October 14, 2025 • 38 mins
On this installment of Tuesday Morning Quarterback, Doug and the crew bring up the stories that we left on the cutting room floor from Monday. Doug welcomes former Heisman Trophy winner and current FOX Sports college football analyst Matt Leinart on to disucss James Franklin, Indiana football and all of the other headlines around college football. Pus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through The Press.
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he's on time, and we'll talk some sc Notre Dame,
the twentieth anniversary of the Bush Push Crazy Right and
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Wilson Talk Penn State that coaching job being open and
kind of the landscape of college football. It is a Tuesday,
which means it allows us a chance to flush out
any topics we didn't get to yesterday. That's what we
call it. Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Tuesday to kid, this is Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon.
Mondays can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we
didn't get to on Monday. Yeah, this is Tuesday morning
quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
All right, Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon stuff we
might have missed on yesterday. What do you got there,
Dan Byron, you're chump chumping at the bit. I can
just see it.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
What do you got Doug? Yes, a bunch of things
on my mind. But first and foremost, the big news
of the last twenty four to forty eight hours was
the Titans firing of Brian Callahan as their head coach.
I know one Jason Stewart loves a bit of a
conspiracy theory or a different sort of maybe angle, But
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I think it's easy to say, why did the Titans
do this?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Now?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Like why are they doing this after a one in
five start to the season. On the surface, he say well,
because they're one in five. They haven't been good. They
had a stinker of a game against the Raiders after
a miraculous win where really they only played a quarter
of good football against the Arizona Cardinals. That's the reason
why Brian Callahan was dismissed. I think you could also
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say Brian Callahan has not acted like a head coach.
He's been snippy with reporters. He screamed at Will Levis
multiple times last year. Just was not of that head
coach ilk. I think that that is fair. But why now,
why after week six? Why when you have a buy
coming up in week ten where you could make a
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transition and allow the interim to come in. Oh, I
know why. Because you don't want Mike Rabel and the
Patriots to go in and completely dominate your organization and
rub it in that they let him go a couple
of years ago for Brian Callahan, That's why they did
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it this past week. There was some controversy that Titans
ownership was not at the press conference to announce the
dismissal of Brian Callahan yesterday, But it just seems funny.
With a stretch against New England, Indianapolis, and the Chargers,
and after you've been on the road for three straight
weeks that the Titans have that you finally get back
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home and you say, hey, enough's enough, Brian Callahan, You're
not set for that job.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
No.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I think they didn't want to be embarrassed and have
Mike Rabel and Mike Vrabel still may do it, but
dominate the guy that they had replace him in the
first place. I know that there's different people in different
places in the front office, but ultimately I think there's
a reason why ownership didn't show up yesterday, and that's
why I think Brian Callahan got fired after week six.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I think there's a lot too that I was thinking
kind of the same thing yesterday, But I also thought
this to that end, Dan, don't you also think that
Mike Rabel has offered up the kind of contrast that
led to the decision period Just take out the fact
that they played each other this week. That Mike Vrabel's
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success ultimately led to Callahan's early dismissal. Because Vrabel is
doing amazing with a brand new team after five weeks
and Callahan's doing the opposite. I think it was baked
into the decision.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
In other words, sure, that's absolutely fair, but I just
don't think it's a coincidence. These big moves are usually
made in different times and not to come off of
a three game road trip. By the way, if you
were to say to start this season, then you have
two games at home and you were one and five,
You're like, Okay, I could kind of see it. I'm
not saying that he deserved to keep his job. It's
just interesting the timing of it totally.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I want to talk about your team, Dan, Right. The
one of the big signings in the offseason was Sam
Donald moving the Seahawks, and because he's had such a
well traveled career, Right obviously failed with the Jets, didn't
last the early success, but ultimately I guess failure with Carolineaup,
back up with San Francisco, and then that huge year
last year, only to play poorly his last two games
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with the Vikings.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
There were a lot of.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
People like, dude, Sam Donald's really a backup. He's a
product of Minnesota system. They're play calling, their coach, their personnel.
You watched every snap, so I don't. And he did
throw a big pick the week before, Right, he did
throw a big pick Now he got hit and hit
up a helmet and there's some bad luck. But I
mean Sam Donald threw not through half the season yet.
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Is it fifteen hundred yards, eleven touchdowns, stre interceptions. Is
he the greatest quarterback on Earth? No, but I'm gonna
go with above average.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Well, he was great last year. He was in the
MVP candidate conversation. And then you're right. Those last couple
of games were enough for people to move off of
Sam Donald so much so that the Seahawks actually got
a discount from paying Gino Smith to pay Sam Donald
what they paid him. Now, I will say, and I
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haven't seen every snap because our shows have been in
a couple of couple of windows that the Seahawks have played,
but saw him this past weekend against Jacksonville was really good.
Donald loves to throw to his number one option. So
guess what, Jackson Smith and Jigba has reaped the absolute
benefits of that. He has been an unstoppable force right
now for the Seahawks. Leads the NFL and receiving yards
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does JSN And when you look at their schedule, Doug,
I other than to make your top three, they're four
and two. They lost to the forty nine ers in
comeback fashion, but they were driving at the time. And
then there was the fumble by Sam Darnold at the
end when Nick Bosa was able to cause pressure to
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lose the football, and then the interception off of the
off of the helmet that Tampa Bay ended up kicking
a field goal, but Seattle had the football tied at
thirty five at that point. There's a case to me
maybe that maybe they could have been six and zero.
You know, some of those things go their way. But
they are really good. I still think they're a defensive team,
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and they can't run the ball right now, at least
effectively as they would have hoped. But they are a
really really good football team.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Case too.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Thank you. I'll take it from here.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Thank you, Doug.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I'll take it from here now. I don't know if
Doug you caught that. It was very subtle, in a
very Damn Buyer esque way. He basically called you an
idiot for not including the Seahawks, and.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
The team did not call him an idiot.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
No, no, no. The subtle somemost symbolism like subtle in
the Mary Wow, you should have had him in your
top three duck and there's no excuse. According to Dan Barr,
this has become it's it's becoming quietly and slowly my
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favorite topic in the NFL. Aaron Glenn Doug covered it
a little bit with middel Cough last hour, but I
kind of wanted to dig a little deeper to this.
So what's his name? Mayo? For the Patriots? Gerrod Mayo
was released unceremoniously for the aforementioned Mike Rabel after one season,
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but he did make it through that one season. Urban
Meyer did not write that was such a circus he
was in over his head in Jacksonville that he did
not last a complete season. I think Aaron Glenn is
going to be somewhere in between. I think he's going
to be the guy that only gets a year, maybe
less the entirety of this season. But I think what's
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going to it's going to speed up the process of
his dismissal is the way he is choosing to handle
the New York media. There's a way to handle the
New York media and then there's a way to handle
Detroit media as an assistant coach. If you handle the
New York media as a head coach, or manager the
way he has chosen to, it's going to get very ugly,
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very quickly. They have yet to win yet, and this
week provided a great example. All of this based on
Remember the opening press conference when the overwhelming take in
our talk space was man Aaron Glenn won the press conference.
Did you hear what he said yesterday.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
To any players that's here, now, put your seat belts
on and get ready for the ride. Put your seat
belts on and get ready for the ride.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
There are going to be some challenges, but what challenges
becomes opportunity gets opportunity.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
But here's what I do know.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
We're the freaking New York Jet, so we're built for.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
The Okay, so the buckle up, and this is going
to be a ride. We had no idea. In the
moment that he met, he was telling his players and
the fans get ready for this Aaron Glenn ride where
you're gonna suffer a lot of lows. And then I'm
going to try to compensate it by being dismissive with
reporters and acting all condescending with people that are they're
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handing me simple questions like this one when he was
asked about Justin Fields as his quarterback and his future
on Sunday Justice Knock knocking the steam. No, is he
going to be your quarterback next week?
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Or when you come on?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Man, what kind of question is that?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Hey, now your game.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
There's a number of guys that you know, I mean
sometimes this league is like this and there are guys
that have bad games.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
That doesn't mean you just bnch them. Come on, you
know better than that.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Aaron Glenn also kind of mishandled the last minutes of
the actual game against the Broncos that they had to
chains to win. But the real head scratcher was what
happened at the end of the first half. And I've
still yet to be given an explanation as to why
he did this. Remember, they did that punt of fake
for a first down to seemingly buy time to try
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to score before the end of the half, and they
just chose to sit on the ball and let the
clock go down, as opposed to do with every single
team in the history of football has done at that
point and try to hail Mary from the fifty yard
line at the end of the half. There might be
a tad bit of a risk that it would be
intercepted and taken the other way, but coaches usually don't
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factor that into the equation. So he was all defiant
and belligerent with the press who had the audacity to
ask him the question afterwards, and then yesterday he had
a one point eighty. I guess the press was right
for answering to the question that point.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
I thought it was a lot of confusion going on
because first down, no, first down, I say, guys, let's
just get out the half, right, because we're getting the
bone in the second half. But yes, but I would say,
if I could take man, let's run it down. Let's
get ready to throw the hill.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Mary.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
So I'm with you on that. That's a mistake that
I made, and I hold myself accountable for that.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Losing, how you're losing, and the way you're choosing to
handle a big party of your job, which is the media,
I think is going to lead to an early dismissal.
He might make it through the end of the season,
what do you guys think.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I think he definitely makes it through the season. I
don't think it was a good weekend. I think he'll
make it in the next year. And the Jets are
so desperate for stability. They may keep a coach who's
not good enough, but I definitely think I'll make it.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
To the year's Sorry, Dan, let's just fun quickly. I
just want to say, let's keep in mind you look
at the Jets. They've had three two point losses to
like some quality teams. So you just scratch your can you
just scratch your head because we find a new way
to lose.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I don't know if that's a credit to Aaron Glenn
or a disc to Aaron Glenn, like they should be better, Yeah, yeah,
like you should have a better record, they should have
some wins well yeah, or that like coaching is the
difference in the close games. I think that that could
be taken that way. I agree with Doug. I think
that Glenn's purpose is to try to change the culture there.
I think his reaction to the Justin Fields question was
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absolutely performative. But I think it's different than Nathaniel Hackett.
When Nathaniel Hackett came in as the head coach of
the Broncos and had that decision to settle for a
sixty yarder right out of the gate in Week one
against Seattle, and then things didn't get better from there
that I think that I think it's different in that
situation because I don't think Glenn is there to be
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the offensive or defensive mind like Hackett was there for
the offense and to blend his offense. Yeah, he's just
to get energy.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
He's the energy guy.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Yeah, yeah, tough guy.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yes, yes, set the culture. Dan Campbell that that's what
he's trying to lose.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Let the coaches coach. I'll just oversee motivate, motivate, motivate motives. Yeah, yeah,
you and I were locked up here, all right. Well
that is Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon.
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especially leading up to the cause and the anniversary twentieth
anniversary of the Bush Push. But help me out. Where
are you on where we've turned the corner here in
college football? Coaches getting fired UCLA three games in Milma matter,
three games in now, Jamie Franklin six games in? Where
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are you on this growing trend in college football?
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Uh? Yeah, I mean, listen, it's there. There's so many
there's so many moving parts in college football, right in
college athletics in particular. You and I both know an
il portal. But it's just it's just it's just different.
It's a different era. I as a as a fan
and just someone who loves the game and loves watching
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these kids play and all that. Like, I hate it
for I hate that part of it. I hate this.
I hate the fact that these players are there at
Penn State and a coach that recruited them and and
and like you see like all the players coming out
and posting and like how much games did for them.
You hate to see that, right because these players are
there for them and again we know the reverse of
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that as coaches lead to go take a better job,
and so on and so forth. But I hate it, man,
I hate it. I hate it for the player. I
hate it for the fans. It doesn't feel fair, and
now those kids are kind of stuck with like like
what now, what's next? It becomes a distraction, It becomes
a lot of things, right, So I think that's the
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short answer. I understand the business side. I understand, you know,
from the administration side, and some of these positions of like, hey,
we got to do this now because because of the portal,
like you want to get ahead, you want to, like
the recruiting, like there's a there's a lot that goes
into it. But you know, fortunately I never dealt with that,
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right I can only imagine that. I've kind of thought
about this, like what would I do if, like I
was there and Pete Carroll got fired like six games in,
like like I don't know if I would have stayed,
Like I don't know how the trajectory of my career
would have went, you know. So I do I do
hate it though, for the players, man, I really do.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, I do too, And I think I think what
we have here is we have this idea that somehow
it helps you in the portal. And again I can
only tell you from actual experience. Uh, it doesn't because
because even though like we call it the dark portal, right,
like guys that we know are gonna go in the portal,
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you get to mid season, like everybody knows that's gonna happen,
Like unless you have a new staff there, that that
doesn't matter, right, that just it doesn't matter. Now you
can put somebody in place to begin the process in
terms of your general manager, and they can help you
with your your search, but that that doesn't I don't know.
My thing is, I don't think anything is gained. You
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don't get any ground. You're just telling people, Hey, we're
gonna have a whole new football team next year.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Yeah, I mean I do agree. I mean and yeah,
obviously you know this as well as anybody. But I
do think there is a point of like if you're
gonna do it, then just if you're craft at Penn State,
and obviously there's a lot of pressure and this is
just building up this year, right, and it's still crazy
to think, like like like they're one play away from
beating Oregon a couple of weeks ago and being probably
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the number one team in the country and who knows.
Right then then you know, like that gives them some
ament of and if not, it's just spiraled, right, But
like there's a lot of pressure there. It kind of
felt like like if not now when like like let's
just let's just do this now and we can like
to try and get ahead and like and like again,
we still got to get a staff. And now the
guys that were going after are probably going to be
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playing in December and January, so they're still like I
just think it was like, let's make the decision now
and not in January. So at least we have an
idea and we can Isn't there in a row.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Matt, isn't there isn't there a a isn't there a
time in between January? Like again, they were one play
away from being Oregon, one play away from uh from Northwestern.
If he doesn't aler doesn't get hurt, who knows what
happens on fourth down whatever? Right, he did win two
games in the playoff last year, and I get it,
like at some point you get to the like, here
we go again not winning big games. I'm not saying
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you can't fire coaches. I'm not saying you can't fire
coaches with a game left. I don't understand the mid season. Hey,
let's especially when here's my issue with it. You know,
because you've been to Penn State, you've been to some
of these places. They all want to they all want
to position themselves as we're kind of holier than now,
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right like we're the Big ten. We do things the
right way. The guys that don't, that's the sec they're
doing the exact same stuff. It's there's no different there.
So don't don't tell me you're you're different, you're special.
That would be my thing. You can fire them, fire
them with a game left, and then you have senior
Day and it's his last day. Everybody hugs everybody's own,
this is over. You got plenty of time to go
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off into the portal and do whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Would that make sense?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Well, they're and they're not gonna I mean they're not
gonna I mean they're not gonna hire a coach until
probably at least December anyway.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
So they're gonna hire a sitting head coach.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Yeah, yet exactly, So the point is valid. Uh, And
again you can look to kind of the just the
I think the pressure that was mounting up with the
fan base and and all of that, and then you
lose your quarterback and it's just like you almost just
like James, We're gonna let you go now so we
don't have to deal with that. Yeah, I get it. Again,
I I hate it like I hated it for for
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you know, for Gundi Oklhoma State. I hate it for Ucla. Now.
You're seeing Ucla because of that, you're seeing them now
win so that you know you could obviously, but but
the whole mid season, early season, Yeah, it's just it's
not a great. Look. I don't get it. There's a
lot of things like the poor I don't like the
portal either, you know, like I think now that the
one portal now is great, but like it's just you know,
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you and I are old school obviously, Yeah, the old
school mentality is a little bit different. It is. It
is different now. But again, like I said, man, a
lot of a lot of moving parts. Obviously, that's a
huge job opening. We'll see what happens. But uh, I
feel for the players, dude, I really do.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Okay, let's let's get to let's get to the brass tacks,
the big ten outside of Ohio State. I value your
opinion because your eyes are different than everybody else's eyes.
Is it at the same level as the SEC?
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
When the SEC has like, you know, eight teams or
something in a rank the Big Ten? These school the
Penn State falling off, Oregon losing at home, uh, Michigan
not being as good as they used to be. What's
your opinion of two through whatever, two through five or
six of the Big Ten versus two through five or
six in the SEC.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yeah, I mean, I think the I think the interesting
thing is and I think the SEC is a great conference.
They've been they've been. I mean, obviously the two national
champions are too latest to come from the Big Ten.
I would just say this right about the SEC. And again,
preseason rankings are the worst because they prop teams up.
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They're in there for no reason. Every you know this,
every team is different, Every season is different. It's like
you haven't played anybody, so you know the the you know,
like the perfect example. And I just I just texted
as someone like LSU. LSU's ranked tenth in the country.
They ranked tenth in the country. They have not like
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go look at go look at their the resume right
now and tell me why they are ranked tenth in
the country. Like they beat Clemson, who's three and three
week one, We all Clemson's top five. That can't like
like we prop these teams up by we like you know,
the people who are voting, and it doesn't like like
LSU's not the tenth ranked team in the country. Ole
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miss just just barely beat Washington State, who lost by
forty to North Texas, I believe, But we're propping them
up because every week is a battle on the road
and this and that and like and again, that's just
that's just the sec point that I'm making right now.
I don't think like you look at the big ten
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right now, I think outside of I think Indiana's really good.
I think they're they're they're legit, legit Ohio State, Indiana,
And I think Oregon right the top three are very
good and those top three can beat any top three
in America in my opinion. And after you get that USC,
I think there's still question marks. Michigan is still question marks.
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I think washing team is really good. But again, like
you know, like I just think there's this like mirage
of like who's really good and who's not because of
this propped up ranking and then they just stay in there.
Like Texas is four and two and somehow they're in
the top twenty five. But Washington is five and one
with a pretty good resume and they're not even in
the top twenty five, you know what I mean. So
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to answer your question, like like teams three through eight,
you know, like, yeah, I think I think SEC is
probably favored in all of those games, right because I
think Texas, A and M is really good. I think
I think Bama's really good. Georgia is just good because
you know Tennessee. But I don't know, I think some
of these teams they just get propped up. Like I
don't think Vanderbilt is as good as probably people think
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they are. Missouri, Like like Missouri hasn't beaten the soul.
They played Alabama tough, but they literally look at their
they literally haven't beaten anybody, yet they're still in the
top twenty. You know, So again and again, you can
people can do that for the Big Ten as well.
It goes both ways. So I think the Big Ken's
a great conference. I really do that. Obviously we covered
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the Big Ten, but I got mad respect I think
Bama's playing as well as anybody in the country. I
think Georgia is dangerous as they just figure out ways
to win because of that culture and Kirby smart. But
some of those teams I'm just not sold on being
that highly ranked.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Matt Leoner joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Can USC block and penetrate the
lines of Notre Dame?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Yes, I'm not as worried about. Offensively, our offense is
really good. Like our offense, you know, even in the
game against Illinois, we're pretty pretty pretty dominant in that
game for the most part of his turnovers you can happen.
Last week was a great game for USC perception, narrative,
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confidence in that locker room. Really most importantly to go
out there and beat a team like that, because still
I think Michigan's a good team, and their DNA is
a line of scrimmage, right whether they're eight and four,
ten and two's that's they're very good upfront. Notre Dame
is a totally different beast, and it comes down to
the same thing for me if I'm watching it, if
I'm a fan, can our front four and I say
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front four. Can our front four? Can we can we
stop the run with four five six guys and play
pass coverage Because the difference between Notre Dame and the Michigan
Michigan's one dimensional. Bryce Underwood is really talented. I think
he's going to be great. He's not there yet in
the past game, they're just not there and they haven't
shown that. Notre Dame is different. CJ. Carr is a stud.
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Like this kid is probably a top five pick in
two years. I think in this four game win strength,
they're averaging three hundred passing two hundred rushing. So that's
the problem. Like this is a totally different beast than
what we just saw also on the road. So to
answer your question, I don't know. Like that that's the challenge.
Like I'm I value that win versus Michigan is one
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of the biggest wins probably for this program, definitely the
biggest win for Lincoln Riley. There's there's no doubt in
the way it was won. Because it can it can
slowly change the perception. But you know this, the difference
between good and great is consistency. Like great teams consistently
play that way at a high level and win and
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win these types of games, and I'm not I don't
know if we're that yet, you know, and this is
a this is a game to find that out.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of of Matt Lioner. What what did happen to Oregon?
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
How how did orgon that look like the best team
in the country goes you know, they go into Penn
State and get a win? How how did Indiana go
and do it?
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Well? They they I mean this, this is the craziest thing.
You watch that tape, Like they got dominated the line
of scrimmage, like like Oregon, who's really good on both
front It's like they're they're very good. And I still
I still feel very highly about Oregon, Like I don't
look at that loss and be like man like, like
I think we I think we we we respect Indiana
more after that. The defensive line. The interesting thing with
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that was Indiana excuse me, defensive line and front just
completely outplayed them, like their front that was the difference.
And that was what was shocking. I Mean, they got
some good players up there, but like they dominated them
on their home field. And you know, and I think
the thing about Dante more is and he's really good.
That kid's really good. He's going to be great. He's
(27:37):
still young, right, he hasn't he hasn't really, you know.
Obviously the Penn State game was was an overtime game
on the road, and that's that's a tough environment. And
and maybe now Penn State's obviously not as good as
everyone saw, but that's still a pretty good defense. And
he was able to uh kind of control that game
because their defense kept them in it. This one was different.
(27:58):
It just it just was different. Indiana's no yoke man like,
they're tough, they're confident. Their offense is really really good.
But that d line was nasty. That was a difference.
So they just that game was close, but they they
were in control of that game for four quarters. Like
they never felt out of control of that game. And
I'm telling you what, Doug, Indiana is going to run
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the table and they're going to be most likely it's
going to be Ohio State Indiana in the Big Ten
championship game, which is just bananas.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
That that is that's that is bananas.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
So you're working with Abbott on a blood drive here
with the anniversary of the Bush Push. How does it work?
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Yeah, so so Abbot. They started this campaign last year
we Give Blood Drive campaign. I was a part of
it last year. This is year two. So basically they've
teamed up with every school in the Big Ten, all
eighteen schools, and it's a competition basically to see whatever
school can donate that most blood will win a million
dollars to advanced student or community health for their school.
(28:58):
So there's a big incentive the winner. It's announced at
the title game December sixth, the Big Ten Championship game.
Some key numbers DOUG just to keep an ony. Last year,
about sixty thousand lives were saved. Every donation saves up
to three lives. This year so far over one hundred
and ten thousand lives have been saved, which is amazing
and we're only halfway through the season. So it's just
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just people have showed out and showed up for this
year too. It's really great.
Speaker 8 (29:25):
Man.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Someone needs blood every two seconds. There's a massive blood shortage.
There's just crazy numbers. I've learned as I've as I've
teamed up with this with the Abbot of the last
couple of years. So it's just it's a great cause.
Abbit's amazing. Obviously they're working with the Big ten schools.
Everyone's kind of you know, obviously competed and to have fun,
but it's for a greater cause. Big ten dot org
(29:49):
backslash abbot is is where you can go to find
the location near you university or the city you live in.
You can donate for your school. You can just go
donate for someone close you are family members, someone you
know that needs blood, or just donate for the cause
in general. So it's a great cause. Appreciate you. Let
me talk about it. Man. It's it's again, like I said,
of one hundred and ten thousand people saved.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
So far, Carson Palmer took over Santa Margarita, Big one
sag and Santa Margherita took down your old al modern
modern day nuts. I mean, look, I know you got
cold and everything. I'm just wondering when you're gonna go
and put the headset on and take back modern day,
to take back to take back the league.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
You dude, you go, you go, Tustan, I'll go modern
day man, let's do it. You know what it was.
You know, my oldest son was there we're not there anymore.
We obviously love modern day. I was. I saw that
score and I'm like, what seven to six? But like Gush,
I got Lenny Vander made over at USC, got Carson
(30:54):
t J. Huschmanzati had a lot of buddies I know
over there. So I actually watched I think Santa Marguerita
played Mission Via Hill week one. It was like the
game and we actually watched that on TV and I
think they lost, but it was like, all right, and
now all of a sudden, I mean that's that's a
I mean, that's a huge win for them. So I'm
not sure what's happened on today. Two losses and they
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still got Bosco. But pump for Carson Man, like you know,
his son fletches there. He's gonna be the quarterback there
probably next year. I told my wife this, you know,
She's like, she's like, she wants me to be you
know what it was the old coaching Friday night lights
like Chris Chandler or yet whatever, I forget. She wants
(31:35):
me to be that in like ten years. So when
I retire from TV and anything else that I'm doing.
My little boys are five and a half and four.
So in about ten years, you might see me on
the headset of you know, maybe Merret Coast over here
in Manhattan Beach or somewhere, you know, to get out
there and call some plays.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
Man.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
But until then, I enjoy what I do, dude. But
I will say that I was going to say this.
You would be proud of me. I got two new
hits for the last couple of years, right, I feel good.
I'm in my Tuesday night rec league. I'm averaging about
twenty points a game. I'm playing outside the three point line.
It's a thirty five and older league, some good players.
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But you'd be proud of me, man, I'm I'm showing up, dude.
I got a game. I got a game tonight, so.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I expect nothing less than buckets. I don't you pass it.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
I just I just you won't find me inside of
the key, dude. I just I just heave up threes
and hope they go in.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
No, it's so funny. It's like when I play, I
got to get back to playing. Some I'm just coaching
takes away that time or whatever. Yeah, But when I
do play, guys like you pass a lot in college, Like, yeah,
I passed in college. I'm not passing anymore.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
That's sick. You were. I mean you were a great pastor,
that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I definitely was not a great shooter. Matt, You're the
best man. Best of luck to your men of Troy
this weekend. Can't wait to see you on the set
of Big Name Kickoff. That show keeps getting better and better.
And appreciate all the folks that have but what they're
doing with this blood drive.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Thanks for our guest, all right, appreciate you. That me
man good.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
That's a Heisman Trophy winner and two time national champion,
Matt Lioner joining us on the show.
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Speaker 4 (33:42):
Iron Maiden hashtag irons up? The fortieth anniversary today of
Live After Death, Live after Death, Live after Death forty
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Thank you, Iron Maiden hashtag Iron Up.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I went
with my daughter Grace to an Iron Maiden concert at
the Was it the what is it called? Now, it's
not the Pond Arrow? Was it Honda Center's Stone?
Speaker 4 (34:17):
That sounds right?
Speaker 5 (34:18):
All right?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Sure that tracks. Let's get to the press with Dan
byr Denny the Press.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I do want to point out a couple of things
that happened last night. I know Jason does as well.
I think you guys dive into it on the pod,
but mine comes on the football side of things. How
interesting last night in that Commander's Bears game that a
bounce doesn't go the Commander's way. What a difference a
year makes with Washington. Now they're three and three. They
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have a good win over the Chargers on their ledger. However,
as a whole, I think a lot of people were
expecting big things from the Commanders, not me. I picked
them to miss the playoffs because not everything is gonna
go your way like it did last year. And I
felt last night was a perfect example of that of
having the game in hand, gets misty, it's raining, and
(35:10):
all of a sudden, Jane, Jayde and Daniels can't hold
on to the snap. You get a fumble. Bears recover,
capitalize and win the football game. Last night in.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
DC, Bears stop bearsh Yeah, and it is. It is
one of those things where last time they played, remember
they had the lead, they lost in a hail Mary.
Last year the Bears that they won on some pluky
stuff against the Packers in Green Bay, they lost on
a fluky dwinker down in Chicago. And what happens is,
(35:42):
you know, sometimes it is just luck. It's just about it.
Like some years the ball goes in, some years the
ball does not. And it feels like maybe this is
a sign of things changing. It's a lot like my chargers, right,
Jayce and I Jayse is like, hey, they still charged.
The only difference is that instead of getting sacked Jester
herbrute normally would he shook the sack through it to
Lad maccak. You got them in the field goal range.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Sure. My point about the Commanders, though, is everything went
right for them last year.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Right some years ago?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, things are going wrong and you're like, oh, they're
really not that good.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Correct, Yep, just like the Bills weren't as good as
people thought. Maybe they were through the first four weeks
of the season despite being four and oh and now
it's kind of showed over the last couple of weeks.
Do we want to talk about that double play that
happened last night in Milwaukee?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Do it y doing ninety seconds? You give me ninety
seconds to talk about a play that's very nuanced.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I was I was told that you guys dug deep,
dug deep in the pod ten to fifteen minutes just
on this one play.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Yeah, you're talking about the play that warranted Colin Cowherd
to say this in the opening of his show.
Speaker 8 (36:49):
Well, there are no Dodger games without drama.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
There.
Speaker 8 (36:54):
Screenwriters couldn't do a better job.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
They didn't have it on my bingo card.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
I would challenge that. I would say screenwriters would do
a real good job. Remember, screenwriters wrote a movie about
a snail winning then, so I'm guessing they could come
up with a script where a double play is made
off a basis loaded in the fourth inning of an
NLCS game.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
By the way, was that Greg twoey on drums? Can
we hear that again?
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Snare drum?
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Was that Greg two?
Speaker 8 (37:26):
Well, there are no Dodger games without drama. Screenwriters couldn't
do a better job.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
The ringo, star of Fox Sports Radio, uh and Bucks,
Forward Annis and tet Koopa, says he'd like to finish
his career in Greece. Okay, okay, okay, that's so inside,
but that's the press.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Okay, I get out there and pressed.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
That was the press.
Speaker 7 (37:52):
All right.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
We got Dodgers against the Brewers. Hopefully it gives us more.
Check out the podcast. We do go into in depth
about it. He wants to play in Greece, but when
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he's on time, and we'll talk some sc Notre Dame,
the twentieth anniversary of the Bush Push Crazy Right and
(01:05):
Wilson Talk Penn State that coaching job being open and
kind of the landscape of college football. It is a Tuesday,
which means it allows us a chance to flush out
any topics we didn't get to yesterday. That's what we
call it. Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Tuesday to kid, this is Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon.
Mondays can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we
didn't get to on Monday. Yeah, this is Tuesday morning
quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
All right, Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon stuff we
might have missed on yesterday. What do you got there,
Dan Byron, you're chump chumping at the bit. I can
just see it.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
What do you got Doug? Yes, a bunch of things
on my mind. But first and foremost, the big news
of the last twenty four to forty eight hours was
the Titans firing of Brian Callahan as their head coach.
I know one Jason Stewart loves a bit of a
conspiracy theory or a different sort of maybe angle, But
(02:13):
I think it's easy to say, why did the Titans
do this?
Speaker 4 (02:17):
Now?
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Like why are they doing this after a one in
five start to the season. On the surface, he say well,
because they're one in five. They haven't been good. They
had a stinker of a game against the Raiders after
a miraculous win where really they only played a quarter
of good football against the Arizona Cardinals. That's the reason
why Brian Callahan was dismissed. I think you could also
(02:41):
say Brian Callahan has not acted like a head coach.
He's been snippy with reporters. He screamed at Will Levis
multiple times last year. Just was not of that head
coach ilk. I think that that is fair. But why now,
why after week six? Why when you have a buy
coming up in week ten where you could make a
(03:02):
transition and allow the interim to come in. Oh, I
know why. Because you don't want Mike Rabel and the
Patriots to go in and completely dominate your organization and
rub it in that they let him go a couple
of years ago for Brian Callahan, That's why they did
(03:23):
it this past week. There was some controversy that Titans
ownership was not at the press conference to announce the
dismissal of Brian Callahan yesterday, But it just seems funny.
With a stretch against New England, Indianapolis, and the Chargers,
and after you've been on the road for three straight
weeks that the Titans have that you finally get back
(03:44):
home and you say, hey, enough's enough, Brian Callahan, You're
not set for that job.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
No.
Speaker 3 (03:49):
I think they didn't want to be embarrassed and have
Mike Rabel and Mike Vrabel still may do it, but
dominate the guy that they had replace him in the
first place. I know that there's different people in different
places in the front office, but ultimately I think there's
a reason why ownership didn't show up yesterday, and that's
why I think Brian Callahan got fired after week six.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
I think there's a lot too that I was thinking
kind of the same thing yesterday, But I also thought
this to that end, Dan, don't you also think that
Mike Rabel has offered up the kind of contrast that
led to the decision period Just take out the fact
that they played each other this week. That Mike Vrabel's
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success ultimately led to Callahan's early dismissal. Because Vrabel is
doing amazing with a brand new team after five weeks
and Callahan's doing the opposite. I think it was baked
into the decision.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
In other words, sure, that's absolutely fair, but I just
don't think it's a coincidence. These big moves are usually
made in different times and not to come off of
a three game road trip. By the way, if you
were to say to start this season, then you have
two games at home and you were one and five,
You're like, Okay, I could kind of see it. I'm
not saying that he deserved to keep his job. It's
just interesting the timing of it totally.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
I want to talk about your team, Dan, Right. The
one of the big signings in the offseason was Sam
Donald moving the Seahawks, and because he's had such a
well traveled career, Right obviously failed with the Jets, didn't
last the early success, but ultimately I guess failure with Carolineaup,
back up with San Francisco, and then that huge year
last year, only to play poorly his last two games
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with the Vikings.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
There were a lot of.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
People like, dude, Sam Donald's really a backup. He's a
product of Minnesota system. They're play calling, their coach, their personnel.
You watched every snap, so I don't. And he did
throw a big pick the week before, Right, he did
throw a big pick Now he got hit and hit
up a helmet and there's some bad luck. But I
mean Sam Donald threw not through half the season yet.
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Is it fifteen hundred yards, eleven touchdowns, stre interceptions. Is
he the greatest quarterback on Earth? No, but I'm gonna
go with above average.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
Well, he was great last year. He was in the
MVP candidate conversation. And then you're right. Those last couple
of games were enough for people to move off of
Sam Donald so much so that the Seahawks actually got
a discount from paying Gino Smith to pay Sam Donald
what they paid him. Now, I will say, and I
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haven't seen every snap because our shows have been in
a couple of couple of windows that the Seahawks have played,
but saw him this past weekend against Jacksonville was really good.
Donald loves to throw to his number one option. So
guess what, Jackson Smith and Jigba has reaped the absolute
benefits of that. He has been an unstoppable force right
now for the Seahawks. Leads the NFL and receiving yards
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does JSN And when you look at their schedule, Doug,
I other than to make your top three, they're four
and two. They lost to the forty nine ers in
comeback fashion, but they were driving at the time. And
then there was the fumble by Sam Darnold at the
end when Nick Bosa was able to cause pressure to
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lose the football, and then the interception off of the
off of the helmet that Tampa Bay ended up kicking
a field goal, but Seattle had the football tied at
thirty five at that point. There's a case to me
maybe that maybe they could have been six and zero.
You know, some of those things go their way. But
they are really good. I still think they're a defensive team,
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and they can't run the ball right now, at least
effectively as they would have hoped. But they are a
really really good football team.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Case too.
Speaker 4 (07:40):
Thank you. I'll take it from here.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Thank you, Doug.
Speaker 4 (07:44):
I'll take it from here now. I don't know if
Doug you caught that. It was very subtle, in a
very Damn Buyer esque way. He basically called you an
idiot for not including the Seahawks, and.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
The team did not call him an idiot.
Speaker 4 (07:57):
No, no, no. The subtle somemost symbolism like subtle in
the Mary Wow, you should have had him in your
top three duck and there's no excuse. According to Dan Barr,
this has become it's it's becoming quietly and slowly my
(08:19):
favorite topic in the NFL. Aaron Glenn Doug covered it
a little bit with middel Cough last hour, but I
kind of wanted to dig a little deeper to this.
So what's his name? Mayo? For the Patriots? Gerrod Mayo
was released unceremoniously for the aforementioned Mike Rabel after one season,
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but he did make it through that one season. Urban
Meyer did not write that was such a circus he
was in over his head in Jacksonville that he did
not last a complete season. I think Aaron Glenn is
going to be somewhere in between. I think he's going
to be the guy that only gets a year, maybe
less the entirety of this season. But I think what's
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going to it's going to speed up the process of
his dismissal is the way he is choosing to handle
the New York media. There's a way to handle the
New York media and then there's a way to handle
Detroit media as an assistant coach. If you handle the
New York media as a head coach, or manager the
way he has chosen to, it's going to get very ugly,
(09:28):
very quickly. They have yet to win yet, and this
week provided a great example. All of this based on
Remember the opening press conference when the overwhelming take in
our talk space was man Aaron Glenn won the press conference.
Did you hear what he said yesterday.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
To any players that's here, now, put your seat belts
on and get ready for the ride. Put your seat
belts on and get ready for the ride.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
There are going to be some challenges, but what challenges
becomes opportunity gets opportunity.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
But here's what I do know.
Speaker 6 (09:59):
We're the freaking New York Jet, so we're built for.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
The Okay, so the buckle up, and this is going
to be a ride. We had no idea. In the
moment that he met, he was telling his players and
the fans get ready for this Aaron Glenn ride where
you're gonna suffer a lot of lows. And then I'm
going to try to compensate it by being dismissive with
reporters and acting all condescending with people that are they're
(10:26):
handing me simple questions like this one when he was
asked about Justin Fields as his quarterback and his future
on Sunday Justice Knock knocking the steam. No, is he
going to be your quarterback next week?
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Or when you come on?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Man, what kind of question is that?
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Hey, now your game.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
There's a number of guys that you know, I mean
sometimes this league is like this and there are guys
that have bad games.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
That doesn't mean you just bnch them. Come on, you
know better than that.
Speaker 4 (10:53):
Aaron Glenn also kind of mishandled the last minutes of
the actual game against the Broncos that they had to
chains to win. But the real head scratcher was what
happened at the end of the first half. And I've
still yet to be given an explanation as to why
he did this. Remember, they did that punt of fake
for a first down to seemingly buy time to try
(11:15):
to score before the end of the half, and they
just chose to sit on the ball and let the
clock go down, as opposed to do with every single
team in the history of football has done at that
point and try to hail Mary from the fifty yard
line at the end of the half. There might be
a tad bit of a risk that it would be
intercepted and taken the other way, but coaches usually don't
(11:35):
factor that into the equation. So he was all defiant
and belligerent with the press who had the audacity to
ask him the question afterwards, and then yesterday he had
a one point eighty. I guess the press was right
for answering to the question that point.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
I thought it was a lot of confusion going on
because first down, no, first down, I say, guys, let's
just get out the half, right, because we're getting the
bone in the second half. But yes, but I would say,
if I could take man, let's run it down. Let's
get ready to throw the hill.
Speaker 5 (12:05):
Mary.
Speaker 6 (12:05):
So I'm with you on that. That's a mistake that
I made, and I hold myself accountable for that.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Losing, how you're losing, and the way you're choosing to
handle a big party of your job, which is the media,
I think is going to lead to an early dismissal.
He might make it through the end of the season,
what do you guys think.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
I think he definitely makes it through the season. I
don't think it was a good weekend. I think he'll
make it in the next year. And the Jets are
so desperate for stability. They may keep a coach who's
not good enough, but I definitely think I'll make it.
Speaker 7 (12:37):
To the year's Sorry, Dan, let's just fun quickly. I
just want to say, let's keep in mind you look
at the Jets. They've had three two point losses to
like some quality teams. So you just scratch your can you
just scratch your head because we find a new way
to lose.
Speaker 3 (12:50):
I don't know if that's a credit to Aaron Glenn
or a disc to Aaron Glenn, like they should be better, Yeah, yeah,
like you should have a better record, they should have
some wins well yeah, or that like coaching is the
difference in the close games. I think that that could
be taken that way. I agree with Doug. I think
that Glenn's purpose is to try to change the culture there.
I think his reaction to the Justin Fields question was
(13:12):
absolutely performative. But I think it's different than Nathaniel Hackett.
When Nathaniel Hackett came in as the head coach of
the Broncos and had that decision to settle for a
sixty yarder right out of the gate in Week one
against Seattle, and then things didn't get better from there
that I think that I think it's different in that
situation because I don't think Glenn is there to be
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the offensive or defensive mind like Hackett was there for
the offense and to blend his offense. Yeah, he's just
to get energy.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
He's the energy guy.
Speaker 5 (13:43):
Yeah, yeah, tough guy.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Yes, yes, set the culture. Dan Campbell that that's what
he's trying to lose.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Let the coaches coach. I'll just oversee motivate, motivate, motivate motives. Yeah, yeah,
you and I were locked up here, all right. Well
that is Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
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And you get a national champion, two time national champion,
you get a Heisman Trophy winner, you get a guy
who you see on Big New Kickoff on Fox. And
you've got a guy who's joining us on behalf of
a really good cause. Matt Lioner joins us here on
The Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, Matt, I
got a lot of things I want to get to,
(14:40):
especially leading up to the cause and the anniversary twentieth
anniversary of the Bush Push. But help me out. Where
are you on where we've turned the corner here in
college football? Coaches getting fired UCLA three games in Milma matter,
three games in now, Jamie Franklin six games in? Where
(15:02):
are you on this growing trend in college football?
Speaker 5 (15:06):
Uh? Yeah, I mean, listen, it's there. There's so many
there's so many moving parts in college football, right in
college athletics in particular. You and I both know an
il portal. But it's just it's just it's just different.
It's a different era. I as a as a fan
and just someone who loves the game and loves watching
(15:26):
these kids play and all that. Like, I hate it
for I hate that part of it. I hate this.
I hate the fact that these players are there at
Penn State and a coach that recruited them and and
and like you see like all the players coming out
and posting and like how much games did for them.
You hate to see that, right because these players are
there for them and again we know the reverse of
(15:48):
that as coaches lead to go take a better job,
and so on and so forth. But I hate it, man,
I hate it. I hate it for the player. I
hate it for the fans. It doesn't feel fair, and
now those kids are kind of stuck with like like
what now, what's next? It becomes a distraction, It becomes
a lot of things, right, So I think that's the
(16:09):
short answer. I understand the business side. I understand, you know,
from the administration side, and some of these positions of like, hey,
we got to do this now because because of the portal,
like you want to get ahead, you want to, like
the recruiting, like there's a there's a lot that goes
into it. But you know, fortunately I never dealt with that,
(16:31):
right I can only imagine that. I've kind of thought
about this, like what would I do if, like I
was there and Pete Carroll got fired like six games in,
like like I don't know if I would have stayed,
Like I don't know how the trajectory of my career
would have went, you know. So I do I do
hate it though, for the players, man, I really do.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
Yeah, I do too, And I think I think what
we have here is we have this idea that somehow
it helps you in the portal. And again I can
only tell you from actual experience. Uh, it doesn't because
because even though like we call it the dark portal, right,
like guys that we know are gonna go in the portal,
(17:07):
you get to mid season, like everybody knows that's gonna happen,
Like unless you have a new staff there, that that
doesn't matter, right, that just it doesn't matter. Now you
can put somebody in place to begin the process in
terms of your general manager, and they can help you
with your your search, but that that doesn't I don't know.
My thing is, I don't think anything is gained. You
(17:29):
don't get any ground. You're just telling people, Hey, we're
gonna have a whole new football team next year.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
Yeah, I mean I do agree. I mean and yeah,
obviously you know this as well as anybody. But I
do think there is a point of like if you're
gonna do it, then just if you're craft at Penn State,
and obviously there's a lot of pressure and this is
just building up this year, right, and it's still crazy
to think, like like like they're one play away from
beating Oregon a couple of weeks ago and being probably
(17:55):
the number one team in the country and who knows.
Right then then you know, like that gives them some
ament of and if not, it's just spiraled, right, But
like there's a lot of pressure there. It kind of
felt like like if not now when like like let's
just let's just do this now and we can like
to try and get ahead and like and like again,
we still got to get a staff. And now the
guys that were going after are probably going to be
(18:17):
playing in December and January, so they're still like I
just think it was like, let's make the decision now
and not in January. So at least we have an
idea and we can Isn't there in a row.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Matt, isn't there isn't there a a isn't there a
time in between January? Like again, they were one play
away from being Oregon, one play away from uh from Northwestern.
If he doesn't aler doesn't get hurt, who knows what
happens on fourth down whatever? Right, he did win two
games in the playoff last year, and I get it,
like at some point you get to the like, here
we go again not winning big games. I'm not saying
(18:49):
you can't fire coaches. I'm not saying you can't fire
coaches with a game left. I don't understand the mid season. Hey,
let's especially when here's my issue with it. You know,
because you've been to Penn State, you've been to some
of these places. They all want to they all want
to position themselves as we're kind of holier than now,
(19:10):
right like we're the Big ten. We do things the
right way. The guys that don't, that's the sec they're
doing the exact same stuff. It's there's no different there.
So don't don't tell me you're you're different, you're special.
That would be my thing. You can fire them, fire
them with a game left, and then you have senior
Day and it's his last day. Everybody hugs everybody's own,
this is over. You got plenty of time to go
(19:31):
off into the portal and do whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (19:33):
Would that make sense?
Speaker 5 (19:33):
Well, they're and they're not gonna I mean they're not
gonna I mean they're not gonna hire a coach until
probably at least December anyway.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
So they're gonna hire a sitting head coach.
Speaker 5 (19:42):
Yeah, yet exactly, So the point is valid. Uh, And
again you can look to kind of the just the
I think the pressure that was mounting up with the
fan base and and all of that, and then you
lose your quarterback and it's just like you almost just
like James, We're gonna let you go now so we
don't have to deal with that. Yeah, I get it. Again,
I I hate it like I hated it for for
(20:02):
you know, for Gundi Oklhoma State. I hate it for Ucla. Now.
You're seeing Ucla because of that, you're seeing them now
win so that you know you could obviously, but but
the whole mid season, early season, Yeah, it's just it's
not a great. Look. I don't get it. There's a
lot of things like the poor I don't like the
portal either, you know, like I think now that the
one portal now is great, but like it's just you know,
(20:24):
you and I are old school obviously, Yeah, the old
school mentality is a little bit different. It is. It
is different now. But again, like I said, man, a
lot of a lot of moving parts. Obviously, that's a
huge job opening. We'll see what happens. But uh, I
feel for the players, dude, I really do.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Okay, let's let's get to let's get to the brass tacks,
the big ten outside of Ohio State. I value your
opinion because your eyes are different than everybody else's eyes.
Is it at the same level as the SEC?
Speaker 5 (20:55):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (20:55):
When the SEC has like, you know, eight teams or
something in a rank the Big Ten? These school the
Penn State falling off, Oregon losing at home, uh, Michigan
not being as good as they used to be. What's
your opinion of two through whatever, two through five or
six of the Big Ten versus two through five or
six in the SEC.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
Yeah, I mean, I think the I think the interesting
thing is and I think the SEC is a great conference.
They've been they've been. I mean, obviously the two national
champions are too latest to come from the Big Ten.
I would just say this right about the SEC. And again,
preseason rankings are the worst because they prop teams up.
(21:35):
They're in there for no reason. Every you know this,
every team is different, Every season is different. It's like
you haven't played anybody, so you know the the you know,
like the perfect example. And I just I just texted
as someone like LSU. LSU's ranked tenth in the country.
They ranked tenth in the country. They have not like
(21:58):
go look at go look at their the resume right
now and tell me why they are ranked tenth in
the country. Like they beat Clemson, who's three and three
week one, We all Clemson's top five. That can't like
like we prop these teams up by we like you know,
the people who are voting, and it doesn't like like
LSU's not the tenth ranked team in the country. Ole
(22:18):
miss just just barely beat Washington State, who lost by
forty to North Texas, I believe, But we're propping them
up because every week is a battle on the road
and this and that and like and again, that's just
that's just the sec point that I'm making right now.
I don't think like you look at the big ten
(22:39):
right now, I think outside of I think Indiana's really good.
I think they're they're they're legit, legit Ohio State, Indiana,
And I think Oregon right the top three are very
good and those top three can beat any top three
in America in my opinion. And after you get that USC,
I think there's still question marks. Michigan is still question marks.
(22:59):
I think washing team is really good. But again, like
you know, like I just think there's this like mirage
of like who's really good and who's not because of
this propped up ranking and then they just stay in there.
Like Texas is four and two and somehow they're in
the top twenty five. But Washington is five and one
with a pretty good resume and they're not even in
the top twenty five, you know what I mean. So
(23:21):
to answer your question, like like teams three through eight,
you know, like, yeah, I think I think SEC is
probably favored in all of those games, right because I
think Texas, A and M is really good. I think
I think Bama's really good. Georgia is just good because
you know Tennessee. But I don't know, I think some
of these teams they just get propped up. Like I
don't think Vanderbilt is as good as probably people think
(23:42):
they are. Missouri, Like like Missouri hasn't beaten the soul.
They played Alabama tough, but they literally look at their
they literally haven't beaten anybody, yet they're still in the
top twenty. You know, So again and again, you can
people can do that for the Big Ten as well.
It goes both ways. So I think the Big Ken's
a great conference. I really do that. Obviously we covered
(24:04):
the Big Ten, but I got mad respect I think
Bama's playing as well as anybody in the country. I
think Georgia is dangerous as they just figure out ways
to win because of that culture and Kirby smart. But
some of those teams I'm just not sold on being
that highly ranked.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Matt Leoner joining us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show
on Fox Sports Radio. Can USC block and penetrate the
lines of Notre Dame?
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Yes, I'm not as worried about. Offensively, our offense is
really good. Like our offense, you know, even in the
game against Illinois, we're pretty pretty pretty dominant in that
game for the most part of his turnovers you can happen.
Last week was a great game for USC perception, narrative,
(24:56):
confidence in that locker room. Really most importantly to go
out there and beat a team like that, because still
I think Michigan's a good team, and their DNA is
a line of scrimmage, right whether they're eight and four,
ten and two's that's they're very good upfront. Notre Dame
is a totally different beast, and it comes down to
the same thing for me if I'm watching it, if
I'm a fan, can our front four and I say
(25:18):
front four. Can our front four? Can we can we
stop the run with four five six guys and play
pass coverage Because the difference between Notre Dame and the Michigan
Michigan's one dimensional. Bryce Underwood is really talented. I think
he's going to be great. He's not there yet in
the past game, they're just not there and they haven't
shown that. Notre Dame is different. CJ. Carr is a stud.
(25:41):
Like this kid is probably a top five pick in
two years. I think in this four game win strength,
they're averaging three hundred passing two hundred rushing. So that's
the problem. Like this is a totally different beast than
what we just saw also on the road. So to
answer your question, I don't know. Like that that's the challenge.
Like I'm I value that win versus Michigan is one
(26:05):
of the biggest wins probably for this program, definitely the
biggest win for Lincoln Riley. There's there's no doubt in
the way it was won. Because it can it can
slowly change the perception. But you know this, the difference
between good and great is consistency. Like great teams consistently
play that way at a high level and win and
(26:26):
win these types of games, and I'm not I don't
know if we're that yet, you know, and this is
a this is a game to find that out.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
Stet Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the
voice of of Matt Lioner. What what did happen to Oregon?
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Right?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
How how did orgon that look like the best team
in the country goes you know, they go into Penn
State and get a win? How how did Indiana go
and do it?
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Well? They they I mean this, this is the craziest thing.
You watch that tape, Like they got dominated the line
of scrimmage, like like Oregon, who's really good on both
front It's like they're they're very good. And I still
I still feel very highly about Oregon, Like I don't
look at that loss and be like man like, like
I think we I think we we we respect Indiana
more after that. The defensive line. The interesting thing with
(27:15):
that was Indiana excuse me, defensive line and front just
completely outplayed them, like their front that was the difference.
And that was what was shocking. I Mean, they got
some good players up there, but like they dominated them
on their home field. And you know, and I think
the thing about Dante more is and he's really good.
That kid's really good. He's going to be great. He's
(27:37):
still young, right, he hasn't he hasn't really, you know.
Obviously the Penn State game was was an overtime game
on the road, and that's that's a tough environment. And
and maybe now Penn State's obviously not as good as
everyone saw, but that's still a pretty good defense. And
he was able to uh kind of control that game
because their defense kept them in it. This one was different.
(27:58):
It just it just was different. Indiana's no yoke man like,
they're tough, they're confident. Their offense is really really good.
But that d line was nasty. That was a difference.
So they just that game was close, but they they
were in control of that game for four quarters. Like
they never felt out of control of that game. And
I'm telling you what, Doug, Indiana is going to run
(28:19):
the table and they're going to be most likely it's
going to be Ohio State Indiana in the Big Ten
championship game, which is just bananas.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
That that is that's that is bananas.
Speaker 5 (28:30):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:31):
So you're working with Abbott on a blood drive here
with the anniversary of the Bush Push. How does it work?
Speaker 5 (28:37):
Yeah, so so Abbot. They started this campaign last year
we Give Blood Drive campaign. I was a part of
it last year. This is year two. So basically they've
teamed up with every school in the Big Ten, all
eighteen schools, and it's a competition basically to see whatever
school can donate that most blood will win a million
dollars to advanced student or community health for their school.
(28:58):
So there's a big incentive the winner. It's announced at
the title game December sixth, the Big Ten Championship game.
Some key numbers DOUG just to keep an ony. Last year,
about sixty thousand lives were saved. Every donation saves up
to three lives. This year so far over one hundred
and ten thousand lives have been saved, which is amazing
and we're only halfway through the season. So it's just
(29:21):
just people have showed out and showed up for this
year too. It's really great.
Speaker 8 (29:25):
Man.
Speaker 5 (29:26):
Someone needs blood every two seconds. There's a massive blood shortage.
There's just crazy numbers. I've learned as I've as I've
teamed up with this with the Abbot of the last
couple of years. So it's just it's a great cause.
Abbit's amazing. Obviously they're working with the Big ten schools.
Everyone's kind of you know, obviously competed and to have fun,
but it's for a greater cause. Big ten dot org
(29:49):
backslash abbot is is where you can go to find
the location near you university or the city you live in.
You can donate for your school. You can just go
donate for someone close you are family members, someone you
know that needs blood, or just donate for the cause
in general. So it's a great cause. Appreciate you. Let
me talk about it. Man. It's it's again, like I said,
of one hundred and ten thousand people saved.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
So far, Carson Palmer took over Santa Margarita, Big one
sag and Santa Margherita took down your old al modern
modern day nuts. I mean, look, I know you got
cold and everything. I'm just wondering when you're gonna go
and put the headset on and take back modern day,
to take back to take back the league.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
You dude, you go, you go, Tustan, I'll go modern
day man, let's do it. You know what it was.
You know, my oldest son was there we're not there anymore.
We obviously love modern day. I was. I saw that
score and I'm like, what seven to six? But like Gush,
I got Lenny Vander made over at USC, got Carson
(30:54):
t J. Huschmanzati had a lot of buddies I know
over there. So I actually watched I think Santa Marguerita
played Mission Via Hill week one. It was like the
game and we actually watched that on TV and I
think they lost, but it was like, all right, and
now all of a sudden, I mean that's that's a
I mean, that's a huge win for them. So I'm
not sure what's happened on today. Two losses and they
(31:15):
still got Bosco. But pump for Carson Man, like you know,
his son fletches there. He's gonna be the quarterback there
probably next year. I told my wife this, you know,
She's like, she's like, she wants me to be you
know what it was the old coaching Friday night lights
like Chris Chandler or yet whatever, I forget. She wants
(31:35):
me to be that in like ten years. So when
I retire from TV and anything else that I'm doing.
My little boys are five and a half and four.
So in about ten years, you might see me on
the headset of you know, maybe Merret Coast over here
in Manhattan Beach or somewhere, you know, to get out
there and call some plays.
Speaker 8 (31:52):
Man.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
But until then, I enjoy what I do, dude. But
I will say that I was going to say this.
You would be proud of me. I got two new
hits for the last couple of years, right, I feel good.
I'm in my Tuesday night rec league. I'm averaging about
twenty points a game. I'm playing outside the three point line.
It's a thirty five and older league, some good players.
(32:15):
But you'd be proud of me, man, I'm I'm showing up, dude.
I got a game. I got a game tonight, so.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I expect nothing less than buckets. I don't you pass it.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
I just I just you won't find me inside of
the key, dude. I just I just heave up threes
and hope they go in.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
No, it's so funny. It's like when I play, I
got to get back to playing. Some I'm just coaching
takes away that time or whatever. Yeah, But when I
do play, guys like you pass a lot in college, Like, yeah,
I passed in college. I'm not passing anymore.
Speaker 5 (32:40):
That's sick. You were. I mean you were a great pastor,
that's for sure.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
I definitely was not a great shooter. Matt, You're the
best man. Best of luck to your men of Troy
this weekend. Can't wait to see you on the set
of Big Name Kickoff. That show keeps getting better and better.
And appreciate all the folks that have but what they're
doing with this blood drive.
Speaker 5 (32:57):
Thanks for our guest, all right, appreciate you. That me
man good.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
That's a Heisman Trophy winner and two time national champion,
Matt Lioner joining us on the show.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
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Live After Death, Live after Death, Live after Death forty
years ago, one of the greatest live albums ever recorded.
Thank you, Iron Maiden hashtag Iron Up.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Doug Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. I went
with my daughter Grace to an Iron Maiden concert at
the Was it the what is it called? Now, it's
not the Pond Arrow? Was it Honda Center's Stone?
Speaker 4 (34:17):
That sounds right?
Speaker 5 (34:18):
All right?
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Sure that tracks. Let's get to the press with Dan
byr Denny the Press.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
I do want to point out a couple of things
that happened last night. I know Jason does as well.
I think you guys dive into it on the pod,
but mine comes on the football side of things. How
interesting last night in that Commander's Bears game that a
bounce doesn't go the Commander's way. What a difference a
year makes with Washington. Now they're three and three. They
(34:47):
have a good win over the Chargers on their ledger. However,
as a whole, I think a lot of people were
expecting big things from the Commanders, not me. I picked
them to miss the playoffs because not everything is gonna
go your way like it did last year. And I
felt last night was a perfect example of that of
having the game in hand, gets misty, it's raining, and
(35:10):
all of a sudden, Jane, Jayde and Daniels can't hold
on to the snap. You get a fumble. Bears recover,
capitalize and win the football game. Last night in.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
DC, Bears stop bearsh Yeah, and it is. It is
one of those things where last time they played, remember
they had the lead, they lost in a hail Mary.
Last year the Bears that they won on some pluky
stuff against the Packers in Green Bay, they lost on
a fluky dwinker down in Chicago. And what happens is,
(35:42):
you know, sometimes it is just luck. It's just about it.
Like some years the ball goes in, some years the
ball does not. And it feels like maybe this is
a sign of things changing. It's a lot like my chargers, right,
Jayce and I Jayse is like, hey, they still charged.
The only difference is that instead of getting sacked Jester
herbrute normally would he shook the sack through it to
Lad maccak. You got them in the field goal range.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Sure. My point about the Commanders, though, is everything went
right for them last year.
Speaker 4 (36:08):
Right some years ago?
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Yeah, things are going wrong and you're like, oh, they're
really not that good.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Correct, Yep, just like the Bills weren't as good as
people thought. Maybe they were through the first four weeks
of the season despite being four and oh and now
it's kind of showed over the last couple of weeks.
Do we want to talk about that double play that
happened last night in Milwaukee?
Speaker 4 (36:28):
Do it y doing ninety seconds? You give me ninety
seconds to talk about a play that's very nuanced.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I was I was told that you guys dug deep,
dug deep in the pod ten to fifteen minutes just
on this one play.
Speaker 4 (36:42):
Yeah, you're talking about the play that warranted Colin Cowherd
to say this in the opening of his show.
Speaker 8 (36:49):
Well, there are no Dodger games without drama.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
There.
Speaker 8 (36:54):
Screenwriters couldn't do a better job.
Speaker 1 (36:58):
They didn't have it on my bingo card.
Speaker 4 (37:01):
I would challenge that. I would say screenwriters would do
a real good job. Remember, screenwriters wrote a movie about
a snail winning then, so I'm guessing they could come
up with a script where a double play is made
off a basis loaded in the fourth inning of an
NLCS game.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
By the way, was that Greg twoey on drums? Can
we hear that again?
Speaker 4 (37:25):
Snare drum?
Speaker 3 (37:26):
Was that Greg two?
Speaker 8 (37:26):
Well, there are no Dodger games without drama. Screenwriters couldn't
do a better job.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
The ringo, star of Fox Sports Radio, uh and Bucks,
Forward Annis and tet Koopa, says he'd like to finish
his career in Greece. Okay, okay, okay, that's so inside,
but that's the press.
Speaker 4 (37:48):
Okay, I get out there and pressed.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
That was the press.
Speaker 7 (37:52):
All right.
Speaker 1 (37:52):
We got Dodgers against the Brewers. Hopefully it gives us more.
Check out the podcast. We do go into in depth
about it. He wants to play in Greece, but when
not soon? This is the Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Okay, okay, okay.
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