December 16, 2025 • 38 mins
In this installment of "Tuesday Morning Quarterback", Doug and the crew share the stories that were not covered on Monday. Doug reacts to Joel Klatt calling the NCAA Tournament Dumb and a joke. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through "The Press".
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Let's let's just get after it, shall we. I mean,
I could tell you that we got uh. Joel Klatt
had an epic rant that people are calling the worst
rant of all time. I'm gonna get to that. Plus,
(01:22):
there's the question now, with Aaron Rodgers looking like he's
gonna lead his team to a division championship, will he
be back for another year? Try and answer that this hour. First,
let's get to Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well, Tuesday, this is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Mondays can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we
didn't get to on Monday. Yeah, this is Tuesday morning
Quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Let's get after it. For more on that, let's go
to Jason Stewart.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Thank you, dog. I'll take it from here.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Thank you, dog, I'll take it from here.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
The this is a story that hasn't gotten any coverage.
It wasn't just yesterday. To me, it just hasn't gotten
coverage period. You know me, right, I'm less interested in
what happens in sports than how it's covered. I spend
a lot of my day coming through how things are covered,
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the reaction to the reaction. So I think I have
a pretty good perspective on this when I say nobody
talks about cam War, Uh, you know what, I hate
you using absolutes. Very few people choose to talk about
cam War. And remember the conversation going into the actual
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NFL draft six six months ago. It was astonishing how
little publicity cam Ward got as the top pick overall.
In the pre show, in the post show, it was
all about Shadu or Sanders. Shadu or Sanders sucked up
the ox the gym of the entire draft. And you
(03:03):
could say that fourteen to fifteen weeks in the NFL season,
that's still true. We're talking about Chaduur at a ratio
of one hundred to one. I don't know if cam
Ward has had a good season. I don't know if
he's had a bad season, because nobody has given me
their opinion of his season. So it proves one of
two things, that cam Ward is just that uninteresting and
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that Shaduur Sanders is that much more interesting. Or how
about this the Tennessee Titans have passed the Jacksonville Jaguars
as the most uninteresting team in the NFL. Nobody cares
about them enough to even talk about their rookie quarterback
taken first overall. Do you guys have theories on this?
Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
You're not wrong? Dan Buyer your theory? Ghead.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Yeah, no, I was gonna say this that I think
that Tennessee held the title for a while and then
Derrick Henry came in and Mike Vrabel took over and
changed the culture. But I felt they were the least
interesting team prior to that era, and now they're back
on top, so they've regained their number one spot. I
think them firing their head coach and not knowing who
is going to be the next head coach there hurts them.
(04:10):
But I just think cam Ward's overall standing and who
he is just doesn't necessarily resonate. I almost feel that
if Fernando Mendoza goes number one, and maybe a different
story because he's a Heisman Trophy winner and who knows
who may have the number one overall pick. But yeah,
this sometimes happens when you're the top quarterback in the draft.
(04:32):
And I agree with Jason. I just don't think that
cam Ward is that interesting, and I don't think that
the Titans are that interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, I mean the only thing interesting about then is
who are they going to hire next year? They're gonna
clean house or whatever, and it has been done with
other quarterbacks where they've been successful in year two. Also,
I think they opened a new stadium next year, Is
that right? Dan Byer is a.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Two years Yeah, I think it's going to be in
two years, So twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Seven, maybe they're decent by then.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Do you have any gauge on whether or not he's
having a successful season.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I mean no, I think they just think and nobody
cares to just think.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
I mean, he's it's.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
In sec country. Vanderbilt's more a better story.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean he's his numbers, his rating, and
his quarterback radering are comparable to Gino Smith. He's only
got eleven touchdowns, which is really low. Like he's just
not he's a fifty nine percent completion like he's not.
You know, there's really not a whole ride.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I was not a cam Ward guy. I think I
made that clear watching last year. I just just he
just had had A had a player for the Erratic.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
Well, he he did help the he did help Miami
get a lot of wins that they had their defense
let go or let you know, let the game get
out of control. So he had a lot of stand
up performances.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
But this year, no, what's unique about cam Morti is
because of his story of starring at you know, starting
at Incarnate Word, than Washington State and then Miami and
then he's a number one pick and then the story
just ends, like I even saw. I don't know if
it was a promo or something. I think there may
be a Cambord special on some streaming network about this
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amazing run to being the number one overall pick in
the draft. And I can't even remember what streaming service
it was on. So the story is there, but for
some reason we just do not care.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Okay, good job, Jay dan Byer.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
So the Titans actually lost to the forty nine ers
this past weekend, and I'll tell you what. We talked
more about the forty nine ers way. We talked way
more about the forty nine ers before brock Purty got
his deal than after brock Purty getting his deal. And
is that the reason why we aren't talking about the
forty nine ers because brock Purty got paid, because they're
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ten and four. Christian McCaffrey is he needs, he needs
a couple of good games with receiving yards. But with
three games left, all games likely meaningful. One maybe at
the end of the year, very meaningful. He could have
a thousand thousand seasons, thousand yards rushing, thousand yards receiving.
Only three players in NFL history have done that. He
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would be the first to do it twice. It was
Roger Craig and Marshall Falk, But Christian McCaffrey could do
that twice this year. And we aren't talking about the
forty nine ers at all. And I find that interesting
because they're in the thick of it, they're in the race.
But I feel like we talked about them more when
before brock Purty the question was about his contract, and
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now that he has his contract, we're like, all right,
we're done talking about him.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
And there's an interesting angle too that's come up just
in recent weeks, and this is Brandon Nyuk thing. Shanahan
had a great dismissive quote I think Sunday like that
guy hasn't even been around here. I don't even know
what he's doing, Like, you haven't got him in a month.
They pay a lot of money not to play, and
he supposedly was a really good receiver and he's an afterthought.
(08:00):
You're right, they're not really talking about it.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
They could still win that division and be the number
one overall seed. Now, certain things that have to happen,
but they could still happen. It still could happen. They
are they are going to make the playoffs. And let's
be honest, the Niners are a marquee team, right like
when you talk about the who's who are the haves
and the have nots like we talk. You could talk
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a lot about the forty nine ers, but for some reason,
we just aren't this year. I don't know if it's
because of their schedule. I don't know if it's because
it was the easiest strength of schedule entering this season
for them, But we just aren't having conversations about the Niners, Sam,
do you have a buyer's remorse in there?
Speaker 7 (08:41):
Dan?
Speaker 5 (08:41):
I had that. I can tell you what it is,
and it's actually an apology to onet Doug Gottlieb. Hey, Hey,
let's do this the right way.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
All right, but there's nothing quite like buyer's remorse.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
I can't remember if it was Bill Clinton or George
Bush or Roger Clemens or Rafael Marrow, whoever said misremembered, because.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I know that was that was Andy pennittt.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Independent Andy Pettitt. There, it was Andy Pettitt said.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
It did say something though Clemens is known for something.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Clemens said that Andy Pennett misremembered.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
That I miss remembered the Michaeh Parson's played. Doug, you
are one hundred percent correct it was a non contact
injury yesterday or on Sunday on grass. For some reason,
I thought that Micaeh Parsons was engaged and he was not.
And so my apologies to you. But for some reason
I was sure is anything that it was on an
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engagement and it was not. And so Doug, I had
remorse over that, and uh, essentially an apology for for
your correct assessment that I said was incorrect. Apology misremembers
there was there was I misremembered.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Let me tell let me have a big tell you.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
I think he misremembered.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well what I am? I like, I agree, like maybe
I was wrong, Like I don't know Dan knows. Dan
pays way more attention than I do. Like, I was
at a party with a bunch of people watching the
game and then I said it, and I was like, oh,
maybe it was right.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Yeah, I saw I got home last night.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
My faith, that's my faith. And how much you're right
more often than I am.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Well, I appreciate that, but I was dead wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Uh I. I know we talked about it, Okay, but
I know we talked about it, but I feel like
I'll tell you it deserves ah an apology is Brian Flores.
Brian Flores, he was the head coach of the Miami Dolphins. Now,
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there's a lot of reasons he lost his job, none
of which are because he's black. I'm sorry, there's just
not the whole the front office that said us or
him was all black too, so that it just didn't
make any sense. But reportedly, the big thing was that
he didn't a habit. He got to a stunk, right,
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and when the general manager squares by a quarterback and
the owner sides of the general manager and they ride
with that guy. That's why Flora's a big reason that
and offensive coaches couldn't work for him or whatever. That's
why he's he was out of a out of a job,
and now he's a he's in Minnesota. I just this
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has been here the whole time. And the Miami thing
with putting out videos in practice of him throwing deep
balls and trying to go see you're wrong Twitter verse.
It's a lot like when dudes lie right. You always
tell when somebody's lying because they go into super super
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detail about what really happened, and you're like, yeah, now
I know you're lying. No you don't understand. But that
was Jimmy was sitt over there. I was sitting here.
Speaker 8 (11:57):
I remember because I was wearing my blue pants and
he was wearing black fans. And then Vivie was over there, like, dude,
you're like again the Dolphins trying to tell us that
were one hundred percent wrong about the quality of Tua's arm.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Like the proof is in the put in. The guy
can't play in cold weather, and he plays for the
Miami Dolphins who play in the AFC East. It's not working. Additionally,
he's immobile, he's already been hurt. I'm I'm gonna tell you,
Like he seems like a really nice dude. That's the
worst contract in the NFL, because if they cut him,
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it's ninety nine million dollars in dead cap money. He's
already guaranteed fifty four million dollars since March for next
year salary. That's and this is this is what it is. Right.
He wins six every year looks the same for them,
They win six seven games. And I know that they
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had some character issues and when Tyreek Hill was gone,
it made them better. When Jalen Ramsey has gone and
made them better. But what happens with those hardcore dudes
is when you can't do it, they call you out
for not being able to do it. And I'm sure
that's part of it. No, no, no, it's Tyreek Hill?
Or is it Tyreek Hill? Play with a guy who
just doesn't have a good enough hard dan? Did you
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have one more?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Hey, Doug grow Faster's the hot one. Someone's on the
hot line. It's uh, Deshaun Watson's contract. Take an issue
with you calling Tua's contract the worst in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, you're right, you're right, but uh, maybe it's a
sneaky bad contract. Can I go sneaky bad?
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Worst contract given to a person born in Hawaii?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
There you go, or worse contract of somebody who's not
a complete perf. Is that better?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
That's fair? Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
And then and then here here's the last one. Last one.
Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon. I just want to
celebrate like this. I've been doing this a long time.
I can't remember a time when the Chargers won more
games that they had opportunities to lose that they usually
give away. And it's pretty awesome to watch because you're
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sitting there and the old Charger fan in you and
I know this was you, Jason Stewart, the old Charger fan,
was like, we're gonna find a way to lose this game,
and they found a way to win the game. Granted
it's Carter Minshew, he didn't have an arm. Chiefs are
very good, but they find a way. They actually find
a way. And what's interesting about starting with the Titans
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as you did, Jason Stewart, is I've often thought that
up until they started Charging and it became kind of
the laughing stock in the NFL. The Chargers were like
the least discussed team in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I just were true.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
And that is Tuesday minuting quarterback in the afternoon Tuesday, Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Here you have it your Tuesday Morning quarterback in.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
The after coming out. Actually, Doug show coming up. I'll
go ahead, Jay stew I'm.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Sorry, Uh did we leave Sam out? Did you have something? Sam?
Speaker 6 (15:08):
Because it is the holiday season, I was going to
bequeath or leave my Tuesday morning quarterback option to Doug
or Dan who sounded like they had more than one.
I did want to just say good morning. We were
talking about Hawaii. Good morning Hawaii. It is ten sixteen
on the island in island time. So if anybody did
want to get to anything later in the show on
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my behalf, it's like a it's it's a rain check
for your holiday season.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Give it.
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Speaker 2 (15:48):
It's the Doug I Leave show at Dan Byer is
so happy. If you're listening to the podcast, you're gonna
have to remember back to yesterday when Dan Byer told
us his favorite Christmas album was the Kenny Rodgers Christmas Album,
which I was saying, banked pocketed, and then again you
don't get it on podcasts. I'll rejoin music is uh,
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Kenny Rogers, these are a few of my favorite things.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Yeah, my favorite things. Yep. It's been covered by many,
but I love this version. So Kenny Rogers, Okay, I'm.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Gonna have some fun with this. I did do a
My lights in my office aren't working. I have turned
them off anyway, So all right, here's what I'm gonna do.
I did actually an All Ball podcast on this because
it was it was great. I'm gonna play for you
what Joel Klatt he was on another podcast yesterday or
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maybe it was a radio show. It's called the Next
Round podcast. He was a guest, and let's just play
both cuts back to back. Guys, here's Joe Klett. He's
talking about having James Madison included, having Tulane included, and
comparing it with the NCAA men's basketball tournament. Take a listen.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
The reason the group of five is included in this
playoff is to avoid anti trust litigation. That's it, guys,
Like we're not looking for a Cinderella. Nobody cares in
football about James Madison or or you know the equivalent
of George Mason going. Didn't George Mason go to the
Final four or something like that. Nobody cares in football
about that. We don't want cinderellas. We want the best
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teams playing each other at the end. In fact, hot take,
I mean like the hottest of all takes that I've
ever had in my entire life. The NCAA Basketball Tournament
is a joke. It's the dumbest tournament and the least
fair tournament in all of sports. We go and put
we put teams at odd times on neutral sites in
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a one game affair like that doesn't crown a true chance.
We're not doing anything that tells us who's the best
team over the course of the entire season.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
You know what's really weird about that? So the NCAA
Men's Basketball Tournament is a win or you go home tournament. Right.
The NCAA Division One College football Playoff is a one
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game elimination. If you lose, you go home tournament. Additionally,
if he thinks that's not the way to determine the
best team, and I actually would agree with him, it
would be fair to point out that Ohio State lost
to Michigan the last regular season game of last year.
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And then I think technically was an eight seed that
went all the way in won a championship. If his
issue is neutral sites after the first round, the College
fall Playoff is also on neutral sites. They're also at
random times and in random locations. So what he is
railing against is what college football has replicated. Now in
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terms of fairness, you can look at this one of
two ways. You can say, like he does, it's the
least fair. Ever, because it doesn't value the regular season.
That would be fair, would be fair. But if that's
your argument, well then you have to say, Alabama's in
the College Football Playoff, they lost their last game in
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the SEC championship game, they lost two big games in
the SEC. How is it fair? How do we value
the regular season if they lost three games. Other teams
only lost only lost two and they're not playing. Or
you could say the most fair thing you could do
is you take whatever this is the ten best and
then the two best from the non powerful conferences, and
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you let him play and if you win, you get
to keep playing. That's actually the most fair way of
doing it. Talk about fairness. So and then, of course,
the big trigger that everyone is going to get triggered
by is the NCAA Tournament is a joke. Now, if
you said I don't think it's the proper way or
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the best way to select a true champion, I'm not
gonna argue with you. I completely agree with you. The
NBA Finals is probably the best, although too many games.
I even like he had the the he had pods
and then out of the pods you go kind of
like the World Cup style. I don't know if that's
a great way to do it, because then you have
point differential. That doesn't work to me either. But if
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his issue is, hey, I don't like that, it's win
or go home, and that's not how sports is supposed
to play, college football has mirrored, is trying to mirror
the NCAA tournament. He's not wrong. Nobody really wants the Cinderella.
He's not wrong that the only reason they're in there
is a void litigation. And he's not wrong. That not wrong.
That's not the best way to pick the truest of champions.
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But he's wrong in that everything the NCAA Tournament does
college football is trying to emulate, trying to copy, and
they're trying to copy it because it's remarkably popular.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Dan, what do you think I think that the point
about the n your point about the NCAA tournament, and
Joel Klatt is I would agree with you that I
agree on the premise of everything, but that doesn't mean
that it's it's correct. And I agree that I think
that the NBA is the fairest way to go about
it just because of the number of games that you're playing,
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even like Baseball's playoffs, I mean, it's.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Not really fair.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
No, it's a it's a different sport than the when
you play for him, sixty two games.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Yeah, yeah, you got a three game series here, a
five game series there. It does it does make the
the NBA's best. And so I agree on that point.
Speaker 9 (22:07):
There.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
On that point, I don't want you to lose this.
But on that point, the World Series about about a
lot of World Series champ merch In recent years, Humble Brack.
You know, Baseball has stopped calling their champion a world champion.
I think it's they're called the World Series champion. In
other words, the Dodgers have won the silly baseball tournament
that happens in October. They're not necessarily the best team
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in baseball. They might just coincidentally be that. But I
think if if, maybe that's where NCAA Basketball gets it wrong.
He's not the national champion. He was that tournament that
everyone loves in March's.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Champ you know, I think they've stopped calling him world
champs because of the World Baseball Class Baseball Classic.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
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what I like about about Joe Klatt. There's a a
smugness to his delivery, which I I'm if I'm honest
with myself, I have that ability to be to be
so confident in my take that it can be that
because there there's just a smugness to it. I can't
explain what it is, you know, but when he says
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it's a joke, it's like you have Twitter people like
on fire, like why are you talking? I love the
NCAA tournament, Like, actually listen to what he says. Now,
I don't think the NCAA tournament's a joke. I think
it's it's comically hypocritical that he's saying he doesn't like
the NCAA tournament for having a winner go home scenario
on a neutral field, which is exactly what we have
in college football. Like what do you? What are you even?
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What are you actually being critical of? But I do
think that the smugness the leading with the NCAA tournament's
a joke, saying it's going to be a hot take
and then supporting it with an argument that I actually
think again has some validity. But people just freak out
over the trigger words early on the take and they
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can't actually decipher what he's saying.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Would you say, though, that the top seeds in the
men's in men's basketball tournament, because that's what he was
talking about? Yeah, do get an advantage with the close
regional sites?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Yeah, yes?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
And look the number one seed has lost twice. They've
had a sixty fourteen field since nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Eighty five, I thought it was winning.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Okay, we'll go with eighty five. That would be forty years,
So in forty years it's happened twice. There's four games
a year. Forty times four is one hundred and sixty.
So somewhere in the one hundred and one hundred, one
hundred and fifty eight in two variety is what one seeds.
Essentially it is a bye. It's an active buy. Right
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when one hundred and fifty eight out of the one
hundred and sixty times the number one seed wins, it's
essentially a bye. So my point is that the one
seeds do get a bye. And actually, in terms of
fairness and valuing the regular season, he's right in that
you'll have below five hundred in conference play, Big ten SEC,
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Big twelve ACC teams play in the field, which you're like, wait,
what we're But they're trying to find the problem with
the NCAA tournament. And this is what he didn't say,
is you're trying to serve two masters, trying to serve
the master of being fair and finding a champion, and
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that's nearly impossible to do. Nearly impossible to be fair
and have a champion.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
I also think this that any sport would love to
find what their gold mine is in college basketball for
as much as Doug. I mean, you're in the sport,
but you also love the sport as much as I
do as well. And I would even put Sam in that, like,
we find value in the regular season, but I think
that's tough for a lot of other people to do so.
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But to be able to find the value the gold
mine that they have with March, I think that other
sports would love to have that, and that they would
be jealous of it. I mean the NBA Playoffs now,
as fair as it may be, it's starting to become
a drag for how long that it lasts. I mean
it's from mid April to mid June. And while that's fair,
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I don't know how many people love that aspect of it.
And the NBA is trying to find all these different
formats to keep people interested during the year. At least
college basketball has something.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
You know. What's interesting is I used to do the
highest rated hour in Kansas City. I used to be
on with Siren Petro. He's on WHB shout out to Surin,
so Surin. I used to go back and forth, and
the best point he ever made is, like people who
yearn for the bowl system, if the Bowl system was
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a good system. How come nobody try to copy it?
Whereas and to your point, Dan, the NCAA tournament is
the one that everybody tries to copy. So while Joel
may not enjoy it or think it's the best way
to decide a championship, the people have spoken and they
do now. I also know that the real thing that
they actually love is the bracket. The bracket just works.
(27:27):
That's the most valuable part of it. You know, even
when you go to sixty eight to seventy two teams,
they're only gonna have one bracket, and it's the fight
to get in that bracket. That's the true value of
the tournament.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
Here's here's another thing that I it works. It could
work with college basketball, works, Doug with with your team
and your conference is your league sorts itself out and
at the end you have one team that you put
in the bracket. Yes, you could do that in college football.
You could do that with every conference. You could have
a Big Ten tournament and say the Big Ten winner
(27:57):
goes on and plays the bracket. The problem is is
the commissioners don't want that because the Big Ten doesn't
want to choose between Indiana and Ohio State and Michigan
and who gets in the bracket. But those schools, Like
you could have a postseason Big ten tournament and say,
all right, it's Indiana against Iowa and one weekend in
Ohio State against Oregon and another and the winner of
that plays a championship game and then you go into
(28:19):
an eighteen bracket for whatever. Like you could do that,
but nobody wants that. Nobody would want that sort of format.
That would maybe even be more fair. You think, you know,
a Georgia Alabama championship game after Georgia beat Ole Miss
and Alabama beat Texas A and M in a semi final, Like,
I think that would all be exciting, but the commissioners
wouldn't want something like that.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I look, I actually think that world would exist if
we had the old conferences, you know, if you had
to pack ten, if you had the Big eight, if
you had the or even Big twelve.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Yeah, the ACC, the SEC, they're more equitable.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yep. Too many good teams, and that's what we're trying
to be fair even when it's it's not. Stut Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio, as I waxed poetic about Aaron Rodgers
and watching him play football for the teenth time on
Monday Night Football. There is this thought that, dude, what
(29:14):
if they make the playoffs, they win the division, they
win a game, and Aaron's like, you know, I kind
of like this. Here's Aaron Rodgers. I'm playing for the Steelers.
Speaker 10 (29:23):
I love being here in the city. I love the organization.
It's been a lot of fun for me to be
able to play for Mike Tomlin. There's a lot of
good guys on this team, Guys that care about it,
guys that feel like they've got a lot to prove.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I do think when you hear his voice, it's up, Hey,
I'm only here for a minute, right. It's been really good,
really good. But I don't know, not crazy to think
he'd come back. It's like, what else are you gonna do?
Because once you stop playing football, you kind of stop
playing football. I know, Philip Rivers is the exception is
the exception, not the rule. But fels like they're gonna
(30:00):
win the division, and if you go back two weeks ago,
you'd be like, no way, and the answer is way,
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You want to hear it's that.
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Dan Bayer for the Press.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
The Press, Doug, We start out with news that may
not be news, but it's still news. Dan Patrick earlier
today on The Dan Patrick Show had Chargers head coach
Jim Harbaugh on talking football but also talking about what
went on at Michigan with Sharon Moore. Here was a
(31:44):
part of that conversation earlier today on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 11 (31:48):
When's the last time you talked to Sharon Moore?
Speaker 12 (31:50):
Early December? But I have texted.
Speaker 11 (31:52):
Him nothing since he was arrested, just text How are
his spirits?
Speaker 9 (31:57):
I think it's a trag what uh the worst days
of his life and uh, you know, keep it together
and and uh and take care of your family. That's
you know, that's the message. And I getting spiritual guidance,
you know, is really critical.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
So Harbaugh has been in contact, but they just haven't
spoken to each other since everything went down last week.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah, I didn't, you know, that's that's a tough one.
That's one of those. Hey, I'm just here for you, buddy,
anything I can do. Can you get me my job back?
Speaker 5 (32:29):
But anything Well, speaking of his now vacant job, DP
asked Harba about it.
Speaker 11 (32:34):
Are you helping Michigan at all find their head coach?
Speaker 12 (32:38):
No, I'm not all focuses on uh the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Okay, so on the surface, completely reasonable, right.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
But yeah, but but there's there's definitely tension there. Yeah,
no question, no question, no question, definitely not great feelings.
And again we can sit there and go like, well,
Charon Moore, like there's there's probably a series of things.
I'm sure he feels like he was thrown under the
bus with the NCAA findings and how they handled it, whatever,
(33:12):
just whatever. But that is not a warm and cheesis.
I love my alma mater. Nope. So you're the coach
that rebuilt the program, won the national championship. You told
them to hire Sharon Moore this time around, they got
to hire somebody, and you're not giving any heads up,
you're not giving any advice. Nope.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
I do think that there's could be the sense that
Michigan wants to go all away from anything Harbaugh related.
But it's also the fact we forget that Jim Harbaugh
did interview for NFL jobs the season before he won
a national championship. He did, so like those you know,
those those facts are true as well that the well,
as you said, he loves his alma mater, the connection
(33:50):
there may not be as strong as it would.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Well, remember, his alma mater dialed him back some contract wise. Remember, Yeah,
after the first couple of years when they were not
great and I'm sure, like, guys don't forget that stuff.
They just don't know.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
Jason, you went in on the first part of the
Harbaugh conversation.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
On the first sound bite, and you, guys tell me
if I'm wrong. Did did he actually say that he
told Charon to take care of his family? Just take
care of your family? That's all I could say. Let's
let's hear it again.
Speaker 11 (34:20):
When's the last time you talked to Sharon?
Speaker 12 (34:22):
More early December? But I have texted.
Speaker 11 (34:25):
Him nothing since he was arrested, just text how are
his spirits?
Speaker 12 (34:30):
I think, I think it's a tragedy. So what the
worst days of his life?
Speaker 9 (34:35):
And uh, you know, keep it together and and uh
and take care of your family.
Speaker 12 (34:39):
That's you know, that's the message. And I getting spiritual guidance.
You know is really critical, is it.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Can't you make the case that him not taking care
of his family is what caused the tragedy?
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Yes, of course you can.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
But I mean, again, this is what Jim Harbaugh said,
he just take care of your family.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Sure there was there, It's like, what do you say, Like,
what do you say?
Speaker 4 (35:04):
I'm exceptionally disappointed in him. I mentored him. I was disappointed.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I understand, but what did you say to him? You
don't say that to him in a text.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Yeah, I think again.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I'm telling you having having screwed up at various moments
in my life. I remember, I can just tell you,
like I remember, like here's a here's a probably too
much inside my life thing. You guys, remember I used
to always park at the Whole Foods right next to work,
where you could plug in sure he charged, because there
used to not be Tesla charging across the way or whatever.
(35:37):
So I was there for months that my first five
months working nothing. And then one day my car got
towed and I was trying to get home for my
son's baseball game and I had to go get my
car out of tow, and then you gotta pay a
bunch of money and my nowlex wife, you know just
I mean, it was like twenty minutes on the phone
about you know, there's a sign there it says now
(36:00):
or blah blah blah blah blah blah, Like I already
feel bad. I don't need you, I got it. I
I I'm remorseful. I can't go back and move the
car now and park in our parking lot, which By
the way, the parking lot of tenants are the worst
human beings on earth at Fox Sports Radio, they just are.
They're just horrible people. I'm kidding. They're not that bad,
(36:21):
but they're annoying.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
We got new ones. Yeah, oh I leave now we
got good.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
There's still a severe lack of surveillance in our parking garage.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
Yeah, but the old regime was very stringent. I wasn't
a fan.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Oh my gosh, like I work here when park here, less,
I work here.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
I did see photos of Sureon Moore and his wife
post arrest. Have you guys seen those? Sure So she's
I guess, in a way sticking sticking by him through this.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Maybe I'm reading too much into the photos, but I
have seen that.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
You know, I don't know, to go to your mom's,
go to your dad's or whatever, get get back out
of town, whatever, and maybe you try and work through it.
I don't know. We don't know. We don't know if
it was a thing, it was a playing, if it
was over what it was, you know, maybe it was
an affair and you know, they want to work through it.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Wasn't it reported goes back a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Dan, Yes, there's been lot and there's also been lots
of things that have been reported. I don't know what's true.
All I know is it's super uncomfortable, Like, eh, take
care of your family. Then you just send the text like, oh,
should I said that? Whatever?
Speaker 6 (37:29):
How about just let the legal process play out and
there will be a light.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I mean, you can't be like merry Christmas, Like, what's
so mary about Christmas? Right now?
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Here's if he were to say, this is not to excuse,
but if you were to say, make sure your kids
are okay, I think that's understandable, right, Like more so
than take care of your family? Is that fair? Jason? Yeah, Like,
are you questioning the use of the little Okay? But
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Can't that mean that I don't know. I do think
we're nitpicking a little bit here. He's like, you know,
it's just yeah, take care of your family.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Former Alabama head coach Nick Saban has purchased a minority
stake in the Nashville Predators. Really yeah, huh.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Hey, if there's anybody who works for the Blackhawks, let
me know. I'm trying to take my team. On the
thirtieth to the Blackhawks game. Okay, shout out, shout out
to the Blackhawks never.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Been and that's games. That's the press, actually was the press.
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Let's let's just get after it, shall we. I mean,
I could tell you that we got uh. Joel Klatt
had an epic rant that people are calling the worst
rant of all time. I'm gonna get to that. Plus,
(01:22):
there's the question now, with Aaron Rodgers looking like he's
gonna lead his team to a division championship, will he
be back for another year? Try and answer that this hour. First,
let's get to Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
Well, Tuesday, this is Tuesday Morning Quarterback in the afternoon.
Mondays can be overwhelming. Tuesdays are getting to whatever we
didn't get to on Monday. Yeah, this is Tuesday morning
Quarterback in the afternoon.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Let's get after it. For more on that, let's go
to Jason Stewart.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Thank you, dog. I'll take it from here.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Thank you, dog, I'll take it from here.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
The this is a story that hasn't gotten any coverage.
It wasn't just yesterday. To me, it just hasn't gotten
coverage period. You know me, right, I'm less interested in
what happens in sports than how it's covered. I spend
a lot of my day coming through how things are covered,
(02:20):
the reaction to the reaction. So I think I have
a pretty good perspective on this when I say nobody
talks about cam War, Uh, you know what, I hate
you using absolutes. Very few people choose to talk about
cam War. And remember the conversation going into the actual
(02:40):
NFL draft six six months ago. It was astonishing how
little publicity cam Ward got as the top pick overall.
In the pre show, in the post show, it was
all about Shadu or Sanders. Shadu or Sanders sucked up
the ox the gym of the entire draft. And you
(03:03):
could say that fourteen to fifteen weeks in the NFL season,
that's still true. We're talking about Chaduur at a ratio
of one hundred to one. I don't know if cam
Ward has had a good season. I don't know if
he's had a bad season, because nobody has given me
their opinion of his season. So it proves one of
two things, that cam Ward is just that uninteresting and
(03:25):
that Shaduur Sanders is that much more interesting. Or how
about this the Tennessee Titans have passed the Jacksonville Jaguars
as the most uninteresting team in the NFL. Nobody cares
about them enough to even talk about their rookie quarterback
taken first overall. Do you guys have theories on this?
Am I wrong? Am I wrong?
Speaker 5 (03:46):
Guys?
Speaker 2 (03:46):
You're not wrong? Dan Buyer your theory? Ghead.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
Yeah, no, I was gonna say this that I think
that Tennessee held the title for a while and then
Derrick Henry came in and Mike Vrabel took over and
changed the culture. But I felt they were the least
interesting team prior to that era, and now they're back
on top, so they've regained their number one spot. I
think them firing their head coach and not knowing who
is going to be the next head coach there hurts them.
(04:10):
But I just think cam Ward's overall standing and who
he is just doesn't necessarily resonate. I almost feel that
if Fernando Mendoza goes number one, and maybe a different
story because he's a Heisman Trophy winner and who knows
who may have the number one overall pick. But yeah,
this sometimes happens when you're the top quarterback in the draft.
(04:32):
And I agree with Jason. I just don't think that
cam Ward is that interesting, and I don't think that
the Titans are that interesting.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, I mean the only thing interesting about then is
who are they going to hire next year? They're gonna
clean house or whatever, and it has been done with
other quarterbacks where they've been successful in year two. Also,
I think they opened a new stadium next year, Is
that right? Dan Byer is a.
Speaker 5 (04:53):
Two years Yeah, I think it's going to be in
two years, So twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Seven, maybe they're decent by then.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
Do you have any gauge on whether or not he's
having a successful season.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
I mean no, I think they just think and nobody
cares to just think.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
I mean, he's it's.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
In sec country. Vanderbilt's more a better story.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Yeah, absolutely, I mean he's his numbers, his rating, and
his quarterback radering are comparable to Gino Smith. He's only
got eleven touchdowns, which is really low. Like he's just
not he's a fifty nine percent completion like he's not.
You know, there's really not a whole ride.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
I was not a cam Ward guy. I think I
made that clear watching last year. I just just he
just had had A had a player for the Erratic.
Speaker 6 (05:35):
Well, he he did help the he did help Miami
get a lot of wins that they had their defense
let go or let you know, let the game get
out of control. So he had a lot of stand
up performances.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
But this year, no, what's unique about cam Morti is
because of his story of starring at you know, starting
at Incarnate Word, than Washington State and then Miami and
then he's a number one pick and then the story
just ends, like I even saw. I don't know if
it was a promo or something. I think there may
be a Cambord special on some streaming network about this
(06:05):
amazing run to being the number one overall pick in
the draft. And I can't even remember what streaming service
it was on. So the story is there, but for
some reason we just do not care.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Okay, good job, Jay dan Byer.
Speaker 5 (06:20):
So the Titans actually lost to the forty nine ers
this past weekend, and I'll tell you what. We talked
more about the forty nine ers way. We talked way
more about the forty nine ers before brock Purty got
his deal than after brock Purty getting his deal. And
is that the reason why we aren't talking about the
forty nine ers because brock Purty got paid, because they're
(06:43):
ten and four. Christian McCaffrey is he needs, he needs
a couple of good games with receiving yards. But with
three games left, all games likely meaningful. One maybe at
the end of the year, very meaningful. He could have
a thousand thousand seasons, thousand yards rushing, thousand yards receiving.
Only three players in NFL history have done that. He
(07:05):
would be the first to do it twice. It was
Roger Craig and Marshall Falk, But Christian McCaffrey could do
that twice this year. And we aren't talking about the
forty nine ers at all. And I find that interesting
because they're in the thick of it, they're in the race.
But I feel like we talked about them more when
before brock Purty the question was about his contract, and
(07:29):
now that he has his contract, we're like, all right,
we're done talking about him.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
And there's an interesting angle too that's come up just
in recent weeks, and this is Brandon Nyuk thing. Shanahan
had a great dismissive quote I think Sunday like that
guy hasn't even been around here. I don't even know
what he's doing, Like, you haven't got him in a month.
They pay a lot of money not to play, and
he supposedly was a really good receiver and he's an afterthought.
(08:00):
You're right, they're not really talking about it.
Speaker 5 (08:03):
They could still win that division and be the number
one overall seed. Now, certain things that have to happen,
but they could still happen. It still could happen. They
are they are going to make the playoffs. And let's
be honest, the Niners are a marquee team, right like
when you talk about the who's who are the haves
and the have nots like we talk. You could talk
(08:23):
a lot about the forty nine ers, but for some reason,
we just aren't this year. I don't know if it's
because of their schedule. I don't know if it's because
it was the easiest strength of schedule entering this season
for them, But we just aren't having conversations about the Niners, Sam,
do you have a buyer's remorse in there?
Speaker 7 (08:41):
Dan?
Speaker 5 (08:41):
I had that. I can tell you what it is,
and it's actually an apology to onet Doug Gottlieb. Hey, Hey,
let's do this the right way.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
All right, but there's nothing quite like buyer's remorse.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
I can't remember if it was Bill Clinton or George
Bush or Roger Clemens or Rafael Marrow, whoever said misremembered, because.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I know that was that was Andy pennittt.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Independent Andy Pettitt. There, it was Andy Pettitt said.
Speaker 4 (09:10):
It did say something though Clemens is known for something.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Clemens said that Andy Pennett misremembered.
Speaker 5 (09:16):
That I miss remembered the Michaeh Parson's played. Doug, you
are one hundred percent correct it was a non contact
injury yesterday or on Sunday on grass. For some reason,
I thought that Micaeh Parsons was engaged and he was not.
And so my apologies to you. But for some reason
I was sure is anything that it was on an
(09:38):
engagement and it was not. And so Doug, I had
remorse over that, and uh, essentially an apology for for
your correct assessment that I said was incorrect. Apology misremembers
there was there was I misremembered.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Let me tell let me have a big tell you.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
I think he misremembered.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Well what I am? I like, I agree, like maybe
I was wrong, Like I don't know Dan knows. Dan
pays way more attention than I do. Like, I was
at a party with a bunch of people watching the
game and then I said it, and I was like, oh,
maybe it was right.
Speaker 5 (10:11):
Yeah, I saw I got home last night.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
My faith, that's my faith. And how much you're right
more often than I am.
Speaker 5 (10:17):
Well, I appreciate that, but I was dead wrong.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Uh I. I know we talked about it, Okay, but
I know we talked about it, but I feel like
I'll tell you it deserves ah an apology is Brian Flores.
Brian Flores, he was the head coach of the Miami Dolphins. Now,
(10:42):
there's a lot of reasons he lost his job, none
of which are because he's black. I'm sorry, there's just
not the whole the front office that said us or
him was all black too, so that it just didn't
make any sense. But reportedly, the big thing was that
he didn't a habit. He got to a stunk, right,
(11:03):
and when the general manager squares by a quarterback and
the owner sides of the general manager and they ride
with that guy. That's why Flora's a big reason that
and offensive coaches couldn't work for him or whatever. That's
why he's he was out of a out of a job,
and now he's a he's in Minnesota. I just this
(11:26):
has been here the whole time. And the Miami thing
with putting out videos in practice of him throwing deep
balls and trying to go see you're wrong Twitter verse.
It's a lot like when dudes lie right. You always
tell when somebody's lying because they go into super super
(11:47):
detail about what really happened, and you're like, yeah, now
I know you're lying. No you don't understand. But that
was Jimmy was sitt over there. I was sitting here.
Speaker 8 (11:57):
I remember because I was wearing my blue pants and
he was wearing black fans. And then Vivie was over there, like, dude,
you're like again the Dolphins trying to tell us that
were one hundred percent wrong about the quality of Tua's arm.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Like the proof is in the put in. The guy
can't play in cold weather, and he plays for the
Miami Dolphins who play in the AFC East. It's not working. Additionally,
he's immobile, he's already been hurt. I'm I'm gonna tell you,
Like he seems like a really nice dude. That's the
worst contract in the NFL, because if they cut him,
(12:35):
it's ninety nine million dollars in dead cap money. He's
already guaranteed fifty four million dollars since March for next
year salary. That's and this is this is what it is. Right.
He wins six every year looks the same for them,
They win six seven games. And I know that they
(12:56):
had some character issues and when Tyreek Hill was gone,
it made them better. When Jalen Ramsey has gone and
made them better. But what happens with those hardcore dudes
is when you can't do it, they call you out
for not being able to do it. And I'm sure
that's part of it. No, no, no, it's Tyreek Hill?
Or is it Tyreek Hill? Play with a guy who
just doesn't have a good enough hard dan? Did you
(13:19):
have one more?
Speaker 4 (13:20):
Hey, Doug grow Faster's the hot one. Someone's on the
hot line. It's uh, Deshaun Watson's contract. Take an issue
with you calling Tua's contract the worst in the NFL.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
Yeah, you're right, you're right, but uh, maybe it's a
sneaky bad contract. Can I go sneaky bad?
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Worst contract given to a person born in Hawaii?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
There you go, or worse contract of somebody who's not
a complete perf. Is that better?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
That's fair? Yep.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
And then and then here here's the last one. Last one.
Tuesday morning quarterback in the afternoon. I just want to
celebrate like this. I've been doing this a long time.
I can't remember a time when the Chargers won more
games that they had opportunities to lose that they usually
give away. And it's pretty awesome to watch because you're
(14:14):
sitting there and the old Charger fan in you and
I know this was you, Jason Stewart, the old Charger fan,
was like, we're gonna find a way to lose this game,
and they found a way to win the game. Granted
it's Carter Minshew, he didn't have an arm. Chiefs are
very good, but they find a way. They actually find
a way. And what's interesting about starting with the Titans
(14:36):
as you did, Jason Stewart, is I've often thought that
up until they started Charging and it became kind of
the laughing stock in the NFL. The Chargers were like
the least discussed team in the NFL.
Speaker 5 (14:48):
I just were true.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
And that is Tuesday minuting quarterback in the afternoon Tuesday, Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Here you have it your Tuesday Morning quarterback in.
Speaker 2 (14:59):
The after coming out. Actually, Doug show coming up. I'll
go ahead, Jay stew I'm.
Speaker 5 (15:03):
Sorry, Uh did we leave Sam out? Did you have something? Sam?
Speaker 6 (15:08):
Because it is the holiday season, I was going to
bequeath or leave my Tuesday morning quarterback option to Doug
or Dan who sounded like they had more than one.
I did want to just say good morning. We were
talking about Hawaii. Good morning Hawaii. It is ten sixteen
on the island in island time. So if anybody did
want to get to anything later in the show on
(15:29):
my behalf, it's like a it's it's a rain check
for your holiday season.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
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Speaker 2 (15:48):
It's the Doug I Leave show at Dan Byer is
so happy. If you're listening to the podcast, you're gonna
have to remember back to yesterday when Dan Byer told
us his favorite Christmas album was the Kenny Rodgers Christmas Album,
which I was saying, banked pocketed, and then again you
don't get it on podcasts. I'll rejoin music is uh,
(16:11):
Kenny Rogers, these are a few of my favorite things.
Speaker 5 (16:15):
Yeah, my favorite things. Yep. It's been covered by many,
but I love this version. So Kenny Rogers, Okay, I'm.
Speaker 2 (16:25):
Gonna have some fun with this. I did do a
My lights in my office aren't working. I have turned
them off anyway, So all right, here's what I'm gonna do.
I did actually an All Ball podcast on this because
it was it was great. I'm gonna play for you
what Joel Klatt he was on another podcast yesterday or
(16:50):
maybe it was a radio show. It's called the Next
Round podcast. He was a guest, and let's just play
both cuts back to back. Guys, here's Joe Klett. He's
talking about having James Madison included, having Tulane included, and
comparing it with the NCAA men's basketball tournament. Take a listen.
Speaker 7 (17:14):
The reason the group of five is included in this
playoff is to avoid anti trust litigation. That's it, guys,
Like we're not looking for a Cinderella. Nobody cares in
football about James Madison or or you know the equivalent
of George Mason going. Didn't George Mason go to the
Final four or something like that. Nobody cares in football
about that. We don't want cinderellas. We want the best
(17:35):
teams playing each other at the end. In fact, hot take,
I mean like the hottest of all takes that I've
ever had in my entire life. The NCAA Basketball Tournament
is a joke. It's the dumbest tournament and the least
fair tournament in all of sports. We go and put
we put teams at odd times on neutral sites in
(17:55):
a one game affair like that doesn't crown a true chance.
We're not doing anything that tells us who's the best
team over the course of the entire season.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
You know what's really weird about that? So the NCAA
Men's Basketball Tournament is a win or you go home tournament. Right.
The NCAA Division One College football Playoff is a one
(18:30):
game elimination. If you lose, you go home tournament. Additionally,
if he thinks that's not the way to determine the
best team, and I actually would agree with him, it
would be fair to point out that Ohio State lost
to Michigan the last regular season game of last year.
(18:51):
And then I think technically was an eight seed that
went all the way in won a championship. If his
issue is neutral sites after the first round, the College
fall Playoff is also on neutral sites. They're also at
random times and in random locations. So what he is
railing against is what college football has replicated. Now in
(19:15):
terms of fairness, you can look at this one of
two ways. You can say, like he does, it's the
least fair. Ever, because it doesn't value the regular season.
That would be fair, would be fair. But if that's
your argument, well then you have to say, Alabama's in
the College Football Playoff, they lost their last game in
(19:38):
the SEC championship game, they lost two big games in
the SEC. How is it fair? How do we value
the regular season if they lost three games. Other teams
only lost only lost two and they're not playing. Or
you could say the most fair thing you could do
is you take whatever this is the ten best and
then the two best from the non powerful conferences, and
(20:00):
you let him play and if you win, you get
to keep playing. That's actually the most fair way of
doing it. Talk about fairness. So and then, of course,
the big trigger that everyone is going to get triggered
by is the NCAA Tournament is a joke. Now, if
you said I don't think it's the proper way or
(20:21):
the best way to select a true champion, I'm not
gonna argue with you. I completely agree with you. The
NBA Finals is probably the best, although too many games.
I even like he had the the he had pods
and then out of the pods you go kind of
like the World Cup style. I don't know if that's
a great way to do it, because then you have
point differential. That doesn't work to me either. But if
(20:47):
his issue is, hey, I don't like that, it's win
or go home, and that's not how sports is supposed
to play, college football has mirrored, is trying to mirror
the NCAA tournament. He's not wrong. Nobody really wants the Cinderella.
He's not wrong that the only reason they're in there
is a void litigation. And he's not wrong. That not wrong.
That's not the best way to pick the truest of champions.
(21:13):
But he's wrong in that everything the NCAA Tournament does
college football is trying to emulate, trying to copy, and
they're trying to copy it because it's remarkably popular.
Speaker 5 (21:27):
Dan, what do you think I think that the point
about the n your point about the NCAA tournament, and
Joel Klatt is I would agree with you that I
agree on the premise of everything, but that doesn't mean
that it's it's correct. And I agree that I think
that the NBA is the fairest way to go about
it just because of the number of games that you're playing,
(21:51):
even like Baseball's playoffs, I mean, it's.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Not really fair.
Speaker 8 (21:56):
No, it's a it's a different sport than the when
you play for him, sixty two games.
Speaker 5 (21:59):
Yeah, yeah, you got a three game series here, a
five game series there. It does it does make the
the NBA's best. And so I agree on that point.
Speaker 9 (22:07):
There.
Speaker 4 (22:08):
On that point, I don't want you to lose this.
But on that point, the World Series about about a
lot of World Series champ merch In recent years, Humble Brack.
You know, Baseball has stopped calling their champion a world champion.
I think it's they're called the World Series champion. In
other words, the Dodgers have won the silly baseball tournament
that happens in October. They're not necessarily the best team
(22:30):
in baseball. They might just coincidentally be that. But I
think if if, maybe that's where NCAA Basketball gets it wrong.
He's not the national champion. He was that tournament that
everyone loves in March's.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
Champ you know, I think they've stopped calling him world
champs because of the World Baseball Class Baseball Classic.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
It's got to be right, and the same thing in
the NBA. It's because you have the the World Championships
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(23:10):
what I like about about Joe Klatt. There's a a
smugness to his delivery, which I I'm if I'm honest
with myself, I have that ability to be to be
so confident in my take that it can be that
because there there's just a smugness to it. I can't
explain what it is, you know, but when he says
(23:32):
it's a joke, it's like you have Twitter people like
on fire, like why are you talking? I love the
NCAA tournament, Like, actually listen to what he says. Now,
I don't think the NCAA tournament's a joke. I think
it's it's comically hypocritical that he's saying he doesn't like
the NCAA tournament for having a winner go home scenario
on a neutral field, which is exactly what we have
in college football. Like what do you? What are you even?
(23:53):
What are you actually being critical of? But I do
think that the smugness the leading with the NCAA tournament's
a joke, saying it's going to be a hot take
and then supporting it with an argument that I actually
think again has some validity. But people just freak out
over the trigger words early on the take and they
(24:15):
can't actually decipher what he's saying.
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Would you say, though, that the top seeds in the
men's in men's basketball tournament, because that's what he was
talking about? Yeah, do get an advantage with the close
regional sites?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
Yes?
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Yeah, yes?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
And look the number one seed has lost twice. They've
had a sixty fourteen field since nineteen eighty three.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Eighty five, I thought it was winning.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Okay, we'll go with eighty five. That would be forty years,
So in forty years it's happened twice. There's four games
a year. Forty times four is one hundred and sixty.
So somewhere in the one hundred and one hundred, one
hundred and fifty eight in two variety is what one seeds.
Essentially it is a bye. It's an active buy. Right
(25:04):
when one hundred and fifty eight out of the one
hundred and sixty times the number one seed wins, it's
essentially a bye. So my point is that the one
seeds do get a bye. And actually, in terms of
fairness and valuing the regular season, he's right in that
you'll have below five hundred in conference play, Big ten SEC,
(25:25):
Big twelve ACC teams play in the field, which you're like, wait,
what we're But they're trying to find the problem with
the NCAA tournament. And this is what he didn't say,
is you're trying to serve two masters, trying to serve
the master of being fair and finding a champion, and
(25:46):
that's nearly impossible to do. Nearly impossible to be fair
and have a champion.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
I also think this that any sport would love to
find what their gold mine is in college basketball for
as much as Doug. I mean, you're in the sport,
but you also love the sport as much as I
do as well. And I would even put Sam in that, like,
we find value in the regular season, but I think
that's tough for a lot of other people to do so.
(26:14):
But to be able to find the value the gold
mine that they have with March, I think that other
sports would love to have that, and that they would
be jealous of it. I mean the NBA Playoffs now,
as fair as it may be, it's starting to become
a drag for how long that it lasts. I mean
it's from mid April to mid June. And while that's fair,
(26:34):
I don't know how many people love that aspect of it.
And the NBA is trying to find all these different
formats to keep people interested during the year. At least
college basketball has something.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
You know. What's interesting is I used to do the
highest rated hour in Kansas City. I used to be
on with Siren Petro. He's on WHB shout out to Surin,
so Surin. I used to go back and forth, and
the best point he ever made is, like people who
yearn for the bowl system, if the Bowl system was
(27:05):
a good system. How come nobody try to copy it?
Whereas and to your point, Dan, the NCAA tournament is
the one that everybody tries to copy. So while Joel
may not enjoy it or think it's the best way
to decide a championship, the people have spoken and they
do now. I also know that the real thing that
they actually love is the bracket. The bracket just works.
(27:27):
That's the most valuable part of it. You know, even
when you go to sixty eight to seventy two teams,
they're only gonna have one bracket, and it's the fight
to get in that bracket. That's the true value of
the tournament.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
Here's here's another thing that I it works. It could
work with college basketball, works, Doug with with your team
and your conference is your league sorts itself out and
at the end you have one team that you put
in the bracket. Yes, you could do that in college football.
You could do that with every conference. You could have
a Big Ten tournament and say the Big Ten winner
(27:57):
goes on and plays the bracket. The problem is is
the commissioners don't want that because the Big Ten doesn't
want to choose between Indiana and Ohio State and Michigan
and who gets in the bracket. But those schools, Like
you could have a postseason Big ten tournament and say,
all right, it's Indiana against Iowa and one weekend in
Ohio State against Oregon and another and the winner of
that plays a championship game and then you go into
(28:19):
an eighteen bracket for whatever. Like you could do that,
but nobody wants that. Nobody would want that sort of format.
That would maybe even be more fair. You think, you know,
a Georgia Alabama championship game after Georgia beat Ole Miss
and Alabama beat Texas A and M in a semi final, Like,
I think that would all be exciting, but the commissioners
wouldn't want something like that.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I look, I actually think that world would exist if
we had the old conferences, you know, if you had
to pack ten, if you had the Big eight, if
you had the or even Big twelve.
Speaker 5 (28:50):
Yeah, the ACC, the SEC, they're more equitable.
Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yep. Too many good teams, and that's what we're trying
to be fair even when it's it's not. Stut Gottlieb Show,
Fox Sports Radio, as I waxed poetic about Aaron Rodgers
and watching him play football for the teenth time on
Monday Night Football. There is this thought that, dude, what
(29:14):
if they make the playoffs, they win the division, they
win a game, and Aaron's like, you know, I kind
of like this. Here's Aaron Rodgers. I'm playing for the Steelers.
Speaker 10 (29:23):
I love being here in the city. I love the organization.
It's been a lot of fun for me to be
able to play for Mike Tomlin. There's a lot of
good guys on this team, Guys that care about it,
guys that feel like they've got a lot to prove.
Speaker 2 (29:37):
I do think when you hear his voice, it's up, Hey,
I'm only here for a minute, right. It's been really good,
really good. But I don't know, not crazy to think
he'd come back. It's like, what else are you gonna do?
Because once you stop playing football, you kind of stop
playing football. I know, Philip Rivers is the exception is
the exception, not the rule. But fels like they're gonna
(30:00):
win the division, and if you go back two weeks ago,
you'd be like, no way, and the answer is way,
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comment out there from one of the hardballs about Shron Moore.
You want to hear it's that.
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Speaker 5 (31:22):
The Press, Doug, We start out with news that may
not be news, but it's still news. Dan Patrick earlier
today on The Dan Patrick Show had Chargers head coach
Jim Harbaugh on talking football but also talking about what
went on at Michigan with Sharon Moore. Here was a
(31:44):
part of that conversation earlier today on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 11 (31:48):
When's the last time you talked to Sharon Moore?
Speaker 12 (31:50):
Early December? But I have texted.
Speaker 11 (31:52):
Him nothing since he was arrested, just text How are
his spirits?
Speaker 9 (31:57):
I think it's a trag what uh the worst days
of his life and uh, you know, keep it together
and and uh and take care of your family. That's
you know, that's the message. And I getting spiritual guidance,
you know, is really critical.
Speaker 5 (32:14):
So Harbaugh has been in contact, but they just haven't
spoken to each other since everything went down last week.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah, I didn't, you know, that's that's a tough one.
That's one of those. Hey, I'm just here for you, buddy,
anything I can do. Can you get me my job back?
Speaker 5 (32:29):
But anything Well, speaking of his now vacant job, DP
asked Harba about it.
Speaker 11 (32:34):
Are you helping Michigan at all find their head coach?
Speaker 12 (32:38):
No, I'm not all focuses on uh the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Okay, so on the surface, completely reasonable, right.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
But yeah, but but there's there's definitely tension there. Yeah,
no question, no question, no question, definitely not great feelings.
And again we can sit there and go like, well,
Charon Moore, like there's there's probably a series of things.
I'm sure he feels like he was thrown under the
bus with the NCAA findings and how they handled it, whatever,
(33:12):
just whatever. But that is not a warm and cheesis.
I love my alma mater. Nope. So you're the coach
that rebuilt the program, won the national championship. You told
them to hire Sharon Moore this time around, they got
to hire somebody, and you're not giving any heads up,
you're not giving any advice. Nope.
Speaker 5 (33:29):
I do think that there's could be the sense that
Michigan wants to go all away from anything Harbaugh related.
But it's also the fact we forget that Jim Harbaugh
did interview for NFL jobs the season before he won
a national championship. He did, so like those you know,
those those facts are true as well that the well,
as you said, he loves his alma mater, the connection
(33:50):
there may not be as strong as it would.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
Well, remember, his alma mater dialed him back some contract wise. Remember, Yeah,
after the first couple of years when they were not
great and I'm sure, like, guys don't forget that stuff.
They just don't know.
Speaker 5 (34:05):
Jason, you went in on the first part of the
Harbaugh conversation.
Speaker 4 (34:09):
On the first sound bite, and you, guys tell me
if I'm wrong. Did did he actually say that he
told Charon to take care of his family? Just take
care of your family? That's all I could say. Let's
let's hear it again.
Speaker 11 (34:20):
When's the last time you talked to Sharon?
Speaker 12 (34:22):
More early December? But I have texted.
Speaker 11 (34:25):
Him nothing since he was arrested, just text how are
his spirits?
Speaker 12 (34:30):
I think, I think it's a tragedy. So what the
worst days of his life?
Speaker 9 (34:35):
And uh, you know, keep it together and and uh
and take care of your family.
Speaker 12 (34:39):
That's you know, that's the message. And I getting spiritual guidance.
You know is really critical, is it.
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Can't you make the case that him not taking care
of his family is what caused the tragedy?
Speaker 5 (34:52):
Yes, of course you can.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
But I mean, again, this is what Jim Harbaugh said,
he just take care of your family.
Speaker 5 (34:58):
Sure there was there, It's like, what do you say, Like,
what do you say?
Speaker 4 (35:04):
I'm exceptionally disappointed in him. I mentored him. I was disappointed.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
I understand, but what did you say to him? You
don't say that to him in a text.
Speaker 5 (35:15):
Yeah, I think again.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
I'm telling you having having screwed up at various moments
in my life. I remember, I can just tell you,
like I remember, like here's a here's a probably too
much inside my life thing. You guys, remember I used
to always park at the Whole Foods right next to work,
where you could plug in sure he charged, because there
used to not be Tesla charging across the way or whatever.
(35:37):
So I was there for months that my first five
months working nothing. And then one day my car got
towed and I was trying to get home for my
son's baseball game and I had to go get my
car out of tow, and then you gotta pay a
bunch of money and my nowlex wife, you know just
I mean, it was like twenty minutes on the phone
about you know, there's a sign there it says now
(36:00):
or blah blah blah blah blah blah, Like I already
feel bad. I don't need you, I got it. I
I I'm remorseful. I can't go back and move the
car now and park in our parking lot, which By
the way, the parking lot of tenants are the worst
human beings on earth at Fox Sports Radio, they just are.
They're just horrible people. I'm kidding. They're not that bad,
(36:21):
but they're annoying.
Speaker 5 (36:22):
We got new ones. Yeah, oh I leave now we
got good.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
There's still a severe lack of surveillance in our parking garage.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
Yeah, but the old regime was very stringent. I wasn't
a fan.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Oh my gosh, like I work here when park here, less,
I work here.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
I did see photos of Sureon Moore and his wife
post arrest. Have you guys seen those? Sure So she's
I guess, in a way sticking sticking by him through this.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (36:54):
Maybe I'm reading too much into the photos, but I
have seen that.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
You know, I don't know, to go to your mom's,
go to your dad's or whatever, get get back out
of town, whatever, and maybe you try and work through it.
I don't know. We don't know. We don't know if
it was a thing, it was a playing, if it
was over what it was, you know, maybe it was
an affair and you know, they want to work through it.
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (37:13):
Wasn't it reported goes back a couple of years.
Speaker 2 (37:16):
Dan, Yes, there's been lot and there's also been lots
of things that have been reported. I don't know what's true.
All I know is it's super uncomfortable, Like, eh, take
care of your family. Then you just send the text like, oh,
should I said that? Whatever?
Speaker 6 (37:29):
How about just let the legal process play out and
there will be a light.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
I mean, you can't be like merry Christmas, Like, what's
so mary about Christmas? Right now?
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Here's if he were to say, this is not to excuse,
but if you were to say, make sure your kids
are okay, I think that's understandable, right, Like more so
than take care of your family? Is that fair? Jason? Yeah, Like,
are you questioning the use of the little Okay? But
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Can't that mean that I don't know. I do think
we're nitpicking a little bit here. He's like, you know,
it's just yeah, take care of your family.
Speaker 5 (38:01):
Former Alabama head coach Nick Saban has purchased a minority
stake in the Nashville Predators. Really yeah, huh.
Speaker 2 (38:08):
Hey, if there's anybody who works for the Blackhawks, let
me know. I'm trying to take my team. On the
thirtieth to the Blackhawks game. Okay, shout out, shout out
to the Blackhawks never.
Speaker 5 (38:17):
Been and that's games. That's the press, actually was the press.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
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