September 9, 2025 • 38 mins
Doug and the crew try something new in the premier of "Tuesday Morning Quarterback". Doug riffs on the college football weekend before welcoming on college football analyst RJ Young to discuss it. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through The Press.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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a really good second hour of the show and an
excellent podcast for you. My guy R. J. Young's gonna
join us. Oklahoma won a big football game, so that
means easy to clear Oklahoma the mythical national champion at
some point this hour. That's how our J rolls. But
still big win for Benton Vtables. We'll get to that.
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But we have a new feature on the show. We
take these things very seriously because most of the features
in the show we've had through the entirety of it
through multiple producers. But Jason Stewart has the creative gene.
Let's see what he's got in store for us.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well, Tuesday, this is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Monday's can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we
didn't get.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
To on Monday.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
This is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Okay, here's the basic premise of it. Okay, is what
did we all talk about on Monday? Well, because the
Bills had that great comeback win over the Ravens, talked
about that. I'd say Aaron Rodgers and the Jets because
we talk about the Jets way too much. But Aaron
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Rodgers also the fire saying it's good to beat anybody,
and everybody associated the Jets, I think a little bit
of the Packers because they had the Micah Parsons trade
and everybody. It was the Lions new coordinators, what would
that look like? I kind of feel like that was
sort of it. Russell Wilson being bad, you know, and
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Washington beating him. I feel like those are the main topics.
Dan Byer, let me just I'm asking you not because
I know it's Jay Stewing Ben in the segment, but
you did all the updates the show on Sunday show
on Monday. Did I nail what we basically talked about
yesterday in regards to Sunday?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yes, yes, I think so.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Okay, So Tuesday morning quarterback is what else? What do
we miss?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Is that? Right? Jay?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Su Is that the idea of it?
Speaker 5 (02:46):
That's what I thought about, And I'm trying to think
of where I got the concept. And I went back
into an exchange I had with Dan Byer. So again,
just like, don't call it a throwback Thursday, this is
a Dan Bier conceived.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I just this and I've been talking about but I've
been talking about this all summer. Is what are the
what are the teams that we should talk about? We're
not talking about. So it's actually all of us coming together.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Yeah, definitely, Yeah, collaboration, it's definitely. I had nothing to
do with this at all. I had no idea it
was coming. I had no idea they thought it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Okay, that's what they call me. You got one, buy
or go.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I think that Pete Carroll and the Raiders victory in
New England was significant. Number one I think that when
we look at the AFC West, we think it's a
three team race, and it probably is. But I do
think that the Raiders are going to give people a
problem and they will compete. It's what Pete Carroll teams do.
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They will change over a lot of faces. They did
it in Seattle. That's the way it worked for the Seahawks.
And I don't know if Pete Carroll's going to reach
the heights that he did with the Raiders that he
did in Seattle, but Week one was a really, really
good step to go on the road. You just talked
with John Middlecoff. Middlecoff didn't love how Drake May looked
in that game. I thought Drake May looked fine in
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the first half and I thought he didn't look good
in the second half, and I think that was due
in Part two. Also, what the Raiders were doing. Ashton
Genty didn't go off, but he gave them a physical
presence running the football, and when Gino Smith is throwing
for three hundred and sixty yards in the game, that's
a pretty good thing. So what the Raiders did. There
are a lot of other high profile Marquee games, but
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I think when we looked at the slate. We looked
at this as two non playoff teams in the AFC,
and honestly, I don't think that's the case with either
of them. I think better days are head for New
England and for the Raiders to go to New England
and win that game like they did. I thought it
was a big, big step in the Pete Carroll era
for the Silver and Black.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I have one, didn't she Fier? Did you ever used
to read the Sporting News?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yes? Actually I would get it from my neighbor. He
would when he was done with it, he would send
it over and maybe they'd be a couple of weeks.
But yes, the Sporting News was a great publication.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Right, so they had there was a there was a
guy who's the editorial guy that the fly right and
the fly had a specific way of talking, and one
of them was didn't you used to be right? Didn't
you used to be c J? Stroud? Like two years ago? CJ.
Stroud was a dude as a rookie, an absolute dude
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as a rookie. They have Nick Chubbs, so you have
at least somebody who can run the football. And I
get that the Rams have rebuilt their defense in very
short order. But I mean, there just wasn't a lot
to them through a pick no touchdowns nineteen twenty seven,
I just didn't you used to be c J. Strout.
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What happened to the Texans two years ago? They were
a team. Everybody's like, man, they're on the rise, young
smart coach, young smart, talented quarterback, and now they just
just a team. I thought that was a big one.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
I'd like to know too, what's up with CJ. Stroud
because I picked him as my MVP.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Oh, trust me, I got a tweet here Corvette Guy
twenty four, Sam picked CJ.
Speaker 7 (06:17):
Stroud as at his MVP and in an awful week.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Well, I was trying to just pick someone outside the
box a little bit, and so far it's not doing well.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Have we got in Corvette Guy twenty four verified? Yet?
I feel like we use him so much?
Speaker 7 (06:29):
You should be verified?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yes, ju, who's your team?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Corvette Guy twenty five is a little funnier? And speaking
of the Sporting News.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Can I say something about the Texans quick?
Speaker 7 (06:40):
Just you're allowed to okay your segment. You conceive that.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
They are a defensive team, holding the Rams to fourteen
points is something now to Doug's point of what's happened
to CJ. Stroud. Their offensive line is not good. They
also traded Lermie Tounzel away when they weren't good last
year to the Commanders. So there are issues on their
offensive line that will probably continue throughout this season as
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well like it did last year. So it is going
to be interesting to see on how they navigate and
what should be a winnable division for them. But in
games like that against the Rams, where again their defense
did enough and they did have a chance at the
end and maybe go ahead, but a Keith fumble hurt him.
You can't just kick three field goals in that contest.
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And yeah, for all of us that were crowning CJ.
Stroud after his rookie year, yeah, I think that there's
some remorse from that, But I don't think that he's
gotten a lot of help up front fair enough.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
I get a quick a Sporting News story so about
I don't know, five years ago or something. I sent
out a tweet that said, up, hey, I get all
my news, all my sports news from the Sporting News
signed nineteen ninety nine, and I got a very bitter
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tweet from Mike de Corsi. I think he's like still
getting paid by Sporting News, like four years after the fact. Yeah,
and so Mike de Corsi, it wasn't personal. I thought
it was a pretty funny joke, humor wiping up. Okay,
So I got this. So this kind of falls into
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the category two. As I was I was thinking about
this segment that Dan came up with, and I'm like,
it's not necessarily that we didn't mention this yesterday, because
we did because it was news. Brian day Ball announced
that he's going with Russell Wilson in week two. But
we just didn't drill down on this. And I want
to ask a question at the end of this, and
I really want to know your answer, Brian Dayball. I'm
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gonna I'm gonna give you the names of the of
people you may know or you not may not know.
Russell Wilson, Daniel Jones, Tyrod Taylor, Tommy DeVito, Drew Locke,
Hair Campbell. Those are the six quarterbacks that Brian day
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Ball has coached in the last two and a half years.
Six quarterbacks. Daniel Jones went on to the Colts and
had one of the most surprising weeks any players ever had.
I remember, in the kind of like wake of Dayball
leaving the Bills, there was that narrative that, Ooh, I
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don't think Josh Allen's the same guy without Dayball. Maybe
he needed Dayball. Well, he went on to win an
MVP and starred on Sunday Night. So I ask this group,
this collection here, those six quarterbacks I named are were
complete dog crap under day Ball, and the two guys
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that he has gone without have thrived. Isn't it a
date Brian Dayball problem in New York and not necessarily
a Russell Wilson or Daniel Jones problem.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Well, I think there's there's this they haven't had this year.
The offensive line is not good enough last year. Obviously
it's not just been lined, but no running game. The
you're you're acting though, is if Dave Ball doesn't correct,
creditors shouldn't get credit for Josh Allen's metaphors when I
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got you can only whisper so much, right, and we
consider here and go like, Russell Wilson's not the problem,
but I mean the Sean Payton literally said I want
anybody I want a rookie more than I want Russell Wilson. Right.
This is Russell Wilson's fourth team in five years, is
that right? Fourteenth Seahawks, Broncos, Steelers, Giants in five years,
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fourth and five years. So I hear you, but it's
not like those guys. Daniel Jones had one good game
and he's got a really good running back and their
defense dominated. Because to a tongue of ilis stinks.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
So Daniel Jones had say one Barkley two years ago.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I know when he had Sake one Barkley, he was
Danie Jones pretty good. That's when he got his extension.
When he didn't have Sake one Barkley wasn't any good.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Correct, That's the domino, though. The domino is the Daniel
Jones extension. They had that decision to make and what
did they do and then everything fell because of that decision?
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Yes, but I think a lot of that decision was
Daniel Jones is with the quarterback whisperer, so we feel
confident in giving him an extension.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
M hmm, okay, I got one. Does anybody you get
any credit for beating the Carolina Panthers. It's almost as
if it didn't happen, Like Travis atn Rushes for one
hundred and forty three eight point nine yards of care.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
It's seventy one of them on one carry.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, I mean whatever, they won the game, right, and
this is a this is a I don't know if
it's a make or break here, but it feels that
way with Trevor Lawrence, she got a new you know,
your new stuff. You're trying to figure it out. And
like again, I don't think Carolina is any good case
in point right. Remember shad Or Sanders lit up there
their twos and threes and we're like, easy, it's Carolina Panthers.
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So I have no idea on Carolina. But isn't it amazing?
Like it's literally a game we give you no credit for.
They might as well be prayerview A and M. That's
what they might have did.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
They were caught in a weather delay as well, so
like their game ended up crossing over into the late window,
and so then those other big games are going on
while that one was wrapping up. It was never necessarily close.
Definitely a step back for the for the Carolina Panthers
considering what had transpired last year. Unlike the Giants, who
we knew were bad. We at least thought the Panthers
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were trending upwards and they and they weren't.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Now, just to let the listener behind the curtain a
little bit, Sam and I had a conversation off air
that went something like this. You know, I wasn't in yesterday,
so I don't know what you guys talked about. And
I said, the cool thing is that I was here
so you could run ideas by me. And I'll tell
you what we didn't talk about. And then I'm like, Sam, yes,
last week you said the number one story for you
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was the Rams coming into the year, and Doug had
a problem with that. Remember, And I'm like, we didn't
talk about the Rams yesterday. Man, you could you could
validate your your story. You could talk about so as
Sam does he zigged when isaact And Sam, what did
you come up with?
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Well, we'll stay in the NFC West. I mean, they
won the game, but there are certainly questions swirling around
the San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I liked that Dan.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
I was here when they were wrapping up the game
in Seattle, and you you would agree that although the
Niners won, they had it. There's a lot of question
marks around them. There'sues we're not good. Kittle is out,
Rock Purty we found out is dinged up, and they
still don't have Brandon Nayuk. It looks like Ricky Pearsall
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is gonna step in there and maybe fill some of
that void and catching balls. But even with Christian McCaffrey back,
you know, rock Perty was not efficient.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
He was three two picks. You're wondering if he's the
guy could have been three good have been three. I
don't mind. I don't mind the interceptions as much as
some people. But I think Sam is on to something here,
and I feel like, if I say it, it sounds like
it's sour grapes because their arrival of the Seahawks and
they just beat them. But they do play so physical,
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like there is a physical play to them. And what
has been the problem with the forty nine ers in
years past, It's always been injuries. And so we say
this in a way of well, if they can stay healthy,
I think it's darn near impossible for them to stay healthy,
especially with the I mean George Kittle that I make
it through the first game of the year, I mean
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may come back and maybe find it.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Christian McCaffrey's going to be hurt right now, he's playing hurt,
He's going to be injurting.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yes, everybody gets hurt on that team, and they're older
sans pearcell In brock Purdy. But the guys that we expect,
like all the forty nine ers are turning around, are
two years older than they were from the last time
we saw them playing great football. And I just think,
like in week one of this is kind of already
happening with Kittle, When does it happen to CMC? When
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does it happen to Trent Williams? When does it? Because
they're older players and it's bound to happen, and with
the way that they play and how they play, I
just think it's inevitable. We don't want to talk about
it now, and you don't want to wish injury on anybody.
I just don't know how sustainable it is.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, I'll do one last team, one last one. And
I feel guilty about not talking about it because we
didn't have a show the next day, But of course
I want to talk about I mean, we can talk
about Justin Herbert how good he looked, But the Chiefs
did not look good. And you know, now you lose
Xavier Worthy on some friendly fire. Your top two wide
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receivers are out. And it's not like they don't have
the Panthers coming up. They got the Eagles coming up right,
like they play a first place Cansay Chiefs on national
TV every week. And yeah, I mean, and the defense
it wasn't like the defense was great. The Chiefs fans
are worried about a hole that should have been called, Like, dude, stop,
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you're the Chiefs. You've gotten every call for years. I
just I've been asking this question. You guys are my
witnesses the entire offseason. I still pick the Chiefs because again,
until I'm proven, Until I'm proven otherwise they figured it
out right, So maybe eventually figured out. But is this
the year the league catches up to the Chiefs. And again,
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it's just one game. It was in Brazil. Is against
a on fire? Just to Herbert, the answer is yes,
but it's just one game.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I want to say one other thing and give it
tip of the captain Jason Stewart since he was so
kind with this out yesterday. He pro he provided the
angle that if the Bears were to win last night.
What a win it would be for Ben Johnson because
the Lions lost looked a bit dysfunctional, out of place,
and then the Bears would go and win and have
this great victory. To his point about Brian dabole the
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Giants losing scoring six points in having Daniel Jones lead
the Colts with two hundred and seventy yards two rushing touchdowns.
Gredit was against the Dolphins. I don't know who won
the weekend, but to Jason's point, Brian Dable lost the
weekend boom.
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Speaker 1 (18:08):
It that I got the show Fox Sports Radio. Hey Meyer,
you know it's interesting. It wasn't a huge college football
weekend with one notable game Oklahoma beaten Michigan. Michigan with
the freshman quarterback who looked very much like a freshman.
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But we can almost do the Sunday Morning Quarterback in
the afternoon for college football because there was so much NFL,
there was no time to get to college.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Right, Yeah, that could be happening on most weekends, but
I was all about Oasis. On Saturday, I watched the
Buckeyes roll Grambling State, and that was about my intake
of college football. We've got our Jay Young coming up.
I've got Oklahoma Michigan on my DVR that I have
yet to dive into, so I will be watching that
problem tonight or tomorrow. So it was. It was kind
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of a whole hume weekend in college football outside of
that game. So I don't feel like I missed a
whole ton outside of the Syhawk Trophy as we talked
about earlier.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, look, I also think that the Oklahoma State lost
to Oregon is actually a great jumping off point. Okay, Now,
there are unique things within this story that have to
be put out for context. Right, Mike Gundy had a
backup quarterback making his first start. Right, That's what a
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backup quarterback sometimes looks like. Also, you know, sixty new players,
twenty or so practices, and it's a game. Honestly, it
was scheduled in twenty eighteen. In twenty eighteen, Oregon was
seven and six Oklahoma State was one of the elite
teams in the Big twelve. Oh my, had that again.
That's like we were always released these they're going to
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play in twenty twenty five. You're like, dude, I can't
even think about that now it came to be. But
I actually think this is a perfect discussion point for
college football. There are reasons which Mike Gundy's Cowboys the
last year and a half have not been good enough,
but we would all concur that he has been a
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great coach at Oklahoma State. Right they only had one
sub five hundred season up until last year, and that
was his first year when he ran off like eight
guys right before the year. So how do you go
from the longest tenured coach in your league, the most
successful coach in the history of your school, to all
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of a sudden now you're just getting pummeled by organ
And I don't doubt that part of the talking about
how much money Oregon is spending was he was watching
film and he's like, that team looks like they're worth
a lot more than ours. It was epic four shadow.
He knew on some level what was coming. But there's
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also the bigger point, which is like Oklahoma State has
caught in that no man's land of Now they're finally
spending some money, but it's not really what they're about,
and they're unable to compete at the top. And unless
unless you had donors that won the lottery or are
just they've just decided to give, give, give, give give.
Here's a program that had been built up from relatively
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nothing to outside of Oklahoma in the Big twelve, they
were the second most probably successful program in the last
fifteen years consistently. And now you've got Iowa States done
a great job of sustaining. They're up there, Kansas State's
up and down or whatever. You don't go from being
a great coach to all of a sudden, You can't
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coach a lick unless something dramatic has happened in the sport.
And something dramatic has happened in the sport right whereas
Texas Tech is now kind of where Oklahoma State used
to be, because now they have a couple of gigantic
donors who just want to pay to win. Back when
Oklahoma State made their rise, it was they had a
donor in Boone Pickens. Now it was all about facilities
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and atmosphere, and they built that up just really interesting.
And I think we get so much caught in the
weeds over Gundy because he's been a big personality and
because he changed his contract, and because you know, Dan
Lanning wanted to make what he said into some sort
of offense when there was nothing offensive about what he said.
I think the bigger thing is, you don't go from
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being a great coach to being a guy who can't
win a game unless something dramatic has happened. And the
most dramatic thing is that the sport has changed.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
And he's got a whole new coaching staff basically, and
like sixty new players, Like, yeah, everybody's new, so they
haven't had a chance of jail.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Well, it's not just that. I also think that when
you're building a roster, Sam and if you're adding a
piece like man, we just need a four to three
rush end, you can go out in the market and
spend and evaluate and get a four through rush end.
When you have a whole new coaching staff, you still
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don't necessarily know how you want to play, what you
want to do, who you want to be. You can't
establish an identity because you're just trying to recruit the
best possible guys out there, but they may not fit
a specific scheme. Then you get the guys and you're like, well,
I think we're gonna try and do this scheme, and like, well,
maybe they're not good enough or it don't fit it
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or whatever. You're not it's too much new and it's
an abject disaster. And they're also in the middle and
spending at that maybe bottom end spending. I don't know,
so I mean, I listen, I can tell you that
our work right now, we have a lot more time.
But first games coming fast is you know, I didn't
necessarily recruit to a style of offense. I recruited we
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had to get better defense and rebounding and toughness, and
we want a great character. That's what recruits you. We're
gonna try and figure out offense, but it's gonna take
some time. And I think when you when you don't
recruit to, we don't have specific ideas of what you want.
You don't know what you have. And by the time
you figure out what you have, you just played Oregon
and they ran rub your nose in it, all right.
(24:15):
He's the host of the number one show podcast on
Fox Sports covers college football like no other. He's r
J Young, Fox Sports college football analyst r J. We
give you grief when the Sooners don't perform. They did perform,
as Dan Byer said, Hey dude, I had Oasis, I
had my High State buck eyes, I got into my DVR,
I didn't watch. What did people miss about Oklahoma's performance
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against Michigan.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Little fellow named John Mattier who really put that team
on his back, put up three hundred and forty yards
of offense and scored a rushing touchdowns, passing touchdowns. He
had a Heisman game on national television at night. So
if you missed the game, that's what you need to know.
Quarterback at Oklahoma's for real?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Okay, so owe you. They go to Temple, but then
the gauntlet sort of begins right stuf State. But Auburn,
who looked really good against Baylor, Texas, South Carolina, Ole, Miss, Tennessee, Bama.
Those last six to seven games are crazy for OHU.
What's real?
Speaker 4 (25:14):
What's a ranked opponent?
Speaker 1 (25:15):
What's out of there that last night? What's reasonable? Reasonable?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Ten and two is reasonable? Ten and two is reasonable? Right?
If LSU is as good as we think they are,
and we're gonna find out for sure something when they
played Florida, and I think that game is going to
be pretty good. Florida. You know, they lady against Alorida,
but is still a good football team. And then we'll
really talking about Texas and what they could do against them.
But I think you can win that game against Alabama,
then you win that game at South Carolina, then you
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win that game at against Ole Miss Tennessee on down
the line. I don't think that there's a whole lot
of separation in this league like there had been in
years past, and we're gonna again get to see that
with Tennessee and Georgia later this weekend. So I think
ten and two is reasonable.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Okay, Sihawk, like, what is it? Have we figured out
why Iowa just can't find any sort of quarterback kids.
I get it, you got wide receiver issues, but it's
crazy that this is It feels like year ten of
Iowa not being able to complete a foward pass.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
It does feel like that because it's kind of been
like that even when they had Cade McNamara last year
and the offense seemed to have a little bit more
life to it. It wasn't great. I take it back
to when rich Stanfield was playing quarterback at Iowa and
he threw for a bunch of touchdowns. They want a
Big tinch or share it a Big ten championship, and
all Kirk Farrance could say is we threw too many interceptions.
We got to take care of the ball. I'm going
that's the price of throwing the football down the field.
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And you want to be able to win games like
the one you're playing against Iowa State, you don't need
to do that. But that's not how Kurt Farance got
two hundred and five wins. That's not how he's going
to become the Big Tins winning a coach. But I
think it's a little bit of a dubious honor in
that if you look at the top five in that league,
he's the only one that hadn't played for a national championship.
And it's because he continues to have that offense just
be stale. If youse all on Kyle Whittingham can get
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with the program, I think so can Iowa. They just
refused to.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
South Florida beats Boise and we're like, Wow, maybe Boyce
is not as good. Then they go and beat Florida. Now,
I think the story is probably more about Billy Napier
and Florida than it is about South Florida. Which do
you think is the bigger story? That South Florida's got
a chance at Miami this weekend. If they do, that's
a team that's going to make the playoff? Or is
it what's going on with Billionapier in Florida.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
If I'm producing the show, I got a hard time
picking between the two because I could talk about what
Florida was supposed to be with DJ Lagway behind center
and how they've been undefeated when he started to finish
the game until South Florida beat them. But I go
the other way with South Florida having beaten up Boise
State and now Florida the only team in the entire
country with ranked wins to start the season. I think
that this Miami South Florida thing is one that we
(27:47):
got to watch really closely, and Florida's going to try
to get back on. But are we really going to
make South Florid into the kind of team that can
make the college football Playoff? If they beat Miami, We'll
have to That's the story there yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
If you can do it three three weeks, it's not
just beating three ranked teams, it's three weeks in a row.
Because the again the argument against some of these non
Power five schools is like, yeah, but in the real conferences,
you have to do it every week. Like we're talking
about with with Oklahoma. What do you think happened? Right?
Like Mike Gundy kin coach Okahoma State was a really
(28:19):
good to all program and now they're not competitive? Kim
not competitive? How'd this happen?
Speaker 4 (28:27):
A number of things. One, you've got Mike Gundy runs
that place. I mean he's seeing himself through the athletic director,
changed twice and runoff at least one president, so it's
very much him or or nothing else. He also changes
out the coordinators, like he changes out of sheets, so
you don't have an opportunity to really get an understanding
what they're doing, even if you want to keep the
same offense, changed it off into coordinator like he has
(28:48):
you run off Casey Dunn, who was a really great
assistant for him. You're bringing a guy like Brian Nardo
last year and it didn't really work out, and you
are not competitive when it comes to go getting players
and that's what he decided to hang you've had on
last week and I got him beat because Dan Lanning
took that personally, so did the players they played against.
And yeah, every reason to run it up against them.
I think we might be seeing the worst run for
(29:09):
my Gundy that we've seen in quite some time when
you go back to three to nine last year. But
I don't think this is good enough to get him
up out of that seat over there. I think he's
gonna get time to figure it out because they don't
know what else they're going to do. Otherwise he goes
and he gets a quarterback to get play.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah, I don't think it's they don't. I think they
can't afford it. It's fifteen to get rid of him.
It's like twenty five to get rid of the rest
of the staff. Plus you'd have to have a whole
new team, Plus you have to have a whole new
staff that you don't They don't have the money, they
don't have that money. It just doesn't work. So it's
amazing though, right you go from the second best program
(29:42):
in the Big twelve to can't compete like non competitive,
non competent. They look like Tennessee Tech against Oregon.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
The margins that you very well know, Doug are very
very thin now. I mean, you went from having a
Dope Walk Award winner and a guy we thought was
going to compete for the Heisman Ally Gordon to absolutely nothing.
And you missed that one time. You missed that one time.
You have that three and nine season, You go winless
in a league that you're supposed to to suppose the
lord over, and you come back with a quarterback that
I thought it was pretty good in haws Hanny and
(30:12):
you know, basically get hit by the injury bug there.
And then you go on the road and you already
set the table for your kids getting beat by saying,
you know, we can't afford better players. Well, how does
your locker room feel about that? We all think we're
pretty damn good. We played Oklahoma State. That's not the
message that they're getting. And what we're getting more and
more of is the finances aren't there. The finances aren't there, Well,
the football ain't there. If the football was there, you
wouldn't have a problem. I don't know that it's about
(30:32):
getting the money to go fire him. I think it's
Mike Gandhi changing up how he wants to coach this team,
and you know as well as I do, that ain't
gonna change. We were much sooner the light seed sun
not come up than Mike Gundy change the way he
goes about coaching his football.
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Speaker 4 (30:53):
Thanks Doug, I appreciate you.
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Let's get to the press with Dan Byer.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
The Press.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Anybody got Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
We started with the news that's broken within the last
minutes or so, the NFL announcing that Jalen Carter was
given a one game suspension for spitting on Dak Prescott,
but gets credit for time served. I believe this is
something that we talked about on Friday that he thought
could happen. Carter gets a one game ban, but the
NFL says because he was suspended so early in that
(32:20):
game against the Cowboys, that's gonna be the punishment. He
will also lose a game check fifty and twenty two dollars,
but Carter will be available to play for the Eagles
against the Chiefs coming up this Sunday.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
There is somebody on radio who said, probably the best
thing that happened to the Eagles was he was suspended
before the game ever started, so it feels like double jeopardy.
He got suspended by that was me. I just every
once in a while, get something right. That's all that was.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Like.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Who It's interesting that the NFL would look at it
that way because so if you spin on someone now
at the end of the first quarter, you're gonna miss
and get ejected. You get three quarters, and then they're
gonna say you got to sit out, like a targeting
rules sort of thing. I think that this is it's
(33:11):
just a weird scenario, Doug where you're saying you're gonna
get a suspension, which is why they're wording it this
way that if you spit on someone, you're gonna get banned.
But at what point in the game does it matter?
Because he was ejected at that point with the penalty,
it makes it easy, I think, to say, oh, that's
(33:32):
a one game suspension, but it's not as easy if
it happens, say in the second quarter. How do you
look at it at that point? If you miss two
thirds of a game, is that good enough? I find
that aspect pretty interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
That's a great question. I can't tell you what it
would look like in the first quarter.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I can tell you that. Again, it's very specific because
there had not been a play from scrimmage where the
ball was snapped right, was in before the first play?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yes? Correct?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Okay, And I also think there are there's one mitigating
circumstance which won't be brought up, which is Dak did
spit first, right, We did catch Dak spitting and he
did spin on the ground. Apparently Dak's a big spitter,
So there is that, Like, yeah, I mean they kind
of caught the second guy. I don't know. Yeah, he's
(34:26):
spended for a game.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yeah, I missed the game and I missed the game,
and he's gonna be there for a big one against
the Chiefs. Sure, Chiefs fans probably feel like I do, Like, hey, wait,
a second year, the ultimate punishment would have been another
game ban. But then I think you get pushed back
from the NFLPA totally. And then so this way, the
NFLPA accepts it, he's accepted his band, move on and
and and so forth.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
It's an expensive spit.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Fifty Yes, yes it is. Doug Odds are out Sports
Betting Dot A G says that Giants quarterback Russell Wilson
is the right now favorite to be benched first of
all thirty two quarterbacks in the NFL. His odds prior
to Week one were seven to one. Now they're at
one to two. Joe Flacco and Spencer Rattler right now
(35:12):
at four to one. Caleb Williams sitting there at nine
to one.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Spencer Rattler's at nine to one. No, wait, give me
the odds again.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Joe Flacco four to one, Spencer Ratler four to one,
Caleb Williams nine to one.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
To get benched.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yes, Russell Wilson is one to two, two and.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Down on the list. I guess they're not gonna because
say how much it we.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
TWOA is ten to one, But I don't think that.
I think Caleb Williams being on this list is very
intriguing after how last night played out. Also, it allows
us to read more into the Tyson Beagent contract that
they gave him during this preseason, the two year deal
that they did. Beagent was emotional in that ty Dunn
(36:10):
piece that he wrote about the Bears, glowing remarks about
Tyson Beagent and considering what happened last night. Crazy to
think that one year and one game in that Caleb
Williams right now has the fourth shortest odds of being
benched this season. Crazy he has a four.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Well, I mean it's he's the number one pick. Well,
are you saying that you think those are so Steve
Bee short odds meaning it's it's a pretty big number.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, So only Wilson, Flaccow, and Rattler, according to Las
Vegas and Sports Betting.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Dot not benching Caleb Williams. They're just not like, that's
a dumb bet. That's an emotional bet because he's sech
a big name. Now if we get into next year,
sure it's his first year with a new with a
new coach, it's his first game, that would be that'd
be a dumb bet. The Russell Wilson is actually, you're
going to make some money on that because it's gonna
(37:08):
happen eventually. You just don't know if it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
First forty nine Ers release kicker Jake Moody today. He
was the team's third round pick in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
He missed. Was it a chip shot or was it
an extra? It was a really short field goal.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Right, twenty seven yarder against the Seahawks had a thirty
six yarder blocked last year, made seventy percent of his
free throws free throws field goals, which was great at
the line. I have I have a Josh Giddy story
that we may not get to, but go go, Josh,
Kitty Go go. Four year deal with the balls one hundred
million dollars. Reports It said that he wanted thirty million
dollars a year, ends up settling, gets twenty five to
(37:46):
stay in the Windy City.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
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Let's see what he's got in store for us.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Well, Tuesday, this is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Monday's can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we
didn't get.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
To on Monday.
Speaker 2 (01:33):
This is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Okay, here's the basic premise of it. Okay, is what
did we all talk about on Monday? Well, because the
Bills had that great comeback win over the Ravens, talked
about that. I'd say Aaron Rodgers and the Jets because
we talk about the Jets way too much. But Aaron
(01:59):
Rodgers also the fire saying it's good to beat anybody,
and everybody associated the Jets, I think a little bit
of the Packers because they had the Micah Parsons trade
and everybody. It was the Lions new coordinators, what would
that look like? I kind of feel like that was
sort of it. Russell Wilson being bad, you know, and
(02:19):
Washington beating him. I feel like those are the main topics.
Dan Byer, let me just I'm asking you not because
I know it's Jay Stewing Ben in the segment, but
you did all the updates the show on Sunday show
on Monday. Did I nail what we basically talked about
yesterday in regards to Sunday?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yes, yes, I think so.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Okay, So Tuesday morning quarterback is what else? What do
we miss?
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Is that? Right? Jay?
Speaker 1 (02:45):
Su Is that the idea of it?
Speaker 5 (02:46):
That's what I thought about, And I'm trying to think
of where I got the concept. And I went back
into an exchange I had with Dan Byer. So again,
just like, don't call it a throwback Thursday, this is
a Dan Bier conceived.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
I just this and I've been talking about but I've
been talking about this all summer. Is what are the
what are the teams that we should talk about? We're
not talking about. So it's actually all of us coming together.
Speaker 6 (03:12):
Yeah, definitely, Yeah, collaboration, it's definitely. I had nothing to
do with this at all. I had no idea it
was coming. I had no idea they thought it.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Okay, that's what they call me. You got one, buy
or go.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
I think that Pete Carroll and the Raiders victory in
New England was significant. Number one I think that when
we look at the AFC West, we think it's a
three team race, and it probably is. But I do
think that the Raiders are going to give people a
problem and they will compete. It's what Pete Carroll teams do.
(03:48):
They will change over a lot of faces. They did
it in Seattle. That's the way it worked for the Seahawks.
And I don't know if Pete Carroll's going to reach
the heights that he did with the Raiders that he
did in Seattle, but Week one was a really, really
good step to go on the road. You just talked
with John Middlecoff. Middlecoff didn't love how Drake May looked
in that game. I thought Drake May looked fine in
(04:09):
the first half and I thought he didn't look good
in the second half, and I think that was due
in Part two. Also, what the Raiders were doing. Ashton
Genty didn't go off, but he gave them a physical
presence running the football, and when Gino Smith is throwing
for three hundred and sixty yards in the game, that's
a pretty good thing. So what the Raiders did. There
are a lot of other high profile Marquee games, but
(04:32):
I think when we looked at the slate. We looked
at this as two non playoff teams in the AFC,
and honestly, I don't think that's the case with either
of them. I think better days are head for New
England and for the Raiders to go to New England
and win that game like they did. I thought it
was a big, big step in the Pete Carroll era
for the Silver and Black.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
I have one, didn't she Fier? Did you ever used
to read the Sporting News?
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yes? Actually I would get it from my neighbor. He
would when he was done with it, he would send
it over and maybe they'd be a couple of weeks.
But yes, the Sporting News was a great publication.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Right, so they had there was a there was a
guy who's the editorial guy that the fly right and
the fly had a specific way of talking, and one
of them was didn't you used to be right? Didn't
you used to be c J? Stroud? Like two years ago? CJ.
Stroud was a dude as a rookie, an absolute dude
(05:31):
as a rookie. They have Nick Chubbs, so you have
at least somebody who can run the football. And I
get that the Rams have rebuilt their defense in very
short order. But I mean, there just wasn't a lot
to them through a pick no touchdowns nineteen twenty seven,
I just didn't you used to be c J. Strout.
(05:51):
What happened to the Texans two years ago? They were
a team. Everybody's like, man, they're on the rise, young
smart coach, young smart, talented quarterback, and now they just
just a team. I thought that was a big one.
Speaker 6 (06:06):
I'd like to know too, what's up with CJ. Stroud
because I picked him as my MVP.
Speaker 5 (06:11):
Oh, trust me, I got a tweet here Corvette Guy
twenty four, Sam picked CJ.
Speaker 7 (06:17):
Stroud as at his MVP and in an awful week.
Speaker 6 (06:20):
Well, I was trying to just pick someone outside the
box a little bit, and so far it's not doing well.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Have we got in Corvette Guy twenty four verified? Yet?
I feel like we use him so much?
Speaker 7 (06:29):
You should be verified?
Speaker 1 (06:30):
Yes, ju, who's your team?
Speaker 5 (06:32):
Corvette Guy twenty five is a little funnier? And speaking
of the Sporting News.
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Can I say something about the Texans quick?
Speaker 7 (06:40):
Just you're allowed to okay your segment. You conceive that.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
They are a defensive team, holding the Rams to fourteen
points is something now to Doug's point of what's happened
to CJ. Stroud. Their offensive line is not good. They
also traded Lermie Tounzel away when they weren't good last
year to the Commanders. So there are issues on their
offensive line that will probably continue throughout this season as
(07:08):
well like it did last year. So it is going
to be interesting to see on how they navigate and
what should be a winnable division for them. But in
games like that against the Rams, where again their defense
did enough and they did have a chance at the
end and maybe go ahead, but a Keith fumble hurt him.
You can't just kick three field goals in that contest.
(07:28):
And yeah, for all of us that were crowning CJ.
Stroud after his rookie year, yeah, I think that there's
some remorse from that, But I don't think that he's
gotten a lot of help up front fair enough.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
I get a quick a Sporting News story so about
I don't know, five years ago or something. I sent
out a tweet that said, up, hey, I get all
my news, all my sports news from the Sporting News
signed nineteen ninety nine, and I got a very bitter
(08:00):
tweet from Mike de Corsi. I think he's like still
getting paid by Sporting News, like four years after the fact. Yeah,
and so Mike de Corsi, it wasn't personal. I thought
it was a pretty funny joke, humor wiping up. Okay,
So I got this. So this kind of falls into
(08:22):
the category two. As I was I was thinking about
this segment that Dan came up with, and I'm like,
it's not necessarily that we didn't mention this yesterday, because
we did because it was news. Brian day Ball announced
that he's going with Russell Wilson in week two. But
we just didn't drill down on this. And I want
to ask a question at the end of this, and
I really want to know your answer, Brian Dayball. I'm
(08:45):
gonna I'm gonna give you the names of the of
people you may know or you not may not know.
Russell Wilson, Daniel Jones, Tyrod Taylor, Tommy DeVito, Drew Locke,
Hair Campbell. Those are the six quarterbacks that Brian day
(09:06):
Ball has coached in the last two and a half years.
Six quarterbacks. Daniel Jones went on to the Colts and
had one of the most surprising weeks any players ever had.
I remember, in the kind of like wake of Dayball
leaving the Bills, there was that narrative that, Ooh, I
(09:29):
don't think Josh Allen's the same guy without Dayball. Maybe
he needed Dayball. Well, he went on to win an
MVP and starred on Sunday Night. So I ask this group,
this collection here, those six quarterbacks I named are were
complete dog crap under day Ball, and the two guys
(09:51):
that he has gone without have thrived. Isn't it a
date Brian Dayball problem in New York and not necessarily
a Russell Wilson or Daniel Jones problem.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Well, I think there's there's this they haven't had this year.
The offensive line is not good enough last year. Obviously
it's not just been lined, but no running game. The
you're you're acting though, is if Dave Ball doesn't correct,
creditors shouldn't get credit for Josh Allen's metaphors when I
(10:27):
got you can only whisper so much, right, and we
consider here and go like, Russell Wilson's not the problem,
but I mean the Sean Payton literally said I want
anybody I want a rookie more than I want Russell Wilson. Right.
This is Russell Wilson's fourth team in five years, is
that right? Fourteenth Seahawks, Broncos, Steelers, Giants in five years,
(10:51):
fourth and five years. So I hear you, but it's
not like those guys. Daniel Jones had one good game
and he's got a really good running back and their
defense dominated. Because to a tongue of ilis stinks.
Speaker 7 (11:06):
So Daniel Jones had say one Barkley two years ago.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
I know when he had Sake one Barkley, he was
Danie Jones pretty good. That's when he got his extension.
When he didn't have Sake one Barkley wasn't any good.
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Correct, That's the domino, though. The domino is the Daniel
Jones extension. They had that decision to make and what
did they do and then everything fell because of that decision?
Speaker 5 (11:34):
Yes, but I think a lot of that decision was
Daniel Jones is with the quarterback whisperer, so we feel
confident in giving him an extension.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
M hmm, okay, I got one. Does anybody you get
any credit for beating the Carolina Panthers. It's almost as
if it didn't happen, Like Travis atn Rushes for one
hundred and forty three eight point nine yards of care.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
It's seventy one of them on one carry.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, I mean whatever, they won the game, right, and
this is a this is a I don't know if
it's a make or break here, but it feels that
way with Trevor Lawrence, she got a new you know,
your new stuff. You're trying to figure it out. And
like again, I don't think Carolina is any good case
in point right. Remember shad Or Sanders lit up there
their twos and threes and we're like, easy, it's Carolina Panthers.
(12:23):
So I have no idea on Carolina. But isn't it amazing?
Like it's literally a game we give you no credit for.
They might as well be prayerview A and M. That's
what they might have did.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
They were caught in a weather delay as well, so
like their game ended up crossing over into the late window,
and so then those other big games are going on
while that one was wrapping up. It was never necessarily close.
Definitely a step back for the for the Carolina Panthers
considering what had transpired last year. Unlike the Giants, who
we knew were bad. We at least thought the Panthers
(12:54):
were trending upwards and they and they weren't.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Now, just to let the listener behind the curtain a
little bit, Sam and I had a conversation off air
that went something like this. You know, I wasn't in yesterday,
so I don't know what you guys talked about. And
I said, the cool thing is that I was here
so you could run ideas by me. And I'll tell
you what we didn't talk about. And then I'm like, Sam, yes,
last week you said the number one story for you
(13:22):
was the Rams coming into the year, and Doug had
a problem with that. Remember, And I'm like, we didn't
talk about the Rams yesterday. Man, you could you could
validate your your story. You could talk about so as
Sam does he zigged when isaact And Sam, what did
you come up with?
Speaker 6 (13:39):
Well, we'll stay in the NFC West. I mean, they
won the game, but there are certainly questions swirling around
the San Francisco forty nine ers.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Hmm.
Speaker 1 (13:47):
I liked that Dan.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
I was here when they were wrapping up the game
in Seattle, and you you would agree that although the
Niners won, they had it. There's a lot of question
marks around them. There'sues we're not good. Kittle is out,
Rock Purty we found out is dinged up, and they
still don't have Brandon Nayuk. It looks like Ricky Pearsall
(14:10):
is gonna step in there and maybe fill some of
that void and catching balls. But even with Christian McCaffrey back,
you know, rock Perty was not efficient.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
He was three two picks. You're wondering if he's the
guy could have been three good have been three. I
don't mind. I don't mind the interceptions as much as
some people. But I think Sam is on to something here,
and I feel like, if I say it, it sounds like
it's sour grapes because their arrival of the Seahawks and
they just beat them. But they do play so physical,
(14:40):
like there is a physical play to them. And what
has been the problem with the forty nine ers in
years past, It's always been injuries. And so we say
this in a way of well, if they can stay healthy,
I think it's darn near impossible for them to stay healthy,
especially with the I mean George Kittle that I make
it through the first game of the year, I mean
(15:01):
may come back and maybe find it.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
Christian McCaffrey's going to be hurt right now, he's playing hurt,
He's going to be injurting.
Speaker 3 (15:07):
Yes, everybody gets hurt on that team, and they're older
sans pearcell In brock Purdy. But the guys that we expect,
like all the forty nine ers are turning around, are
two years older than they were from the last time
we saw them playing great football. And I just think,
like in week one of this is kind of already
happening with Kittle, When does it happen to CMC? When
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does it happen to Trent Williams? When does it? Because
they're older players and it's bound to happen, and with
the way that they play and how they play, I
just think it's inevitable. We don't want to talk about
it now, and you don't want to wish injury on anybody.
I just don't know how sustainable it is.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
Well, I'll do one last team, one last one. And
I feel guilty about not talking about it because we
didn't have a show the next day, But of course
I want to talk about I mean, we can talk
about Justin Herbert how good he looked, But the Chiefs
did not look good. And you know, now you lose
Xavier Worthy on some friendly fire. Your top two wide
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receivers are out. And it's not like they don't have
the Panthers coming up. They got the Eagles coming up right,
like they play a first place Cansay Chiefs on national
TV every week. And yeah, I mean, and the defense
it wasn't like the defense was great. The Chiefs fans
are worried about a hole that should have been called, Like, dude, stop,
(16:33):
you're the Chiefs. You've gotten every call for years. I
just I've been asking this question. You guys are my
witnesses the entire offseason. I still pick the Chiefs because again,
until I'm proven, Until I'm proven otherwise they figured it
out right, So maybe eventually figured out. But is this
the year the league catches up to the Chiefs. And again,
(16:55):
it's just one game. It was in Brazil. Is against
a on fire? Just to Herbert, the answer is yes,
but it's just one game.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I want to say one other thing and give it
tip of the captain Jason Stewart since he was so
kind with this out yesterday. He pro he provided the
angle that if the Bears were to win last night.
What a win it would be for Ben Johnson because
the Lions lost looked a bit dysfunctional, out of place,
and then the Bears would go and win and have
this great victory. To his point about Brian dabole the
(17:26):
Giants losing scoring six points in having Daniel Jones lead
the Colts with two hundred and seventy yards two rushing touchdowns.
Gredit was against the Dolphins. I don't know who won
the weekend, but to Jason's point, Brian Dable lost the
weekend boom.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
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Speaker 1 (18:08):
It that I got the show Fox Sports Radio. Hey Meyer,
you know it's interesting. It wasn't a huge college football
weekend with one notable game Oklahoma beaten Michigan. Michigan with
the freshman quarterback who looked very much like a freshman.
(18:30):
But we can almost do the Sunday Morning Quarterback in
the afternoon for college football because there was so much NFL,
there was no time to get to college.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
Right, Yeah, that could be happening on most weekends, but
I was all about Oasis. On Saturday, I watched the
Buckeyes roll Grambling State, and that was about my intake
of college football. We've got our Jay Young coming up.
I've got Oklahoma Michigan on my DVR that I have
yet to dive into, so I will be watching that
problem tonight or tomorrow. So it was. It was kind
(19:03):
of a whole hume weekend in college football outside of
that game. So I don't feel like I missed a
whole ton outside of the Syhawk Trophy as we talked
about earlier.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Well, look, I also think that the Oklahoma State lost
to Oregon is actually a great jumping off point. Okay, Now,
there are unique things within this story that have to
be put out for context. Right, Mike Gundy had a
backup quarterback making his first start. Right, That's what a
(19:34):
backup quarterback sometimes looks like. Also, you know, sixty new players,
twenty or so practices, and it's a game. Honestly, it
was scheduled in twenty eighteen. In twenty eighteen, Oregon was
seven and six Oklahoma State was one of the elite
teams in the Big twelve. Oh my, had that again.
That's like we were always released these they're going to
(19:57):
play in twenty twenty five. You're like, dude, I can't
even think about that now it came to be. But
I actually think this is a perfect discussion point for
college football. There are reasons which Mike Gundy's Cowboys the
last year and a half have not been good enough,
but we would all concur that he has been a
(20:19):
great coach at Oklahoma State. Right they only had one
sub five hundred season up until last year, and that
was his first year when he ran off like eight
guys right before the year. So how do you go
from the longest tenured coach in your league, the most
successful coach in the history of your school, to all
(20:42):
of a sudden now you're just getting pummeled by organ
And I don't doubt that part of the talking about
how much money Oregon is spending was he was watching
film and he's like, that team looks like they're worth
a lot more than ours. It was epic four shadow.
He knew on some level what was coming. But there's
(21:03):
also the bigger point, which is like Oklahoma State has
caught in that no man's land of Now they're finally
spending some money, but it's not really what they're about,
and they're unable to compete at the top. And unless
unless you had donors that won the lottery or are
just they've just decided to give, give, give, give give.
Here's a program that had been built up from relatively
(21:26):
nothing to outside of Oklahoma in the Big twelve, they
were the second most probably successful program in the last
fifteen years consistently. And now you've got Iowa States done
a great job of sustaining. They're up there, Kansas State's
up and down or whatever. You don't go from being
a great coach to all of a sudden, You can't
(21:47):
coach a lick unless something dramatic has happened in the sport.
And something dramatic has happened in the sport right whereas
Texas Tech is now kind of where Oklahoma State used
to be, because now they have a couple of gigantic
donors who just want to pay to win. Back when
Oklahoma State made their rise, it was they had a
donor in Boone Pickens. Now it was all about facilities
(22:09):
and atmosphere, and they built that up just really interesting.
And I think we get so much caught in the
weeds over Gundy because he's been a big personality and
because he changed his contract, and because you know, Dan
Lanning wanted to make what he said into some sort
of offense when there was nothing offensive about what he said.
I think the bigger thing is, you don't go from
(22:30):
being a great coach to being a guy who can't
win a game unless something dramatic has happened. And the
most dramatic thing is that the sport has changed.
Speaker 6 (22:39):
And he's got a whole new coaching staff basically, and
like sixty new players, Like, yeah, everybody's new, so they
haven't had a chance of jail.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
Well, it's not just that. I also think that when
you're building a roster, Sam and if you're adding a
piece like man, we just need a four to three
rush end, you can go out in the market and
spend and evaluate and get a four through rush end.
When you have a whole new coaching staff, you still
(23:09):
don't necessarily know how you want to play, what you
want to do, who you want to be. You can't
establish an identity because you're just trying to recruit the
best possible guys out there, but they may not fit
a specific scheme. Then you get the guys and you're like, well,
I think we're gonna try and do this scheme, and like, well,
maybe they're not good enough or it don't fit it
(23:31):
or whatever. You're not it's too much new and it's
an abject disaster. And they're also in the middle and
spending at that maybe bottom end spending. I don't know,
so I mean, I listen, I can tell you that
our work right now, we have a lot more time.
But first games coming fast is you know, I didn't
necessarily recruit to a style of offense. I recruited we
(23:52):
had to get better defense and rebounding and toughness, and
we want a great character. That's what recruits you. We're
gonna try and figure out offense, but it's gonna take
some time. And I think when you when you don't
recruit to, we don't have specific ideas of what you want.
You don't know what you have. And by the time
you figure out what you have, you just played Oregon
and they ran rub your nose in it, all right.
(24:15):
He's the host of the number one show podcast on
Fox Sports covers college football like no other. He's r
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give you grief when the Sooners don't perform. They did perform,
as Dan Byer said, Hey dude, I had Oasis, I
had my High State buck eyes, I got into my DVR,
I didn't watch. What did people miss about Oklahoma's performance
(24:35):
against Michigan.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Little fellow named John Mattier who really put that team
on his back, put up three hundred and forty yards
of offense and scored a rushing touchdowns, passing touchdowns. He
had a Heisman game on national television at night. So
if you missed the game, that's what you need to know.
Quarterback at Oklahoma's for real?
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Okay, so owe you. They go to Temple, but then
the gauntlet sort of begins right stuf State. But Auburn,
who looked really good against Baylor, Texas, South Carolina, Ole, Miss, Tennessee, Bama.
Those last six to seven games are crazy for OHU.
What's real?
Speaker 4 (25:14):
What's a ranked opponent?
Speaker 1 (25:15):
What's out of there that last night? What's reasonable? Reasonable?
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Ten and two is reasonable? Ten and two is reasonable? Right?
If LSU is as good as we think they are,
and we're gonna find out for sure something when they
played Florida, and I think that game is going to
be pretty good. Florida. You know, they lady against Alorida,
but is still a good football team. And then we'll
really talking about Texas and what they could do against them.
But I think you can win that game against Alabama,
then you win that game at South Carolina, then you
(25:41):
win that game at against Ole Miss Tennessee on down
the line. I don't think that there's a whole lot
of separation in this league like there had been in
years past, and we're gonna again get to see that
with Tennessee and Georgia later this weekend. So I think
ten and two is reasonable.
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Okay, Sihawk, like, what is it? Have we figured out
why Iowa just can't find any sort of quarterback kids.
I get it, you got wide receiver issues, but it's
crazy that this is It feels like year ten of
Iowa not being able to complete a foward pass.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
It does feel like that because it's kind of been
like that even when they had Cade McNamara last year
and the offense seemed to have a little bit more
life to it. It wasn't great. I take it back
to when rich Stanfield was playing quarterback at Iowa and
he threw for a bunch of touchdowns. They want a
Big tinch or share it a Big ten championship, and
all Kirk Farrance could say is we threw too many interceptions.
We got to take care of the ball. I'm going
that's the price of throwing the football down the field.
(26:38):
And you want to be able to win games like
the one you're playing against Iowa State, you don't need
to do that. But that's not how Kurt Farance got
two hundred and five wins. That's not how he's going
to become the Big Tins winning a coach. But I
think it's a little bit of a dubious honor in
that if you look at the top five in that league,
he's the only one that hadn't played for a national championship.
And it's because he continues to have that offense just
be stale. If youse all on Kyle Whittingham can get
(26:59):
with the program, I think so can Iowa. They just
refused to.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
South Florida beats Boise and we're like, Wow, maybe Boyce
is not as good. Then they go and beat Florida. Now,
I think the story is probably more about Billy Napier
and Florida than it is about South Florida. Which do
you think is the bigger story? That South Florida's got
a chance at Miami this weekend. If they do, that's
a team that's going to make the playoff? Or is
it what's going on with Billionapier in Florida.
Speaker 4 (27:26):
If I'm producing the show, I got a hard time
picking between the two because I could talk about what
Florida was supposed to be with DJ Lagway behind center
and how they've been undefeated when he started to finish
the game until South Florida beat them. But I go
the other way with South Florida having beaten up Boise
State and now Florida the only team in the entire
country with ranked wins to start the season. I think
that this Miami South Florida thing is one that we
(27:47):
got to watch really closely, and Florida's going to try
to get back on. But are we really going to
make South Florid into the kind of team that can
make the college football Playoff? If they beat Miami, We'll
have to That's the story there yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:58):
If you can do it three three weeks, it's not
just beating three ranked teams, it's three weeks in a row.
Because the again the argument against some of these non
Power five schools is like, yeah, but in the real conferences,
you have to do it every week. Like we're talking
about with with Oklahoma. What do you think happened? Right?
Like Mike Gundy kin coach Okahoma State was a really
(28:19):
good to all program and now they're not competitive? Kim
not competitive? How'd this happen?
Speaker 4 (28:27):
A number of things. One, you've got Mike Gundy runs
that place. I mean he's seeing himself through the athletic director,
changed twice and runoff at least one president, so it's
very much him or or nothing else. He also changes
out the coordinators, like he changes out of sheets, so
you don't have an opportunity to really get an understanding
what they're doing, even if you want to keep the
same offense, changed it off into coordinator like he has
(28:48):
you run off Casey Dunn, who was a really great
assistant for him. You're bringing a guy like Brian Nardo
last year and it didn't really work out, and you
are not competitive when it comes to go getting players
and that's what he decided to hang you've had on
last week and I got him beat because Dan Lanning
took that personally, so did the players they played against.
And yeah, every reason to run it up against them.
I think we might be seeing the worst run for
(29:09):
my Gundy that we've seen in quite some time when
you go back to three to nine last year. But
I don't think this is good enough to get him
up out of that seat over there. I think he's
gonna get time to figure it out because they don't
know what else they're going to do. Otherwise he goes
and he gets a quarterback to get play.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah, I don't think it's they don't. I think they
can't afford it. It's fifteen to get rid of him.
It's like twenty five to get rid of the rest
of the staff. Plus you'd have to have a whole
new team, Plus you have to have a whole new
staff that you don't They don't have the money, they
don't have that money. It just doesn't work. So it's
amazing though, right you go from the second best program
(29:42):
in the Big twelve to can't compete like non competitive,
non competent. They look like Tennessee Tech against Oregon.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
The margins that you very well know, Doug are very
very thin now. I mean, you went from having a
Dope Walk Award winner and a guy we thought was
going to compete for the Heisman Ally Gordon to absolutely nothing.
And you missed that one time. You missed that one time.
You have that three and nine season, You go winless
in a league that you're supposed to to suppose the
lord over, and you come back with a quarterback that
I thought it was pretty good in haws Hanny and
(30:12):
you know, basically get hit by the injury bug there.
And then you go on the road and you already
set the table for your kids getting beat by saying,
you know, we can't afford better players. Well, how does
your locker room feel about that? We all think we're
pretty damn good. We played Oklahoma State. That's not the
message that they're getting. And what we're getting more and
more of is the finances aren't there. The finances aren't there, Well,
the football ain't there. If the football was there, you
wouldn't have a problem. I don't know that it's about
(30:32):
getting the money to go fire him. I think it's
Mike Gandhi changing up how he wants to coach this team,
and you know as well as I do, that ain't
gonna change. We were much sooner the light seed sun
not come up than Mike Gundy change the way he
goes about coaching his football.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
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Speaker 4 (30:53):
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Let's get to the press with Dan Byer.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
The Press.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Anybody got Yeah?
Speaker 3 (31:57):
We started with the news that's broken within the last
minutes or so, the NFL announcing that Jalen Carter was
given a one game suspension for spitting on Dak Prescott,
but gets credit for time served. I believe this is
something that we talked about on Friday that he thought
could happen. Carter gets a one game ban, but the
NFL says because he was suspended so early in that
(32:20):
game against the Cowboys, that's gonna be the punishment. He
will also lose a game check fifty and twenty two dollars,
but Carter will be available to play for the Eagles
against the Chiefs coming up this Sunday.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
There is somebody on radio who said, probably the best
thing that happened to the Eagles was he was suspended
before the game ever started, so it feels like double jeopardy.
He got suspended by that was me. I just every
once in a while, get something right. That's all that was.
Speaker 4 (32:49):
Like.
Speaker 3 (32:49):
Who It's interesting that the NFL would look at it
that way because so if you spin on someone now
at the end of the first quarter, you're gonna miss
and get ejected. You get three quarters, and then they're
gonna say you got to sit out, like a targeting
rules sort of thing. I think that this is it's
(33:11):
just a weird scenario, Doug where you're saying you're gonna
get a suspension, which is why they're wording it this
way that if you spit on someone, you're gonna get banned.
But at what point in the game does it matter?
Because he was ejected at that point with the penalty,
it makes it easy, I think, to say, oh, that's
(33:32):
a one game suspension, but it's not as easy if
it happens, say in the second quarter. How do you
look at it at that point? If you miss two
thirds of a game, is that good enough? I find
that aspect pretty interesting.
Speaker 1 (33:47):
That's a great question. I can't tell you what it
would look like in the first quarter.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
Mm hmm.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
I can tell you that. Again, it's very specific because
there had not been a play from scrimmage where the
ball was snapped right, was in before the first play?
Speaker 3 (34:02):
Yes? Correct?
Speaker 1 (34:03):
Okay, And I also think there are there's one mitigating
circumstance which won't be brought up, which is Dak did
spit first, right, We did catch Dak spitting and he
did spin on the ground. Apparently Dak's a big spitter,
So there is that, Like, yeah, I mean they kind
of caught the second guy. I don't know. Yeah, he's
(34:26):
spended for a game.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yeah, I missed the game and I missed the game,
and he's gonna be there for a big one against
the Chiefs. Sure, Chiefs fans probably feel like I do, Like, hey, wait,
a second year, the ultimate punishment would have been another
game ban. But then I think you get pushed back
from the NFLPA totally. And then so this way, the
NFLPA accepts it, he's accepted his band, move on and
and and so forth.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
It's an expensive spit.
Speaker 3 (34:49):
Fifty Yes, yes it is. Doug Odds are out Sports
Betting Dot A G says that Giants quarterback Russell Wilson
is the right now favorite to be benched first of
all thirty two quarterbacks in the NFL. His odds prior
to Week one were seven to one. Now they're at
one to two. Joe Flacco and Spencer Rattler right now
(35:12):
at four to one. Caleb Williams sitting there at nine
to one.
Speaker 1 (35:25):
Spencer Rattler's at nine to one. No, wait, give me
the odds again.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
Joe Flacco four to one, Spencer Ratler four to one,
Caleb Williams nine to one.
Speaker 1 (35:38):
To get benched.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Yes, Russell Wilson is one to two, two and.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Down on the list. I guess they're not gonna because
say how much it we.
Speaker 3 (35:47):
TWOA is ten to one, But I don't think that.
I think Caleb Williams being on this list is very
intriguing after how last night played out. Also, it allows
us to read more into the Tyson Beagent contract that
they gave him during this preseason, the two year deal
that they did. Beagent was emotional in that ty Dunn
(36:10):
piece that he wrote about the Bears, glowing remarks about
Tyson Beagent and considering what happened last night. Crazy to
think that one year and one game in that Caleb
Williams right now has the fourth shortest odds of being
benched this season. Crazy he has a four.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Well, I mean it's he's the number one pick. Well,
are you saying that you think those are so Steve
Bee short odds meaning it's it's a pretty big number.
Speaker 3 (36:43):
Yeah, So only Wilson, Flaccow, and Rattler, according to Las
Vegas and Sports Betting.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Dot not benching Caleb Williams. They're just not like, that's
a dumb bet. That's an emotional bet because he's sech
a big name. Now if we get into next year,
sure it's his first year with a new with a
new coach, it's his first game, that would be that'd
be a dumb bet. The Russell Wilson is actually, you're
going to make some money on that because it's gonna
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happen eventually. You just don't know if it's gonna happen.
Speaker 3 (37:10):
First forty nine Ers release kicker Jake Moody today. He
was the team's third round pick in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
He missed. Was it a chip shot or was it
an extra? It was a really short field goal.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Right, twenty seven yarder against the Seahawks had a thirty
six yarder blocked last year, made seventy percent of his
free throws free throws field goals, which was great at
the line. I have I have a Josh Giddy story
that we may not get to, but go go, Josh,
Kitty Go go. Four year deal with the balls one hundred
million dollars. Reports It said that he wanted thirty million
dollars a year, ends up settling, gets twenty five to
(37:46):
stay in the Windy City.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
He's giddy over it. And that's the press may get
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