December 11, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug and Dan Beyer get deeper into the Michigan scandal. Doug welcomes NFL Analyst Daniel Jeremiah onto the show to talk about the Chargers, Jalen Hurts and all of the headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan takes Doug through "The Press".
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the time of the week where we usually do don't
call it a throwback Thursday, and we have a lot
of fun and we're gonna go back to two thousand
and eight. I'm gonna give credit to Dan Byer because
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he's the only professional in this group, because we all
wanted to mess around and have fun about two thousand
and He's like, you know, this is too big a story,
and he's right. Our job is to cover what people
are talking about. We can't start an hour of a
radio show and be a real sports radio show that
talks about what people are talking about without talking about
this run more story. So we're not gonna do don't
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call it throw back Thursday, not that we wouldn't have
fun with it, not that we can't pocket it and
do it next week. So yesterday, at about this time,
maybe a little bit late, like fifteen minutes, was when
this story broke. We have we are twenty four hours
into it, and the irony to it was Dan and
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I along with who is our guest yesterday that Adam
Kaplan who covers the National Football League. We were talking
about jobs and I was like, hey, you know, maybe
Sharon Moore in Michigan next year because I knew the pressure.
It's like, don't ever follow Harbaugh. It's going to happen
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at Stanford. By the way he left, I don't ever
find it's too it's really hard. I mean, Caitlin de
bores in the College Football Playoff. Most people believe that
had they been left out of the college football Playoff,
they get fired. And there are people saying today that
even though they're going to play against Oklahoma, get a
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rematch against team that they massively outgained Okay and they
got to play on the road, that he may leave
and take the Michigan job because following Saban it's like
following Caliperry when you're in doesn't work for anybody so
hard because the guys are they're so good, they have
it so wired, they have all their people, and then
they leave and it's really really hard to put that together. Again,
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that's not why he.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Lost his job.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
He lost his job because messed round with a woman
that not only was not his wife and he was married,
but he employed her. That's how they got and there's
no real defense for it. I mean, what what, what
do you like? The everybody's out to get me? And
like again, we can all in our minds speculate as
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to the did it just happened once and then she
said something to somebody and then it got back to
her and that's why he went.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Out And for we like, why are you telling people?
I don't know? It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
All it takes is once she works for you, Okay,
she can sue the entire university, you understand, and others
can sue as well, now for unfair hiring practices.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
That's what he like.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
We all look at the infidelity and it's I'm not
in any way saying infidelity is a good thing.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I'm saying the reason he got fired is because it
opens up university to a litany of legal issues, and
universities almost always settle because if you go to court,
then it's got to be disclosure. Then everybody's text messages,
everybody's emails, everybody they know gets exposed, and there's always
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something when you know, you open up the hood that
you don't like.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
That's what happened, you know, that's the reality of it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
And if this is one of those we thought the
hiring cycle had kind of ended. But I want you
to stop and take a breath and think about this.
Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Arkansas, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Kentucky forgetting,
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forgetting some Oklahoma State, Iowa State, UCLA, well messing any
Dan Byer that have come upen so far this year.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I think that's plenty. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I mean, holy cow, holy cow, Like if you thought
the transfer portal was something, we're talking about half of
the biggest programs in the Virginia Tech Sorry, insane, what's
happened in this sport? Obviously this is a different story
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than those other ones, but there's some similarities there.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Crazy Dan, Where are you on the story right now?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
So?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, the reason that I wanted to talk about it
is also when you were with George Reister. It's other
schools have had scandals before. You brought up my name
as an Ohio State fan, and I know there's no
qualms about that. Whatsoever. But it feels like the points
that I think people are talking about and then I'm
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curious about, are being framed that this is coming from
a bias side. And when you're saying that Penn State
can't say anything, Michigan State everything. Yeah, everybody has gone
through it, but guess what, they're not going through it
right now, Like this is the topic that is going
on right now that we are talking about, So it
doesn't come from a bias. It comes from this is
the thing that people are talking about. And there are
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legitimate questions about why this happened. When this happened, We're
hearing other rumors about Sharon more and maybe reaching out
to other females, whether they be only fans models or
ig models like these are all things that are starting
to pop up. But there's also the point of this
is that why did this investigation conclude on December tenth?
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And why did this investigation which had been going on
for months that people close to the program had known about,
why did it happen then? And why wasn't anything done
at that time? And I think these are all questions
and I'm saying this because I don't have the answers
to them, I can guess, and I could be I
guess I could be an Ohio State fan and said,
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you just wanted to be at Ohio State. But that
could be an absolute reason. They did it the week
after National Signing Day? Was that fair to the recruits? Like?
What are all these reasons? And all of these things
that are being brought up are legitimate aside from the
fact that he violated the university code. But as I
told you yesterday, the thing that wasn't different to me
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was this is what broke the straw that broke the
camel's back, him having an affair with a staffer after
everything that has gone on within that program, that this
was the point where they said we can't have Sharon
Moore anymore. He still hasn't completed as full suspension from
his role in the counter Stallion's situation, like there were
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still more games that he needed to serve via suspension.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Well, but doesn't that doesn't that answer itself though? And
again the first thing is I understand what you're saying.
I'll get into the the and I apologize to you
if you thought the fan thing was casting dispersions on
your opinion, it was not I'll get to I'll explain
in one second. The first thing is you did you
basically laid it out yourself for as why there can
be no tolerance for it. You're still haven't served all
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your game suspension and you have this like come on,
what are we doing here.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Second thing is.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
It's one thing to be to have infidelity. It's a
whole other thing when she works for you. It's not
she works at the university. She works for you. Okay,
that is lawsuit, lawsuit, lossuit. Everybody who applied for that job,
because it's a state institution, in order to hire somebody, okay,
they have to go through all these.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Layers of hiring.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Or you have to do an emergency high where you're
like hey, and that that's when the president has to
get involved, the ad has to get involved in you
do an emergency high. So anybody who applied for that
job that doesn't get it can now sue Michigan for
unfair hiring practices because you hired somebody because they think
she was stooping the head coach. That's the real again,
that's the reality of what happens in these situations. Okay,
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it is is a Title nine violation.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
It is a.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
What's the HR violation as well as a violation of
your contract and your and the university code, et cetera.
But more than anything, if you do something where your
school can get sued for it, you're going to get fired.
And then you factor in as you said, still hadn't
served all the suspension for the previous scandals, which has
nothing to do with this, but it's the we we can't.
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I don't think it got to that level. I don't
think it had anything to do with any of that
other stuff. I do think they wanted them gone because
they weren't winning, like Ohio State was winning. And I
think it made it really really easy for him, and
it's really really dumb.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I agree with that, And that's why I say, if
there wasn't something happening in October, considering the damage, and
I actually think that the culture that Sharon Moore was
living in in ann Arbor, within that program, within that
university allowed him to think that he was superman. I mean,
he got away with everything he did, and so like
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that's why I also think that some of the blame
then comes on Michigan and falls on them for how
this all transpired, and I think that there could be
blame if they knew about this for months in advance
and knew that something was going on.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
It's a great question, but I don't Again, I don't
know the mike. Again, this is just a guess. Okay,
the guess is, yeah, they probably probably didn't know a
while back, right, there's no more secrets, only fact he
had to be revealed.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
They probably knew.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And yeah, again, it is curious that that they didn't
have the findings. But you also have to have a
thorough investigation.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
You just do.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And had they come to the conclusion in the middle
of the season, you nap palm the year nap palm. Now,
I don't know legal ease, and I obviously they have
to protect themselves. Like when you have these things going on,
all the lawyers get involved and you're like, you know,
so if they did it so that it was done
after the season had concluded, they did it under the
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guidance of university attorneys.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Again, we're acting like we know, we're not. I'm not
an attorney. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
But something of this magnitude is never done without the
most important people signing off on the most important people
is the attorney right, because Michigan has a massive endowment
and all of that can be had with lawsuits. Right,
it's what's hindered Michigan State with the trainer. They had
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USC had these issues as well. Okay, so well you're
you're not like, when do they know about this? And
that's also how people get fired. When did you know?
And what did you do about it? And did you
pass it up the chine of command. If you didn't
tell you're superior, then you're going to get fired today.
And if your superior got this information and didn't pass
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it up to their superior, they're going to get fired today.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
That talent.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
That's how these things work, and that's why I started
the show going. I actually understand all these people are
going to be one everybody right, And it's crazy because
as you and I know, Michigan's basketball team is unbelievable.
They're being there smacking everybody by forty Nobody cares right now.
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All they care about is football, and this is a
massive stain on an incredible university. But yet you're listen,
we're all right to speculate my issue on the or
my thought on the talk of being a fan is
I do think that our fandom gets in the that's
where the well, you know, they were able to get
away with violations the Connor Stallions thing, and I'm like, dude,
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I just don't see a correlation at all.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I know. You do you agree that Michigan was not
forthcoming with the NC double A throughout the investigation?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I do, but I have no I also hold on
holld let me finish my finish. But again that comes
from Oklahoma State basketball. Totally forthcoming, got penalized anyway, and
everybody tells you, like you know, it used to be,
follow the sword, tell them everything and you'll get you know,
and they'll lessen the punishment. And that doesn't happen. So
now it's like, don't say nothing, but nobody about nothing.
Period's top again. And I but again, I just don't think.
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I could be wrong and I could be naive on
this one. But I don't think because you because I
don't think they got away with anything with the Connor
Stallions thing.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I just don't. I don't think. I don't think it
was a massive deal. We all do things in scouting
and trying to know somebody's play.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Cards, that's not the point we're starting to move away.
The point is is if Michigan did did cover up,
or was not forthcoming to the NC Douablea, then why
would we expect them to be forthcoming about their head
football coach in the middle of a football season that
you just said five minutes ago that they didn't want
to tank the season because they had a four million
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dollar quarterback. However much Bryce Underwood was making, they only
had a loss to Oklahoma on their schedule. There were
still bigger fish to fry. And that's the question about
what about the timing of all of this, like the
Sharon More stuff is I think it's blatantly obvious if
you're having an affair with your staffer, whether you're married
or not, whether we have kids or not, can't happen.
(14:36):
You're one hundred percent correct. But how much did Michigan know,
Because that's the point of everything that happened in the
Harbaugh era and the conter Stallions thing, and even before that,
what did Michigan know and did they cooperate? Did they
think they could get away with it again? And then
when it was convenient for them to get rid of
a head coach, that boosters and other people were souring on.
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They then acted on the opportunity. That's what every Ohio
State fan, Michigan State fan, every college football fan, every
sports fan wants to know and probably has a right
to know whether they're a fan of those teams or not.
And that's what we don't know right now. And that's
why I think this is such a huge story. And
as big as it.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Is, when do they know, who do they tell, what
do they do about it? It's the it's where the
cover up becomes bigger than the crime.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I'm still dealing with the crime, and I think the
allegations of a cover up we'll see. My guess is, again,
this is a guess. I don't know. I have zero facts.
I've had zero time to call people and dig in.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I just have.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
My personal guess is they probably did find out about
it sometime in the middle of the season, and they
probably went to the lawyers and like, hey, what do
we do, Like you got to have a complete investigation,
and I'm sure they probably said, like, let's have it
for after the game, after the season is done.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I don't know if there's a university policy that has
a uniformity with the timeline of investigation forty five thirty days,
forty five days, sixty days, six months. I don't know,
but I do believe that if there was an investigation
in which there.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Was Okay, that's what we were told, right, if.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
There was an investigation, all of these things. Again, part
of it, part of the good thing in your desire
to get answers, is you will because it's at a
state institution, it's at a state institution, it was a
private school, then go none of your business, none of
your business. And it is It's also interesting that you know,
Pat Fitzgerald just got a job at Michigan State, right
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he was He was fired because of allegations of mistreatment
of players. Okay, they did an investigation. We didn't find
out about any of those findings to it till he
took him to court and then he you know, there
was there were stories about it, but he took him
to court and was exonerated and I was back as
head coaching in the Big Ten. I don't think Sharon
Moore is going to be exonerated, but I do think
we'll find out all of those details that you want
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to know. I don't think you can cover it, cover
it up when there's a university led investigation in the
state institution, especially.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
One like Michigan.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
That's that's that's a an educated guess. But again I
want to make sure that's clear. It's a guess you
will have. You will know when they knew, and you
will will probably have to assume some things, but you
will know who knew and what they did about it,
and if they didn't do enough, or if they didn't
pass up a chain of command, or they didn't alert
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others to it, or if they made it.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
So, hey, let's make the investment.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
If there's an email that says, hey, let's make sure
this investigation comes to a conclusion. After football senison is over,
that person will be fired. That includes ward manual, that
includes the president of university, that includes anybody.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
That's that's how it works. They all lose their jobs
if they didn't do the job properly.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
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Are they doing opening ceremonies back there again? Are they
putting the track back in the Colisseum for twenty.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Eight Yes, they're building a track that is actually going
to be elevated, I don't know, like six to twelve
feet above the ground. It's a unique setup, but it
takes a really, really long time to put together. And
they have the para Olympics coming up in late August.
So the teardown from all of that and then to
get the grass grow is the reason why. According to
the Times.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
That could be crazy if you think about it, right, UCLA,
if you don't know, is moving to Sofi from the
Rose Bowl. USC would move to the Rose Bowl. I
mean USC would be in Sofi. The Rams are in Sofi,
the Chargers are in so Fi. And I will tell
you that my two favorite stadiums occupy my two favorite teams, Packers,
Lambeaux Classic. Right, it's been redone a bunch of times,
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but the core of it, the lower Bowl is still
the same, and then Sofi, which is the newest. It's
the nicest place I've ever been. But can you imagine
they have four tenants for a year. It's insane, insane,
especially all those houses in Englewood. They're charging like a
hundred of pop for every time you park there.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
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Speaker 3 (19:15):
What a mess.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
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Speaker 2 (19:30):
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Speaker 6 (19:33):
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Speaker 1 (19:33):
I got to ask you about the Michigan story. One,
because well you cover football too. You your other one
of your other jobs is as the Chargers color analyst, okay.
And three your dad is a very very famous preacher
in the United States. When when you heard that story,
what was your what what went through your mind?
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Well, I think probably like a lot of other people there,
you know, I'd heard rumors for a while that there
was you know, not all the details, but some of
the you know what was what ended up coming out
had been rumored about for a while in kind of
the football world, in football circles, So it wasn't totally
shocked and surprised by by it when it came out.
But my first thought, and this goes to the way
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you know that I was raised, and and I hope
a lot of people think, but it's like Ali, I
just feel terrible for his wife and those kids, and
this girl and and all that she's gone through and
this whole thing. It's just it's a lot bigger than football.
You know, you start there first and foremost, and then uh,
you know, from that standpoint you look forward and go, man,
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all these all these kids that are at Michigan currently
on the team, as well as all the people who
just signed up to go there. Man, they're left in limbo.
I mean, it's just, it's just it's an awful, awful,
awful decision made by you know, this one person that
has just ripple effects through a lot of lives.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
It's it is It's nuts how how all the different
entanglements and all the different things that it doesn't even
for hardball, it ends up. You know, you already had
the NC investigation for the Connors stallions. Now it does
put a little bit of a stain on.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
His era there. The other big story of the week
was Philip.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Rivers signing the practice squad to the Indianapolis Colts. By
the way, guys, do we have that? Do we have
the met with Telesco? This is randomly what happened. Te
LESCo joins us every Monday, right every Monday. So you know,
we were reacting to Danny Dimes, you do have it
or don't have it? Okay, to Danny Dimes tearing his
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achilles tendon.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
So we had te LESCo on and he's like, I said,
how does this work?
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Because being a general manager for twelve years, he's had
these situations where a guy goes down late in the year.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You know, you can't trade for anybody. H This was
the conversation we had.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Here we are, we're at December eighth. You've been in
a similar situation where I gotta find a quarterback here
you know who's on the street, and I got a
potential playoff team.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
What's this?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
What's the process?
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Like?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
How does it work.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Well?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
At this point? Since you're past the trade deadline, you're
really your only chance. It's gonna have to be somebody
from your own roster at this at this point, unless
you just get lucky and there's a quarterback who's on
the street, who's been in a shame steaks like an
offense before I'd have to look it up for the
chances are slim.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
So I mean you gonna call Philip Rivers get him
out of retirement.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah, I don't know if you've seen Phillip recently, and
mean he's coaching high school football I think right now,
so I think that may not work.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Crazy, right, I was like Philip Rivers, Okay, so there
have been lots of Oh, isn't there anybody else? My
thought was like, like Jeff George, right, you still come out?
Can I don't know if he can do it, but
he's basically like a quarterback coach, a savant who can
teach the system and yeah, maybe for for a game,
can come in while somebody else learns what they're doing.
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You've been around both, You've seen how they work together.
Does this make sense to you?
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Yeah, that actually kind of does. You know. You say
a little bit of a hail Mary here, but there's
zero learning curve. He probably knows that offense even better
than the guy who's putting the play call in his headset,
so you have no no learning to take place there.
He's going to get you in the right run. Plays
you got a good offensive line and elite running back,
so he's going to help your run game from that standpoint,
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and then to me, it's just, you know, not so much.
This first game, you know, fends up being the case,
which I would imagine it would be that he starts
against Seattle is going to be how did he come
out of it for the next game and then the
game after that, you know, that would be more of
my concern. I saw that there's like two touchdowns. You know,
they're saying Seattle this week, and I'm looking at that
(23:46):
going I don't I mean maybe if that was a
second or third week, but I think the first week back,
they'll they'll throw every screen imaginable, which Phillis can do
that until he's one hundred years old. And they're going
to run the ball with Jonathan Taylor, which will shorten
the game, and he'll get him in some good run plays.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
You can't lose this step. You never here's me, here's
here's mine.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
People are like, well, he can't lose the step you
never had.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Yeah, he was just part of his games.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
No, no, no, he had never had.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I mean the only thing is going to be arm strength,
which faded how about this this here's a here's an
interesting one for you. You remember Tim Hasselback came Matt Hasseback
came back and started started a game.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I think he was like.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Forty when he won a couple of games coming back right,
and he could kind of barely throw it late. And
we've seen this before from Indy. But how many people
know they won eleven games in his last year there? Again,
he wasn't great, but they know they It's not like
he went out and he was terrible and they won
two games and it was shame Like they won eleven games?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Is last year in Indy?
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Yeah no, that'ought I'm saying. I feel the short little
first here. I think he'll be okay. My thing's going
to be how to come out of it after a
couple of physical games. I can't imagine. I got invited.
I just turned forty eight. I got invited to play
in a high school a lovenight baseball game, Like baseball
just jogg around chance, No chance would I ever do that, dude,
(25:04):
Like there's just even just the smallest bit of effort
trying to leg something out. Assuming I could actually put
the ball in play, which is quite an assumption. That's
just I don't have faith in my body to hold up.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
There, Shudor what'd you think? What'd you think of sor Sanders?
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I think there's some good stuff. You know, it's obvious.
You know you can go to the all the Raiders
and the and the Titans are the games, and the
quality of the competition's not great with those. You know,
his his two good performances, but he's he's pushed the
ball down the field, which I like to see from
a young quarterback. He hasn't you know, been scared the
way he's played. There's still stuff to clean up. He's
still put the ball in harms away a couple of times,
(25:41):
you know, continues to drift a little bit, which he's
gotten better, but that still needs to improve. But he
throws I mean, when he's clean and protected in there,
he throws a really pretty ball. He's very accurate with
how he throws it. So you know they'll step up
in competition this week. It'll be a better evaluation tool.
But you know, from what we saw with Dylan g Abriel,
just an unwillingness to try and get the ball down
(26:03):
the field. You can't score points, you know, so he's
given him a chance to push the ball and score
some points. So I think it's been a clear upgrade
over Dylan Gabriel And and it's a big it's a
big home stretch for him. If he could somehow show
them the upside that would that would take them out
of the quarterback market for this next year. They have
a lot of resources they could build up the rest
(26:23):
of their roster.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, that's the big question, right, Like if it was today,
And I know it's not today. I know they have
the rest of the season to evaluate, But if it
was today, because you can't keep him and there's no
quarterback competition, if you draft a guy with your first pick, right,
he's going to be the guy. So you got to
make a decisions either this is our guy in schnor
Sanders and he can't be a backup.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
That's not happening.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Would you agree with that, Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, he's just too big a personality, too big a name.
He's not a backup.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Okay, So he's either your starter or you go draft
a starter.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
If it was today and they ask you, DJ and
I know you haven't gotten deep in to your evals
of the quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
But what would you do based off where we are
right now and a couple of teams, you know, potentially
being ahead of him in the draft. Yeah, I would
stick with him for another year. I would give him
a full year audition. I wouldn't be in a hurry
to run right back into that market. I would give
him a year and then have infrastructure in place. You've
got extra picks you can have, you can have an
(27:23):
opportunity that in the twenty seven and you'll have a
better roster to support whenever you'd take a quarterback if
he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
The guy Stell Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I don't want to declare like being a Charger guy.
I don't want to call time of death on the
on the Chiefs, right. I don't want to be that guy.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Let somebody else do it. But in your mind, what's
your reaction to where they are in terms of, you know,
surprised or not, Like, what's your reaction to the Chiefs
season today?
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Well, I think that should be a total surprise, just
because the roster just hasn't, you know, offensively been where
it needs to be, and they've tried a lot of different.
You know, guys in terms of playmakers, they just haven't
hit the right struck the right cord really since Tyreek
Hill left. And they've had enough with Kelsey and a dominant,
(28:19):
dominant defense that they were able to overcome it. And
now that the defense has taken a little bit of
a step back and isn't quite at that elite level,
they're finding themselves losing a ton of these close games,
low scoring close games. So you know, it's not that
to me, is a little bit of just the failure
of trying to put the right skill pieces around him.
(28:39):
They don't catch the ball while they drop a bazillion ball,
so there's it's not a total surprise. I also think
it's just, you know, we talked about a team that
goes to the super Bowl one year, and that's fatigue
that you have the following year. I mean, they have
made deep runs in the last ever since he came
into the league, they've made a deep run. So it
looks like a little older, a little tired group at
(29:00):
this point in time.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Does it Does it in any way make the Patriots
look better? Because the Patriots did not have one of
these falloffs right the year they didn't make the playoffs.
Was when Matt Kassel was their quarterback and Brady was hurt.
They still want eleven games that year. Does this in
any way make that Patriots run even more impressive?
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Not for me, just because that was the that was
the worst division outside of the Patriots for so long.
And the Chiefs look up and you've got the Chargers
in the playoffs last year, likely this year, the Broncos
last year, likely this year. Now the Raiders suck, But
you've got two other high caliber organizations in your division
right now. I just thought the Patriots it was they
(29:43):
were playing the JV schedule inside their own division for
so many years.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio, speaking of
that division. The Dolphins have quietly become kind of decent,
right the five hundred reasonable finish for the season, and like.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
There's two levels to it.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
One, didn't they get rid of the bad culture guys?
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Right?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Jalen Ramsey gone, Tyreek hillgne Oh my gosh. They're actually
a decent football team now. And I guess the question
is what do they do moving forward? New GM? New
GM's coming, But you still have the quarterback and coach
under contract.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Yeah, I think that you're going to see the quarterback
and the coach back. You know, that's the way it
looks to me, the way that it's kind of turned
this thing around, and then see what they can do
in this next offseason to see if they can't improve
on where they are. But yeah, you know, when you
look at the draft where I am in the process
right now, I don't get blown away with the overall
depth and quality of the quarterback class. So I think
(30:41):
you're running it back with Tua and you're hoping that
this little late season magic that they've found, really with
the run game being cranked up as a key part
of that, you're hoping that that's going to carry forward
into next year. And you look inside that division now,
and you know, you got two of the better teams
in the AFC with New England in Buffalo. The Jets
haven't quite figured it out, but it's still a tall
(31:05):
order for them to get over those other two teams
with where they are right now. But I think they're
going to give this construction in terms of the head
coach and the quarterback one more crack at it.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I'm kind of tight on time, But which team did
your opinion change on more Bears or Packers after that game?
Speaker 5 (31:25):
I won't give you a long answer. I came away
feeling like these are two of the best teams in
the conference, and I think Roma Dunes say they get
him back with Chicago that to really help. But I
was very impressed with the overall speed of that defense
in Green Bay and Jordan Love made throws, so I
was impressed with both of them.
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What happened?
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Speaker 4 (32:30):
Now?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Is it a different one where they go to go
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Brown Christmas or I'm trying to remember.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
It's been a minute.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I haven't watched it this year, but it will be
watched in the next few weeks. My son just he
does get a kick, He gets kick out of Snoopy. Yeah,
so I will give you an.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Update, Okay, because you guys you do know what I'm
talking about, right, Like, there's Charlie Brown Christmas.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I can't remember if which is the one where they
are overseas.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
Sources are telling me, Doug the a the you said
chateau in France. Yeah, that is not not a part
of the Charlie Brown Christmas Special, Okay?
Speaker 1 (33:08):
Is it Charlie Brown chateau or something? Maybe bon Voyage
Charlie Brown, that's where it is. Bon Voyage Charlie Brown.
There you go, because they have the Thanksgiving one, the bon.
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Voyage, and the Halloween one.
Speaker 8 (33:18):
Two.
Speaker 7 (33:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the great punkin Charlie Brown. That was
from Vince Vince Vince Giraldi.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
Is that did all that?
Speaker 7 (33:27):
The piano based Christmas music for Charlie Brown.
Speaker 1 (33:30):
And let's get to the press, the press, Dan Byer,
give me the hottest topics and sports.
Speaker 3 (33:40):
So Adam Schefter just quote retweeted a tweet sent out
by Stephen Holder, who covers the NFL and the Colts
for ESPN. Holder is saying that if you've watched the
last two days in practice, you would come away thinking
that Philip Rivers is prepping to start against the Seahawks
on Sunday. In his words, it isn't difficult to tell
(34:03):
who a team is prepping to start. That player is
Rivers here, do pr I'm just gonna tell you right now,
I love Philip Rivers. Do I think Justin Herbert's better?
Speaker 6 (34:13):
Like?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, I love the fact that he can move and
not just And you know, but if you've ever met
Philip Rivers and been blessed enough to talk football with him,
it's impossible not to root for that guy.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I believe that.
Speaker 8 (34:28):
Jason Stewart, I know you listen to the end of
Bones podcast every day down, but I just want for
the listeners that don't. My opinion is that Philip Rivers
should not have taken seventeen. I think he literally put
insults injury by taking the number of the guy that
just ruined his achilles forty eight hours earlier. He could
(34:49):
have picked any other number. There is only gonna be
for three weeks. Doug does not feel as passionate as
I do. Where do you wand on this?
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I think that Rivers had it first, should have taken seventeen,
Like yeah, Guy's right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
That that's like the classic. It was mine first.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I remember having arguments with my brother and sister and
I usually lost an argument, but that was my argument.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I would also say this, like the marketing in Philip Rivers.
If he would what does he does he have ten kids?
Like if you would have wornd ten, anybody who had
a Philip Rivers ten Colts Jersey would have been for
those these four games. I love that, which would be
very rare, like ten years from now, you'd be like,
you see that guy that River's Colts jersey wearing number ten.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Is he a grandpa? I forget didn't didn't we report
that story?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Is he the first grandpa to ever played? Quarta Stark Star.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Quarterback Kavina and Rich said Brett Farv was so Farv
was a grandpa when he played at the end of
his career.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
Did you guys see the tweet by Stefan Diggs? He
saw the story where Philip Rivers has ten kids and
Stefon Diggs quote tweeted at saying why would you have
all your kids with the same person?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
That was a parody account.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
What's the guy's name who keeps doing the the the
insider reports? But it's O they're all fake?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
The is it Wesley Steinberg? Is that that's one of them?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
There's one of them.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
There's a couple of them. There's a college basketball one
as well, one that said you got suspended from the
radio show for a week. Yes, with that one, Yeah,
we knew that was fake as well. Steelers edge rusher TJ.
Watt spent the night at a Pittsburgh hospital after experiencing
this comfort with his lung in practice on Wednesday. The
team says his status for Monday's game against the Dolphins
(36:28):
is not known.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
That would be Stella, right. He he coomes out in
like sex quarterback. He's got like the hospital bracelets still
on one long and I still got you. But that
scary stuff when you can't bring itt to the hospital.
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
I've never seen an injury like parentheses lung never.
Speaker 8 (36:45):
Yeah, at least I had something called it's a lung
thing yep. And it makes you very uncomfortable. My guess
is that it's ploris.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
You kind of have general pleuracy. You make people uncomfortable
often the.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
LA Bowl made people uncomfortable. But after six years, it's
coming to an end. Your buddy, Brett McMurphy for On
three says there are no plans to renew the contract
of the Bowl. That will end after six years. It'll
end Saturday with Washington taking on Boise States. Hey, what
was kids pour one out in La? It was in
Orange County? Was the California Bowl?
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Was there was a Freedom Bowl at Freedom Ble He
used to be the Freedom Bowl at Anheim Stadium. And
that is the press bag it out there and press
that was the press all right? Check out the end
the bonus podcast. Uh, Jay Stu and I talk about
this Shroon Moore thing at at length, at nauseum really,
but kind of get deeper into it. Download it wherever
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(37:47):
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We'll talk to Press as well.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
DJ. I'll get us into the Nation Football League.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
We'll figure out what his thoughts are on Shidur after
another stellar start for the Browns. Get his thoughts on
PR Philip Rivers as he is the color voice of
the Chargers. Matter of fact, he was color voice of
the Chargers when Philip Rivers was the quarterback and changed
I Can was the offensive coordinator, so he knows all
about that relationship. Got a bunch of things to get
(01:05):
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the time of the week where we usually do don't
call it a throwback Thursday, and we have a lot
of fun and we're gonna go back to two thousand
and eight. I'm gonna give credit to Dan Byer because
(01:28):
he's the only professional in this group, because we all
wanted to mess around and have fun about two thousand
and He's like, you know, this is too big a story,
and he's right. Our job is to cover what people
are talking about. We can't start an hour of a
radio show and be a real sports radio show that
talks about what people are talking about without talking about
this run more story. So we're not gonna do don't
(01:49):
call it throw back Thursday, not that we wouldn't have
fun with it, not that we can't pocket it and
do it next week. So yesterday, at about this time,
maybe a little bit late, like fifteen minutes, was when
this story broke. We have we are twenty four hours
into it, and the irony to it was Dan and
(02:10):
I along with who is our guest yesterday that Adam
Kaplan who covers the National Football League. We were talking
about jobs and I was like, hey, you know, maybe
Sharon Moore in Michigan next year because I knew the pressure.
It's like, don't ever follow Harbaugh. It's going to happen
(02:30):
at Stanford. By the way he left, I don't ever
find it's too it's really hard. I mean, Caitlin de
bores in the College Football Playoff. Most people believe that
had they been left out of the college football Playoff,
they get fired. And there are people saying today that
even though they're going to play against Oklahoma, get a
(02:52):
rematch against team that they massively outgained Okay and they
got to play on the road, that he may leave
and take the Michigan job because following Saban it's like
following Caliperry when you're in doesn't work for anybody so
hard because the guys are they're so good, they have
it so wired, they have all their people, and then
they leave and it's really really hard to put that together. Again,
(03:16):
that's not why he.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Lost his job.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
He lost his job because messed round with a woman
that not only was not his wife and he was married,
but he employed her. That's how they got and there's
no real defense for it. I mean, what what, what
do you like? The everybody's out to get me? And
like again, we can all in our minds speculate as
(03:42):
to the did it just happened once and then she
said something to somebody and then it got back to
her and that's why he went.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Out And for we like, why are you telling people?
I don't know? It doesn't matter.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
All it takes is once she works for you, Okay,
she can sue the entire university, you understand, and others
can sue as well, now for unfair hiring practices.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
That's what he like.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
We all look at the infidelity and it's I'm not
in any way saying infidelity is a good thing.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
I'm not.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
I'm saying the reason he got fired is because it
opens up university to a litany of legal issues, and
universities almost always settle because if you go to court,
then it's got to be disclosure. Then everybody's text messages,
everybody's emails, everybody they know gets exposed, and there's always
(04:38):
something when you know, you open up the hood that
you don't like.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
That's what happened, you know, that's the reality of it.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
And if this is one of those we thought the
hiring cycle had kind of ended. But I want you
to stop and take a breath and think about this.
Penn State, Michigan, Michigan State, Arkansas, LSU, Florida, Auburn, Kentucky forgetting,
(05:12):
forgetting some Oklahoma State, Iowa State, UCLA, well messing any
Dan Byer that have come upen so far this year.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
I think that's plenty. Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
I mean, holy cow, holy cow, Like if you thought
the transfer portal was something, we're talking about half of
the biggest programs in the Virginia Tech Sorry, insane, what's
happened in this sport? Obviously this is a different story
(05:47):
than those other ones, but there's some similarities there.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Crazy Dan, Where are you on the story right now?
Speaker 4 (05:56):
So?
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah, the reason that I wanted to talk about it
is also when you were with George Reister. It's other
schools have had scandals before. You brought up my name
as an Ohio State fan, and I know there's no
qualms about that. Whatsoever. But it feels like the points
that I think people are talking about and then I'm
(06:16):
curious about, are being framed that this is coming from
a bias side. And when you're saying that Penn State
can't say anything, Michigan State everything. Yeah, everybody has gone
through it, but guess what, they're not going through it
right now, Like this is the topic that is going
on right now that we are talking about, So it
doesn't come from a bias. It comes from this is
the thing that people are talking about. And there are
(06:38):
legitimate questions about why this happened. When this happened, We're
hearing other rumors about Sharon more and maybe reaching out
to other females, whether they be only fans models or
ig models like these are all things that are starting
to pop up. But there's also the point of this
is that why did this investigation conclude on December tenth?
(07:05):
And why did this investigation which had been going on
for months that people close to the program had known about,
why did it happen then? And why wasn't anything done
at that time? And I think these are all questions
and I'm saying this because I don't have the answers
to them, I can guess, and I could be I
guess I could be an Ohio State fan and said,
(07:26):
you just wanted to be at Ohio State. But that
could be an absolute reason. They did it the week
after National Signing Day? Was that fair to the recruits? Like?
What are all these reasons? And all of these things
that are being brought up are legitimate aside from the
fact that he violated the university code. But as I
told you yesterday, the thing that wasn't different to me
(07:48):
was this is what broke the straw that broke the
camel's back, him having an affair with a staffer after
everything that has gone on within that program, that this
was the point where they said we can't have Sharon
Moore anymore. He still hasn't completed as full suspension from
his role in the counter Stallion's situation, like there were
(08:10):
still more games that he needed to serve via suspension.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Well, but doesn't that doesn't that answer itself though? And
again the first thing is I understand what you're saying.
I'll get into the the and I apologize to you
if you thought the fan thing was casting dispersions on
your opinion, it was not I'll get to I'll explain
in one second. The first thing is you did you
basically laid it out yourself for as why there can
be no tolerance for it. You're still haven't served all
(08:34):
your game suspension and you have this like come on,
what are we doing here.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Second thing is.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
It's one thing to be to have infidelity. It's a
whole other thing when she works for you. It's not
she works at the university. She works for you. Okay,
that is lawsuit, lawsuit, lossuit. Everybody who applied for that job,
because it's a state institution, in order to hire somebody, okay,
they have to go through all these.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Layers of hiring.
Speaker 1 (09:03):
Or you have to do an emergency high where you're
like hey, and that that's when the president has to
get involved, the ad has to get involved in you
do an emergency high. So anybody who applied for that
job that doesn't get it can now sue Michigan for
unfair hiring practices because you hired somebody because they think
she was stooping the head coach. That's the real again,
that's the reality of what happens in these situations. Okay,
(09:24):
it is is a Title nine violation.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
It is a.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
What's the HR violation as well as a violation of
your contract and your and the university code, et cetera.
But more than anything, if you do something where your
school can get sued for it, you're going to get fired.
And then you factor in as you said, still hadn't
served all the suspension for the previous scandals, which has
nothing to do with this, but it's the we we can't.
(09:50):
I don't think it got to that level. I don't
think it had anything to do with any of that
other stuff. I do think they wanted them gone because
they weren't winning, like Ohio State was winning. And I
think it made it really really easy for him, and
it's really really dumb.
Speaker 3 (10:02):
I agree with that, And that's why I say, if
there wasn't something happening in October, considering the damage, and
I actually think that the culture that Sharon Moore was
living in in ann Arbor, within that program, within that
university allowed him to think that he was superman. I mean,
he got away with everything he did, and so like
(10:25):
that's why I also think that some of the blame
then comes on Michigan and falls on them for how
this all transpired, and I think that there could be
blame if they knew about this for months in advance
and knew that something was going on.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
It's a great question, but I don't Again, I don't
know the mike. Again, this is just a guess. Okay,
the guess is, yeah, they probably probably didn't know a
while back, right, there's no more secrets, only fact he
had to be revealed.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
They probably knew.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
And yeah, again, it is curious that that they didn't
have the findings. But you also have to have a
thorough investigation.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
You just do.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
And had they come to the conclusion in the middle
of the season, you nap palm the year nap palm. Now,
I don't know legal ease, and I obviously they have
to protect themselves. Like when you have these things going on,
all the lawyers get involved and you're like, you know,
so if they did it so that it was done
after the season had concluded, they did it under the
(11:28):
guidance of university attorneys.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Again, we're acting like we know, we're not. I'm not
an attorney. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
But something of this magnitude is never done without the
most important people signing off on the most important people
is the attorney right, because Michigan has a massive endowment
and all of that can be had with lawsuits. Right,
it's what's hindered Michigan State with the trainer. They had
(11:55):
USC had these issues as well. Okay, so well you're
you're not like, when do they know about this? And
that's also how people get fired. When did you know?
And what did you do about it? And did you
pass it up the chine of command. If you didn't
tell you're superior, then you're going to get fired today.
And if your superior got this information and didn't pass
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it up to their superior, they're going to get fired today.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
That talent.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
That's how these things work, and that's why I started
the show going. I actually understand all these people are
going to be one everybody right, And it's crazy because
as you and I know, Michigan's basketball team is unbelievable.
They're being there smacking everybody by forty Nobody cares right now.
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All they care about is football, and this is a
massive stain on an incredible university. But yet you're listen,
we're all right to speculate my issue on the or
my thought on the talk of being a fan is
I do think that our fandom gets in the that's
where the well, you know, they were able to get
away with violations the Connor Stallions thing, and I'm like, dude,
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I just don't see a correlation at all.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
I just don't.
Speaker 3 (13:04):
I know. You do you agree that Michigan was not
forthcoming with the NC double A throughout the investigation?
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I do, but I have no I also hold on
holld let me finish my finish. But again that comes
from Oklahoma State basketball. Totally forthcoming, got penalized anyway, and
everybody tells you, like you know, it used to be,
follow the sword, tell them everything and you'll get you know,
and they'll lessen the punishment. And that doesn't happen. So
now it's like, don't say nothing, but nobody about nothing.
Period's top again. And I but again, I just don't think.
(13:35):
I could be wrong and I could be naive on
this one. But I don't think because you because I
don't think they got away with anything with the Connor
Stallions thing.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I just don't. I don't think. I don't think it
was a massive deal. We all do things in scouting
and trying to know somebody's play.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Cards, that's not the point we're starting to move away.
The point is is if Michigan did did cover up,
or was not forthcoming to the NC Douablea, then why
would we expect them to be forthcoming about their head
football coach in the middle of a football season that
you just said five minutes ago that they didn't want
to tank the season because they had a four million
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dollar quarterback. However much Bryce Underwood was making, they only
had a loss to Oklahoma on their schedule. There were
still bigger fish to fry. And that's the question about
what about the timing of all of this, like the
Sharon More stuff is I think it's blatantly obvious if
you're having an affair with your staffer, whether you're married
or not, whether we have kids or not, can't happen.
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You're one hundred percent correct. But how much did Michigan know,
Because that's the point of everything that happened in the
Harbaugh era and the conter Stallions thing, and even before that,
what did Michigan know and did they cooperate? Did they
think they could get away with it again? And then
when it was convenient for them to get rid of
a head coach, that boosters and other people were souring on.
(14:56):
They then acted on the opportunity. That's what every Ohio
State fan, Michigan State fan, every college football fan, every
sports fan wants to know and probably has a right
to know whether they're a fan of those teams or not.
And that's what we don't know right now. And that's
why I think this is such a huge story. And
as big as it.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Is, when do they know, who do they tell, what
do they do about it? It's the it's where the
cover up becomes bigger than the crime.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
I get it.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
I'm still dealing with the crime, and I think the
allegations of a cover up we'll see. My guess is, again,
this is a guess. I don't know. I have zero facts.
I've had zero time to call people and dig in.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
I just have.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
My personal guess is they probably did find out about
it sometime in the middle of the season, and they
probably went to the lawyers and like, hey, what do
we do, Like you got to have a complete investigation,
and I'm sure they probably said, like, let's have it
for after the game, after the season is done.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
But I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
I don't know if there's a university policy that has
a uniformity with the timeline of investigation forty five thirty days,
forty five days, sixty days, six months. I don't know,
but I do believe that if there was an investigation
in which there.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Was Okay, that's what we were told, right, if.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
There was an investigation, all of these things. Again, part
of it, part of the good thing in your desire
to get answers, is you will because it's at a
state institution, it's at a state institution, it was a
private school, then go none of your business, none of
your business. And it is It's also interesting that you know,
Pat Fitzgerald just got a job at Michigan State, right
(16:39):
he was He was fired because of allegations of mistreatment
of players. Okay, they did an investigation. We didn't find
out about any of those findings to it till he
took him to court and then he you know, there
was there were stories about it, but he took him
to court and was exonerated and I was back as
head coaching in the Big Ten. I don't think Sharon
Moore is going to be exonerated, but I do think
we'll find out all of those details that you want
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to know. I don't think you can cover it, cover
it up when there's a university led investigation in the
state institution, especially.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
One like Michigan.
Speaker 1 (17:07):
That's that's that's a an educated guess. But again I
want to make sure that's clear. It's a guess you
will have. You will know when they knew, and you
will will probably have to assume some things, but you
will know who knew and what they did about it,
and if they didn't do enough, or if they didn't
pass up a chain of command, or they didn't alert
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others to it, or if they made it.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
So, hey, let's make the investment.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
If there's an email that says, hey, let's make sure
this investigation comes to a conclusion. After football senison is over,
that person will be fired. That includes ward manual, that
includes the president of university, that includes anybody.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
That's that's how it works. They all lose their jobs
if they didn't do the job properly.
Speaker 6 (17:49):
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Speaker 1 (18:03):
You guys know this, I do not so the Coliseum
Are they doing opening ceremonies back there again? Are they
putting the track back in the Colisseum for twenty.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
Eight Yes, they're building a track that is actually going
to be elevated, I don't know, like six to twelve
feet above the ground. It's a unique setup, but it
takes a really, really long time to put together. And
they have the para Olympics coming up in late August.
So the teardown from all of that and then to
get the grass grow is the reason why. According to
the Times.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
That could be crazy if you think about it, right, UCLA,
if you don't know, is moving to Sofi from the
Rose Bowl. USC would move to the Rose Bowl. I
mean USC would be in Sofi. The Rams are in Sofi,
the Chargers are in so Fi. And I will tell
you that my two favorite stadiums occupy my two favorite teams, Packers,
Lambeaux Classic. Right, it's been redone a bunch of times,
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but the core of it, the lower Bowl is still
the same, and then Sofi, which is the newest. It's
the nicest place I've ever been. But can you imagine
they have four tenants for a year. It's insane, insane,
especially all those houses in Englewood. They're charging like a
hundred of pop for every time you park there.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
What a mess?
Speaker 3 (19:15):
What a mess.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
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Let's welcome in. Daniel Jeremiah DJ joins us on.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
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Speaker 6 (19:33):
DJ.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I got to ask you about the Michigan story. One,
because well you cover football too. You your other one
of your other jobs is as the Chargers color analyst, okay.
And three your dad is a very very famous preacher
in the United States. When when you heard that story,
what was your what what went through your mind?
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Well, I think probably like a lot of other people there,
you know, I'd heard rumors for a while that there
was you know, not all the details, but some of
the you know what was what ended up coming out
had been rumored about for a while in kind of
the football world, in football circles, So it wasn't totally
shocked and surprised by by it when it came out.
But my first thought, and this goes to the way
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you know that I was raised, and and I hope
a lot of people think, but it's like Ali, I
just feel terrible for his wife and those kids, and
this girl and and all that she's gone through and
this whole thing. It's just it's a lot bigger than football.
You know, you start there first and foremost, and then uh,
you know, from that standpoint you look forward and go, man,
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all these all these kids that are at Michigan currently
on the team, as well as all the people who
just signed up to go there. Man, they're left in limbo.
I mean, it's just, it's just it's an awful, awful,
awful decision made by you know, this one person that
has just ripple effects through a lot of lives.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
It's it is It's nuts how how all the different
entanglements and all the different things that it doesn't even
for hardball, it ends up. You know, you already had
the NC investigation for the Connors stallions. Now it does
put a little bit of a stain on.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
His era there. The other big story of the week
was Philip.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
Rivers signing the practice squad to the Indianapolis Colts. By
the way, guys, do we have that? Do we have
the met with Telesco? This is randomly what happened. Te
LESCo joins us every Monday, right every Monday. So you know,
we were reacting to Danny Dimes, you do have it
or don't have it? Okay, to Danny Dimes tearing his
(21:37):
achilles tendon.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Right.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
So we had te LESCo on and he's like, I said,
how does this work?
Speaker 6 (21:42):
Right?
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Because being a general manager for twelve years, he's had
these situations where a guy goes down late in the year.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
You know, you can't trade for anybody. H This was
the conversation we had.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
Here we are, we're at December eighth. You've been in
a similar situation where I gotta find a quarterback here
you know who's on the street, and I got a
potential playoff team.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
What's this?
Speaker 2 (22:04):
What's the process?
Speaker 6 (22:05):
Like?
Speaker 2 (22:05):
How does it work.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Well?
Speaker 4 (22:07):
At this point? Since you're past the trade deadline, you're
really your only chance. It's gonna have to be somebody
from your own roster at this at this point, unless
you just get lucky and there's a quarterback who's on
the street, who's been in a shame steaks like an
offense before I'd have to look it up for the
chances are slim.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
So I mean you gonna call Philip Rivers get him
out of retirement.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
Yeah, I don't know if you've seen Phillip recently, and
mean he's coaching high school football I think right now,
so I think that may not work.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Crazy, right, I was like Philip Rivers, Okay, so there
have been lots of Oh, isn't there anybody else? My
thought was like, like Jeff George, right, you still come out?
Can I don't know if he can do it, but
he's basically like a quarterback coach, a savant who can
teach the system and yeah, maybe for for a game,
can come in while somebody else learns what they're doing.
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You've been around both, You've seen how they work together.
Does this make sense to you?
Speaker 5 (23:03):
Yeah, that actually kind of does. You know. You say
a little bit of a hail Mary here, but there's
zero learning curve. He probably knows that offense even better
than the guy who's putting the play call in his headset,
so you have no no learning to take place there.
He's going to get you in the right run. Plays
you got a good offensive line and elite running back,
so he's going to help your run game from that standpoint,
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and then to me, it's just, you know, not so much.
This first game, you know, fends up being the case,
which I would imagine it would be that he starts
against Seattle is going to be how did he come
out of it for the next game and then the
game after that, you know, that would be more of
my concern. I saw that there's like two touchdowns. You know,
they're saying Seattle this week, and I'm looking at that
(23:46):
going I don't I mean maybe if that was a
second or third week, but I think the first week back,
they'll they'll throw every screen imaginable, which Phillis can do
that until he's one hundred years old. And they're going
to run the ball with Jonathan Taylor, which will shorten
the game, and he'll get him in some good run plays.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
You can't lose this step. You never here's me, here's
here's mine.
Speaker 5 (24:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
People are like, well, he can't lose the step you
never had.
Speaker 5 (24:06):
Yeah, he was just part of his games.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
No, no, no, he had never had.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
I mean the only thing is going to be arm strength,
which faded how about this this here's a here's an
interesting one for you. You remember Tim Hasselback came Matt Hasseback
came back and started started a game.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
I think he was like.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Forty when he won a couple of games coming back right,
and he could kind of barely throw it late. And
we've seen this before from Indy. But how many people
know they won eleven games in his last year there? Again,
he wasn't great, but they know they It's not like
he went out and he was terrible and they won
two games and it was shame Like they won eleven games?
Speaker 2 (24:39):
Is last year in Indy?
Speaker 5 (24:40):
Yeah no, that'ought I'm saying. I feel the short little
first here. I think he'll be okay. My thing's going
to be how to come out of it after a
couple of physical games. I can't imagine. I got invited.
I just turned forty eight. I got invited to play
in a high school a lovenight baseball game, Like baseball
just jogg around chance, No chance would I ever do that, dude,
(25:04):
Like there's just even just the smallest bit of effort
trying to leg something out. Assuming I could actually put
the ball in play, which is quite an assumption. That's
just I don't have faith in my body to hold up.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
There, Shudor what'd you think? What'd you think of sor Sanders?
Speaker 5 (25:19):
I think there's some good stuff. You know, it's obvious.
You know you can go to the all the Raiders
and the and the Titans are the games, and the
quality of the competition's not great with those. You know,
his his two good performances, but he's he's pushed the
ball down the field, which I like to see from
a young quarterback. He hasn't you know, been scared the
way he's played. There's still stuff to clean up. He's
still put the ball in harms away a couple of times,
(25:41):
you know, continues to drift a little bit, which he's
gotten better, but that still needs to improve. But he
throws I mean, when he's clean and protected in there,
he throws a really pretty ball. He's very accurate with
how he throws it. So you know they'll step up
in competition this week. It'll be a better evaluation tool.
But you know, from what we saw with Dylan g Abriel,
just an unwillingness to try and get the ball down
(26:03):
the field. You can't score points, you know, so he's
given him a chance to push the ball and score
some points. So I think it's been a clear upgrade
over Dylan Gabriel And and it's a big it's a
big home stretch for him. If he could somehow show
them the upside that would that would take them out
of the quarterback market for this next year. They have
a lot of resources they could build up the rest
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of their roster.
Speaker 1 (26:24):
Yeah, that's the big question, right, Like if it was today,
And I know it's not today. I know they have
the rest of the season to evaluate, But if it
was today, because you can't keep him and there's no
quarterback competition, if you draft a guy with your first pick, right,
he's going to be the guy. So you got to
make a decisions either this is our guy in schnor
Sanders and he can't be a backup.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
That's not happening.
Speaker 5 (26:44):
Would you agree with that, Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Yeah, he's just too big a personality, too big a name.
He's not a backup.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Okay, So he's either your starter or you go draft
a starter.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
If it was today and they ask you, DJ and
I know you haven't gotten deep in to your evals
of the quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
But what would you do based off where we are
right now and a couple of teams, you know, potentially
being ahead of him in the draft. Yeah, I would
stick with him for another year. I would give him
a full year audition. I wouldn't be in a hurry
to run right back into that market. I would give
him a year and then have infrastructure in place. You've
got extra picks you can have, you can have an
(27:23):
opportunity that in the twenty seven and you'll have a
better roster to support whenever you'd take a quarterback if
he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
The guy Stell Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio.
I don't want to declare like being a Charger guy.
I don't want to call time of death on the
on the Chiefs, right. I don't want to be that guy.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Right.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Let somebody else do it. But in your mind, what's
your reaction to where they are in terms of, you know,
surprised or not, Like, what's your reaction to the Chiefs
season today?
Speaker 5 (27:57):
Well, I think that should be a total surprise, just
because the roster just hasn't, you know, offensively been where
it needs to be, and they've tried a lot of different.
You know, guys in terms of playmakers, they just haven't
hit the right struck the right cord really since Tyreek
Hill left. And they've had enough with Kelsey and a dominant,
(28:19):
dominant defense that they were able to overcome it. And
now that the defense has taken a little bit of
a step back and isn't quite at that elite level,
they're finding themselves losing a ton of these close games,
low scoring close games. So you know, it's not that
to me, is a little bit of just the failure
of trying to put the right skill pieces around him.
(28:39):
They don't catch the ball while they drop a bazillion ball,
so there's it's not a total surprise. I also think
it's just, you know, we talked about a team that
goes to the super Bowl one year, and that's fatigue
that you have the following year. I mean, they have
made deep runs in the last ever since he came
into the league, they've made a deep run. So it
looks like a little older, a little tired group at
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this point in time.
Speaker 1 (29:01):
Does it Does it in any way make the Patriots
look better? Because the Patriots did not have one of
these falloffs right the year they didn't make the playoffs.
Was when Matt Kassel was their quarterback and Brady was hurt.
They still want eleven games that year. Does this in
any way make that Patriots run even more impressive?
Speaker 5 (29:21):
Not for me, just because that was the that was
the worst division outside of the Patriots for so long.
And the Chiefs look up and you've got the Chargers
in the playoffs last year, likely this year, the Broncos
last year, likely this year. Now the Raiders suck, But
you've got two other high caliber organizations in your division
right now. I just thought the Patriots it was they
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were playing the JV schedule inside their own division for
so many years.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio, speaking of
that division. The Dolphins have quietly become kind of decent,
right the five hundred reasonable finish for the season, and like.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
There's two levels to it.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
One, didn't they get rid of the bad culture guys?
Speaker 5 (30:05):
Right?
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Jalen Ramsey gone, Tyreek hillgne Oh my gosh. They're actually
a decent football team now. And I guess the question
is what do they do moving forward? New GM? New
GM's coming, But you still have the quarterback and coach
under contract.
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Yeah, I think that you're going to see the quarterback
and the coach back. You know, that's the way it
looks to me, the way that it's kind of turned
this thing around, and then see what they can do
in this next offseason to see if they can't improve
on where they are. But yeah, you know, when you
look at the draft where I am in the process
right now, I don't get blown away with the overall
depth and quality of the quarterback class. So I think
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you're running it back with Tua and you're hoping that
this little late season magic that they've found, really with
the run game being cranked up as a key part
of that, you're hoping that that's going to carry forward
into next year. And you look inside that division now,
and you know, you got two of the better teams
in the AFC with New England in Buffalo. The Jets
haven't quite figured it out, but it's still a tall
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order for them to get over those other two teams
with where they are right now. But I think they're
going to give this construction in terms of the head
coach and the quarterback one more crack at it.
Speaker 1 (31:14):
I'm kind of tight on time, But which team did
your opinion change on more Bears or Packers after that game?
Speaker 5 (31:25):
I won't give you a long answer. I came away
feeling like these are two of the best teams in
the conference, and I think Roma Dunes say they get
him back with Chicago that to really help. But I
was very impressed with the overall speed of that defense
in Green Bay and Jordan Love made throws, so I
was impressed with both of them.
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Speaker 4 (32:30):
Now?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Is it a different one where they go to go
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Brown Christmas or I'm trying to remember.
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It's been a minute.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
I haven't watched it this year, but it will be
watched in the next few weeks. My son just he
does get a kick, He gets kick out of Snoopy. Yeah,
so I will give you an.
Speaker 1 (32:49):
Update, Okay, because you guys you do know what I'm
talking about, right, Like, there's Charlie Brown Christmas.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
I can't remember if which is the one where they
are overseas.
Speaker 7 (32:58):
Sources are telling me, Doug the a the you said
chateau in France. Yeah, that is not not a part
of the Charlie Brown Christmas Special, Okay?
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Is it Charlie Brown chateau or something? Maybe bon Voyage
Charlie Brown, that's where it is. Bon Voyage Charlie Brown.
There you go, because they have the Thanksgiving one, the bon.
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Voyage, and the Halloween one.
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The piano based Christmas music for Charlie Brown.
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Speaker 3 (33:40):
So Adam Schefter just quote retweeted a tweet sent out
by Stephen Holder, who covers the NFL and the Colts
for ESPN. Holder is saying that if you've watched the
last two days in practice, you would come away thinking
that Philip Rivers is prepping to start against the Seahawks
on Sunday. In his words, it isn't difficult to tell
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who a team is prepping to start. That player is
Rivers here, do pr I'm just gonna tell you right now,
I love Philip Rivers. Do I think Justin Herbert's better?
Speaker 6 (34:13):
Like?
Speaker 1 (34:14):
Yeah, I love the fact that he can move and
not just And you know, but if you've ever met
Philip Rivers and been blessed enough to talk football with him,
it's impossible not to root for that guy.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I believe that.
Speaker 8 (34:28):
Jason Stewart, I know you listen to the end of
Bones podcast every day down, but I just want for
the listeners that don't. My opinion is that Philip Rivers
should not have taken seventeen. I think he literally put
insults injury by taking the number of the guy that
just ruined his achilles forty eight hours earlier. He could
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have picked any other number. There is only gonna be
for three weeks. Doug does not feel as passionate as
I do. Where do you wand on this?
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I think that Rivers had it first, should have taken seventeen,
Like yeah, Guy's right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:02):
That that's like the classic. It was mine first.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I remember having arguments with my brother and sister and
I usually lost an argument, but that was my argument.
Speaker 3 (35:10):
I would also say this, like the marketing in Philip Rivers.
If he would what does he does he have ten kids?
Like if you would have wornd ten, anybody who had
a Philip Rivers ten Colts Jersey would have been for
those these four games. I love that, which would be
very rare, like ten years from now, you'd be like,
you see that guy that River's Colts jersey wearing number ten.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Is he a grandpa? I forget didn't didn't we report
that story?
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Is he the first grandpa to ever played? Quarta Stark Star.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Quarterback Kavina and Rich said Brett Farv was so Farv
was a grandpa when he played at the end of
his career.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
Did you guys see the tweet by Stefan Diggs? He
saw the story where Philip Rivers has ten kids and
Stefon Diggs quote tweeted at saying why would you have
all your kids with the same person?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
That was a parody account.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
What's the guy's name who keeps doing the the the
insider reports? But it's O they're all fake?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
The is it Wesley Steinberg? Is that that's one of them?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
There's one of them.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
There's a couple of them. There's a college basketball one
as well, one that said you got suspended from the
radio show for a week. Yes, with that one, Yeah,
we knew that was fake as well. Steelers edge rusher TJ.
Watt spent the night at a Pittsburgh hospital after experiencing
this comfort with his lung in practice on Wednesday. The
team says his status for Monday's game against the Dolphins
(36:28):
is not known.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
That would be Stella, right. He he coomes out in
like sex quarterback. He's got like the hospital bracelets still
on one long and I still got you. But that
scary stuff when you can't bring itt to the hospital.
I don't know what's going on.
Speaker 3 (36:41):
I've never seen an injury like parentheses lung never.
Speaker 8 (36:45):
Yeah, at least I had something called it's a lung
thing yep. And it makes you very uncomfortable. My guess
is that it's ploris.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
You kind of have general pleuracy. You make people uncomfortable
often the.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
LA Bowl made people uncomfortable. But after six years, it's
coming to an end. Your buddy, Brett McMurphy for On
three says there are no plans to renew the contract
of the Bowl. That will end after six years. It'll
end Saturday with Washington taking on Boise States. Hey, what
was kids pour one out in La? It was in
Orange County? Was the California Bowl?
Speaker 1 (37:25):
Was there was a Freedom Bowl at Freedom Ble He
used to be the Freedom Bowl at Anheim Stadium. And
that is the press bag it out there and press
that was the press all right? Check out the end
the bonus podcast. Uh, Jay Stu and I talk about
this Shroon Moore thing at at length, at nauseum really,
but kind of get deeper into it. Download it wherever
you download podcast type been Doug Gottlieb Show, This is
(37:47):
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