August 4, 2023 • 24 mins
Doug talks about the big news in college football with two more schools deciding to leave the Pac-12. Doug reacts to Colin Cowherd's take about Zach Wilson. Plus, Doug chooses among deserving candidates for who is most annoying today.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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There's a lot of stories we get to, but I
think the number one one is the covering conference realignment
is super annoying. And I think Jason Stewart has gotten
(00:35):
We're not going to let you have it in your
annoying Jase Dow But if I like, we had a meeting,
you and I on the phone for a half hour,
and we were under the impression at the time the
PAC twelve was going to remain like the PAC nine.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Maybe out a team. Right. That was I don't know,
a couple hours ago.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
And then I hung at the phone and a buddy
of mine's like, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And then you start looking at Twitter.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
You're like, oh, okay, there you go, and now it
appears to be no more. So it's annoying because as
much as we'd like to think all these people get
it wrong, the truth is that in real time they
probably had it right. I mean, like, you know, Joe
(01:20):
shadd when I was at ESPN Joe shadd was what
I believe, who broke the Texas to the PAC twelve story.
He had it right, Texas was leaving there going to
the PAC twelve. What he didn't know was our own
bosses at ESPN, we're coming up with this, let's do
the Longhorn Network thing in order to keep Texas in
the Big twelve because they owned all the rights to
the Big twelve.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Duh.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
So he had the story right, even though Texas ended
up staying in the Big Twelve. Then later I had
the story at least what I what I was told
was right, which is.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
A and M.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Georgia Tech, Missouri, and Clemson were all joining the SECA,
but there was a voting block that kept Georgia Tech
and Clemson out of the league.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I didn't know that at the time when I was told.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I was told that by two people who had both
said their athletic directors came in and talked to their
teams and said, this is what's happening tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
That's how I had the story, and.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I tried to give it to a bunch of other
people at ESPN like here, hopoitated this is not what
I do. You take it and They're like, nah, I
get they all got bitten by that Texas Texas bug,
all of them. They were like, man, I'm not doing that.
This thing's gonna change, and sure enough it did partially change.
Mike Alden, who at that time was the athletic director
(02:38):
at Missouri, made fun of me, I don't know what
I'm talking about, and then of course his school leaves
and goes to the SEC as I had said it would.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I didn't know Georgia Tech and Clemson wouldn't get in.
But it's kind of annoying. Yet end of the.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Day, what we assumed is in fact true. The Big
Ten's going to get Oregon and Washington the Big twelve.
The question is that they get just Arizona or Arizona,
Arizona State, and Utah. Feels like they'll get all three.
It feels like it makes sense if you just get them,
just get them. But that's what it feels like. But
what a weird morning when we woke up thinking, wait,
it's factwel I'm gonna keep this thing together, and now
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they haven't. The other part to the story is people
don't really care as they care because it's college football,
but you know, they just kind of watch whether and
then they make lots of comments about it, not realizing
how it affects their league, their teams, their schools, and
how their sport is is is scheduled played everything about it.
(03:36):
What's your level of give a shit? Jason Stewart, I think.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
It's kind of the same as maybe, like, I don't
even know what the comparison is. I like hearing people
in the note talk about it and react to it passionately,
because there are some passionate opinions out there, so I
like listening to your opinions, but I don't and give
a shit.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think one part that that
helps people give a shit a little bit is that
it is really about business and you start to understand
business evals and what goes into them more so than
just hey, my team is better than your team, so
we should be worth more than your team.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah, And I mean, don't get me wrong, there there
are certain levels of it that are interesting to me,
but it it just doesn't impact my day.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I got you, I got you. I think that's, by
the way, how a lot of people feel. And they
also are like, dude, the back and forth, don't care,
just tell me who they're playing them when they're playing them.
But the interesting part is the schools that get left
out and how much it's going to affect them, Like
you know, Oregon State just they go they're going to
have a good team this year, and their head coaches
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in alum and he's done a nice job and he
just got a contract. Attentionion, he's got a The stadium
is being redone like all those things. And I have
no idea who's going to be in their league next year.
They're going to go from playing USC and UCLA, you know,
and Callent Stamford in Oregon, Organ State in Oregon, Washington
to now likely playing they'll play Wazoo, you know, they'll
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play whatever is left of the of the pack and
then Nevada, Sennego State like, oh, good luck selling at
rents or Field. So I do think the business element
of it is really really interesting.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
And those that those who care, like really care, and
I admire that. I admire people that have a passion
about It's kind of like saw the story today where
there are bees melting in Arizona. The temperature is so
high that bees are melting. And for me, if we
don't have bees, we don't live. Bees are a there.
(05:43):
They are an integral part of our ecosystem, and if
the bees die off, we die off soon after. The
people that really care about that are making a lot
of noise about it. But then there's a lot of
people that are just like, hmm, that's interesting. Bees are
just melting because of the temperature, and then they move
on to uh, what Trump just said.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Or something.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
That the wait bees are melting.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Yeah, google, bees melting. Arizona temperatures are so high that
they're just melting to death.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Wow, I had no idea. Well, yeah, it makes sense
in Arizona. It's been like.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Crazy, crazy hot in Arizona, crazy insane. Hmm, bees are melting.
When you think of melting, do you think of Wizard
of Oz or do you think of Indiana Jones and
(06:45):
Raiders of.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
The Lost Ark.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, I think a Wizard of Oz Fromili John.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It is Wisard of Oz.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
But the Raiders is a good one too.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
But he never says I'm melting.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
It just happens, whereas the Wicked Witch actually says I'm melting.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yes, yeah, yes, made it made it very very clear.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
The the confentary alignment stuff, though, is super weird because
you know, it's like everyone who has some kind of
opinion on college sports, like I saw ja BILLI say,
you know, I mean, look, they want to restrict transfers,
and they want to restrict nil and.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
The Any any argument you can make for.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
The downfall of college athletics you can make from this, right,
you can go you can go to your your stock
answer on what pisss you off about it. So but
it appears the Big Ten will expand and they'll have
a Western contingent. It appears the Big twelve will continue
to expand, and we'll see on the ACC.
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Speaker 6 (08:12):
I don't know how you can look yourself in the
eye for the president of Arizona or Arizona State or
any of those schools and want to stay behind. And
you know, I feel like I'm beating a dead horse,
but I do that occasionally, and so you know, good
for them. They can play on Apple TV and be
streamed and be ignored by the rest of mankind, because
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that's exactly what will happen.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
And they went from ten to twelve. They added Colorado
and Utah. They tried to do fourteen. They tried to
get Texas and Oklahoma, but then the Big ten commissioner,
I think, wouldn't let Texas keep all the money from
the Longhorn Network. I mean, imagine if the PAC twelve
had those schools that they could be a real force.
(08:56):
And it just feels like sleep at the Wheel.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Dan.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
In twenty ten, as you remember, Texas was gone. They
were taking a group of schools with them to the
PAC twelve and Texas decided they were like minded of
cal and Stanford. They felt like their academics match. There
that was that was back in the dark ages of
interclegiate athletics, when somebody actually realized that people go to school,
(09:24):
and that almost happened, it didn't. The Longhorn Network was
born and that was really what led all these other
schools to leave.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
The Big twelve.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
I mean there was you know, between Nebraska and Missouri
and Colorado, all these schools, Texas, A and M. They
all started leaving because of Texas.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
No they didn't.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
That's bullshit. I mean, look, Paul Feinbaum is fucking arrogance.
It's fucking bullshit, right, I mean, look what happened was
the it started with. It started with Missouri openly opening
for the Big Ten. The Big Ten instead wanted Nebraska.
Nebraska leaves Missouri's without a home, and eventually they got.
(10:13):
It was supposed to be A and M, Missouri, Clemson
and Clemson and I think Florida State was it Florida.
I forgive me if I forget the last team. Okay,
it was definitely Clemson was one, and maybe Georgia Tech
was the other. And there was a voting block in
(10:36):
the SEC where you had Kentucky didn't want Louisville, and
Florida didn't want Florida State in or Miami m South
Carolina did want Clemson.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
In, and Georgia didn't want Georgia Tech.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
And they want to be the only SEC school in
their state and Uh, so those schools went away, but
A and M and missoo ended up, and and A
and M basically let the Hens in the henhouse, you know.
And I mean they make a bunch of money, they
spend a bunch of money. They're the same program they
were in the Big twelve. They are in the SEC.
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But by having an SEC school in Texas, it dramatically
changed recruiting in that in the last thirteen years because
it allows you to say, hey, we play in the
state of Texas. When you play at A and M,
changes dramatically. Texas wanted to be in the pack.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Their president was I believe, from California, the same thing
as Colorado. They wanted to like minded, be aligned and
Texas they liked the alliance with USC. They like being
the biggest dog in the in the park. Now, christale
Conte is a different athletic director. And most people think
that Christale Conte had a major role in motivating Texas
(11:50):
and Oklahoma to move to the SEC. But if you're
going back, then that's fucking bullshit to say it was
about Texas. Texas was going to the Back twelve, and
then the problem was the PAC twelve wasn't at that time,
all their rights were not owned by ESPN. So ESPN
offered up the Longhorn Network, and then the Longhorn Network
(12:11):
became like a way to keep Texas in the Big
twelve and to keep Texas kind of, you know, under
the under the umbrella of ESPN. It was a last second,
brilliant move by ESPN. But he's right, they were going
to the Back twelve. They weren't going to the SEC
and they didn't cause the movement. Everybody else did. This
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is LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox talking about Trayvon
Diggs and Dak Prescott.
Speaker 8 (12:35):
Everybody don't like everybody on a team. Like, let's let's
establish that that's not always a gift that everybody likes
everybody on the team. So if he said shut your
bass up, he could have mint it, you know, but
maybe he didn't, but maybe in the moment he did.
Speaker 9 (12:57):
It's also just a phrase to you say, right, we
are drawing back and forth, you know, like I think
it gets blown out. Oh he called us quarterback up,
but you know we like to say.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
That on air.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
By the way, you can't say bitch ass, actually can Yeah,
you can.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I wasn't sure.
Speaker 9 (13:13):
I remember taking the training.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
It's just a matter of personal preference in terms of issues.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
You feel comforable saying bitch.
Speaker 9 (13:20):
Ass like people say that, but we would say that
on air. I mean, now that I know I can
say it, I'm gonna put us some bitch ass all
the time.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
We got too far.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
We can't say that you can.
Speaker 9 (13:35):
Okay, hold on, Lee, the rule book, I know what work.
I was gonna say, You've done this for a while,
so you know.
Speaker 8 (13:42):
I don't know the rule books. I the game longer
than Lee, but I've been in a while. I know
that I know what I can use.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, we talked about this yesterday. I thought that was
funny back and forth between them. But we talked about
this a bunch yesterday. The idea that I get it,
it's afraid it's used, but the absolute truth.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Is that no one.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Would do that to one of the other league quarterbacks,
and no offensive lineman jumped up and put him in
his place. So I get that it's just two guys jawing,
but it felt way different from normally two guys jawing,
especially when it's your your leader, your quarterback, and the
one thing we've been told about Dak Prescott is his
(14:26):
leadership is his most valuable asset?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Well, is that how you treat a leader? Doesn't feel
that way. Here's Colin Kalher talking about Zach Wilson.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
You're looking at salvage the pick. Now, was Zach Wilson
You're looking to salvage the pick, Trey Lance, They're looking
to salvage the pick. What you do is show him off. Now,
I thought Zack Wilson did himself well. Everybody in the
league knows. He's playing with backups all around him. Looked
at ease, easy throws, comfortable, smiling. That's what you wanted
to look like next week or your first game. Instead
(14:58):
of giving him five attempts, you give him twelve, then eighteen.
Show him off. Remember, the trading deadline this year in
the NFL is gonna be bananas. It's gonna be crazy
because four or five teams are going to be tanking
right because they want to get Caleb Williams and Drake
may So. It may be the most active trade deadline ever.
Teams are going to be making all sorts of moves.
And can you find a team out there that starts
(15:18):
three and three, they lose their quarterback. They don't necessarily
think Zach is a ten year guy, but he's got
the best arm on the market. He's played in New York,
he was good in college. You can talk yourself into
Zach Wilson in a fifth round pick. If you've got
a coach on the hot seat, a GM in the
hot seat, you start four and three or three and
four and somebody goes down.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, I mean, I think the problem is that Zach
Wilson is his leadership was really rebuffed last year as well,
and so it's not just about whether or not he
can actually play, it's whether he can come in and lead.
And it's the Hall of Fame game. Let's not go crazy,
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 8 (15:59):
Safe.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
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Speaker 3 (16:12):
Let's find out who's annoying Jason Stewart and now it's
your annoying.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
No one gets annoyed like my boy Jays do take
us home.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
There's a video circulating on Twitter right now Roger Goodell
giving kind of like one of those bro hugs to
Deshaun Watson at a Hall of Fame function. I think
it was from last night, and you know, it's getting
made fun of on Twitter, and I'm kind of with this, like,
how exactly do you do you go from telling the
(16:50):
world that you have a serial predator as quarterback in
your league and the when he's talking about the ruling
that the arbitrator made on the case. So when you're
doing a bro hugger, you like, Hey, that whole serial
predator thing, man, I you know, hopefully you know we
can compare the hatchet.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I mean, I think it's for optics, but it is weird, right,
serial predator and then all of a sudden bro hug.
I almost feel like Deshaun Watson maybe wasn't aware of
the comments, but that's probably where the weirdness of the
But you're hugging the guy who just called you a
serial predator, that's weird too.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
There's so much that goes into that, Like, there's just
so much that goes into that hug. I mean, it's
amazing to me. So last night I'm on Twitter and
but the lights went out at the Hall of Fame game.
I guess that the Hall of Fame game had a
bunch of logistical errors. But the lights went out at
some point, and then the cameras focused on Aaron Rodgers.
(17:53):
As the lights were out. You should have seen the
amount of former blue check mark people in our industry
racing to tell the same joke. If you don't believe me,
go on to Twitter right now and type in darkness
retreat hall of Fame game, so to post a picture
(18:15):
of him in the dark and to say Aaron Rodgers
in his darkness retreat. Everybody who sent out that that
they were the first person that did it, and they
thought they were funny. But I think it speaks to
how unimagined. It speaks to two things that annoy me,
how unimaginative people who cover the NFL are and how
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funny they think they are. And then also you have
to post something like, in other words, the policy last
night as soon as that happened was I have to
post something about this, like the or or I don't exist?
So Andrew the Ceciliano's of the world, and what's the
(18:56):
what's the woman on ESPN, mina chimes and all the like,
you know, pseudo stars that cover the NFL have to
tell the same joke. I thought it was funny, but
it annoyed the hell out of me, just the way
that this whole thing lack creativity and the fact that
you can't not post something like you had to do it.
(19:19):
Hundreds of people in the industry just had to tell
the same joke. I guess Johnny Manziel fascinating story. I
think he's got a documentary coming out on Netflix. I
want to say, so this is where this is from.
I guess he tried to commit suicide. Nothing funny about that.
He on oxy cotton and another drug, and then he
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tried to drink himself to death, and then he spent
all of his money leading up to it, and it
It kind of struck a nerve with me because I've
always had a problem with this cliche and when I
hear it, I always like roll my eyes. When some
somebody says, hey, live your life like there's no tomorrow,
(20:07):
I call bullshit on that, because if I personally dug
were to live my life like there was no tomorrow,
I would do exactly what Johnny Manzel did. I would
go on a drinking binge. I would fuck everything that
moves and I would spend all my money. That's not
a sustainable way to live a life. So when somebody
says live your life like there's no tomorrow, just call
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bullshit on that.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Uh, that's amazing. Okay.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
There's a couple of things though there, Like, do we
really think that Johnny Menzel attempted suicide?
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I have no reason to not believe him. But I
haven't seen that documentary, so maybe the context is needed.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Right, I'm like, I don't know, I just I get it.
You know, cocaine and what was the other thing that
he was hooked at? Cocaine and oxy that's that whoo
that sounds like a lot. So I mean, look, I'm
gonna tell you something that people aren't gonna want to hear,
but I love that it is rang true. Did you
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see that Johnny Manziela's just opened up a bar like
fifteen minutes from campus.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Yes, Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
My stance on.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Nil is was has always been that all these people
that were screaming for athletes to get paid in college,
and I do think that there should have been a
way in which, you know, you can have a little
bit more in your pocket to roll around in or whatever.
But you've never really needed, you know, money in college, right,
(21:35):
Like all this money, all these car accidents and car
tickets and speeding tickets or whatever, like it's all because
all these guys have brand new cars and they're above
the level of what anyone should be driving when they're
in college. Right, But I do think there should have
been some form of ability to Hey, if a dealership
for two wants to sponsor the team, you know they
can drive cars. I don't know, but the actual giving
(21:58):
of money, Like, guys aren't going to end up with
any of that money. Yes, some of the people at
home wind up with it. Agents wind up with it.
Kids will find a way to spend it. The real
nil is what Johnny Manziel is. He's been an abject disaster, disappointment,
embarrassment to all things text, A and M since he
left school, and yet he's still Johnny Football. They'll always
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welcome him back. Why because he was great at A
and M. And that's where the real like, what is
what am I getting out him out of going to college? Well,
you're you're getting a potential for a degree which many
of us could not get into those level schools, and
you're kind of taking care of for life.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Menzel was the one percent of one percent.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
And you know he took all that money from signing
autographs and do all the other stuff when he's in college,
and you know, at the end of the day, this
was always waiting for him. There was always a pot
of gold for him. But the downfall story is utterly
and completely predictable. Sad, but utterly and completely predictable.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
So those three items, I've got bro hug from Goodell,
and then I've got the people racing to tell the
same joke about darkness retreat. And then I've got the
Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Deal, Uh, Johnny Monaziel's annoying or or it's annoying because
you live your life like there's no tomorrow, and as.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
A bullshit cliche, that's what I'm annoyed by. You were
annoyed by the nil aspect of it.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Well, there is no tomorrow when you if you're going
to do oxy and cocaine though, right, yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Why is it a bullshit? Why is it a bullshit cliche?
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Because there's no way that living your life every day
like there's no tomorrow is sustainable.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
That that is I agree. What were the other.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Two uh bro hug from Goodell Yeah yeah, and people
racing until the same darkness joke.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
People racing until the same darkness joke. It's like, we
get it. We're all kind of some level of clever.
And I've been a part of that too, where we're
all watching the same thing and you want to and
then you're just like, you know what it's done. Somebody
else came up with it. To all you Twitter warriors
out there, you're.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
All right.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
That's it for the end the Bonus Podcast. Have yourself
a great weekend. Obviously, we're getting more and more clarity
on conferences and we're gonna get more and more football.
Next week is a football game week for preseason football, right.
That's awesome. So we're getting there step by step by step.
Plus we'll see if the Angels can blow yet another
surefire win. All that's coming up on future editions in
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the Bonus I'm Doug Gothliic.
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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There's a lot of stories we get to, but I
think the number one one is the covering conference realignment
is super annoying. And I think Jason Stewart has gotten
(00:35):
We're not going to let you have it in your
annoying Jase Dow But if I like, we had a meeting,
you and I on the phone for a half hour,
and we were under the impression at the time the
PAC twelve was going to remain like the PAC nine.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Maybe out a team. Right. That was I don't know,
a couple hours ago.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
And then I hung at the phone and a buddy
of mine's like, what do you think?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
And then you start looking at Twitter.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
You're like, oh, okay, there you go, and now it
appears to be no more. So it's annoying because as
much as we'd like to think all these people get
it wrong, the truth is that in real time they
probably had it right. I mean, like, you know, Joe
(01:20):
shadd when I was at ESPN Joe shadd was what
I believe, who broke the Texas to the PAC twelve story.
He had it right, Texas was leaving there going to
the PAC twelve. What he didn't know was our own
bosses at ESPN, we're coming up with this, let's do
the Longhorn Network thing in order to keep Texas in
the Big twelve because they owned all the rights to
the Big twelve.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
Duh.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
So he had the story right, even though Texas ended
up staying in the Big Twelve. Then later I had
the story at least what I what I was told
was right, which is.
Speaker 2 (01:55):
A and M.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Georgia Tech, Missouri, and Clemson were all joining the SECA,
but there was a voting block that kept Georgia Tech
and Clemson out of the league.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
I didn't know that at the time when I was told.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I was told that by two people who had both
said their athletic directors came in and talked to their
teams and said, this is what's happening tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
That's how I had the story, and.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I tried to give it to a bunch of other
people at ESPN like here, hopoitated this is not what
I do. You take it and They're like, nah, I
get they all got bitten by that Texas Texas bug,
all of them. They were like, man, I'm not doing that.
This thing's gonna change, and sure enough it did partially change.
Mike Alden, who at that time was the athletic director
(02:38):
at Missouri, made fun of me, I don't know what
I'm talking about, and then of course his school leaves
and goes to the SEC as I had said it would.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
I didn't know Georgia Tech and Clemson wouldn't get in.
But it's kind of annoying. Yet end of the.
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Day, what we assumed is in fact true. The Big
Ten's going to get Oregon and Washington the Big twelve.
The question is that they get just Arizona or Arizona,
Arizona State, and Utah. Feels like they'll get all three.
It feels like it makes sense if you just get them,
just get them. But that's what it feels like. But
what a weird morning when we woke up thinking, wait,
it's factwel I'm gonna keep this thing together, and now
(03:14):
they haven't. The other part to the story is people
don't really care as they care because it's college football,
but you know, they just kind of watch whether and
then they make lots of comments about it, not realizing
how it affects their league, their teams, their schools, and
how their sport is is is scheduled played everything about it.
(03:36):
What's your level of give a shit? Jason Stewart, I think.
Speaker 4 (03:41):
It's kind of the same as maybe, like, I don't
even know what the comparison is. I like hearing people
in the note talk about it and react to it passionately,
because there are some passionate opinions out there, so I
like listening to your opinions, but I don't and give
a shit.
Speaker 3 (04:01):
Yeah, yeah, I think I think one part that that
helps people give a shit a little bit is that
it is really about business and you start to understand
business evals and what goes into them more so than
just hey, my team is better than your team, so
we should be worth more than your team.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah, And I mean, don't get me wrong, there there
are certain levels of it that are interesting to me,
but it it just doesn't impact my day.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I got you, I got you. I think that's, by
the way, how a lot of people feel. And they
also are like, dude, the back and forth, don't care,
just tell me who they're playing them when they're playing them.
But the interesting part is the schools that get left
out and how much it's going to affect them, Like
you know, Oregon State just they go they're going to
have a good team this year, and their head coaches
(04:45):
in alum and he's done a nice job and he
just got a contract. Attentionion, he's got a The stadium
is being redone like all those things. And I have
no idea who's going to be in their league next year.
They're going to go from playing USC and UCLA, you know,
and Callent Stamford in Oregon, Organ State in Oregon, Washington
to now likely playing they'll play Wazoo, you know, they'll
(05:07):
play whatever is left of the of the pack and
then Nevada, Sennego State like, oh, good luck selling at
rents or Field. So I do think the business element
of it is really really interesting.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
And those that those who care, like really care, and
I admire that. I admire people that have a passion
about It's kind of like saw the story today where
there are bees melting in Arizona. The temperature is so
high that bees are melting. And for me, if we
don't have bees, we don't live. Bees are a there.
(05:43):
They are an integral part of our ecosystem, and if
the bees die off, we die off soon after. The
people that really care about that are making a lot
of noise about it. But then there's a lot of
people that are just like, hmm, that's interesting. Bees are
just melting because of the temperature, and then they move
on to uh, what Trump just said.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Or something.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
That the wait bees are melting.
Speaker 4 (06:09):
Yeah, google, bees melting. Arizona temperatures are so high that
they're just melting to death.
Speaker 2 (06:18):
Wow, I had no idea. Well, yeah, it makes sense
in Arizona. It's been like.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
Crazy, crazy hot in Arizona, crazy insane. Hmm, bees are melting.
When you think of melting, do you think of Wizard
of Oz or do you think of Indiana Jones and
(06:45):
Raiders of.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
The Lost Ark.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Yeah, I think a Wizard of Oz Fromili John.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
It is Wisard of Oz.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
But the Raiders is a good one too.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
But he never says I'm melting.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
It just happens, whereas the Wicked Witch actually says I'm melting.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yes, yeah, yes, made it made it very very clear.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
The the confentary alignment stuff, though, is super weird because
you know, it's like everyone who has some kind of
opinion on college sports, like I saw ja BILLI say,
you know, I mean, look, they want to restrict transfers,
and they want to restrict nil and.
Speaker 2 (07:20):
The Any any argument you can make for.
Speaker 3 (07:22):
The downfall of college athletics you can make from this, right,
you can go you can go to your your stock
answer on what pisss you off about it. So but
it appears the Big Ten will expand and they'll have
a Western contingent. It appears the Big twelve will continue
to expand, and we'll see on the ACC.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
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Speaker 2 (07:54):
Let's get to the Fox and Now what does Fox
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Speaker 3 (08:02):
In the Bonus Podcast, we like to share with you
something we heard or saw earlier today on Fox Sports
Tradio Fox Sports One. Here's Dan Patrick talk with Paul
Finbaum this morning.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
I don't know how you can look yourself in the
eye for the president of Arizona or Arizona State or
any of those schools and want to stay behind. And
you know, I feel like I'm beating a dead horse,
but I do that occasionally, and so you know, good
for them. They can play on Apple TV and be
streamed and be ignored by the rest of mankind, because
(08:33):
that's exactly what will happen.
Speaker 7 (08:35):
And they went from ten to twelve. They added Colorado
and Utah. They tried to do fourteen. They tried to
get Texas and Oklahoma, but then the Big ten commissioner,
I think, wouldn't let Texas keep all the money from
the Longhorn Network. I mean, imagine if the PAC twelve
had those schools that they could be a real force.
(08:56):
And it just feels like sleep at the Wheel.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
Dan.
Speaker 6 (09:00):
In twenty ten, as you remember, Texas was gone. They
were taking a group of schools with them to the
PAC twelve and Texas decided they were like minded of
cal and Stanford. They felt like their academics match. There
that was that was back in the dark ages of
interclegiate athletics, when somebody actually realized that people go to school,
(09:24):
and that almost happened, it didn't. The Longhorn Network was
born and that was really what led all these other
schools to leave.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
The Big twelve.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
I mean there was you know, between Nebraska and Missouri
and Colorado, all these schools, Texas, A and M. They
all started leaving because of Texas.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
No they didn't.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
That's bullshit. I mean, look, Paul Feinbaum is fucking arrogance.
It's fucking bullshit, right, I mean, look what happened was
the it started with. It started with Missouri openly opening
for the Big Ten. The Big Ten instead wanted Nebraska.
Nebraska leaves Missouri's without a home, and eventually they got.
(10:13):
It was supposed to be A and M, Missouri, Clemson
and Clemson and I think Florida State was it Florida.
I forgive me if I forget the last team. Okay,
it was definitely Clemson was one, and maybe Georgia Tech
was the other. And there was a voting block in
(10:36):
the SEC where you had Kentucky didn't want Louisville, and
Florida didn't want Florida State in or Miami m South
Carolina did want Clemson.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
In, and Georgia didn't want Georgia Tech.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
And they want to be the only SEC school in
their state and Uh, so those schools went away, but
A and M and missoo ended up, and and A
and M basically let the Hens in the henhouse, you know.
And I mean they make a bunch of money, they
spend a bunch of money. They're the same program they
were in the Big twelve. They are in the SEC.
(11:09):
But by having an SEC school in Texas, it dramatically
changed recruiting in that in the last thirteen years because
it allows you to say, hey, we play in the
state of Texas. When you play at A and M,
changes dramatically. Texas wanted to be in the pack.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
You know.
Speaker 3 (11:29):
Their president was I believe, from California, the same thing
as Colorado. They wanted to like minded, be aligned and
Texas they liked the alliance with USC. They like being
the biggest dog in the in the park. Now, christale
Conte is a different athletic director. And most people think
that Christale Conte had a major role in motivating Texas
(11:50):
and Oklahoma to move to the SEC. But if you're
going back, then that's fucking bullshit to say it was
about Texas. Texas was going to the Back twelve, and
then the problem was the PAC twelve wasn't at that time,
all their rights were not owned by ESPN. So ESPN
offered up the Longhorn Network, and then the Longhorn Network
(12:11):
became like a way to keep Texas in the Big
twelve and to keep Texas kind of, you know, under
the under the umbrella of ESPN. It was a last second,
brilliant move by ESPN. But he's right, they were going
to the Back twelve. They weren't going to the SEC
and they didn't cause the movement. Everybody else did. This
(12:31):
is LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, Jonas Knox talking about Trayvon
Diggs and Dak Prescott.
Speaker 8 (12:35):
Everybody don't like everybody on a team. Like, let's let's
establish that that's not always a gift that everybody likes
everybody on the team. So if he said shut your
bass up, he could have mint it, you know, but
maybe he didn't, but maybe in the moment he did.
Speaker 9 (12:57):
It's also just a phrase to you say, right, we
are drawing back and forth, you know, like I think
it gets blown out. Oh he called us quarterback up,
but you know we like to say.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
That on air.
Speaker 8 (13:07):
By the way, you can't say bitch ass, actually can Yeah,
you can.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I wasn't sure.
Speaker 9 (13:13):
I remember taking the training.
Speaker 8 (13:15):
It's just a matter of personal preference in terms of issues.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
You feel comforable saying bitch.
Speaker 9 (13:20):
Ass like people say that, but we would say that
on air. I mean, now that I know I can
say it, I'm gonna put us some bitch ass all
the time.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
We got too far.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
We can't say that you can.
Speaker 9 (13:35):
Okay, hold on, Lee, the rule book, I know what work.
I was gonna say, You've done this for a while,
so you know.
Speaker 8 (13:42):
I don't know the rule books. I the game longer
than Lee, but I've been in a while. I know
that I know what I can use.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yeah, we talked about this yesterday. I thought that was
funny back and forth between them. But we talked about
this a bunch yesterday. The idea that I get it,
it's afraid it's used, but the absolute truth.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Is that no one.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Would do that to one of the other league quarterbacks,
and no offensive lineman jumped up and put him in
his place. So I get that it's just two guys jawing,
but it felt way different from normally two guys jawing,
especially when it's your your leader, your quarterback, and the
one thing we've been told about Dak Prescott is his
(14:26):
leadership is his most valuable asset?
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Well, is that how you treat a leader? Doesn't feel
that way. Here's Colin Kalher talking about Zach Wilson.
Speaker 5 (14:35):
You're looking at salvage the pick. Now, was Zach Wilson
You're looking to salvage the pick, Trey Lance, They're looking
to salvage the pick. What you do is show him off. Now,
I thought Zack Wilson did himself well. Everybody in the
league knows. He's playing with backups all around him. Looked
at ease, easy throws, comfortable, smiling. That's what you wanted
to look like next week or your first game. Instead
(14:58):
of giving him five attempts, you give him twelve, then eighteen.
Show him off. Remember, the trading deadline this year in
the NFL is gonna be bananas. It's gonna be crazy
because four or five teams are going to be tanking
right because they want to get Caleb Williams and Drake
may So. It may be the most active trade deadline ever.
Teams are going to be making all sorts of moves.
And can you find a team out there that starts
(15:18):
three and three, they lose their quarterback. They don't necessarily
think Zach is a ten year guy, but he's got
the best arm on the market. He's played in New York,
he was good in college. You can talk yourself into
Zach Wilson in a fifth round pick. If you've got
a coach on the hot seat, a GM in the
hot seat, you start four and three or three and
four and somebody goes down.
Speaker 3 (15:42):
Yeah, I mean, I think the problem is that Zach
Wilson is his leadership was really rebuffed last year as well,
and so it's not just about whether or not he
can actually play, it's whether he can come in and lead.
And it's the Hall of Fame game. Let's not go crazy,
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 8 (15:59):
Safe.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Let's find out who's annoying Jason Stewart and now it's
your annoying.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
No one gets annoyed like my boy Jays do take
us home.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
There's a video circulating on Twitter right now Roger Goodell
giving kind of like one of those bro hugs to
Deshaun Watson at a Hall of Fame function. I think
it was from last night, and you know, it's getting
made fun of on Twitter, and I'm kind of with this, like,
how exactly do you do you go from telling the
(16:50):
world that you have a serial predator as quarterback in
your league and the when he's talking about the ruling
that the arbitrator made on the case. So when you're
doing a bro hugger, you like, Hey, that whole serial
predator thing, man, I you know, hopefully you know we
can compare the hatchet.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I mean, I think it's for optics, but it is weird, right,
serial predator and then all of a sudden bro hug.
I almost feel like Deshaun Watson maybe wasn't aware of
the comments, but that's probably where the weirdness of the
But you're hugging the guy who just called you a
serial predator, that's weird too.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
There's so much that goes into that, Like, there's just
so much that goes into that hug. I mean, it's
amazing to me. So last night I'm on Twitter and
but the lights went out at the Hall of Fame game.
I guess that the Hall of Fame game had a
bunch of logistical errors. But the lights went out at
some point, and then the cameras focused on Aaron Rodgers.
(17:53):
As the lights were out. You should have seen the
amount of former blue check mark people in our industry
racing to tell the same joke. If you don't believe me,
go on to Twitter right now and type in darkness
retreat hall of Fame game, so to post a picture
(18:15):
of him in the dark and to say Aaron Rodgers
in his darkness retreat. Everybody who sent out that that
they were the first person that did it, and they
thought they were funny. But I think it speaks to
how unimagined. It speaks to two things that annoy me,
how unimaginative people who cover the NFL are and how
(18:36):
funny they think they are. And then also you have
to post something like, in other words, the policy last
night as soon as that happened was I have to
post something about this, like the or or I don't exist?
So Andrew the Ceciliano's of the world, and what's the
(18:56):
what's the woman on ESPN, mina chimes and all the like,
you know, pseudo stars that cover the NFL have to
tell the same joke. I thought it was funny, but
it annoyed the hell out of me, just the way
that this whole thing lack creativity and the fact that
you can't not post something like you had to do it.
(19:19):
Hundreds of people in the industry just had to tell
the same joke. I guess Johnny Manziel fascinating story. I
think he's got a documentary coming out on Netflix. I
want to say, so this is where this is from.
I guess he tried to commit suicide. Nothing funny about that.
He on oxy cotton and another drug, and then he
(19:42):
tried to drink himself to death, and then he spent
all of his money leading up to it, and it
It kind of struck a nerve with me because I've
always had a problem with this cliche and when I
hear it, I always like roll my eyes. When some
somebody says, hey, live your life like there's no tomorrow,
(20:07):
I call bullshit on that, because if I personally dug
were to live my life like there was no tomorrow,
I would do exactly what Johnny Manzel did. I would
go on a drinking binge. I would fuck everything that
moves and I would spend all my money. That's not
a sustainable way to live a life. So when somebody
says live your life like there's no tomorrow, just call
(20:27):
bullshit on that.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Uh, that's amazing. Okay.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
There's a couple of things though there, Like, do we
really think that Johnny Menzel attempted suicide?
Speaker 4 (20:41):
I have no reason to not believe him. But I
haven't seen that documentary, so maybe the context is needed.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Right, I'm like, I don't know, I just I get it.
You know, cocaine and what was the other thing that
he was hooked at? Cocaine and oxy that's that whoo
that sounds like a lot. So I mean, look, I'm
gonna tell you something that people aren't gonna want to hear,
but I love that it is rang true. Did you
(21:07):
see that Johnny Manziela's just opened up a bar like
fifteen minutes from campus.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
Yes, Okay.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
My stance on.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
Nil is was has always been that all these people
that were screaming for athletes to get paid in college,
and I do think that there should have been a
way in which, you know, you can have a little
bit more in your pocket to roll around in or whatever.
But you've never really needed, you know, money in college, right,
(21:35):
Like all this money, all these car accidents and car
tickets and speeding tickets or whatever, like it's all because
all these guys have brand new cars and they're above
the level of what anyone should be driving when they're
in college. Right, But I do think there should have
been some form of ability to Hey, if a dealership
for two wants to sponsor the team, you know they
can drive cars. I don't know, but the actual giving
(21:58):
of money, Like, guys aren't going to end up with
any of that money. Yes, some of the people at
home wind up with it. Agents wind up with it.
Kids will find a way to spend it. The real
nil is what Johnny Manziel is. He's been an abject disaster, disappointment,
embarrassment to all things text, A and M since he
left school, and yet he's still Johnny Football. They'll always
(22:19):
welcome him back. Why because he was great at A
and M. And that's where the real like, what is
what am I getting out him out of going to college? Well,
you're you're getting a potential for a degree which many
of us could not get into those level schools, and
you're kind of taking care of for life.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Menzel was the one percent of one percent.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
And you know he took all that money from signing
autographs and do all the other stuff when he's in college,
and you know, at the end of the day, this
was always waiting for him. There was always a pot
of gold for him. But the downfall story is utterly
and completely predictable. Sad, but utterly and completely predictable.
Speaker 4 (22:59):
So those three items, I've got bro hug from Goodell,
and then I've got the people racing to tell the
same joke about darkness retreat. And then I've got the
Johnny Manziel.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Deal, Uh, Johnny Monaziel's annoying or or it's annoying because
you live your life like there's no tomorrow, and as.
Speaker 4 (23:21):
A bullshit cliche, that's what I'm annoyed by. You were
annoyed by the nil aspect of it.
Speaker 3 (23:27):
Well, there is no tomorrow when you if you're going
to do oxy and cocaine though, right, yeah, yeah, So.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Why is it a bullshit? Why is it a bullshit cliche?
Speaker 4 (23:37):
Because there's no way that living your life every day
like there's no tomorrow is sustainable.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
That that is I agree. What were the other.
Speaker 4 (23:46):
Two uh bro hug from Goodell Yeah yeah, and people
racing until the same darkness joke.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
People racing until the same darkness joke. It's like, we
get it. We're all kind of some level of clever.
And I've been a part of that too, where we're
all watching the same thing and you want to and
then you're just like, you know what it's done. Somebody
else came up with it. To all you Twitter warriors
out there, you're.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
All right.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
That's it for the end the Bonus Podcast. Have yourself
a great weekend. Obviously, we're getting more and more clarity
on conferences and we're gonna get more and more football.
Next week is a football game week for preseason football, right.
That's awesome. So we're getting there step by step by step.
Plus we'll see if the Angels can blow yet another
surefire win. All that's coming up on future editions in
(24:40):
the Bonus I'm Doug Gothliic.
Host
Doug Gottlieb
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