October 1, 2024 • 37 mins
Doug tells you what we are to make of the Detroit Lions after four weeks of the season as they defeated the Seahawks on Monday Night. Doug welcomes TJ Houshmandzadeh onto the show to talk about the Chiefs, the Steelers and all of the other major headlines around the NFL. Plus, Dan Beyer explains what his "Beyer's Remorse" is.
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Let's start with the Detroit Lions, who now three and
one on the year. Lone loss was at home to
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They weren't perfect last night. Well
one guy was perfect last night was Jared Goff. I
guess the only thing he did wrong was they're up
what fourteen late and on third and one when they're
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just they were going to get a two minute warning
and they're trying to run out the clock. He drops
back the pass, the pack, the pocket collapses. He tries
to scramble and gets tackled right at about the gold line.
Tries to stretch the ball out, but they kind of
explained why you don't get forward progress there. It was
a safety outside of that eighteen for eighteen throwing the football.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Here's Jared Goff after the game.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
Never Never, I don't think I've ever done it. I
knew it did in the first half last week, so
I was aware of it then and I was kind
of aware of it today. About the middle of the
third quarter. I was like, I couldn't think of one,
But then I threw the one out of bounds. I
ended up being offensive pass interference and I was like,
does that count?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I't I didn't know that.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
I didn't know if that counted or not.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
But yeah, good day, Yeah it was. It was a
pretty good day. Here's Dan Campbell, his head coach, on
Jared Golf.
Speaker 7 (03:09):
I just gave the game ball to somebody else, So
I feel awful right.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Now to see Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
No, I well, I knew he played a heck of
a game. I did not realize he was perfect. I
did not know he was literally eighteen for eighteen I
mean that, But but I knew he played really well.
You could feel it, and he really found his rhythm
early and I thought he was seeing the field played
with rhythm. He had to move a little bit in
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the pocket. I thought what really kickstarted him as is
the you know, he had to kind of move in
the pog got spun around and hung with Jamo and
hit him on the hook for the first down. Was
big man, because he was rolling.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
After that, he was and the offense is great for
a while.
Speaker 8 (03:53):
Now.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
He did get stagnant in the second half, and it
was a pretty competitive game. I thought Seattle played after
you know, the first two and a half quarters, Dan
where like they had some breakdowns and coverage that were
just bizarre that James, Now, James Williams obviously is incredibly fast,
but they just had some breakdowns. You're like, wow, he's
not only wide open, no one's going to tackle him.
Speaker 9 (04:15):
Yeah, well, it's tough when he's got a head start
and guys, I mean, he's so fast, but you're right,
when he caught the football there wasn't anybody that was
really in clear view. But again, and I've said this
with the with the Legion of Boom of their success
was really dependent on if the defensive line could get
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something on the quarterback, get pressure hand in their face.
So the Michael Bennetts of the world, the Clefavrels, even
the Chris Clemens when they were first starting. If you
could get after the quarterback, it made Richard Sherman's job
a lot easier. To take nothing away from those guys,
but you have to have pressure on the quarterback. And
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they did sack Jared Goff three times last But when
you're eighteen of eighteen, it tells me that your defensive
line didn't do their job, no matter how many guys
are out. I mean they had Leonard Williams didn't play,
first round pick Byram Murphy didn't play, Boy and Mafe
didn't play. They still don't have a chen of Nuosu.
So they were severely shorthanded on defense last night. And
it hurts the back end when you don't get that
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pressure on the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
This is very true.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
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Speaker 2 (05:44):
All right, good work, there you go.
Speaker 9 (05:46):
You know it is interesting last night because we talked
about this on the pod that is available wherever you
get your podcasts. Mike Carmen and myself do it right
after the Monday night games. Ian Roddy's our executive producer
and Ian chime in as well. But the conversation, the
point that I brought up of Geno Smith now is
the Seahawks quarterback and seeing seeing what bo Nix is
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doing with the Broncos, which isn't much, and seeing what
is happening with Caleb Williams in Chicago in trying to
get those rookie quarterbacks ready for play. You're going through
growing pains, and to watch Geno Smith, I'm not find
with the Seahawks having Gino Smith as their quarterback for
the next five years. He was great last night. He
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gets the ball to the guys who need to get
the football. When you look at their offense and you
take away the gino smith that you think that he
is and you actually watch him, he is more than
sufficient for what they need to do.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So offensively they are.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
He's a thought enough to get away from trouble in
case you run for first down. He's got a good
enough arm. He delivers the ball, yeah, relatively quickly, like
you know, again, as long as you keep it, you know,
like cost wise, Like that's the kind of guy. And
I just it's honestly, Dan that you bring up a
great point. And I don't know if this is what
you meant to bring up, but I appreciate you for
doing it. It's hey, what if you just had a
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good quarterback that we all know is not great, but
you also didn't pay him sixty million dollars. You paid him, like, no,
fifteen twenty million dollars. And he said, what if we
have a guy who's just good, steady, solid, fine, okay,
and then we put a really good team around him,
And it's like the brock Purty thing, only instead of
having a young quarterback who doesn't make anything then eventually
is gonna make a bunch, you have a guy who's
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been doing a long time.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You slightly overpay him, but you don't massively be overpay him.
Is that about right?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (07:36):
Yeah, I think I think he's really good. Like I
don't want to say that he's he's great, but I
think even good is almost a bit of an underselling
for what we've seen in the quarterback play around the NFL.
And it's tough to go up against the guy who
goes eighteen of eighteen last night, but the Yeas had
to throw the ball fifty six times. Gino is fully
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capable of doing that even with an offensive line that
played good last night. I actually played really well in
past sitting situations, which were a lot because they trailed early.
But yeah, it look around the National Football League and
you look at some of the struggles that those teams have.
And I bring up bon Nicks only for the reason dougas,
if the Seahawks were to draft a quarterback in the
next draft, it would probably be around in the area
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where Bonnicks was drafted, or even later and maybe in
an area where Kenny Pickett was drafted. And are you
really getting the value of pick at that point when
you're drafting in the mid to late first rounds. I
don't think that you are. Jordan Love is starting to
become one of the exceptions to the rule. But I'd
rather just keep what you have with Gino Smith. So
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the talk of the Seahawks looking for a quarterback, I
just I think right now has gone out the window
for oh it's played.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I think what you do is And here's one Could
Darnold be the next Geno?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Is this kind of a new sort of role we're
finding with some of.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
These guys Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Now, Baker makes a lot of money and he probably overpaid,
but it's guys that have had a shot in the
past and have whatever level failed, but they still have
accumulated all that knowledge and they haven't lost their confidence
and their competent.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
They're not great, but they're good.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And it's like the reappearance of a middle class in
a system that has had no middle class for the
last ten.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
To fifteen years. Yeah, yeah, good point.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah yeah, Jay,
you guys are.
Speaker 10 (09:34):
Talking about quarterbacks here, and you know you played sound
of Dan Campbell talking about Jared Goff's eighteen for eighteen
that's another It's just the most recent example of a
room full of sycophantish writers over exaggerating their laughter at
a pretty you know, this joke is actually for Chalk
(09:56):
and meatthead standards. It's actually a pretty fun joke. But
I want to compare the reaction in the room last
night after Dan Campbell drops this joke to the famous
one where Tom Brady told his joke. So here's the
Dan Campbell one.
Speaker 7 (10:11):
I just gave the game ball to somebody else, so
I feel awful, right.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
Guy, I had to see?
Speaker 9 (10:23):
So then remember, can I can I quick interject something
with that? Because I do want to I want to
hear it again. There's there's also the reporter who has
to then be in on the laughter quick anywhere. He
follows up like he's got to have something to say
because he needs to be a part of the joke
as well, because he needs to be thought of as
witty and funny.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
So if you listen to that replay that.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
There's also there's also one of those, which is the
ultimate fake laugh.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Nobody laughs like that.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
I just gave the game ball to somebody else, so
I feel awful, right guy.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
To see?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
So then it sounds like a motorcycle trying to fire
up right, So chance that guy ever, Like that's that's
the kind of laugh that keeps you.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
From marrying a chick. She's like, I was gonna marry him,
but what happened. It was an annoying laugh.
Speaker 9 (11:16):
And I agree with Jason. I actually do think it
was funny like it was. It was a funny delivery. Yeah,
I did chuckle with it.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
For me to have the standards, it was just.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Because it was just kind of matter of fact, you know,
matter of fact.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
But remember Tom Brady's final season.
Speaker 10 (11:32):
Yes, they had some wacky play to end a game
and they won, and he went to the now tired
cliche that's how we drew it up. And he he
may as well have been Chris Rock meets Kevin Hart
dropping this line.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Just like we drew it up, like we drew it up.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
That was Sam And the last part.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Right, that was yeah in the background.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
He actually wasn't.
Speaker 9 (12:05):
He did throw an incompletion if you guys noticed it
or not, and they addressed it in the post game.
But he threw it in completion, but the Lions were
called for a penalty pass interference and it was it
was a golden goal situation, so it was first in
goal to ten, So the Seahawks took the penalty and
backed them up. If they declined the penalty and have
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a second in goal from the ten, then golf is
not perfect last night.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
So a line's.
Speaker 9 (12:30):
Penalty actually saved them because it was a bad throw,
and it was, but it was an offensive pass interference.
You would have been you would have been eighteen of nineteen.
Speaker 10 (12:38):
Instead, we wouldn't have gotten Dan Campbell and that joke.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Oh, just like we.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Drew it up. We drew it up. We drew it up,
just like we drew it up.
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said you can't trust Detroit because why were they throwing
the football when they're up to touchdowns and they had
kind of a free play and he got that safety
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in it. You know, it made it at least interesting
last two minutes of the game. And I pointed out
last year when they lost to San Francisco that the
decision making from Dan Campbell and whoever decided when to go,
when not to go, when to go for two, when
to kick a fieldal all that stuff, it was contradictory
to one common sense. And then there were times in
which they decided to not go four times in which
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they went for it, And when they go for it
and don't get it, they're like, well, that's what we do,
but they don't always do it, So which are you?
But my thing is a couple things. When I saw it,
I did one sideline game for the NFL for Fox
NFL Fox, and I was in Miami and Adam Gase
was the coach, and everyone we met with from.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
The organization was like, do you know who.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
The one guy we've had, because they've had just a
turnstile of coaches and they're like, the one guy that everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Loved was Dan Campbell.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
And so when he got the job, I was I
was a defender of the of the press conference because
you know so much of it. When you're an NFL coaches,
you gotta have the respect to the locker room. He
does as a former player, okay, and he's a hard
worker and you just got him get him play hard,
like hire really good coaches to do the all coaching
stuff he has. With what he's done on the offensive
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side of the ball, he didn't call any plays and
he's a former tight end, didn't call plays.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
He's got the best player call.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
In the business.
Speaker 11 (14:32):
So I.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Liked it.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I didn't know it would be this good because I've
never been a big Jared golf guy. But the other
part to it is kind of like Tampa. You draft
that high that long, eventually you're going to figure it out,
and they have. But my big takeaway is, hey, you
can win anywhere. We're like four or five years removed
from people going why is Detroit on Thanksgiving Day?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Why tell me?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Why?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Tell me why?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
To now it's like Detroit's on all the time, no
Monday night football, and why would you watch the other game?
They're a good watch, They're a fun team, They're electric offensively.
But again, just snapshot in time, I would say there
was a good ten year conversation. And I know it
through three different networks, right I was at ESPN, at
CBS and a Fox at each of the networks. At
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some point in time, somebody brought up the why is
Detroit always on on Thanksgiving Day?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Like they stink? It's not fun? What are we doing?
Real quick?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Dan byer uniforms, your thoughts, they're not good at all.
It's one of those things where you're known for one thing.
It'd be like I went to see Barry Manilow with
my mom. Imagine if he didn't play Mandy.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Imagine if he didn't play Mandy. You know, like I
get you have the new album.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
We had some songs on the new album, but start
with and end with something everybody knows. You're on Monday
Night football and you wearing black uniforms. Like that's kind
of a Thursday night football thing, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You're Honolulu Blue. I don't that one. I'm with you
on that one.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
It's it's like, let's we don't have to screw up
a really good thing.
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It's Doug oulib Show Fox Sports Radio. Hey are you
guys going to do a little let's choose buyer's remorse
in like fifteen minutes, because I think tags Benzata is
going to call in and I I got a bunch
of stuff I want to get to them. You guys
are okay with I'm dan. I'm sorry. Sometimes when you
said he took a bite and then you spoke, I
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couldn't hear any food in your mouth at all.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
So I was like, oh, well, he's good. My bad,
My bad. That's on me. I've done that before, might
do that all the time. I'm just rude. I'll eat
on there.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
I don't you know.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I'm kidding.
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do want to ask you about this? Some of the
stories coming out about Travis Kelsey suppose he trains in
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Florida in the off season this year, wasn't it training
in Florida? Is his slow start a product of a
guy who isn't doing.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
The work anymore?
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Man Like? I'm sure he put the work in, but
at times you get comfortable. Well what that means is
you're working, but you're now work and how you used
to work, you just got you gotten a little comfortable.
And I think what has happened is the slow start
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has kind of opened his eyes a little bit. I
guarantee you now he's probably doing more on Tuesdays, a
little more pre practice, a little more post practice because
of that, and I believe we'll start to see in
these next few games he'll start to play better. I mean,
he got comfortable. He's probably traveling. You know, you got
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a new girlfriend. You can't train as much or as
hard as you were because you're probably with her. You're
doing this and you're doing that. It's happened to all
of us at some point.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
They can they find a guy?
Speaker 4 (18:43):
I mean, they just don't have a dude now where
she rice and the defense is good and he did
a lot with a little last year, but can he
find a guy to help kind of save the season
with where she Rice likely out for lengthy amount of time.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
The Chiefs have shown like they won a super Bowl
last year and offense was terrible. Let's just call it
what it is. That defense carried them. They carried them
to a super Bowl last year, and the offense made
plays when needed, but for the most part, they won
a super Bowl because of Chris Jones and that defense.
Now the Chiefs have shown us also that they're willing
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to go out and get help. They they showed their
willing to trade for gridaras Tony during the season because
they knew they needed help. They knew they needed help.
They traded for Miko Hartman during the season because they
knew they needed help. Even though he was in their
system on their team, they got him back from the Jets.
So they're gonna try to trade for saver I don't
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see why they wouldn't. And you can look at guys
out there. You can look at a Marii Cooper. I
don't believe the Raiders will trade Devonte Adams in the division.
But if I'm the Chiefs, I'm gonna make that call.
I'm looking at the Houston Texans. They got so many
receivers in their roster. I'm calling the Houston Texas saying, hey,
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I want to trade John Mitchie. I want to trade
Robert Woods. Are you guys willing to part ways with
one of these dudes because those dudes can play now.
Woods is a little older, MITCHI, I believe it's super explosive.
Came out of Alabama with a ton of promise. But
those are the teams I'm calling to see if I
can get one of these receivers. They're going to have
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to be better, because I believe the teams in AFC
are better. But they've shown us average offense. We can
still win it because of our defense.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Djus Benzata join us in the Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. I was not a big to
a guy, but now without Tua, the Dolphins have no
hope considering just how precarious the situation would be if
Tua returns anyway, isn't the only way to save the
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Dolphins for him to retire so then get some of
that money.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Back, Like, I just don't know another way for them.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
So it's like number one two of means a lot
of that team. Obviously, you look at him that they
can bear to complete a pass. I mean Tyreek Hillwood
would have had two bombs. He was overthrown on one.
He was completely underthrown on the other one. Now, if
you're TUA, do you retire with all that money on
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the table. Absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
But now now look he here's the way I've heard
it works. If they make him retire, he gets the money.
If he retires on his own, he doesn't.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
They can not clear him. Now that's the injury guarantee.
His money is guaranteed because of injury. That's the route
they go. They don't clear him. Now he's guaranteed, are
guaranteed because of injury. But honestly, Doug, I believe we
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as football players, we want to play football. If I
was too, I'm playing. But you can everybody can have
an opinion. Everybody can say this. Everybody can say that.
When you're in your twenties, man, and you love the
game of football, ain't nobody gonna tell you not to play.
What if you have another concussion? Well, what if I'll
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deal with that? What if when that time comes? That's
just me. But that would be the only way is
if they don't clear them and then he still gets
the remainder of the guarantee money. I guess that's a
win win for both sides.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
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Speaker 2 (22:49):
Who's let me let me go around the leg a
little bit. Let's let's go Lamar Jackson two games in
a row.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Derek Henry's been incredible, but we saw in Tennessee that
that wasn't enough in the playoffs, and in Baltimore just
running the football hasn't been enough in the playoffs. Now,
Derek Henry's better than any running back they've had previously,
and he put him and Lamar Jackson good luck. But
my question is, does this change anyone's opinion on whether
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or not they can win the postseason playing this way?
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Wow? I think the Ravens should be careful by giving
Derrick Henry too many carries in the regular season and
then you wear him out and now here comes the
playoffs and he's had a ton of carries in his body.
I mean, yeah, he's big, he's is, he works extremely hard,
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but you can only take so many carries before your
body starts to break down. And so this is to
me the best running back obviously that they've had because
of Lamar, They're always going to be able to run
the ball effectively. But we know you're gonna have to
throw the ball at a high level to win, and
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Lamar is doing that. But can he do it when
it matters the most? And so if I'm the Ravens,
you want to get him going. You you want Henry
to run for a lot of yards, but you need
him and you want him to do these same things
in the playoffs. So you have to tread likely and
try to find a good balance of what's just enough.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Djos Benza is our guest here, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox
Sports Radio. Does Pittsburgh give Russell Wilson a shot?
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Uh? They lose the next three or four games. I
don't see that happening, So, I mean, I think this
might be we will I don't think we'll see Russell
Wilson playing Pittsburgh unlets Justin Field get hurt. Why would you?
Why would Justin philis playing? He's playing fine. The Russell
Wilson the last two years that we saw with the
Denver Broncos is not better than the Justin Phild that
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we're seeing today in Pittsburgh, he's not. And so if
you just go off for recent history, that Justin Fields
I see today is better than the Russell Wilson that
I've seen the last two years. I'm rolling with a
young guy that can make plays with his legs and
that's been such a huge plus for the students. Russell
Wilson isn't doing that. Let's say he gives you a
(25:21):
little bit more, but those third downs and those scrambles
at Justin Fields that he's doing, Russell Wilson doesn't bring
that to the table. So I believe unless Justin Field
gets hurt, we don't see Russell Wilson play for the
Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
What happened?
Speaker 11 (25:39):
Did Trevor Lawrence, a kid that Minie saw was the
top number one pick since Andrew Luck was going to
come into the league and do well.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
And you get Urban Meyer, you don't do well, you
get Doug Peterson. It's like, whoa damn? He did very well.
Should have won a playoff game, right or he did
win a playoff game? I should have you're losing to
the charges, you come all the way back and win it.
And since that season, he's falling off. I don't know what.
(26:11):
I don't know how to explain it. I don't know
what has happened. But I'm a big believer man, when
it comes to these quarterbacks, play calling, the understanding of
where to go with the ball, that matters so much
for a young guy. If you not getting that type
(26:32):
of coaching early in your career, I think it's almost
impossible to take that out of your mind when you
finally do get a good coach. And I don't know
what has happened. Because dud Peterson was the second coach,
you would assume that second season he's ready to go.
That's why they give him the contract extension. I don't
(26:55):
know what he's thinking. You know, he came out and said,
you know, I like football, but don't when we love it.
It's not my end all, be all type of thing.
Now I'm paraphrasing, but I can't even explain it. I've
never seen anything like you.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
It's crazy, it really, it's true.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
You recall the quarterback Doug Dad didn't play well, didn't
played well, got the big contract extension, and now you
can't play, no suspension, no games, like can you. I
can't explain it.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I mean I would say it's is it confidence?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Is it too many different And he's playing for a
quarterback guru as a coach like that one I don't
get either. Sound like he's playing for a guy that
doesn't get offense football. I want to ask you about
the Jets weird back and fourteen Aaron Rodgers and his
head coach where he's like, maybe we need to rethink
that Cadence thing.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
You know, that's Aaron Rodgers thing.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Then then when Solid gets a chance to fix it yesterday,
then he's like, well, you know, we got to get
the plays in, get the plays out of the huddle. Now,
all of a sudden he's going after the offensive coordinator,
who's also Aaron Rodgers guy, Like, what the hell is
going on with the Jets?
Speaker 5 (28:04):
I mean, Aaron Rodgers is pretty much he came in
to basically say the Jets season this year, say a
lodge job. He knows that, like, if Aaron Rodgers plays well,
roberts Ala will be the coach next year, and if
he doesn't, roberts Ala will be fired and they'll be
looking for a new dead coach. And he knows the
(28:26):
amount of power that he has in his hands. Just
by how he plays and how the jet it was
a team. I just feel like there's a certain level
of respect that we as players should have far coaches,
especially publicly. We don't want to undermine them. We don't
want to make it look as if I'm in control,
because the rest of the locker room sees that now
(28:47):
you man the man. You guys can have talks in
the office and be honest with each other. Look, coach,
I don't like when you do this, And as a coach, listen,
I don't like when you do this. We're men. We
can have those conversations, but publicly, we don't want to
do that publicly because it's going to be a conversation starter.
But it's been done publicly. They have to figure out
(29:08):
a way to sit down, to meet privately so that
these disagreements aren't happening. Happening and now the rest of
the team and the players and other coaches have to
answer these questions. Hackett is in that position because of
Aaron Rodgers. Is just no way the defense Hells holds
(29:29):
the Broncos to ten points. O Nicks plays one of
the worst games we've seen. The quarterback play and you lose,
you can't lose that game because when the season started
or before the season is like, oh, they probably lose
to the Niners. They'll be on one, but yeah, the
next three games they should win. They'll be three and one.
(29:49):
And then you play the Vikings. Oh that nobody thought
the Vikes a bell. You'll probably be four and one. Well,
now you're two and two, and you might be two
and three, and now because you're probably gonna lose the Vikings,
and so what many looked at the schedule and said, oh,
I can see a four on one season can be
two and three. But they need to talk privately so
they understand how to handle situations because neither one of
(30:13):
them are going to back down. And if anybody does,
we see some lot will come back to negader to
and say, ah, my bad. I just don't think it's
a good luck.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I would agree with you. He's the one who know
the A.
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Speaker 2 (31:51):
Let's get to buyer's remorse. Some have remorse.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
Come on, but there's nothing quite like buyers remorse.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Dan, you want to introduce the game.
Speaker 9 (32:09):
Yeah, Doug, it's not even a game. It's just when
I tell you something that I kind of changed my
mind about, or is something that I've said that were
believed in that has changed over recent events. And this
week I'm having some remorse over my belief in the
New York Jets. Now they could reinstill that belief with
a huge win in London on Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings.
(32:32):
But this was a Jets team that I picked to
win the division, and I thought that their early season
schedule was very, very tricky because you started on the
road on the West Coast, then you had to go
to Nashville, then you were home on a short week
against the Patriots. And they navigated that with a two
to one record. And what better way to capitalize and
go three to one is to have a team that
(32:53):
also has had a crazy start to the year. The
Denver Broncos have been on the road three of the
last four weeks. They've been up seemingly every corner of
the country, playing in Seattle, in Florida against the Buccaneers
and then going up to New York or New Jersey
and playing the Jets. And what an opportunity for the Jets,
who finally got some rest because they played on Thursday
night in Week three, to come out and lay the
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stinker that they did in Week four, losing ten to nine.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I get the conditions. I get the missed field goals.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
Still could have won in the game if Greg Zerlin
makes that fifty yarder, but still it shouldn't have been
that close. Bo Nick said, negative passing yards at the half,
in negative seven passing yards at the half, he was
seven to fifteen. He had sixty passing yards for the game,
and he still couldn't get it done. Yeah, I'm having
buyers remorse because I believed in the New York Jets
(33:44):
and they failed me miserably in Week four.
Speaker 10 (33:47):
Okay, it seems like there's a the riff is between
the quarterback and the head coach. Like we went through
the kind of episodes that happened between Sala and Rogers
basically since early in the offseason when he went to
Egypt and Sala was kind of unclear about that, and
(34:07):
then we skipped to the preseason when Sala was like, yeah,
he's not going to play in the preseason, and Rogers
told the media that's news to me. And then this
whole thing with the bump and hug thing that we
discussed on this show a couple of weeks ago that
was weird and never never cleared up by the media.
By the way, then boomeris Eisen comes out yesterday and
(34:28):
says that Rogers just doesn't respect his head coach. So
I don't even I don't know how that could possibly
be a fruitful work situation.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
For the Jets.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Okay, yeah, I mean I got a little Buyers and
more Sober Michael to take Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
You know, it's one of those.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Things where you bring back your offensive line. They're all
six year secure guys, and you have a quarterback who's
in his seventh year. And look, they have been great
except for you know, blocking for Oli Gordon after the
first three weeks last year. But you think our continuity
is King continuity. Everybody else has got movie parts.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
We got everybody back.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
But the truth is that you know, they e everybody
back and they're just they're good they're not spectacular.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
So it's my school.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
I still love them, but I bought in way too early,
knowing that it's just there's a just because you've been
there a year more does not mean all of a
sudden you relearn how to play football.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
To higher level. It's been a tough two weeks for him,
for sure.
Speaker 9 (35:43):
It's uh losing the game against Utah, especially without Cam
Rising playing. You're like, all right, I'll have to do this,
score X amount of points against a good Utah defense.
But now, tough one, tough one for the Pokes. I
think that's it for buyer's remorse.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
They're good.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
No, they don't have any buyers remorse.
Speaker 9 (36:06):
I don't think the segment's named after them, So right,
Sam Jason, I do have a couple of notes to
pass along in a quick press. By the way, if
we want to get to that, because it involves Davante Adams, I.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Just want to roll with this music. Yeah, oh, there
we go.
Speaker 9 (36:29):
All right, So the NFL Network reports that DeVante Adams
just told the Raiders that it prefers to be traded.
This was on the heels of Annie bounceign Your's report
that the Raiders were shopping him. ESPN's now jumped in
and they've had their own reporting and saying that the
Raiders when they are calling other teams asking if people
are or wondering if teams are interested in DeVante Adams,
(36:51):
they're asking for a second round pick and additional compensation
for the veteran wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Second round pick in additional calm. Yep, they'll get that.
Look at that.
Speaker 9 (37:03):
I don't know if it helps that everybody wants him
out of Las Vegas though. That's the only question is
there's not a lot of leverage right now, so it's
more of like, are you going to be in a
race for other contending teams for DeVante Adams? That would
be the reason why you would probably give up what
they would want. Von Miller suspended four games as well
for violating the league's Personal Conduct policy.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
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It's from the allegations last November. Tiger's up on the
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Tjosment's out of this hour is that right, guys, I'm
getting the thumb up. We have a little buyer's remorse.
I love that. It's like a game time game sort
of buyer's remorse.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
We do it on a Tuesday where things that you
thought or said out loud, good or bad, came back
to be wrong.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
It's called Buyer's remorse. That's upcoming.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
Let's start with the Detroit Lions, who now three and
one on the year. Lone loss was at home to
the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. They weren't perfect last night. Well
one guy was perfect last night was Jared Goff. I
guess the only thing he did wrong was they're up
what fourteen late and on third and one when they're
(02:22):
just they were going to get a two minute warning
and they're trying to run out the clock. He drops
back the pass, the pack, the pocket collapses. He tries
to scramble and gets tackled right at about the gold line.
Tries to stretch the ball out, but they kind of
explained why you don't get forward progress there. It was
a safety outside of that eighteen for eighteen throwing the football.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Here's Jared Goff after the game.
Speaker 6 (02:43):
Never Never, I don't think I've ever done it. I
knew it did in the first half last week, so
I was aware of it then and I was kind
of aware of it today. About the middle of the
third quarter. I was like, I couldn't think of one,
But then I threw the one out of bounds. I
ended up being offensive pass interference and I was like,
does that count?
Speaker 2 (02:59):
I't I didn't know that.
Speaker 6 (03:01):
I didn't know if that counted or not.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
But yeah, good day, Yeah it was. It was a
pretty good day. Here's Dan Campbell, his head coach, on
Jared Golf.
Speaker 7 (03:09):
I just gave the game ball to somebody else, So
I feel awful right.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Now to see Yeah.
Speaker 7 (03:16):
No, I well, I knew he played a heck of
a game. I did not realize he was perfect. I
did not know he was literally eighteen for eighteen I
mean that, But but I knew he played really well.
You could feel it, and he really found his rhythm
early and I thought he was seeing the field played
with rhythm. He had to move a little bit in
(03:36):
the pocket. I thought what really kickstarted him as is
the you know, he had to kind of move in
the pog got spun around and hung with Jamo and
hit him on the hook for the first down. Was
big man, because he was rolling.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
After that, he was and the offense is great for
a while.
Speaker 8 (03:53):
Now.
Speaker 4 (03:54):
He did get stagnant in the second half, and it
was a pretty competitive game. I thought Seattle played after
you know, the first two and a half quarters, Dan
where like they had some breakdowns and coverage that were
just bizarre that James, Now, James Williams obviously is incredibly fast,
but they just had some breakdowns. You're like, wow, he's
not only wide open, no one's going to tackle him.
Speaker 9 (04:15):
Yeah, well, it's tough when he's got a head start
and guys, I mean, he's so fast, but you're right,
when he caught the football there wasn't anybody that was
really in clear view. But again, and I've said this
with the with the Legion of Boom of their success
was really dependent on if the defensive line could get
(04:37):
something on the quarterback, get pressure hand in their face.
So the Michael Bennetts of the world, the Clefavrels, even
the Chris Clemens when they were first starting. If you
could get after the quarterback, it made Richard Sherman's job
a lot easier. To take nothing away from those guys,
but you have to have pressure on the quarterback. And
(04:58):
they did sack Jared Goff three times last But when
you're eighteen of eighteen, it tells me that your defensive
line didn't do their job, no matter how many guys
are out. I mean they had Leonard Williams didn't play,
first round pick Byram Murphy didn't play, Boy and Mafe
didn't play. They still don't have a chen of Nuosu.
So they were severely shorthanded on defense last night. And
it hurts the back end when you don't get that
(05:19):
pressure on the quarterback.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
This is very true.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
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That's the voice of a Seahawks officionado and the host
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Speaker 2 (05:44):
All right, good work, there you go.
Speaker 9 (05:46):
You know it is interesting last night because we talked
about this on the pod that is available wherever you
get your podcasts. Mike Carmen and myself do it right
after the Monday night games. Ian Roddy's our executive producer
and Ian chime in as well. But the conversation, the
point that I brought up of Geno Smith now is
the Seahawks quarterback and seeing seeing what bo Nix is
(06:08):
doing with the Broncos, which isn't much, and seeing what
is happening with Caleb Williams in Chicago in trying to
get those rookie quarterbacks ready for play. You're going through
growing pains, and to watch Geno Smith, I'm not find
with the Seahawks having Gino Smith as their quarterback for
the next five years. He was great last night. He
(06:30):
gets the ball to the guys who need to get
the football. When you look at their offense and you
take away the gino smith that you think that he
is and you actually watch him, he is more than
sufficient for what they need to do.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
So offensively they are.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
He's a thought enough to get away from trouble in
case you run for first down. He's got a good
enough arm. He delivers the ball, yeah, relatively quickly, like
you know, again, as long as you keep it, you know,
like cost wise, Like that's the kind of guy. And
I just it's honestly, Dan that you bring up a
great point. And I don't know if this is what
you meant to bring up, but I appreciate you for
doing it. It's hey, what if you just had a
(07:10):
good quarterback that we all know is not great, but
you also didn't pay him sixty million dollars. You paid him, like, no,
fifteen twenty million dollars. And he said, what if we
have a guy who's just good, steady, solid, fine, okay,
and then we put a really good team around him,
And it's like the brock Purty thing, only instead of
having a young quarterback who doesn't make anything then eventually
is gonna make a bunch, you have a guy who's
(07:31):
been doing a long time.
Speaker 2 (07:32):
You slightly overpay him, but you don't massively be overpay him.
Is that about right?
Speaker 3 (07:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 9 (07:36):
Yeah, I think I think he's really good. Like I
don't want to say that he's he's great, but I
think even good is almost a bit of an underselling
for what we've seen in the quarterback play around the NFL.
And it's tough to go up against the guy who
goes eighteen of eighteen last night, but the Yeas had
to throw the ball fifty six times. Gino is fully
(07:59):
capable of doing that even with an offensive line that
played good last night. I actually played really well in
past sitting situations, which were a lot because they trailed early.
But yeah, it look around the National Football League and
you look at some of the struggles that those teams have.
And I bring up bon Nicks only for the reason dougas,
if the Seahawks were to draft a quarterback in the
next draft, it would probably be around in the area
(08:21):
where Bonnicks was drafted, or even later and maybe in
an area where Kenny Pickett was drafted. And are you
really getting the value of pick at that point when
you're drafting in the mid to late first rounds. I
don't think that you are. Jordan Love is starting to
become one of the exceptions to the rule. But I'd
rather just keep what you have with Gino Smith. So
(08:41):
the talk of the Seahawks looking for a quarterback, I
just I think right now has gone out the window
for oh it's played.
Speaker 4 (08:48):
I think what you do is And here's one Could
Darnold be the next Geno?
Speaker 2 (08:55):
Right?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (08:57):
Is this kind of a new sort of role we're
finding with some of.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
These guys Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 4 (09:02):
Now, Baker makes a lot of money and he probably overpaid,
but it's guys that have had a shot in the
past and have whatever level failed, but they still have
accumulated all that knowledge and they haven't lost their confidence
and their competent.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
They're not great, but they're good.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And it's like the reappearance of a middle class in
a system that has had no middle class for the
last ten.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
To fifteen years. Yeah, yeah, good point.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
Stug Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Yeah yeah, Jay,
you guys are.
Speaker 10 (09:34):
Talking about quarterbacks here, and you know you played sound
of Dan Campbell talking about Jared Goff's eighteen for eighteen
that's another It's just the most recent example of a
room full of sycophantish writers over exaggerating their laughter at
a pretty you know, this joke is actually for Chalk
(09:56):
and meatthead standards. It's actually a pretty fun joke. But
I want to compare the reaction in the room last
night after Dan Campbell drops this joke to the famous
one where Tom Brady told his joke. So here's the
Dan Campbell one.
Speaker 7 (10:11):
I just gave the game ball to somebody else, so
I feel awful, right.
Speaker 8 (10:14):
Guy, I had to see?
Speaker 9 (10:23):
So then remember, can I can I quick interject something
with that? Because I do want to I want to
hear it again. There's there's also the reporter who has
to then be in on the laughter quick anywhere. He
follows up like he's got to have something to say
because he needs to be a part of the joke
as well, because he needs to be thought of as
witty and funny.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
So if you listen to that replay that.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
There's also there's also one of those, which is the
ultimate fake laugh.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Nobody laughs like that.
Speaker 7 (10:49):
I just gave the game ball to somebody else, so
I feel awful, right guy.
Speaker 5 (10:54):
To see?
Speaker 4 (10:56):
So then it sounds like a motorcycle trying to fire
up right, So chance that guy ever, Like that's that's
the kind of laugh that keeps you.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
From marrying a chick. She's like, I was gonna marry him,
but what happened. It was an annoying laugh.
Speaker 9 (11:16):
And I agree with Jason. I actually do think it
was funny like it was. It was a funny delivery. Yeah,
I did chuckle with it.
Speaker 3 (11:23):
For me to have the standards, it was just.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Because it was just kind of matter of fact, you know,
matter of fact.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
But remember Tom Brady's final season.
Speaker 10 (11:32):
Yes, they had some wacky play to end a game
and they won, and he went to the now tired
cliche that's how we drew it up. And he he
may as well have been Chris Rock meets Kevin Hart
dropping this line.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
Just like we drew it up, like we drew it up.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
That was Sam And the last part.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Right, that was yeah in the background.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
He actually wasn't.
Speaker 9 (12:05):
He did throw an incompletion if you guys noticed it
or not, and they addressed it in the post game.
But he threw it in completion, but the Lions were
called for a penalty pass interference and it was it
was a golden goal situation, so it was first in
goal to ten, So the Seahawks took the penalty and
backed them up. If they declined the penalty and have
(12:25):
a second in goal from the ten, then golf is
not perfect last night.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
So a line's.
Speaker 9 (12:30):
Penalty actually saved them because it was a bad throw,
and it was, but it was an offensive pass interference.
You would have been you would have been eighteen of nineteen.
Speaker 10 (12:38):
Instead, we wouldn't have gotten Dan Campbell and that joke.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Oh, just like we.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
Drew it up. We drew it up. We drew it up,
just like we drew it up.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
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said you can't trust Detroit because why were they throwing
the football when they're up to touchdowns and they had
kind of a free play and he got that safety
(13:09):
in it. You know, it made it at least interesting
last two minutes of the game. And I pointed out
last year when they lost to San Francisco that the
decision making from Dan Campbell and whoever decided when to go,
when not to go, when to go for two, when
to kick a fieldal all that stuff, it was contradictory
to one common sense. And then there were times in
which they decided to not go four times in which
(13:31):
they went for it, And when they go for it
and don't get it, they're like, well, that's what we do,
but they don't always do it, So which are you?
But my thing is a couple things. When I saw it,
I did one sideline game for the NFL for Fox
NFL Fox, and I was in Miami and Adam Gase
was the coach, and everyone we met with from.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
The organization was like, do you know who.
Speaker 4 (13:56):
The one guy we've had, because they've had just a
turnstile of coaches and they're like, the one guy that everybody.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
Loved was Dan Campbell.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
And so when he got the job, I was I
was a defender of the of the press conference because
you know so much of it. When you're an NFL coaches,
you gotta have the respect to the locker room. He
does as a former player, okay, and he's a hard
worker and you just got him get him play hard,
like hire really good coaches to do the all coaching
stuff he has. With what he's done on the offensive
(14:24):
side of the ball, he didn't call any plays and
he's a former tight end, didn't call plays.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
He's got the best player call.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
In the business.
Speaker 11 (14:32):
So I.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
Liked it.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I didn't know it would be this good because I've
never been a big Jared golf guy. But the other
part to it is kind of like Tampa. You draft
that high that long, eventually you're going to figure it out,
and they have. But my big takeaway is, hey, you
can win anywhere. We're like four or five years removed
from people going why is Detroit on Thanksgiving Day?
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Why tell me?
Speaker 3 (14:56):
Why?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Tell me why?
Speaker 4 (15:00):
To now it's like Detroit's on all the time, no
Monday night football, and why would you watch the other game?
They're a good watch, They're a fun team, They're electric offensively.
But again, just snapshot in time, I would say there
was a good ten year conversation. And I know it
through three different networks, right I was at ESPN, at
CBS and a Fox at each of the networks. At
(15:21):
some point in time, somebody brought up the why is
Detroit always on on Thanksgiving Day?
Speaker 2 (15:25):
Like they stink? It's not fun? What are we doing?
Real quick?
Speaker 4 (15:32):
Dan byer uniforms, your thoughts, they're not good at all.
It's one of those things where you're known for one thing.
It'd be like I went to see Barry Manilow with
my mom. Imagine if he didn't play Mandy.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
Imagine if he didn't play Mandy. You know, like I
get you have the new album.
Speaker 4 (15:56):
We had some songs on the new album, but start
with and end with something everybody knows. You're on Monday
Night football and you wearing black uniforms. Like that's kind
of a Thursday night football thing, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
You're Honolulu Blue. I don't that one. I'm with you
on that one.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Dan.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
It's it's like, let's we don't have to screw up
a really good thing.
Speaker 8 (16:17):
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Speaker 4 (16:30):
It's Doug oulib Show Fox Sports Radio. Hey are you
guys going to do a little let's choose buyer's remorse
in like fifteen minutes, because I think tags Benzata is
going to call in and I I got a bunch
of stuff I want to get to them. You guys
are okay with I'm dan. I'm sorry. Sometimes when you
said he took a bite and then you spoke, I
(16:52):
couldn't hear any food in your mouth at all.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
So I was like, oh, well, he's good. My bad,
My bad. That's on me. I've done that before, might
do that all the time. I'm just rude. I'll eat
on there.
Speaker 5 (17:03):
I don't you know.
Speaker 2 (17:04):
I'm kidding.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
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Speaker 2 (17:11):
TJ.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Hush Menzada joins US course former Pro Bowl wide receiver
here up on game Saturdays on Fox Sports tradi You
can download it in podcast for him. He's also the guru,
the guy that people go to in the off season
to refine their technique as high school, college and especially
professional stars. So he joins US now, and who's I
do want to ask you about this? Some of the
stories coming out about Travis Kelsey suppose he trains in
(17:34):
Florida in the off season this year, wasn't it training
in Florida? Is his slow start a product of a
guy who isn't doing.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
The work anymore?
Speaker 5 (17:45):
Man Like? I'm sure he put the work in, but
at times you get comfortable. Well what that means is
you're working, but you're now work and how you used
to work, you just got you gotten a little comfortable.
And I think what has happened is the slow start
(18:05):
has kind of opened his eyes a little bit. I
guarantee you now he's probably doing more on Tuesdays, a
little more pre practice, a little more post practice because
of that, and I believe we'll start to see in
these next few games he'll start to play better. I mean,
he got comfortable. He's probably traveling. You know, you got
(18:27):
a new girlfriend. You can't train as much or as
hard as you were because you're probably with her. You're
doing this and you're doing that. It's happened to all
of us at some point.
Speaker 2 (18:41):
They can they find a guy?
Speaker 4 (18:43):
I mean, they just don't have a dude now where
she rice and the defense is good and he did
a lot with a little last year, but can he
find a guy to help kind of save the season
with where she Rice likely out for lengthy amount of time.
Speaker 5 (18:59):
The Chiefs have shown like they won a super Bowl
last year and offense was terrible. Let's just call it
what it is. That defense carried them. They carried them
to a super Bowl last year, and the offense made
plays when needed, but for the most part, they won
a super Bowl because of Chris Jones and that defense.
Now the Chiefs have shown us also that they're willing
(19:23):
to go out and get help. They they showed their
willing to trade for gridaras Tony during the season because
they knew they needed help. They knew they needed help.
They traded for Miko Hartman during the season because they
knew they needed help. Even though he was in their
system on their team, they got him back from the Jets.
So they're gonna try to trade for saver I don't
(19:47):
see why they wouldn't. And you can look at guys
out there. You can look at a Marii Cooper. I
don't believe the Raiders will trade Devonte Adams in the division.
But if I'm the Chiefs, I'm gonna make that call.
I'm looking at the Houston Texans. They got so many
receivers in their roster. I'm calling the Houston Texas saying, hey,
(20:08):
I want to trade John Mitchie. I want to trade
Robert Woods. Are you guys willing to part ways with
one of these dudes because those dudes can play now.
Woods is a little older, MITCHI, I believe it's super explosive.
Came out of Alabama with a ton of promise. But
those are the teams I'm calling to see if I
can get one of these receivers. They're going to have
(20:30):
to be better, because I believe the teams in AFC
are better. But they've shown us average offense. We can
still win it because of our defense.
Speaker 4 (20:40):
Djus Benzata join us in the Doug Gottlieb Show here
on Fox Sports Radio. I was not a big to
a guy, but now without Tua, the Dolphins have no
hope considering just how precarious the situation would be if
Tua returns anyway, isn't the only way to save the
(21:02):
Dolphins for him to retire so then get some of
that money.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
Back, Like, I just don't know another way for them.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
So it's like number one two of means a lot
of that team. Obviously, you look at him that they
can bear to complete a pass. I mean Tyreek Hillwood
would have had two bombs. He was overthrown on one.
He was completely underthrown on the other one. Now, if
you're TUA, do you retire with all that money on
(21:31):
the table. Absolutely not.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
But now now look he here's the way I've heard
it works. If they make him retire, he gets the money.
If he retires on his own, he doesn't.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
They can not clear him. Now that's the injury guarantee.
His money is guaranteed because of injury. That's the route
they go. They don't clear him. Now he's guaranteed, are
guaranteed because of injury. But honestly, Doug, I believe we
(22:07):
as football players, we want to play football. If I
was too, I'm playing. But you can everybody can have
an opinion. Everybody can say this. Everybody can say that.
When you're in your twenties, man, and you love the
game of football, ain't nobody gonna tell you not to play.
What if you have another concussion? Well, what if I'll
(22:27):
deal with that? What if when that time comes? That's
just me. But that would be the only way is
if they don't clear them and then he still gets
the remainder of the guarantee money. I guess that's a
win win for both sides.
Speaker 4 (22:44):
Uh t Joson join us on the Doug Gottleib Show
here on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Who's let me let me go around the leg a
little bit. Let's let's go Lamar Jackson two games in
a row.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Derek Henry's been incredible, but we saw in Tennessee that
that wasn't enough in the playoffs, and in Baltimore just
running the football hasn't been enough in the playoffs. Now,
Derek Henry's better than any running back they've had previously,
and he put him and Lamar Jackson good luck. But
my question is, does this change anyone's opinion on whether
(23:16):
or not they can win the postseason playing this way?
Speaker 5 (23:19):
Wow? I think the Ravens should be careful by giving
Derrick Henry too many carries in the regular season and
then you wear him out and now here comes the
playoffs and he's had a ton of carries in his body.
I mean, yeah, he's big, he's is, he works extremely hard,
(23:41):
but you can only take so many carries before your
body starts to break down. And so this is to
me the best running back obviously that they've had because
of Lamar, They're always going to be able to run
the ball effectively. But we know you're gonna have to
throw the ball at a high level to win, and
(24:04):
Lamar is doing that. But can he do it when
it matters the most? And so if I'm the Ravens,
you want to get him going. You you want Henry
to run for a lot of yards, but you need
him and you want him to do these same things
in the playoffs. So you have to tread likely and
try to find a good balance of what's just enough.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
Djos Benza is our guest here, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox
Sports Radio. Does Pittsburgh give Russell Wilson a shot?
Speaker 5 (24:36):
Uh? They lose the next three or four games. I
don't see that happening, So, I mean, I think this
might be we will I don't think we'll see Russell
Wilson playing Pittsburgh unlets Justin Field get hurt. Why would you?
Why would Justin philis playing? He's playing fine. The Russell
Wilson the last two years that we saw with the
Denver Broncos is not better than the Justin Phild that
(25:00):
we're seeing today in Pittsburgh, he's not. And so if
you just go off for recent history, that Justin Fields
I see today is better than the Russell Wilson that
I've seen the last two years. I'm rolling with a
young guy that can make plays with his legs and
that's been such a huge plus for the students. Russell
Wilson isn't doing that. Let's say he gives you a
(25:21):
little bit more, but those third downs and those scrambles
at Justin Fields that he's doing, Russell Wilson doesn't bring
that to the table. So I believe unless Justin Field
gets hurt, we don't see Russell Wilson play for the
Pittsburgh Steelers.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
What happened?
Speaker 11 (25:39):
Did Trevor Lawrence, a kid that Minie saw was the
top number one pick since Andrew Luck was going to
come into the league and do well.
Speaker 5 (25:50):
And you get Urban Meyer, you don't do well, you
get Doug Peterson. It's like, whoa damn? He did very well.
Should have won a playoff game, right or he did
win a playoff game? I should have you're losing to
the charges, you come all the way back and win it.
And since that season, he's falling off. I don't know what.
(26:11):
I don't know how to explain it. I don't know
what has happened. But I'm a big believer man, when
it comes to these quarterbacks, play calling, the understanding of
where to go with the ball, that matters so much
for a young guy. If you not getting that type
(26:32):
of coaching early in your career, I think it's almost
impossible to take that out of your mind when you
finally do get a good coach. And I don't know
what has happened. Because dud Peterson was the second coach,
you would assume that second season he's ready to go.
That's why they give him the contract extension. I don't
(26:55):
know what he's thinking. You know, he came out and said,
you know, I like football, but don't when we love it.
It's not my end all, be all type of thing.
Now I'm paraphrasing, but I can't even explain it. I've
never seen anything like you.
Speaker 2 (27:10):
It's crazy, it really, it's true.
Speaker 5 (27:12):
You recall the quarterback Doug Dad didn't play well, didn't
played well, got the big contract extension, and now you
can't play, no suspension, no games, like can you. I
can't explain it.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
I mean I would say it's is it confidence?
Speaker 4 (27:28):
Is it too many different And he's playing for a
quarterback guru as a coach like that one I don't
get either. Sound like he's playing for a guy that
doesn't get offense football. I want to ask you about
the Jets weird back and fourteen Aaron Rodgers and his
head coach where he's like, maybe we need to rethink
that Cadence thing.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
You know, that's Aaron Rodgers thing.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
Then then when Solid gets a chance to fix it yesterday,
then he's like, well, you know, we got to get
the plays in, get the plays out of the huddle. Now,
all of a sudden he's going after the offensive coordinator,
who's also Aaron Rodgers guy, Like, what the hell is
going on with the Jets?
Speaker 5 (28:04):
I mean, Aaron Rodgers is pretty much he came in
to basically say the Jets season this year, say a
lodge job. He knows that, like, if Aaron Rodgers plays well,
roberts Ala will be the coach next year, and if
he doesn't, roberts Ala will be fired and they'll be
looking for a new dead coach. And he knows the
(28:26):
amount of power that he has in his hands. Just
by how he plays and how the jet it was
a team. I just feel like there's a certain level
of respect that we as players should have far coaches,
especially publicly. We don't want to undermine them. We don't
want to make it look as if I'm in control,
because the rest of the locker room sees that now
(28:47):
you man the man. You guys can have talks in
the office and be honest with each other. Look, coach,
I don't like when you do this, And as a coach, listen,
I don't like when you do this. We're men. We
can have those conversations, but publicly, we don't want to
do that publicly because it's going to be a conversation starter.
But it's been done publicly. They have to figure out
(29:08):
a way to sit down, to meet privately so that
these disagreements aren't happening. Happening and now the rest of
the team and the players and other coaches have to
answer these questions. Hackett is in that position because of
Aaron Rodgers. Is just no way the defense Hells holds
(29:29):
the Broncos to ten points. O Nicks plays one of
the worst games we've seen. The quarterback play and you lose,
you can't lose that game because when the season started
or before the season is like, oh, they probably lose
to the Niners. They'll be on one, but yeah, the
next three games they should win. They'll be three and one.
(29:49):
And then you play the Vikings. Oh that nobody thought
the Vikes a bell. You'll probably be four and one. Well,
now you're two and two, and you might be two
and three, and now because you're probably gonna lose the Vikings,
and so what many looked at the schedule and said, oh,
I can see a four on one season can be
two and three. But they need to talk privately so
they understand how to handle situations because neither one of
(30:13):
them are going to back down. And if anybody does,
we see some lot will come back to negader to
and say, ah, my bad. I just don't think it's
a good luck.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
I would agree with you. He's the one who know
the A.
Speaker 5 (30:22):
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Speaker 4 (30:23):
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You just download, subscribe and rate it. It's podcast saltsa
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my guy, I appreciate you joining us right, appreciate you me.
Speaker 8 (30:37):
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my heart maybe a little bit of this.
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Speaker 2 (31:51):
Let's get to buyer's remorse. Some have remorse.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
I am deeply sorry for my irresponsible and selfish behavior.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
Come on, but there's nothing quite like buyers remorse.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
Dan, you want to introduce the game.
Speaker 9 (32:09):
Yeah, Doug, it's not even a game. It's just when
I tell you something that I kind of changed my
mind about, or is something that I've said that were
believed in that has changed over recent events. And this
week I'm having some remorse over my belief in the
New York Jets. Now they could reinstill that belief with
a huge win in London on Sunday against the Minnesota Vikings.
(32:32):
But this was a Jets team that I picked to
win the division, and I thought that their early season
schedule was very, very tricky because you started on the
road on the West Coast, then you had to go
to Nashville, then you were home on a short week
against the Patriots. And they navigated that with a two
to one record. And what better way to capitalize and
go three to one is to have a team that
(32:53):
also has had a crazy start to the year. The
Denver Broncos have been on the road three of the
last four weeks. They've been up seemingly every corner of
the country, playing in Seattle, in Florida against the Buccaneers
and then going up to New York or New Jersey
and playing the Jets. And what an opportunity for the Jets,
who finally got some rest because they played on Thursday
night in Week three, to come out and lay the
(33:15):
stinker that they did in Week four, losing ten to nine.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I get the conditions. I get the missed field goals.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
Still could have won in the game if Greg Zerlin
makes that fifty yarder, but still it shouldn't have been
that close. Bo Nick said, negative passing yards at the half,
in negative seven passing yards at the half, he was
seven to fifteen. He had sixty passing yards for the game,
and he still couldn't get it done. Yeah, I'm having
buyers remorse because I believed in the New York Jets
(33:44):
and they failed me miserably in Week four.
Speaker 10 (33:47):
Okay, it seems like there's a the riff is between
the quarterback and the head coach. Like we went through
the kind of episodes that happened between Sala and Rogers
basically since early in the offseason when he went to
Egypt and Sala was kind of unclear about that, and
(34:07):
then we skipped to the preseason when Sala was like, yeah,
he's not going to play in the preseason, and Rogers
told the media that's news to me. And then this
whole thing with the bump and hug thing that we
discussed on this show a couple of weeks ago that
was weird and never never cleared up by the media.
By the way, then boomeris Eisen comes out yesterday and
(34:28):
says that Rogers just doesn't respect his head coach. So
I don't even I don't know how that could possibly
be a fruitful work situation.
Speaker 5 (34:38):
For the Jets.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
Okay, yeah, I mean I got a little Buyers and
more Sober Michael to take Cowboys.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
You know, it's one of those.
Speaker 4 (34:56):
Things where you bring back your offensive line. They're all
six year secure guys, and you have a quarterback who's
in his seventh year. And look, they have been great
except for you know, blocking for Oli Gordon after the
first three weeks last year. But you think our continuity
is King continuity. Everybody else has got movie parts.
Speaker 2 (35:16):
We got everybody back.
Speaker 4 (35:17):
But the truth is that you know, they e everybody
back and they're just they're good they're not spectacular.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
So it's my school.
Speaker 4 (35:26):
I still love them, but I bought in way too early,
knowing that it's just there's a just because you've been
there a year more does not mean all of a
sudden you relearn how to play football.
Speaker 3 (35:37):
To higher level. It's been a tough two weeks for him,
for sure.
Speaker 9 (35:43):
It's uh losing the game against Utah, especially without Cam
Rising playing. You're like, all right, I'll have to do this,
score X amount of points against a good Utah defense.
But now, tough one, tough one for the Pokes. I
think that's it for buyer's remorse.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
They're good.
Speaker 2 (36:03):
No, they don't have any buyers remorse.
Speaker 9 (36:06):
I don't think the segment's named after them, So right,
Sam Jason, I do have a couple of notes to
pass along in a quick press. By the way, if
we want to get to that, because it involves Davante Adams, I.
Speaker 3 (36:26):
Just want to roll with this music. Yeah, oh, there
we go.
Speaker 9 (36:29):
All right, So the NFL Network reports that DeVante Adams
just told the Raiders that it prefers to be traded.
This was on the heels of Annie bounceign Your's report
that the Raiders were shopping him. ESPN's now jumped in
and they've had their own reporting and saying that the
Raiders when they are calling other teams asking if people
are or wondering if teams are interested in DeVante Adams,
(36:51):
they're asking for a second round pick and additional compensation
for the veteran wide receiver.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Second round pick in additional calm. Yep, they'll get that.
Look at that.
Speaker 9 (37:03):
I don't know if it helps that everybody wants him
out of Las Vegas though. That's the only question is
there's not a lot of leverage right now, so it's
more of like, are you going to be in a
race for other contending teams for DeVante Adams? That would
be the reason why you would probably give up what
they would want. Von Miller suspended four games as well
for violating the league's Personal Conduct policy.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
What do you do?
Speaker 9 (37:26):
It's from the allegations last November. Tiger's up on the
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