June 11, 2024 • 38 mins
Doug talks about the Los Angeles Lakers a day after Danny Hurley turned them down to remain at UConn, and Doug offers up what he thinks really happened. Doug answers the question: can you coach effort? Doug and the crew discuss Caitlin Clark's recent play. Plus, Dan Beyer takes Doug through a Tuesday edition of "The Press".
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there's more out of the Lakers camp today as they
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search for their next head coach, where Sham Sharania says, hey,
you know jjt I mean excuse me, uh, Dan Hurley
wasn't the top candidate overall, right, which leads to people
to believe and I think there is some reality to
the idea that they were hot to trot on JJ
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Reddick and then they started to have some second thoughts,
and then they went after Danny Hurley. Danny Hurley took
them on a dance, didn't complete the dance and want
to go home with them. Instead, he went back to
Yukon for less money. Right, that's about. And now people
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say how the Lakers have egg on their faces, and
I think they do. I'll offer up what I think
is much closer to the reality. Okay, much closer to
the reality. First thing is this, Okay, first thing is this.
I want anyone who you read that tweets or says, well,
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I can't believe they fired Darvin Ham. Okay, if and
I've seen several people say, well, the reason that if
the Lakers job isn't viewed as a great job is
because they fired Darvin Ham just a year removed from
the Western Conference finals. Darvin Ham is viewed in the
NBA by people outside the Lakers and inside the Lakers
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as a below average at best head coach. He was
utterly and completely unimpressive. In fact, I'll sell it to
you this way. Not only was he not an X
and O guy and he was a play hard guy,
but he was underwhelming in terms of his preparation for well,
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his staff meetings. He was late to his own staff meetings,
and there wasn't much to his preseason training camps in
terms of offensive install It was all sort of generalities.
And it's not a miracle. I mean, like, look, if
Memphis had their full bow to players, they probably don't
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get out of the first round. They did beat the
Golden State Warriors. But the idea that he was done wrong,
There isn't anyone I know in the NBA is like man,
whereas Frank Vogel. They should probably rehire Frank Vogel. And yes,
Frank Vogel got fired a year later after only coach
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Forer a year with the Suns. That was a debuckle
of a season, but a lot of it was, but
widely respected in the NBA. Just not a good fit
is there is not a good fit and not a
good coach. So the first thing is just anyone who
says with Darvin Ham like, dude, Darvin Ham's a bad coach. Next, hey,
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second part, I'm gonna offer you up an alternative history
that I think is more likely than not an accurate one.
And I don't have sources that tell me it. But
the source I have is my own brain. Because I
know a lot of the players and the way these
things work, you ready for it? Okay, So they fired
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Darvin Ham and they start compiling a list of who
do we want to hire? Right, It's not an easy job.
Traditionally the Lakers don't pay a ton of money, don't
offer up a lot of years. And I'm sure at
some point in time they said, what about Danny Hurley.
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Danny Hurley be great. Danny Hurley won back to back
titles at you Cott and so they probably reached out
to say, where's Danny Hurley with this deal? And remember
he had just turned down the University of Kentucky and
was offered, we were told a big contract extension. So
you go through the early lists of things and like,
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who would you who do you really want? Man? I
love to have Danny Hurley. He's awesome, awesome, And then
they were told he wasn't available. Then when you look
back at last week, shortly before the Danny Hurley news broke,
the coach that was in for the last interview before
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the news broke was James Barrego. Now, James Rego's probably
going to be the head coach of the Cavs, right,
James Barrego has the same agent as Danny Hurley. His
name is Brent Brett. Just I know Brett because he
used to reret me when I was a CIA guy.
He since left CIA. He's maybe the most powerful basketball
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coaching agent in the country. Most of it used to
be with college basketball, but now it's in the NBA
as well. So my guess is this is a fairly
educated guess is that when the Barrego thing didn't feel
like it would make JJ, they're like, how do we
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build a staff? Remember there was actually talk and rumors
out there, print rumors by I think WOJ and I
know Scham's that Brego. They talked about him being the
lead assistant. So you bring Brego in, You're like, hey,
what about being the assistant. He's like, Hm, I'd rather
be the head coach. I don't want to be the assistant.
They were likely struggling to find a staff to work
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with JJ Reddick. So when you're struggling to find a staff,
you start having second thoughts. You circle back and you
just talk to James Morego's agent and he says, you know,
Danny Hurley's contract has not been signed. It's not done
matter of fact, it's a little light of the money
he expected. So then Danny Hurley becomes the primary target
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and they're going to fly him out to Los Angeles.
And if you remember, before that Friday meeting there was
the story of expectations being one hundred million dollar contract.
You do know that the Lakers aren't the only ones
that get the leak stories. So too does does Danny
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Hurley in his camp. And as I believe Jason Stewart
has pointed out, Jason, there's only one book that Adrian
war Zanowski has written. And when Woj does his appearances
from his home, didn't she tell me that book is
behind him.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
It's called The Miracle of Saint Anthony.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Miracle Saint Anthony. That's a book written by Woch, the
only book he's written about Bob Hurley Senior, the Hall
of Fame head coach and father of Danny Hurley. So
when the story comes out that the expectations are one
hundred million dollar deal, what is that? That is the
if you want to get this done, if you want
Danny Hurley to be your next head coach, there's the number.
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And they landed on seventy million. Now seventy million compared
to the fifty million that he ended up signing with
with Yukon is substantial money. But he told you through
sources one hundred million the number. So they came in
thirty million dollars short. And so now they're left with
JJ Breddick JJ Reddick feeling like he's more than just
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the second choice. He's like the last possible choice. And
they got all questions about it. The Lakers extended themselves
to a level that they never have for a coach,
especially when now that's never coached in the NBA. And
oh yeah, by the way, he turned them down because
they still came in light and this perception that they
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weren't in on Danny Hurley all along. They're just simply
lying about it. Dan Byer, what do you think? What
do you think of my hypotheses?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Sorry, Doug, can you repeat that for Hi? I'm sorry, Yeah, just.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
My hypotheses is that they did, in fact, we did
have interest in Danny Hurley initially, only at that time
he was in the Kentucky. He turned down Kentucky. They
thought he had a contract extension, they thought it was done,
and then Brego and him have the same agent. When
the Brego thing wasn't going to be for a head coach,
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his agent very likely said, hey, you know, Danny Hurley's
Deal's not done. So did Danny use it for leverage? Sure?
But would he have taken it if it was a
hundred million dollars probably because one hundred million dollars versus
fifty million dollars that's twice as much money. Of course,
you take that deal. Everybody takes that deal seventy million
dollars like, Yeah, I don't know. I'm a Jersey guy,
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I'm an East Coast guy. The Knicks are going to
be open in a couple of years. I could go
for the three pt. So did leverage become a part
of it? Yes? Was it a leverage play? I don't
think so. If it was a one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I think it was a majority was based on leverage.
And it's from what you were saying in terms of
if they would have given me one hundred million dollars,
that would have been the you know, their head coach,
which would have doubled what we expect him to get
at Yukon so to So, even in that where I
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don't know how realistic it would be that the Lakers
would give him that amount. I know they're comparing average
annual salaries to other NBA head coaches, and the Lakers
probably should have topped, you know, Monty Williams deal. But
it just seems to me of if you're not going
to coach the Lakers now, when are you gonna do it?
Like are they better in five years?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I don't know, No, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I don't think the Lakers think comes along again. So
I don't I got it. And I asked my son
last night. He's watching. He's like, he turned down the
Lakers and seventy million dollars, Is he crazy? I was like,
I guess it's like that's dumb. They're never gonna ask
him again. And I agree, and he's, you know, he's
he's fifteen year old kid, but I agree. I mean,
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I think everybody thinks, well, the Knicks should. There's no
there's no telling what happens with those jobs. I mean, really,
that's why I took my job, you know, like I
didn't get it last year. I didn't think it was
coming back around. It's a great opportunity, a great job
go Obviously, the zeros are there's fewer. There's a lot
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of other stuff, but everybody has their reasons or excuses
or whatever.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
It is funny that the Knicks finally have success in
a coach that has stabilized the organization, and now we're
just wondering when they're going to move on so Danny
Hurley can take over.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Well, it's also the Yeah, they have success, but people
are like, well, he wears out their players, he coaches
them too hard. It's like your people are never happy, Like,
what do you want him to do? You know, what
do you want him to do? Jace? What do you
think of my hypotheses? No? I like it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I think it has a lot of truth to it.
And what your hypothesis does is it directly contradicts this
one whine. Remember when woj broke the news was on
the sixth of June? Was that last Thursday. Among his
tweets disclosing that the Lakers have zeroed in on Danny Hurley,
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he says, Hurley's been at the forefront of the Lakers
search from the beginning of the process. Now, like most things,
I'm less interested about the details on these than how
it's covered. So the Cold War between WOJE and Chalms
is interesting. Chams went on his platform today and said
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that Hurley was not at the forefront of their search
from the beginning. This was a fairly recent process. I
find that interesting because WOGE is all about reputation. WOGE
is the top of the business, and I don't know
why he would exaggerate that or put that in there
if it wasn't true, if not to just help out
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Danny Hurley. And that's kind of the curious thing about.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Those Samoo, do you think.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I definitely think that Danny Hurley is benefits from all
of this. You know, he comes out of this, uh
even more above it all. And by the way, if
he's coaching the Knicks, Danny Hurley's coaching that he also
coaches guys pretty hard, doesn't he. I mean he I
saw a clip of him being like, these guys run,
they run everywhere. I know, I don't know. So, I mean,
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if if Tom, if Bibbs or Tibbs, how are you.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
No, I'm I'm I'm with I'm with Dan though. Dan,
It's like, you know, we're we finally got a Knicks
coach who's finally got them competitor. No, Yeah, and now
you're like, yeah, get rid of it, let's get Danny.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Oh yeah, no, I think that they're yeah, this is
the most the Knicks have had a long time.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
But I also think that and and also the powers
that be Leon Rose that those aren't his people. There
would have to be a regime change, Like look, I
just think he didn't think it was the deal was right,
and I would guess there's a lot of other parts
to the Lakers that I think people are starting to realize,
Like Rob Polinka doesn't have an assistant GM. You know
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that they'll hire a cat, they have a cap consultant,
but that stuff sometimes. So you got one guy who's
not really he didn't come up through the GM rank,
so he doesn't have this depth of Man, I've done
this for years and he has been the GM for
a good amount it almost a decade, like a decade now, right,
But it's it's just a very different shot basically him
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and Kurt Rambis and then Kurt Rambas's wife and making
the decisions like that's it. It's so weird in comparison
to how other organizations are run. And I don't know,
it's quite obviously not a well run deal, and I
think part of it is they try and keep it lean,
but sometimes you try and keep it too lean and
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it ends up biting in the in the backside. It's
really really interesting though, how you know. I think our
view of the Lakers and the actual Lakers are two different,
and they have a reputation of being cheap with everybody
outside the players. Seventy million isn't cheap, but he told
you through that other tweet one hundred million dollars was
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the number. Here's Seam Sharania summing up the coaching search.
He met with JJ Reddick, once, he met with James
Bargo a supper time solo, and then James Brago came
into the facility, met with everyone, met with ownership, and
then they last week on Wednesday, turned their attention.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I'm told to Dan Hurley and he was not the
number one candidate, the number one guy to.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Go pursue from the start, from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, so a little bit of is Shams and Woje
in a peeing match, right, No, he wasn't the number one.
I think it's very possible that in a brainstorming session
somebody said, hey, what about Danny Hurley and they made
a call and they're like, yeah, he's he's got a
new deal coming. And when they found out the deal
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hadn't made yet, they tried to go in, which actually
is really really smart. The problem is that if you
don't get it and you tick off all the other
potential coaches, especially a JJ Reddick. I still think JJ
takes it by the way, Like it's not like the
head coaching jobs are just coming JJ's way, you know,
on a he gets chance to be Lakers. I just
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don't think they're going to go. I think both sides
are just cool on each other. You know, you go
on dates with the people and you're like, you know,
that first date wasn't as good as I thought.
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had developed a segment and I really like it, and
today it really makes sense. It's called.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
There's a question that needs an answer, and the answer
is if only there was someone with the authority and
the wisdom to give us that answer.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
No, I'm the head coach. I get to set the schedule.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Hold on, let's ask the coach.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
All right, let's ask the coach.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Today a Doug Gottwab new head coach at the University
of Wisconsin Green Bay. Can you coach effort? The reason
I ask this is because Christy Sides coaches Caitlin Clark
and the Indiana Fever and they got bulldozed last night
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by a better team, and afterwards she said this to
the media.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I'm gonna start with, you can't at this level coach effort.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I feel like we were just trying to ask them
to keep playing hard, play hard.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
You can't start there.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
You can't play in this league.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
That's what you have to coach.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
It's just too harm What.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Do you think, Doug, could you coach effort? Can you coach?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I actually think effort is the number one thing you coach.
It just is I understand, and just so you know,
like this is an attack on her, I just disagree
with This is a narrative that some coaches believe in.
You can't coach effort, it's expected you're a professional you're
supposed to bring that effort. That's fine, okay, But if
somebody's not playing hard and you take them out and
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put somebody else in and say, if you want to
stay in, you got to play your tail off, right,
that's coaching effort, you know, calling time out you're not
playing hard enough. Your job as a coach, the number
one job I believe you have as a coach is
to have your team at what's called the magic level,
right where they're hyped up for the game, but not
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too hyped up, but also not kind of just going
through the paces. And they didn't meet that criteria. So absolutely,
you can coach effort.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
How do you do it? How do you coach it?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I mean, it's it's like an everyday thing. It's like
your vitamins, you know, every single day. I mean, obviously,
I think you guys have seen some of the switch
go on with me when we're doing a show as
opposed to not doing a show. Crank that up to
like seven or eight. And I'm just an intense person.
You demand intensity every time they step on the floor.
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If you're not getting it, then there's all different sorts away,
Like I get it, Like some days there are days
in professional basketball you're like, we just don't have it.
We just don't have it. You know, we're just tired.
And I have no doubt that that's what's taking place
here is they're just exhausted by this. Remember, this is
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a league that nobody paid attention to. She's never been
involved in any of this. She has no idea, and
nobody ever listened to their press conferences. They're the worst
team in the league last year. Now they're the most
watched team in the league, and they're still not particularly good.
It's exhausting. So I do understand what she's saying. I
just vehemently disagree with a narrative. And she's not the
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only one. There's plenty of big time men's co which
istead Of said can't coach effort. I actually think that's
the number one thing you do. You don't coach it,
you have to demand it.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
So when she says you can't coach effort, to me,
that that says this isn't a coaching problem, this is
a player problem. It seems like it's a classic throwing
the players under the bus. Thing. So you don't you
don't agree with that, given what you just said.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
No, I don't. I don't think it's throw of the
players on the bus. I think it's a way actually
of spreading it all around and not being individually critical
of any one player. We just didn't have collectively, we
didn't have the effort today, So I would I would
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say that's that's a good portion of it. The other
part to it, And this is kind of interesting. Like
I've said this about playing with Lebron, it's true about
playing for Duke or playing for Kentucky and playing with
Caitlin Clark, you're getting every team's best shot. None of
these women have played in front of packed houses in
the WNBA, Like the Mystics are the worst team in
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the WNBA and they had a sold out game when
they talk about now the fever one. But the point
is that you're getting every team's best. When Duke comes
to town, that team raises its level. When Kansas whent Kentucky,
when the Lakers. I've said this about Lebron, like everybody
thinks the stats will translate, there's like two different nbas
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If you play for the Detroit Pistons, no one knows
you know. Caid Cunningham averaged twenty two game. I had
no idea until he signed that Max deal if Caid
Cunningham was having a good career or a bad career
because he was hurt last year and this year he played,
but played like sixty some odd games. Why because nobody
cares the Lakers. Every time you play against Lebron, you
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got a chance to make a name for yourself, and
teams take that seriously. So I think that's one of
the things that's affecting them. And when you're getting everybody's
best shot, when you're playing in this traveling circus, it
can wear you out.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Dan Buyer, I did not watch the game last night.
I heard you guys talking about the fouls and her
not then being in the game and the chance of
we want Caitlin. There is the flip side to all
of this, when a coach comes out and says that
the team isn't trying, and when all of our focus
is on Caitlyn Clark. If you didn't watch the game
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like me, I just assume that Caitlyn Clark wasn't trying,
and so the other players actually get a pass for
being Like we've talked about this squad and the attention
that's brought to it. And maybe they're not the greatest
teammates of all, but when bad stuff is happening or
where they're not winning, we're not talking about any of
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the other players. We always put this on Caitlyn Clark's shoulders.
And now for this statement to be brought out, as
they said, I didn't watch last night's game. I don't
know if it was it was her, if it was
another player, but I can tell you that I think
that there are other people that were probably like me, thinking, like,
all right, she's talking about Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Because Caitlyn Clark didn't play in the final quarter Dan,
and on that coach side, she actually ended up like
pulling most of the starters in the second half, so
like it was a team wide failure. Sure, and you know, Caitlyn,
she only played twenty two minutes. She was like three
of eight, you know, so she didn't get.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Her normal minus thirty looking at the box score here, right,
but you know, so it was just a team failure.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
It can't all go on Kaitlyn, you know. No, But
that's my point is that it does. It does, like
so like not so it's not.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Yeah, so here's a but that's also so for the
teammates to be mad, Like here a coach calls out
her team and because of all of our attention, like
it's not all roses for Caitlyn Clark. Like when the
team stinks, we think, yeah, maybe that her teammates aren't
as great, but if she's only having ten points, we think, okay,
it's not her. And then when her coach calls out
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and says I benched players or because they weren't trying,
and we find out she doesn't play in the fourth quarter,
I guarantee there are a lot of people out there
are saying, Jaez, maybe Kaitlyn Clark wasn't trying.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Maybe that's exactly what I think. So I think she
got benched, and I think it's it's part of it.
She's trying to make a point and hold Caitlin accountable.
Uh And and I do like what happens when you
say this is people or you're just making an excuse,
It's like, okay, Well, whether it's an excuse or a reality,
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the point is I think she's exhausted. I think this
whole thing is way more than anybody ever thought it
would be ever. And you know, whether that's lack of
effort last night, or she just didn't have any gas
in the tank. The reality to it is that was
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there was nothing there. Didn't she shoot like a four
foot airball?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
That was amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
And then you see people like it goes online people
in comments are like, oh, well, that's why she was
left off of Team USA. It's like, give me a break.
That's one shot. I saw you, Doug, I saw your
Roger Federer clip for his commencement speech. It's a bad shot.
She'll put behind her and she's got, you know, infinity
more to shots to take. But I did want to
remind you guys of this. Kaylyn Clark is averaging twenty
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six points seven points on two or more days rest,
five and a half points on zero day's rest. She
has a game like that. She's exhausted. That's why she
airballed that that little three foot jumper. Her arms were
just fatigued. But there was a day between rust that
was about to back game. Do they played on Friday? No,
they played on Sunday. Also, Tony if check.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
No, no, no, they did not play back the back.
There is this funny joke on Twitter that's great and
it's always I don't know if it's the same person
or if it's just the thing that people have picked up.
It says a blank person dunked her first basketball, and
it was like Angel Reaves gets her first WNBA dunk
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and then it's a video of her like missing a
breakaway layup. It's really funny. So last night it was
Caitlyn Clark gets her first w NBA dunk and it
was little like eight foot air ball.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
It's amazing. I mean, like, look, Sam, you can make
all excuse want I do think she's tired. She did
shoot airball from four or five.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I just know. I know Jason got us all with that.
I was like, wait, a lot of people fell for it.
In the comments, They're like, oh, dunk and they're like,
oh my gosh, what is this?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, no, it was it was something.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Can I couick Before I do the update, I want
to bring up a point that last week when I
was in with you with Olden, I brought up the
point that nothing has really gone right for Caitlin Clark
since she turned pro Like, when you look at what
has gone like, there's she hasn't been given anything. Her
teammates don't like her, her opponents are jealous of her.
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It's it's really bad. And my point was she should
have just gone back to Iowa. And the point isn't
that it was this smart decision to it would have
been the smart decision because we talked about the decision
that was at hand Iowa. Sam took offense to me
saying that she should have gone back to Iowa.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
But the point was why why what? Why she why
would she go back for a fifth year and just
dilute the record she already set, Like I don't, I
don't get that. I know, like you said to me,
because she did the w NBA.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Do you understand what I'm saying, like when like hex,
she should have just stayed at Iowa and the pot.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
What you're saying, yeah, I don't, I don't know. Do
you mean it or are you making more of a
statement of.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yes, correct? That is what I'm doing. Is the obvious
move was. But the point is.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Everything is Sam's taking you literally, Yes, I'm I'm listening
to you figuratively correct.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Where I mean, there's there. She hasn't.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
People think that she's gotten everything in the w NBA
so far, and she's gotten nothing, and she's actually being
used by the league to push their own agenda because
of who she is. But she hasn't really gotten anything
in this league. She hasn't got a break from her teammates,
from from opponents and scheduling, Like what what was better
two months ago, you know, or now than it was
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two months ago for Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Nothing but I mean, okay, And so that's it.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
It's just a figure. Like the point is is like
her though at some point Kaitlyn Clark did the w
NBA a solid by going pro, yes, and by taking
that stewardship to the next level. And now when she
gets there, she gets absolutely nothing for it. Yeah, that's
the point of it except venom, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Venom from the players. Did you see the woman that
was tasked to defend her last night when Caitlyn like
went around a screen or something, and then maybe a
little exaggerated the.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, here's here's the here's the thing, Jason. I'll say
this that the throwing the head back is the move
the guys have done, and there's always every game it's done,
one of the one of the opponents mocks that. So
that's actually like real basketball, it's a it happens all
the time.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Do we know that her own teammates. I know that
like djon A. Carrington probably doesn't care for katein Clark
and wants to clown her as much she can. But
do we know her own teammates don't like her just
because they didn't stick of her when she got hitp checked.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I don't think her own team that's like her.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
I think that's why. Do they dislike her? Because the
attention or because they think she's just like not a
good teammate or what.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I don't think they think she's as good as the hype.
I think there's jealousy. I think it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yet she's the best player on the team.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
It doesn't matter. Like you're talking reality, I'm talking you
ask why women wouldn't like her? Again, just telling you
the reality to it? You know, I this is I
was thinking about this. Tell me if you guys understand
the parallel. Okay. Something that doesn't make sense to me
is why these women would you know, be all for her? Right?
(29:57):
That doesn't make sense to any of us? Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Okay? I think I can make sense of it and
let me compare it to There are some gay women
who are protesting gay white women who are protesting to
support the Palestinians, and you're like, okay, you would have
your head cut off by the people that you're quote
(30:25):
unquote supporting. Like it doesn't make any sense. The Hebrew
expression is ain he ione. It doesn't make any sense.
But here's the sense I can make of it. It's
you have people that feel marginalized, they feel made fun
of that, they feel they feel like their successes gay
(30:47):
are not recognized, and the level they're supposed to do,
and all of that is wrapped into this well, here's this,
here's this girl, and she just gets here and she
gets all the shine, this attention and the energy goes there.
Whether it makes sense or not, that's what's happening. And
I think the same thing for some of these people
with pat like why would you protest for these evil
(31:08):
people that want to do you harm or your country harm,
your religion harm? Why would you do that? It's because
they don't know how to process all of this anger
and bitterness and discontentment. What do you think, I think deep,
if the deep, if.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
These all these other w NBA players were really playing
the long game, then they would embrace her and be like, yes, yes,
you are a cash cow to hire salaries. But in
the moment they're like, you know, they've been completely ignored
for however long they've been in the league, and she
comes in and brings all his attention, and I understand,
I understand why some of them are hostile towards her
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or want to make her look like a fool.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
I know, we have my update, but it also reminds
me a little bit when Tiger Woods came on to her.
But what Tiger did was he just then't beat everybody. Yeah,
so they were forced to you know, who accepts his greatness.
But golf is a different sport than team women's basketball,
and the team and the teams that they're playing, I
don't think are making it easy on her. Not that
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she doesn't bear responsibility, because she probably has to get
stronger and do a bunch of other things. But but
I do think that there are parallels to it. Now,
you ask any player, and the purses are, you know, astronomical.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I think that's a really good parallel. And the difference
is that Tiger didn't care like was it fuzzy zeller
mate was teasing him and use some you know, racial
stuff when talk about the master's dinner and is like
it didn't matter, he was kicking his ass. Is a
beautiful thing, but she's just not there yet. Neither is
the team there yet.
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Dan Byer, let's get to the press.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
The press.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
We got Dan, Doug. We actually have news just in
from the US Open. Twenty twenty one. US Open champion
John Rahm, who also has a green jacket in his closet,
has withdrawn from this week's event at Pinehurst. Number two
will not be playing in the US Open because of
an infection between his toes. He actually wore a sandal
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to the press availability. I believe it was earlier today
at Pinehurst. Number two had problems playing in the live
event this past weekend with it ended up withdrawing there
and has now withdrawn from the third major of the year.
He was slated to play with Jordan Speith and a
Decie Matsuyama in the first two rocks. They're to tee
off at one thirty six Eastern time on Thursday. But
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John Rahm is now out to the US Open.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Is it is it an ingrown toenail?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Like?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
It was a cut apparently, I don't know real bad
case of athletes foot it's it's bad enough and the
move to live like this is.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Been a disaster form.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Yes, he should have just stayed at Iowa, right.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah, he should stayed Iowa.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
That that there's your callback pace to listen to the show.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
But John ram is out.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I did also mention a bit earlier I would tell
you when Tiger Woods would be teeing off. Tiger is
going to be teeing off at seven twenty nine Eastern
time Thursday morning. They'll be going off. The tenth team
playing with Matt Fitzpatrick and Will zelatoris Will Tiger Woods.
Charlie Woods has been his keen observer through these first
couple of days of the practice rounds at Pinehurst number
(34:52):
two as well.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
How good is Charlie?
Speaker 4 (34:55):
He still needs some work, yes, so he's not there yet.
He's try to a couple of qualifiers. I think he
tried to qualify for the US Open and didn't make
it through local qualifying.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
So yeah, there's is there a.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Race to play in the same tournament between him and
Lebron and Bron play o'browny.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I don't think that the race is as urgent because
Tiger could still tee it up at fifty five if
he wanted to, or at fifty seven. Somebody would put
him in an event if Charlie was at that level
in eight years. But it's a little different for Lebron
because how many more seasons you know do you have?
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Left?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
The world's most famous eater, Joey Chestnut, will not be
able to compete in the Nathan's Fourth of July Hot
Dog eating competition. His endorsement deal with vegan brand Impossible
Foods will now make him ineligible to compete in the
Nathan's event, So there will be no Joey Chestnut on
Independence Day. Dounting hot dogs looking for his seventeenth mustard Belt.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
It's interesting because obviously he's won it sixteen sixteen times,
but we forget that Kobayashi was Joey Chestnut before there
was Joey Chestnut. So sliding doors it opens up an
opportunity for somebody else either. Well. But by the way,
the greatest eater of all time is Scotty Brooks, isn't it.
(36:18):
That's a you see her Vine joke. Sorry, I'll show.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Myself, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, it was like there somewhere Wayne Angels, Dad, It's like, hey,
Todd Thornton's like yo.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Anyway, Jason Stewart, did you want in on this?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I was just wondering if you guys do you guys
like watching that. I've never once seen it. I've seen
highlights and it makes me stick to my stomach, Like,
what do you enjoy watching the eating competition?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
No, yeah, I don't mind it. I tune in. I
like the atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I like the intros. The intros are funny, so over
the top, but I don't watch the eating.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Also, when a protester jumps on stage and Joey Chestnut
like folds him like a like a towel like in
like a millisecond and didn't happen last year two years ago.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Do you think Joey Chestnut's gonna eat fake hot dogs
like across the street from the actual Nathan's competition?
Speaker 3 (37:06):
She just have his own competition. They could have there,
They could and I'm sure they probably will.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
By the way, is there a lot of difference between
a fake food and hot dogs?
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Like?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Isn't there somewhere in between? Hot dogs are made of
something that most people don't know what they're made of.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Right, kind of ironic to mention hot dogs and fake
food in the same sentence, and not I says, I.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Do think in defensive Nathan's I do think they're one
hundred percent beef hot dogs.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
You're always defending Nathan's on I'm just telling you, I think,
but all the Nathans, like Nathan Eavaldi, you're always defending him.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Christian mccaffery's gonna down the cover of Madden twenty five.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Bad news for Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Right, that's the yes, that's the prevailing thoughts. And finally, guys,
the Holiday Bowl is going back to Mission Valley. For
the last few years, it has been played at Pedkill Park.
Of course, for years was at the Murph, which no
longer is there snap Dragon Stadium instead, it's in its place,
and that will host the Holiday Bowl starting back again
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in December.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Hey San Diego, congratulations. You could have had a National
champiship game if you built a domed stadium in downtown. Instead,
you want to do it out in the valley, and
now you get it at snap Dragon in a bowl game.
Nobody cares about.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
That's the press, all right.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
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there's more out of the Lakers camp today as they
(00:47):
search for their next head coach, where Sham Sharania says, hey,
you know jjt I mean excuse me, uh, Dan Hurley
wasn't the top candidate overall, right, which leads to people
to believe and I think there is some reality to
the idea that they were hot to trot on JJ
(01:08):
Reddick and then they started to have some second thoughts,
and then they went after Danny Hurley. Danny Hurley took
them on a dance, didn't complete the dance and want
to go home with them. Instead, he went back to
Yukon for less money. Right, that's about. And now people
(01:29):
say how the Lakers have egg on their faces, and
I think they do. I'll offer up what I think
is much closer to the reality. Okay, much closer to
the reality. First thing is this, Okay, first thing is this.
I want anyone who you read that tweets or says, well,
(01:50):
I can't believe they fired Darvin Ham. Okay, if and
I've seen several people say, well, the reason that if
the Lakers job isn't viewed as a great job is
because they fired Darvin Ham just a year removed from
the Western Conference finals. Darvin Ham is viewed in the
NBA by people outside the Lakers and inside the Lakers
(02:14):
as a below average at best head coach. He was
utterly and completely unimpressive. In fact, I'll sell it to
you this way. Not only was he not an X
and O guy and he was a play hard guy,
but he was underwhelming in terms of his preparation for well,
(02:35):
his staff meetings. He was late to his own staff meetings,
and there wasn't much to his preseason training camps in
terms of offensive install It was all sort of generalities.
And it's not a miracle. I mean, like, look, if
Memphis had their full bow to players, they probably don't
(02:55):
get out of the first round. They did beat the
Golden State Warriors. But the idea that he was done wrong,
There isn't anyone I know in the NBA is like man,
whereas Frank Vogel. They should probably rehire Frank Vogel. And yes,
Frank Vogel got fired a year later after only coach
(03:15):
Forer a year with the Suns. That was a debuckle
of a season, but a lot of it was, but
widely respected in the NBA. Just not a good fit
is there is not a good fit and not a
good coach. So the first thing is just anyone who
says with Darvin Ham like, dude, Darvin Ham's a bad coach. Next, hey,
(03:39):
second part, I'm gonna offer you up an alternative history
that I think is more likely than not an accurate one.
And I don't have sources that tell me it. But
the source I have is my own brain. Because I
know a lot of the players and the way these
things work, you ready for it? Okay, So they fired
(04:04):
Darvin Ham and they start compiling a list of who
do we want to hire? Right, It's not an easy job.
Traditionally the Lakers don't pay a ton of money, don't
offer up a lot of years. And I'm sure at
some point in time they said, what about Danny Hurley.
(04:25):
Danny Hurley be great. Danny Hurley won back to back
titles at you Cott and so they probably reached out
to say, where's Danny Hurley with this deal? And remember
he had just turned down the University of Kentucky and
was offered, we were told a big contract extension. So
you go through the early lists of things and like,
(04:47):
who would you who do you really want? Man? I
love to have Danny Hurley. He's awesome, awesome, And then
they were told he wasn't available. Then when you look
back at last week, shortly before the Danny Hurley news broke,
the coach that was in for the last interview before
(05:10):
the news broke was James Barrego. Now, James Rego's probably
going to be the head coach of the Cavs, right,
James Barrego has the same agent as Danny Hurley. His
name is Brent Brett. Just I know Brett because he
used to reret me when I was a CIA guy.
He since left CIA. He's maybe the most powerful basketball
(05:33):
coaching agent in the country. Most of it used to
be with college basketball, but now it's in the NBA
as well. So my guess is this is a fairly
educated guess is that when the Barrego thing didn't feel
like it would make JJ, they're like, how do we
(05:54):
build a staff? Remember there was actually talk and rumors
out there, print rumors by I think WOJ and I
know Scham's that Brego. They talked about him being the
lead assistant. So you bring Brego in, You're like, hey,
what about being the assistant. He's like, Hm, I'd rather
be the head coach. I don't want to be the assistant.
They were likely struggling to find a staff to work
(06:16):
with JJ Reddick. So when you're struggling to find a staff,
you start having second thoughts. You circle back and you
just talk to James Morego's agent and he says, you know,
Danny Hurley's contract has not been signed. It's not done
matter of fact, it's a little light of the money
he expected. So then Danny Hurley becomes the primary target
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and they're going to fly him out to Los Angeles.
And if you remember, before that Friday meeting there was
the story of expectations being one hundred million dollar contract.
You do know that the Lakers aren't the only ones
that get the leak stories. So too does does Danny
(07:02):
Hurley in his camp. And as I believe Jason Stewart
has pointed out, Jason, there's only one book that Adrian
war Zanowski has written. And when Woj does his appearances
from his home, didn't she tell me that book is
behind him.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
It's called The Miracle of Saint Anthony.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Miracle Saint Anthony. That's a book written by Woch, the
only book he's written about Bob Hurley Senior, the Hall
of Fame head coach and father of Danny Hurley. So
when the story comes out that the expectations are one
hundred million dollar deal, what is that? That is the
if you want to get this done, if you want
Danny Hurley to be your next head coach, there's the number.
(07:48):
And they landed on seventy million. Now seventy million compared
to the fifty million that he ended up signing with
with Yukon is substantial money. But he told you through
sources one hundred million the number. So they came in
thirty million dollars short. And so now they're left with
JJ Breddick JJ Reddick feeling like he's more than just
(08:11):
the second choice. He's like the last possible choice. And
they got all questions about it. The Lakers extended themselves
to a level that they never have for a coach,
especially when now that's never coached in the NBA. And
oh yeah, by the way, he turned them down because
they still came in light and this perception that they
(08:33):
weren't in on Danny Hurley all along. They're just simply
lying about it. Dan Byer, what do you think? What
do you think of my hypotheses?
Speaker 3 (08:46):
Sorry, Doug, can you repeat that for Hi? I'm sorry, Yeah, just.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
My hypotheses is that they did, in fact, we did
have interest in Danny Hurley initially, only at that time
he was in the Kentucky. He turned down Kentucky. They
thought he had a contract extension, they thought it was done,
and then Brego and him have the same agent. When
the Brego thing wasn't going to be for a head coach,
(09:10):
his agent very likely said, hey, you know, Danny Hurley's
Deal's not done. So did Danny use it for leverage? Sure?
But would he have taken it if it was a
hundred million dollars probably because one hundred million dollars versus
fifty million dollars that's twice as much money. Of course,
you take that deal. Everybody takes that deal seventy million
dollars like, Yeah, I don't know. I'm a Jersey guy,
(09:32):
I'm an East Coast guy. The Knicks are going to
be open in a couple of years. I could go
for the three pt. So did leverage become a part
of it? Yes? Was it a leverage play? I don't
think so. If it was a one hundred million dollars.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
I think it was a majority was based on leverage.
And it's from what you were saying in terms of
if they would have given me one hundred million dollars,
that would have been the you know, their head coach,
which would have doubled what we expect him to get
at Yukon so to So, even in that where I
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don't know how realistic it would be that the Lakers
would give him that amount. I know they're comparing average
annual salaries to other NBA head coaches, and the Lakers
probably should have topped, you know, Monty Williams deal. But
it just seems to me of if you're not going
to coach the Lakers now, when are you gonna do it?
Like are they better in five years?
Speaker 3 (10:34):
I don't know, No, I don't think.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I don't think the Lakers think comes along again. So
I don't I got it. And I asked my son
last night. He's watching. He's like, he turned down the
Lakers and seventy million dollars, Is he crazy? I was like,
I guess it's like that's dumb. They're never gonna ask
him again. And I agree, and he's, you know, he's
he's fifteen year old kid, but I agree. I mean,
(10:56):
I think everybody thinks, well, the Knicks should. There's no
there's no telling what happens with those jobs. I mean, really,
that's why I took my job, you know, like I
didn't get it last year. I didn't think it was
coming back around. It's a great opportunity, a great job
go Obviously, the zeros are there's fewer. There's a lot
(11:17):
of other stuff, but everybody has their reasons or excuses
or whatever.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
It is funny that the Knicks finally have success in
a coach that has stabilized the organization, and now we're
just wondering when they're going to move on so Danny
Hurley can take over.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
Well, it's also the Yeah, they have success, but people
are like, well, he wears out their players, he coaches
them too hard. It's like your people are never happy, Like,
what do you want him to do? You know, what
do you want him to do? Jace? What do you
think of my hypotheses? No? I like it.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
I think it has a lot of truth to it.
And what your hypothesis does is it directly contradicts this
one whine. Remember when woj broke the news was on
the sixth of June? Was that last Thursday. Among his
tweets disclosing that the Lakers have zeroed in on Danny Hurley,
(12:14):
he says, Hurley's been at the forefront of the Lakers
search from the beginning of the process. Now, like most things,
I'm less interested about the details on these than how
it's covered. So the Cold War between WOJE and Chalms
is interesting. Chams went on his platform today and said
(12:36):
that Hurley was not at the forefront of their search
from the beginning. This was a fairly recent process. I
find that interesting because WOGE is all about reputation. WOGE
is the top of the business, and I don't know
why he would exaggerate that or put that in there
if it wasn't true, if not to just help out
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Danny Hurley. And that's kind of the curious thing about.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Those Samoo, do you think.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
I definitely think that Danny Hurley is benefits from all
of this. You know, he comes out of this, uh
even more above it all. And by the way, if
he's coaching the Knicks, Danny Hurley's coaching that he also
coaches guys pretty hard, doesn't he. I mean he I
saw a clip of him being like, these guys run,
they run everywhere. I know, I don't know. So, I mean,
(13:28):
if if Tom, if Bibbs or Tibbs, how are you.
Speaker 1 (13:31):
No, I'm I'm I'm with I'm with Dan though. Dan,
It's like, you know, we're we finally got a Knicks
coach who's finally got them competitor. No, Yeah, and now
you're like, yeah, get rid of it, let's get Danny.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
Oh yeah, no, I think that they're yeah, this is
the most the Knicks have had a long time.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
But I also think that and and also the powers
that be Leon Rose that those aren't his people. There
would have to be a regime change, Like look, I
just think he didn't think it was the deal was right,
and I would guess there's a lot of other parts
to the Lakers that I think people are starting to realize,
Like Rob Polinka doesn't have an assistant GM. You know
(14:06):
that they'll hire a cat, they have a cap consultant,
but that stuff sometimes. So you got one guy who's
not really he didn't come up through the GM rank,
so he doesn't have this depth of Man, I've done
this for years and he has been the GM for
a good amount it almost a decade, like a decade now, right,
But it's it's just a very different shot basically him
(14:27):
and Kurt Rambis and then Kurt Rambas's wife and making
the decisions like that's it. It's so weird in comparison
to how other organizations are run. And I don't know,
it's quite obviously not a well run deal, and I
think part of it is they try and keep it lean,
but sometimes you try and keep it too lean and
(14:49):
it ends up biting in the in the backside. It's
really really interesting though, how you know. I think our
view of the Lakers and the actual Lakers are two different,
and they have a reputation of being cheap with everybody
outside the players. Seventy million isn't cheap, but he told
you through that other tweet one hundred million dollars was
(15:11):
the number. Here's Seam Sharania summing up the coaching search.
He met with JJ Reddick, once, he met with James
Bargo a supper time solo, and then James Brago came
into the facility, met with everyone, met with ownership, and
then they last week on Wednesday, turned their attention.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I'm told to Dan Hurley and he was not the
number one candidate, the number one guy to.
Speaker 5 (15:34):
Go pursue from the start, from the beginning.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Yeah, so a little bit of is Shams and Woje
in a peeing match, right, No, he wasn't the number one.
I think it's very possible that in a brainstorming session
somebody said, hey, what about Danny Hurley and they made
a call and they're like, yeah, he's he's got a
new deal coming. And when they found out the deal
(15:59):
hadn't made yet, they tried to go in, which actually
is really really smart. The problem is that if you
don't get it and you tick off all the other
potential coaches, especially a JJ Reddick. I still think JJ
takes it by the way, Like it's not like the
head coaching jobs are just coming JJ's way, you know,
on a he gets chance to be Lakers. I just
(16:19):
don't think they're going to go. I think both sides
are just cool on each other. You know, you go
on dates with the people and you're like, you know,
that first date wasn't as good as I thought.
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you from the tyrec dot Com studios. So the guys
had developed a segment and I really like it, and
today it really makes sense. It's called.
Speaker 5 (17:00):
There's a question that needs an answer, and the answer
is if only there was someone with the authority and
the wisdom to give us that answer.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
No, I'm the head coach. I get to set the schedule.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
Hold on, let's ask the coach.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
All right, let's ask the coach.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Today a Doug Gottwab new head coach at the University
of Wisconsin Green Bay. Can you coach effort? The reason
I ask this is because Christy Sides coaches Caitlin Clark
and the Indiana Fever and they got bulldozed last night
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by a better team, and afterwards she said this to
the media.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I'm gonna start with, you can't at this level coach effort.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
I feel like we were just trying to ask them
to keep playing hard, play hard.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
You can't.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
You can't start there.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
You can't play in this league.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
That's what you have to coach.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
It's just too harm What.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
Do you think, Doug, could you coach effort? Can you coach?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I actually think effort is the number one thing you coach.
It just is I understand, and just so you know,
like this is an attack on her, I just disagree
with This is a narrative that some coaches believe in.
You can't coach effort, it's expected you're a professional you're
supposed to bring that effort. That's fine, okay, But if
somebody's not playing hard and you take them out and
(18:21):
put somebody else in and say, if you want to
stay in, you got to play your tail off, right,
that's coaching effort, you know, calling time out you're not
playing hard enough. Your job as a coach, the number
one job I believe you have as a coach is
to have your team at what's called the magic level,
right where they're hyped up for the game, but not
(18:43):
too hyped up, but also not kind of just going
through the paces. And they didn't meet that criteria. So absolutely,
you can coach effort.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
How do you do it? How do you coach it?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
I mean, it's it's like an everyday thing. It's like
your vitamins, you know, every single day. I mean, obviously,
I think you guys have seen some of the switch
go on with me when we're doing a show as
opposed to not doing a show. Crank that up to
like seven or eight. And I'm just an intense person.
You demand intensity every time they step on the floor.
(19:17):
If you're not getting it, then there's all different sorts away,
Like I get it, Like some days there are days
in professional basketball you're like, we just don't have it.
We just don't have it. You know, we're just tired.
And I have no doubt that that's what's taking place
here is they're just exhausted by this. Remember, this is
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a league that nobody paid attention to. She's never been
involved in any of this. She has no idea, and
nobody ever listened to their press conferences. They're the worst
team in the league last year. Now they're the most
watched team in the league, and they're still not particularly good.
It's exhausting. So I do understand what she's saying. I
just vehemently disagree with a narrative. And she's not the
(19:58):
only one. There's plenty of big time men's co which
istead Of said can't coach effort. I actually think that's
the number one thing you do. You don't coach it,
you have to demand it.
Speaker 2 (20:09):
So when she says you can't coach effort, to me,
that that says this isn't a coaching problem, this is
a player problem. It seems like it's a classic throwing
the players under the bus. Thing. So you don't you
don't agree with that, given what you just said.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
No, I don't. I don't think it's throw of the
players on the bus. I think it's a way actually
of spreading it all around and not being individually critical
of any one player. We just didn't have collectively, we
didn't have the effort today, So I would I would
(20:43):
say that's that's a good portion of it. The other
part to it, And this is kind of interesting. Like
I've said this about playing with Lebron, it's true about
playing for Duke or playing for Kentucky and playing with
Caitlin Clark, you're getting every team's best shot. None of
these women have played in front of packed houses in
the WNBA, Like the Mystics are the worst team in
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the WNBA and they had a sold out game when
they talk about now the fever one. But the point
is that you're getting every team's best. When Duke comes
to town, that team raises its level. When Kansas whent Kentucky,
when the Lakers. I've said this about Lebron, like everybody
thinks the stats will translate, there's like two different nbas
(21:27):
If you play for the Detroit Pistons, no one knows
you know. Caid Cunningham averaged twenty two game. I had
no idea until he signed that Max deal if Caid
Cunningham was having a good career or a bad career
because he was hurt last year and this year he played,
but played like sixty some odd games. Why because nobody
cares the Lakers. Every time you play against Lebron, you
(21:48):
got a chance to make a name for yourself, and
teams take that seriously. So I think that's one of
the things that's affecting them. And when you're getting everybody's
best shot, when you're playing in this traveling circus, it
can wear you out.
Speaker 4 (22:02):
Dan Buyer, I did not watch the game last night.
I heard you guys talking about the fouls and her
not then being in the game and the chance of
we want Caitlin. There is the flip side to all
of this, when a coach comes out and says that
the team isn't trying, and when all of our focus
is on Caitlyn Clark. If you didn't watch the game
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like me, I just assume that Caitlyn Clark wasn't trying,
and so the other players actually get a pass for
being Like we've talked about this squad and the attention
that's brought to it. And maybe they're not the greatest
teammates of all, but when bad stuff is happening or
where they're not winning, we're not talking about any of
(22:45):
the other players. We always put this on Caitlyn Clark's shoulders.
And now for this statement to be brought out, as
they said, I didn't watch last night's game. I don't
know if it was it was her, if it was
another player, but I can tell you that I think
that there are other people that were probably like me, thinking, like,
all right, she's talking about Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Because Caitlyn Clark didn't play in the final quarter Dan,
and on that coach side, she actually ended up like
pulling most of the starters in the second half, so
like it was a team wide failure. Sure, and you know, Caitlyn,
she only played twenty two minutes. She was like three
of eight, you know, so she didn't get.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Her normal minus thirty looking at the box score here, right,
but you know, so it was just a team failure.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
It can't all go on Kaitlyn, you know. No, But
that's my point is that it does. It does, like
so like not so it's not.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Yeah, so here's a but that's also so for the
teammates to be mad, Like here a coach calls out
her team and because of all of our attention, like
it's not all roses for Caitlyn Clark. Like when the
team stinks, we think, yeah, maybe that her teammates aren't
as great, but if she's only having ten points, we think, okay,
it's not her. And then when her coach calls out
(23:50):
and says I benched players or because they weren't trying,
and we find out she doesn't play in the fourth quarter,
I guarantee there are a lot of people out there
are saying, Jaez, maybe Kaitlyn Clark wasn't trying.
Speaker 1 (23:59):
Maybe that's exactly what I think. So I think she
got benched, and I think it's it's part of it.
She's trying to make a point and hold Caitlin accountable.
Uh And and I do like what happens when you
say this is people or you're just making an excuse,
It's like, okay, Well, whether it's an excuse or a reality,
(24:21):
the point is I think she's exhausted. I think this
whole thing is way more than anybody ever thought it
would be ever. And you know, whether that's lack of
effort last night, or she just didn't have any gas
in the tank. The reality to it is that was
(24:42):
there was nothing there. Didn't she shoot like a four
foot airball?
Speaker 5 (24:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (24:46):
That was amazing.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
And then you see people like it goes online people
in comments are like, oh, well, that's why she was
left off of Team USA. It's like, give me a break.
That's one shot. I saw you, Doug, I saw your
Roger Federer clip for his commencement speech. It's a bad shot.
She'll put behind her and she's got, you know, infinity
more to shots to take. But I did want to
remind you guys of this. Kaylyn Clark is averaging twenty
(25:09):
six points seven points on two or more days rest,
five and a half points on zero day's rest. She
has a game like that. She's exhausted. That's why she
airballed that that little three foot jumper. Her arms were
just fatigued. But there was a day between rust that
was about to back game. Do they played on Friday? No,
they played on Sunday. Also, Tony if check.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
No, no, no, they did not play back the back.
There is this funny joke on Twitter that's great and
it's always I don't know if it's the same person
or if it's just the thing that people have picked up.
It says a blank person dunked her first basketball, and
it was like Angel Reaves gets her first WNBA dunk
(25:52):
and then it's a video of her like missing a
breakaway layup. It's really funny. So last night it was
Caitlyn Clark gets her first w NBA dunk and it
was little like eight foot air ball.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
It's amazing. I mean, like, look, Sam, you can make
all excuse want I do think she's tired. She did
shoot airball from four or five.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
I just know. I know Jason got us all with that.
I was like, wait, a lot of people fell for it.
In the comments, They're like, oh, dunk and they're like,
oh my gosh, what is this?
Speaker 1 (26:23):
Yeah, no, it was it was something.
Speaker 4 (26:25):
Can I couick Before I do the update, I want
to bring up a point that last week when I
was in with you with Olden, I brought up the
point that nothing has really gone right for Caitlin Clark
since she turned pro Like, when you look at what
has gone like, there's she hasn't been given anything. Her
teammates don't like her, her opponents are jealous of her.
(26:48):
It's it's really bad. And my point was she should
have just gone back to Iowa. And the point isn't
that it was this smart decision to it would have
been the smart decision because we talked about the decision
that was at hand Iowa. Sam took offense to me
saying that she should have gone back to Iowa.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
But the point was why why what? Why she why
would she go back for a fifth year and just
dilute the record she already set, Like I don't, I
don't get that. I know, like you said to me,
because she did the w NBA.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Do you understand what I'm saying, like when like hex,
she should have just stayed at Iowa and the pot.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
What you're saying, yeah, I don't, I don't know. Do
you mean it or are you making more of a
statement of.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Yes, correct? That is what I'm doing. Is the obvious
move was. But the point is.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Everything is Sam's taking you literally, Yes, I'm I'm listening
to you figuratively correct.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
Where I mean, there's there. She hasn't.
Speaker 4 (27:47):
People think that she's gotten everything in the w NBA
so far, and she's gotten nothing, and she's actually being
used by the league to push their own agenda because
of who she is. But she hasn't really gotten anything
in this league. She hasn't got a break from her teammates,
from from opponents and scheduling, Like what what was better
two months ago, you know, or now than it was
(28:09):
two months ago for Caitlyn Clark.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Nothing but I mean, okay, And so that's it.
Speaker 4 (28:14):
It's just a figure. Like the point is is like
her though at some point Kaitlyn Clark did the w
NBA a solid by going pro, yes, and by taking
that stewardship to the next level. And now when she
gets there, she gets absolutely nothing for it. Yeah, that's
the point of it except venom, yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
Venom from the players. Did you see the woman that
was tasked to defend her last night when Caitlyn like
went around a screen or something, and then maybe a
little exaggerated the.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
Yeah, here's here's the here's the thing, Jason. I'll say
this that the throwing the head back is the move
the guys have done, and there's always every game it's done,
one of the one of the opponents mocks that. So
that's actually like real basketball, it's a it happens all
the time.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Do we know that her own teammates. I know that
like djon A. Carrington probably doesn't care for katein Clark
and wants to clown her as much she can. But
do we know her own teammates don't like her just
because they didn't stick of her when she got hitp checked.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I don't think her own team that's like her.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
I think that's why. Do they dislike her? Because the
attention or because they think she's just like not a
good teammate or what.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
I don't think they think she's as good as the hype.
I think there's jealousy. I think it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Yet she's the best player on the team.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
It doesn't matter. Like you're talking reality, I'm talking you
ask why women wouldn't like her? Again, just telling you
the reality to it? You know, I this is I
was thinking about this. Tell me if you guys understand
the parallel. Okay. Something that doesn't make sense to me
is why these women would you know, be all for her? Right?
(29:57):
That doesn't make sense to any of us? Is that fair?
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (30:01):
Okay? I think I can make sense of it and
let me compare it to There are some gay women
who are protesting gay white women who are protesting to
support the Palestinians, and you're like, okay, you would have
your head cut off by the people that you're quote
(30:25):
unquote supporting. Like it doesn't make any sense. The Hebrew
expression is ain he ione. It doesn't make any sense.
But here's the sense I can make of it. It's
you have people that feel marginalized, they feel made fun
of that, they feel they feel like their successes gay
(30:47):
are not recognized, and the level they're supposed to do,
and all of that is wrapped into this well, here's this,
here's this girl, and she just gets here and she
gets all the shine, this attention and the energy goes there.
Whether it makes sense or not, that's what's happening. And
I think the same thing for some of these people
with pat like why would you protest for these evil
(31:08):
people that want to do you harm or your country harm,
your religion harm? Why would you do that? It's because
they don't know how to process all of this anger
and bitterness and discontentment. What do you think, I think deep,
if the deep, if.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
These all these other w NBA players were really playing
the long game, then they would embrace her and be like, yes, yes,
you are a cash cow to hire salaries. But in
the moment they're like, you know, they've been completely ignored
for however long they've been in the league, and she
comes in and brings all his attention, and I understand,
I understand why some of them are hostile towards her
(31:47):
or want to make her look like a fool.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
I know, we have my update, but it also reminds
me a little bit when Tiger Woods came on to her.
But what Tiger did was he just then't beat everybody. Yeah,
so they were forced to you know, who accepts his greatness.
But golf is a different sport than team women's basketball,
and the team and the teams that they're playing, I
don't think are making it easy on her. Not that
(32:11):
she doesn't bear responsibility, because she probably has to get
stronger and do a bunch of other things. But but
I do think that there are parallels to it. Now,
you ask any player, and the purses are, you know, astronomical.
Speaker 1 (32:27):
I think that's a really good parallel. And the difference
is that Tiger didn't care like was it fuzzy zeller
mate was teasing him and use some you know, racial
stuff when talk about the master's dinner and is like
it didn't matter, he was kicking his ass. Is a
beautiful thing, but she's just not there yet. Neither is
the team there yet.
Speaker 5 (32:47):
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Dan Byer, let's get to the press.
Speaker 5 (33:17):
The press.
Speaker 4 (33:19):
We got Dan, Doug. We actually have news just in
from the US Open. Twenty twenty one. US Open champion
John Rahm, who also has a green jacket in his closet,
has withdrawn from this week's event at Pinehurst. Number two
will not be playing in the US Open because of
an infection between his toes. He actually wore a sandal
(33:42):
to the press availability. I believe it was earlier today
at Pinehurst. Number two had problems playing in the live
event this past weekend with it ended up withdrawing there
and has now withdrawn from the third major of the year.
He was slated to play with Jordan Speith and a
Decie Matsuyama in the first two rocks. They're to tee
off at one thirty six Eastern time on Thursday. But
(34:04):
John Rahm is now out to the US Open.
Speaker 1 (34:06):
Is it is it an ingrown toenail?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Like?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
What is it?
Speaker 3 (34:10):
It was a cut apparently, I don't know real bad
case of athletes foot it's it's bad enough and the
move to live like this is.
Speaker 1 (34:19):
Been a disaster form.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Yes, he should have just stayed at Iowa, right.
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah, he should stayed Iowa.
Speaker 4 (34:26):
That that there's your callback pace to listen to the show.
Speaker 3 (34:30):
But John ram is out.
Speaker 4 (34:31):
I did also mention a bit earlier I would tell
you when Tiger Woods would be teeing off. Tiger is
going to be teeing off at seven twenty nine Eastern
time Thursday morning. They'll be going off. The tenth team
playing with Matt Fitzpatrick and Will zelatoris Will Tiger Woods.
Charlie Woods has been his keen observer through these first
couple of days of the practice rounds at Pinehurst number
(34:52):
two as well.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
How good is Charlie?
Speaker 4 (34:55):
He still needs some work, yes, so he's not there yet.
He's try to a couple of qualifiers. I think he
tried to qualify for the US Open and didn't make
it through local qualifying.
Speaker 3 (35:08):
So yeah, there's is there a.
Speaker 1 (35:10):
Race to play in the same tournament between him and
Lebron and Bron play o'browny.
Speaker 4 (35:14):
I don't think that the race is as urgent because
Tiger could still tee it up at fifty five if
he wanted to, or at fifty seven. Somebody would put
him in an event if Charlie was at that level
in eight years. But it's a little different for Lebron
because how many more seasons you know do you have?
Speaker 3 (35:34):
Left?
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yep.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
The world's most famous eater, Joey Chestnut, will not be
able to compete in the Nathan's Fourth of July Hot
Dog eating competition. His endorsement deal with vegan brand Impossible
Foods will now make him ineligible to compete in the
Nathan's event, So there will be no Joey Chestnut on
Independence Day. Dounting hot dogs looking for his seventeenth mustard Belt.
Speaker 1 (35:57):
It's interesting because obviously he's won it sixteen sixteen times,
but we forget that Kobayashi was Joey Chestnut before there
was Joey Chestnut. So sliding doors it opens up an
opportunity for somebody else either. Well. But by the way,
the greatest eater of all time is Scotty Brooks, isn't it.
(36:18):
That's a you see her Vine joke. Sorry, I'll show.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Myself, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
Yeah, it was like there somewhere Wayne Angels, Dad, It's like, hey,
Todd Thornton's like yo.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Anyway, Jason Stewart, did you want in on this?
Speaker 2 (36:31):
I was just wondering if you guys do you guys
like watching that. I've never once seen it. I've seen
highlights and it makes me stick to my stomach, Like,
what do you enjoy watching the eating competition?
Speaker 3 (36:43):
No, yeah, I don't mind it. I tune in. I
like the atmosphere.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
I like the intros. The intros are funny, so over
the top, but I don't watch the eating.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Also, when a protester jumps on stage and Joey Chestnut
like folds him like a like a towel like in
like a millisecond and didn't happen last year two years ago.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Do you think Joey Chestnut's gonna eat fake hot dogs
like across the street from the actual Nathan's competition?
Speaker 3 (37:06):
She just have his own competition. They could have there,
They could and I'm sure they probably will.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
By the way, is there a lot of difference between
a fake food and hot dogs?
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Like?
Speaker 2 (37:19):
Isn't there somewhere in between? Hot dogs are made of
something that most people don't know what they're made of.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Right, kind of ironic to mention hot dogs and fake
food in the same sentence, and not I says, I.
Speaker 1 (37:29):
Do think in defensive Nathan's I do think they're one
hundred percent beef hot dogs.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
You're always defending Nathan's on I'm just telling you, I think,
but all the Nathans, like Nathan Eavaldi, you're always defending him.
Speaker 4 (37:45):
Christian mccaffery's gonna down the cover of Madden twenty five.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Bad news for Christian McCaffrey.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
Right, that's the yes, that's the prevailing thoughts. And finally, guys,
the Holiday Bowl is going back to Mission Valley. For
the last few years, it has been played at Pedkill Park.
Of course, for years was at the Murph, which no
longer is there snap Dragon Stadium instead, it's in its place,
and that will host the Holiday Bowl starting back again
(38:12):
in December.
Speaker 1 (38:13):
Hey San Diego, congratulations. You could have had a National
champiship game if you built a domed stadium in downtown. Instead,
you want to do it out in the valley, and
now you get it at snap Dragon in a bowl game.
Nobody cares about.
Speaker 3 (38:24):
That's the press, all right.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
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