June 26, 2024 • 43 mins
More on the Knicks trade for Mikal Bridges
Thoughts on the NBA draft tonight and what the Lakers need to be careful about
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What up? Welcome in, This's the Herd. Whatever you may
be and however you may be making this part of
your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlie begin for
Colin cowher. It's draft day, Draft day, which, uh, it's
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a lot to it, right, a lot to it. The
hopes and dreams of so many are come to fruition
and even more are crushed. It is not the end
of the race, but it is definitely a marker for
where so many people stand. Gotta be really interesting. And
you have a team that is a competitive playoff caliber
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team but very much in a very likely transition phase
in the Atlanta Hawks, drafting number one overall, but far
out shadowing or overshadowing, sorry overshadowing tonight's draft was a
trade made yesterday with Michael Bridges is traded from the
Brooklyn Nets to the New York Knicks for basically as
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many picks and pick swaps as you can think of.
And to me, it's a sign of what I thought.
What I thought that Jalen Brunson represented when they signed
him from Dallas is the embracing of the culture of
Villanova basketball. And I know culture is thrown around every
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meeting you have in your life. Now, Okay, when you're
in business, somebody will say the word culture. You know,
the culture and the culture and heat culture and whatever.
But I actually know know that Villanova's culture is a
real thing. Like their practices when Jay Wright was there
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was amazing. There's no loose talk, no lack of focus.
No I mean, look, I'm a jokester even now as
I'm coaching my own team. But the way in which
they were able to we use the term program guys
with just a couple of key phrases, most of which
is attitude. You'd see a player for Villanova and he'd
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make a mistake and one of his teammates come over
and go attitude. They just say it to each other
and like snaps them out of whatever funk that they're in.
The Focus was incredible. They played for each other, They
played with great toughness, they worked hard, They got more
out of themselves than they normally would have. I mean, like, look,
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Dante de Vincenzo is kind of limited. He's really athletic,
but he's not a two or a big time score.
He's definitely not a point. But when he played in
the NBA playoffs this year, and you know how to
use him right, and he's just a shooter, scorer, athlete,
he was fantastic. Josh Hart I can't tell you how
much definable skill he has. Accept that guy plays hard,
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just plays hard. How else can you be that small
and get that many offensive rebounds and new possessions for
your team. Even Jalen Brunson, who's their star. He doesn't
really go by anybody, but he's so efficient with his footwork,
with his moves, dominates games. And now you add him
Michale Bridges, who is Look, if he's your best player,
you're probably not very good. If you're the second best player,
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you're good. But it's a little much from scoring wise,
you're a third best player. Like, okay, now you got
a chance. That's what the Knicks got. But to me,
it's more the embracing of championship culture, and a lot
of it you can't Villanova was different, but there's not
a lot of like ways in which you can point
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out other than you just gotta go see it, you know.
I obviously this year being the head coach of Green Bay,
I won't be able to go out and see other
teams practice. But whenever you go and see a team practice,
especially like in the middle of the year, like the
middle of the year, you're all beating up. Everybody's tired,
you tie around and being each other, not being around
each other. When you go out and you see something
where guys are clapping and dapping, dudes up and they're
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all super super into it, and uh, they're only saying
a couple of words. And when the coach talks, are
super focused and they're trying to apply the use of
analytics to how they play. Like Championship teams look different
in warm ups, they look different in practice, they look
different when they gather up at the end of practice.
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And Villanova looked like that consistently for four or five years.
Inner Jay Wright just an amazing thing. Will it help
him win a championship? In terms of pure talent. I
mean McHale Bridge is a really good player, and I
continue to believe that if he's your third best player,
you've got a chance to win a lot of games.
But I think what it does is it the more
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guys you have all in on the culture, all in
on playing for each other, all in on the little
things that allowed Villanova to win two championships and all
these guys to succeed as professionals. The more guys you
have that are bought into that, you're gonna have to
bring in maybe more talented players, but they'll have to
raise their level to their level. I think it's a
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brilliant move because no matter how many picks you have
with the Knicks, I don't think with Brunson, you're ever
gonna be bad, You're ever gonna be in the lottery.
And oh yeah, by the way, you know what you
have Mikal Bridges. You know how he fits, you know
what he can win with, and you know how he
plays with Brunson, with DiVincenzo and except with Josh Hart.
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I don't like. I love the move. Granted o g
Anobi Anaonobi he leaves yesterday. He's a more talented offensive player.
He has greater upside than Michale Bridges, but Bridges is
for what he does, He's Drew Holiday. He's Drew Aliday.
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He's good on offense, he's very good on defense, and
you put the whole package together and that's where you
got something special. That's where you get something special. So
I I mean count me in as I like that
as a move to take the Knicks to that that
next level. And then you have tonight's NBA Draft, which
is a complete snows fest. It just is. It doesn't
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mean that Alex Saar or others aren't gonna be Donovan Klingon.
I think it's a great story. Uh, it doesn't mean
they're not going to be good. It just means we
don't have outside of clinging. How many of these players
have you seen play extensively. I do think some of
that will change, as we've pointed out G League knite
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going away, as more guys are gonna stay in college
because of the NIL space. But man, this is such
a depleted reserve of talent for this one year, and
oftentimes those are the years that produce one or two
guys that slip in the draft too that ended up
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having monster careers. But man, this is a depleted year.
And the reason it's depleted from college was he had
G league knite that goes away, that goes away. I
think you're gonna have fewer or fewer if any go
to go to Australia to make money. You can make
money playing in college, They're gonna want to play in college.
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So I do think that that by and large, will
have greater name recognition with some of these players. We'll
have greater understanding of who they are as players, who
they are as people, and I think that grows their
brand and that helps us when it comes to the
NBA Draft. But this is just a really really really
rough year, really rough here because look a lot of
the American players, if you were a senior this year,
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you didn't have a senior year because of COVID, So
maybe you went somewhere that you wouldn't normally go because
you couldn't visit your normal school and you visited somewhere
on a zoom and that's what you chose. But I
look at this the Knicks trade as an embrace, as
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embrace of Villanova's culture. Does the Mikal bridges fit a
lot of needs? Yes, to give you more scoring. Sure,
is he a two way player? You bet? But the
reality is a blind man can look and say four
players from Villanova, you must really like Villanova. No, Tibbs
likes winning and Villanova guys being bought into the team concept.
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That's what helps you win. That's episode coming up next
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Speaker 2 (09:47):
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Speaker 3 (09:55):
What do you got there, Ryan.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
All right, Doug, we'll get to on the NFL. Sorry,
we will get to some NFL with t J. Hush,
We're going to start with some NBA. That is, you
just spent a lot of time talking about the Knicks
that trade for Michale Bridges, and another little wrinkle from this,
well you could probably cross them off the teams potentially
pursuing Paul George. What once felt like a foregone conclusion
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that he was going to stay with the Clippers is
certainly a much larger question now. According to ESPN, Paul
George is seeking a fully maxed four year deal, and
the expectation is several rival teams are prepared to make
that offer when free agency officially begins. How about this
including potentially the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Hmm, you did say potentially make that offer?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Sure, yeah, I mean that was the wording of this
particular report, right.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
No, My point is it's like it's all kind of
liars poker, you know, shire they're potentially going to know
Tell me who's actually going to offer that money? Joey's
actually get offer that money. I think if Clay really
wants to be a Warrior, the way to handle is
go out shop, get it, get a number, and then
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see what you feel comfortable with. It's no different than
you want to have, you know, the kitchen done in
your house, Like wow, it's gonna cost you forty thousand dollars.
Like okay, So you go ahead and get pricing and
you may get it go somebody may be higher, may
be lower, and you're like, yeah, it's about the range
I want. So if he wants to be a Warrior,
I don't think the Warriors pay him top dollar. You
just got to know what what is the least you
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will take and not get mad when you walk out
the door. That's it. Sure.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
And among other teams out there other than the Warriors,
do you see Paul George as the type of person
that's gonna end up inevitably taking whatever the deal is
to stay with the Clippers, or will he seriously be
out there considering all options in free agency?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I don't know. I legit, don't I don't, I don't know.
I'm I'm a little surprised by this, but I think
we're all surprised by the fact that they locked up
Kawhi long term and not Paul George long term. And
now there's the he's not paying. They're not they're not
gonna offer him the max and oh yeah, by the way,
he's not happy with the offense. I don't know and
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do end of the day, do I think he remains
a Clipper? I do, But there's a world there where
where Golden State becomes a player. You know, Golden State
lets Clay walk and he falls into Clay's role, and
that becomes really interesting. I don't. I would love to
say I know, but I don't.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Do you see Paul George as so when he went
to the Clippers, obviously the expectations were sky high, and
there have been a ton of reasons why they haven't
necessarily accomplished as much as I'm sure the Clippers were
hoping to accomplish when they got both him and Kawhi Leonards,
most notably Kawhi Leonard's health. Do you see Paul George
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still as a number two on a true championship team?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah? Yeah, but I mean like a one b as
much as a two. I think he's a really good player.
I think what Paul doesn't do as a quote unquote
great player is he doesn't make other people better, you know.
So I like Jason Tatum like he just scores and
if a pass comes up, like he'll make the pass.
Not like he's completely selfish. But it's also not like
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he's creating shots brothers. So I would say the rating
is about right, and I think that's the logic.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Why all right, let's go now to the NFL. The
Eagles expect to be in contention in the NFC once
again this year. They made changes at both offensive and
defensive coordinator. They added say Quon Barkley, and they're all
Pro tackle lane. Johnson believes they're ready to get after it.
Here's what he had to say. Quote, we have a
lot of new faces, a lot of turnover, but I
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like the way we drafted. We've got some great players. Obviously,
we've got to go out and prove things and we're
eager to do so. Oh So, the Eagles obviously had
a great start to last season, got out of the
gates very quickly, and then yeah, things were a bit
of a struggle down the stretch, and we've now seen
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some changes in Philly.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I love the answer, though, I love the answer. It's like, look,
we have to answer all these questions. It's because of
how we played. We gotta we gotta We've talked to talk.
Now we gotta walk the walk. I I love it.
I don't know if you can do it. You and
I have to discussed Ryan before, Like I'm not I've
become a bigger jail and hurts guy than ever was.
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But I don't think he's I don't think he's as
good as he played two years ago. I'm not sure
anybody can ever be as good as he played two
years ago. I think Water found its level last year.
So I'm interested to see what that what that looks
like moving forward.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Yeah, and we will wrap things up with this Doug Houston.
Texans a surprise playoff team last year, and they hoped
to continue building on that success. They're all pro corner.
Desmond King believes they're ready to do it again. He said, quote,
we were an up and coming team and now we're
here to stay. Do you see the Texans continuing on
that trajectory upwards or maybe just sort of one of
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those surprise playoff teams that sort of finds that.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yeah, you know, I think they're on an upper trajectory.
I think everybody says to Mako, Ryan's a real deal.
Yeah you got a young quarterback. He's you know, those second, third,
fourth year of those young quarterback contracts.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
You can get more talent, which they clearly capitalized on
by going out and getting stuff on digs.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
And there's there's who's the team in that division? Who
you feel like Trevor Lawrence has been Okay, you had
down here last year. Sure, Indian, you're gonna throw Anthea
Richardson back out there. He's got to learn how to
be an NFL quarterback. Yeah, I why wouldn't I? I
absolutely think they're on upper trajectory.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Obviously, people don't have high expectations for the Titans this
upcoming season.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
No, No, they're solid, but nope. And that's why music with.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
It is, Well that's the news and stopping the herd
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Speaker 3 (16:10):
All right, let's welcome in tjos Manzana. You can hear
them on up on Game, which of course is uh
every weekend. Here on Fox Sports Radio, he co hosts
What's a Radio show and podcast with LaVar Arrington and
Plexical burse It airs each Saturday on Fox Sports Radio.
Can find it wherever you find podcast. Who'sh Thanks so
much for taking time with us. Let me get your
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thoughts on quarterback wise, right to a tongue of Iloa,
they appear to hit an impasse in negotiations. Team has
a price they want to pay. Obviously the quarterback is agent.
They want to be paid at the level of Trevor
Lawrence and others. If you were in charge, what would
you do?
Speaker 5 (16:52):
No, guys, this is a tough dilemma that the Dolphins
are in and also Sula's representatives, because if you look
across the league, the quarterback position as to us at
the market is the market. But the market is only
the market if your team or somebody else is willing
to pay you that. And if I'm the Dolphins, I'm
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looking at I'm saying, will somebody give to us fifty
five million? Will somebody? Because before Mike McDaniel, everybody wondered
was he a starter in the league. Once he got
with Mike McDaniel, obviously we know the answer is yet
and he took off. Can he do that with another
team and coach? And so this dilemma and his contract
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is going to be tough because where do where do
you fall? Where does to a fall in? What are
we going to pay him? And will somebody else pay him.
If I'm the Dolphins, I'm not giving to a fifty
five million because I have to make sure we have
a team around him that can compete. And when you
start giving a quarterback that amount of money when he
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isn't the main reason, like it's Joe Burrow as Patrick
Mahomes is somebody else. He isn't the main reason. He's
part of the reason, but he isn't the reason.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
I agree with you. I mean, you're you're echoing all
of my all of my sentiments, all of my sentiments. Uh, okay,
Jordan Love, you're the Packers. Yeah, I'm in a contract
for this year. You want to get done. What do
you do with Jordan Love.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
I'm gonna pay Jordan Love.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I like.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
I like Jordan Love. I uh, the way he finished
that season, the way he played in the playoffs, you
gotta pay Jordan Love because at a point last year
it looked as if he wasn't a franchise quarterback. It
looked as if the Packers may have made a mistake.
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And then all of a sudden, the flip, I mean,
he flipped the switch, and it was like, WHOA, so
go do what he did in the playoffs let's be honest,
that game against San Francisco, they probably should have won.
They didn't, but they probably should have. And so when
you look at the way that he played in the
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second half of the season and in the playoffs, I'm
paying jord enough. And I don't understand why these teams wait.
If you know he's your quarterback, just pay them because
the longer you wait, the more you're gonna pay them.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
It's it's a fair it's a fair point. Uh, Brandon,
Brandon A yuck. What do you do if apparently they
had a meeting it went well between the Niners and
their wide receiver. But what's what's his real value?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Doug? Guess when you're a receiver and you're player, just
just any player. We always compare ourselves to other players. Okay,
I think I'm better than him, I'm better. We always
think we're better than the next guy. But I'm a
comparable myself to a guy that many will say, Okay,
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give or take. They may take him, they may take. Oh,
if the Diners would offer him, I'm in row Saint
Brown's contract, it'd be over. We're done. They'd offering less
than that. Twenty nine, twenty eight and a half done.
I know this the fact, not as I'm guessing as fact.
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And so they're offering less than that. And he's looking
at the guys that have signed REESTI and saying, y'all,
I don't think I'm as good as these guys. I
believe I am. And so that's that's the impast.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I get it. But everybody thinks they're a little bit
better than they are.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Now you you answer all the guys that signed this year,
would you say I UK is comparable to they're different
than I'm and Raw and Waddle When when you when
you look at, respectively, their teams, what their teams acting
to do?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah? Yeah, a lot a lot of similarities there.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
So if I'm in rows at thirty BA, you don't
think you can get to twenty eight. You don't think
it's twenty eight. They're not even offering twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
That's crazy. But why so what is it that the Niners?
I mean again, the Niners aren't paying quarterbacks anything. Obviously,
they have a bunch of money in some other big
name players. Why wouldn't the Niners be willing to go
to that level? And those are you mentioned? Wada Lake?
That's the second best wide receiver on their team, that
that that fits. That's exactly where where bread it is.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
I don't know, I know the Niners. This is this
is how when they drafted Pears in the first round,
the first thing that came to my mind was b
A or DBA won't be there after this season. One
of those guys won't be there, right, And so they
know that it looks like if they're trying to sign Ayuk,
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it'll be d ro gone. If they don't sign I,
obviously they will be da gone. And so how they
figure this out. They're looking down the road. Okay, we're
gonna have to play party. Uh, they just paid McCaffrey,
gave him any and they're looking down who funded They're
gonna have to pay him. They're gonna have to pay
so many different guys that they're they're planning for the future.
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But Auk is saying, I am future. So I'm the president.
I'm the president. Pay me now. But there's a lot
of movie parts in this because the way party is played,
you're gonna have to pay him. They're gonna have to
pay him, And can you do that and keep everybody happy?
Because when you have a great team. There's a lot
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of mouths of heat. A lot of guys had their
hand out wanting to get paid. And it's a gifting
of the curse when you are good at the Niners,
because the great players want to be paid that way, No.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Question about you. Judge Manzai was a great player. Here's
a pro bowler with the with the Cincinnati Bengals. He
joins us here. I'm Doug gottlieb in for college. Of course,
you can hear TJ LeVar, Arrington Plexico Burst each Saturday.
I'm Fox Sports Radio shows called Up on Game Two.
Our version of is available in podcast in podcast form.
All Right, I gotta ask you, you're huge Laker fan.
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What do you think about JJ Reddick getting the job?
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I mean, for I would say quite a bit. For
some weeks now, the assumption was JJ Reddick was going
to be the coach, So I kind of I used
to JJ Reddick being our coach, do a kind of
curveball with Heurley in there. Obviously that didn't work out.
I like it, and I like it because I don't
know JJ Reddick, but as a player, and JJ Reddick
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wasn't he wasn't the punks. He wasn't taking anything from anybody.
And to be a head coach, you got to demand
respect and you got to make sure you can coach
your best players, meaning Lebron, James and Ad. Sometimes I
gotta yell at him. I got you gotta get on
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the ass. You have to, because if the rest of
the team sees you talking to him like that, they
gonna fall in line. If he can do that, you
have a chance. Like you cannot let Lebron be lazy
on defense and not call it out in front of
the team. Now, you're not just gonna pick on Lebron.
You're just gonna make an example out of you once
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or twice during the season. That's it. And once you
do that, everybody else falls in line. I think that
is the biggest key to the coaches want to be
the friend of the players. Yeah, I can be your friend,
but I'm gonna coach you. And if you can't do that,
then he doesn't have a chense.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I'll just tell you like I have so my best
player I had practice this morning, and he has developed
a habit because he's oftentimes better than the guys who
reguarding them. If we passed to him, and he just
goes and I was like, look, I'm just gonna tell
you right now, like you've only gotten nice me, You're
not gonna get nice me if you do that today.
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I want you to not shoot on the first touch
ever today. Again, transition, somebody throws it up to you
like go go get a bucket, and but you tell
them like you kind of tell them like what's coming.
And then and then if it happens, you lay into them.
You tell them like, look, it's just because it's a
habit I want you to get out of. So I
do think that you can have a good friendly relationship
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with a player, even one as dynamic as Lebron James,
and still do your job.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
But again but and and like, look it's not football.
I think football is way harder. But I mean you
look at at Oakland like being a head coach, as
long as you get people to do the part that
you don't know how to do, and you just lean
into the parts that you do know, and then you
got to you gotta have great work ethic because it's
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gonna be a lot. Of course, you can do it.
It's been done in the NBA. Is Steve Kurran ever
coached before. You know, you gotta lean in the parts
that you know and get hire people for the parts
that you don't know. I think the question for them
is what do they add personnelise, because now Lebron, instead
of being a strength, is a weakness for them. Defensively,
Reeves is okay, Anthony Davis was. That's as good as
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years you're ever gonna get from Anthony Davis. He was
in great shape. He's a good player, he's their best player.
But what do they add to take them to that
next level?
Speaker 5 (26:25):
For sure, the Lakers, you gotta add players. Like when
you you look at the way Boston won the championship,
they literally had four guys on the court the majority
of the time that can play offense and defense. You
look at us the two way players, you look at
what the Knicks have done and adding bridges, they gonna
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literally have guys that can, as you just said, two
way players, play offense and play defense. And so the
Lakers are going to have to add players. And it's
hard because if you can get those type of players,
they're a good players that demand a high salary. Yeah,
they're they're gonna have to find a diamond in a
rough find somebody that we had a KCP and he
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went to Denver and played out great defense with three
and d got knocked down the three, And we'll just
played great defense, hit some big shots and clutch moments.
They're gonna have to find some bargains in free agency
that you're like, oh wow, I didn't know he could
play like this because they don't have the money to
pay these guys. But AD's gonna have to have another
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year of the way. He's gonna have to play again
next season, the way he just played. He has to
know that. And Lebron's minutes early in the season are
gonna have to be managed so that later in the
season he can really go.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, And the problem is can you still win enough games?
And this year I think he played that much because
he wanted to set the all time scoring mark. What
about the brownie thing, like, I just I don't know,
it's it's it's in and of itself. I think the uh,
the relationship between JJ and Lebron, you can work through
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that one. I'd much rather that than an antagonistic relationship, right, Like,
you can work through that. Can you work through it
while also trying to play his son at a level
he's not ready to compete at.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
I don't I'm not certain. Well, let's just say Broni's
on the team. Let's just say he's gonna get drafted
on the Lakers seven some time or second round. Let's
just say that's the case. If Bronni isn't ready to play,
if he isn't deserving of playing time, you can't play him.
You can't because you're gonna lose respect of other guys
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on the team. Everybody's gonna when lebron isn't around, and
you know he shouldn't be playing, bro why they why
are they playing him? They're gonna talk, They're gonna talk
amongst each other. You can't do it. But if he
earns it, he earns it like the thing I do.
(29:05):
What I don't like is Bronnie can't control who his
father is. His father is one of the greatest basketball
players to ever touch the court. He can't control that,
and so the spotlight that's on him, the scrutiny that
he receives, is unwarranted because Lebron is his dad. It's
a gift in the curse. Like I said earlier about
something but if he earns it, he earns it. But
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you cannot give him playing time because he's Lebron's son.
The rest of the team will talk about that behind
the back of the coach and the players, mainly Lebron
and I think that's how you splinter the team. But
if he earns it, he earns it. If I'm the Lakers,
I'm drafting Lebron, Like, I mean, I'm drafting Bronni Why
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wouldn't I Why wouldn't I? Like?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
But you you just said, hey, you gotta find a
dime in the rough, and we can be you can
be critical as you want of, you know, letting Carusoe
walk or some of the other deals. But they've done
a good job for the most part of drafting guys
that have helped them. Yeah, we'll see if Max Christy
ends up helping them whatever, But they've done a good
(30:14):
job in that second round, Like did No one's gonna
draft him. If you don't draft him, you can sign
him as a Why would you draft him when you
can draft a dude who could actually.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Help you, man, Because that's a chance you're taking because
he's Lebron's son. Like, we live in a world to
have and have nots.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Let's just be honest, like, no, no, listen, I I
I understand. I don't know if it happens in football,
in basketball, in basketball, Listen, in basketball, it's happened, happens
a lot second round has There's been favors in the
second round for a long time. I get it, Okay.
My issue has been, like why I don't understand why
Lebron's talking about how his son is, you know, can
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help him more than some guys on their team or
some half the guys. N But I wouldn't. I would either,
I don't. I understand he loves his kid, but like and.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Have said that. But think if Bronnie James is available
with the fifty fifth pick, take him, and I'm the Lakers,
I'm drafting them. They're drafting them because one thing is
for certain. He gonna work his ass off to be
the best he can be. He's gonna work extremely hard.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
That okay, great, he's gonna work hard, Doug, you know there's.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
A lot of athletes that don't work hard.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I understand it. Don't draft him, don't draft him, don't
draft He's worked hard, He's worked hard. He's just not
that good. That's no, no, and he hasn't played that much.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
He hasn't He's not that good because he's being compared that,
Oh he's Lebron's son. You got to take into account
the man had heart surgery. So when you come back
from that in the same season, you're never going to
be what you should have been had you not had
that surgery. So you kind of got to it back
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into the field of the game type of thing. But
with the fifty fifth pick, I'm drafting them. I'm drafting
him because one, he's Lebron's son. Like, yeah, well, we're
gonna do a little nepotism here, a little cronism here,
Like it is what it is, like you you're gonna
do it. But you can't give him a lame time
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that isn't earned.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Okay, So okay, so here's a here's a legit question
to you, legit question. Okay. Do you think Laker fans
view Lebron as a Laker?
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Yeah? Once? Once? Once that championship. Uh we won in
a bubble. Absolutely, I don't.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I don't. I don't think I could be wrong. You're
a much more hardcore Laker fan.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Absolutely, I'm a Laker fan like.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I know, I know you are. Okay, I would say
it's fifty to fifty on, maybe even less than forty
sixty on. He's not really, He's plays for Lakers, and
I know he may end up playing for Lakers longer
than anybody else.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
In one stretch, exactly what I was about to say.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
I understand, but they's career, I get it. But this
is the Lakers. It's still Kobe's team. Okay, Oh yeah, Kobe.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Always Kobe started and finished with the Lakers. He'll never
be above Kobe in that sense. Kobe is a Laker
of all Lakers because he started and finished with the Lakers.
Him the Magic Johnson's of the world. Those dudes are lifelile.
They were Lakers. But Lebron has a chance to play
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more seasons with the Lakers than any other NBA team
in his career. So why wouldn't he be brought us
a championship? Why wouldn't he be everybody? Oh, it was
in the bubble. You was in the same bubble. You
were in the same bubble. Why couldn't you win? It
excuses only satisfied those who may them.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
I'm just what my point is, like again. If you
manipulate this thing too much where they got a son
on the team, you're not doing great. You pick the coach,
You're not really a laker. I don't I don't know
if it helps or hurts long term. Who's you're the best?
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Man?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
I love talking hoops and football with you. Thanks so
much for joining us in the Herd.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Yeah, man rio Jo, best player making making get in line,
mister Gottlieb, coach Gottlieb. I love it, baby, Nice talk
to see you.
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Thanks. That's t j Oysminzada, good friend of mine. Wide
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Speaker 3 (36:02):
Ah, the best for last, the best for last? What's
the best for last? Today? Boys? I love this, I
love this, this, this debate or discussion that you want
to have.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Well, obviously you're sitting in for Colin today and Colin's
taking some much deserved time off. But he did chime
in on Twitter on a very important note, and this
is not what he posted a short video of him
talking about the NIXT trade. This might be even more
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important than that.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Here's what he said, executive decision. I'll be ordering roasted
chicken and only roasted chicken from this point forward. Homer
away game.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Okay, so what are we doing? You want to do
chicken hierarchy?
Speaker 4 (36:56):
I think I think, yeah, roasted chicken. It's good, but
it's definitely lower on the list of best ways to
prepare chicken.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Really really, I mean yeah, in many ways, I am
like the the Bubba Gump Bubba Gump of the or
I'm like Bubba to chicken. You know, I can I
can cook it any way you want. I can bake it,
I can roast it, I can rotisserie it, I can
fry it, I can saute it, I can grill it, right, sure,
Am I missing any other way in which you can?
(37:28):
I mean obviously could do air fryer, but I think
fried is part of it, baked, roasted, rotisserie, fried, grilled, sauteed,
what else smoked? You can smoke chickens?
Speaker 7 (37:38):
Yeah, like chicken.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I get so much. It's hard to get in the
paper when you smoke. Oh, a different kind of smoking.
Sorry about that. Okay, So, uh, what is roasted chickens?
That's a question to me. It's like, what's theres in
roasting and baking in and of it.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
I'm I'm guessing they're mostly one and the same, is
what he referring to here.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Baked chicken's fantastic. I don't know if it's the best.
I mean, I would say that most people would say
the most flavorfulest fried chicken.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
The only thing limiting you from liking fried chicken is well,
if it's deep fried in grease and that it's not
good for you. But if we're just talking flavor, nothing
beats with fried chicken, right, absolutely, Okay. I love smoked chicken.
I like grilled chicken. I can sautee chicken, I can
Rotisserie chicken is pretty darn awesome too.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Rotisserie chicken is, without a doubt, gotta be number two
on the overall list.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
I'll go with that I would go smoke chicken three.
That's just me. I love the flavor of the natural
smoke in there.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Definitely can't go wrong.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Okay, I go smoke three. And then are you going
are you going roasted slash baked ahead of grilled? I'm
behind grilled.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I'm going grilled chicken.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Is the only problem with grilled chicken. Here's here's the
issue with grilled chicken. It can get dry. Sure, especially
if you do individual chicken breasts, it can get really dry.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
But again, but that's that's mostly on the assumption that
there's gonna be some variance on how well it's cooked.
It's not like it's a guarantee that if you put
it in the oven you're somehow miraculously never gonna get
dry chicken. You're just as likely to get dry chicken
if you're ordering it.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
I just I disagree, okay, because if you cook it
in the oven, you're gonna cook it like in a
not a cookie sheet. You're gonna cook it in like
a baking sort of pan, right, and then the all
the grease and oil and stuff collects at the bottom,
so there still is the moisture there. Like you could
overcook it, but there's still the moisture there, whereas when
you grill it, Okay, especially when you grill individual chicken breasts,
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the likelihood of it being dry is great, and then
all of the juices have all gone gone into the
actual grill.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
I get your overall point, but I think you're just
as likely because to his point in the tweet.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Sorry about that. I thought we're with debating, we were
getting debate. I was gonna go into debate mode, right,
That's that's what I'm sure.
Speaker 7 (40:12):
Sure, I think. I think that's just inherent to.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
White breast meat chicken, as you run a high risk
of it turning out dry, regardless of in the oven
or on the grill.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Uh yeah, I mean I think I saw tang it.
I actually I think grilling it as the highest percentage
chance of it being dry, and casts are very very difficult.
Although I do think that you can grill it and
you can marinate it, and it's the flavor of the
grill is out.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
I mean, on the high end, a grilled chicken thigh
is pretty tough to beat.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
I agree. I actually have some chicken thighs that they
make make grill tonight. There you go, that's a good,
good call. By the way, You're not one of these
guys that do you do? Do you take this? You
do you buy the skinless chicken thighs?
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (40:59):
I mean I do, but it's mostly out of number
one convenience and number two my wife's preference. But in
terms of like, in a general sense, like I have
no problem with chicken that has the skin on it.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
No, I understand, it's just a lot more flavorful.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
No, definitely, but I know, I mean I would discree.
There are people out there that are like, I want
no part of the chicken skin for sure.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
But that's mostly of health, right, not out of taste.
I think some people don't like the way the chicken
skin taste.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
I think it's a texture thing more than anything.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Oh when do we create all the It's like peanut allergies.
I don't remember people having peanut allergies. Now everybody has
these texture things. I don't like this texture, like, I
don't know. The texture is part of the joy to food.
Speaker 7 (41:42):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
I can't take the different textures. Well, then you can
enjoy life. You want everything to be mush, you know,
I don't understand that one I actually think the mixture
of textures is one of the things, and the mixture
of flavors is one of the things that is absolutely
absolutely great. Man, Where are you Jay Stu on this debate?
Are you hopping in in any Are you disagreeing in
(42:05):
any way? Because there's a lot of agreements here and
that we got fried rotisseri smoked, and then the only
disagreement is where we put baked and where we put roasted, roasted,
slash baked versus grilled.
Speaker 7 (42:16):
I'm so inept in these culinary conversations. I feel like
less of a person when I hear you guys talk
about this. I don't cook, never been good at that stuff.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Are you just like you eat food for fuel? You're
not like that.
Speaker 7 (42:31):
If you're willing to make me food, I'm willing to
eat and I'm gonna love it. But I will say this,
I have been known to stop by the local supermarket
and pick up rotisserie chicken and throw it in some lettuce.
And that's delicious. Rotisserie chicken ish. I think it's pretty underrated,
and it's obviously easy. It's ready made for you right
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there at the market.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
I uh, I listen the Ultimate single guy or I
don't know what to buy food? Whoever? Okay, the two
greatest changes in our lifetime as men is one moving
back the extra point in the NFL and whoever decided
to sell these rotisserie chickens for nine to ninety nine
(43:15):
or less where you can just walk in, buy a
rotisserie chicken, and walk out and have a meal. Those
two things have changed our lives more than anything else.
I would say air conditioning, cruise control, indoor plumbing, somewhere
along the lines of top five. I think we solve
the world's problems today. Enjoy the NBA Draft. No Browni's
not getting drafted tonight. Yes, you can listen to the
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What up? Welcome in, This's the Herd. Whatever you may
be and however you may be making this part of
your day. Thanks so much. I'm Doug Gottlie begin for
Colin cowher. It's draft day, Draft day, which, uh, it's
(00:47):
a lot to it, right, a lot to it. The
hopes and dreams of so many are come to fruition
and even more are crushed. It is not the end
of the race, but it is definitely a marker for
where so many people stand. Gotta be really interesting. And
you have a team that is a competitive playoff caliber
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team but very much in a very likely transition phase
in the Atlanta Hawks, drafting number one overall, but far
out shadowing or overshadowing, sorry overshadowing tonight's draft was a
trade made yesterday with Michael Bridges is traded from the
Brooklyn Nets to the New York Knicks for basically as
(01:31):
many picks and pick swaps as you can think of.
And to me, it's a sign of what I thought.
What I thought that Jalen Brunson represented when they signed
him from Dallas is the embracing of the culture of
Villanova basketball. And I know culture is thrown around every
(01:56):
meeting you have in your life. Now, Okay, when you're
in business, somebody will say the word culture. You know,
the culture and the culture and heat culture and whatever.
But I actually know know that Villanova's culture is a
real thing. Like their practices when Jay Wright was there
(02:19):
was amazing. There's no loose talk, no lack of focus.
No I mean, look, I'm a jokester even now as
I'm coaching my own team. But the way in which
they were able to we use the term program guys
with just a couple of key phrases, most of which
is attitude. You'd see a player for Villanova and he'd
(02:42):
make a mistake and one of his teammates come over
and go attitude. They just say it to each other
and like snaps them out of whatever funk that they're in.
The Focus was incredible. They played for each other, They
played with great toughness, they worked hard, They got more
out of themselves than they normally would have. I mean, like, look,
(03:02):
Dante de Vincenzo is kind of limited. He's really athletic,
but he's not a two or a big time score.
He's definitely not a point. But when he played in
the NBA playoffs this year, and you know how to
use him right, and he's just a shooter, scorer, athlete,
he was fantastic. Josh Hart I can't tell you how
much definable skill he has. Accept that guy plays hard,
(03:27):
just plays hard. How else can you be that small
and get that many offensive rebounds and new possessions for
your team. Even Jalen Brunson, who's their star. He doesn't
really go by anybody, but he's so efficient with his footwork,
with his moves, dominates games. And now you add him
Michale Bridges, who is Look, if he's your best player,
you're probably not very good. If you're the second best player,
(03:50):
you're good. But it's a little much from scoring wise,
you're a third best player. Like, okay, now you got
a chance. That's what the Knicks got. But to me,
it's more the embracing of championship culture, and a lot
of it you can't Villanova was different, but there's not
a lot of like ways in which you can point
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out other than you just gotta go see it, you know.
I obviously this year being the head coach of Green Bay,
I won't be able to go out and see other
teams practice. But whenever you go and see a team practice,
especially like in the middle of the year, like the
middle of the year, you're all beating up. Everybody's tired,
you tie around and being each other, not being around
each other. When you go out and you see something
where guys are clapping and dapping, dudes up and they're
(04:35):
all super super into it, and uh, they're only saying
a couple of words. And when the coach talks, are
super focused and they're trying to apply the use of
analytics to how they play. Like Championship teams look different
in warm ups, they look different in practice, they look
different when they gather up at the end of practice.
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And Villanova looked like that consistently for four or five years.
Inner Jay Wright just an amazing thing. Will it help
him win a championship? In terms of pure talent. I
mean McHale Bridge is a really good player, and I
continue to believe that if he's your third best player,
you've got a chance to win a lot of games.
But I think what it does is it the more
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guys you have all in on the culture, all in
on playing for each other, all in on the little
things that allowed Villanova to win two championships and all
these guys to succeed as professionals. The more guys you
have that are bought into that, you're gonna have to
bring in maybe more talented players, but they'll have to
raise their level to their level. I think it's a
(05:39):
brilliant move because no matter how many picks you have
with the Knicks, I don't think with Brunson, you're ever
gonna be bad, You're ever gonna be in the lottery.
And oh yeah, by the way, you know what you
have Mikal Bridges. You know how he fits, you know
what he can win with, and you know how he
plays with Brunson, with DiVincenzo and except with Josh Hart.
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I don't like. I love the move. Granted o g
Anobi Anaonobi he leaves yesterday. He's a more talented offensive player.
He has greater upside than Michale Bridges, but Bridges is
for what he does, He's Drew Holiday. He's Drew Aliday.
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He's good on offense, he's very good on defense, and
you put the whole package together and that's where you
got something special. That's where you get something special. So
I I mean count me in as I like that
as a move to take the Knicks to that that
next level. And then you have tonight's NBA Draft, which
is a complete snows fest. It just is. It doesn't
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mean that Alex Saar or others aren't gonna be Donovan Klingon.
I think it's a great story. Uh, it doesn't mean
they're not going to be good. It just means we
don't have outside of clinging. How many of these players
have you seen play extensively. I do think some of
that will change, as we've pointed out G League knite
(07:12):
going away, as more guys are gonna stay in college
because of the NIL space. But man, this is such
a depleted reserve of talent for this one year, and
oftentimes those are the years that produce one or two
guys that slip in the draft too that ended up
(07:32):
having monster careers. But man, this is a depleted year.
And the reason it's depleted from college was he had
G league knite that goes away, that goes away. I
think you're gonna have fewer or fewer if any go
to go to Australia to make money. You can make
money playing in college, They're gonna want to play in college.
(07:54):
So I do think that that by and large, will
have greater name recognition with some of these players. We'll
have greater understanding of who they are as players, who
they are as people, and I think that grows their
brand and that helps us when it comes to the
NBA Draft. But this is just a really really really
rough year, really rough here because look a lot of
the American players, if you were a senior this year,
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you didn't have a senior year because of COVID, So
maybe you went somewhere that you wouldn't normally go because
you couldn't visit your normal school and you visited somewhere
on a zoom and that's what you chose. But I
look at this the Knicks trade as an embrace, as
(08:35):
embrace of Villanova's culture. Does the Mikal bridges fit a
lot of needs? Yes, to give you more scoring. Sure,
is he a two way player? You bet? But the
reality is a blind man can look and say four
players from Villanova, you must really like Villanova. No, Tibbs
likes winning and Villanova guys being bought into the team concept.
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Speaker 3 (09:55):
What do you got there, Ryan.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
All right, Doug, we'll get to on the NFL. Sorry,
we will get to some NFL with t J. Hush,
We're going to start with some NBA. That is, you
just spent a lot of time talking about the Knicks
that trade for Michale Bridges, and another little wrinkle from this,
well you could probably cross them off the teams potentially
pursuing Paul George. What once felt like a foregone conclusion
(10:19):
that he was going to stay with the Clippers is
certainly a much larger question now. According to ESPN, Paul
George is seeking a fully maxed four year deal, and
the expectation is several rival teams are prepared to make
that offer when free agency officially begins. How about this
including potentially the Warriors.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Hmm, you did say potentially make that offer?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Sure, yeah, I mean that was the wording of this
particular report, right.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
No, My point is it's like it's all kind of
liars poker, you know, shire they're potentially going to know
Tell me who's actually going to offer that money? Joey's
actually get offer that money. I think if Clay really
wants to be a Warrior, the way to handle is
go out shop, get it, get a number, and then
(11:16):
see what you feel comfortable with. It's no different than
you want to have, you know, the kitchen done in
your house, Like wow, it's gonna cost you forty thousand dollars.
Like okay, So you go ahead and get pricing and
you may get it go somebody may be higher, may
be lower, and you're like, yeah, it's about the range
I want. So if he wants to be a Warrior,
I don't think the Warriors pay him top dollar. You
just got to know what what is the least you
(11:38):
will take and not get mad when you walk out
the door. That's it. Sure.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
And among other teams out there other than the Warriors,
do you see Paul George as the type of person
that's gonna end up inevitably taking whatever the deal is
to stay with the Clippers, or will he seriously be
out there considering all options in free agency?
Speaker 3 (11:59):
I don't know. I legit, don't I don't, I don't know.
I'm I'm a little surprised by this, but I think
we're all surprised by the fact that they locked up
Kawhi long term and not Paul George long term. And
now there's the he's not paying. They're not they're not
gonna offer him the max and oh yeah, by the way,
he's not happy with the offense. I don't know and
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do end of the day, do I think he remains
a Clipper? I do, But there's a world there where
where Golden State becomes a player. You know, Golden State
lets Clay walk and he falls into Clay's role, and
that becomes really interesting. I don't. I would love to
say I know, but I don't.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Do you see Paul George as so when he went
to the Clippers, obviously the expectations were sky high, and
there have been a ton of reasons why they haven't
necessarily accomplished as much as I'm sure the Clippers were
hoping to accomplish when they got both him and Kawhi Leonards,
most notably Kawhi Leonard's health. Do you see Paul George
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still as a number two on a true championship team?
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Yeah? Yeah, but I mean like a one b as
much as a two. I think he's a really good player.
I think what Paul doesn't do as a quote unquote
great player is he doesn't make other people better, you know.
So I like Jason Tatum like he just scores and
if a pass comes up, like he'll make the pass.
Not like he's completely selfish. But it's also not like
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he's creating shots brothers. So I would say the rating
is about right, and I think that's the logic.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
Why all right, let's go now to the NFL. The
Eagles expect to be in contention in the NFC once
again this year. They made changes at both offensive and
defensive coordinator. They added say Quon Barkley, and they're all
Pro tackle lane. Johnson believes they're ready to get after it.
Here's what he had to say. Quote, we have a
lot of new faces, a lot of turnover, but I
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like the way we drafted. We've got some great players. Obviously,
we've got to go out and prove things and we're
eager to do so. Oh So, the Eagles obviously had
a great start to last season, got out of the
gates very quickly, and then yeah, things were a bit
of a struggle down the stretch, and we've now seen
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some changes in Philly.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I love the answer, though, I love the answer. It's like, look,
we have to answer all these questions. It's because of
how we played. We gotta we gotta We've talked to talk.
Now we gotta walk the walk. I I love it.
I don't know if you can do it. You and
I have to discussed Ryan before, Like I'm not I've
become a bigger jail and hurts guy than ever was.
(14:38):
But I don't think he's I don't think he's as
good as he played two years ago. I'm not sure
anybody can ever be as good as he played two
years ago. I think Water found its level last year.
So I'm interested to see what that what that looks
like moving forward.
Speaker 4 (14:52):
Yeah, and we will wrap things up with this Doug Houston.
Texans a surprise playoff team last year, and they hoped
to continue building on that success. They're all pro corner.
Desmond King believes they're ready to do it again. He said, quote,
we were an up and coming team and now we're
here to stay. Do you see the Texans continuing on
that trajectory upwards or maybe just sort of one of
(15:14):
those surprise playoff teams that sort of finds that.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
Yeah, you know, I think they're on an upper trajectory.
I think everybody says to Mako, Ryan's a real deal.
Yeah you got a young quarterback. He's you know, those second, third,
fourth year of those young quarterback contracts.
Speaker 4 (15:29):
You can get more talent, which they clearly capitalized on
by going out and getting stuff on digs.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
And there's there's who's the team in that division? Who
you feel like Trevor Lawrence has been Okay, you had
down here last year. Sure, Indian, you're gonna throw Anthea
Richardson back out there. He's got to learn how to
be an NFL quarterback. Yeah, I why wouldn't I? I
absolutely think they're on upper trajectory.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Obviously, people don't have high expectations for the Titans this
upcoming season.
Speaker 3 (15:58):
No, No, they're solid, but nope. And that's why music with.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
It is, Well that's the news and stopping the herd
line news.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
All right, let's welcome in tjos Manzana. You can hear
them on up on Game, which of course is uh
every weekend. Here on Fox Sports Radio, he co hosts
What's a Radio show and podcast with LaVar Arrington and
Plexical burse It airs each Saturday on Fox Sports Radio.
Can find it wherever you find podcast. Who'sh Thanks so
much for taking time with us. Let me get your
(16:32):
thoughts on quarterback wise, right to a tongue of Iloa,
they appear to hit an impasse in negotiations. Team has
a price they want to pay. Obviously the quarterback is agent.
They want to be paid at the level of Trevor
Lawrence and others. If you were in charge, what would
you do?
Speaker 5 (16:52):
No, guys, this is a tough dilemma that the Dolphins
are in and also Sula's representatives, because if you look
across the league, the quarterback position as to us at
the market is the market. But the market is only
the market if your team or somebody else is willing
to pay you that. And if I'm the Dolphins, I'm
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looking at I'm saying, will somebody give to us fifty
five million? Will somebody? Because before Mike McDaniel, everybody wondered
was he a starter in the league. Once he got
with Mike McDaniel, obviously we know the answer is yet
and he took off. Can he do that with another
team and coach? And so this dilemma and his contract
(17:36):
is going to be tough because where do where do
you fall? Where does to a fall in? What are
we going to pay him? And will somebody else pay him.
If I'm the Dolphins, I'm not giving to a fifty
five million because I have to make sure we have
a team around him that can compete. And when you
start giving a quarterback that amount of money when he
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isn't the main reason, like it's Joe Burrow as Patrick
Mahomes is somebody else. He isn't the main reason. He's
part of the reason, but he isn't the reason.
Speaker 3 (18:09):
I agree with you. I mean, you're you're echoing all
of my all of my sentiments, all of my sentiments. Uh, okay,
Jordan Love, you're the Packers. Yeah, I'm in a contract
for this year. You want to get done. What do
you do with Jordan Love.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
I'm gonna pay Jordan Love.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
I like.
Speaker 5 (18:25):
I like Jordan Love. I uh, the way he finished
that season, the way he played in the playoffs, you
gotta pay Jordan Love because at a point last year
it looked as if he wasn't a franchise quarterback. It
looked as if the Packers may have made a mistake.
(18:48):
And then all of a sudden, the flip, I mean,
he flipped the switch, and it was like, WHOA, so
go do what he did in the playoffs let's be honest,
that game against San Francisco, they probably should have won.
They didn't, but they probably should have. And so when
you look at the way that he played in the
(19:09):
second half of the season and in the playoffs, I'm
paying jord enough. And I don't understand why these teams wait.
If you know he's your quarterback, just pay them because
the longer you wait, the more you're gonna pay them.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
It's it's a fair it's a fair point. Uh, Brandon,
Brandon A yuck. What do you do if apparently they
had a meeting it went well between the Niners and
their wide receiver. But what's what's his real value?
Speaker 5 (19:44):
Doug? Guess when you're a receiver and you're player, just
just any player. We always compare ourselves to other players. Okay,
I think I'm better than him, I'm better. We always
think we're better than the next guy. But I'm a
comparable myself to a guy that many will say, Okay,
(20:04):
give or take. They may take him, they may take. Oh,
if the Diners would offer him, I'm in row Saint
Brown's contract, it'd be over. We're done. They'd offering less
than that. Twenty nine, twenty eight and a half done.
I know this the fact, not as I'm guessing as fact.
(20:29):
And so they're offering less than that. And he's looking
at the guys that have signed REESTI and saying, y'all,
I don't think I'm as good as these guys. I
believe I am. And so that's that's the impast.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
I get it. But everybody thinks they're a little bit
better than they are.
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Now you you answer all the guys that signed this year,
would you say I UK is comparable to they're different
than I'm and Raw and Waddle When when you when
you look at, respectively, their teams, what their teams acting
to do?
Speaker 3 (21:05):
Yeah? Yeah, a lot a lot of similarities there.
Speaker 5 (21:09):
So if I'm in rows at thirty BA, you don't
think you can get to twenty eight. You don't think
it's twenty eight. They're not even offering twenty eight.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
That's crazy. But why so what is it that the Niners?
I mean again, the Niners aren't paying quarterbacks anything. Obviously,
they have a bunch of money in some other big
name players. Why wouldn't the Niners be willing to go
to that level? And those are you mentioned? Wada Lake?
That's the second best wide receiver on their team, that
that that fits. That's exactly where where bread it is.
Speaker 5 (21:41):
I don't know, I know the Niners. This is this
is how when they drafted Pears in the first round,
the first thing that came to my mind was b
A or DBA won't be there after this season. One
of those guys won't be there, right, And so they
know that it looks like if they're trying to sign Ayuk,
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it'll be d ro gone. If they don't sign I,
obviously they will be da gone. And so how they
figure this out. They're looking down the road. Okay, we're
gonna have to play party. Uh, they just paid McCaffrey,
gave him any and they're looking down who funded They're
gonna have to pay him. They're gonna have to pay
so many different guys that they're they're planning for the future.
(22:27):
But Auk is saying, I am future. So I'm the president.
I'm the president. Pay me now. But there's a lot
of movie parts in this because the way party is played,
you're gonna have to pay him. They're gonna have to
pay him, And can you do that and keep everybody happy?
Because when you have a great team. There's a lot
(22:48):
of mouths of heat. A lot of guys had their
hand out wanting to get paid. And it's a gifting
of the curse when you are good at the Niners,
because the great players want to be paid that way, No.
Speaker 3 (22:58):
Question about you. Judge Manzai was a great player. Here's
a pro bowler with the with the Cincinnati Bengals. He
joins us here. I'm Doug gottlieb in for college. Of course,
you can hear TJ LeVar, Arrington Plexico Burst each Saturday.
I'm Fox Sports Radio shows called Up on Game Two.
Our version of is available in podcast in podcast form.
All Right, I gotta ask you, you're huge Laker fan.
(23:20):
What do you think about JJ Reddick getting the job?
Speaker 5 (23:23):
I mean, for I would say quite a bit. For
some weeks now, the assumption was JJ Reddick was going
to be the coach, So I kind of I used
to JJ Reddick being our coach, do a kind of
curveball with Heurley in there. Obviously that didn't work out.
I like it, and I like it because I don't
know JJ Reddick, but as a player, and JJ Reddick
(23:47):
wasn't he wasn't the punks. He wasn't taking anything from anybody.
And to be a head coach, you got to demand
respect and you got to make sure you can coach
your best players, meaning Lebron, James and Ad. Sometimes I
gotta yell at him. I got you gotta get on
(24:08):
the ass. You have to, because if the rest of
the team sees you talking to him like that, they
gonna fall in line. If he can do that, you
have a chance. Like you cannot let Lebron be lazy
on defense and not call it out in front of
the team. Now, you're not just gonna pick on Lebron.
You're just gonna make an example out of you once
(24:29):
or twice during the season. That's it. And once you
do that, everybody else falls in line. I think that
is the biggest key to the coaches want to be
the friend of the players. Yeah, I can be your friend,
but I'm gonna coach you. And if you can't do that,
then he doesn't have a chense.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
I'll just tell you like I have so my best
player I had practice this morning, and he has developed
a habit because he's oftentimes better than the guys who
reguarding them. If we passed to him, and he just
goes and I was like, look, I'm just gonna tell
you right now, like you've only gotten nice me, You're
not gonna get nice me if you do that today.
(25:08):
I want you to not shoot on the first touch
ever today. Again, transition, somebody throws it up to you
like go go get a bucket, and but you tell
them like you kind of tell them like what's coming.
And then and then if it happens, you lay into them.
You tell them like, look, it's just because it's a
habit I want you to get out of. So I
do think that you can have a good friendly relationship
(25:29):
with a player, even one as dynamic as Lebron James,
and still do your job.
Speaker 5 (25:35):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
But again but and and like, look it's not football.
I think football is way harder. But I mean you
look at at Oakland like being a head coach, as
long as you get people to do the part that
you don't know how to do, and you just lean
into the parts that you do know, and then you
got to you gotta have great work ethic because it's
(25:56):
gonna be a lot. Of course, you can do it.
It's been done in the NBA. Is Steve Kurran ever
coached before. You know, you gotta lean in the parts
that you know and get hire people for the parts
that you don't know. I think the question for them
is what do they add personnelise, because now Lebron, instead
of being a strength, is a weakness for them. Defensively,
Reeves is okay, Anthony Davis was. That's as good as
(26:17):
years you're ever gonna get from Anthony Davis. He was
in great shape. He's a good player, he's their best player.
But what do they add to take them to that
next level?
Speaker 5 (26:25):
For sure, the Lakers, you gotta add players. Like when
you you look at the way Boston won the championship,
they literally had four guys on the court the majority
of the time that can play offense and defense. You
look at us the two way players, you look at
what the Knicks have done and adding bridges, they gonna
(26:48):
literally have guys that can, as you just said, two
way players, play offense and play defense. And so the
Lakers are going to have to add players. And it's
hard because if you can get those type of players,
they're a good players that demand a high salary. Yeah,
they're they're gonna have to find a diamond in a
rough find somebody that we had a KCP and he
(27:12):
went to Denver and played out great defense with three
and d got knocked down the three, And we'll just
played great defense, hit some big shots and clutch moments.
They're gonna have to find some bargains in free agency
that you're like, oh wow, I didn't know he could
play like this because they don't have the money to
pay these guys. But AD's gonna have to have another
(27:32):
year of the way. He's gonna have to play again
next season, the way he just played. He has to
know that. And Lebron's minutes early in the season are
gonna have to be managed so that later in the
season he can really go.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Yeah, And the problem is can you still win enough games?
And this year I think he played that much because
he wanted to set the all time scoring mark. What
about the brownie thing, like, I just I don't know,
it's it's it's in and of itself. I think the uh,
the relationship between JJ and Lebron, you can work through
(28:09):
that one. I'd much rather that than an antagonistic relationship, right, Like,
you can work through that. Can you work through it
while also trying to play his son at a level
he's not ready to compete at.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
I don't I'm not certain. Well, let's just say Broni's
on the team. Let's just say he's gonna get drafted
on the Lakers seven some time or second round. Let's
just say that's the case. If Bronni isn't ready to play,
if he isn't deserving of playing time, you can't play him.
You can't because you're gonna lose respect of other guys
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on the team. Everybody's gonna when lebron isn't around, and
you know he shouldn't be playing, bro why they why
are they playing him? They're gonna talk, They're gonna talk
amongst each other. You can't do it. But if he
earns it, he earns it like the thing I do.
(29:05):
What I don't like is Bronnie can't control who his
father is. His father is one of the greatest basketball
players to ever touch the court. He can't control that,
and so the spotlight that's on him, the scrutiny that
he receives, is unwarranted because Lebron is his dad. It's
a gift in the curse. Like I said earlier about
something but if he earns it, he earns it. But
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you cannot give him playing time because he's Lebron's son.
The rest of the team will talk about that behind
the back of the coach and the players, mainly Lebron
and I think that's how you splinter the team. But
if he earns it, he earns it. If I'm the Lakers,
I'm drafting Lebron, Like, I mean, I'm drafting Bronni Why
(29:51):
wouldn't I Why wouldn't I? Like?
Speaker 3 (29:54):
But you you just said, hey, you gotta find a
dime in the rough, and we can be you can
be critical as you want of, you know, letting Carusoe
walk or some of the other deals. But they've done
a good job for the most part of drafting guys
that have helped them. Yeah, we'll see if Max Christy
ends up helping them whatever, But they've done a good
(30:14):
job in that second round, Like did No one's gonna
draft him. If you don't draft him, you can sign
him as a Why would you draft him when you
can draft a dude who could actually.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
Help you, man, Because that's a chance you're taking because
he's Lebron's son. Like, we live in a world to
have and have nots.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Let's just be honest, like, no, no, listen, I I
I understand. I don't know if it happens in football,
in basketball, in basketball, Listen, in basketball, it's happened, happens
a lot second round has There's been favors in the
second round for a long time. I get it, Okay.
My issue has been, like why I don't understand why
Lebron's talking about how his son is, you know, can
(30:51):
help him more than some guys on their team or
some half the guys. N But I wouldn't. I would either,
I don't. I understand he loves his kid, but like and.
Speaker 5 (31:00):
Have said that. But think if Bronnie James is available
with the fifty fifth pick, take him, and I'm the Lakers,
I'm drafting them. They're drafting them because one thing is
for certain. He gonna work his ass off to be
the best he can be. He's gonna work extremely hard.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
That okay, great, he's gonna work hard, Doug, you know there's.
Speaker 5 (31:24):
A lot of athletes that don't work hard.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
I understand it. Don't draft him, don't draft him, don't
draft He's worked hard, He's worked hard. He's just not
that good. That's no, no, and he hasn't played that much.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
He hasn't He's not that good because he's being compared that,
Oh he's Lebron's son. You got to take into account
the man had heart surgery. So when you come back
from that in the same season, you're never going to
be what you should have been had you not had
that surgery. So you kind of got to it back
(32:00):
into the field of the game type of thing. But
with the fifty fifth pick, I'm drafting them. I'm drafting
him because one, he's Lebron's son. Like, yeah, well, we're
gonna do a little nepotism here, a little cronism here,
Like it is what it is, like you you're gonna
do it. But you can't give him a lame time
(32:22):
that isn't earned.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
Okay, So okay, so here's a here's a legit question
to you, legit question. Okay. Do you think Laker fans
view Lebron as a Laker?
Speaker 5 (32:35):
Yeah? Once? Once? Once that championship. Uh we won in
a bubble. Absolutely, I don't.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
I don't. I don't think I could be wrong. You're
a much more hardcore Laker fan.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
Absolutely, I'm a Laker fan like.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
I know, I know you are. Okay, I would say
it's fifty to fifty on, maybe even less than forty
sixty on. He's not really, He's plays for Lakers, and
I know he may end up playing for Lakers longer
than anybody else.
Speaker 5 (33:03):
In one stretch, exactly what I was about to say.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
I understand, but they's career, I get it. But this
is the Lakers. It's still Kobe's team. Okay, Oh yeah, Kobe.
Speaker 5 (33:16):
Always Kobe started and finished with the Lakers. He'll never
be above Kobe in that sense. Kobe is a Laker
of all Lakers because he started and finished with the Lakers.
Him the Magic Johnson's of the world. Those dudes are lifelile.
They were Lakers. But Lebron has a chance to play
(33:40):
more seasons with the Lakers than any other NBA team
in his career. So why wouldn't he be brought us
a championship? Why wouldn't he be everybody? Oh, it was
in the bubble. You was in the same bubble. You
were in the same bubble. Why couldn't you win? It
excuses only satisfied those who may them.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
I'm just what my point is, like again. If you
manipulate this thing too much where they got a son
on the team, you're not doing great. You pick the coach,
You're not really a laker. I don't I don't know
if it helps or hurts long term. Who's you're the best?
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Man?
Speaker 3 (34:22):
I love talking hoops and football with you. Thanks so
much for joining us in the Herd.
Speaker 5 (34:25):
Yeah, man rio Jo, best player making making get in line,
mister Gottlieb, coach Gottlieb. I love it, baby, Nice talk
to see you.
Speaker 3 (34:32):
Thanks. That's t j Oysminzada, good friend of mine. Wide
receiver savant like he's the guy who all these guys
come to work with in the offseason. Of course, he
also is an up on game which you can hear
right here on Fox Sports Radio every Saturday. It's two
hour show hour live on the radio. Just download the
podcast wherever you get download podcasts. I'm dog Gottliebin for Colin.
Come up next to the Herd. We have saved our
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(34:54):
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Speaker 2 (35:51):
It's almost the end of the show, but that doesn't
mean we're phoning it in. Nope, we grind it the
very last segment. It's time for best for laugh.
Speaker 3 (36:02):
Ah, the best for last, the best for last? What's
the best for last? Today? Boys? I love this, I
love this, this, this debate or discussion that you want
to have.
Speaker 4 (36:15):
Well, obviously you're sitting in for Colin today and Colin's
taking some much deserved time off. But he did chime
in on Twitter on a very important note, and this
is not what he posted a short video of him
talking about the NIXT trade. This might be even more
(36:36):
important than that.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 4 (36:38):
Here's what he said, executive decision. I'll be ordering roasted
chicken and only roasted chicken from this point forward. Homer
away game.
Speaker 3 (36:52):
Okay, so what are we doing? You want to do
chicken hierarchy?
Speaker 4 (36:56):
I think I think, yeah, roasted chicken. It's good, but
it's definitely lower on the list of best ways to
prepare chicken.
Speaker 3 (37:07):
Really really, I mean yeah, in many ways, I am
like the the Bubba Gump Bubba Gump of the or
I'm like Bubba to chicken. You know, I can I
can cook it any way you want. I can bake it,
I can roast it, I can rotisserie it, I can
fry it, I can saute it, I can grill it, right, sure,
Am I missing any other way in which you can?
(37:28):
I mean obviously could do air fryer, but I think
fried is part of it, baked, roasted, rotisserie, fried, grilled, sauteed,
what else smoked? You can smoke chickens?
Speaker 7 (37:38):
Yeah, like chicken.
Speaker 3 (37:40):
I get so much. It's hard to get in the
paper when you smoke. Oh, a different kind of smoking.
Sorry about that. Okay, So, uh, what is roasted chickens?
That's a question to me. It's like, what's theres in
roasting and baking in and of it.
Speaker 4 (37:56):
I'm I'm guessing they're mostly one and the same, is
what he referring to here.
Speaker 3 (38:01):
Baked chicken's fantastic. I don't know if it's the best.
I mean, I would say that most people would say
the most flavorfulest fried chicken.
Speaker 4 (38:10):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (38:11):
The only thing limiting you from liking fried chicken is well,
if it's deep fried in grease and that it's not
good for you. But if we're just talking flavor, nothing
beats with fried chicken, right, absolutely, Okay. I love smoked chicken.
I like grilled chicken. I can sautee chicken, I can
Rotisserie chicken is pretty darn awesome too.
Speaker 4 (38:32):
Rotisserie chicken is, without a doubt, gotta be number two
on the overall list.
Speaker 3 (38:39):
I'll go with that I would go smoke chicken three.
That's just me. I love the flavor of the natural
smoke in there.
Speaker 4 (38:47):
Definitely can't go wrong.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Okay, I go smoke three. And then are you going
are you going roasted slash baked ahead of grilled? I'm
behind grilled.
Speaker 2 (38:57):
I'm going grilled chicken.
Speaker 3 (38:59):
Is the only problem with grilled chicken. Here's here's the
issue with grilled chicken. It can get dry. Sure, especially
if you do individual chicken breasts, it can get really dry.
Speaker 4 (39:09):
But again, but that's that's mostly on the assumption that
there's gonna be some variance on how well it's cooked.
It's not like it's a guarantee that if you put
it in the oven you're somehow miraculously never gonna get
dry chicken. You're just as likely to get dry chicken
if you're ordering it.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
I just I disagree, okay, because if you cook it
in the oven, you're gonna cook it like in a
not a cookie sheet. You're gonna cook it in like
a baking sort of pan, right, and then the all
the grease and oil and stuff collects at the bottom,
so there still is the moisture there. Like you could
overcook it, but there's still the moisture there, whereas when
you grill it, Okay, especially when you grill individual chicken breasts,
(39:48):
the likelihood of it being dry is great, and then
all of the juices have all gone gone into the
actual grill.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
I get your overall point, but I think you're just
as likely because to his point in the tweet.
Speaker 3 (40:07):
Sorry about that. I thought we're with debating, we were
getting debate. I was gonna go into debate mode, right,
That's that's what I'm sure.
Speaker 7 (40:12):
Sure, I think. I think that's just inherent to.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
White breast meat chicken, as you run a high risk
of it turning out dry, regardless of in the oven
or on the grill.
Speaker 3 (40:24):
Uh yeah, I mean I think I saw tang it.
I actually I think grilling it as the highest percentage
chance of it being dry, and casts are very very difficult.
Although I do think that you can grill it and
you can marinate it, and it's the flavor of the
grill is out.
Speaker 4 (40:39):
I mean, on the high end, a grilled chicken thigh
is pretty tough to beat.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
I agree. I actually have some chicken thighs that they
make make grill tonight. There you go, that's a good,
good call. By the way, You're not one of these
guys that do you do? Do you take this? You
do you buy the skinless chicken thighs?
Speaker 5 (40:58):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (40:59):
I mean I do, but it's mostly out of number
one convenience and number two my wife's preference. But in
terms of like, in a general sense, like I have
no problem with chicken that has the skin on it.
Speaker 3 (41:12):
No, I understand, it's just a lot more flavorful.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
No, definitely, but I know, I mean I would discree.
There are people out there that are like, I want
no part of the chicken skin for sure.
Speaker 3 (41:21):
But that's mostly of health, right, not out of taste.
I think some people don't like the way the chicken
skin taste.
Speaker 4 (41:27):
I think it's a texture thing more than anything.
Speaker 3 (41:29):
Oh when do we create all the It's like peanut allergies.
I don't remember people having peanut allergies. Now everybody has
these texture things. I don't like this texture, like, I
don't know. The texture is part of the joy to food.
Speaker 7 (41:42):
One hundred percent.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
I can't take the different textures. Well, then you can
enjoy life. You want everything to be mush, you know,
I don't understand that one I actually think the mixture
of textures is one of the things, and the mixture
of flavors is one of the things that is absolutely
absolutely great. Man, Where are you Jay Stu on this debate?
Are you hopping in in any Are you disagreeing in
(42:05):
any way? Because there's a lot of agreements here and
that we got fried rotisseri smoked, and then the only
disagreement is where we put baked and where we put roasted, roasted,
slash baked versus grilled.
Speaker 7 (42:16):
I'm so inept in these culinary conversations. I feel like
less of a person when I hear you guys talk
about this. I don't cook, never been good at that stuff.
Speaker 4 (42:27):
Are you just like you eat food for fuel? You're
not like that.
Speaker 7 (42:31):
If you're willing to make me food, I'm willing to
eat and I'm gonna love it. But I will say this,
I have been known to stop by the local supermarket
and pick up rotisserie chicken and throw it in some lettuce.
And that's delicious. Rotisserie chicken ish. I think it's pretty underrated,
and it's obviously easy. It's ready made for you right
(42:51):
there at the market.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
I uh, I listen the Ultimate single guy or I
don't know what to buy food? Whoever? Okay, the two
greatest changes in our lifetime as men is one moving
back the extra point in the NFL and whoever decided
to sell these rotisserie chickens for nine to ninety nine
(43:15):
or less where you can just walk in, buy a
rotisserie chicken, and walk out and have a meal. Those
two things have changed our lives more than anything else.
I would say air conditioning, cruise control, indoor plumbing, somewhere
along the lines of top five. I think we solve
the world's problems today. Enjoy the NBA Draft. No Browni's
not getting drafted tonight. Yes, you can listen to the
(43:38):
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