August 20, 2024 • 37 mins
As the University of Alabama football program announced that they have secured their General Manager for the foreseeable future, Doug explains what a General Manager does for a football program. Doug reacts to Tom Brady's comment about rookie quarterbacks. Doug welcomes The Athletic's Mike Jones onto the show to talk about Tua, the Cowboys and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a Tuesday edition of "The Press".
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different things going on as we are in the first
week of college football with games getting ready to kick
off this Saturday, and I do think I can provide
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some insight and some sort of background on it. Okay,
so there's two things involving my own matter, there's one
thing involving Alabama and also, to a lesser extent, the
University of USC and I think it all does kind
of sort of work together. You go back two days
ago and Mike Gundy, who's the longest tenured coach in
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the Big twelve. He's not like the Dean of Big
twelve coaches crazy. And of course he's had a wild
off season again one successfully in the portal where they
held on to Ali Gordon twenty one starters back their
top twenty ranked team as they were kind of left
in the desk from Oklahoma and Texas moving out of
the Big twelve in the SEC and they've they've bounced
back well because of it. Then he had this super
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odd comments which did take away any of the attention
on his star running back forgetting to du why when
he said nothing I haven't done a thousand times, which
is like what? But now Gundy getting back to being
Gundy said this about Oklahoma State players agents heading into
the season.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That's what I told her about you. There's no negotiating now.
This portal's over all negotiations history. Now we're playing football.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
You know. The business side of what we do now
is is we have to have those conversations with him.
You know, tell your agent quick calling us and asking
for more money. It's non negotiable. Now start again in December.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, and so, and I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
That this is part of the that's honestly the biggest frustration.
There's a lot of frustrations with dealing with nil agents
or players whatever it's Let me explain how this works.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
There's no more money. I had a conversation like this
with a with a player this week.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
You know, Hey, anything we agreed to previously is what
we agree to. I can't change any deal from my perspective.
You can't change a deal from your perspective. That's what
a deal is. That's what a contract is. Period. And
my guys don't do this, but there are some at
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maybe a higher level that you'll get guys like, wow,
you know, coach, he's starting now for you, so he
should be like and it works. If you want it
layered like that, we can layer it like that. And
the deal, well, we can't layer it like that right now.
And just because you heard some other guy at some
other school may or may not have gotten what you
more money does not mean that you can renegotiate the
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didn't happen. This is not your negotiation windowy. Then today
it was announced that Oklahoma State can Mile Mautter going
to have barcodes in the back of their helmets where
you can donate directly to the fund to compensate these
athletes for their name image and like this and to
anybody who goes, well, this is Gundhy says one thing
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this week, like you don't get bar codes on your
helmets unless and I was told this would happened a
long time ago. And oh yeah, by the way, this
is just the latest step. You know, one of the
things that I think that Colorado has it on their
practice jerseys. I know they have their Twitter handles for
business thing on all of their practice stuff as well. Hey,
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if you want to get in touch with this guy,
this is how you get in touch with this guy.
But the bar codes thing I think has been done,
hadn't been done in games, hadn't been done in helmets,
And oh yeah, by the way, Like, I don't know
how that works.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
When a guy's playing.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
If in fact you can get the I'm sure Oklahoma
State will get a couple of barcode shots on there.
But like, how do you if you're in the stands,
you're watching and you want to give it to alignment,
how do you do that?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
How do you do that?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And then Jay stud the Story of You asked a
question about GMS in college foot Well they're gems in
basketball as well, right, So the story goes a little
bit something like this. There are gms now in college sports,
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and Alabama secured their GM. What to secure their GM mean? Well,
a GM for a college football team. Again, I don't
know exactly what is for college football.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I knew that.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I do know that college basketball teams have GM. But
Courtney Morgan gets a market setting deals.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
That's what it says.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Like he's getting paid because USC came calling and tried
to tried to poach him. If you will, you know,
if you can poach coach players, you can always poach coaches.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Why wouldn't you do that?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And he agrees to a new contract and he ends
up staying. He gets eight hundred and twenty five thousand
dollars to be the general manager. What does the general
manager mean? Well, it means you manage the roster, all
of that nil stuff. He handles it now ultimately as
the head coach. When it comes down to brass tax
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and completing negotiations, it comes to your desk. You become
the president, you become the CEO. But it's if there's
a phone call coming in from an agent, if there's
a phone call coming in from a donor, you let
the donors funnel through the GM. First thing is it's
just too much to do for one person. I can't
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tell you what it's like for a football team. For
a basketball team, I have currently have twelve scholarship players,
and I have seventeen players overall on my roster, and
I check in with all of them every day, just
I mean, a little.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Text to whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
It's a phone call, or they come if I'm in
Green Bay, they come by the office. I also have
my staff, which as of now is one of four
or five, six, potentially seven. Right, we meet the phone
or in person every day, and then if you factor
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in all the other little things you have to do
things on campus. I have bosses, my ethletic director Josh Boone,
my president Mike Alexander. We also have donors. We have
all sorts of other people in town. Multiply that again.
College football, you have eighty five scholarships Alabama, you have
these gargantuan staffs. And while all of those people are
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important and technically they're in your watch and it funnels
to you, you do need somebody else to handle a
lot of the things that you don't have the band
with or just the time to handle.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Chase new is that I don't know if I explained
what it is and how big a trend it is.
It is something that college basketball teams have and college
football teams have. I don't know why this particular gentleman
is seen as so valuable. Then you know you're worth
what somebody's willing to pay you. And Courtney Morgan apparently
is worth eight hundred and twenty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
So is this a new thing? I'm not as in
tuned in the college game as you guys. Have general
managers been in college football for a long time? Or
is this a new title? Given the new landscape.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
It's fairly new.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
But I would say last five years new.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Last five years.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
And again I'll give you, I'll give you an example
of what a GM would do if I had a GM.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Okay, so I have I have three players.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I actually have five or six, but three players who
very very definitely cannot fit on a traditional mattress.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
They're too tall. They're too tall.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And for the summer, everybody's been in the dorms. And
this may shock you, but the dorms are kind of
you know, they're college dorms. You know, they're nine by
twelve rooms. Now, ours are pretty nice. We have four
dorm rooms. You have your own room, and then you
have a main like hangout room, and you have your
guys have your own bathrooms whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Like, Oh that's cool, okay.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
But the beds, the bunk beds are twin mattresses, so
when you're seven foot one, you don't fit on a
twin mattress at all. Most of my guys don't fit
on mattresses. So I spoke with There's a company which
I believe is the biggest furniture manufacturer, and they also
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they make their own mattresses called WGNR. It's located in Wisconsin.
I spoke with the CEO, the outgoing CEO and the
new CEO, and I said, is there anything we can do?
And we negotiated a deal yesterday at a place called
the Freedom House in Green Bay, Wisconsin. We had guys
pass out mattresses to people in need. Okay, and I've
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some through our own nil funds. We want our guys
to have the best mattresses.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
It sounds really really.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Really basic, okay, But all the steps, all the connecting,
all the coordinating, and I have staff members that help me,
but you can't have anyone other than the head coach
called the CEO of a massive company. It just doesn't
work right. This is all part of kind of the
workload of things that I'm dedicated to helping my players
and preparing them best for not just school but life.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Then and I have to make those calls.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
So what I would guess the GEM would do in
this case is like the head coach still makes the
calls and still makes the arrangement, and then when it
gets passed off to people arranging it, he handles everything.
That's his job. So does it still take up your time? Sure,
but generally it takes up most of his time. And
then the reality to it is that a program like USC,
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a program like Alabama, you're constantly managing your roster, talking
with your coaches who do you want to keep and
who we don't want to keep, who do you want
to replace them with? And so that guy is he's
watching film of you know, fifty different teams per week,
trying to identify players that will end up in the portal.
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And while you can't talk to those players because they're
not in the portal. You can talk to their agents
and say, hey, look, we'd love to have a cornerback.
If you have a cornerback who's available. Like all of
these things eliminates the head coach didn't do anything illegal,
the general manager didn't do anything illegal, and there's no
contacting of the players. But the players have agents, rep
go betweens, and those are conversations that take place, and
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when you're the head coach, you just don't have any
of that time. You just don't, especially at Alabama, at
USC at Washington, and you just don't because you're trying
to coach your team and you have to do press
conferences local and national. You have to appearances, you have
to do stuff with boosters, you have to meet with
the players, you have to sit on meetings with the coaches.
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And then oh yeah, by the way, you also have
to have some form of a life.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
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Speaker 1 (11:49):
I thought this was interesting. Tom Brady was he was
really interesting at the Fanatics event. At the Fanatics event,
in New York City. He had this to say, and
it was sort of talking about Tula without talking about Tula.
On how rookie quarterbacks are up against it nowadays.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
There used to be college programs. Now there are college teams.
You're no longer learning a program, You're learning a playbook,
and the program is ultimately like at Michigan, for me,
that was a pro style program. Five years. I got
to learn how to drop back pass, to read defenses,
to recoverages, to be coached. I had to learn from
being seventh quarterback on the depth chart to moving up
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to third to ultimately being a starter. I had to
learn all those things in college. That was development. Then
I went to New England and I was developed by
coach Belichick and the offensive staff there. I didn't start
my first year. I think it's just a tragedy that
we're forcing these rookies to play early. But the reality
is the only reason why that is because we dumb
the game down, which has allowed them to play.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
It used to be thought of at a higher level.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
We used to spend hours and hours in the offseason
in training camp trying to be a little bit better
next year. But I think what happens is discourages the
coaches from going to deep levels because they realize the
players don't have the opportunity to go to a deep level,
so they're just going to teach him where they're at.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
He couldn't be more right, That's just really it is.
He could not be more right? Is it makes it
really hard. And this is why the spread offense and
looking over to the sideline is taught in college football.
Like could we teach you how to read a defense? Yeah,
but we can't teach you in nine months. We can't
even teach you in a year and a half. It's
a four or five year process. And so then you
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get to the NFL and this would happen to RG three, right.
Kyle Shanahan was his offensive cording, he was Rookie of
the Year. Now he tour his ACL at the end
of the year in the playoffs. But the fact is
that instead of putting him in the Shanahan offense and
having him learn, which by the way, is what happened
with Kirk Cousins, Kirk Cousins didn't play learn the offense
and has had a better longer career without any question.
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Some of it is the injury to RG three instead
after Merley. We played at Merley, we had early success,
but then year two they tried to make him into
a more of a traditional quarterback instead of starting that
process year one or that process being started in college.
It didn't and it led to his failure. Cousins and
RG three, the perfect example of RG three was great
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in college and he did you know, he got hurt
on year in college, but they ran the spread the
whole time, and he never truly learned to be under center,
never truly learned to read a defense, never truly learn
to go through progressions and not throw to air, you know,
throw to space. And because of his career was short,
and then he played right away in the NFL instead
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of sitting and learning ingesting still Gotlieb show here on
Fox Sports Radio. I do have to ask, we haven't
necessarily had it in the show, but at what point, Jayce,
are you starting to get nervous about the fact that
the Padres are Prayde aren't good?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Right, I'm in They're They're they're pretty darn good.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I mean, since the third of August they've lost three games,
fifteen and three. Right, they're at seventy one and fifty
five and right now, like their pitching is better than
your boys. Just at what point do you start to
get nervous? All right, we get back to that in
a second. Let's welcome in Mike Jones, national NFL writer
for The Athletic. He covers the National Football League and
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he joins us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radial. Mike, you've done this for a long time.
Give me your thoughts. Kind of a little bit removed
from it, Tua comes out very critical of how he
was treated by Brian Flores. Flores did respond, took some
accountability to it. What what's your takeaway as an NFL
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national writer.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
Yeah, I mean it was a little surprising to see
to uh go that deep into it, and you know,
it's interesting to see Flores's response.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Look, he is an intil.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
I know that there were guys that I were talking
to during the hiring cycle who were looking for GM
jobs who said, I was like, who would be some
of your head coaching candidates? And there were guys who said, look,
and I asked about him, they said, really good coach,
but he's very intense and that can really wear you
down and can wear players down. He's got a manner
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to him that can be abrasive and that obviously didn't
gel well with TUA. Now you have Mike McDaniel, who's
a guy who is very positive, very much into uplifting,
and that was the fit that TWA needed. That's not
to say Brian Flores can't be a good head coach
in the future, but that fit personality wise in his
style was not something that was positive for TUA.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, and it'll be interesting to see if he gets
another opportunity as a head coach with that now as
his rep, even if he has evolved out of some
of that, some of that rep. I want to ask.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
We talked a lot here about Pittsburgh. I'm not a buyer.
I just I just don't do you see them having
a viable quarterback on their roster.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
I do think they have one, but I don't know
if it's right away. You know, they have Russell Wilson.
They're going to roll with him for a while. You know,
Mike Tomlin continues to stand by that he is going
to be the guy that's the starter. I think Justin
Fields can still develop into a quality quarterback. I think
that the offense that Arthur Smith would run for him.
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That's one thing about Arthur Smith is he's very creative
in tailoring and attack to what his players do well.
And he's very conscious of not putting too much on
a young quarterback. And so I think that, look, it
might be Russell Wilson's start, but I would be very
surprised if by November there hasn't been a switch to
justin fields.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Now.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
I'm not saying that he's going to put up, you know,
Pro Bowl numbers in year one with the Steelers, but
they feel good about his future and the fit there,
and I do think that the philosophy that they have
there probably would be good for him and developing him,
and he could wind up being a long term answer
quarterback for.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
The Dallas Cowboys. It's been a weird camp.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
The Ceedee Lamb, the Micah Parsons, the Dak Prescott in
the last year of his deal. What does it look
like when they take the field for Game one?
Speaker 7 (18:21):
You know it's going to be interesting because, look, like
you said, all those guys uncertain status head coaches in
a lame duck year. Jerry Jones has got to get
something done with some of these guys just because you
want the distractions to be out of the way. They
he talks big and he wants championship, and this is
not the way that you breed that winning culture. When
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you have your best players that have still not been
taken care of and there's all this uncertainty flying around them.
He's got to, you know, as you get down the
crunch time, here are writing some checks and get this
distraction behind them.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I'm intrigued by Gardner. You know.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Last year obviously he fills in for Richardson and Indy.
Now he comes to the Raiders. Tom Telesco, the new
GM I thought smart obviously has Indy ties. He goes
and gets a guy who's proven to be, you know,
a spot starter, can go for a season. I don't
think he's their long term answer. Uh, they got to
bump with the coaching change last year. Where do the
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Raiders end up this year?
Speaker 7 (19:24):
Yeah, you know, it's gonna be interesting to see how
this plays out, because, like you said, when you need
him to, you know, basically come off the bench and
fill in as your starter, he does well. If he
has to be the guy. I don't know, but you know,
obviously players can grow. He's on a different staff, different team,
He's got you know, quality weapons. I think that they'll
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be competitive, but if you look at the rest of
their division there, they're not going to be better than
the Chiefs. They you know, I know, the start the
Chargers have, you know, hit the reset button there with
a new head coach. But they've got you know, justin Herbert. Still,
I don't think they're gonna better than Chargers. They'll probably
be better than the Broncos. So they're still trying to build
something here. I think the Gardner Minshew is probably the
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right choice, but again he's just a bridge for them
as they're continuing to transition to move forward. I don't
expect a huge, you know type of playoff run out
of them this year.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Fair enough, It's totally fair. I don't expect a huge
playoff run either. Okay, bow knicks, there's just a lot
of buzz. He played a lot of college foot obviously,
started as a freshman at Auburn, then goes to Oregon,
improved steadily during his time. Dad was a quarterback at
Auburn back in the day, and Sean Payton hand picks
a quarterback. How immediate or do you see any success
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for bo Nicks in Denver.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
I mean, I think that we'll see some good things,
but he's also going to take his licks. You know,
guess he's looked good in the preseason. But we always
got to remember, none of these defensive coordinators are game planning.
Might see you know, two three quality weeks out of him,
and then it's going to get tougher because there's going
to be game thumb and then they're going to be
able to die sex his weaknesses and force them into mistakes.
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Sean Payton's got to find ways to eat pressure on him,
not put too much on him, and not position him
to try to press. If you can stay within the system,
that helps. But you know, again, I think he's going
to take some lumps and that's okay. It's just a process,
and so I don't think that, like I said, nobody's
getting past the Chiefs. And I think that the Broncos
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might be the last place in that division just because
of where they are in their process.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, I think, I mean them and the Raiders obviously
are the two. Although we'll see with the Chargers completely
new regime and a new offensive scheme. Even if Herbert's
back practicing. Who does he actually throw to? I think
all that is fascinating. Mike Jones Jonius the National Football
League national writer for covering the entire league for the
Athletic Let's get to the Packers. Last year, so much
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unknown with Jordan Love, low expectations this year, new contract,
highest paid player in the game and still a very
young roster. That beat the Cowboys in Dallas, nearly beat
the Niners in San Francisco. But what's the Shakespearean quote?
Heavy is the head that wears that kind of crown.
He's only started for a year. Like it's not like
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I know he's been in the league for this is
fourth fifth year in the league. But to we started
for a year, and usually your second time through is
like your second time through the order as a starting pitcher.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
What I think Jordan loves seasons like this.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Year, I think he's going to have a quality season.
I don't know if it's going to be exactly like
that second half of the season where he really went
on its hair and they you know, you know, made
the push for the playoffs upset and then you know,
like you said, it came very close to beating forty
nine Ers. I think it can be close to that
though everything I hear they are really pleased with his
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development is continued progress, adding Josh Jacobs to have a
quality run game. They'll continue to find ways to you know,
support him in the run game. And also his young
wide receivers have another year under their belt. So I
think the Packers could be kind of scary out there
for some of these teams. Yes, you know you're looking
at Detroit. They were at a loss to the forty
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nine Ers will game away from the super Bowl, but
the Packers could wind up you know, jumping, you know,
over top of them and winning that division. And you know,
once they get to the playoffs, we'll see. But I
think that we could see another good year from Jordan Love,
more growth out of him, because everything I've heard is
that the trajectory is where they want it to be,
where they're hoping it's going to be. And like you said,
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it's a young roster, they play hard, they're continuing all
to grow together. It's a good situation up in Green Bay.
C J.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Stroud is who we thought Trevor Lawrence would be. Right
like c J.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Stroud awesome, you know, two years ago, Trevor Lawrence had
a good year. They came back and beat the Chargers,
they gave the Chiefs a heck of a game, and
then last year kind of regressed to the meme no
one ever talks about the Jaguars ever.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
We're going to change that. We're going to change that.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Obviously, everyone's talking about Houston expectations there. I think Indy
Richardson in year two, let's see, but what about Jacksonville?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
What's your feel on this team?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
That is, without any question, I think one of the
five least discussed teams.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
In the league.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
Yeah, they least discussed, but there's still questions with them.
I mean, you know, losing Colin Ridley was big. You know,
who are the weapons that Trevor Lawrence is going to
go to to to really have, you know, some game
changing type of talent you need to have, you know,
something to work with there. We've seen some good out
of him, Like you said, he kind of regressed. We
haven't seen the consistency that you need to see. And
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you know, you're hoping for their sake that he can
tap into that and right now we haven't seen it yet.
So it's going to be interesting. Whether or not they
can bounce back. I think that when you look at
the teams, obviously Houston, like you mentioned there, there's gonna
be pressure on them, expectations they didn't have to deal with.
I've got real questions, you know. Anthony Richardson, yes it's
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here too, but skates year one because he you know,
only played, you know, such a smaller amount of games.
And then Tennessee is a team that they've you know,
continue to be aggressive loading up in free agency. But
I think it should come down to to Houston and Jacksonville.
H It's it's like time is starting to not run out,
but the pressure is there. Trevor Lawrence has to take
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a leap forward. Doug Peterson has to be able to
help him to get to that level because this thing,
you know, the windows closed very quickly in this league.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, a lot of pressure in New York with the Jets.
What does Aaron Rodgers look like with that team, rebuilt
offensive line and a rebuilt a Chilles Tenant.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Yeah, that's a real question because this is something that
we haven't seen before, a guy of his age coming
off of that injury and trying to lead a team
to a Super Bowl. The offensive line being revamped and
fortified will help. You know, he's got talented young players
to throw to, and in the backfield, their defense should be,
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you know, pretty decent. Obviously, they're still missing the pass
rushers that they acquired that they thought was going to
help be a difference maker, you know, but you know,
we'll see again. It looks like on paper, if he
can stay healthy, they should be able to contend. But
still are they good enough to go toe to toe
with the Chiefs? What about the Ravens, the Bengals. I
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don't know that they actually are, so they'll be in
the mix, but for them to win a Super Bowl
and make a deep playoff run might be a little
bit unrealistic.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Mike Jones National Football League. A writer for The Athletic, he.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Covers the entire league fall on social media, downloaded stuff.
It's all excellent, Mike, you're the best man. Can't wait
for the season to kick off.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
Let's talk soon, all right, Thanks, Doug, I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
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Speaker 5 (27:42):
The press.
Speaker 8 (27:47):
So, Doug, yes, I do need to clarify. This story
of the All you Can Eat has nothing to do
with anyone being fat or overweight. It has nothing to
do without whatsoever. So this is I don't know of Jason,
if you want to scold Sam on his get back music,
it has nothing to do with the story that I'm
about to tell you. How we're talking about All you
(28:10):
Can Eat, So it has nothing to do with anybody
being fat. Okay, well, so who's offended. That's I'm just
I'm just saying. You usually like to take the songs
and connect them, Doug. You know Sam loves to do this, Yes,
of course.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
And so the all you can eat you would think
that it's someone just having like three hundred dollars worth
of food and not leaving. Correct, Oh cantreer monfrere Let's
head to Portage, Indiana, where there was an incident at
the local Applebee's and Shanisha Cobbs ended up getting arrested
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for her role in what went down. All you can
eat offer going down, Cobbs claimed that she could order
the all you can eat and then the five other
people with her would then be able to eat off
of that, essentially rule number one of the buffet or
anywhere you want to go. A verbal disturbance occurred. Police
(29:11):
were then called. There were people screaming at each other.
According to the police report, that multiple females were screaming
and threatening people and it was all because Cobbs and
her party did not realize that it was a fifteen
ninety nine per person all you can eat. She didn't
(29:33):
realize homeless wings, riblets, double crunt shrimp, and endless fries.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Okay, so I went to test in high school and
I've told some version of this story because there's a
bunch of stories that come from it. But every week
during the basketball season he had Player of the Week.
He was a great honor. But the one thing that
was bestowed upon that honor, an award, was also a
little bit of a burden in that whoever won would
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get a free all you can eat at Sizzler, which,
for people who don't know is wasn't all you can eat.
I don't they still have scissors all you can eat
right down the street, literally like walking distance from school.
You go to Sissler get all you can eat, which
was when you're in high school and you're eating like crazy.
And look, I think this is like the free Refiels cup,
(30:21):
you know where there have been people for years they
get the water free refil cup and then they get
the soda out of it. Right, it's low budget, but
it's done. Let's not act like I can see in
the world most people on a Sizzler. You know, if
you have two people that go to Sisslor, the third person,
it's not that big a deal. But there's a limit
there and you got to be clever about it, and
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these people were not clever about it all. They're just
when you're an adult, you don't do that stuff.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
Well yeah, and she was apparently got into an argument
with other customers there when it was pointed out to
her when police arrived that on the menu it says
maybe not in seventy two font size, but at least
in sixteen bold it says per person. Someone in her
party ended up paying their full bill going in and understanding,
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but that wasn't before she was dis arrested on the
charges of disorderly conduct and taking to the Porter County jail.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
She went to jail, matter, what are you in for? Murder?
What are you in for?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
So?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
What are in for? I had too many friends come
in on Sissler.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
I remember going to an establishment like this guy, Are
you guys fans of TGI Fridays?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Sure?
Speaker 8 (31:34):
And my wife wanted something that was only on the
kids menu and they said, no bueno. This is before
we had Brody could not order it from the kid's menu.
You had to be a child to order from the
kid's menu.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
What if I acted like I was a chill like shaw?
Speaker 8 (31:51):
Nisha Cobbs did, yeah, maybe that would work, but they said, sorry,
you have to have a child with you.
Speaker 9 (31:57):
Usually it's the other way around. You're like, you have
to be eighteen to do something, you to be one
to do right, this is reverse, you have to be
a child.
Speaker 8 (32:02):
I do feel weird when I get a happy meal
at McDonald's when I'm bringing it home. I have no
business in ordering a happy meal. But when I go
to McDonalds and I'm the only one of my wife
is like, hey, can you just pick them up a
four piece nugget? Like sure, absolutely, So then I go
there and it's the only thing and it's just me
in the car, and it looks like I'm ordering the
happy meal. I do have a little I do feel
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a little weird doing that, because I also feel like
it seems like I'm trying to take advantage of McDonald's.
In that aspect.
Speaker 9 (32:32):
Things are priced appropriately, though. You get what you pay for,
so whether it's it's in a child's little toy box
or not, you're getting you're getting four piece nugget for
however much it costs.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
Now and finally, my final point about this this story
is everywhere I took a lot of the information from
what The New York Post reported about this. They used
four pictures to supplement this article. One mug shot. Two
they went to Google street you and took a picture
of that specific portage Indiana Applebee's. Three they just used
(33:06):
a stock photo of Applebee's bonus wings. And four there
was an image of the menu where you can plainly
see limited time, only fifteen ninety nine per person for
all you can.
Speaker 9 (33:19):
Okay, I have one. Here's the underlying golden question here.
How do you go in thinking it's sixteen dollars for
six people? You can eat rubbish?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
You don't. That's that's the part of this bull that's part.
Speaker 9 (33:32):
It's like two dollars a person for like.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Listen, Sam, Sam, it's bull crap. Of course, Okay, what
they did was wrong. Their adults that did wrong, and
then they got called on it. And that's when people
when you get called on your bs and then.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
What were you talking about?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
You?
Speaker 8 (33:47):
I didn't know, like, come on, man, yeah, you're exactly
right about that. It also just seems like she thought, well,
the more mad I get, maybe they're just gonna say, ah,
forget about it, you know, just go just go. But
that didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
That's not them.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Good yeah, good for them. These people are despicable. Remember
the when the Atkins diet was in style, Yeah, and
me and my coworker did it. And we went to
Shaky's down the street every single lunch. All you could
eat Shaky's pizza. We ate the toppings, left the crust.
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The crust was like stacked up for like three feet
and we would get these dirty looks from the workers
that would come over to get the uneaten crusts that
could feed probably half the city's homeless people.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Look, we used to do this rock and I think
it was rock and roll sushi on Ledo Island and
Newport Beach, So this was like my spot forever. It
would used to be all you can eat sushi is
like twenty four ninety nine. You go in, but the
rule was like you ordered these rolls, you had to
eat the rice, and like you get to the point
you're like, I just want to eat the fish, to
fish the expensive part, and you know if you didn't
(34:53):
eat the rice, you'd be like, hey, there was no
sashimi on that menu either.
Speaker 8 (34:59):
I think this is the sorry that everyone can can
at least relate to. We always talk about in the
NFL and the season is coming up, who's going to
go worse to first? Last year there was one NFL
team did in the eighth division. Yes, it was the
Houston Texans who won the AFC South last year. A
buddy Jimmy Shapiro ended up reaching out to the odds
makers at bet online and said, Hey, what's the likelihood
(35:22):
of us having some worst of first and some repeat
division winners from twenty twenty three? So of the four
last place teams, or excuse me, have the eight last
place teams? Last year there were the Patriots, Bengals, Tennessee, Titans, Chargers, Commanders, Bears, Carolina,
and Arizona. Who do you don't have to pick just one,
(35:44):
but how many of those you think could win the division? Patriots,
no Bengals, right, maybe yeah, Tennessee probably not.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
No Chargers probably not. Ohh, I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Put it like Listen. The Charges have always been competed
with the Chiefs. I think the Broncos are still in rebuild,
try and fix it mode. I think the Raiders are
very much in fixing mode. I don't think it's who
else other than Chargers.
Speaker 8 (36:07):
Just the Chiefs, all of the other teams Commanders, Panthers, Cardinals,
and Bears. Maybe the Bears, but Cardinals. Okay, yeah, that's
crazy better not crazy? Well, last place schedule not crazy.
Yeah yeah. So that's three teams that you like, maybe four.
The over under is one, So the odds makers in
Vegas have said the over under is one for last
(36:28):
place teams to win first. Sounds like you're taking the Overdug.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I'm taking the over. Why not? Sure?
Speaker 8 (36:33):
The over under for repeat division winners three and a half.
There were four last year, so four would hit the
over this year.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I would go under on that because that feels like
a high numbering compaison of the years in the past.
Speaker 8 (36:44):
Sure, and that's the press.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
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different things going on as we are in the first
week of college football with games getting ready to kick
off this Saturday, and I do think I can provide
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some insight and some sort of background on it. Okay,
so there's two things involving my own matter, there's one
thing involving Alabama and also, to a lesser extent, the
University of USC and I think it all does kind
of sort of work together. You go back two days
ago and Mike Gundy, who's the longest tenured coach in
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the Big twelve. He's not like the Dean of Big
twelve coaches crazy. And of course he's had a wild
off season again one successfully in the portal where they
held on to Ali Gordon twenty one starters back their
top twenty ranked team as they were kind of left
in the desk from Oklahoma and Texas moving out of
the Big twelve in the SEC and they've they've bounced
back well because of it. Then he had this super
(01:30):
odd comments which did take away any of the attention
on his star running back forgetting to du why when
he said nothing I haven't done a thousand times, which
is like what? But now Gundy getting back to being
Gundy said this about Oklahoma State players agents heading into
the season.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
That's what I told her about you. There's no negotiating now.
This portal's over all negotiations history. Now we're playing football.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
You know. The business side of what we do now
is is we have to have those conversations with him.
You know, tell your agent quick calling us and asking
for more money. It's non negotiable. Now start again in December.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
Yeah, and so, and I can tell you.
Speaker 1 (02:10):
That this is part of the that's honestly the biggest frustration.
There's a lot of frustrations with dealing with nil agents
or players whatever it's Let me explain how this works.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
There's no more money. I had a conversation like this
with a with a player this week.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
You know, Hey, anything we agreed to previously is what
we agree to. I can't change any deal from my perspective.
You can't change a deal from your perspective. That's what
a deal is. That's what a contract is. Period. And
my guys don't do this, but there are some at
(02:50):
maybe a higher level that you'll get guys like, wow,
you know, coach, he's starting now for you, so he
should be like and it works. If you want it
layered like that, we can layer it like that. And
the deal, well, we can't layer it like that right now.
And just because you heard some other guy at some
other school may or may not have gotten what you
more money does not mean that you can renegotiate the
(03:12):
didn't happen. This is not your negotiation windowy. Then today
it was announced that Oklahoma State can Mile Mautter going
to have barcodes in the back of their helmets where
you can donate directly to the fund to compensate these
athletes for their name image and like this and to
anybody who goes, well, this is Gundhy says one thing
(03:33):
this week, like you don't get bar codes on your
helmets unless and I was told this would happened a
long time ago. And oh yeah, by the way, this
is just the latest step. You know, one of the
things that I think that Colorado has it on their
practice jerseys. I know they have their Twitter handles for
business thing on all of their practice stuff as well. Hey,
(03:53):
if you want to get in touch with this guy,
this is how you get in touch with this guy.
But the bar codes thing I think has been done,
hadn't been done in games, hadn't been done in helmets,
And oh yeah, by the way, Like, I don't know
how that works.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
When a guy's playing.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
If in fact you can get the I'm sure Oklahoma
State will get a couple of barcode shots on there.
But like, how do you if you're in the stands,
you're watching and you want to give it to alignment,
how do you do that?
Speaker 2 (04:15):
How do you do that?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
And then Jay stud the Story of You asked a
question about GMS in college foot Well they're gems in
basketball as well, right, So the story goes a little
bit something like this. There are gms now in college sports,
(04:41):
and Alabama secured their GM. What to secure their GM mean? Well,
a GM for a college football team. Again, I don't
know exactly what is for college football.
Speaker 2 (04:56):
I knew that.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
I do know that college basketball teams have GM. But
Courtney Morgan gets a market setting deals.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
That's what it says.
Speaker 1 (05:06):
Like he's getting paid because USC came calling and tried
to tried to poach him. If you will, you know,
if you can poach coach players, you can always poach coaches.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Why wouldn't you do that?
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And he agrees to a new contract and he ends
up staying. He gets eight hundred and twenty five thousand
dollars to be the general manager. What does the general
manager mean? Well, it means you manage the roster, all
of that nil stuff. He handles it now ultimately as
the head coach. When it comes down to brass tax
(05:42):
and completing negotiations, it comes to your desk. You become
the president, you become the CEO. But it's if there's
a phone call coming in from an agent, if there's
a phone call coming in from a donor, you let
the donors funnel through the GM. First thing is it's
just too much to do for one person. I can't
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tell you what it's like for a football team. For
a basketball team, I have currently have twelve scholarship players,
and I have seventeen players overall on my roster, and
I check in with all of them every day, just
I mean, a little.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Text to whatever.
Speaker 1 (06:23):
It's a phone call, or they come if I'm in
Green Bay, they come by the office. I also have
my staff, which as of now is one of four
or five, six, potentially seven. Right, we meet the phone
or in person every day, and then if you factor
(06:43):
in all the other little things you have to do
things on campus. I have bosses, my ethletic director Josh Boone,
my president Mike Alexander. We also have donors. We have
all sorts of other people in town. Multiply that again.
College football, you have eighty five scholarships Alabama, you have
these gargantuan staffs. And while all of those people are
(07:05):
important and technically they're in your watch and it funnels
to you, you do need somebody else to handle a
lot of the things that you don't have the band
with or just the time to handle.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Chase new is that I don't know if I explained
what it is and how big a trend it is.
It is something that college basketball teams have and college
football teams have. I don't know why this particular gentleman
is seen as so valuable. Then you know you're worth
what somebody's willing to pay you. And Courtney Morgan apparently
is worth eight hundred and twenty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
So is this a new thing? I'm not as in
tuned in the college game as you guys. Have general
managers been in college football for a long time? Or
is this a new title? Given the new landscape.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
It's fairly new.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
But I would say last five years new.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Last five years.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
And again I'll give you, I'll give you an example
of what a GM would do if I had a GM.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Okay, so I have I have three players.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I actually have five or six, but three players who
very very definitely cannot fit on a traditional mattress.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
They're too tall. They're too tall.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
And for the summer, everybody's been in the dorms. And
this may shock you, but the dorms are kind of
you know, they're college dorms. You know, they're nine by
twelve rooms. Now, ours are pretty nice. We have four
dorm rooms. You have your own room, and then you
have a main like hangout room, and you have your
guys have your own bathrooms whatever.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Like, Oh that's cool, okay.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
But the beds, the bunk beds are twin mattresses, so
when you're seven foot one, you don't fit on a
twin mattress at all. Most of my guys don't fit
on mattresses. So I spoke with There's a company which
I believe is the biggest furniture manufacturer, and they also
(09:10):
they make their own mattresses called WGNR. It's located in Wisconsin.
I spoke with the CEO, the outgoing CEO and the
new CEO, and I said, is there anything we can do?
And we negotiated a deal yesterday at a place called
the Freedom House in Green Bay, Wisconsin. We had guys
pass out mattresses to people in need. Okay, and I've
(09:35):
some through our own nil funds. We want our guys
to have the best mattresses.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
It sounds really really.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Really basic, okay, But all the steps, all the connecting,
all the coordinating, and I have staff members that help me,
but you can't have anyone other than the head coach
called the CEO of a massive company. It just doesn't
work right. This is all part of kind of the
workload of things that I'm dedicated to helping my players
and preparing them best for not just school but life.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Then and I have to make those calls.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
So what I would guess the GEM would do in
this case is like the head coach still makes the
calls and still makes the arrangement, and then when it
gets passed off to people arranging it, he handles everything.
That's his job. So does it still take up your time? Sure,
but generally it takes up most of his time. And
then the reality to it is that a program like USC,
(10:26):
a program like Alabama, you're constantly managing your roster, talking
with your coaches who do you want to keep and
who we don't want to keep, who do you want
to replace them with? And so that guy is he's
watching film of you know, fifty different teams per week,
trying to identify players that will end up in the portal.
(10:47):
And while you can't talk to those players because they're
not in the portal. You can talk to their agents
and say, hey, look, we'd love to have a cornerback.
If you have a cornerback who's available. Like all of
these things eliminates the head coach didn't do anything illegal,
the general manager didn't do anything illegal, and there's no
contacting of the players. But the players have agents, rep
go betweens, and those are conversations that take place, and
(11:09):
when you're the head coach, you just don't have any
of that time. You just don't, especially at Alabama, at
USC at Washington, and you just don't because you're trying
to coach your team and you have to do press
conferences local and national. You have to appearances, you have
to do stuff with boosters, you have to meet with
the players, you have to sit on meetings with the coaches.
(11:31):
And then oh yeah, by the way, you also have
to have some form of a life.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
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Speaker 1 (11:49):
I thought this was interesting. Tom Brady was he was
really interesting at the Fanatics event. At the Fanatics event,
in New York City. He had this to say, and
it was sort of talking about Tula without talking about Tula.
On how rookie quarterbacks are up against it nowadays.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
There used to be college programs. Now there are college teams.
You're no longer learning a program, You're learning a playbook,
and the program is ultimately like at Michigan, for me,
that was a pro style program. Five years. I got
to learn how to drop back pass, to read defenses,
to recoverages, to be coached. I had to learn from
being seventh quarterback on the depth chart to moving up
(12:31):
to third to ultimately being a starter. I had to
learn all those things in college. That was development. Then
I went to New England and I was developed by
coach Belichick and the offensive staff there. I didn't start
my first year. I think it's just a tragedy that
we're forcing these rookies to play early. But the reality
is the only reason why that is because we dumb
the game down, which has allowed them to play.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
It used to be thought of at a higher level.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
We used to spend hours and hours in the offseason
in training camp trying to be a little bit better
next year. But I think what happens is discourages the
coaches from going to deep levels because they realize the
players don't have the opportunity to go to a deep level,
so they're just going to teach him where they're at.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
He couldn't be more right, That's just really it is.
He could not be more right? Is it makes it
really hard. And this is why the spread offense and
looking over to the sideline is taught in college football.
Like could we teach you how to read a defense? Yeah,
but we can't teach you in nine months. We can't
even teach you in a year and a half. It's
a four or five year process. And so then you
(13:33):
get to the NFL and this would happen to RG three, right.
Kyle Shanahan was his offensive cording, he was Rookie of
the Year. Now he tour his ACL at the end
of the year in the playoffs. But the fact is
that instead of putting him in the Shanahan offense and
having him learn, which by the way, is what happened
with Kirk Cousins, Kirk Cousins didn't play learn the offense
and has had a better longer career without any question.
(13:56):
Some of it is the injury to RG three instead
after Merley. We played at Merley, we had early success,
but then year two they tried to make him into
a more of a traditional quarterback instead of starting that
process year one or that process being started in college.
It didn't and it led to his failure. Cousins and
RG three, the perfect example of RG three was great
(14:19):
in college and he did you know, he got hurt
on year in college, but they ran the spread the
whole time, and he never truly learned to be under center,
never truly learned to read a defense, never truly learn
to go through progressions and not throw to air, you know,
throw to space. And because of his career was short,
and then he played right away in the NFL instead
(14:39):
of sitting and learning ingesting still Gotlieb show here on
Fox Sports Radio. I do have to ask, we haven't
necessarily had it in the show, but at what point, Jayce,
are you starting to get nervous about the fact that
the Padres are Prayde aren't good?
Speaker 2 (14:59):
Right, I'm in They're They're they're pretty darn good.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I mean, since the third of August they've lost three games,
fifteen and three. Right, they're at seventy one and fifty
five and right now, like their pitching is better than
your boys. Just at what point do you start to
get nervous? All right, we get back to that in
a second. Let's welcome in Mike Jones, national NFL writer
for The Athletic. He covers the National Football League and
(15:26):
he joins us here on the Doug Gottlieb Show on
Fox Sports Radial. Mike, you've done this for a long time.
Give me your thoughts. Kind of a little bit removed
from it, Tua comes out very critical of how he
was treated by Brian Flores. Flores did respond, took some
accountability to it. What what's your takeaway as an NFL
(15:48):
national writer.
Speaker 7 (15:49):
Yeah, I mean it was a little surprising to see
to uh go that deep into it, and you know,
it's interesting to see Flores's response.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Look, he is an intil.
Speaker 7 (16:00):
I know that there were guys that I were talking
to during the hiring cycle who were looking for GM
jobs who said, I was like, who would be some
of your head coaching candidates? And there were guys who said, look,
and I asked about him, they said, really good coach,
but he's very intense and that can really wear you
down and can wear players down. He's got a manner
(16:23):
to him that can be abrasive and that obviously didn't
gel well with TUA. Now you have Mike McDaniel, who's
a guy who is very positive, very much into uplifting,
and that was the fit that TWA needed. That's not
to say Brian Flores can't be a good head coach
in the future, but that fit personality wise in his
style was not something that was positive for TUA.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, and it'll be interesting to see if he gets
another opportunity as a head coach with that now as
his rep, even if he has evolved out of some
of that, some of that rep. I want to ask.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
We talked a lot here about Pittsburgh. I'm not a buyer.
I just I just don't do you see them having
a viable quarterback on their roster.
Speaker 7 (17:10):
I do think they have one, but I don't know
if it's right away. You know, they have Russell Wilson.
They're going to roll with him for a while. You know,
Mike Tomlin continues to stand by that he is going
to be the guy that's the starter. I think Justin
Fields can still develop into a quality quarterback. I think
that the offense that Arthur Smith would run for him.
(17:31):
That's one thing about Arthur Smith is he's very creative
in tailoring and attack to what his players do well.
And he's very conscious of not putting too much on
a young quarterback. And so I think that, look, it
might be Russell Wilson's start, but I would be very
surprised if by November there hasn't been a switch to
justin fields.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Now.
Speaker 7 (17:52):
I'm not saying that he's going to put up, you know,
Pro Bowl numbers in year one with the Steelers, but
they feel good about his future and the fit there,
and I do think that the philosophy that they have
there probably would be good for him and developing him,
and he could wind up being a long term answer
quarterback for.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
The Dallas Cowboys. It's been a weird camp.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
The Ceedee Lamb, the Micah Parsons, the Dak Prescott in
the last year of his deal. What does it look
like when they take the field for Game one?
Speaker 7 (18:21):
You know it's going to be interesting because, look, like
you said, all those guys uncertain status head coaches in
a lame duck year. Jerry Jones has got to get
something done with some of these guys just because you
want the distractions to be out of the way. They
he talks big and he wants championship, and this is
not the way that you breed that winning culture. When
(18:44):
you have your best players that have still not been
taken care of and there's all this uncertainty flying around them.
He's got to, you know, as you get down the
crunch time, here are writing some checks and get this
distraction behind them.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
I'm intrigued by Gardner. You know.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Last year obviously he fills in for Richardson and Indy.
Now he comes to the Raiders. Tom Telesco, the new
GM I thought smart obviously has Indy ties. He goes
and gets a guy who's proven to be, you know,
a spot starter, can go for a season. I don't
think he's their long term answer. Uh, they got to
bump with the coaching change last year. Where do the
(19:21):
Raiders end up this year?
Speaker 7 (19:24):
Yeah, you know, it's gonna be interesting to see how
this plays out, because, like you said, when you need
him to, you know, basically come off the bench and
fill in as your starter, he does well. If he
has to be the guy. I don't know, but you know,
obviously players can grow. He's on a different staff, different team,
He's got you know, quality weapons. I think that they'll
(19:45):
be competitive, but if you look at the rest of
their division there, they're not going to be better than
the Chiefs. They you know, I know, the start the
Chargers have, you know, hit the reset button there with
a new head coach. But they've got you know, justin Herbert. Still,
I don't think they're gonna better than Chargers. They'll probably
be better than the Broncos. So they're still trying to build
something here. I think the Gardner Minshew is probably the
(20:07):
right choice, but again he's just a bridge for them
as they're continuing to transition to move forward. I don't
expect a huge, you know type of playoff run out
of them this year.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Fair enough, It's totally fair. I don't expect a huge
playoff run either. Okay, bow knicks, there's just a lot
of buzz. He played a lot of college foot obviously,
started as a freshman at Auburn, then goes to Oregon,
improved steadily during his time. Dad was a quarterback at
Auburn back in the day, and Sean Payton hand picks
a quarterback. How immediate or do you see any success
(20:40):
for bo Nicks in Denver.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
I mean, I think that we'll see some good things,
but he's also going to take his licks. You know,
guess he's looked good in the preseason. But we always
got to remember, none of these defensive coordinators are game planning.
Might see you know, two three quality weeks out of him,
and then it's going to get tougher because there's going
to be game thumb and then they're going to be
able to die sex his weaknesses and force them into mistakes.
(21:02):
Sean Payton's got to find ways to eat pressure on him,
not put too much on him, and not position him
to try to press. If you can stay within the system,
that helps. But you know, again, I think he's going
to take some lumps and that's okay. It's just a process,
and so I don't think that, like I said, nobody's
getting past the Chiefs. And I think that the Broncos
(21:25):
might be the last place in that division just because
of where they are in their process.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Yeah, I think, I mean them and the Raiders obviously
are the two. Although we'll see with the Chargers completely
new regime and a new offensive scheme. Even if Herbert's
back practicing. Who does he actually throw to? I think
all that is fascinating. Mike Jones Jonius the National Football
League national writer for covering the entire league for the
Athletic Let's get to the Packers. Last year, so much
(21:51):
unknown with Jordan Love, low expectations this year, new contract,
highest paid player in the game and still a very
young roster. That beat the Cowboys in Dallas, nearly beat
the Niners in San Francisco. But what's the Shakespearean quote?
Heavy is the head that wears that kind of crown.
He's only started for a year. Like it's not like
(22:12):
I know he's been in the league for this is
fourth fifth year in the league. But to we started
for a year, and usually your second time through is
like your second time through the order as a starting pitcher.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
What I think Jordan loves seasons like this.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Year, I think he's going to have a quality season.
I don't know if it's going to be exactly like
that second half of the season where he really went
on its hair and they you know, you know, made
the push for the playoffs upset and then you know,
like you said, it came very close to beating forty
nine Ers. I think it can be close to that
though everything I hear they are really pleased with his
(22:43):
development is continued progress, adding Josh Jacobs to have a
quality run game. They'll continue to find ways to you know,
support him in the run game. And also his young
wide receivers have another year under their belt. So I
think the Packers could be kind of scary out there
for some of these teams. Yes, you know you're looking
at Detroit. They were at a loss to the forty
(23:03):
nine Ers will game away from the super Bowl, but
the Packers could wind up you know, jumping, you know,
over top of them and winning that division. And you know,
once they get to the playoffs, we'll see. But I
think that we could see another good year from Jordan Love,
more growth out of him, because everything I've heard is
that the trajectory is where they want it to be,
where they're hoping it's going to be. And like you said,
(23:26):
it's a young roster, they play hard, they're continuing all
to grow together. It's a good situation up in Green Bay.
C J.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Stroud is who we thought Trevor Lawrence would be. Right
like c J.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
Stroud awesome, you know, two years ago, Trevor Lawrence had
a good year. They came back and beat the Chargers,
they gave the Chiefs a heck of a game, and
then last year kind of regressed to the meme no
one ever talks about the Jaguars ever.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
We're going to change that. We're going to change that.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Obviously, everyone's talking about Houston expectations there. I think Indy
Richardson in year two, let's see, but what about Jacksonville?
Speaker 2 (24:07):
What's your feel on this team?
Speaker 1 (24:08):
That is, without any question, I think one of the
five least discussed teams.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
In the league.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
Yeah, they least discussed, but there's still questions with them.
I mean, you know, losing Colin Ridley was big. You know,
who are the weapons that Trevor Lawrence is going to
go to to to really have, you know, some game
changing type of talent you need to have, you know,
something to work with there. We've seen some good out
of him, Like you said, he kind of regressed. We
haven't seen the consistency that you need to see. And
(24:36):
you know, you're hoping for their sake that he can
tap into that and right now we haven't seen it yet.
So it's going to be interesting. Whether or not they
can bounce back. I think that when you look at
the teams, obviously Houston, like you mentioned there, there's gonna
be pressure on them, expectations they didn't have to deal with.
I've got real questions, you know. Anthony Richardson, yes it's
(24:59):
here too, but skates year one because he you know,
only played, you know, such a smaller amount of games.
And then Tennessee is a team that they've you know,
continue to be aggressive loading up in free agency. But
I think it should come down to to Houston and Jacksonville.
H It's it's like time is starting to not run out,
but the pressure is there. Trevor Lawrence has to take
(25:20):
a leap forward. Doug Peterson has to be able to
help him to get to that level because this thing,
you know, the windows closed very quickly in this league.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Yeah, a lot of pressure in New York with the Jets.
What does Aaron Rodgers look like with that team, rebuilt
offensive line and a rebuilt a Chilles Tenant.
Speaker 7 (25:39):
Yeah, that's a real question because this is something that
we haven't seen before, a guy of his age coming
off of that injury and trying to lead a team
to a Super Bowl. The offensive line being revamped and
fortified will help. You know, he's got talented young players
to throw to, and in the backfield, their defense should be,
(26:00):
you know, pretty decent. Obviously, they're still missing the pass
rushers that they acquired that they thought was going to
help be a difference maker, you know, but you know,
we'll see again. It looks like on paper, if he
can stay healthy, they should be able to contend. But
still are they good enough to go toe to toe
with the Chiefs? What about the Ravens, the Bengals. I
(26:22):
don't know that they actually are, so they'll be in
the mix, but for them to win a Super Bowl
and make a deep playoff run might be a little
bit unrealistic.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Mike Jones National Football League. A writer for The Athletic, he.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Covers the entire league fall on social media, downloaded stuff.
It's all excellent, Mike, you're the best man. Can't wait
for the season to kick off.
Speaker 7 (26:44):
Let's talk soon, all right, Thanks, Doug, I appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (26:47):
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Speaker 5 (27:42):
The press.
Speaker 8 (27:47):
So, Doug, yes, I do need to clarify. This story
of the All you Can Eat has nothing to do
with anyone being fat or overweight. It has nothing to
do without whatsoever. So this is I don't know of Jason,
if you want to scold Sam on his get back music,
it has nothing to do with the story that I'm
about to tell you. How we're talking about All you
(28:10):
Can Eat, So it has nothing to do with anybody
being fat. Okay, well, so who's offended. That's I'm just
I'm just saying. You usually like to take the songs
and connect them, Doug. You know Sam loves to do this, Yes,
of course.
Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (28:21):
And so the all you can eat you would think
that it's someone just having like three hundred dollars worth
of food and not leaving. Correct, Oh cantreer monfrere Let's
head to Portage, Indiana, where there was an incident at
the local Applebee's and Shanisha Cobbs ended up getting arrested
(28:45):
for her role in what went down. All you can
eat offer going down, Cobbs claimed that she could order
the all you can eat and then the five other
people with her would then be able to eat off
of that, essentially rule number one of the buffet or
anywhere you want to go. A verbal disturbance occurred. Police
(29:11):
were then called. There were people screaming at each other.
According to the police report, that multiple females were screaming
and threatening people and it was all because Cobbs and
her party did not realize that it was a fifteen
ninety nine per person all you can eat. She didn't
(29:33):
realize homeless wings, riblets, double crunt shrimp, and endless fries.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Okay, so I went to test in high school and
I've told some version of this story because there's a
bunch of stories that come from it. But every week
during the basketball season he had Player of the Week.
He was a great honor. But the one thing that
was bestowed upon that honor, an award, was also a
little bit of a burden in that whoever won would
(30:00):
get a free all you can eat at Sizzler, which,
for people who don't know is wasn't all you can eat.
I don't they still have scissors all you can eat
right down the street, literally like walking distance from school.
You go to Sissler get all you can eat, which
was when you're in high school and you're eating like crazy.
And look, I think this is like the free Refiels cup,
(30:21):
you know where there have been people for years they
get the water free refil cup and then they get
the soda out of it. Right, it's low budget, but
it's done. Let's not act like I can see in
the world most people on a Sizzler. You know, if
you have two people that go to Sisslor, the third person,
it's not that big a deal. But there's a limit
there and you got to be clever about it, and
(30:44):
these people were not clever about it all. They're just
when you're an adult, you don't do that stuff.
Speaker 8 (30:49):
Well yeah, and she was apparently got into an argument
with other customers there when it was pointed out to
her when police arrived that on the menu it says
maybe not in seventy two font size, but at least
in sixteen bold it says per person. Someone in her
party ended up paying their full bill going in and understanding,
(31:11):
but that wasn't before she was dis arrested on the
charges of disorderly conduct and taking to the Porter County jail.
Speaker 2 (31:20):
She went to jail, matter, what are you in for? Murder?
What are you in for?
Speaker 3 (31:24):
So?
Speaker 2 (31:24):
What are in for? I had too many friends come
in on Sissler.
Speaker 8 (31:28):
I remember going to an establishment like this guy, Are
you guys fans of TGI Fridays?
Speaker 2 (31:33):
Sure?
Speaker 8 (31:34):
And my wife wanted something that was only on the
kids menu and they said, no bueno. This is before
we had Brody could not order it from the kid's menu.
You had to be a child to order from the
kid's menu.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
What if I acted like I was a chill like shaw?
Speaker 8 (31:51):
Nisha Cobbs did, yeah, maybe that would work, but they said, sorry,
you have to have a child with you.
Speaker 9 (31:57):
Usually it's the other way around. You're like, you have
to be eighteen to do something, you to be one
to do right, this is reverse, you have to be
a child.
Speaker 8 (32:02):
I do feel weird when I get a happy meal
at McDonald's when I'm bringing it home. I have no
business in ordering a happy meal. But when I go
to McDonalds and I'm the only one of my wife
is like, hey, can you just pick them up a
four piece nugget? Like sure, absolutely, So then I go
there and it's the only thing and it's just me
in the car, and it looks like I'm ordering the
happy meal. I do have a little I do feel
(32:25):
a little weird doing that, because I also feel like
it seems like I'm trying to take advantage of McDonald's.
In that aspect.
Speaker 9 (32:32):
Things are priced appropriately, though. You get what you pay for,
so whether it's it's in a child's little toy box
or not, you're getting you're getting four piece nugget for
however much it costs.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
Now and finally, my final point about this this story
is everywhere I took a lot of the information from
what The New York Post reported about this. They used
four pictures to supplement this article. One mug shot. Two
they went to Google street you and took a picture
of that specific portage Indiana Applebee's. Three they just used
(33:06):
a stock photo of Applebee's bonus wings. And four there
was an image of the menu where you can plainly
see limited time, only fifteen ninety nine per person for
all you can.
Speaker 9 (33:19):
Okay, I have one. Here's the underlying golden question here.
How do you go in thinking it's sixteen dollars for
six people? You can eat rubbish?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
You don't. That's that's the part of this bull that's part.
Speaker 9 (33:32):
It's like two dollars a person for like.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
Listen, Sam, Sam, it's bull crap. Of course, Okay, what
they did was wrong. Their adults that did wrong, and
then they got called on it. And that's when people
when you get called on your bs and then.
Speaker 2 (33:45):
What were you talking about?
Speaker 1 (33:46):
You?
Speaker 8 (33:47):
I didn't know, like, come on, man, yeah, you're exactly
right about that. It also just seems like she thought, well,
the more mad I get, maybe they're just gonna say, ah,
forget about it, you know, just go just go. But
that didn't happen.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
That's not them.
Speaker 4 (34:00):
Good yeah, good for them. These people are despicable. Remember
the when the Atkins diet was in style, Yeah, and
me and my coworker did it. And we went to
Shaky's down the street every single lunch. All you could
eat Shaky's pizza. We ate the toppings, left the crust.
(34:21):
The crust was like stacked up for like three feet
and we would get these dirty looks from the workers
that would come over to get the uneaten crusts that
could feed probably half the city's homeless people.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Look, we used to do this rock and I think
it was rock and roll sushi on Ledo Island and
Newport Beach, So this was like my spot forever. It
would used to be all you can eat sushi is
like twenty four ninety nine. You go in, but the
rule was like you ordered these rolls, you had to
eat the rice, and like you get to the point
you're like, I just want to eat the fish, to
fish the expensive part, and you know if you didn't
(34:53):
eat the rice, you'd be like, hey, there was no
sashimi on that menu either.
Speaker 8 (34:59):
I think this is the sorry that everyone can can
at least relate to. We always talk about in the
NFL and the season is coming up, who's going to
go worse to first? Last year there was one NFL
team did in the eighth division. Yes, it was the
Houston Texans who won the AFC South last year. A
buddy Jimmy Shapiro ended up reaching out to the odds
makers at bet online and said, Hey, what's the likelihood
(35:22):
of us having some worst of first and some repeat
division winners from twenty twenty three? So of the four
last place teams, or excuse me, have the eight last
place teams? Last year there were the Patriots, Bengals, Tennessee, Titans, Chargers, Commanders, Bears, Carolina,
and Arizona. Who do you don't have to pick just one,
(35:44):
but how many of those you think could win the division? Patriots,
no Bengals, right, maybe yeah, Tennessee probably not.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
No Chargers probably not. Ohh, I don't.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
Put it like Listen. The Charges have always been competed
with the Chiefs. I think the Broncos are still in rebuild,
try and fix it mode. I think the Raiders are
very much in fixing mode. I don't think it's who
else other than Chargers.
Speaker 8 (36:07):
Just the Chiefs, all of the other teams Commanders, Panthers, Cardinals,
and Bears. Maybe the Bears, but Cardinals. Okay, yeah, that's
crazy better not crazy? Well, last place schedule not crazy.
Yeah yeah. So that's three teams that you like, maybe four.
The over under is one, So the odds makers in
Vegas have said the over under is one for last
(36:28):
place teams to win first. Sounds like you're taking the Overdug.
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I'm taking the over. Why not? Sure?
Speaker 8 (36:33):
The over under for repeat division winners three and a half.
There were four last year, so four would hit the
over this year.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I would go under on that because that feels like
a high numbering compaison of the years in the past.
Speaker 8 (36:44):
Sure, and that's the press.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
Get out there and pressed.
Speaker 5 (36:48):
That was the press.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
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