it. Yeah, she's in w NBA.
You're a football player, are no?

Speaker 3 (04:33):
No?

Speaker 4 (04:33):
No, Angel Reese is here.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Since we're the only national radio show that has a
current head coach as the host and we've all played sports,
I think this is a very relatable topic that rich
Rod mirrors a lot of thoughts of people of a
certain generation. So maybe this is a better midway topic today.
What do you guys think?

Speaker 1 (04:52):
I agree with yours, I agree with I like Sammy's topic, Jason,
I mean I did.

Speaker 7 (04:58):
Yeah, I'm game of it. I think there's a lot there.

Speaker 3 (05:02):
Okay, I think that this is my question for you guys,
before we get into the kind of just the generality
of this, I want to go micro first before we
go macro. Why do players put fluorescent mouthpieces and their
top hole of their helmet. What function does that serve?

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Uh?

Speaker 7 (05:27):
Yeah, because you would think it should be in their mouth,
But they also some don't want to have the strap
on the face mask, so when they cut the strap off,
they need to put the mouthguard somewhere where other guys
whould just have it in their mouth or let it
hang down on the strap. If they don't want to
keep it in their mouth, they put it in the
top hole.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
I think what you're getting at, Dan is the macro,
which is the promotion of individualism. A whole generation of
kids that have been told that be yourself on the field,
be yourself, encouraged to be yourself, be an individual, and
that just doesn't quite jive with the overall nature of

(06:08):
team sports. Being an individual clashing with the selflessness of
being on a team. I think that's the core of
what rich rod Is get into.

Speaker 7 (06:18):
No, I think that, yes he is. I don't think
the mouthguard in your helmet is I think some guys
don't mind it hanging from their face mask, and others don't,
so they'll put it on the top of their helmet.
The issue that I have is that I think it's
a huge tell if you are or aren't putting your
mouthguard in on certain plays, like if you're a wide receiver,

(06:38):
you could track how many times you're putting your mouthguard
in if it's a pass play.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Right.

Speaker 7 (06:43):
Oh, so you're.

Speaker 3 (06:44):
Talking about the actual people that are using their mouthguard.
I'm talking about the kids that are not using their
mouthguard at all, that they put it at the very
top of their helmet, in the hole at the top
of the helmet. Yeah, just dangling for forty minutes without
action we use in them.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 8 (07:03):
I this this rant spoke to me because there is
so much apparel and equipment usage in all sports that
has just become impractical.

Speaker 7 (07:14):
Like it is.

Speaker 8 (07:15):
It's just like the Asia Wilson Asia Wilson or Angel
Ree's leg sleeve. Like I get that there are, like
rich Rod said, there's certain compression sleeves to help with,
you know, pain mitigation, but there's just other times where
it's just done to just look different, stand out, And
I don't know, I guess I just align more like
the old school coach mentality. I just love this and

(07:35):
I love an old grumpy guy like rich Rod just
going on a rant like this.

Speaker 9 (07:39):
It's just it sings. It sings to me. It sings
to me. So I just want to I want to
just point something out here. I'm watching a game on
NFL Network, a replay right now, the Bears Giants game
that they had on Sunday, and there is a player
on the Bears that is wearing a neon yellow mouth guard.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Yep.

Speaker 7 (08:01):
Okay, so as I look, it's rookie Luther Burden, the
third yep. And on this play where his mouthguard is
hanging down knee on yellow, they have a running play
to DeAndre Swift. So I the reason I'm pointing that

(08:23):
out is I get some guys don't want something hanging
onto their face mask. So that's why I'm and Jason
talks about the mouthguard being in the top of their helmet.
I don't think people are putting their mouthguard on the
top of their helmet to say, look at me, I've
got antlers. I'm a mouthguard guy. It's in the top.
I think it's actually detrimental to your team on what
the play is actually going to how it's going to happen.

(08:45):
If we want to talk about Luthor Burden wearing a
bright knee on yellow mouthguard that I can see that
stands out, and if I see that it's hanging down,
I think it's an absolute tell on what the team
may actually do in that situation.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, I understand Dan what you're getting at, and it
tells I'll just take the coach's perspective. And I was
a player, right, So it starts with the sneakers in basketball, right,
And no one wants to wear the team sneakers because
the team sneakers are generally they're not made for big guys,
they're not made for guards, They're just made for everybody. Right,

(09:23):
So they send you some sneakers that are generally sturdy
and solid, usually mid tops, because they're not high, they
not low, and just kind of in between. And so
the first thing is like you look on basketball teams like, well,
they all have the same sneaker on. Yeah, that feels
a little high school leg a little cliche. I liked
how my coach would do it at Oklahomo State. Oh
he hey, Sutton would do it. You know, if you're

(09:44):
a starter, you got more leeway. You got to order
different shoes. His stars, you know, not me, but his
stars got to get whatever kind of whatever nikes they wanted,
and he would take care of them and everybody else.
You gotta wear team shoe. Where I draw the line is, uh,
you know some of it you just say, you just
tell my rules are you can't wear that. But where
iron line is, they're going on a bus right now

(10:07):
to go to Saint Thomas, and I become that guy
where hey, we're we're wearing we have really comfortable all
black sweats. That's what we're wearing on the bus, and
we're wearing you gotta wear you know you They have
a couple of bears of Adidas, either running shoes or
walk around shoes. Gotta be sneakers because if not, they
end up with crocs, they end up with those like

(10:29):
Birkenstock slides. They like those. Those are hideous and it
just doesn't look like a well run organization in during
the game. Wear whatever sneakers they want, gotta.

Speaker 8 (10:41):
Be Adidas and Doug kind of to Dan's point. But
on the flip side, like sometimes in football and basketball
teams will use they'll have a guy wear certain colors
they can see him better, right like so they can
track him better on the court or on the on
the on the ground.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
No, that's not a thing in basketball. No, well going,
Oh your parents can track you by your friends con
tract you better.

Speaker 8 (11:01):
But no, there's I saw there was something in football
or basketball where maybe a guy wears a certain thing
just to kind of stand out a little babe.

Speaker 3 (11:09):
That is absolutely the case.

Speaker 8 (11:10):
Sure, okay, maybe more, maybe more in football, And I
know that the individuals.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Wait what do you mean, it's absolutely the case.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
I think that you wear outrageous shoes in football so
that people can identify you. Yeah, yes, you're just watching
a game in a sports bar and like, oh, Davante
because he always wears the uh, you know, yellow shoes.

Speaker 1 (11:29):
I think I do think a lot of almost everybody
does that.

Speaker 7 (11:32):
Well, do you think that the teams actually utilize that?

Speaker 10 (11:35):
To be your time, guys here he.

Speaker 1 (11:37):
Was talking about the teams utilizing it, Jason.

Speaker 8 (11:40):
Not like if you're wearing bright green Neon shoes and
you're a wide receiver, I don't know, like it maybe
it helps you find you can find the guy a
little easier.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (11:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 8 (11:50):
I thought that was something that they utilized, like a
little subtle little technique.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
No volleyball has the girl with the or they have
the different jersey on. What's that position called the cetter?

Speaker 7 (12:02):
Is that for for volleyball? Is that what you're talking about?
And forget her.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
I'll look it up. Go ahead, Yeah.

Speaker 7 (12:09):
I was just gonna say, I think, like a lot
of our listeners, my athletic career ended in high school.
But I do remember playing basketball in high school and
looking for shoes that matched our uniforms.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Right, yes, hey, well I didn't.

Speaker 7 (12:27):
I didn't have to. I just could drive down to
East Bay and get my shoes. Fortunate enough twenty minutes away.
But you'll be hey, you'll be taking the bush through
wasa where East babygan point being the point was to
match my uniform. Now you look in the NBA and

(12:50):
to Jason, to your guys point about the NFL. You know,
Giannis has got his own shoe. So with the dark
green Bucks uniforms, there's Yanni's wearing bright orange shoes. You know,
our neon shoes, And that is so different from what
I remember guys wearing different shoes. But Jordan, like the

(13:13):
original Jordan's were red, black and white, right like the
bulls it worked and matched with the team, and now
it's completely different.

Speaker 8 (13:22):
He started it and then.

Speaker 7 (13:24):
More, but back then it was it matched with their.

Speaker 8 (13:28):
But at least he he did something to stand out
even more that did. Actually the league didn't like right,
like they wanted it to be more uniform. They were like,
you can't have these colors on these shoes.

Speaker 7 (13:36):
No, that's not what d I was talking about. Well,
I'm just saying.

Speaker 8 (13:40):
I'm just saying though that Michael Jordan started wearing shoes
that were differentiating.

Speaker 7 (13:46):
But they were like, what do you.

Speaker 11 (13:47):
Mean, No, no, no, what let's move.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
On red and black. You're you're you're complaining a different story.
That isn't actually what he's talking about.

Speaker 8 (13:57):
No, I'm saying, the colors match the team's uniform, but
he decided to go in a different direction with shoes
style anyway.

Speaker 7 (14:06):
You know who I love Cooper flag you want.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Don't know why he's bringing the regular shoes.

Speaker 7 (14:12):
No, he's bringing the normal white T shirt underneath the
jersey back.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, we have one like that too. I tried that once.

Speaker 7 (14:20):
That's all I wanted to do in high school. I
tried to wear more clothes. Our shorts were short, our
tank tops were too tight, they didn't fit. Yes, nowadays
these basketball teams look like track teams with some of
their outfits and shorts. I and Cooper Flag's like, you
know what, I'm just gonna wear a full blown, crappy

(14:43):
old white tea underneath my jersey. And that's all I
wanted to do. In high school, we weren't allowed, was
not a part of the team. Everybody had to look
the same except the shoes. But you couldn't wear a
white You couldn't wear remember, Doug, you couldn't wear the
compression shorts, correct the tights, nath No, you couldn't do that.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Yeah, that's that's obviously a lot that's changed. Uh, Lebron
used to cover up the tattoos because in high school
you couldn't wear couldn't have tattoos in Ohio. That's why
you had the stickers covering the tattoos, or some people
were shorts covering the tattoos. A lot of things have changed.
Rules have become more lenient. I'll just tell you what
I do. Guys. Is I again you no, no, no jewelry. Okay,

(15:24):
you can wear any undershirt long as they let you wear.
It's got to match your the main color of the jersey.
I don't. I don't get in a dude's hair. I
just tell them, hey, when we play these games are
on TV, probably clean up your neck, you know, don't okay,
slob we when we when we go to the arena,
come back from the arena, go to the gym, back
from the gym, we're wearing all the same GB gear
and we're wearing to dat of sneakers, no crocs, no sandals,

(15:47):
no nothing else. And other than that, like just you know,
don't over control them. So there's a magic bix there.
But again, I played on every different team with every
different style, some or yet to wear the uniform shoes.
Some you don't care, but you do. You look, you
can look like a prison team when everybody's got something
different on.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
The crazy thing is that, like the rich rod opinion
will be held against him. Okay, so next year one
of his player transfers to wherever, and he'll be like, man,
that guy wouldn't even let us do blame so and so,
like it's going to be used as a pejorative like
it's it's the entire paradigm is shifted to where like
individualism needs to be promoted, and you need to cater

(16:29):
to the kids or it's going to be used against you.
Remember when Freddie Freeman left the Braves obviously, and then
Ronald Acunya came out with those comments like dude, you
know we can never like screw off and then Walker
Room or play our music because of Freddie Freeman, and
it was used as like a like half the league
was like, man, that sucks. What an old uh, what

(16:50):
an old curmudgeon Freeman must be? And I was thinking,
you mean he was holding you to a certain standard
of professionalism. That's a negative thing. Like again, the paradigm
is shift, has shifted it completely.

Speaker 8 (17:03):
And I just add one more thing. Coach Prime, you
know he has got the bravado. He wants his guys
to play with bravada. But then he also has rules
for like he can't wear slides the class, you know,
have the hood down in class. So I like that
that balance he has that He's.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Like, yeah, here's the other problem. Those guys nobody goes
to class at high major schools.

Speaker 7 (17:20):
Well if they do, that is show.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
I listen, I agree with that, but I'm just telling
you at Colorado, my guess is of his eighty five
scholarship players whatever, like eighty of them never step foot
on campus for a class. That is for show.

Speaker 8 (17:36):
Sam, Okay, for sure, I'm just saying what he was
saying over the summer.

Speaker 7 (17:40):
Yeah, he's got a certain rules.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
I do, and I believe in those as well, But
I also believe you be over the top. The other
part to it, though, is Jay stwo is you'd be
amazed at how some players they appreciate discipline. Like, again,
they don't want it d'arconian, they don't want it over
the top. But like my argument to him is all like,

(18:04):
we have brand new, really cool, comfortable with this stuff.
You're gonna wear a parkut, why not wear our Parkut?
You're gonna wear sweats, Wear our sweats. By the way,
it's free. You guys are all cheap. Take the free stuff.
Wear it. It's not that hard. And that is the Midway.
The Midway snug gotlib show on Fox Sports. So so wait, Sam,

(18:29):
what were you trying to say about Michael Jordan wearing
different kind of shoes?

Speaker 8 (18:32):
Okay, just to clarify, because you guys all left me
dangling out there, Michael Jordan was the guy in the
eighties who started wearing colors on his shoes period, and
then there are.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Colors on their shoes, but the Nike made shoes that
he thought were ugly, right, so he I'm just saying
that were red and black.

Speaker 8 (18:49):
Yeah, he was the pioneer's start doing something different. I'm
not talking about he wore like a random color out
on the court. He did wear his team's colors, but
he wore shoes that actually had like colors on him.

Speaker 7 (18:59):
Compare well, Magic and Larry had their Converse.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
Converse weapons that were team colors.

Speaker 8 (19:05):
Wasn't most of the NBA using Converse at the time,
And then.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
That wasn't what differentiated it was that.

Speaker 7 (19:10):
There was Yeah, I was just trying to say the black.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
There was black on the on the soul, even though
it didn't come off on the court. At the time,
it was illegal to have a black soul of a sneaker, right.

Speaker 7 (19:22):
That's what I was trying to say, is that Mike, Magic.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
And the most Celtics wearing those black and white Converce weapons.
Magic was wearing the yellow and Laker blue weapons. Like again,
I am a as much as Dan as a sneaker head,
as a uniform uniform head. I am a sneakerhead.

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the Inside the Birds podcast Adam Going to play for you.
So this is the Nick Sirianni. He had exchange with

(20:12):
a reporter over the controversial fourth down UH and sixth
play call in the final of the game on Monday.
What's interesting is we're making a big deal of the
fourth and sixth, which I didn't understand why you just
don't just punt it exactly, but you go to the
previous possession and with two twenty six to go in
the fourth quarter on second down, they throw it instead

(20:34):
of running it and getting it to the two minute warning.
Like I don't say, here's here's Nick Sirianni earlier today.

Speaker 2 (20:40):
Can you swear this up?

Speaker 7 (20:41):
Though, because there's been a couple of players who have
indicated that that it was a Jail and aj communication
that led to that.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
I knew exactly what the play was that we were.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
Calling and that was run in that moment, so they
didn't chat.

Speaker 4 (20:53):
I knew exactly what the play was in that moment,
what we called and what was and what there is.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Uh, okay, So what's really work here?

Speaker 11 (21:02):
Well, all right, we have to go back to two
years ago. There was a game in Seattle. It was
it was in the midst of turmoil, late in the season.
This is after they had a coordinator change, Sean to Saide.
It was the defense coordinator's reassigned and things are not
good in offense. The offense started collapsing and hurts and
AJ Brown kind of went off script and it became

(21:22):
a big deal in Philly. And by the way, this
does happen occasionally with NFL teams where they'll have a
play call and then there are options that they'll take
without letting sometimes people know about it. It's kind of
seems that's what's happened here. Look, this is an odd game.
And I don't know if you saw the whole game
or you help there were in Okay, Oh, that's right,

(21:45):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 10 (21:45):
I saw your pictures I'm sorry. All right, So it
was really odd.

Speaker 11 (21:48):
First of all, let me go back you talk about
Nick Sirianni. Okay, you know, I covered thirty two teams
for twenty seven years. I've seen a lot of weird
stuff before. But you have to question the decision making
in terms of going for it or throwing it or
running it. So you brought up that one play late
in the game or two plays late in the game.
I'm gonna go back a little bit earlier. Third and

(22:11):
seven they have a five yard penalty, becomes third and twelve.
They run the football. You have a zero zero game.
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (22:19):
Like?

Speaker 10 (22:20):
Why would you run like?

Speaker 11 (22:21):
So he basically played the game close to the vest,
trying not to lose. Now, this guy's a super Bowl
winning head coach, been the super Bowl twice in four years,
top five winning percentage in the last thirty years on
the road. I mean, the guy's a really good head coach,
but really coaching not to throw the football. Not that
your quarterback is making over fifty million throw the football.
That's worth This is about and AJ Brown's problems. Look,

(22:44):
AJ Brown has been very vocal. He just did another
just did another internet show where someone asked him how
he's doing, and he said he's doing fine with the family,
but everything else is not. You know, you could see
the quotes are out there. It's kind of a weird deal. Man,
Philly is. They continue to win their seven too. They're
technically the number one seed in the NFC, but their offense,
but the passing game has been mostly atrocious.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
This season has been has been trusted. This is the
Doug OUTLETB Sure you listen to Fox Sports rader Adam
Kaplan's our guess. He's our Fox Sports Radio NFL Incenter.
First time I've heard people say, you know, Matt Lafleur
may be hot seat. Any reality to that.

Speaker 11 (23:22):
Here's the deal. Matt Lafleour is a phenomenal regular season coach.
He is not coach well in the playoffs. Okay, He's
a very conservative play caller. He believes in balance. Now,
I understand they had a couple of receivers hurt, but
when they've had a full deck, when we're talking about
a full group of receivers, maybe the deepest receiver Cord
in the National Football League. He wants to run the
football first, which if you've got a dynamic running back

(23:45):
like Christian McCaffery, like Kyle Shannan does when everybody's healthy
around him. You could start with a run game and
Jordan Look, Jordan Love did not play well. There's no
question you were at that game. He didn't play well.
There there's no defending it. But he's married to running
the football. And Josh Shaco is not having a great year.
And look, I think I know that local media is

(24:05):
questioning bec because of the trade for Michael Parsons. They
have to go far in the playoffs first, so they
have to make it and lately they have not looked
as good. I think it's a little bit premature, but
there's no situations to watch, Doug. I think that's ones
to watch Atlanta with Raheem Mars that they are so
talented an offense. Somehow they're three and six. That's not
what That's not expected. Tay, you got to keep an

(24:28):
eye on that situation. That's one of those are a
couple of situations. Look, we've alterated two firings. You got
to keep this is the way it works. What expectations
are not met. There are questions within the organization, particularly
football operations, in the ownership and the team president. They
will get involved when you'd rather not. Then, of course,
what's going on with the Steelers. We didn't talk about

(24:49):
them yet. They've just crashed and burned big time at
the Chargers. That was an embarrassing loss. I'm very interesting
to see what happens here if they do not make
the playoffs. And by the way, they've not won a
playoff game since twenty sixteen.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
But what do you think if they it's made the
playoffs or coaching change.

Speaker 11 (25:04):
No, I no, I wouldn't go that far. But offensively
they are atrocious. There's another team that they were great.
They had one great game. They were phenomenal. Listen, Aaron
Rodgers is great against the Colts, terrible against the Chargers.
Very vanilla offense that will run the ball particularly well.
They don't have a number two receiver. That's more on
the front office. They had a very easy schedule. Now

(25:26):
the Ravens all of a sudden at four and five,
they're trying to do what's been done four times in
the last thirty five years. Let's make the playoffs after
going starting one to five. I mean, it could happen.
And now the Ravens all of a sudden are breathing
down the Steelers Necks.

Speaker 10 (25:41):
You gotta watch. That's another one to watch late in
the season.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Here Stug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. Adam
Kaplan is our guest, Ryan Dable. Why fire him now?

Speaker 11 (25:54):
They were going to fire him after the season and
it but it, Doug, you have to list every reason,
first of all, not just the record.

Speaker 10 (26:01):
At two and eight.

Speaker 11 (26:02):
So many blown leads, embarrassing, this one against the Giants,
this game against the Bears, they had it, they had
him dead to write. You got to close. They've had
a problem closing games out. You could talk about all
their injuries. That's fine. Yes, Jackson Dart had a concussion,
but they had a big lead. You can't choke it
like they did. Their defense is regressed by the way

(26:23):
as well. That's that's really the side of the ball
that they're they're a little bit healthier, but not that
they're a healthy team at all.

Speaker 10 (26:30):
But it's his behavior. It's violent and concussion protocol.

Speaker 11 (26:34):
It's his outbursts, the way he's overly emotional. I've talked
to people work with him over the years. He's he's
hot and cold emotionally. Guy's a good play caller. But
here's what happened. The reality is at twenty twenty two,
they shocked everyone around the National Football League. They made
the playoffs in this first year. I remember talking to
people with the Giants then and look, they didn't expect

(26:56):
to make the playoffs their first year. In fact, they
won a playoff gay me Mit Minnesota, and then they
completely folded since then, and plus the drafts have been
inconsistent from Joe Shane, who, by the way, will keep
his job at GM. He'll run the coaching search. But
Dave Ball, Look, I hate to see someone deserve to
get fired, but I call that almost a mercy firing.
That's a term that used by clubs when you know
it's obvious you're going to fire the head coach.

Speaker 10 (27:17):
Why belabored it?

Speaker 11 (27:18):
And by the way, they really like Mike Kafka, who's
doing a good job with Jackson Dart he's the offensive coordinator.

Speaker 10 (27:23):
Will still call the players.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Stuc Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Yet and
jamis now the starting quarterback. Correct standard reason. We won't
see Russell Wilson again barring an injury this year. But yeah,
but well, his career as the starter is over right.

Speaker 10 (27:40):
Oh it's been long go for I mean, look, they made.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
It hasn't been though. I thought it was over last
year that he starts for the Giants.

Speaker 11 (27:46):
But here's what happened, jamis they made a decision that
Russell would be the stop gap for about four to
six weeks. It ended even before they thought it would.
Russell that great game against the Cowboys, and then it
just imploded like it did last year with the Steelers
well down the stretch and they moved on and they've

(28:07):
already seen enough for Russell Wilson Jameis Winston. Look, the
thing is, he's younger, he's got a strong arm. He's
sometimes at bizarre quarterback because he's got enormous talent. But
make somebody bad mistakes throw on the football, he will
throw it like he's The thing about Jamis that you
like is he's decisive, where Russell Wilson will run around
and try to make a play. That's not what coaches

(28:29):
really like. The last time Russell Wilson, by the way,
played well was twenty twenty, where he's phenomenal for a
half a season, twenty eight passing touchdowns in eight games
with Seattle's.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Trader. That's the
voice of Adam Kaplan. Joe Burrow is back practicing.

Speaker 7 (28:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 10 (28:46):
Is he gonna play, No, he's not supposed to.

Speaker 11 (28:48):
He's come back severe turf too. It's gonna they think
it's gonna take a couple of weeks. This is just
the week to get him back into practice.

Speaker 10 (28:55):
He's back.

Speaker 11 (28:56):
I mean, he's went back well before they first thought.
I mean, I give him credit and there the rehab staff,
but I give Joe Flacco credit me that I could
still play. It's their defense though for the second straight
years not competitive. It's for all the draft picks they spent,
they still cannot play competitive football. It's really embarrassing that
if the Steelers can't win this game. I mean, this

(29:17):
would be the ald em embarrassment. If you can't be
the bendlist at your own plays.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
I don't think there's any question. Cap, You're the best man.
Thanks so much for joining us, guest.

Speaker 2 (29:27):
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(29:59):
again this Doug Gottlieb Show, and subscribe. Let's get to
Dan Bayer with the press.

Speaker 7 (30:06):
The press, Doug, It's the news of the day from
the Big Apple. Jackson Dart has that concussion that he
suffered against the Chicago Bears this past weekend, so he's
going to miss their game against the Packers on Sunday.
That opens the door for Jamis Winston to move up
the depth chart. He will now start against green Bay.

(30:28):
That means Russell Wilson has been demoted and while he
can back up Winston on Sunday, he's now third on
the depth chart. This was Wilson in the Giants locker
room earlier today after the news became public.

Speaker 6 (30:39):
I say I want to play beats, you know, And
Jamis has worked his butt off, you know, to give
him the great opportunities of guys played in this league
for a long time and he's one of my closest friends.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
I know he'll do a great job.

Speaker 6 (30:49):
I'm to help him prepare the best way possible. I'll
be ready to go. Felt ready to go last game.
You know, obviously I've got a solid down with one.
You know in cher Ard line, we didn't we didn't
get it unfortunately, and go forward, but you know, it's
part of the game. And uh, you know, we thought
we were gonna win the game there and fill go
and all that, but it didn't work out. So I
know with Jamis, though he works his butt off, we
I g I said, we have a great dialogue and

(31:10):
he's a great teammate.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
There there's some backhanded compliments in there. Did you hear him?
Oh yeah, you know, Hey, hey, hey, we thought we're
gonna win the game. We didn't get it. We didn't
go for it. Get it. Yeah, we didn't go for it.
You'll go there. I thought we're gonna win the game,
and hey, James does he's one of my best Do
you think that Jamis Winston thinks the best friends?

Speaker 7 (31:29):
No, No, it was so on in the preseason that Jackson, Dart,
Tommy DeVito and Jamis seemed to have this great relationship
of eating w's and Russell Wilson was nowhere to be
found yet today one of his one of his better friends.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
No, he's one of my best friends. We played the
first part first, just to make sure we teach sure.

Speaker 7 (31:51):
Because there's there's actually more from Russ that we're putting
into the system as we speak, and there's there's more
to it. But here's here's Russ again.

Speaker 10 (31:58):
I want to play bets on.

Speaker 6 (32:00):
James has worked his butt off, you know, to get
him the great opportunities of guy's played in this league
for a long time, and he's one of my closest.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Friends, closes.

Speaker 7 (32:08):
Close.

Speaker 1 (32:11):
Have you ever been to his house? What is his
wife's name? What are his parents' names? Is he is
he on your What are those the pin pin numbers
you have? You have pin numbers on the top of your phone? Yeah, Dan, Yeah.

Speaker 10 (32:31):
Yeah numbers?

Speaker 8 (32:32):
Ten text messages like Apple language?

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Is that Apple language?

Speaker 1 (32:36):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (32:36):
Pen numbers?

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yes.

Speaker 7 (32:39):
The next question means like you.

Speaker 8 (32:42):
Sit at the top of a heap all the time
because you're important, you're a friend you're a best friend.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
I would pin yours Jay Stu, but it always pops
up green and it ruins all of group messages.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
Let me ask you this, do you think, uh, do
you think Russell Wilson's ego would allow him to say
the following tomorrow at a press conference. I've given everything
i can to this game. At some point, I've realized
that the game has passed me up. I'm gonna move
on to the next chapter of my life. This will

(33:15):
be the last you will see of me in a
football uniform.

Speaker 1 (33:19):
No, No, I think he's a guy who won't sign
with anybody this offseason, and then he'll probably do some
TV and then at the end of next season, he'll
retire a Seahawk and he'd be like always a seahawk.

Speaker 7 (33:34):
That probably fits that tracks as Doug likes to say,
how about this?

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Okay, wait, give me give me yours, Dan, I'm gonna
write these down on my board here, So go ahead,
what's your best guess what happens?

Speaker 7 (33:45):
I don't know. I kind of want to move on
from that because I have to play more of Russell Wilson. Oh,
because he talks for like three minutes and I couldn't
tell if they were the same bites or the different
bites in the locker room, talking about his emotion today.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
I love it here.

Speaker 6 (34:02):
I love my teammates, you know.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
I want to see us turning around.

Speaker 6 (34:05):
You know, I don't know if God's got a great
plan for me. I don't know what it is today.
The second is a stand here. I just want to
wake up and have a great practice today. That's why
you don't want to have a great practice today. Zoned
in on that, And you know I want to I
want to see it through. I haven't asked for a
release or anything like that. I want to be here,
you know. And but you know, I think for me,
I just want to get better every day. I still
want to keep playing football. I love it obviously, and

(34:26):
I feel like I still got it.

Speaker 7 (34:27):
So feels like he still got it.

Speaker 1 (34:29):
I still got it, Yes, still got it. By the way,
saying saying I haven't asked for my release feels like
he's going to get released.

Speaker 7 (34:40):
I thought he was trying to problem himself up. Like, look, guys,
I haven't asked for it. I've asked to be traded,
but the trade deadline has passed. But I haven't asked
for my release. I thought he was.

Speaker 8 (34:50):
Trying to transport through the matrix at some point during
that clip. So I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 7 (34:54):
I made a little something technically going on here. There
were there were about three or four cut He talked
about Brian Dables firing called dabes know. I appreciate dabes
DA did all of the all of the things that
you would you would know. It's just it's all coach
Russell Wilson speak. Uh.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Anyway, I've never asked for my release. Is on the
list of things to Shaun Watson has never said.

Speaker 7 (35:23):
Moving on, the former NFL receiver Antonio Brown was released
on twenty five thousand dollars bond and placed under house
arrest as he is facing second degree attempted murder charges
in Florida.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Has anybody looked at the like, did he do this?
They got him? Yeah?

Speaker 7 (35:46):
I mean it's he fired. I think he fired the gun.
I think he allegedly did. Allegedly, yes, because I think
that he was also like explaining like the situation where
he was like that led him to that moment.

Speaker 8 (36:06):
I believe I read that a bullet might have grazed
his neck, the man who was the victim in this
and that, and then.

Speaker 7 (36:13):
Antonio brown Is saying that he was being robbed. So
Lakers forward Lebron James took part in five on five
practice with the South Bay Lakers of the G League.

Speaker 1 (36:25):
Dramatic recovery, Luca playing good, gramatic recovery. Now does he
end the season with the Lakers?

Speaker 7 (36:37):
I don't. I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
I mean, I know you root for it.

Speaker 3 (36:46):
I think Lebron. I think Lebron does finish the season
as a Laker. Yeah, yeah, I think it's all tied
to Bronny. He won't play this entire season with Browny, but.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
They're gonna play Bronny and he gets traded, maybe he can.
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (37:03):
Oh well, that'll be the caveat though.

Speaker 7 (37:07):
What about what about the conversations with Bryce James maybe
red shirting for Arizona. Can you even talk about that
as a.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Coach, Guys, I have about what Bryce James redshirting?

Speaker 7 (37:17):
Yeah, Tommy Lloyd having some conversations saying that Bryce James
could red shirt at Arizona this year.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
I won't comment specifically on Bryce James because that would
be unfair. I will tell you that lots of freshmen
are got a red shirt this year, really really good ones,
really good ones. We'll red shirt because it's hard.

Speaker 7 (37:36):
And Bradley Beal done for the year with a fractured hip.
That's the press may get out there and pressed.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
That was the press.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
God, the Clippers just they can't get out of their
own way, even when you get brad Beal at a
fractioned some but you get him and now he fractures
his hip and he's out for the year. Check out
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