March 24, 2023 • 39 mins
Doug talks about the Kansas State win over Michigan State Thursday night and the individual performance by Markquis Nowell how much more special it was that is happened at Madison Square Garden. Doug reacts to Lavar Arrington's take about Lamar Jackson. Doug explains why Charles Barkley is most annoying on this day.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, right, this is the Doug Gotli Show. Years
in the Bonus with Doug Godli, I gotta knowing about
that Box Sports Radio? Did you watch college basketball? Us name?
Did you guys watch? So there are certain things where
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it's what's the kids say? It hits you different, right,
It hits you different and just feels very very different,
feels very very big, and like sometimes the sports gods
smile upon you. Last night in Madison Square Garden, there
are two games. The first was as good a game
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as you're ever gonna watch in all of basketball. And
in it you had a kid named Marquise Noel who's
a twenty three year old fifth year senior originally from
New York, went to Arkansas Little Rock for three years,
then this is his second year at Kansas State. And
he was incredible. He was incredible. And I don't know
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if you guys know this, but I hold I have
the best and the second best seasons in assists in
Big twelve history. And coming into last night's game, he
was thirty four short shy of it. So now obviously
he's fourteen shy of it's very very much in his sights.
And I couldn't be any happier if that's the kid
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who breaks it, right, because he's doing it in a
way in which is so impressive and fun and just
and important. Right, Like It's it's one thing to to
set records, it's another thing doing it on the way
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to trying to get a championship and in a way
in which actually makes your team better. Like that's the
great part about it. And so yeah, you celebrate. But
what's me is there are just places in the world
of sports where it's it just brings out the best
in people. And there is something incredibly special about Madison
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Square Guard. And it's one of those things where I
get that New York has all its pitfalls, like you
try and go Crosstown. There is no I'll never forget this.
I had a meeting schedule once when I was at CBS,
and it usually took me like an hour fifteen to
get into to the city, especially if you go off
hours from where I was living. And so I planned
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out and I had this meeting and like, let's say,
the meeting was like a ten, ten thirty or something
like that. So I wanted to leave early. I left.
I left a nine eight forty five and again usually
and it was closer to me than where but I
had to go Crosstown. I got caught in such ridiculous traffic.
I like. It wasn't until like eleven fifteen that I
walked in and I'm texting and calling and apologizing. They're like, look,
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it's New York. There's nothing you can do. But you
can take like the trains, and sometimes those run on time.
It was just the weather was bad and they were
backed up and one was late or something like that.
I don't remember. Anyway, The point is that New York
has its flaws. Things are crazy expensive. It's always been
crazy crowded out, although different since COVID. Getting cross town
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is a nightmare. When you go in the summer, it
after a while that the heat and humidity makes the
smell like urine. When you go in the winter, it
can be so cold it's uninhabitable. There are lots of
parts to New York which people have attitude. You know,
you can get everything from the xenophobe to the super
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super woke, you name it. You got everything within the
bounds of Manhattan, everything all right. But they have this
special place in Madison Square guard and you can't explain
it until you play there. It's not actually the same
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building or location as the original Madison Square Garden because
it's not on Madison. It's not Madison Square. It's just not.
But they took the name and they've had the building
there for I don't know, like forty fifty years and
it got redone I'm gonna say almost ten years ago.
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They started to redo every offseason. They put a billion
dollars into it. It's spectacular and it didn't lose any
of the thing that it's got that other places don't have.
Special things happen there. It's just feels different there. It
just what's that. It just hits you different, as the
kids like to say. So when Marquise Noel, who's in
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New Yorker comes back and lights the garden up, it
feels different because it was Madison Square Garden. He played
different because his Madison Square Garden. And to somebody, I
don't know if other if in other countries, there are
places like that. I feel like in college sports and
it feels different in college football at the Rose Bowl,
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doesn't it feels different there. It feels different at LSU
under the lights. It feels different at Kansas at the Palestra,
But Madison Square Garden is I mean, you think of
the moments in your life where there have been other
worldly performances. Reggie Miller's entire career right like like like really,
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Reggie Miller is a Hall of Famer. I think he
was third Team All NBA twice. He's a he's a
great player, hall of famer, Like, I don't know, but
he had the most incredible what was it eight or
twelve seconds whatever, twelve point eight points in twelve seconds
at Madison Square Garden. You do in the Garden, it's
just different. Jeremy Lynn at the Garden, Kobe at the Garden,
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Jordan at the Garden, Kemba Walker at the Garden. There's
something about the lore, the imagery, the location, New York
and City of Lights. It's just different. And while I'm
watching that incredible basketball game last night, that's all I
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could think of is you could play this game and like, look,
the games in Vegas were incredible. We'll talk about Gonzaga
and the two or three different games played within one,
but that deal was about the Garden as much as
it was about Marquise Noel. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three
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pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
iHeart Radio app. Let's get to what the Fox Says,
and now the Fox say every day. This time the
Doug Gotlip Show. In the Bonus Podcast, we play for
you a portion of a previous show on Fox Sports
Radio Fox Sports One. We call it what does the
Fox Say? Here's Colin Cowherd The Herd on Fox Sports Tradio.
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Fox Sports One said this, it's about Zag's head coach
Mark Few Kentucky Duke Knew five star recruits and then
there's like Villanova and Gonzaga and this is what they do.
Three and four star recruits. Guys stay on the team
for years, and they needed him last night. A lot
of juniors and seniors who have been in a lot
of close games, and that's probably why they want It's
why eight in the last eleven years the Zags have
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been at least ranked second in the country and off
in first. A lot of programs collect talent. That's not
what they do here. It is a team. It is community.
It's like a small town family, a small town marriage.
They've all been together for years. Their publicity shy. Kentucky's
a Hollywood marriage. It's all in the cover of magazines,
but it doesn't last. The Zags may never win a title.
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I have no idef they'll ever win a title. If
Mark few Lands and Anthony Davis or a Carmelo Anthony,
then he will. They've gotten very, very close. But I
think it's more impressive than a lot of these big
names that have won a single title. I think Mark
Fus very much like Andy Reid. All the smart people
knew Andy was brilliant, All the smart people knew. He
just never got a great quarterback, a great enough quarterback
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to win the minute. Andy Reid got Patrick Mahomes. He
now dominates the sport. I love Colin, Okay, we are friends,
but he literally has no idea what he's talking about.
He's right and he's wrong. Right. Their team the past
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two seasons had Jalen Suggs, who was a five star
recruit and chet Holmegren, who was the number one recruit
in the country. And you know, they get to a
National Championship game as the best team in the country
a couple of years ago and get beaten by Baylor,
and last year fell a little bit short with chet Homegren,
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like they're get they do do they get a full
team full of one and Dunn's no. But Hunter Salas,
who played last night and he's been coming out the bench.
He's a former McDonald's All American, the highest rated recruit
out of the state of Nebraska maybe ever or at
least in a long time. I mean, the fact is
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that Gonzaga does an incredible job in recruiting. They also develop,
and that would be more of his point. And I
don't I'm not going to sit here and disagree with you,
right Like, but Malachi Smith was a transfer, a highly
rated one. They also have Efton Reid, who's a transfer
from LSU. These are highly touted recruits. Next year's incoming
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class has Dusty Stromer. He's a five star recruit out
of Southern California. Like we act like they that's I
don't know if if they win a national title either, okay,
but the hey, they just have threes and four stars.
Nolan Hickman was a four star, Hunter Salas a five star,
chet Homegren a five star. You know, like go back
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and track these guys. Drew Timmy has stayed in college.
But it's not just because of his development, right, They
had Jalen Suggs is a five star, Julian Struther a
four star, Dominic Harrison didn't do anything. Also a four
star like Ben greg who's starting to play like he
was a four star, a heavily highly regarded recruit out
of Oregon and now in his I think redshirt sophomore year,
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he's become a heck of a player like go back
and look. And Gonzaga has been doing a heck of
a job recruiting at the very top. You know, Drew, Timmy, Anton, Watson,
These are guys. They even had Omar Ballo, who of
course is now a star at Arizona. He was there,
Tommy Lloyd brought him in. He transferred with Tommy Lloyd
when he left his Like it's a it's not a
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statement of actual facts. They're doing a great job of
recruiting the top fives and four star guys. Is it
a little different than the Kentucky field, Yes, the landscape
has changed. They've always taken transfers, right, and Dan dick
Al was a transfer. There are others that have transferred in.
What Mark Few is known for though, is being an
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incredible guy. And incredible offensive coach. And the question has
always been does his team have the toughness to win
a national championship? Do they have the defensive mentality? And
the first half of last night was embarrassing, but the
ability to come back against a team like UCLA was outstanding.
Of Course, it's fair to point out UCLA didn't have
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two starters, right, totally fair, and who knows what that
game looks like if they have all their starters. But
this idea that well, you know, they're not really recruiting
the five stars, what are you actually paying attention to?
Of course they are, and they should. They're an elite
level program. Elite and with the you know, with Tommy
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Lloyd who used to get them their international players. What
happens there? You know, what does their recruiting look like
moving forward? And what does the landscape of college basketball
look like? Because I well, I well, this is where
I agree with with Colin. You get you get quality
college big guys that are not NBA players and they
can stay longer, quality guards that can stay longer or
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for in. This is the new world order, and doing
are doing a great job with it. I'm not gonna
I mean, like look, if he wants to say that
about Gonzaga UCLA, every player on their roster started their
career at UCLA. They don't have any transfers. They're doing
the whole with a communal thing. They have one highly
super highly tattered recruit. It was Amari Bailey, who played
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very well last night, who it took him a while
to figure it out his freshman or because it's harder
to win with freshman than it's ever been, because you're
going against not only transfers, but COVID year, fifth year
and six year guys. Here's Dan Patrick. He had this
exchange with college hoops writer analyst Seth Davis about the
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recent formula to win an NCAA title. It feels like
those teams, those schools that have players who stay longer
than one year, they're the most dangerous. And you know,
Kentucky proved that for many, many years. They would have
one and done and tons of talent and they'd go
on to make millions and millions of dollars in the NBA,
but they didn't have great success deep into the tournament.
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Are we changing the blueprint for success in college basketball? Yeah? Again,
I think that's another thing that's been happening. I mean,
if you look at twenty twelve, the Kentucky champ that
was Anthony Davis, Michael kid Gilchrist. Twenty fifteen was Duke
with Jalil Local for Tias Jones, Justice Winslow. Those are
all freshmen. So those were two freshman leaning teams. Now,
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they did have older players that were there, as you know,
they're kind of glue guys and um and the like,
but they but they were heavily reliant on one and
done type talents. That's really been it. You know, after that,
it's really teams like you know, Jay Wrights, Villanova's teams
and the older uh you know North Carolina team and um,
you know, right right on down the line, Kansas last
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year you got to be older. And now Dan, we're
at a we're in a point where college basketball has
never been this old because of the extra COVID year
that these players are getting so and then their ability
to transfer without having to sit out has I think helped,
you know, sort of water find its level where players
are going to places where they can play and they
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can be exposed and they can have the best experience.
I mean, people talk about the downside to that, but
I think the upsides really outweighed the downsides of giving
everybody the ability to to find the place that fits
them best. That's like more of a podcast kind of discussion.
Mike Ken will join me on my on All Ball.
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I'm gonna tape it tonight. He's how about dis guy's
he played at five schools over seven years and it
ended up with Penn State in the NCAA tournament. But that,
I mean nothing short of remarkable. There's a guy who
played the portal and had coaches fired, COVID year or
whatever caused him to leave several different schools. Fascinating, fascinating story.
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The seth is absolutely right. In terms of college basketballs
older than it's ever been. It's harder with younger players
because that and also, like again, if we're honest, if
we're honest, you have you have the top three or four,
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Three or four of the top ten high school high
school seniors in the country are not going to college anyway.
So when you in a given year in terms of
game changing players, you could actually win big with, right,
Like the elite that Jalen Suggs is, the chet home
runs of the world. First, they're not all going to
Kentucky anymore, and some aren't even going to Duke in Kentucky.
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As we point out, two went to Gonzaga. You know,
we've seen D'Angelo Russell go to Ohio State. We see
like you sprinkle, Kevin Durant of course, went to Texas.
So they're not all going to those And then you're
taking four that aren't even going to college. And then
you're factoring the fact that that the rest of the
players are older than they've ever been and more seasoned
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than they've ever been, and it's harder and harder to
depend upon just recruiting class but elite level freshman, and
then getting an elite level freshman to stay. They all
either want to go pro or the reason they don't
go pro they blame on you, so then they transfer.
Here's LaVar Arrington. He was talking about the media coverage
surrounding Lamar Jackson. Now we are starting to get so
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far removed from who Lamar Jackson is and it's starting
to be replaced with shade, with almost like a character assassination. Yeah,
that's what it seems like it's taking place right now.
It's almost like people are making it seem like this,
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this Florida, Florida guy, This Florida boy is basically he's dumb. Yeah,
he's dumb. Yeah, Like all of a sudden, this brilliant
young man, Like, I've never heard of a dummy being
an NFL MVP. I've never heard of it. Name me
one dummy. It's so sports media. If an athlete does
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something that's out of the norm, if an athlete does
something that people don't quite understand what their approach is,
the first thing to do is to condemn and to
kind of assassinate, make fun of it. Just to me,
I feel like this storyline is becoming disturbing. Yeah, you
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say it weird, and I think weird is a good word.
Disturbing is the one that comes to mind for me.
Jesus Christ, lare what are you talking about? Okay? First
of all, smart people can do dumb things right, and
for example, representing yourself in a capital murder trial would
be a dumb thing for a smart person to do,
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because you can say I can represent myself, but you
know you should do You should get the best possible
lawyer that you can get because that gives you the
best chance of getting a OJ got off because he
had the best lawyers. That's it, right, So with the
same thing, like the same reason you'd have somebody represent you.
No one is assassinating his character. There's been no character assassinations.
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There have been no Hey, he's not a smart guy, right,
not none of it. I mean, if anything, when you
talk about southern and not being you know, as camera
ready or a camera friendly or whatever, like, there were
times cam Newton had missteps and he was an NFL MVP.
Like again, you can be a savant within your chosen
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profession and be a dummy in life. That's very very normal,
you know, That's that's normal for a lot of people.
A lot of people are crazy successful in their field
and they can't they can't pay. They have an accounting
for their taxes. They have a lawyer for their low stuff. Right,
you got a money guy for your money. You know,
you got a car guy for your cars. You got
an insurance guy. You don't do all that shit yourself
because that's what they do for a living. And here's
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the thing. True intelligence. Slavart Alvar knows this because I
know he surrounds himself with smart people for all of
his business. Inventor his business investments. Smart people are smart
enough to know what they don't know, right, And it's
not that he's doing something differently, and and we've far
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are challenged by it. None of it makes any sense.
It's not buttoned up. There's a reason that other people
don't do This's like there's a reason you don't negotiate yourself.
Stuff would get done, money would be in the bank. Like,
this is one of those deals where this is gonna
be a harsh reality. This deal should have been done
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last offseason. Probably could have been done last offseason. And
while you say to yourself, yeah, it would have been
less money, no, it actually wouldn't do because anybody who
has a fucking clue about money knows this. There Now, look,
there's an amount where it won't equal out, but you'd
much rather have the money now than wait. Perfect example
is any money manager in the history of the world.
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If you win the lottery and you get paid out,
was it over twenty five years or you get the
money up front? They all say take the money up front?
Why because deferring stuff, the Bob Boney deferring thing. It's
it's ninety nine point nine percent of the time it's
worth way more when it's paid out immediately and you
simply invested, right, you just put it in an index account,
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and over time you're going to be killing it. I
know the market's been down recently, I get it, okay,
But if you put it in an index account and
over the exact same amount of years that you stretched out,
it's gonna be worth way more. You can live off
the interest. And so the way that NFL contracts work,
that those signing bonuses, all that money is three years
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of guarantee. Most of it would have been paid upfront.
It'd already be in the bank because it had to
be an escrow, you know, so for after ninety days,
it would have had been paid and that would have
been earning money for him, generational wealth. He wouldn't have
had to touch. And yeah, maybe you would have struck
out his ego that somebody else eventually would sign a
bigger deal or whatever, but it would have been done.
And so look, if the if the deal is hey,
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I got this, I'm playing the long game. I want
the guaranteed contract. That's great, and I'm not concerned about this.
Then why do you have some no name dude, who's
your business partner trying to sell a shake weight, going
around to teams trying to arrange a deal for you.
It just looks unprofessional. It looks unprofessional. Nobody's challenged by it.
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Nobody gives a shit. We're just pointing out, here's a
really good player. You know that at times has been great, great.
He does things that no one else has ever done
the history of the NFL. But he in his effort
to do things on his own, it's not buttoned up,
looks hodgepodge, looks unprofessional. That's what the Fox said. Say.
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Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott
Leaps Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app. Let's find
out what's annoying Jason Stewart, and now it's your annoying, Doug.
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I've been homesick for three days, and the good thing
about that is that I could watch a lot of
sports media, consume a lot of content, and I've found
three very good candidates for most annoying Today. This is
I've already brought this beef to the table before, but
I want to get into it a little bit more.
Help me out the name Julian Strouther. Strauther hit the
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shot of the tournament, incredible three pointer to beat UCLA,
and he said afterwards, I guess as kids from from Vegas,
and he said, all the story behind it just being
home down at halftime, come back, take a lead, give
it right back, come right back down and make a
shot like that. It really felt like a movie. And
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I always take issue with this because you know, usually
the next line is you know, you just you couldn't
written this. Get you can't write a script like that.
And my comeback to that always is they once wrote
a script about a snail winning the Indianapolis five hundred,
So anything short of that is well within the bounds
of a movie script. So when I hear these references
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and I have, Julian, no offense to you. It sounded
like an amazing moment. But whenever someone even mentions these
like movie like moments, I think, now a lot more
outrageous things have happened in the movies. It's kind of annoying. Um,
do you find that annoying? Duct No? No, not not
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the love that you do. I respect it, but you
know that every everything can't be made into a movie.
I get it everything can't be made in a movie,
and and of the movie scripts that could be sold,
I would say that FDU and then FAU and Princeton
are more in line with Hey, those are movies I
go watch, not Gonzaga, who's always been has been good
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for the last twenty five years, you know, finding a
way to win a game against a team without two starters.
But I get it. There was some It was a
it was a crazy game. It was it was crazy
that the game flipped. Uca Ley was dominating, then Gonzaga
had at one, and then all of a sudden, Gonzaga
started choking again, and then they found a way to
win it again. That part was nuts. But I don't
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think it's the top rated movie. But it's not as
bothersome to me as it is to you. Okay. I
just wanted my platform on that one. So, um, this
is more along your line. So I guess the Charlie Baker,
the new NCUBA president, sat down with Greg Gumbel and
they played the interview last night on the air and
then and then they brought it back to the studio
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after they played the interview and Barkley responded to it.
So here's a little bit of what Charlie Baker told
Greg Gumbel about how their their plan for the ni
nil situation, and then Barclay's response, I think it's incumbent
on the NCAA to also develop a program that we
believe we could implement if the Feds can't actually put
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something together on their own. The only problem with it
is if the Feds do it, all fifty states comply.
If we do it, we have to perhaps nudge some
states in their collegiate programs into participating these They may
have state laws that don't require that they play. Shuck
is shaking your head? Did he say we go ask
the politicians to help us? See? That pisses me off already.
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Our politicians are awful people. As I talked to Clark
earlier because I asked him about y'all conversation, I would
ask a goal to people who actually care about basketball,
not looking at it. Just said I would put a
committee together. I would love for Clark to be on
the committee. Get some coaches, get some players, and let's
try to work this thing out. We can't ask these
politicians nothing. Those people are awful people. Democrats and republic
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maybe all crooks yet So the annoying part for me
is Charlie Baker, they seem to be really leaning on
the FEDS or whether they have an uphill battle. Any
time you lean on the government for anything, you know
it's gonna be a massive bureaucracy stall and it'll take
forever and it'll be done half as well. Um. So
I'm with Chuck on this. I'm annoyed by the NC
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double a's like first priority on this. Okay, Um, Chuck
is wrong and what he did last night on CBS
is fucked up. It's fucked up. I just I'll just
say it like it is. I and I love Chuck
and he's a friend, and I would you know, I'll
text him and try and get him on in this
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to blanket statement they're all crooks and bad people is
fucked up? Like why would you do that? What is
the point of doing it? By the way, Charlie Charlie
Baker a former politician, by the way, like, what are
we doing? This? Is? I do this on my podcast
All Ball all the time. And I asked because when
I say college basketball coach, if I was to say
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to you, hey, this college basketball coach, you would that's
that's in line in terms of people's mentality, would like
use car salesman, correct, is that Ferret Jason Stewart? Yeah,
that's about right. Okay. Most of those almost very very
high percentage have master's degrees, right, And though there are
some uh what is it? There are some bad agents
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in that, right. There are some bad actors. By and large,
most of them are really good dudes that, yeah, they
want to make a healthy living, but they've been doing
their whole lives and they like helping kids. Like listen
to my podcasts with a mir Abdurraheim, who's the head
coach at Kenne Saw State, and the things that he's
done and the way in which he puts together a staff,
and like he didn't make he makes a couple hundred
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grand a year, and you're like, well, that's a lot
of money. It is a lot of money. But he's
also been in the business for fifteen twenty years and
only now, only recently did he get a head coaching
job at Kenne Saw State, which paid him, I don't know,
probably like a buck twenty his first year, maybe buck thirty.
And he's earned everything he's gotten. That's fucked up. They
are not all bad people. That's fucking stupid. We have
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to quit that shit. That is wrong. You can say
what you said, which is accurate, which is like, hey,
a lot of times things get to politicians and it
gets to bureaucracy. Here's the reality to it. In order
to protect itself. Okay, the only way in which the
NCA and any sort of their current system will survive
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is if Congress grants them an exemption much like all
the professional sports teams of professional sports leagues do at
the highest level in terms of not basically having you
can't compete with them. Okay, you can't. Otherwise all this
shit's gonna get taxed. You guys are talking about things
you have zero idea about, zero fucking idea, Because here's
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the reality. If you're like, if they just make them professionals,
which is what people are pushing for, and get away
from I don't want to, or you continue along this path,
Congress is going to sit there and go like, there's
hundreds of thousands and to millions of dollars being paid
to kids, so they're a professional. So now we're going
to tax them. And we don't just tax them, we're
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going to tax their benefits and The benefits include granting aid,
room and board, all the shit they get, which which
does not allow them. If we cut that all, then
they won't be students. And the whole point of the
entire exercise is so that kids go to college for
free that could never get into college otherwise. Like you're
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actually talking about some shit you don't know anything about. Oh,
we don't want Congress. That's not true, that's not true.
Steroids were a gigantic problem in baseball for over a decade.
What changed that they called those fuckers in front of
Congress and then they lied and it got all exposed.
That's what happened. It didn't go down until Bouco Buco
was an investigate, a federal investigation. Like we can sit
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here and go like governments broke it, vote for different people.
You can sit there and go. There's some crooks in Congress,
no question, no question about it. There are some bad actors,
and they're not all fucking bad people. What Chuck is
doing is what people say. It's like while John Martt, Oh,
they're all just either thugs or want to be thugs
in the NBA, No they're not. Ninety five percent of
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them are good dudes, they go home or they go out,
and then they come back and they play ball the
next day. They don't do that. Don't do that. Do
not do that, because here's what really happens is that
all the politicians are bad except for the one I
voted for. Hey's good. Like no, no, no, all politicians
are bad. Fuck that, dude, No I'm not I'm not
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playing that game. And the idea of pushing away from Congress.
That's when you don't actually know, you don't actually understand,
because what happens is, here's what happens with the meetings
that he wants and the group that they want. Okay,
they get mired in a in a administrators come in
and go like, look, here's the reality to it. Okay,
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I know, you see that we have contracts that will
pay you know, a billion dollars for all the big
ten schools are gonna make seventy million dollars. Okay, do
you understand the operating budget it takes to make all
of this makes sense? And yeah, we make money off
of the attendance at football games. Okay, but there's a
way all of that money gets spent not just on
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coaches okay, and the nil stuff, like all these players
can go in these meetings to go like we deserve
our fair. Okay, you want to be a professional, you
know what the other thing you do, you'll have to
pay tax in your benefits and then you can get
fucking fired. You have all the protections right now of
an employee where you get full but you basically get
full benefits, Okay, you don't get taxed on it. You
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have a very limited time in which you have to
do your quote unquote work for your scholarship. Twenty hours
a week is not a lot. Okay, eight hours a
week in the offseason. You have all the protections that
a union and fight for you don't. You don't have.
You don't have union bills, you don't have union Texas.
You don't have any of the ship that real world
stuff has. And the only way to continue that is
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to get the help and an exemption from Congress. You
actually need them. So how about we stop motherfucking them
and telling them how bad a people they are? Are
There bad actors in Congress? Yes? Are their bad actors
in radio? Yes? Are there bad actors in television? Yes?
Are there bad actors in college basketball? Yes? In football? Yes,
are they the overwhelming jority. No, I won't do it.
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I know too many of them. Shit, my brother's been
doing this ship twenty seven fucking years. Hey, he switched
on the men's side to the women's side. And yeah,
he's got to make a living to support his family,
his kids, and shit gets tight sometimes. Hey. And he's
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got a degree from UCLA and a master's degree from
cal Poly Sain Luis Obispo. Those aren't too easy fucking schools.
And he grind when he said sack state. He was
making twenty grand a year twenty as a full time assistant. Hey,
bounced all around in the state of California, working a
different job Santego stay for eight years, cal for six years. Hey,
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And just like anybody else, puts in the States pension thing.
And when cow chooses to not do it, but Mike
Montgomery wanted to do, which was give the job to
Travis de cour and keep the thing going. Instead they
went and hire Console Martin. Good dude, but wants to
bring his own guy. He had to go find a job,
So now he's got to go move to Oregon. Right,
He's done it. All he's done is tried to work
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with kids and get them a degree, and get them
to the pros and get them say I have a
better life. Is he a bad actor? No, But all
college basketball coaches are douchebags and assholes. No, they're not,
just like all Congressman people aren't. Just like all people
in radio, arn't. I can tell you stories about dudes
in radio and TV like that's a bad human being.
Yes they are. But overwhelmingly the majority, ninety five ninety
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eight percent of the people I know in the business
are good dudes or good ladies. They're cool, they're sports fans,
they want to hang out, they want to make money
talking about something, doing something they love. So let's not
do that with Congress. Just don't do that. I'm not
doing that and I'm not doing the Hey, you don't
need Congress, Yes you do. Congress actually get shit done.
You can't subpoena people, you can't make them testify, you
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can't truly expose it. Is it perfect? No? Is it
red tape? Yes? Is there biocracy? Absolutely? But it's the
only way that any form of the current system survives.
So here's my thing. Charles Barkley, I love you, okay,
You're a good human being. I know Charles intimately. I've
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seen the things he does for other people that he
never wants people to mention. He's a good dude. But
in this case, you're annoying. You're fucking annoying. Doing the
whole plane to the narrative of they're all bad people.
That gets you clicks, that gets you likes, But you
know what it does. It paints a picture of politicians
which is awful and create and creates an amount. It's
the same thing that people do about the media through
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because of Donald Trump. Same ship where Trump, you know,
fake news. None of that stuff is news, so now
you question everything. So congrats, both of you fuckers are annoying.
You and Jason Stewart you're annoying. So um no, I'm
fucking serious. That's annoying. That's wrong. Yeah, it's it's just wrong.
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I certainly don't think that all politicians are dirt bags,
but that's what that's what he said. Yet you give
something the government and it immediately slows it down and
it's done half as well. That that's that's the impression
that I cut out of that. But yeah, I mean,
I don't believe every politicians if the schools could handle it.
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Like again, people are against the NCAA. All the NCAA
is is the schools voting on their so they can't
figure it out on their own. And you have too
many of these other people that all they want is
a piece of the money like that are outside of
the world of academidemia. They can't all get along. So sometimes, yes,
you need government to come in and go, hey, you
guys can't do this shit in your own. Let's figure
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this thing out. I understand the idea. There are things
that the government does pretty well, pretty well. I mean,
I'll give you one. I'll give you one. How many
investigations have we had into the into the into the election.
It seems seems like NonStop. Seems like NonStop. Right have
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they Have they uncovered any massive fraud scheme, any any
have they uncovered any anyway in which there's all these
discrepancies and in elections? I think I think it's been
quite the opposite. I think it's correct zero correct. You
know what that signifies. It signifies to me, like, you
know what, they actually do a pretty good job of
this thing. It's not it couldn't possibly be easy. A
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country as diverse as ours as you know, as bipolar
as ours in terms of some people are in the city,
you got people in the country. Every vote has to
be counted or did it do it during COVID where
you had mail and bill. It's like there's a lot
of shit going on, and you know what, buying large
to all these investigations. Republicans and Democrats like you know what,
We have fair elections so we can be critical as
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we want. And there are government overruns, and there are
red tape and their breocracies, and we do not operate
in a perfect world or perfect representative democracy. I'm not
going to sit here and argue otherwise, but it sure
as shit is better than ninety nine percent of the
other countries in the world. And upon further and further
and further review, it actually is way cleaner in terms
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of our election than anything else. And that's honestly, the
biggest part of their job is to have fair and
open elections. All right, tell me, tell me what, give
me a big Why do this? I do because we
can now this this is very appropriate, Doug. We're talking
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about politicians. So I guess the Florida is in its legislature,
right now and the Florida House Civil Justice Subcommittee met,
and this guy Rep. Will Robinson was doing some kind
of a will call. And he who did this waves
in opposition. Anita Dick is an opponent, waves in opposition,
(38:24):
holding his cock is also an opponent, waves in opposition.
In case you missed that names he read cold off
a sheet, Anita Dick and holding his cock. Oh mad,
I'm yes. And this is where my sophomore in me
is sophomore humor in me is laughing my ball, oh man,
(38:50):
because we can. All right, that's it for in the bonus.
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All right, right, this is the Doug Gotli Show. Years
in the Bonus with Doug Godli, I gotta knowing about
that Box Sports Radio? Did you watch college basketball? Us name?
Did you guys watch? So there are certain things where
(00:27):
it's what's the kids say? It hits you different, right,
It hits you different and just feels very very different,
feels very very big, and like sometimes the sports gods
smile upon you. Last night in Madison Square Garden, there
are two games. The first was as good a game
(00:47):
as you're ever gonna watch in all of basketball. And
in it you had a kid named Marquise Noel who's
a twenty three year old fifth year senior originally from
New York, went to Arkansas Little Rock for three years,
then this is his second year at Kansas State. And
he was incredible. He was incredible. And I don't know
(01:09):
if you guys know this, but I hold I have
the best and the second best seasons in assists in
Big twelve history. And coming into last night's game, he
was thirty four short shy of it. So now obviously
he's fourteen shy of it's very very much in his sights.
And I couldn't be any happier if that's the kid
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who breaks it, right, because he's doing it in a
way in which is so impressive and fun and just
and important. Right, Like It's it's one thing to to
set records, it's another thing doing it on the way
(01:50):
to trying to get a championship and in a way
in which actually makes your team better. Like that's the
great part about it. And so yeah, you celebrate. But
what's me is there are just places in the world
of sports where it's it just brings out the best
in people. And there is something incredibly special about Madison
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Square Guard. And it's one of those things where I
get that New York has all its pitfalls, like you
try and go Crosstown. There is no I'll never forget this.
I had a meeting schedule once when I was at CBS,
and it usually took me like an hour fifteen to
get into to the city, especially if you go off
hours from where I was living. And so I planned
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out and I had this meeting and like, let's say,
the meeting was like a ten, ten thirty or something
like that. So I wanted to leave early. I left.
I left a nine eight forty five and again usually
and it was closer to me than where but I
had to go Crosstown. I got caught in such ridiculous traffic.
I like. It wasn't until like eleven fifteen that I
walked in and I'm texting and calling and apologizing. They're like, look,
(02:56):
it's New York. There's nothing you can do. But you
can take like the trains, and sometimes those run on time.
It was just the weather was bad and they were
backed up and one was late or something like that.
I don't remember. Anyway, The point is that New York
has its flaws. Things are crazy expensive. It's always been
crazy crowded out, although different since COVID. Getting cross town
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is a nightmare. When you go in the summer, it
after a while that the heat and humidity makes the
smell like urine. When you go in the winter, it
can be so cold it's uninhabitable. There are lots of
parts to New York which people have attitude. You know,
you can get everything from the xenophobe to the super
(03:41):
super woke, you name it. You got everything within the
bounds of Manhattan, everything all right. But they have this
special place in Madison Square guard and you can't explain
it until you play there. It's not actually the same
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building or location as the original Madison Square Garden because
it's not on Madison. It's not Madison Square. It's just not.
But they took the name and they've had the building
there for I don't know, like forty fifty years and
it got redone I'm gonna say almost ten years ago.
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They started to redo every offseason. They put a billion
dollars into it. It's spectacular and it didn't lose any
of the thing that it's got that other places don't have.
Special things happen there. It's just feels different there. It
just what's that. It just hits you different, as the
kids like to say. So when Marquise Noel, who's in
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New Yorker comes back and lights the garden up, it
feels different because it was Madison Square Garden. He played
different because his Madison Square Garden. And to somebody, I
don't know if other if in other countries, there are
places like that. I feel like in college sports and
it feels different in college football at the Rose Bowl,
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doesn't it feels different there. It feels different at LSU
under the lights. It feels different at Kansas at the Palestra,
But Madison Square Garden is I mean, you think of
the moments in your life where there have been other
worldly performances. Reggie Miller's entire career right like like like really,
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Reggie Miller is a Hall of Famer. I think he
was third Team All NBA twice. He's a he's a
great player, hall of famer, Like, I don't know, but
he had the most incredible what was it eight or
twelve seconds whatever, twelve point eight points in twelve seconds
at Madison Square Garden. You do in the Garden, it's
just different. Jeremy Lynn at the Garden, Kobe at the Garden,
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Jordan at the Garden, Kemba Walker at the Garden. There's
something about the lore, the imagery, the location, New York
and City of Lights. It's just different. And while I'm
watching that incredible basketball game last night, that's all I
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could think of is you could play this game and like, look,
the games in Vegas were incredible. We'll talk about Gonzaga
and the two or three different games played within one,
but that deal was about the Garden as much as
it was about Marquise Noel. Be sure to catch live
editions of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three
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pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the
iHeart Radio app. Let's get to what the Fox Says,
and now the Fox say every day. This time the
Doug Gotlip Show. In the Bonus Podcast, we play for
you a portion of a previous show on Fox Sports
Radio Fox Sports One. We call it what does the
Fox Say? Here's Colin Cowherd The Herd on Fox Sports Tradio.
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Fox Sports One said this, it's about Zag's head coach
Mark Few Kentucky Duke Knew five star recruits and then
there's like Villanova and Gonzaga and this is what they do.
Three and four star recruits. Guys stay on the team
for years, and they needed him last night. A lot
of juniors and seniors who have been in a lot
of close games, and that's probably why they want It's
why eight in the last eleven years the Zags have
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been at least ranked second in the country and off
in first. A lot of programs collect talent. That's not
what they do here. It is a team. It is community.
It's like a small town family, a small town marriage.
They've all been together for years. Their publicity shy. Kentucky's
a Hollywood marriage. It's all in the cover of magazines,
but it doesn't last. The Zags may never win a title.
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I have no idef they'll ever win a title. If
Mark few Lands and Anthony Davis or a Carmelo Anthony,
then he will. They've gotten very, very close. But I
think it's more impressive than a lot of these big
names that have won a single title. I think Mark
Fus very much like Andy Reid. All the smart people
knew Andy was brilliant, All the smart people knew. He
just never got a great quarterback, a great enough quarterback
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to win the minute. Andy Reid got Patrick Mahomes. He
now dominates the sport. I love Colin, Okay, we are friends,
but he literally has no idea what he's talking about.
He's right and he's wrong. Right. Their team the past
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two seasons had Jalen Suggs, who was a five star
recruit and chet Holmegren, who was the number one recruit
in the country. And you know, they get to a
National Championship game as the best team in the country
a couple of years ago and get beaten by Baylor,
and last year fell a little bit short with chet Homegren,
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like they're get they do do they get a full
team full of one and Dunn's no. But Hunter Salas,
who played last night and he's been coming out the bench.
He's a former McDonald's All American, the highest rated recruit
out of the state of Nebraska maybe ever or at
least in a long time. I mean, the fact is
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that Gonzaga does an incredible job in recruiting. They also develop,
and that would be more of his point. And I
don't I'm not going to sit here and disagree with you,
right Like, but Malachi Smith was a transfer, a highly
rated one. They also have Efton Reid, who's a transfer
from LSU. These are highly touted recruits. Next year's incoming
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class has Dusty Stromer. He's a five star recruit out
of Southern California. Like we act like they that's I
don't know if if they win a national title either, okay,
but the hey, they just have threes and four stars.
Nolan Hickman was a four star, Hunter Salas a five star,
chet Homegren a five star. You know, like go back
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and track these guys. Drew Timmy has stayed in college.
But it's not just because of his development, right, They
had Jalen Suggs is a five star, Julian Struther a
four star, Dominic Harrison didn't do anything. Also a four
star like Ben greg who's starting to play like he
was a four star, a heavily highly regarded recruit out
of Oregon and now in his I think redshirt sophomore year,
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he's become a heck of a player like go back
and look. And Gonzaga has been doing a heck of
a job recruiting at the very top. You know, Drew, Timmy, Anton, Watson,
These are guys. They even had Omar Ballo, who of
course is now a star at Arizona. He was there,
Tommy Lloyd brought him in. He transferred with Tommy Lloyd
when he left his Like it's a it's not a
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statement of actual facts. They're doing a great job of
recruiting the top fives and four star guys. Is it
a little different than the Kentucky field, Yes, the landscape
has changed. They've always taken transfers, right, and Dan dick
Al was a transfer. There are others that have transferred in.
What Mark Few is known for though, is being an
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incredible guy. And incredible offensive coach. And the question has
always been does his team have the toughness to win
a national championship? Do they have the defensive mentality? And
the first half of last night was embarrassing, but the
ability to come back against a team like UCLA was outstanding.
Of Course, it's fair to point out UCLA didn't have
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two starters, right, totally fair, and who knows what that
game looks like if they have all their starters. But
this idea that well, you know, they're not really recruiting
the five stars, what are you actually paying attention to?
Of course they are, and they should. They're an elite
level program. Elite and with the you know, with Tommy
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Lloyd who used to get them their international players. What
happens there? You know, what does their recruiting look like
moving forward? And what does the landscape of college basketball
look like? Because I well, I well, this is where
I agree with with Colin. You get you get quality
college big guys that are not NBA players and they
can stay longer, quality guards that can stay longer or
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for in. This is the new world order, and doing
are doing a great job with it. I'm not gonna
I mean, like look, if he wants to say that
about Gonzaga UCLA, every player on their roster started their
career at UCLA. They don't have any transfers. They're doing
the whole with a communal thing. They have one highly
super highly tattered recruit. It was Amari Bailey, who played
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very well last night, who it took him a while
to figure it out his freshman or because it's harder
to win with freshman than it's ever been, because you're
going against not only transfers, but COVID year, fifth year
and six year guys. Here's Dan Patrick. He had this
exchange with college hoops writer analyst Seth Davis about the
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recent formula to win an NCAA title. It feels like
those teams, those schools that have players who stay longer
than one year, they're the most dangerous. And you know,
Kentucky proved that for many, many years. They would have
one and done and tons of talent and they'd go
on to make millions and millions of dollars in the NBA,
but they didn't have great success deep into the tournament.
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Are we changing the blueprint for success in college basketball? Yeah? Again,
I think that's another thing that's been happening. I mean,
if you look at twenty twelve, the Kentucky champ that
was Anthony Davis, Michael kid Gilchrist. Twenty fifteen was Duke
with Jalil Local for Tias Jones, Justice Winslow. Those are
all freshmen. So those were two freshman leaning teams. Now,
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they did have older players that were there, as you know,
they're kind of glue guys and um and the like,
but they but they were heavily reliant on one and
done type talents. That's really been it. You know, after that,
it's really teams like you know, Jay Wrights, Villanova's teams
and the older uh you know North Carolina team and um,
you know, right right on down the line, Kansas last
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year you got to be older. And now Dan, we're
at a we're in a point where college basketball has
never been this old because of the extra COVID year
that these players are getting so and then their ability
to transfer without having to sit out has I think helped,
you know, sort of water find its level where players
are going to places where they can play and they
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can be exposed and they can have the best experience.
I mean, people talk about the downside to that, but
I think the upsides really outweighed the downsides of giving
everybody the ability to to find the place that fits
them best. That's like more of a podcast kind of discussion.
Mike Ken will join me on my on All Ball.
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I'm gonna tape it tonight. He's how about dis guy's
he played at five schools over seven years and it
ended up with Penn State in the NCAA tournament. But that,
I mean nothing short of remarkable. There's a guy who
played the portal and had coaches fired, COVID year or
whatever caused him to leave several different schools. Fascinating, fascinating story.
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The seth is absolutely right. In terms of college basketballs
older than it's ever been. It's harder with younger players
because that and also, like again, if we're honest, if
we're honest, you have you have the top three or four,
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Three or four of the top ten high school high
school seniors in the country are not going to college anyway.
So when you in a given year in terms of
game changing players, you could actually win big with, right,
Like the elite that Jalen Suggs is, the chet home
runs of the world. First, they're not all going to
Kentucky anymore, and some aren't even going to Duke in Kentucky.
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As we point out, two went to Gonzaga. You know,
we've seen D'Angelo Russell go to Ohio State. We see
like you sprinkle, Kevin Durant of course, went to Texas.
So they're not all going to those And then you're
taking four that aren't even going to college. And then
you're factoring the fact that that the rest of the
players are older than they've ever been and more seasoned
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than they've ever been, and it's harder and harder to
depend upon just recruiting class but elite level freshman, and
then getting an elite level freshman to stay. They all
either want to go pro or the reason they don't
go pro they blame on you, so then they transfer.
Here's LaVar Arrington. He was talking about the media coverage
surrounding Lamar Jackson. Now we are starting to get so
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far removed from who Lamar Jackson is and it's starting
to be replaced with shade, with almost like a character assassination. Yeah,
that's what it seems like it's taking place right now.
It's almost like people are making it seem like this,
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this Florida, Florida guy, This Florida boy is basically he's dumb. Yeah,
he's dumb. Yeah, Like all of a sudden, this brilliant
young man, Like, I've never heard of a dummy being
an NFL MVP. I've never heard of it. Name me
one dummy. It's so sports media. If an athlete does
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something that's out of the norm, if an athlete does
something that people don't quite understand what their approach is,
the first thing to do is to condemn and to
kind of assassinate, make fun of it. Just to me,
I feel like this storyline is becoming disturbing. Yeah, you
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say it weird, and I think weird is a good word.
Disturbing is the one that comes to mind for me.
Jesus Christ, lare what are you talking about? Okay? First
of all, smart people can do dumb things right, and
for example, representing yourself in a capital murder trial would
be a dumb thing for a smart person to do,
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because you can say I can represent myself, but you
know you should do You should get the best possible
lawyer that you can get because that gives you the
best chance of getting a OJ got off because he
had the best lawyers. That's it, right, So with the
same thing, like the same reason you'd have somebody represent you.
No one is assassinating his character. There's been no character assassinations.
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There have been no Hey, he's not a smart guy, right,
not none of it. I mean, if anything, when you
talk about southern and not being you know, as camera
ready or a camera friendly or whatever, like, there were
times cam Newton had missteps and he was an NFL MVP.
Like again, you can be a savant within your chosen
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profession and be a dummy in life. That's very very normal,
you know, That's that's normal for a lot of people.
A lot of people are crazy successful in their field
and they can't they can't pay. They have an accounting
for their taxes. They have a lawyer for their low stuff. Right,
you got a money guy for your money. You know,
you got a car guy for your cars. You got
an insurance guy. You don't do all that shit yourself
because that's what they do for a living. And here's
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the thing. True intelligence. Slavart Alvar knows this because I
know he surrounds himself with smart people for all of
his business. Inventor his business investments. Smart people are smart
enough to know what they don't know, right, And it's
not that he's doing something differently, and and we've far
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are challenged by it. None of it makes any sense.
It's not buttoned up. There's a reason that other people
don't do This's like there's a reason you don't negotiate yourself.
Stuff would get done, money would be in the bank. Like,
this is one of those deals where this is gonna
be a harsh reality. This deal should have been done
(19:40):
last offseason. Probably could have been done last offseason. And
while you say to yourself, yeah, it would have been
less money, no, it actually wouldn't do because anybody who
has a fucking clue about money knows this. There Now, look,
there's an amount where it won't equal out, but you'd
much rather have the money now than wait. Perfect example
is any money manager in the history of the world.
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If you win the lottery and you get paid out,
was it over twenty five years or you get the
money up front? They all say take the money up front?
Why because deferring stuff, the Bob Boney deferring thing. It's
it's ninety nine point nine percent of the time it's
worth way more when it's paid out immediately and you
simply invested, right, you just put it in an index account,
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and over time you're going to be killing it. I
know the market's been down recently, I get it, okay,
But if you put it in an index account and
over the exact same amount of years that you stretched out,
it's gonna be worth way more. You can live off
the interest. And so the way that NFL contracts work,
that those signing bonuses, all that money is three years
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of guarantee. Most of it would have been paid upfront.
It'd already be in the bank because it had to
be an escrow, you know, so for after ninety days,
it would have had been paid and that would have
been earning money for him, generational wealth. He wouldn't have
had to touch. And yeah, maybe you would have struck
out his ego that somebody else eventually would sign a
bigger deal or whatever, but it would have been done.
And so look, if the if the deal is hey,
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I got this, I'm playing the long game. I want
the guaranteed contract. That's great, and I'm not concerned about this.
Then why do you have some no name dude, who's
your business partner trying to sell a shake weight, going
around to teams trying to arrange a deal for you.
It just looks unprofessional. It looks unprofessional. Nobody's challenged by it.
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Nobody gives a shit. We're just pointing out, here's a
really good player. You know that at times has been great, great.
He does things that no one else has ever done
the history of the NFL. But he in his effort
to do things on his own, it's not buttoned up,
looks hodgepodge, looks unprofessional. That's what the Fox said. Say.
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Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug gott
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Fox Sports Radio and the iHeart Radio app. Let's find
out what's annoying Jason Stewart, and now it's your annoying, Doug.
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I've been homesick for three days, and the good thing
about that is that I could watch a lot of
sports media, consume a lot of content, and I've found
three very good candidates for most annoying Today. This is
I've already brought this beef to the table before, but
I want to get into it a little bit more.
Help me out the name Julian Strouther. Strauther hit the
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shot of the tournament, incredible three pointer to beat UCLA,
and he said afterwards, I guess as kids from from Vegas,
and he said, all the story behind it just being
home down at halftime, come back, take a lead, give
it right back, come right back down and make a
shot like that. It really felt like a movie. And
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I always take issue with this because you know, usually
the next line is you know, you just you couldn't
written this. Get you can't write a script like that.
And my comeback to that always is they once wrote
a script about a snail winning the Indianapolis five hundred,
So anything short of that is well within the bounds
of a movie script. So when I hear these references
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and I have, Julian, no offense to you. It sounded
like an amazing moment. But whenever someone even mentions these
like movie like moments, I think, now a lot more
outrageous things have happened in the movies. It's kind of annoying. Um,
do you find that annoying? Duct No? No, not not
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the love that you do. I respect it, but you
know that every everything can't be made into a movie.
I get it everything can't be made in a movie,
and and of the movie scripts that could be sold,
I would say that FDU and then FAU and Princeton
are more in line with Hey, those are movies I
go watch, not Gonzaga, who's always been has been good
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for the last twenty five years, you know, finding a
way to win a game against a team without two starters.
But I get it. There was some It was a
it was a crazy game. It was it was crazy
that the game flipped. Uca Ley was dominating, then Gonzaga
had at one, and then all of a sudden, Gonzaga
started choking again, and then they found a way to
win it again. That part was nuts. But I don't
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think it's the top rated movie. But it's not as
bothersome to me as it is to you. Okay. I
just wanted my platform on that one. So, um, this
is more along your line. So I guess the Charlie Baker,
the new NCUBA president, sat down with Greg Gumbel and
they played the interview last night on the air and
then and then they brought it back to the studio
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after they played the interview and Barkley responded to it.
So here's a little bit of what Charlie Baker told
Greg Gumbel about how their their plan for the ni
nil situation, and then Barclay's response, I think it's incumbent
on the NCAA to also develop a program that we
believe we could implement if the Feds can't actually put
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something together on their own. The only problem with it
is if the Feds do it, all fifty states comply.
If we do it, we have to perhaps nudge some
states in their collegiate programs into participating these They may
have state laws that don't require that they play. Shuck
is shaking your head? Did he say we go ask
the politicians to help us? See? That pisses me off already.
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Our politicians are awful people. As I talked to Clark
earlier because I asked him about y'all conversation, I would
ask a goal to people who actually care about basketball,
not looking at it. Just said I would put a
committee together. I would love for Clark to be on
the committee. Get some coaches, get some players, and let's
try to work this thing out. We can't ask these
politicians nothing. Those people are awful people. Democrats and republic
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maybe all crooks yet So the annoying part for me
is Charlie Baker, they seem to be really leaning on
the FEDS or whether they have an uphill battle. Any
time you lean on the government for anything, you know
it's gonna be a massive bureaucracy stall and it'll take
forever and it'll be done half as well. Um. So
I'm with Chuck on this. I'm annoyed by the NC
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double a's like first priority on this. Okay, Um, Chuck
is wrong and what he did last night on CBS
is fucked up. It's fucked up. I just I'll just
say it like it is. I and I love Chuck
and he's a friend, and I would you know, I'll
text him and try and get him on in this
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to blanket statement they're all crooks and bad people is
fucked up? Like why would you do that? What is
the point of doing it? By the way, Charlie Charlie
Baker a former politician, by the way, like, what are
we doing? This? Is? I do this on my podcast
All Ball all the time. And I asked because when
I say college basketball coach, if I was to say
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to you, hey, this college basketball coach, you would that's
that's in line in terms of people's mentality, would like
use car salesman, correct, is that Ferret Jason Stewart? Yeah,
that's about right. Okay. Most of those almost very very
high percentage have master's degrees, right, And though there are
some uh what is it? There are some bad agents
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in that, right. There are some bad actors. By and large,
most of them are really good dudes that, yeah, they
want to make a healthy living, but they've been doing
their whole lives and they like helping kids. Like listen
to my podcasts with a mir Abdurraheim, who's the head
coach at Kenne Saw State, and the things that he's
done and the way in which he puts together a staff,
and like he didn't make he makes a couple hundred
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grand a year, and you're like, well, that's a lot
of money. It is a lot of money. But he's
also been in the business for fifteen twenty years and
only now, only recently did he get a head coaching
job at Kenne Saw State, which paid him, I don't know,
probably like a buck twenty his first year, maybe buck thirty.
And he's earned everything he's gotten. That's fucked up. They
are not all bad people. That's fucking stupid. We have
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to quit that shit. That is wrong. You can say
what you said, which is accurate, which is like, hey,
a lot of times things get to politicians and it
gets to bureaucracy. Here's the reality to it. In order
to protect itself. Okay, the only way in which the
NCA and any sort of their current system will survive
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is if Congress grants them an exemption much like all
the professional sports teams of professional sports leagues do at
the highest level in terms of not basically having you
can't compete with them. Okay, you can't. Otherwise all this
shit's gonna get taxed. You guys are talking about things
you have zero idea about, zero fucking idea, Because here's
(28:53):
the reality. If you're like, if they just make them professionals,
which is what people are pushing for, and get away
from I don't want to, or you continue along this path,
Congress is going to sit there and go like, there's
hundreds of thousands and to millions of dollars being paid
to kids, so they're a professional. So now we're going
to tax them. And we don't just tax them, we're
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going to tax their benefits and The benefits include granting aid,
room and board, all the shit they get, which which
does not allow them. If we cut that all, then
they won't be students. And the whole point of the
entire exercise is so that kids go to college for
free that could never get into college otherwise. Like you're
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actually talking about some shit you don't know anything about. Oh,
we don't want Congress. That's not true, that's not true.
Steroids were a gigantic problem in baseball for over a decade.
What changed that they called those fuckers in front of
Congress and then they lied and it got all exposed.
That's what happened. It didn't go down until Bouco Buco
was an investigate, a federal investigation. Like we can sit
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here and go like governments broke it, vote for different people.
You can sit there and go. There's some crooks in Congress,
no question, no question about it. There are some bad actors,
and they're not all fucking bad people. What Chuck is
doing is what people say. It's like while John Martt, Oh,
they're all just either thugs or want to be thugs
in the NBA, No they're not. Ninety five percent of
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them are good dudes, they go home or they go out,
and then they come back and they play ball the
next day. They don't do that. Don't do that. Do
not do that, because here's what really happens is that
all the politicians are bad except for the one I
voted for. Hey's good. Like no, no, no, all politicians
are bad. Fuck that, dude, No I'm not I'm not
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playing that game. And the idea of pushing away from Congress.
That's when you don't actually know, you don't actually understand,
because what happens is, here's what happens with the meetings
that he wants and the group that they want. Okay,
they get mired in a in a administrators come in
and go like, look, here's the reality to it. Okay,
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I know, you see that we have contracts that will
pay you know, a billion dollars for all the big
ten schools are gonna make seventy million dollars. Okay, do
you understand the operating budget it takes to make all
of this makes sense? And yeah, we make money off
of the attendance at football games. Okay, but there's a
way all of that money gets spent not just on
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coaches okay, and the nil stuff, like all these players
can go in these meetings to go like we deserve
our fair. Okay, you want to be a professional, you
know what the other thing you do, you'll have to
pay tax in your benefits and then you can get
fucking fired. You have all the protections right now of
an employee where you get full but you basically get
full benefits, Okay, you don't get taxed on it. You
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have a very limited time in which you have to
do your quote unquote work for your scholarship. Twenty hours
a week is not a lot. Okay, eight hours a
week in the offseason. You have all the protections that
a union and fight for you don't. You don't have.
You don't have union bills, you don't have union Texas.
You don't have any of the ship that real world
stuff has. And the only way to continue that is
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to get the help and an exemption from Congress. You
actually need them. So how about we stop motherfucking them
and telling them how bad a people they are? Are
There bad actors in Congress? Yes? Are their bad actors
in radio? Yes? Are there bad actors in television? Yes?
Are there bad actors in college basketball? Yes? In football? Yes,
are they the overwhelming jority. No, I won't do it.
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I know too many of them. Shit, my brother's been
doing this ship twenty seven fucking years. Hey, he switched
on the men's side to the women's side. And yeah,
he's got to make a living to support his family,
his kids, and shit gets tight sometimes. Hey. And he's
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got a degree from UCLA and a master's degree from
cal Poly Sain Luis Obispo. Those aren't too easy fucking schools.
And he grind when he said sack state. He was
making twenty grand a year twenty as a full time assistant. Hey,
bounced all around in the state of California, working a
different job Santego stay for eight years, cal for six years. Hey,
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And just like anybody else, puts in the States pension thing.
And when cow chooses to not do it, but Mike
Montgomery wanted to do, which was give the job to
Travis de cour and keep the thing going. Instead they
went and hire Console Martin. Good dude, but wants to
bring his own guy. He had to go find a job,
So now he's got to go move to Oregon. Right,
He's done it. All he's done is tried to work
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with kids and get them a degree, and get them
to the pros and get them say I have a
better life. Is he a bad actor? No, But all
college basketball coaches are douchebags and assholes. No, they're not,
just like all Congressman people aren't. Just like all people
in radio, arn't. I can tell you stories about dudes
in radio and TV like that's a bad human being.
Yes they are. But overwhelmingly the majority, ninety five ninety
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eight percent of the people I know in the business
are good dudes or good ladies. They're cool, they're sports fans,
they want to hang out, they want to make money
talking about something, doing something they love. So let's not
do that with Congress. Just don't do that. I'm not
doing that and I'm not doing the Hey, you don't
need Congress, Yes you do. Congress actually get shit done.
You can't subpoena people, you can't make them testify, you
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can't truly expose it. Is it perfect? No? Is it
red tape? Yes? Is there biocracy? Absolutely? But it's the
only way that any form of the current system survives.
So here's my thing. Charles Barkley, I love you, okay,
You're a good human being. I know Charles intimately. I've
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seen the things he does for other people that he
never wants people to mention. He's a good dude. But
in this case, you're annoying. You're fucking annoying. Doing the
whole plane to the narrative of they're all bad people.
That gets you clicks, that gets you likes, But you
know what it does. It paints a picture of politicians
which is awful and create and creates an amount. It's
the same thing that people do about the media through
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because of Donald Trump. Same ship where Trump, you know,
fake news. None of that stuff is news, so now
you question everything. So congrats, both of you fuckers are annoying.
You and Jason Stewart you're annoying. So um no, I'm
fucking serious. That's annoying. That's wrong. Yeah, it's it's just wrong.
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I certainly don't think that all politicians are dirt bags,
but that's what that's what he said. Yet you give
something the government and it immediately slows it down and
it's done half as well. That that's that's the impression
that I cut out of that. But yeah, I mean,
I don't believe every politicians if the schools could handle it.
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Like again, people are against the NCAA. All the NCAA
is is the schools voting on their so they can't
figure it out on their own. And you have too
many of these other people that all they want is
a piece of the money like that are outside of
the world of academidemia. They can't all get along. So sometimes, yes,
you need government to come in and go, hey, you
guys can't do this shit in your own. Let's figure
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this thing out. I understand the idea. There are things
that the government does pretty well, pretty well. I mean,
I'll give you one. I'll give you one. How many
investigations have we had into the into the into the election.
It seems seems like NonStop. Seems like NonStop. Right have
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they Have they uncovered any massive fraud scheme, any any
have they uncovered any anyway in which there's all these
discrepancies and in elections? I think I think it's been
quite the opposite. I think it's correct zero correct. You
know what that signifies. It signifies to me, like, you
know what, they actually do a pretty good job of
this thing. It's not it couldn't possibly be easy. A
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country as diverse as ours as you know, as bipolar
as ours in terms of some people are in the city,
you got people in the country. Every vote has to
be counted or did it do it during COVID where
you had mail and bill. It's like there's a lot
of shit going on, and you know what, buying large
to all these investigations. Republicans and Democrats like you know what,
We have fair elections so we can be critical as
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we want. And there are government overruns, and there are
red tape and their breocracies, and we do not operate
in a perfect world or perfect representative democracy. I'm not
going to sit here and argue otherwise, but it sure
as shit is better than ninety nine percent of the
other countries in the world. And upon further and further
and further review, it actually is way cleaner in terms
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of our election than anything else. And that's honestly, the
biggest part of their job is to have fair and
open elections. All right, tell me, tell me what, give
me a big Why do this? I do because we
can now this this is very appropriate, Doug. We're talking
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about politicians. So I guess the Florida is in its legislature,
right now and the Florida House Civil Justice Subcommittee met,
and this guy Rep. Will Robinson was doing some kind
of a will call. And he who did this waves
in opposition. Anita Dick is an opponent, waves in opposition,
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holding his cock is also an opponent, waves in opposition.
In case you missed that names he read cold off
a sheet, Anita Dick and holding his cock. Oh mad,
I'm yes. And this is where my sophomore in me
is sophomore humor in me is laughing my ball, oh man,
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