May 23, 2025 • 43 mins
More on the Thunder winning game 2 of the WCF
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Speaker 4 (00:43):
Let's get into last night's game, because you know, the
Knicks take the floor tonight after what was an absolute
epic and complete choke chob and And again I don't Colin,
it was. Colin has is brilliant in the simplicity of
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how he does what he does. And I don't think
that Colin takes a cue from anybody and decides to
be a contrarian. I am the same. If I'm a contrarian,
it's because I have a contrary opinion, not because I'm
a contrarian. But Colin is the guy who yesterday said
what you heard on the intro? Hey man, the Knicks
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just made a bunch of shots. I mean, the Pacers
just made a bunch of shots. Nicks didn't play poorly, like, yeah,
they missed two free throws, they turned the basketball over,
and they didn't defend Aaron Smith for several of those shots,
Like you can't allow a great catch and shoe shooter
to get open catch and shoot shots on little handoffs
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and not be there Like, yeah, they choked that one.
Is any choke helped by great plays?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah? Or any great.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Comeback help by chokes? Yes, they do work in concert
with each other. So we'll get to to foreshadowing forecasting
for that game. Let's look back at last night last night,
Oklahoma City. So game one, the Wolves lead at the
half and in the second half completely different.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Shaye Guilda, Alexander.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Anthony Edwards doesn't score a point in the fourth quarter,
and what they will They trailed a half or run
the second half and the game was over. Yesterday was
obviously a celebration of Shae Gildas Alexander getting receiving his
MVP award before the game. And here's here's Shay talking
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about balancing fun and competing.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
We just prioritize what matters, and like we've come to
realize that you win games and all that other stuff
comes after. And it's you guys saw it last night
with myself and uh Lou and Dove today, getting a
recognition when you win games and you do it together
and you have fun out there, everything else, all the
individual stuff you want, it comes with it, but it
starts with taking care of business a basketball court, and
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we know that.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Here's Mark Dagnaut, who's their head coach, talking about Shay's
impact on the game.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
And I thought he led tonight just with his approach
and his force and his blend. You know, he threw
great passes down the stretch, you know the attacks Nick
was talking about. You know, I thought he had good
blend of attacks and early passes and he kept the
scoreboard moving for us down the stretch.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Here's Chris Finch, Wolves head coach talking about the difficulty
in scheming against the MVP.
Speaker 7 (03:27):
Yeah, obviously, you know, Shay's a handful to contain. You know,
he's getting around us to you know, to when there's contact.
He's getting around us, and you know, we gotta do
a better job of square on him.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Squareing, I mean, got to keep him in front. Once
he gets on your hip, that's once you get he
gets you on his hip, that's when he can glean India,
cut off angles, make you foul him, throw his hands up,
heads back, throw the ball up and or just you know,
pivot and you go kind of flying by like he's
amazing at his use of angles. There's a little James
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Harden in terms of his foul merchantry. There's a little
Kobe Bryant in terms of his footwork and understanding of
angles and cutting into guys. There's a lot. There's also
a lot of Kobe in terms of the footwork as well,
like the pivoting it there's parts of it which are
incredible to watch. It's just hard with him falling out
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all the time. And what I think is sort of
missing one is defensively, how the Thunder are scheming, where
they're playing much more of a college style. It's called
you know, they're just loading to the ball, which means
they're over into the gaps, deep into the gaps, and
the help daring you not just to make that easy
pass next to you. That pass doesn't really, but daring
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you to get a dribble and then skip that ball
to the weak side corner of the weak side low
wing right where now all of a sudden you have
a harder close out. And the counter last night for
the Wolves was they put Anthony Edwards in the post,
which helps.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Somebody's not really a post. It's not really what he does.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
He's a downhill attack guy, which means you have to
skip the ball to him and then let him get
downhill attack and then give him the answers, knowing where
the questions are going.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
To be posed to him.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
But I think the bigger thing is that there's nothing
unlikable about the Oklahoma City thunder Right, There's nothing really
unlikable about them. I mean, tell me what it is.
They've put together this team. You know, Shay was a big.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Piece, but just a piece of the Paul George trade.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
You know, they've drafted well, they developed, They've added some
really smart pieces, but nobody crazy. They obviously value Alex Caruso,
who helped the Lakers win a championship and then was
just mired in difficult seasons with the Chicago Bulls, and
he's become kind of their defensive energy and stalwart here
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in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Plus he's got that championship experience.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
They doesn't not the like It's just it's not a
great watch when the best player is constantly falling down
and constantly drawing fouls constantly. And the difference is probably
that we see it more clearly now.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It's it's a lot like officiating.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Like people can say officiating is worse now than it's
ever been, But what's the reality to it. The reality
to it is we see the calls way more clearly now.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You know, you remember the first time you watched HDTV.
You just remember that.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Remember when when I think it was ESPN was like
the first sports network. I was working there at the time,
and they came out with with ESPN HT and you
flip overre like, man, that looks so much better.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
You go back to standard death.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
You're like, how did we survive on this for e
fifty forty years? And with that with the much better technology,
more cameras, more slow mo, You're like, even that.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Have you guys seen the.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Replay of the Haliburton three where he dribbles It looks
like he was grabbed twice, but then he double dribbles
and then back dribbles back for a three like even.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
That those are three things I didn't know happened.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
If not for that slow motion and camera angle, I
had no idea, and I was watching the game in
real time didn't think anything of it. So I bring
that up to point out that it's not that guys
didn't draw fowls before. Michael Jordan drew a ton of fowls,
Magic Johnson drew a ton of fouls, Larry Bird drew
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a ton of fowls. It's that it's one thing to
draw fowls, to draw contact, to jump into guys, to
absorb contact on drives, to get smacked on drives, it's
a whole thing to grab somebody else's arm, lock it
in with your arm, and then as you go to shoot,
throw up your arm, which is then contacted by his
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arm because it's stuck kind of in your bread basket,
if you will, and get fouled. Like that's free throw
merchant tree free throw artistry that no one has seen
at this level, and it's way way, way more obvious
now with replays with the best of the best of
the cameras, with all the different camera angles now you're like, yeah,
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this is hard to watch, hard to watch and foundom
vowles have occurred for years, years, years, but now it's
just way more obvious. And it takes a really likable
bunch that honestly is winning because their defense more their offense,
that seems to like each other. This seems to not
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take life all that seriously. Like they check the boxes
for all the things you want, but their best player
constantly falling down and ending up with the free throw line.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
It's just one of those like, yeah, I get it,
but I don't love it. I don't love it. I
don't love it.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
You know, we do have a sense of like manliness
with our drives and our fouls and the sense that
like playoff fowls. But I mean we went from Harden
constantly throwing his head back and getting calls and not
getting them in the playoffs to shake Gilds as Alexander
literally cutting in front of people, purposely tangling their legs,
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falling down, locking in their arms, drawing vowls, and us
getting annoyed by it.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
It's this is all new, right.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
This is his first time being the MVP, this is
their first time in the conference finals with this group.
All of this is new, and yet I would guess
that this is going to be in addition to the
fact that it's Oklahoma City, it's just not.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
That great a watch.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
It's just not that great a watch. Whereas the Pacers
Knicks series, and this is even before the Pacers came
back and won. Just the way in which the Pacer play,
the frenetic pace, the number of possessions and fewer fowls
because of you know, foul merchant try and don't get
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me wrong, Jalen Brunson, he draws a lot of fowls.
He does bang into guys and fallover. He doesn't do
the lock in arms the way that Shay Gildess Alexander does.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
But that a better watching product. That's a better product.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
So you can hear what Chris Finch is saying, Hey,
don't gets you on his hip, keep him in front,
square them up. They can't call fowls that way. But
it's frustrating, and his head coach saying, look, the best
thing he did was past night. But I would say
that that Shay is you know, the bigger the stage,
the better he's got to play. But the more obvious
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it's going to be that. So much of his success
is based upon his ability to get to the free
tow line. That has to be a benefit of how
good you are. Not you can't benefit from the freeth
of line to be that good. I think that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
There's where the disconnect is. He's great at.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
What he does, and he seems like an awesome dude,
But as somebody who coaches and has watched and evaluated
basketball for twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, it's a hard one to watch.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
And again, like we when we're recruiting, we like that
volume of free throws. You get in there and do
you avoid or do you go to contact. There's a
difference in going to contact and creating artificial contact in
order there be any contact to get a foul.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
That's where you kind of draw the line, all right.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Coming up next to in the heard, I'm Doug Gottlieb.
When someone is waiting on you and they say we'll
wait a little longer, how do you react? More importantly,
how will Aaron Rodgers react? We'll discuss next in The Herd.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
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Mark Stein's going to join us. Uh after we get
to Herdline news.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Of course, long time NBA reporter and Inside republishes a
substack called the Steinline. We'll get to get to that upcoming. Uh,
JASEU what what up and down?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Day is? Night? Black is white?
Speaker 4 (12:25):
The Angels have won seven games in a row, including
sweeping your Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
That is that?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Is that what's happened here in baseball? I mean that's
is that our that our baseball update? That makes no
sense at all that it happened.
Speaker 8 (12:37):
And Uh, Angels are kind of having a weird season, right.
They started off hot. I want to say they were
in first place after a couple of weeks. Then they
then they played like the Angels and then yeah, they
lose trout and they won seven in a row, including
sweeping the Dodgers. I think Dodger fans could take solace
that Will will likely won back to back championships, but uh,
losing three in a row the Angels, that's a tough total.
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Swallow him.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's got to be a tep fell as fault and
then the Rockies are a team again. I challenge people
to name a current Colorado Rocky. They're off to the
worst start in the history of baseball through fifty games, right,
they won eight, eight and forty two.
Speaker 8 (13:17):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (13:20):
And imagine being a Rockies fan, like.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Can't imagine this one. I can't imagine this one. This one,
I can imagine it. It's like imagine, no, no, no, don't
have to imagine. I know the feeling.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
It sucks.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And again, I don't think they were designed to be good,
but I'm sure there's some of that.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
When things go wrong, they just all go wrong. It
was like, ah, I just get it all in right.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Just but man, you're talking historically bad with I mean,
it's like baseball, it should even out. You should be
at least decent, you know, win one game in a
series where they don't take it seriously. But that's a
considering the consistency that the Rockies had in terms of
success once they kind of figured it out, to now
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being just dormant in terms of success in the last
five or so years.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
All right, Mark Stein.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
In the second we'll also talk some brock perty later
on the show.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
But let's get to herd Line news.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
No, no, no, the news.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
This is the Herdline News. Doug.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Steelers owner Art Rooney must be sick of this question.
Remember back in April when he was asked about Aaron Rodgers,
he said that the team would would quote not wait forever.
So recently he was asked by ESPN, same question, and
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Art Rooney says, we'll wait a little longer, a little
while longer. Now, how do you have What do we
do with this? Because I think Mark Dominic last hour
just told you that you want Rogers around for OTA's
I think that's a start in June fifth. So what
transpires here over the next five days.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I mean it's just got to be like are you coming?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
You know, it's the invite to the party that you
had to invite somebody because they are the life of
the party, or they used to be the life of
the party.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
And he got invited.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
If you don't invite him, they're like, I'll let you know,
I got a really busy schedule. I just for an
organization like the Steelers that I think partly trade away
George Pickens because they didn't like entitlement. They wanted guys
that are more part of the team, more part of
culture to wait on Aaron Rodgers. And I'm not somebody
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who tells you that Aaron Rodgers is terrible for the culture,
but just the way in which he's handling it where
a lack of decisiveness and not hey, I'm gonna be
a Steeler.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I just I'm gonna be there when I'm there, you
know whatever.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
It's just just very anti Steeler and it just shows
their desperation for a quarterback, especially one who, even at
the end of his career, liked like an Aaron Rodgers
in comparison to what they've been thrown out there.
Speaker 8 (16:11):
I want to give Kaitlyn Clark credit here. She is
so relevant that she has risen to the level of
being an item on Herdline News. Last night, the Fever
went into Atlanta and spoiled their home opener. I know
most people don't care about that part. Caitlyn Clark win
an entire game without making a three for the first
time since twenty two that's significant, but the most I
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guess the most viral part of this game last night
was Atlanta Dreams. Ryan Howard confronted Caitlin Clark mid court
and gave a little shove, and then Kaitlin Clark looks
like she's saying, I'm not afraid of you.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
What do you mean to I'm not scared of you.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Honestly, this is kind of right of passage basketball whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
A punker, they're trying to punk her, and she's not
gonna let happen. She didn't play great, but that's what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
That's what all generations do to the young up and combers, right,
It's the uh was.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
It Cole Hamils who threw at somebody who's just like, yeah,
I just don't like the way he is approach I remember,
you know, it doesn't it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
It doesn't matter if you're the young up and coming
hitter who people like to buzz the tower, or if
you're the quarterback that guys you know, might might might
hit a little bit harder or hold that hold that
block a little bit longer in football whatever. Like, it's
kind of normal right of passage with with basketball and
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the other part too.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
It is again, this is where it's normal to me.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
I'm pretty sure people wear I am a white basketball
player from Orange County California when you would play LA teams,
doesn't have to be doesn't have to be black history,
white kids. Well, they would try and punk you because
you were from Orange County.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
You were seen as soft.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
She's you know, I don't think she's seen a soft,
but people are trying any anything they can.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
To rattle her.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
And I think that's what this was a case of
last night, just trying to rally young and trying to
physical up and it worked a limited success, but didn't
work overall as they lost the game.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
Final item here David Falk, For those that don't know,
he was a Michael Jordan's agent, a longtime agent out
of DC. But he looks like he's entered the hot
take space this week. Yes, his quote, his quote about
Lebron and the Goat conversation. I really like Lebron, but
I think if Jordan had cherry picked what teams he
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wanted to be on or to others with two other superstars,
he would have won fifteen championships. Mike dropped David Falk.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, that's a I guess that's a Mike drop. That's
a lot.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
I don't know about fifteen championships, but it is interesting
on how we sit here now and act like Michael
Jordan played on super teams. Okay, okay, if.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
We're honest with ourselves.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Michael Jordan's first championship team, they had Bill Cartwright.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
They traded Charles oakleyh for Bill carr Wright. Do you
know what Bill Cartwright's nickname was in New York? Jason
Stewart medical Bill Cartright. I thought you would have loved
you would.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Love that that that nick name.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
That's like right up your alley, medical Bill Cartwright. So
they had Bill cart Wright.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
They had John Paxson, Craig Hodges came out the bench.
They had a young Scottie Pippen, and Scotty Pippen became
an all time great player during his first championship run.
He went an all time great man. He was young,
and people had thought Scotty was was soft. Horace Grant
was their power forward. Right, that's their team.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
That's their team. He would look Longley at center.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
These are not great, all time great players. The point
is that you can say what some people will say, Hey,
Jordan played against the water Down League because.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
They had the expansion. It's not inaccurate.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
But he would also point out that let's not act
like Jordan's teammates were all time greats who he joined
in their prime to win a championship.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Scottie Pippen, you know, was slightly younger than him. They
grew up together, he became a great player. Robin had
been a great player elsewhere and joined them.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Other than that, there wasn't I mean, Ron Harper was
a shell of his former self since tearing his knee
when he was a great scorer in Cleveland. So I
actually agree with the sentiment of David Falk, even if
I don't really agree with the delivery of he went
fifteen titles. And clearly anytime you say no, I like Lebron,
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you know, that's like saying no disrespect and there's disrespect coming,
and that's uh Jason's store with the.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
News, well that's the news, and stubbing that's the herd
line news.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Hey, let's get another opinion here.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Mark Stein writes a substack called oh We're gonna get
Mark Stein the second, Gonna get Mark Stein a second? Yeah,
I mean, I actually enjoy those discussions about Jordan, just
because again I'm not trying to disrespect Jason McIntyre, but
j Max younger. He wasn't He and Nick Wright, they
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weren't really old enough to have lived through as basketball
people those eras. And you can quote stats all you want,
but when you've lived it, you understand it.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Now.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
You could point out that there were other teams that
weren't super teams as well, that's fine, you know.
Speaker 9 (21:52):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
You could point out that when they won their first title,
right that was after that was after Kareem had retired,
and it was kind of a new Laker team led
by Magic Johnson, but not one of the great ones.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
And they, you know, as much as we.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Want to say, he went through Charles Barkley, and Charles
Barkley's team was great. That was at the end of
the That was at the end of the three peat.
The point is that, I again, I don't know why
David Fall got into the hot take thing. And of
course he's supporting his guy, Michael Jordan, but he's not wrong.
Jordan's team wasn't a super team until after they won
all those games.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Mark Stein joins us.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Of course, he writes the steinlines the substack.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
I would encourage anybody who cares anything about basketball to
read the substack called the steinline because it's really good.
Mark joins us now in the Herd on Fox Sports Radio. Mark,
let me ask you about last night. How is Shay
viewed in the league as now? I think mainstream fandom
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is finally starting to watch his games, and some are
calling him the you know, a James Harden type of
foul merchant.
Speaker 9 (23:06):
Well, look, he won the MVP this week. They had
the ceremony before Game two, and I don't think he
could have delivered a better statement of validation about winning
that award. And look, it was not a unanimous vote.
It was pretty lopsided in his favor, but seventy nine
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in terms of first place vote for MVP. But I
think a lot of people who watched the league and
maybe even didn't have a vote, would would tell you that,
you know, it should have been Jokic, But I don't
think he could have been much more impressive. No, gets
the trophy and then goes out and backs it up
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with that kind of game. And look, it's in this postseason,
especially with all the comebacks we've seen. I don't think
we want to prematurely put the thought under in the
finals before they actually clinch it. But they just won
the first two games in really resounding fashion. And the
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way Shay Gildess Alexander has played in this series, and
the way his teammates all rally around him, support him,
fit next to him. They have a very good thing
going that. I think you would have to say he's
pretty much the envy of the league right now. Because remember,
this is still such a young team. I mean, Caruso
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is their oldest key contributor and he's thirty one. I mean,
this is this is just the beginning for what this team.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Is capable of.
Speaker 9 (24:39):
And right now, if you had to say, if you
had to pick a favorite to win the title from here,
it has to be the Thunders.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Okay, Anthony Edwards has struggled through two games. Let's assume
he has at least one really good game, but that
he struggles throughout the series. What do we do with
Anthony Edwards watching him struggle now deep in the playoffs.
Speaker 9 (25:05):
Look, I don't think we have to do anything. Maybe
that's just the way it is that people will change
the way they looked at him. Look, I've been a
big Timberwolves fan this season. I thought they were, outside
of Indiana, the most underrated team in the league. They
have not been able to show it in these first
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two games. They haven't been able to keep up with
the Thunder. Worse than that, they look like they're getting
frustrated by the Thunder. And again, two to oh is
not insurmountable, but NBA history tells us when you go
down two oh, it is really hard to come back
and win a seven game series. And the big concern
that I think everyone had about the Wolves coming into
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this series was would they be able to score against
this defense that it is considered the league's best and
the league's most versatile. And the Wolves are having all
the true that you know, their fans and their coaches,
their deepest fears are being realized in terms of trying
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to manufacture offense against this team. I mean, if that
held against Anthony Edwards, I mean, I heard you mentioning
Charles Barkley at the beginning, just before I came on,
as Charles Barkley always loves to tell us and remind
us the stars get all the blame and all the
credit in the NBA. That's always the way it is.
So I guess people will pin this on Anthony Edwards
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if the Wolves can't turn this series around but I
would also say the Wolves are in the conference finals
two years in a row. In the first thirty four
years of their franchise history, they did it once. And
in the first thirty four years of their franchise history,
they only won a series in the playoffs one. They
won two series the year that KG led them to
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the West Finals. That's it in terms of one series
for this franchise before these past two seasons. So again,
Anthony Edwards is still very very young, and you know,
if people want to change their opinion about him, go ahead.
But I think the Wolves are a good team that
is up against the team. Look if you look at
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what the Thunder did in the regular season, just if
you look at their point differential, it's the most impressive
point differential we've ever seen from a team in the
regular season, and all the teams they passed to the
top of that list one championships. So the Thunder are
supposed to be doing what they're doing in this series.
I actually was worried and they lost me a little
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bit struggling with such a limited Denver team, But they
have clearly used that experience and winning Game seven and
resounding fashion as a great springboard and made anybody who
doubted them, And I guess I have to throw myself
on that list look pretty dumb.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
How would you characterize the Pacers winning game one? Man?
Speaker 9 (28:01):
I mean, on one hand, you would say they've done
it multiple times in this postseason, but not like that.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
And.
Speaker 9 (28:10):
I mean a fourteen point deficit with less than three
minutes to go. It's just it's just unheard of. It
was unheard of when the Cavs had a seven point
lead with forty eight seconds to go and the Pacers
found a way to win that game. Now, it sure
did look it sure did look like Caliburton got away
with something on that on the on the on the
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build up to his three. But man, that that's just
set the comeback for the Ages. I don't know if
we've ever seen anything quite like that.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
And nine with fifty one second two seconds ago, I've
never I've never never seen that.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
How did you mix?
Speaker 9 (28:50):
You tell me as a coach.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I'm just gonna it was we dropped one last game
of the year. It was fourteen, but it was less
than it was more admitutes. It was four in change
or five and change or something up five with eighteen
seconds to go and they shoot airball, kick it out,
make a three, they press us, We go along, try
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to get a dunk, they foul us, make one out
of two, we foul up three.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
They get a.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Rebound on unintentionally misfree throw and put it in, and
we lose in overtime.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
So I've seen it.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
I just think the I think the Nie Smith threes
and the fact that the Knicks seem to kind of
fall asleep there right. They were you know, like og
and Andobi like didn't even close out on two of
those threes, and you're like, all right, I mean, I
guess the game's over, but it wasn't. So the question is,
you know, it's it's like Boston, Hey, you did enough
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to be up fourteen with under four to go, So
you played better, you looked better. But what's the likelihood
that they bounce back from that sort of devastation.
Speaker 9 (29:57):
Look, I think our instinct when a team loses a
game like that is to write them off and say, okay, there,
you know they'll never recover from that. That is just
such that loss leave such a scar that they will
be impossible to recover from. The Only consolation that the
Knicks can point to at this point is that it's
so early in the series, and you know, they've had
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a great postseason run. But look, I mean they they
have to win this series to kind of validate their run.
I mean, look, they were tremendous the game the Tapes
suffered the just horrendous Achilles rupture. I mean, the Knicks
run their way to winning that or that injury happened,
so they would have gone up three to one anyway,
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maybe from that position, even if Tatum, even if that
doesn't happen, maybe the Knicks win the series anyway. So
they took out the defending champ. But they are you know,
they will be. I mean, if they are down now,
I can't imagine where they'll be if they actually lose
this series and this opportunity to get to the NBA Finals.
We obviously everybody knows this is a franchise that's been
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deperate to win for more than fifty years. But look,
Indiana has been a lights out team since January one.
I mean, if you look at records since the calendar
flipped to twenty twenty five, even before these playoffs, record wise,
the Pacers were right there with the three sixty one teams.
I mean, they have been a different team, and they
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have been a top five team in the league since
January first, and in the playoffs have only gotten better
with this repeated ability to win games that NBA history
and NBA map tell us they should not be winning.
I mean I thought coming in, I actually picked the
Pacers going into the series because Brunson, to me, is
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the best player in this series. He is the best
player left in the East. But I just think the
Pacers have a more well rounded team and that I
mean to see, it's going to be fascinating to see
just psychologically how they.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
F I think that, Yeah, the psychology is the most
most interesting part.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Let me go around the league really quickly. So, uh
is Yanna staying? Is that we do? We know he
wants to stay.
Speaker 9 (32:17):
For sure, we still don't have a firm indication on
what he wants around the league. I think everyone is
still expecting him to say that he wants a trade.
But to be clear, that has not happened to our
knowledge and the Bucks throughout this process. No matter what
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the rest of the league is hoping for, the Bucks
have clung to hope that Jana's very deep ties to
Milwaukee's been there twelve years. I mean, that's what's crazy.
It's it's hard to believe that Yannis is already thirty
and has been a Buck for twelve seasons. I mean,
it's it's it's crazy how sad this stuff goes. I mean, so, look,
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the league is wishing, hoping and praying for one thing.
We're all waiting for a firm declaration, but to this
point we don't have it. And it does kind of
hold things up because if he comes on, your teams
want to be ready for whenever it is that he
theoretically could emerge as a trade target. And I think
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even as as good as Kevin Durant is, and we're
talking about a future Hall of Famer, I think even
Kevin Durant's trade prospects will will be you know, the
Yanna situation has to play out first.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
What about the Celtics.
Speaker 9 (33:44):
They have incredibly tough decisions financially. The expectations certainly is
that they're going to be active to some degree because
obviously they're not going to have Tatum next season, or
if they do, it's going to be very very late
in the season. And so had they won again, okay,
had they won again, you could say, all right, it's
going to be five hundred million to keep this team
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together for one more year. But if you've won two
titles in a row, you can talk yourself into okay,
we just have to deal with that payroll in luxury
tax check those figures. But if you're not gonna have
Tatum for a year, they have to shed payroll and
the two contracts that everyone is looking at around the league.
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Porzingis has an expiring deal next season. It's almost thirty
one million. Drew Holliday has three years and more than
one hundred million left on his deal. I mean, we
reported this week on my substat Jake Fisher, who writes
twice a week for me, you know, he reported this
that the buzz around the league is already that Boston
might have to attach something as a trade sweetener to
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move off true Holiday's contract. Because as good as Drew
Holliday is, as proven as he is as a title make,
title winning difference maker with two different teams, he's part
of title teams in Milwaukee and Boston. But at his
age and with the number that is still left on
his deal, Boston might have to attach something to move
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off that salary, which makes it even less palatable for
the Celtics. So there's no question that on your list
of things to keep track of the summer, I think
it starts with be honest, Durant, but Boston and what
they do, it's certainly up there.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Did did the draft lottery? Savenko?
Speaker 9 (35:28):
It does appear in the short term that it has.
There's been no indication of any looming change. The Mavericks
are going to draft Cooper Flag, There's no doubt about that,
and so you know, it's it is, it is all.
It is still in Dallas a weird vibe because they're
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obviously fans are obviously happy beyond belief to win the
lottery a franchise that has never even moved up in
the lottery and knows nothing but draft lottery misery. There's
undeniably happiness and joy and relief to have something good
happen after three rough months, but there is still a
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lot of anger and dismay with the franchise, not just
training Luca Dante Chaway, but the way that it went down.
So look, I can't wait for Summer League like I'm
gonna It's can be really interesting to me just to
kind of see what the reaction is from the fans
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when you know Cooper Flag is playing. You know, maybe
you know, I think Wemby played two games when he
when he came into Summer League, So you'd like to
think Cooper Flag will play a game or two for
the Maverick Summer League team. Like there will be a
lot of excitement, but you know, it's still a fan
base going through it on a lot of levels.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Mark, get the best, Bud. Really appreciate you join us.
Look forward to reading your next substack. It's called the Signline.
Check it out on substack. Mark, thanks so much for
joining us on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (37:03):
Sounds good talk soon.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
All right, that's the one and only other cal State
Farton Titan on the radio today. Mark Stein, longtime NBA
reporter and insider, come out next time. Doug Gottliebin for
Colin Cowherd.
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Welcome in Hope.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
You're getting ready to have a great Memorial Day weekend,
great One Day weekend.
Speaker 3 (38:34):
Before he gets you.
Speaker 4 (38:35):
Ready for our best ever, let me play for you.
This is Brock Purty go to sign his new contract
last week. Here's Brock Purtty on KNBR in San Francisco.
He had this to say, are you a top ten
quarterback in the NFL? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (38:48):
No, I think for sure I'm a top ten quarterback.
You know, I'll leave it at that. I'm not gonna,
you know, create a list or anything right now.
Speaker 3 (38:55):
Okay, so let's create a list with our best for last.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't
mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind the very
last segment. It's time for best for Last.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Okay, So we're taking this from Pro Football Focus PFF.
They have their first year quarterbacks as Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar Jackson,
Josh Allen. Okay, so that that doesn't include Jalen Hurts,
who just won a Super Bowl, played well in both
Super Bowls that.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
He was in.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
But I think it's fair to go, Hey, he's benefited
from great defense great running game for some reason again,
and maybe this is something we need to change because
it's it's even part of my own evaluation. We and
I when I say we, I say most people who
are yackers not necessarily NFL analysts.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
And I think NFL anaists are probably guilty of this,
but I don't want to lump them on there.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
I think we do a bad job of not allowing
rushing plays and rushing yards to be part of the decision,
right because again we've all been told, hey, if you
want to win Super Bowl, you got to win it
from the pocket.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
You do, but you don't anyway.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
PFF has high end starters as Dalen Hurts, Jade Daniels,
Matt Stafford, Justin Herbert. Okay, this is your top eight
if you will. And now is when it gets interesting.
They put Jared Goff in there. In there solid starters
who have flashed high end play Jared Goff, Gino Smith,
Brock Purdy as that group, and then solid starters but
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they need more help Jordan Love, Baker Mayfield, c J. Stroud,
Caller Murray, and Trevor Lawrence. So those are your top
sixteen quarterbacks in the NFL. And I think most of
us would go like, yeah, I'm okay. If you take
Geno out of there, right, that would put bert That
would put Bertie squarely at ten.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Now, if you said Jordan Love has.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Maybe more talent, sure, but he turns the ball over
more touchdowns, but more interceptions. Cayler Murray scrambles around, runs around,
and has a better arm than Purdy, but doesn't make
better decisions. Baker Mayfield also got a small or whatever
coming off a great year.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
CJ. Stratt had a great year in a bad year.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
I think Purdy is one of those guys where we
talk so much about tangibles, tangibles, how big you are,
how strong your arm is. He is a guy who
is intangibles are stronger than its tangibles. But the tangibles
aren't so bad that you can't throw football.
Speaker 11 (41:28):
You know.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
It's not like Tim Tebow. It's just when they have
guys go that are injured. He doesn't seem like nearly
the same guy. If you're gonna ask me, is the
top ten quarterback? I would say probably not. Is he
good enough to win with the answer is yes? And
while I think most of us are like, that's a
lot of money for brock Purty. The general thought in
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the NFL is a w you knows better than the devil,
you don't. If you got one, lock him in, keep
him as long as you can, because they're just really.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Hard to find, really hard to find. Uh beach or
or lake this weekend? Jays to beat your lake this weekend?
Speaker 8 (42:10):
Oh man, I steer clear of anything with sand. I
live in the wrong part of the world. I don't
do sand, I don't do sun. But I guess if
you're giving me a binary choice, I'll always take beach ocean.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
You're gonna do it your I sense a hike in
your future.
Speaker 8 (42:28):
Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I like that, smoking, smoking hot girlfriend's gonna make you
take take a hike.
Speaker 8 (42:33):
I love them.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yeah, Ryan, beat your lake.
Speaker 8 (42:38):
Uh, I find to choose. I choose probably like a lake.
I'm kind of anti social, but I'll probably go on
a hike. I like being by myself.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
There you go, there you go, we can well. I mean,
you can be anti social in any of these two places.
Usually la like, though you go with friends. You know,
you go tie the boats out places. There are places
where the water is still not totally warm yet in
those lakes, but quickly becoming more lake, although there is
nothing like the beach. Again, I think the problem with
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both of these places is it's not the beach of
the lake, it's the people. If you're there and the
wrong people show off at the beach, you're like, yee,
you get there at the lake and somebody just goes
running by with the cigarette boat and and and they're
causing wakes when they shouldn't they yeeche. We'll see if
the Knicks got any bounce back to him after that.
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Just horrific way of losing a game. From my experience
at the college level, when you lose one like that,
it does have a tendency to beat you for half
of the second game as well. So wouldn't surprise me
if the Pacers lead at the half. And we'll see
if the next wake up. And for Oklahoma City winning
last night, like again, I don't love the foul merchant Tree,
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but they're winning because their defense and they seem to
like each other.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
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We got about an hour left till my show, Doug
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Speaker 4 (00:43):
Let's get into last night's game, because you know, the
Knicks take the floor tonight after what was an absolute
epic and complete choke chob and And again I don't Colin,
it was. Colin has is brilliant in the simplicity of
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how he does what he does. And I don't think
that Colin takes a cue from anybody and decides to
be a contrarian. I am the same. If I'm a contrarian,
it's because I have a contrary opinion, not because I'm
a contrarian. But Colin is the guy who yesterday said
what you heard on the intro? Hey man, the Knicks
(01:26):
just made a bunch of shots. I mean, the Pacers
just made a bunch of shots. Nicks didn't play poorly, like, yeah,
they missed two free throws, they turned the basketball over,
and they didn't defend Aaron Smith for several of those shots,
Like you can't allow a great catch and shoe shooter
to get open catch and shoot shots on little handoffs
(01:46):
and not be there Like, yeah, they choked that one.
Is any choke helped by great plays?
Speaker 3 (01:53):
Yeah? Or any great.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
Comeback help by chokes? Yes, they do work in concert
with each other. So we'll get to to foreshadowing forecasting
for that game. Let's look back at last night last night,
Oklahoma City. So game one, the Wolves lead at the
half and in the second half completely different.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Shaye Guilda, Alexander.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
Anthony Edwards doesn't score a point in the fourth quarter,
and what they will They trailed a half or run
the second half and the game was over. Yesterday was
obviously a celebration of Shae Gildas Alexander getting receiving his
MVP award before the game. And here's here's Shay talking
(02:39):
about balancing fun and competing.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
We just prioritize what matters, and like we've come to
realize that you win games and all that other stuff
comes after. And it's you guys saw it last night
with myself and uh Lou and Dove today, getting a
recognition when you win games and you do it together
and you have fun out there, everything else, all the
individual stuff you want, it comes with it, but it
starts with taking care of business a basketball court, and
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we know that.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Here's Mark Dagnaut, who's their head coach, talking about Shay's
impact on the game.
Speaker 6 (03:07):
And I thought he led tonight just with his approach
and his force and his blend. You know, he threw
great passes down the stretch, you know the attacks Nick
was talking about. You know, I thought he had good
blend of attacks and early passes and he kept the
scoreboard moving for us down the stretch.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Here's Chris Finch, Wolves head coach talking about the difficulty
in scheming against the MVP.
Speaker 7 (03:27):
Yeah, obviously, you know, Shay's a handful to contain. You know,
he's getting around us to you know, to when there's contact.
He's getting around us, and you know, we gotta do
a better job of square on him.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
Squareing, I mean, got to keep him in front. Once
he gets on your hip, that's once you get he
gets you on his hip, that's when he can glean India,
cut off angles, make you foul him, throw his hands up,
heads back, throw the ball up and or just you know,
pivot and you go kind of flying by like he's
amazing at his use of angles. There's a little James
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Harden in terms of his foul merchantry. There's a little
Kobe Bryant in terms of his footwork and understanding of
angles and cutting into guys. There's a lot. There's also
a lot of Kobe in terms of the footwork as well,
like the pivoting it there's parts of it which are
incredible to watch. It's just hard with him falling out
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all the time. And what I think is sort of
missing one is defensively, how the Thunder are scheming, where
they're playing much more of a college style. It's called
you know, they're just loading to the ball, which means
they're over into the gaps, deep into the gaps, and
the help daring you not just to make that easy
pass next to you. That pass doesn't really, but daring
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you to get a dribble and then skip that ball
to the weak side corner of the weak side low
wing right where now all of a sudden you have
a harder close out. And the counter last night for
the Wolves was they put Anthony Edwards in the post,
which helps.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Somebody's not really a post. It's not really what he does.
Speaker 4 (05:01):
He's a downhill attack guy, which means you have to
skip the ball to him and then let him get
downhill attack and then give him the answers, knowing where
the questions are going.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
To be posed to him.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
But I think the bigger thing is that there's nothing
unlikable about the Oklahoma City thunder Right, There's nothing really
unlikable about them. I mean, tell me what it is.
They've put together this team. You know, Shay was a big.
Speaker 3 (05:30):
Piece, but just a piece of the Paul George trade.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
You know, they've drafted well, they developed, They've added some
really smart pieces, but nobody crazy. They obviously value Alex Caruso,
who helped the Lakers win a championship and then was
just mired in difficult seasons with the Chicago Bulls, and
he's become kind of their defensive energy and stalwart here
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in the playoffs.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Plus he's got that championship experience.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
They doesn't not the like It's just it's not a
great watch when the best player is constantly falling down
and constantly drawing fouls constantly. And the difference is probably
that we see it more clearly now.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
It's it's a lot like officiating.
Speaker 4 (06:19):
Like people can say officiating is worse now than it's
ever been, But what's the reality to it. The reality
to it is we see the calls way more clearly now.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
You know, you remember the first time you watched HDTV.
You just remember that.
Speaker 4 (06:32):
Remember when when I think it was ESPN was like
the first sports network. I was working there at the time,
and they came out with with ESPN HT and you
flip overre like, man, that looks so much better.
Speaker 3 (06:42):
You go back to standard death.
Speaker 4 (06:43):
You're like, how did we survive on this for e
fifty forty years? And with that with the much better technology,
more cameras, more slow mo, You're like, even that.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
Have you guys seen the.
Speaker 4 (06:59):
Replay of the Haliburton three where he dribbles It looks
like he was grabbed twice, but then he double dribbles
and then back dribbles back for a three like even.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
That those are three things I didn't know happened.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
If not for that slow motion and camera angle, I
had no idea, and I was watching the game in
real time didn't think anything of it. So I bring
that up to point out that it's not that guys
didn't draw fowls before. Michael Jordan drew a ton of fowls,
Magic Johnson drew a ton of fouls, Larry Bird drew
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a ton of fowls. It's that it's one thing to
draw fowls, to draw contact, to jump into guys, to
absorb contact on drives, to get smacked on drives, it's
a whole thing to grab somebody else's arm, lock it
in with your arm, and then as you go to shoot,
throw up your arm, which is then contacted by his
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arm because it's stuck kind of in your bread basket,
if you will, and get fouled. Like that's free throw
merchant tree free throw artistry that no one has seen
at this level, and it's way way, way more obvious
now with replays with the best of the best of
the cameras, with all the different camera angles now you're like, yeah,
(08:17):
this is hard to watch, hard to watch and foundom
vowles have occurred for years, years, years, but now it's
just way more obvious. And it takes a really likable
bunch that honestly is winning because their defense more their offense,
that seems to like each other. This seems to not
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take life all that seriously. Like they check the boxes
for all the things you want, but their best player
constantly falling down and ending up with the free throw line.
Speaker 3 (08:46):
It's just one of those like, yeah, I get it,
but I don't love it. I don't love it. I
don't love it.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
You know, we do have a sense of like manliness
with our drives and our fouls and the sense that
like playoff fowls. But I mean we went from Harden
constantly throwing his head back and getting calls and not
getting them in the playoffs to shake Gilds as Alexander
literally cutting in front of people, purposely tangling their legs,
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falling down, locking in their arms, drawing vowls, and us
getting annoyed by it.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
It's this is all new, right.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
This is his first time being the MVP, this is
their first time in the conference finals with this group.
All of this is new, and yet I would guess
that this is going to be in addition to the
fact that it's Oklahoma City, it's just not.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
That great a watch.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
It's just not that great a watch. Whereas the Pacers
Knicks series, and this is even before the Pacers came
back and won. Just the way in which the Pacer play,
the frenetic pace, the number of possessions and fewer fowls
because of you know, foul merchant try and don't get
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me wrong, Jalen Brunson, he draws a lot of fowls.
He does bang into guys and fallover. He doesn't do
the lock in arms the way that Shay Gildess Alexander does.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
But that a better watching product. That's a better product.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
So you can hear what Chris Finch is saying, Hey,
don't gets you on his hip, keep him in front,
square them up. They can't call fowls that way. But
it's frustrating, and his head coach saying, look, the best
thing he did was past night. But I would say
that that Shay is you know, the bigger the stage,
the better he's got to play. But the more obvious
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it's going to be that. So much of his success
is based upon his ability to get to the free
tow line. That has to be a benefit of how
good you are. Not you can't benefit from the freeth
of line to be that good. I think that's the thing.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
There's where the disconnect is. He's great at.
Speaker 4 (11:11):
What he does, and he seems like an awesome dude,
But as somebody who coaches and has watched and evaluated
basketball for twenty five years.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
Yeah, it's a hard one to watch.
Speaker 4 (11:23):
And again, like we when we're recruiting, we like that
volume of free throws. You get in there and do
you avoid or do you go to contact. There's a
difference in going to contact and creating artificial contact in
order there be any contact to get a foul.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
That's where you kind of draw the line, all right.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
Coming up next to in the heard, I'm Doug Gottlieb.
When someone is waiting on you and they say we'll
wait a little longer, how do you react? More importantly,
how will Aaron Rodgers react? We'll discuss next in The Herd.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and Noone Easter non a em Pacific on Fox sports
Radio best one and the iHeartRadio app. Doug Gottli've been
for Colin. It's the hurt Fox Sports Radio iHeartRadio app.
Mark Stein's going to join us. Uh after we get
to Herdline news.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Of course, long time NBA reporter and Inside republishes a
substack called the Steinline. We'll get to get to that upcoming. Uh,
JASEU what what up and down?
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Day is? Night? Black is white?
Speaker 4 (12:25):
The Angels have won seven games in a row, including
sweeping your Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
That is that?
Speaker 4 (12:30):
Is that what's happened here in baseball? I mean that's
is that our that our baseball update? That makes no
sense at all that it happened.
Speaker 8 (12:37):
And Uh, Angels are kind of having a weird season, right.
They started off hot. I want to say they were
in first place after a couple of weeks. Then they
then they played like the Angels and then yeah, they
lose trout and they won seven in a row, including
sweeping the Dodgers. I think Dodger fans could take solace
that Will will likely won back to back championships, but uh,
losing three in a row the Angels, that's a tough total.
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Swallow him.
Speaker 4 (13:00):
It's got to be a tep fell as fault and
then the Rockies are a team again. I challenge people
to name a current Colorado Rocky. They're off to the
worst start in the history of baseball through fifty games, right,
they won eight, eight and forty two.
Speaker 8 (13:17):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (13:20):
And imagine being a Rockies fan, like.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Can't imagine this one. I can't imagine this one. This one,
I can imagine it. It's like imagine, no, no, no, don't
have to imagine. I know the feeling.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
It sucks.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
And again, I don't think they were designed to be good,
but I'm sure there's some of that.
Speaker 3 (13:40):
When things go wrong, they just all go wrong. It
was like, ah, I just get it all in right.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Just but man, you're talking historically bad with I mean,
it's like baseball, it should even out. You should be
at least decent, you know, win one game in a
series where they don't take it seriously. But that's a
considering the consistency that the Rockies had in terms of
success once they kind of figured it out, to now
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being just dormant in terms of success in the last
five or so years.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
All right, Mark Stein.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
In the second we'll also talk some brock perty later
on the show.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
But let's get to herd Line news.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
No, no, no, the news.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
This is the Herdline News. Doug.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Steelers owner Art Rooney must be sick of this question.
Remember back in April when he was asked about Aaron Rodgers,
he said that the team would would quote not wait forever.
So recently he was asked by ESPN, same question, and
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Art Rooney says, we'll wait a little longer, a little
while longer. Now, how do you have What do we
do with this? Because I think Mark Dominic last hour
just told you that you want Rogers around for OTA's
I think that's a start in June fifth. So what
transpires here over the next five days.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
I mean it's just got to be like are you coming?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
You know, it's the invite to the party that you
had to invite somebody because they are the life of
the party, or they used to be the life of
the party.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
And he got invited.
Speaker 4 (15:25):
If you don't invite him, they're like, I'll let you know,
I got a really busy schedule. I just for an
organization like the Steelers that I think partly trade away
George Pickens because they didn't like entitlement. They wanted guys
that are more part of the team, more part of
culture to wait on Aaron Rodgers. And I'm not somebody
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who tells you that Aaron Rodgers is terrible for the culture,
but just the way in which he's handling it where
a lack of decisiveness and not hey, I'm gonna be
a Steeler.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
I just I'm gonna be there when I'm there, you
know whatever.
Speaker 4 (15:59):
It's just just very anti Steeler and it just shows
their desperation for a quarterback, especially one who, even at
the end of his career, liked like an Aaron Rodgers
in comparison to what they've been thrown out there.
Speaker 8 (16:11):
I want to give Kaitlyn Clark credit here. She is
so relevant that she has risen to the level of
being an item on Herdline News. Last night, the Fever
went into Atlanta and spoiled their home opener. I know
most people don't care about that part. Caitlyn Clark win
an entire game without making a three for the first
time since twenty two that's significant, but the most I
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guess the most viral part of this game last night
was Atlanta Dreams. Ryan Howard confronted Caitlin Clark mid court
and gave a little shove, and then Kaitlin Clark looks
like she's saying, I'm not afraid of you.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
What do you mean to I'm not scared of you.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Honestly, this is kind of right of passage basketball whatever.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
A punker, they're trying to punk her, and she's not
gonna let happen. She didn't play great, but that's what
I mean.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
That's what all generations do to the young up and combers, right,
It's the uh was.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
It Cole Hamils who threw at somebody who's just like, yeah,
I just don't like the way he is approach I remember,
you know, it doesn't it doesn't.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
It doesn't matter if you're the young up and coming
hitter who people like to buzz the tower, or if
you're the quarterback that guys you know, might might might
hit a little bit harder or hold that hold that
block a little bit longer in football whatever. Like, it's
kind of normal right of passage with with basketball and
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the other part too.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
It is again, this is where it's normal to me.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
I'm pretty sure people wear I am a white basketball
player from Orange County California when you would play LA teams,
doesn't have to be doesn't have to be black history,
white kids. Well, they would try and punk you because
you were from Orange County.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
You were seen as soft.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
She's you know, I don't think she's seen a soft,
but people are trying any anything they can.
Speaker 3 (18:11):
To rattle her.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
And I think that's what this was a case of
last night, just trying to rally young and trying to
physical up and it worked a limited success, but didn't
work overall as they lost the game.
Speaker 8 (18:25):
Final item here David Falk, For those that don't know,
he was a Michael Jordan's agent, a longtime agent out
of DC. But he looks like he's entered the hot
take space this week. Yes, his quote, his quote about
Lebron and the Goat conversation. I really like Lebron, but
I think if Jordan had cherry picked what teams he
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wanted to be on or to others with two other superstars,
he would have won fifteen championships. Mike dropped David Falk.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
Yeah, that's a I guess that's a Mike drop. That's
a lot.
Speaker 4 (19:02):
I don't know about fifteen championships, but it is interesting
on how we sit here now and act like Michael
Jordan played on super teams. Okay, okay, if.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
We're honest with ourselves.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Michael Jordan's first championship team, they had Bill Cartwright.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
They traded Charles oakleyh for Bill carr Wright. Do you
know what Bill Cartwright's nickname was in New York? Jason
Stewart medical Bill Cartright. I thought you would have loved
you would.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
Love that that that nick name.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
That's like right up your alley, medical Bill Cartwright. So
they had Bill cart Wright.
Speaker 4 (19:40):
They had John Paxson, Craig Hodges came out the bench.
They had a young Scottie Pippen, and Scotty Pippen became
an all time great player during his first championship run.
He went an all time great man. He was young,
and people had thought Scotty was was soft. Horace Grant
was their power forward. Right, that's their team.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
That's their team. He would look Longley at center.
Speaker 4 (20:01):
These are not great, all time great players. The point
is that you can say what some people will say, Hey,
Jordan played against the water Down League because.
Speaker 3 (20:13):
They had the expansion. It's not inaccurate.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
But he would also point out that let's not act
like Jordan's teammates were all time greats who he joined
in their prime to win a championship.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Scottie Pippen, you know, was slightly younger than him. They
grew up together, he became a great player. Robin had
been a great player elsewhere and joined them.
Speaker 4 (20:36):
Other than that, there wasn't I mean, Ron Harper was
a shell of his former self since tearing his knee
when he was a great scorer in Cleveland. So I
actually agree with the sentiment of David Falk, even if
I don't really agree with the delivery of he went
fifteen titles. And clearly anytime you say no, I like Lebron,
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you know, that's like saying no disrespect and there's disrespect coming,
and that's uh Jason's store with the.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
News, well that's the news, and stubbing that's the herd
line news.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Hey, let's get another opinion here.
Speaker 4 (21:12):
Mark Stein writes a substack called oh We're gonna get
Mark Stein the second, Gonna get Mark Stein a second? Yeah,
I mean, I actually enjoy those discussions about Jordan, just
because again I'm not trying to disrespect Jason McIntyre, but
j Max younger. He wasn't He and Nick Wright, they
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weren't really old enough to have lived through as basketball
people those eras. And you can quote stats all you want,
but when you've lived it, you understand it.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Now.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
You could point out that there were other teams that
weren't super teams as well, that's fine, you know.
Speaker 9 (21:52):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (21:52):
You could point out that when they won their first title,
right that was after that was after Kareem had retired,
and it was kind of a new Laker team led
by Magic Johnson, but not one of the great ones.
Speaker 3 (22:08):
And they, you know, as much as we.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
Want to say, he went through Charles Barkley, and Charles
Barkley's team was great. That was at the end of
the That was at the end of the three peat.
The point is that, I again, I don't know why
David Fall got into the hot take thing. And of
course he's supporting his guy, Michael Jordan, but he's not wrong.
Jordan's team wasn't a super team until after they won
all those games.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Mark Stein joins us.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Of course, he writes the steinlines the substack.
Speaker 4 (22:34):
I would encourage anybody who cares anything about basketball to
read the substack called the steinline because it's really good.
Mark joins us now in the Herd on Fox Sports Radio. Mark,
let me ask you about last night. How is Shay
viewed in the league as now? I think mainstream fandom
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is finally starting to watch his games, and some are
calling him the you know, a James Harden type of
foul merchant.
Speaker 9 (23:06):
Well, look, he won the MVP this week. They had
the ceremony before Game two, and I don't think he
could have delivered a better statement of validation about winning
that award. And look, it was not a unanimous vote.
It was pretty lopsided in his favor, but seventy nine
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in terms of first place vote for MVP. But I
think a lot of people who watched the league and
maybe even didn't have a vote, would would tell you that,
you know, it should have been Jokic, But I don't
think he could have been much more impressive. No, gets
the trophy and then goes out and backs it up
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with that kind of game. And look, it's in this postseason,
especially with all the comebacks we've seen. I don't think
we want to prematurely put the thought under in the
finals before they actually clinch it. But they just won
the first two games in really resounding fashion. And the
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way Shay Gildess Alexander has played in this series, and
the way his teammates all rally around him, support him,
fit next to him. They have a very good thing
going that. I think you would have to say he's
pretty much the envy of the league right now. Because remember,
this is still such a young team. I mean, Caruso
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is their oldest key contributor and he's thirty one. I mean,
this is this is just the beginning for what this team.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Is capable of.
Speaker 9 (24:39):
And right now, if you had to say, if you
had to pick a favorite to win the title from here,
it has to be the Thunders.
Speaker 4 (24:47):
Okay, Anthony Edwards has struggled through two games. Let's assume
he has at least one really good game, but that
he struggles throughout the series. What do we do with
Anthony Edwards watching him struggle now deep in the playoffs.
Speaker 9 (25:05):
Look, I don't think we have to do anything. Maybe
that's just the way it is that people will change
the way they looked at him. Look, I've been a
big Timberwolves fan this season. I thought they were, outside
of Indiana, the most underrated team in the league. They
have not been able to show it in these first
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two games. They haven't been able to keep up with
the Thunder. Worse than that, they look like they're getting
frustrated by the Thunder. And again, two to oh is
not insurmountable, but NBA history tells us when you go
down two oh, it is really hard to come back
and win a seven game series. And the big concern
that I think everyone had about the Wolves coming into
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this series was would they be able to score against
this defense that it is considered the league's best and
the league's most versatile. And the Wolves are having all
the true that you know, their fans and their coaches,
their deepest fears are being realized in terms of trying
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to manufacture offense against this team. I mean, if that
held against Anthony Edwards, I mean, I heard you mentioning
Charles Barkley at the beginning, just before I came on,
as Charles Barkley always loves to tell us and remind
us the stars get all the blame and all the
credit in the NBA. That's always the way it is.
So I guess people will pin this on Anthony Edwards
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if the Wolves can't turn this series around but I
would also say the Wolves are in the conference finals
two years in a row. In the first thirty four
years of their franchise history, they did it once. And
in the first thirty four years of their franchise history,
they only won a series in the playoffs one. They
won two series the year that KG led them to
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the West Finals. That's it in terms of one series
for this franchise before these past two seasons. So again,
Anthony Edwards is still very very young, and you know,
if people want to change their opinion about him, go ahead.
But I think the Wolves are a good team that
is up against the team. Look if you look at
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what the Thunder did in the regular season, just if
you look at their point differential, it's the most impressive
point differential we've ever seen from a team in the
regular season, and all the teams they passed to the
top of that list one championships. So the Thunder are
supposed to be doing what they're doing in this series.
I actually was worried and they lost me a little
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bit struggling with such a limited Denver team, But they
have clearly used that experience and winning Game seven and
resounding fashion as a great springboard and made anybody who
doubted them, And I guess I have to throw myself
on that list look pretty dumb.
Speaker 3 (27:54):
How would you characterize the Pacers winning game one? Man?
Speaker 9 (28:01):
I mean, on one hand, you would say they've done
it multiple times in this postseason, but not like that.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
And.
Speaker 9 (28:10):
I mean a fourteen point deficit with less than three
minutes to go. It's just it's just unheard of. It
was unheard of when the Cavs had a seven point
lead with forty eight seconds to go and the Pacers
found a way to win that game. Now, it sure
did look it sure did look like Caliburton got away
with something on that on the on the on the
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build up to his three. But man, that that's just
set the comeback for the Ages. I don't know if
we've ever seen anything quite like that.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
And nine with fifty one second two seconds ago, I've
never I've never never seen that.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
How did you mix?
Speaker 9 (28:50):
You tell me as a coach.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
I'm just gonna it was we dropped one last game
of the year. It was fourteen, but it was less
than it was more admitutes. It was four in change
or five and change or something up five with eighteen
seconds to go and they shoot airball, kick it out,
make a three, they press us, We go along, try
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to get a dunk, they foul us, make one out
of two, we foul up three.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
They get a.
Speaker 4 (29:19):
Rebound on unintentionally misfree throw and put it in, and
we lose in overtime.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
So I've seen it.
Speaker 4 (29:24):
I just think the I think the Nie Smith threes
and the fact that the Knicks seem to kind of
fall asleep there right. They were you know, like og
and Andobi like didn't even close out on two of
those threes, and you're like, all right, I mean, I
guess the game's over, but it wasn't. So the question is,
you know, it's it's like Boston, Hey, you did enough
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to be up fourteen with under four to go, So
you played better, you looked better. But what's the likelihood
that they bounce back from that sort of devastation.
Speaker 9 (29:57):
Look, I think our instinct when a team loses a
game like that is to write them off and say, okay, there,
you know they'll never recover from that. That is just
such that loss leave such a scar that they will
be impossible to recover from. The Only consolation that the
Knicks can point to at this point is that it's
so early in the series, and you know, they've had
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a great postseason run. But look, I mean they they
have to win this series to kind of validate their run.
I mean, look, they were tremendous the game the Tapes
suffered the just horrendous Achilles rupture. I mean, the Knicks
run their way to winning that or that injury happened,
so they would have gone up three to one anyway,
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maybe from that position, even if Tatum, even if that
doesn't happen, maybe the Knicks win the series anyway. So
they took out the defending champ. But they are you know,
they will be. I mean, if they are down now,
I can't imagine where they'll be if they actually lose
this series and this opportunity to get to the NBA Finals.
We obviously everybody knows this is a franchise that's been
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deperate to win for more than fifty years. But look,
Indiana has been a lights out team since January one.
I mean, if you look at records since the calendar
flipped to twenty twenty five, even before these playoffs, record wise,
the Pacers were right there with the three sixty one teams.
I mean, they have been a different team, and they
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have been a top five team in the league since
January first, and in the playoffs have only gotten better
with this repeated ability to win games that NBA history
and NBA map tell us they should not be winning.
I mean I thought coming in, I actually picked the
Pacers going into the series because Brunson, to me, is
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the best player in this series. He is the best
player left in the East. But I just think the
Pacers have a more well rounded team and that I
mean to see, it's going to be fascinating to see
just psychologically how they.
Speaker 4 (32:05):
F I think that, Yeah, the psychology is the most
most interesting part.
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Let me go around the league really quickly. So, uh
is Yanna staying? Is that we do? We know he
wants to stay.
Speaker 9 (32:17):
For sure, we still don't have a firm indication on
what he wants around the league. I think everyone is
still expecting him to say that he wants a trade.
But to be clear, that has not happened to our
knowledge and the Bucks throughout this process. No matter what
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the rest of the league is hoping for, the Bucks
have clung to hope that Jana's very deep ties to
Milwaukee's been there twelve years. I mean, that's what's crazy.
It's it's hard to believe that Yannis is already thirty
and has been a Buck for twelve seasons. I mean,
it's it's it's crazy how sad this stuff goes. I mean, so, look,
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the league is wishing, hoping and praying for one thing.
We're all waiting for a firm declaration, but to this
point we don't have it. And it does kind of
hold things up because if he comes on, your teams
want to be ready for whenever it is that he
theoretically could emerge as a trade target. And I think
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even as as good as Kevin Durant is, and we're
talking about a future Hall of Famer, I think even
Kevin Durant's trade prospects will will be you know, the
Yanna situation has to play out first.
Speaker 3 (33:41):
What about the Celtics.
Speaker 9 (33:44):
They have incredibly tough decisions financially. The expectations certainly is
that they're going to be active to some degree because
obviously they're not going to have Tatum next season, or
if they do, it's going to be very very late
in the season. And so had they won again, okay,
had they won again, you could say, all right, it's
going to be five hundred million to keep this team
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together for one more year. But if you've won two
titles in a row, you can talk yourself into okay,
we just have to deal with that payroll in luxury
tax check those figures. But if you're not gonna have
Tatum for a year, they have to shed payroll and
the two contracts that everyone is looking at around the league.
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Porzingis has an expiring deal next season. It's almost thirty
one million. Drew Holliday has three years and more than
one hundred million left on his deal. I mean, we
reported this week on my substat Jake Fisher, who writes
twice a week for me, you know, he reported this
that the buzz around the league is already that Boston
might have to attach something as a trade sweetener to
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move off true Holiday's contract. Because as good as Drew
Holliday is, as proven as he is as a title make,
title winning difference maker with two different teams, he's part
of title teams in Milwaukee and Boston. But at his
age and with the number that is still left on
his deal, Boston might have to attach something to move
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off that salary, which makes it even less palatable for
the Celtics. So there's no question that on your list
of things to keep track of the summer, I think
it starts with be honest, Durant, but Boston and what
they do, it's certainly up there.
Speaker 3 (35:23):
Did did the draft lottery? Savenko?
Speaker 9 (35:28):
It does appear in the short term that it has.
There's been no indication of any looming change. The Mavericks
are going to draft Cooper Flag, There's no doubt about that,
and so you know, it's it is, it is all.
It is still in Dallas a weird vibe because they're
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obviously fans are obviously happy beyond belief to win the
lottery a franchise that has never even moved up in
the lottery and knows nothing but draft lottery misery. There's
undeniably happiness and joy and relief to have something good
happen after three rough months, but there is still a
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lot of anger and dismay with the franchise, not just
training Luca Dante Chaway, but the way that it went down.
So look, I can't wait for Summer League like I'm
gonna It's can be really interesting to me just to
kind of see what the reaction is from the fans
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when you know Cooper Flag is playing. You know, maybe
you know, I think Wemby played two games when he
when he came into Summer League, So you'd like to
think Cooper Flag will play a game or two for
the Maverick Summer League team. Like there will be a
lot of excitement, but you know, it's still a fan
base going through it on a lot of levels.
Speaker 4 (36:53):
Mark, get the best, Bud. Really appreciate you join us.
Look forward to reading your next substack. It's called the Signline.
Check it out on substack. Mark, thanks so much for
joining us on Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 9 (37:03):
Sounds good talk soon.
Speaker 4 (37:04):
All right, that's the one and only other cal State
Farton Titan on the radio today. Mark Stein, longtime NBA
reporter and insider, come out next time. Doug Gottliebin for
Colin Cowherd.
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Ready for our best ever, let me play for you.
This is Brock Purty go to sign his new contract
last week. Here's Brock Purtty on KNBR in San Francisco.
He had this to say, are you a top ten
quarterback in the NFL? Yeah?
Speaker 9 (38:48):
No, I think for sure I'm a top ten quarterback.
You know, I'll leave it at that. I'm not gonna,
you know, create a list or anything right now.
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Okay, so let's create a list with our best for last.
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It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't
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last segment. It's time for best for Last.
Speaker 4 (39:08):
Okay, So we're taking this from Pro Football Focus PFF.
They have their first year quarterbacks as Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar Jackson,
Josh Allen. Okay, so that that doesn't include Jalen Hurts,
who just won a Super Bowl, played well in both
Super Bowls that.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
He was in.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
But I think it's fair to go, Hey, he's benefited
from great defense great running game for some reason again,
and maybe this is something we need to change because
it's it's even part of my own evaluation. We and
I when I say we, I say most people who
are yackers not necessarily NFL analysts.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
And I think NFL anaists are probably guilty of this,
but I don't want to lump them on there.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
I think we do a bad job of not allowing
rushing plays and rushing yards to be part of the decision,
right because again we've all been told, hey, if you
want to win Super Bowl, you got to win it
from the pocket.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
You do, but you don't anyway.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
PFF has high end starters as Dalen Hurts, Jade Daniels,
Matt Stafford, Justin Herbert. Okay, this is your top eight
if you will. And now is when it gets interesting.
They put Jared Goff in there. In there solid starters
who have flashed high end play Jared Goff, Gino Smith,
Brock Purdy as that group, and then solid starters but
(40:34):
they need more help Jordan Love, Baker Mayfield, c J. Stroud,
Caller Murray, and Trevor Lawrence. So those are your top
sixteen quarterbacks in the NFL. And I think most of
us would go like, yeah, I'm okay. If you take
Geno out of there, right, that would put bert That
would put Bertie squarely at ten.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
Now, if you said Jordan Love has.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
Maybe more talent, sure, but he turns the ball over
more touchdowns, but more interceptions. Cayler Murray scrambles around, runs around,
and has a better arm than Purdy, but doesn't make
better decisions. Baker Mayfield also got a small or whatever
coming off a great year.
Speaker 3 (41:09):
CJ. Stratt had a great year in a bad year.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
I think Purdy is one of those guys where we
talk so much about tangibles, tangibles, how big you are,
how strong your arm is. He is a guy who
is intangibles are stronger than its tangibles. But the tangibles
aren't so bad that you can't throw football.
Speaker 11 (41:28):
You know.
Speaker 4 (41:28):
It's not like Tim Tebow. It's just when they have
guys go that are injured. He doesn't seem like nearly
the same guy. If you're gonna ask me, is the
top ten quarterback? I would say probably not. Is he
good enough to win with the answer is yes? And
while I think most of us are like, that's a
lot of money for brock Purty. The general thought in
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the NFL is a w you knows better than the devil,
you don't. If you got one, lock him in, keep
him as long as you can, because they're just really.
Speaker 3 (41:57):
Hard to find, really hard to find. Uh beach or
or lake this weekend? Jays to beat your lake this weekend?
Speaker 8 (42:10):
Oh man, I steer clear of anything with sand. I
live in the wrong part of the world. I don't
do sand, I don't do sun. But I guess if
you're giving me a binary choice, I'll always take beach ocean.
Speaker 3 (42:24):
You're gonna do it your I sense a hike in
your future.
Speaker 8 (42:28):
Yeah, I like that.
Speaker 3 (42:29):
I like that, smoking, smoking hot girlfriend's gonna make you
take take a hike.
Speaker 8 (42:33):
I love them.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
Yeah, Ryan, beat your lake.
Speaker 8 (42:38):
Uh, I find to choose. I choose probably like a lake.
I'm kind of anti social, but I'll probably go on
a hike. I like being by myself.
Speaker 4 (42:46):
There you go, there you go, we can well. I mean,
you can be anti social in any of these two places.
Usually la like, though you go with friends. You know,
you go tie the boats out places. There are places
where the water is still not totally warm yet in
those lakes, but quickly becoming more lake, although there is
nothing like the beach. Again, I think the problem with
(43:07):
both of these places is it's not the beach of
the lake, it's the people. If you're there and the
wrong people show off at the beach, you're like, yee,
you get there at the lake and somebody just goes
running by with the cigarette boat and and and they're
causing wakes when they shouldn't they yeeche. We'll see if
the Knicks got any bounce back to him after that.
(43:28):
Just horrific way of losing a game. From my experience
at the college level, when you lose one like that,
it does have a tendency to beat you for half
of the second game as well. So wouldn't surprise me
if the Pacers lead at the half. And we'll see
if the next wake up. And for Oklahoma City winning
last night, like again, I don't love the foul merchant Tree,
(43:49):
but they're winning because their defense and they seem to
like each other.
Speaker 3 (43:53):
Have a great one more of a weekend. I'm Doug Gottie.
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