September 16, 2025 • 37 mins
Doug and the crew discuss the leftovers in this week's installment of "Tuesday Morning Quarterback, in the afternoons". Doug welcomes New York Times bestselling author Gary Myers onto the show to talk about his new book out called: “Brady vs. Belichick. The Dynasty Debate,” which is out today. Find it wherever you get your books. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through "The Press".
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minutes or so. Gary has authored a new book, Brady
Versus Belichick, The Dynasty debate, which is out to debt
today wherever you find books. We'll get to all of that.
But this is a Tuesday. It's one of the more
enjoyable segments we do. Guys created this, and I think
this is week two of it. It's called Tuesday Morning
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Quarterback Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
This is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon. Mondays can
be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we didn't get.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
To on Monday.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
This is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I got several things to get to. I want to start, honestly,
a team that we never talk about unless their coaches
kind of butchering the Duvall, Dovall, the dou that's it.
That's the one. If you watch Jacksonville, they have a
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wide receiver who's in his second year named Brian Thomas Junior.
There are at least three, if not four plays where
it was one huge interception. He quits on a ball
over the middle, like literally stopped in his tracks because
he thought it was going to be a hospital ball.
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It was such a thing that Liam Comb was asked
about it after the game, and he sidestepped it smartly
as a coach and said I'll have to look at it.
But for a team that's trying to figure out Trevor Lawrence,
he left Lawrence, hung Lawrence out to dry several times.
It is a massive topic in Jacksonville. And I don't
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know how you throw the guy out there next week
when he wanted no part of getting hit, and that's
actually the job of a wide receiver anyway. I just
there was a Tuesday morning quarterback that we hadn't talked about.
I don't think anybody's talked about in national radio. A
very big thing. If you watch that game, the loss
to the Bengals. Obviously the Bengals have been talked about,
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but the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
We talk about another receiver on that depth chart. So
when you're giving Travis Hunter a full time reps at
receiver and you're not giving him the reps as a corner.
Through two games, we have not seen a I think
we've seen some catches, but we just haven't seen that
like Heisman Trophy, second overall pick kind of like game
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changing performance. So what point, if you're the Jags, do
you stop with this nonsense of playing them both ways?
You give him full time reps and he could be
the shutdown corner that he was promised when he first
got to Florida State and then renigged and went to
Jackson State and then went to Colorado and now his
name is up in the rafters at in Boulder.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Again, most people had told us right that he was
better on defense than an offense. And he did have
six targets, only caught three balls. But yeah, I mean,
there's not the dynamic number one overall pick playmaker you
would you would.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Think there yet?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Ye yet yet yet? All right, Dan Buyer will give
give give me Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Well, I was just gonna say just a couple of
things on that.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
First of all, like we the Brian Thomas thing is
really concerning because of how productive he was last year
for them, and Liam Cohen is brought in. I mean,
these coaches have been brought in. Doug Peterson was in
to make sure that Trevor Lawrence works. Now Liam Cohen
is brought in to make sure that Trevor Lawrence works.
I've seen you mentioned the hospital balls that Trevor Lawrence
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has thrown. And maybe Brian Thomas not willing to sacrifice everything.
I think there could be a little bit of responsibility
on the quarterback's shoulders with that. But it is an
interesting scenario because he was really really good last year
and for a division that is apparently for the taking
right now. It's shocking to me that threw two games
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in after a stellar rookie season where I think it
was second in the AFC and receiving yards last year,
that we're having a Brian Thomas Junior conversation. And I
just think the jury with with Travis Hunters is still out.
But I can understand why Jason is underwhelmed by what
we've had the first two weeks of the season, considering
that the reason the Jaguars took him at number two
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was to be a two way player. That's that's the
reason why.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Uh okay, I'll give you another one.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
And I think it has you Iowa samming it? Are you?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I mean, you guys, everybody's had chance to run. You're
commenting on mine? You know what? Go ahead, Dan, you
got one.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
I know, I just I was gonna say, because we
we can go back around.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
But let's go. Let's go back around.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I mean, this is a fire segment.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Fire go ahead. Hey, we don't have one at buyer
have Buyer's remorse on Gottlieb talking too much.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Well, I was, I was gonna say.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
What stood out to me is Brian Dable can't win
at all, even when do you think they have a
win in the win column. The Cowboys kick a sixty
four yard field goal and Russell Wilson plays the game
of his career four hundred and fifty yards in three touchdowns,
and then he throws an awful interception in the overtime
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which ultimately leads to Dallas kicking the game winning field
goal in that overtime session. And then I know something
that Jason is going to get to in just a
little bit. But now the Giants for the second straight
year have a player that they cut loose that was
supposed to be a big part of their future thriving
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in another place, and he just cannot win. There is
nothing that can happen, I think in this season now
to save Brian dables job, considering everything that this happened,
Jackson Dart would have to be better than Tom Brady.
I think for the Giants to keep not only Brian
Dable but Joe Shane around because it is it is
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for as good as things could be it ultimately sours
for the Giants, and I think Sunday was the perfect example.
Four hundred and fifty yards, three touchdowns and Wilson throws
a bad pick and over time he ended up losing
the game.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I didn't see it. Has Dave Ball been on record
as explaining how he handled the quarterbacks in the last
part of that game. There was a time when Jackson
Dart was playing every other snap. Was that explained in
the in the Cowboys game? Yeah? Yeah, no, I that's
unusual for me. Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson played like dog
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crap in Week one, and day Ball was very stern
on Tuesday when he said he's still our quarterback. Then
he gets late into a game against the Cowboys and
starts going platoon every other snap for at least a series.
When Russell Wilson is playing the game of his life.
It was just such a head scratcher. I just haven't
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seen that. Followed up on.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
It's also Just a pub the podcast I Want Your
Flex Podcast, new episode out our producer Ian Roddy putting
the bat signal and highlighting the play of one Daniel
Jones and how it affects Brian Dabole. So new podcast
episode is out.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Now go ahead, Jase too.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
I do want to talk about the Daniel Jones's teammate.
I don't know how many people around the country know
this person, so I'm going to introduce you to rigo
Berto Sanchez. Rigo Berto Sanchez has been a punter in
the NFL for I think eight or nine years. He
went to college at Hawaii. He grew up kind of
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near where Aaron Rodgers grew up in northern California. He's
the punter for the Colts. He's also the first punter
in the history of the NFL, well since the Murderer
what have you, that has gone the first two games
without punting once. That is how a effective Shane Steigen's
offense under Daniel Jones has been. They have not had
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to use their punter once in two games. There two
and zero. And I will say this Rendon, Anthony Rendon
of the Angels, he sent Regaberto a text with the
thumbs up for getting paid for not working. He also
got a text from Deshaun Watson, So Rigoberto's getting love
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from a lot of people who get paid to do nothing.
Congratulations to Rigaberto. Sanchez and the Colts for being two and.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Oh, I'm gonna I want to talk about a game
that became crazy exciting and zero people have talked about
a national radio Did you guys watch any of the
Panthers Cardinals game?
Speaker 7 (09:50):
Yeah, we were on the air during it.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
It was I mean it was I think twenty to
three at a half, and I again wasn't paying attention
and Bryce Young kind of caught a heater. I mean
he really, I mean he threw the ball fifty five
times completely, thirty five of them, but caught a heater,
started getting his rhythm. They were down twenty seven to
twenty two. Recovered an on sidekick with one fifty five
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to go right, he wasn't like there. They recovered it
onside kick and there's like ten seconds and they had
to chuck it deep, like literally recovered it and had
a chance to win the game outright on the road
and couldn't really move the football. There was there was
a big penalty on Arizona on like the third play.
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I mean, they had opportunities, but I'm trying to figure
out is Arizona any good Calibery's been just okay? And
last year, remember Bryce Young got pulled and then got
the job back late in the year, and kind of
no one's talked about Bryce Young this year, just because
I think we'd all come to the conclusion that he's
too little and not good enough. All that may be true,
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but he looked really good in the second half. Granted,
you know your second half you're behind your throwing every down,
but he was really, really good, and the Panthers were competitive.
Now they return home, they get the Falcons and the
Patriots on the road, then the Dolphins at home and
Cowboys at home, than the Jets and road. These are
games of which they can win two of these. But again,
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Bryce Young, who we thought was a complete bust and
too small to play the position, at least in the
second half when I was watching it, did not watch
the whole game. I watched when it got exciting, when
he started to catch a heater, looked really good. On Sunday.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
As one of the millions of people in this country
that had Arizona as their survivor pick on Sunday, I
watched painfully closely to that final five to eight minutes.
I don't know if it was Bryce Young or if
it was the stupidity of the Cardinals defense. There was
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one penalty after another, well, one sloppy play after another,
including the on side kick where the idiot on on
side kick protection didn't quite understand that you can't touch
the ball before you go and block somebody.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
There's also the fact that Kyler Murray threw an interception
up twenty seven to nine and a third and three
where if you kick a field goal you may get
a twenty one point lead, but for all intents and purposes, yeah,
the game is over. So he turns it over with
ten minutes to go, allows then Bryce Young to kind
of start this comeback. Also in that game, Jason talks
about the flags and the stupidity of Arizona, and there
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were lapses, no doubt, but there was also a personal
foul roughing the passer call that kept the drive alive
on a fourth and fifteen that was just atrocious. And
it was a flag fest in this game, and it
was a tough watch because of all of the stoppages,
of all of the changes, of all of these things.
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It was just completely frustrating. But some of that what
happened on Sunday does fall on the shoulders of Kyler Murray.
Because it all started with his red zone interception to
allow that comeback.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I'll give you one more guy who I know you
hadn't forgotten because you have a fantasy football podcast. I
drafted in fantasy football. I've been rewarded by it, but
we had forgotten how dynamic Jonathan Taylor is. Like again,
you guys are right in regards to Danny Dimes and
what it means for Brian day Ball. But the real
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story of Danny Dimes is he was good with the
Giants when they had Saquon Barkley, and they didn't have
Saquon Barkley, they didn't have anything right. We got hurt
bad when he was with the Eagles. He's bad with
the Colts. Jonathan Taylor can run it, can catch it.
You know, he had one hundred and sixty five yards
the other day. But he can also catch out of
the backfield. Like He's unbelievable. How good he is again,
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I don't know. Got to stay healthy, obviously, but in
a division which I think Dan you mentioned can be had.
We're talking about Jacksonville. Here's Indy at two and zero,
and all we're focusing on is the owner. We're in
the headset and taking notes about, you know, about what
the coaches are doing and the story should be. Jonathan
Taylor is making everybody around him look, especially Danny Dimes,
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look really really good. All right, Yeah, give us yourt
thoughts again. We try and cover everything in the NFL,
and some stuff is left on the cutting room floor.
That's what we call Tuesday Morning Quarterback.
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Speaker 1 (14:42):
It's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. He's
a New York Times bestselling author, longtime sports sportswriter, covering,
among other things, that the National Football League. And he's
authored a new book that's called Brady Versus Belichick The
Dynasty Debate, which is out today wherever you get your
books are online if you could audio books as well.
Gary Myers joins us now on the Doug Gottlieb Show
(15:05):
on Fox Sports Radio and Gary, what what pushed you
to write this book?
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Doug? I think that you know, I'm always looking for
interesting topics to write books about, and this one in particular,
just kind of jumped out of me that I think
it's truly like the greatest unanswered debate in NFL history.
There's no real right or wrong answer, but everybody has
an opinion on it. So I decided that it was.
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It was so intriguing to me because there were you know,
highs and lows, ebbs and flows during the twenty years together,
where early on it was Belichick, then it was both
of them, and then it was Brady. I just just
set out to talk to as many people as I
possibly could and put together something that I thought would
be like the defensive look at the Brady Belichick era,
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you know, strictly through the lens of which is the
is the most credit?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Okay, So what was the process, like, how did you
how did you dive into finding out who deserves the
most credit?
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Well, I talked to I talked to a lot of
the players that played for Belichick and were teammates with Tom.
I talked to a bunch of coaches who went against them.
I looked into their legacies and how they were impacted
by the controversies, you know, Spygate in the flate date,
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and how that would how history would look at them
as a result of that, and whether that would taint
any of their accomplishments. I think that's my favorite chapter
in the book, really is about Moe Lewis, who was
the Jets linebackers. I'm sure you remember who blasted Drew
Bletsoe in that game in two thousand and one in
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Foxborough that began the Brady era, and Lewis has become
sort of a recluse from football because Jet fans, and
I think very unfairly Doug blame him for the Patriot
dynasty because they're saying, if he didn't do that to Bledsoe,
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then we never would have heard of Tom Brady, which
isn't true because Belichick loved Brady even before he stepped
on the field. But all Lewis was doing was what
he was paid to do. He was a linebacker, and
to Bletsoe at a third and ten, he was running
around the right end trying to get a first down
on a third and ten and the Jets were up seven,
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was five minutes to go, and he was expecting Blesso
to run out of bounds. He wanted him to run
out of bounds to said. He cut it inside and
his left shoulder or his right shoulder, hid Blodsoe on
the left side of his chest and it was the
most brutal hit I've ever seen, and so Mo is
very resentful of Jet fans blaming him. What happened after
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that when all that really needed to happen was the
Jets had to figure out a way to beat the Patriots,
which I only did once. Then happened to me in the player,
you know, but so Mowa has become somewhat of a
football recluse that he just he was okay. I had
to talk him into talking to me, but once once
he did, I mean, he was, he was great. But
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I kind of hung up the phone feeling bad for
him that a big part of his life is no
longer a part of his life because he feels like,
you know, he's just been blamed and it's kind of ridiculous.
But that's the way.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It's so ridiculous, you know, It's funny, Gary, I was
that was the first weekend. That was the first weekend's
game after nine to eleven.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
Absolutely, that's right, And.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I believe it was Sunday Sunday night Football.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
No, actually it was it was a four clock I
think it was a four.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
O'clock okay, and I was I was watching it at
Siders in Plainville, Connecticut. You're like, well, why do you know?
Because that was that was my first chance. I was
still playing professional basketball, but nothing was going on overseas,
so I got to fill in for Todd Wright all night.
And somewhere there's probably a tape kept where I said,
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Drew Bledsoe's out, like the Patriots are done. And you know,
obviously I can eat my words today. It is fascinating, right,
I mean, he went to Tampa and he won a
Super Bowl, and I would point out that Belichick, you know,
one year he won seven games I think it was
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seven games with Cam Newton as quarterback, who couldn't throw
the ball anymore, right, They won games with less than
one hundred yards passing, and I thought that might have
been his best coaching job ever. But as you kind
of broke into all of these interviews, what's the general
sense you got from from players now that they're kind
of removed from the situation.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Yeah, I mean, as far as the Cam Newton situation
was concerned, I think that really accentuates the point that Belichick,
for whatever reason, was completely unprepared for the post Brady era.
Even though he pushed him out the door, he didn't
have the successor in the building. He wanted it to
be Garoppolo, but I think Jimmy was gonna antsy to play.
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But more than that, Brady wanted him out of the building,
and Kraft forced Belichick to trade Garoppolo, and he wound
up trading him to the Niners. Now it turns out,
you know, Tom is in the seventeen season and the
eighteen season got back to the super Bowl again, so
he wasn't anywhere near Don and so Groppolo probably would
have left anyhow. But that didn't prevent Belichick from trying
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to find a quarterback because at some point Brady was
going to stop playing. It turns out he stopped playing
for the Patriots because Belichick didn't want him anymore. But
that was I think that really illustrated how Belichick lost
his touch with personnel, both in drafting and in signing
free agents. That he lets Brady walk out the door
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without having somebody that he said, Okay, this guy's going
to play instead, And you know, the next year that
drafted Mac Jones and they made the playoffs and they
lose by thirty points set of bills, and then he
brings in I think it was in twenty two, maybe
it was twenty two. He brings in Matt, brings Matt
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Patricia back and Joe Judge back, a defensive coach and
a special teams coach who failed as head coaches with
the Lions and the Giants, and he brings them back
as Mac Jones's coaches. And you got a guy who
made the playoffs as a rookie and you're trying to
build on it, and you make his coaches a special
teams coach and a defensive coach, and you know, not surprisingly,
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Mac Jones won completely backwards. So I think overall, the
feelings from the players was that Belichick was extremely instrumental
in the early years of Brady, and I think you'd
have to be foolished not to think that way. But
as the years went on and Tom, you know, went
from being okay, only Peyton Manning is better too, Well,
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he as good as Peyton Manning. Then he's better than
Peyton Manning. Now is he as good as Joe Montana? No,
he's better than Joe Montana. As he took those progressive
steps it became more bradish team than Belichick's team, And
I think the last seven years was completely Brady.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports, Trader the Great
Gary Meyers joining us. He's written this new book it's
about Brady and Belichick, the dynasty debate. I think that's
it's just fascinating, It's absolutely fascinating. Is that why Belichick's
back coaching in college?
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Well, if he wants to prove it coming without Brady,
He's not going to prove it by being in North
Carolina unless he wins the National championship, which I mean,
I follow college football somewhat, but I don't foresee that
happening in North Carolina. So I don't know. I think
he's in North Carolina, Doug because he loves to coach,
and he didn't have anything else he wanted to do,
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and he's still felt he had the passion for it,
and he knew it wasn't going to get a job
in the NFL, so he took the job at Carolina.
It's the worst time, I mean, as you know, to
be a college coach at like in a major university,
because you got to deal with the nils and the
transfer portal and you have to re recruit your team
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every year. I mean, who wants that where you've never
coached in college before. So it just shows how desperate
he was to coach again, that he'd throw himself into
the most chaotic time in college sports history.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Well, can I give you another, maybe a different way
of looking at it.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I don't know if it's desperate or if it's arrogant.
And here's how what the NFL people have told me.
And again, you've done research, you've done a book. I'm
just you know, sports radio and now coaching. Okay, so
but they said, hey, you know what Belichick and those
guys did best with They were the best at the
waiver wire of anybody. They could find a guy who
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hit Wes Welker, you know, and turn him into a superstar.
And I think there's an arrogance there to where I
love Michael Lombart, he's actually a family friend, and but
there's an arrogance there to where like, hey, we can
essentially every year is free agency in college football. We
can evaluate better than anybody else, and so we'll be
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able to find diamonds in the rough and then use
the fact that we're you know, we're Bill Belichick. With
the high end guys, we'll be able to even at
North Carolina with less of a budget. I'm sure they
have a really good budget than some of the big boys.
We're just smarter than you, right, because that was always
their thing with how they drafted, that was always their
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thing with how you know, we just we think we're
better at developing. We think we're better at finding diamonds. Ruff.
I think part of it is they think that, yes,
it is chaotic, but it's every year free agency and
they can evaluate better than other people.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Well, the evaluation will help if they can find you know,
it's a cliche, but you know they find the diamonds
in the rough kind of guys. But the ones who
have an opportunity to go to LSU or Alabama or
Georgia or Michigan, and you have to figure the money
will probably about the same. Then it comes down to
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Bob Belichick sitting in a seventeen year old's living room
with the kid's parents and they say, this guy's going
to get me into the NFL. Or are they thinking
I don't want to go play for this seventy three
year old. I don't know how long he's going to
be around, and you know, his reputation doesn't really appeal
to me. I think it can go either way. But Doug,
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I think the whole key to whether he has success
in North Carolina is whether he can find a quarterback.
And I don't know that he'll get a five star
quarterback there. If a guy, if a kid wants to
go play, but he proved in New England, he doesn't
have to have He did it with a six round quarterback,
So if he can, I mean, he's never gonna find
another Brady, but he doesn't necessarily have to find somebody
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like that. He just has to find somebody who's really good.
And you know, whether he hits Jack Pott and gets
a five star quarterback, or you know, finds a kid
who is sitting on the bench and who in Minnesota
or Nebraska or Michigan or whatever and and thinks he
has potential and then can develop them, maybe that's the
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way he's got to do it. But if he doesn't
get a quarterback, they have no chance, because that's just
the way the game is structured, like.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Especially college football, especially especially Why is Brady still Why
is he chasing this Raiders thing.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
Well, I think that, well, he never wants to get
into coaching, and I mean the great players never want
to get into coaching because the hours are too long.
I mean, you know that's Howl and those hours are
and he wanted to be involved in And I don't
know where the relationship with Mark Davis started, but.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Almost started when he was leaving and he wanted to
go to the Raiders, right and at at the time
the Raiders had who is Derek Carr and they didn't
want to get rid of Derek Carr.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
Well, I think that Mark Davis did warn him, and
Gluten didn't, Bruton didn't correct. Yeah, but I don't know,
like what the connection was, if there was a connection
prior to that between Davis and Brady, because now it
evolved into you know, Davis selling five percent of his
team to Tom and five percent to Tom's partner. I
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don't know how it evolved from him wanted to go
play for the Raiders to agree to sell part of.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
His team to him. The connection had to be deeper somewhere.
I just don't know what it is. But you know,
Tom is incredibly competitive and this is a way for
him to kind of stay in it. The Raiders are
just like an interesting I wouldn't have guessed. I would
have guessed like the Dolphins because he lived in Florida,
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or you know, maybe Craft because he considers him his
fifth son. He would have sold them five percent of
the Patriots, you know, with the other ninety five percent
is going to stay in the Craft family. I never
would have guessed the Raiders, especially because it's it's like
so far from home, and you know, Tom is a
really good dad, and two of his kids live in
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Florida and one lands in New York, and you know
he travels enough for Fox and to think that, you know,
on his day off, presumably he flew to Vegas to
sit and watch the game last night. By the way,
this whole thing with him sitting with headsets in the
coaches both last night. The NFL issued some kind of
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innocuous statement today that you know, you know, Tom is
still not allowed to go into So they all these meetings,
the production's meetings have to be virtual. And that's the
rule that they changed them this year. Last year couldn't
be in the meanings at all, Doug next this coming week,
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Brady's got the Cowboys and the Bears, and he's going
to be laught to sit in the production meetings virtually,
and he's allowed to talk to players on the field
the following week the Raiders play the Bears. Is there
anybody who doesn't think that information that Brady picks up
on the Bears working the game this week is not
going to be turned over to the Raiders who then
play the Bears. I mean, this is this is such
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an incredible conflict of interest, And I didn't think that
until I saw what happened last night. Going to keep it.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
The optics, the optics for optics, for optics were not good.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Optics were not.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Good because because there's there's part of it that I
like it, you know, if you bring it as a broadcaster,
the inside knowledge. But in a in a league which
everybody is paranoid and considering he was part of the
Patriots with spy gay and all the other stuff, Yeah,
it's a terrible look. It's a terrible look for the
golden boy of the Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
I mean, Doug, it's fine for him to get inside knowledge.
I mean what Collinsworth and Akman and all those guys do. Sure,
they work it really hard. But they're not working for
a team.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, no, no, I get it. I get it. It's
it's bizarre. Gary, this is gonna be really good. I
know it's gonna be another best seller. Gary Myer's New
York Times best selling author, longtime sports writer covering the NFL.
The book is called Brady Versus Belichick, The Dynasty Debate.
It's out today. Wherever you get your books or your
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audio books, pick it up. Gary, Thanks so much for
your time. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
Doug, thanks for having me on, and good luck this
basketball season.
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but Doug.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
The National Football League says that Las Vegas Raiders minority
owner Tom Brady is allowed to send the team's coaches
booth during games, and he did not violate any NFL
rules by doing so during last night's contest against the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
H letter of the lost spear of the law again,
I love when broadcasters have great insight. I think having
him tied in the league is awesome. That was a
terrible look. There's just no other way, Like, that's just
can you do it? Yeah? But what was the Chris
rock line? You can drive a car with your feet,
But that doesn't make it a good idea.
Speaker 7 (32:05):
It's got a lot of good lines. We always use THEE.
That's what you're supposed to do. Jerry Jones weighing in
on the Cowboys. Not there one on one record, but
maybe the thirty seven points they gave up to the
Giants this past Sunday.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
As much as anything, it's bang into the scheme. You've
got to handle your responsibilities and you've got to really
do that all over the defense, whether it's back in
or whether it's up on the front. You've got to
do your responsibility, that's first and foremost, and then make
that play if it's there. But the main thing is
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you can't just be there trying to make a play.
You've got to have your responsibilities, make sure that's covered
before you abandon that area and try to go out
and make a play. You can't be a lone ranger
out there. You've got to be a part of the team.
That's the hard part, getting it together so that everybody's
doing their.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
Jerry talking scheme and buying into that scheme. On one
oh three point five of the fan in.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Dallas, that's the old do your job right, do your job.
We don't need you doing somebody else's job. Just do
your job.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
Also Jerry saying, hey, it's not the players on the field,
it's those players buying into the scheme. This is always
a fun time of year when quarterbacks get injured. There
are other names that pop up. Desmond Ritter, former Cincinnati
quarterback Bearcat I'm talking about and former Falcon starter now
sign of the Vikings because of JJ McCarthy's injury. The Bengals,
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speaking of which they signed Brett Rippon to their active rosters.
They placed Joe Burrow and I Are. They also signed
Mike White and Sean Clifford to their practice squad.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Sewn Clifford nice former packer. Yeah, Mike White also from
a RAM longtime RAM right check Cliverers like the backup
of the Rams for a good amount of time.
Speaker 7 (33:53):
Mike White again was the yes right Yes. Remember they
had the T shirts and kind kind of took Zach
Wilson's tenure and threw it off the tracks because of
how well Mike White played. But Mike was with Buffalo
training camp.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Real quick, check out your phone real quick. I sent
you a picture that Kyler Murray put on Instagram. How
do He's wearing a Mike vic jersey and he's petting
what appears to be his pet pitbull. Does he not know?
Speaker 4 (34:26):
No, No, he definitely knows.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
I think that Mike Vick wouldn't probably appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
I don't think anybody would. Anybody like uh, always too soon,
always too.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
Soon Ram said coach Sean McVay revealed that he tore
the Planter fascia in his foot during Sunday's win in
Tennessee on the team's sideline.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Okay, so the planner fashion when you tear it is
actually like a good thing like that actually starts the
healing process or whatever. But it's gonna hurt. It hurts
like a you know what when it happens. But then
I think you have surgery at heels. That's the only
way to get to heel fully. Otherwise you just walk
around in intense pain until you have time to rest.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
Last year, I signed up for Paramount Plus or I
should say last spring because of the added coverage they
were providing for the Masters on the weekend. Now we've
got added coverage on Thursday and Friday. Recently, we would
have coverage starting at three eastern noon Pacific on ESPN
of the first and second round of the Masters. Now
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Amazon Prime is getting into the mix. They will be
broadcasting two hours prior to the switchover to ESPN. So
on Thursday and Friday of Masters week, you can watch
competition on Amazon Prime from one o'clock until three o'clock
Eastern time.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
So what does this do to Did ESPN lose their coverage?
Speaker 4 (35:54):
No, no, it's just in addition to that.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
But they're providing options for more people to work. They
will still give you the featured group's option. I'm sure
Autmasters dot Com and on the Masters app also Amen
Corner Holes fifteen and sixteen. All of that will still
be featured, but your actual broadcast will just start earlier
and it will go from Amazon Prime over to ESPN.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Okay. So the Masters, which used to be you can
ever watch everything, now you can see anything you want.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
You're starting to get yes, and it's a limited field.
There's usually only eighty five to ninety players on average
per year, so it's not like the USA, the US
Open where you can go from sun up to sundown
and watch play, or the Open Championship. This is a
limited There is a limited window, so there are so
many hours. But now you're getting twenty seven hours of
broadcast coverage over the Masters four days in augusta national
(36:49):
that's pretty good. Dallas Stars guard Page Becker's name the
WNBA's Rookie of the Year, not a un Adamus pick,
receiving all but two first place votes.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Doug.
Speaker 7 (36:58):
The Stars did not make the WNBA playoffs, but tonight
there are two games. Atlanta's at Indiana, Las Vegas is
at Seattle, and.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
That's press by get out there and Pressed.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
That was the press have.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Not mentioned Phillies clinch the NL East wild game at
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today wherever you find books. We'll get to all of that.
But this is a Tuesday. It's one of the more
enjoyable segments we do. Guys created this, and I think
this is week two of it. It's called Tuesday Morning
(01:22):
Quarterback Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
This is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon. Mondays can
be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we didn't get.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
To on Monday.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
This is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
I got several things to get to. I want to start, honestly,
a team that we never talk about unless their coaches
kind of butchering the Duvall, Dovall, the dou that's it.
That's the one. If you watch Jacksonville, they have a
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wide receiver who's in his second year named Brian Thomas Junior.
There are at least three, if not four plays where
it was one huge interception. He quits on a ball
over the middle, like literally stopped in his tracks because
he thought it was going to be a hospital ball.
(02:25):
It was such a thing that Liam Comb was asked
about it after the game, and he sidestepped it smartly
as a coach and said I'll have to look at it.
But for a team that's trying to figure out Trevor Lawrence,
he left Lawrence, hung Lawrence out to dry several times.
It is a massive topic in Jacksonville. And I don't
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know how you throw the guy out there next week
when he wanted no part of getting hit, and that's
actually the job of a wide receiver anyway. I just
there was a Tuesday morning quarterback that we hadn't talked about.
I don't think anybody's talked about in national radio. A
very big thing. If you watch that game, the loss
to the Bengals. Obviously the Bengals have been talked about,
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but the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Speaker 5 (03:09):
We talk about another receiver on that depth chart. So
when you're giving Travis Hunter a full time reps at
receiver and you're not giving him the reps as a corner.
Through two games, we have not seen a I think
we've seen some catches, but we just haven't seen that
like Heisman Trophy, second overall pick kind of like game
(03:31):
changing performance. So what point, if you're the Jags, do
you stop with this nonsense of playing them both ways?
You give him full time reps and he could be
the shutdown corner that he was promised when he first
got to Florida State and then renigged and went to
Jackson State and then went to Colorado and now his
name is up in the rafters at in Boulder.
Speaker 6 (03:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Again, most people had told us right that he was
better on defense than an offense. And he did have
six targets, only caught three balls. But yeah, I mean,
there's not the dynamic number one overall pick playmaker you
would you would.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Think there yet?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Ye yet yet yet? All right, Dan Buyer will give
give give me Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (04:18):
Well, I was just gonna say just a couple of
things on that.
Speaker 7 (04:20):
First of all, like we the Brian Thomas thing is
really concerning because of how productive he was last year
for them, and Liam Cohen is brought in. I mean,
these coaches have been brought in. Doug Peterson was in
to make sure that Trevor Lawrence works. Now Liam Cohen
is brought in to make sure that Trevor Lawrence works.
I've seen you mentioned the hospital balls that Trevor Lawrence
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has thrown. And maybe Brian Thomas not willing to sacrifice everything.
I think there could be a little bit of responsibility
on the quarterback's shoulders with that. But it is an
interesting scenario because he was really really good last year
and for a division that is apparently for the taking
right now. It's shocking to me that threw two games
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in after a stellar rookie season where I think it
was second in the AFC and receiving yards last year,
that we're having a Brian Thomas Junior conversation. And I
just think the jury with with Travis Hunters is still out.
But I can understand why Jason is underwhelmed by what
we've had the first two weeks of the season, considering
that the reason the Jaguars took him at number two
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was to be a two way player. That's that's the
reason why.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Uh okay, I'll give you another one.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
And I think it has you Iowa samming it? Are you?
Speaker 1 (05:35):
I mean, you guys, everybody's had chance to run. You're
commenting on mine? You know what? Go ahead, Dan, you
got one.
Speaker 7 (05:41):
I know, I just I was gonna say, because we
we can go back around.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
But let's go. Let's go back around.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
I mean, this is a fire segment.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Fire go ahead. Hey, we don't have one at buyer
have Buyer's remorse on Gottlieb talking too much.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Well, I was, I was gonna say.
Speaker 7 (05:56):
What stood out to me is Brian Dable can't win
at all, even when do you think they have a
win in the win column. The Cowboys kick a sixty
four yard field goal and Russell Wilson plays the game
of his career four hundred and fifty yards in three touchdowns,
and then he throws an awful interception in the overtime
(06:20):
which ultimately leads to Dallas kicking the game winning field
goal in that overtime session. And then I know something
that Jason is going to get to in just a
little bit. But now the Giants for the second straight
year have a player that they cut loose that was
supposed to be a big part of their future thriving
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in another place, and he just cannot win. There is
nothing that can happen, I think in this season now
to save Brian dables job, considering everything that this happened,
Jackson Dart would have to be better than Tom Brady.
I think for the Giants to keep not only Brian
Dable but Joe Shane around because it is it is
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for as good as things could be it ultimately sours
for the Giants, and I think Sunday was the perfect example.
Four hundred and fifty yards, three touchdowns and Wilson throws
a bad pick and over time he ended up losing
the game.
Speaker 5 (07:12):
I didn't see it. Has Dave Ball been on record
as explaining how he handled the quarterbacks in the last
part of that game. There was a time when Jackson
Dart was playing every other snap. Was that explained in
the in the Cowboys game? Yeah? Yeah, no, I that's
unusual for me. Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson played like dog
(07:35):
crap in Week one, and day Ball was very stern
on Tuesday when he said he's still our quarterback. Then
he gets late into a game against the Cowboys and
starts going platoon every other snap for at least a series.
When Russell Wilson is playing the game of his life.
It was just such a head scratcher. I just haven't
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seen that. Followed up on.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
It's also Just a pub the podcast I Want Your
Flex Podcast, new episode out our producer Ian Roddy putting
the bat signal and highlighting the play of one Daniel
Jones and how it affects Brian Dabole. So new podcast
episode is out.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
Now go ahead, Jase too.
Speaker 5 (08:21):
I do want to talk about the Daniel Jones's teammate.
I don't know how many people around the country know
this person, so I'm going to introduce you to rigo
Berto Sanchez. Rigo Berto Sanchez has been a punter in
the NFL for I think eight or nine years. He
went to college at Hawaii. He grew up kind of
(08:43):
near where Aaron Rodgers grew up in northern California. He's
the punter for the Colts. He's also the first punter
in the history of the NFL, well since the Murderer
what have you, that has gone the first two games
without punting once. That is how a effective Shane Steigen's
offense under Daniel Jones has been. They have not had
(09:04):
to use their punter once in two games. There two
and zero. And I will say this Rendon, Anthony Rendon
of the Angels, he sent Regaberto a text with the
thumbs up for getting paid for not working. He also
got a text from Deshaun Watson, So Rigoberto's getting love
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from a lot of people who get paid to do nothing.
Congratulations to Rigaberto. Sanchez and the Colts for being two and.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Oh, I'm gonna I want to talk about a game
that became crazy exciting and zero people have talked about
a national radio Did you guys watch any of the
Panthers Cardinals game?
Speaker 7 (09:50):
Yeah, we were on the air during it.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
It was I mean it was I think twenty to
three at a half, and I again wasn't paying attention
and Bryce Young kind of caught a heater. I mean
he really, I mean he threw the ball fifty five
times completely, thirty five of them, but caught a heater,
started getting his rhythm. They were down twenty seven to
twenty two. Recovered an on sidekick with one fifty five
(10:14):
to go right, he wasn't like there. They recovered it
onside kick and there's like ten seconds and they had
to chuck it deep, like literally recovered it and had
a chance to win the game outright on the road
and couldn't really move the football. There was there was
a big penalty on Arizona on like the third play.
(10:36):
I mean, they had opportunities, but I'm trying to figure
out is Arizona any good Calibery's been just okay? And
last year, remember Bryce Young got pulled and then got
the job back late in the year, and kind of
no one's talked about Bryce Young this year, just because
I think we'd all come to the conclusion that he's
too little and not good enough. All that may be true,
(10:58):
but he looked really good in the second half. Granted,
you know your second half you're behind your throwing every down,
but he was really, really good, and the Panthers were competitive.
Now they return home, they get the Falcons and the
Patriots on the road, then the Dolphins at home and
Cowboys at home, than the Jets and road. These are
games of which they can win two of these. But again,
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Bryce Young, who we thought was a complete bust and
too small to play the position, at least in the
second half when I was watching it, did not watch
the whole game. I watched when it got exciting, when
he started to catch a heater, looked really good. On Sunday.
Speaker 5 (11:32):
As one of the millions of people in this country
that had Arizona as their survivor pick on Sunday, I
watched painfully closely to that final five to eight minutes.
I don't know if it was Bryce Young or if
it was the stupidity of the Cardinals defense. There was
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one penalty after another, well, one sloppy play after another,
including the on side kick where the idiot on on
side kick protection didn't quite understand that you can't touch
the ball before you go and block somebody.
Speaker 7 (12:10):
There's also the fact that Kyler Murray threw an interception
up twenty seven to nine and a third and three
where if you kick a field goal you may get
a twenty one point lead, but for all intents and purposes, yeah,
the game is over. So he turns it over with
ten minutes to go, allows then Bryce Young to kind
of start this comeback. Also in that game, Jason talks
about the flags and the stupidity of Arizona, and there
(12:34):
were lapses, no doubt, but there was also a personal
foul roughing the passer call that kept the drive alive
on a fourth and fifteen that was just atrocious. And
it was a flag fest in this game, and it
was a tough watch because of all of the stoppages,
of all of the changes, of all of these things.
(12:56):
It was just completely frustrating. But some of that what
happened on Sunday does fall on the shoulders of Kyler Murray.
Because it all started with his red zone interception to
allow that comeback.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I'll give you one more guy who I know you
hadn't forgotten because you have a fantasy football podcast. I
drafted in fantasy football. I've been rewarded by it, but
we had forgotten how dynamic Jonathan Taylor is. Like again,
you guys are right in regards to Danny Dimes and
what it means for Brian day Ball. But the real
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story of Danny Dimes is he was good with the
Giants when they had Saquon Barkley, and they didn't have
Saquon Barkley, they didn't have anything right. We got hurt
bad when he was with the Eagles. He's bad with
the Colts. Jonathan Taylor can run it, can catch it.
You know, he had one hundred and sixty five yards
the other day. But he can also catch out of
the backfield. Like He's unbelievable. How good he is again,
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I don't know. Got to stay healthy, obviously, but in
a division which I think Dan you mentioned can be had.
We're talking about Jacksonville. Here's Indy at two and zero,
and all we're focusing on is the owner. We're in
the headset and taking notes about, you know, about what
the coaches are doing and the story should be. Jonathan
Taylor is making everybody around him look, especially Danny Dimes,
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look really really good. All right, Yeah, give us yourt
thoughts again. We try and cover everything in the NFL,
and some stuff is left on the cutting room floor.
That's what we call Tuesday Morning Quarterback.
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It's the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio. He's
a New York Times bestselling author, longtime sports sportswriter, covering,
among other things, that the National Football League. And he's
authored a new book that's called Brady Versus Belichick The
Dynasty Debate, which is out today wherever you get your
books are online if you could audio books as well.
Gary Myers joins us now on the Doug Gottlieb Show
(15:05):
on Fox Sports Radio and Gary, what what pushed you
to write this book?
Speaker 6 (15:12):
Doug? I think that you know, I'm always looking for
interesting topics to write books about, and this one in particular,
just kind of jumped out of me that I think
it's truly like the greatest unanswered debate in NFL history.
There's no real right or wrong answer, but everybody has
an opinion on it. So I decided that it was.
(15:33):
It was so intriguing to me because there were you know,
highs and lows, ebbs and flows during the twenty years together,
where early on it was Belichick, then it was both
of them, and then it was Brady. I just just
set out to talk to as many people as I
possibly could and put together something that I thought would
be like the defensive look at the Brady Belichick era,
(15:53):
you know, strictly through the lens of which is the
is the most credit?
Speaker 1 (15:57):
Okay, So what was the process, like, how did you
how did you dive into finding out who deserves the
most credit?
Speaker 6 (16:04):
Well, I talked to I talked to a lot of
the players that played for Belichick and were teammates with Tom.
I talked to a bunch of coaches who went against them.
I looked into their legacies and how they were impacted
by the controversies, you know, Spygate in the flate date,
(16:25):
and how that would how history would look at them
as a result of that, and whether that would taint
any of their accomplishments. I think that's my favorite chapter
in the book, really is about Moe Lewis, who was
the Jets linebackers. I'm sure you remember who blasted Drew
Bletsoe in that game in two thousand and one in
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Foxborough that began the Brady era, and Lewis has become
sort of a recluse from football because Jet fans, and
I think very unfairly Doug blame him for the Patriot
dynasty because they're saying, if he didn't do that to Bledsoe,
(17:07):
then we never would have heard of Tom Brady, which
isn't true because Belichick loved Brady even before he stepped
on the field. But all Lewis was doing was what
he was paid to do. He was a linebacker, and
to Bletsoe at a third and ten, he was running
around the right end trying to get a first down
on a third and ten and the Jets were up seven,
(17:28):
was five minutes to go, and he was expecting Blesso
to run out of bounds. He wanted him to run
out of bounds to said. He cut it inside and
his left shoulder or his right shoulder, hid Blodsoe on
the left side of his chest and it was the
most brutal hit I've ever seen, and so Mo is
very resentful of Jet fans blaming him. What happened after
(17:53):
that when all that really needed to happen was the
Jets had to figure out a way to beat the Patriots,
which I only did once. Then happened to me in the player,
you know, but so Mowa has become somewhat of a
football recluse that he just he was okay. I had
to talk him into talking to me, but once once
he did, I mean, he was, he was great. But
(18:14):
I kind of hung up the phone feeling bad for
him that a big part of his life is no
longer a part of his life because he feels like,
you know, he's just been blamed and it's kind of ridiculous.
But that's the way.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
It's so ridiculous, you know, It's funny, Gary, I was
that was the first weekend. That was the first weekend's
game after nine to eleven.
Speaker 6 (18:34):
Absolutely, that's right, And.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I believe it was Sunday Sunday night Football.
Speaker 6 (18:40):
No, actually it was it was a four clock I
think it was a four.
Speaker 1 (18:43):
O'clock okay, and I was I was watching it at
Siders in Plainville, Connecticut. You're like, well, why do you know?
Because that was that was my first chance. I was
still playing professional basketball, but nothing was going on overseas,
so I got to fill in for Todd Wright all night.
And somewhere there's probably a tape kept where I said,
(19:04):
Drew Bledsoe's out, like the Patriots are done. And you know,
obviously I can eat my words today. It is fascinating, right,
I mean, he went to Tampa and he won a
Super Bowl, and I would point out that Belichick, you know,
one year he won seven games I think it was
(19:27):
seven games with Cam Newton as quarterback, who couldn't throw
the ball anymore, right, They won games with less than
one hundred yards passing, and I thought that might have
been his best coaching job ever. But as you kind
of broke into all of these interviews, what's the general
sense you got from from players now that they're kind
of removed from the situation.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
Yeah, I mean, as far as the Cam Newton situation
was concerned, I think that really accentuates the point that Belichick,
for whatever reason, was completely unprepared for the post Brady era.
Even though he pushed him out the door, he didn't
have the successor in the building. He wanted it to
be Garoppolo, but I think Jimmy was gonna antsy to play.
(20:08):
But more than that, Brady wanted him out of the building,
and Kraft forced Belichick to trade Garoppolo, and he wound
up trading him to the Niners. Now it turns out,
you know, Tom is in the seventeen season and the
eighteen season got back to the super Bowl again, so
he wasn't anywhere near Don and so Groppolo probably would
have left anyhow. But that didn't prevent Belichick from trying
(20:31):
to find a quarterback because at some point Brady was
going to stop playing. It turns out he stopped playing
for the Patriots because Belichick didn't want him anymore. But
that was I think that really illustrated how Belichick lost
his touch with personnel, both in drafting and in signing
free agents. That he lets Brady walk out the door
(20:55):
without having somebody that he said, Okay, this guy's going
to play instead, And you know, the next year that
drafted Mac Jones and they made the playoffs and they
lose by thirty points set of bills, and then he
brings in I think it was in twenty two, maybe
it was twenty two. He brings in Matt, brings Matt
(21:16):
Patricia back and Joe Judge back, a defensive coach and
a special teams coach who failed as head coaches with
the Lions and the Giants, and he brings them back
as Mac Jones's coaches. And you got a guy who
made the playoffs as a rookie and you're trying to
build on it, and you make his coaches a special
teams coach and a defensive coach, and you know, not surprisingly,
(21:39):
Mac Jones won completely backwards. So I think overall, the
feelings from the players was that Belichick was extremely instrumental
in the early years of Brady, and I think you'd
have to be foolished not to think that way. But
as the years went on and Tom, you know, went
from being okay, only Peyton Manning is better too, Well,
(22:00):
he as good as Peyton Manning. Then he's better than
Peyton Manning. Now is he as good as Joe Montana? No,
he's better than Joe Montana. As he took those progressive
steps it became more bradish team than Belichick's team, And
I think the last seven years was completely Brady.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports, Trader the Great
Gary Meyers joining us. He's written this new book it's
about Brady and Belichick, the dynasty debate. I think that's
it's just fascinating, It's absolutely fascinating. Is that why Belichick's
back coaching in college?
Speaker 6 (22:37):
Well, if he wants to prove it coming without Brady,
He's not going to prove it by being in North
Carolina unless he wins the National championship, which I mean,
I follow college football somewhat, but I don't foresee that
happening in North Carolina. So I don't know. I think
he's in North Carolina, Doug because he loves to coach,
and he didn't have anything else he wanted to do,
(22:58):
and he's still felt he had the passion for it,
and he knew it wasn't going to get a job
in the NFL, so he took the job at Carolina.
It's the worst time, I mean, as you know, to
be a college coach at like in a major university,
because you got to deal with the nils and the
transfer portal and you have to re recruit your team
(23:18):
every year. I mean, who wants that where you've never
coached in college before. So it just shows how desperate
he was to coach again, that he'd throw himself into
the most chaotic time in college sports history.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Well, can I give you another, maybe a different way
of looking at it.
Speaker 6 (23:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I don't know if it's desperate or if it's arrogant.
And here's how what the NFL people have told me.
And again, you've done research, you've done a book. I'm
just you know, sports radio and now coaching. Okay, so
but they said, hey, you know what Belichick and those
guys did best with They were the best at the
waiver wire of anybody. They could find a guy who
(24:00):
hit Wes Welker, you know, and turn him into a superstar.
And I think there's an arrogance there to where I
love Michael Lombart, he's actually a family friend, and but
there's an arrogance there to where like, hey, we can
essentially every year is free agency in college football. We
can evaluate better than anybody else, and so we'll be
(24:21):
able to find diamonds in the rough and then use
the fact that we're you know, we're Bill Belichick. With
the high end guys, we'll be able to even at
North Carolina with less of a budget. I'm sure they
have a really good budget than some of the big boys.
We're just smarter than you, right, because that was always
their thing with how they drafted, that was always their
(24:43):
thing with how you know, we just we think we're
better at developing. We think we're better at finding diamonds. Ruff.
I think part of it is they think that, yes,
it is chaotic, but it's every year free agency and
they can evaluate better than other people.
Speaker 6 (24:58):
Well, the evaluation will help if they can find you know,
it's a cliche, but you know they find the diamonds
in the rough kind of guys. But the ones who
have an opportunity to go to LSU or Alabama or
Georgia or Michigan, and you have to figure the money
will probably about the same. Then it comes down to
(25:19):
Bob Belichick sitting in a seventeen year old's living room
with the kid's parents and they say, this guy's going
to get me into the NFL. Or are they thinking
I don't want to go play for this seventy three
year old. I don't know how long he's going to
be around, and you know, his reputation doesn't really appeal
to me. I think it can go either way. But Doug,
(25:40):
I think the whole key to whether he has success
in North Carolina is whether he can find a quarterback.
And I don't know that he'll get a five star
quarterback there. If a guy, if a kid wants to
go play, but he proved in New England, he doesn't
have to have He did it with a six round quarterback,
So if he can, I mean, he's never gonna find
another Brady, but he doesn't necessarily have to find somebody
(26:03):
like that. He just has to find somebody who's really good.
And you know, whether he hits Jack Pott and gets
a five star quarterback, or you know, finds a kid
who is sitting on the bench and who in Minnesota
or Nebraska or Michigan or whatever and and thinks he
has potential and then can develop them, maybe that's the
(26:25):
way he's got to do it. But if he doesn't
get a quarterback, they have no chance, because that's just
the way the game is structured, like.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Especially college football, especially especially Why is Brady still Why
is he chasing this Raiders thing.
Speaker 6 (26:46):
Well, I think that, well, he never wants to get
into coaching, and I mean the great players never want
to get into coaching because the hours are too long.
I mean, you know that's Howl and those hours are
and he wanted to be involved in And I don't
know where the relationship with Mark Davis started, but.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Almost started when he was leaving and he wanted to
go to the Raiders, right and at at the time
the Raiders had who is Derek Carr and they didn't
want to get rid of Derek Carr.
Speaker 8 (27:19):
Well, I think that Mark Davis did warn him, and
Gluten didn't, Bruton didn't correct. Yeah, but I don't know,
like what the connection was, if there was a connection
prior to that between Davis and Brady, because now it
evolved into you know, Davis selling five percent of his
team to Tom and five percent to Tom's partner. I
(27:41):
don't know how it evolved from him wanted to go
play for the Raiders to agree to sell part of.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
His team to him. The connection had to be deeper somewhere.
I just don't know what it is. But you know,
Tom is incredibly competitive and this is a way for
him to kind of stay in it. The Raiders are
just like an interesting I wouldn't have guessed. I would
have guessed like the Dolphins because he lived in Florida,
(28:09):
or you know, maybe Craft because he considers him his
fifth son. He would have sold them five percent of
the Patriots, you know, with the other ninety five percent
is going to stay in the Craft family. I never
would have guessed the Raiders, especially because it's it's like
so far from home, and you know, Tom is a
really good dad, and two of his kids live in
(28:29):
Florida and one lands in New York, and you know
he travels enough for Fox and to think that, you know,
on his day off, presumably he flew to Vegas to
sit and watch the game last night. By the way,
this whole thing with him sitting with headsets in the
coaches both last night. The NFL issued some kind of
(28:52):
innocuous statement today that you know, you know, Tom is
still not allowed to go into So they all these meetings,
the production's meetings have to be virtual. And that's the
rule that they changed them this year. Last year couldn't
be in the meanings at all, Doug next this coming week,
(29:12):
Brady's got the Cowboys and the Bears, and he's going
to be laught to sit in the production meetings virtually,
and he's allowed to talk to players on the field
the following week the Raiders play the Bears. Is there
anybody who doesn't think that information that Brady picks up
on the Bears working the game this week is not
going to be turned over to the Raiders who then
play the Bears. I mean, this is this is such
(29:34):
an incredible conflict of interest, And I didn't think that
until I saw what happened last night. Going to keep it.
Speaker 1 (29:43):
The optics, the optics for optics, for optics were not good.
Speaker 6 (29:47):
Optics were not.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Good because because there's there's part of it that I
like it, you know, if you bring it as a broadcaster,
the inside knowledge. But in a in a league which
everybody is paranoid and considering he was part of the
Patriots with spy gay and all the other stuff, Yeah,
it's a terrible look. It's a terrible look for the
golden boy of the Yeah.
Speaker 6 (30:07):
I mean, Doug, it's fine for him to get inside knowledge.
I mean what Collinsworth and Akman and all those guys do. Sure,
they work it really hard. But they're not working for
a team.
Speaker 1 (30:17):
Yeah, no, no, I get it. I get it. It's
it's bizarre. Gary, this is gonna be really good. I
know it's gonna be another best seller. Gary Myer's New
York Times best selling author, longtime sports writer covering the NFL.
The book is called Brady Versus Belichick, The Dynasty Debate.
It's out today. Wherever you get your books or your
(30:38):
audio books, pick it up. Gary, Thanks so much for
your time. I really appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (30:42):
Doug, thanks for having me on, and good luck this
basketball season.
Speaker 3 (30:45):
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Speaker 1 (30:54):
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(31:16):
get to the press, the press. Dan byro what he got,
but Doug.
Speaker 7 (31:27):
The National Football League says that Las Vegas Raiders minority
owner Tom Brady is allowed to send the team's coaches
booth during games, and he did not violate any NFL
rules by doing so during last night's contest against the Chargers.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
H letter of the lost spear of the law again,
I love when broadcasters have great insight. I think having
him tied in the league is awesome. That was a
terrible look. There's just no other way, Like, that's just
can you do it? Yeah? But what was the Chris
rock line? You can drive a car with your feet,
But that doesn't make it a good idea.
Speaker 7 (32:05):
It's got a lot of good lines. We always use THEE.
That's what you're supposed to do. Jerry Jones weighing in
on the Cowboys. Not there one on one record, but
maybe the thirty seven points they gave up to the
Giants this past Sunday.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
As much as anything, it's bang into the scheme. You've
got to handle your responsibilities and you've got to really
do that all over the defense, whether it's back in
or whether it's up on the front. You've got to
do your responsibility, that's first and foremost, and then make
that play if it's there. But the main thing is
(32:42):
you can't just be there trying to make a play.
You've got to have your responsibilities, make sure that's covered
before you abandon that area and try to go out
and make a play. You can't be a lone ranger
out there. You've got to be a part of the team.
That's the hard part, getting it together so that everybody's
doing their.
Speaker 7 (33:00):
Jerry talking scheme and buying into that scheme. On one
oh three point five of the fan in.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Dallas, that's the old do your job right, do your job.
We don't need you doing somebody else's job. Just do
your job.
Speaker 7 (33:13):
Also Jerry saying, hey, it's not the players on the field,
it's those players buying into the scheme. This is always
a fun time of year when quarterbacks get injured. There
are other names that pop up. Desmond Ritter, former Cincinnati
quarterback Bearcat I'm talking about and former Falcon starter now
sign of the Vikings because of JJ McCarthy's injury. The Bengals,
(33:36):
speaking of which they signed Brett Rippon to their active rosters.
They placed Joe Burrow and I Are. They also signed
Mike White and Sean Clifford to their practice squad.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Sewn Clifford nice former packer. Yeah, Mike White also from
a RAM longtime RAM right check Cliverers like the backup
of the Rams for a good amount of time.
Speaker 7 (33:53):
Mike White again was the yes right Yes. Remember they
had the T shirts and kind kind of took Zach
Wilson's tenure and threw it off the tracks because of
how well Mike White played. But Mike was with Buffalo
training camp.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Real quick, check out your phone real quick. I sent
you a picture that Kyler Murray put on Instagram. How
do He's wearing a Mike vic jersey and he's petting
what appears to be his pet pitbull. Does he not know?
Speaker 4 (34:26):
No, No, he definitely knows.
Speaker 7 (34:30):
I think that Mike Vick wouldn't probably appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
I don't think anybody would. Anybody like uh, always too soon,
always too.
Speaker 7 (34:41):
Soon Ram said coach Sean McVay revealed that he tore
the Planter fascia in his foot during Sunday's win in
Tennessee on the team's sideline.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
Okay, so the planner fashion when you tear it is
actually like a good thing like that actually starts the
healing process or whatever. But it's gonna hurt. It hurts
like a you know what when it happens. But then
I think you have surgery at heels. That's the only
way to get to heel fully. Otherwise you just walk
around in intense pain until you have time to rest.
Speaker 7 (35:11):
Last year, I signed up for Paramount Plus or I
should say last spring because of the added coverage they
were providing for the Masters on the weekend. Now we've
got added coverage on Thursday and Friday. Recently, we would
have coverage starting at three eastern noon Pacific on ESPN
of the first and second round of the Masters. Now
(35:32):
Amazon Prime is getting into the mix. They will be
broadcasting two hours prior to the switchover to ESPN. So
on Thursday and Friday of Masters week, you can watch
competition on Amazon Prime from one o'clock until three o'clock
Eastern time.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
So what does this do to Did ESPN lose their coverage?
Speaker 4 (35:54):
No, no, it's just in addition to that.
Speaker 7 (35:56):
But they're providing options for more people to work. They
will still give you the featured group's option. I'm sure
Autmasters dot Com and on the Masters app also Amen
Corner Holes fifteen and sixteen. All of that will still
be featured, but your actual broadcast will just start earlier
and it will go from Amazon Prime over to ESPN.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
Okay. So the Masters, which used to be you can
ever watch everything, now you can see anything you want.
Speaker 7 (36:25):
You're starting to get yes, and it's a limited field.
There's usually only eighty five to ninety players on average
per year, so it's not like the USA, the US
Open where you can go from sun up to sundown
and watch play, or the Open Championship. This is a
limited There is a limited window, so there are so
many hours. But now you're getting twenty seven hours of
broadcast coverage over the Masters four days in augusta national
(36:49):
that's pretty good. Dallas Stars guard Page Becker's name the
WNBA's Rookie of the Year, not a un Adamus pick,
receiving all but two first place votes.
Speaker 4 (36:58):
Doug.
Speaker 7 (36:58):
The Stars did not make the WNBA playoffs, but tonight
there are two games. Atlanta's at Indiana, Las Vegas is
at Seattle, and.
Speaker 1 (37:07):
That's press by get out there and Pressed.
Speaker 3 (37:09):
That was the press have.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
Not mentioned Phillies clinch the NL East wild game at
the Ravine. That's probably why Jason was so down today.
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