August 24, 2023 • 22 mins
Doug address Shohei Ohtani and the tearing of his UCL and what this means for the Angels season/future. We get another segment of "What Does the Fox Say" about Jim Irsay and Russell Wilson. Plus, our fill in producer, Ethan gives us another "You're Annoying."
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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What Up Doug Gottlieb Show and the Bonus Fox Sports
Radio iHeartRadio App. Welcome in Okay. So if it's your
first time listening to the ind the Bonus podcast, you'll
know that basically, and as it plays out on the
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So when you download, you hear this first, then you
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(01:06):
We do have something called what the Fox Says, which
is basically we play for you clips from earlier the
day on either Fox Sports Radio or Fox Sports One,
then I comment on it. We have some other cool
stuff we do, like You're Annoying where Jason Stewart, who
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annoyed by. On a daily basis, we try and determine
(01:27):
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many times with other innuendo, and we can do it
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we can. So that's a and we have really good
(01:47):
stuff today. I guess where we start is is this
all right?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
This is the Doug Godly Show in the Bonus with
Doug Gottlieb.
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What Doug Gottlieb showing the bonus Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
App do.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Just me and Ramos today? Really, Uh, we'll get a
man Ethan in here with what does the Fox say?
And things that are annoying? Lots of things annoying me,
and you know, like one of the things that is
annoying is is the end of summer and people acting
like summer is the greatest. Fall is the greatest? Fall?
(02:35):
Is fall is the greatest? This is like the lebron
James the greyst No, No, Michael Jordan's the greatest follow
is the greatest it gives us. We got college football
kicking off this weekend, we got NFL kicking off in
two weeks. We have Major League Baseball coming to a
conclusion in the postseason in October. The weather and fall
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is better. It just is early. Fall is usually late summer.
You know, you got Indian summer in most parts of
the country Midwest is super hot. And then of course
once the humidity cuts and you get to like perfect weather.
Kids are in school so you don't have to put
up with them all day. And even for kids that
are in school, early year in school is like really enjoyable, right,
It's not until you get to the they actually have
(03:15):
to learn something and do something that it becomes kind
of tedious to them. So the whole thing. Fall is
just better than summer. And I like summer. I'm not
saying summer is not cool, and there's a certain there's
a certain nature to summer which is it's very chill.
But fall is better. Fall is better, and fall is better,
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I think mostly for college football and the NFL. But
what's weird about college football is we're just in this
strange place. The sport hasn't been great in a couple
of years. It's become very very southeastern. It's it's kind
of Nascar, And it's not that it's not that those
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that region the country is not important. It is important,
but it's not the whole country. And if you want
to galvanize people and make them into your sport, we've
seen this with hockey, which is a Northeastern sport, Nascar,
which is a Southeastern sport. You know, you can spread
to other areas, but you got to find a way
to get people to care and care all season long.
(04:22):
What happens in college football this year with the conferences
breaking apart and rivalries breaking apart, I think it's going
to be fascinating for the future because I think that's
what makes up a good portion of why people watch,
why people watch. There's a lot of talk about TREYE.
Lance and the disaster that people have deemed Trey Lance
to be, and it's fairies, I don't know. Taking two
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hundred and sixty two snaps as a quarterback for the
for the San Francisco forty nine ers, and it's interesting.
It's like, on one hand, you can sit there and
go what a bust of a pick. On the other hand,
Zach Wilson was taking ahead of him Zack Wilson's I
think a greater bust, Like, isn't it interesting The Jets
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have saved themselves by pure luck of being in the
AFC and not being really confrontational with the Packers and
landing Aaron Rodgers. Whereas the Niners, well, even with Trey
Lance sucking and then getting hurt, they've been able to
figure it out still get to the NFC Championship Game,
and this year they'll be a favorite to get back there.
(05:33):
And I think Samdarlo is probably the best quarterback even
on that in that quarterback room, it's just weird how
we pick apart some people and don't the others, Like,
here's how big a disaster Zach Wilson was. In addition
to the weird story about him getting with one of
his mom's friends. I remember that from last offseason. He
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was so bad last year that teammates offensive teammates were
wearing the T shirt support his backup who started instead
of him. It's just like, why are we focusing on
Trey Lance being what is deemed to be a bust.
I think that you're going to make mistakes in drafting.
There are no perfect guy. Anybody who says like, oh
(06:13):
I nailed it perfectly, tell me the guy, tell me
the team. Even Tom Telesco is a friend of the show.
We've had him on a bunch. I think the Chargers
have great talent, but they took Mike Williams and could
have had Pat Mahomes and they need a replacement for
Philip Rivers. That really happened. Now, Mike Williams is not
a bust. There have been some you know, was a
(06:36):
Forrest Lamp wasn't taking his high but still he was
a bust for the Chargers. You go through each of
these teams, team by team by team. I mean the
Kancy Chiefs won the Super Bowl. Remember they drafted Clyde
Edwards Hilaire as their first round pick and now Grant
she's late in the first round. But Isaiah Pacheco was
their best running back last year in the Super Bowl.
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It's not the mistakes you make, it's how you come
back from those mistakes. It's how you find a way
to shore that up. And then there's the show Heyo
Tani thing. So Show Heotani has some sort of tear
in his UCL and I woke up this morning to
that news, and I thought to myself, actually, let me
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back in the Zach Wilson thing real quick. And the
other part to the Zach Wilson and the Trey Lance
thing is this, that was the COVID year, right, and
Zach Wilson had a great year with BYU. But go
back and look at who they actually played against. Go
back and look at who they actually played against, and
then do the exact same thing now. And understand, Trey
Lance only played a game, and so we didn't see
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him against high level competition. And you can say, well,
these guys were on the radar the year before, but
they jumped up to being the second and the third
overall pick in the NFL draft because we just didn't
have enough data and it was a weird year. And
even when you played who you really play against, like
BYU's most competitive game that year was against Coastal Carolina,
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Like that's not LSU, that's not Ohio State, that's not
legit teams. And even remember that year, that was the
year that Northwestern was great and Michigan and Penn State
were terrible. Nothing says COVID football like Trey Lance, Zach
Wilson number two, number three pick, and Northwestern was good.
Michigan and Penn State were bad. So I'm not excusing
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those misses. I'm simply pointing out that the Niners, they
may have missed, they went to the NFC Championship game.
So to anyone in the media or anybody who's a
fanboy is like, oh, what a miss How could you miss?
That's a fireball offence. You're a fucking idiot. John Lynch
has found a way to get a They should have
gone to a super Bowl last year. By their all,
I believe they were better than the Eagles, and they
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found a way to fix it with the last pick
in the draft. Does that mean that their eval on
Trey Lance was bad? Of course it's bad. You're not
gonna get everyone to be a perfect eval especially when
you had the COVID year. You couldn't be on campus,
you couldn't really spend time around guys, You couldn't find
out what makes them tick. They weren't playing against high
level competition. Trey Lance only played one game. Don't believe me.
(09:09):
I give you Zach Wilson as well. Now I woke
up to the news about show Heyo Tani having a
tear in his ucl and his throwing obow. So remember
he's already had Tommy John surgery. And I thought to myself,
that's the worst possible news for the Angels. And then
I thought to myself, that's the best possible news for
the Angels, because well, now, do you are you still
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gonna pay him six hundred million dollars for being a
dual threat when he might not ever pitch again, or
if he does pitch, it's not gonna be for another year.
So does this now like the Angels can overpay, Like, hey,
we'll still give you fifty million dollars a year. Nobody
else is going to give it to you because you're
not gonna pitch, or we'll let you have the surgery
whenever you want. I just think there's the possibility there
that show Heo Tani, while he still gets paid, won't
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get paid the same amount. And maybe this brings the
Angels back into play. And so what is the worst
possible scenario where they lose both games in a doubleheader?
They just now got Mike tropped back, They're like six
seven games below five hundred they were walking dumpster fire.
They should have traded him to get prospects back. Now
he tears his ucl and you're like, you know what,
we might get him back.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
And now.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Say, let's get to what the Fox says.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And now.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
This is Jonas Knox and Brady Quinn talking about Jim Ersa.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
They screwed this whole thing up from the get go.
As we've talked about, we've chronicled that on this show.
They screwed it up, like when you're running back once
more money. He wants a better contract, and instead of
talking it out, you have some meeting with him and
then sit down on the back of a golf cart
in Indianapolis and go, well, I mean, listen, I could
die tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Jonathan Taylor be out of the league.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Nobody cares.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Boy, that's comforting, man like boy, that boy, Boy, that
makes me feel great about things. So he screwed that
up from the get go. Jonathan Taylor doesn't want to
play there anymore. He took it personal for a good reason.
And so that now they're gonna drop this. Well, you've
got to do a Tuesday deadline. You want to get
a deal done, get one done by Tuesday. How about
you guys get a deal done by Tuesday. How about
(11:11):
stop putting parameters on this situation that you've already let
get out of control to begin with, and just move
on and go your sep away.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
We know in negotiations, though, deadlines do deals, and whether
they're fictitious or if they're real, usually there's a sense
of urgency. Now I don't understand necessarily how you can
even put on a deadline, Like, what are you gonna
do if you don't get the offer you want?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:31):
If you waited the season and maybe there's a team
that has an injury at running back and now they
might be a little more willing to give up a
higher draft pick, why would you want to hold on
to him until then? Like, if he's not if you're
okay with him going and playing for another team, what's
wrong with stashing him on your roster and waiting until
you get a better offer?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Like all of this is is such complete and utter
bullshit right in that do I think or say should
have sad what he said? No? No, do I think
that Taylor should have taken it personal?
Speaker 7 (12:03):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
But I also think in reality, do you have a
contract you're gonna be compensated. They're offering you a new
contract if you couldn't get it done and you start
training camp, you know the process. I just I just
think it's a bunch of bullshit. That Jonathan Taylor. Now
we'll see if somebody else is willing to pay him
top of the market for his services and trade for him.
I don't think that's gonna happen. I could very much,
(12:27):
very much be in the wrong. Here's Craig Carton and
Greg Jenning's talking about Russell Wilson.
Speaker 8 (12:31):
So, Russell Wilson, he had a down year his last
year in Seattle. He has a bad, tremendously terrible bad
year last year, atrocious, atrocious, we can call it whatever,
whatever it needs to be.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Just however, however embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Why can't he bounce back?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yes, why can't he bounce back?
Speaker 8 (12:49):
He's been a great quarterback in this league. And so
for me, you change from top down, you switch out
who's communicating, who's pouring into him, who's making those deposits
the correct deposits, and you allow him to then flourish.
This is why you acquire Sean Paige, because you believe
you have somebody who's going to listen to or Russell
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Wilson who he's going to listen to.
Speaker 9 (13:10):
It's a fair question because Russell Wilson is in his
mid thirties now. I think he's thirty four.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
He could be thirty five, by the way, that's like
twenty nine years old now. Quarterback, he's in his mid thirties.
Speaker 9 (13:24):
And there are zero examples in the history of the
NFL of a quarterback in his mid thirties playing as
lousy as he played last year and all of a
sudden rediscovering the fountain of youth and becoming it all pro.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It has never happened before. He didn't play that badly.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Kirk Warner started.
Speaker 9 (13:41):
Very late because he's an a really guy. He was
a supermarket checkout dude.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
He started late, so right there where you're like, dude,
dount't how to play football? Yeah, he did. Craig's wrong.
Craig's wrong. I don't know who said that. It wasn't
Greg James. I don't know who said that in the background,
But Craig is is wrong. When Kurt Warner was with
the Giants, he couldn't play, stunk, and then he had
like a hand injury as well, and then he went
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to Arizona as the backup, and he came in late
in the year replacing Matt Lionert and lit it up.
And then they gave it to Leonard again and oh no,
he beat out bea out liner the next year and
they went to Super Bowl. That's literally what happened. So
it has happened before, is a likelihood that will happen again. No,
this is Colin Cowherd on Trey Lance not working out.
Speaker 10 (14:29):
Whatever I hear these phrases, that's not fair. I was
told yesterday by somebody who's pretty close to the forty
nine ers that he wouldn't be shocked if the Niners
moved off Trey Lance. They've made a decision on the quarterback.
You can't be a distraction as a backup or a
number three quarterback. And this whole thing is becoming a distraction.
You know, the media in San Francisco, not all, but
some or he wasn't treated fairly. You can't have a
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backup be a distraction, especially now a number three guy. Listen,
Kyle Shanahan offensively is a football expert. He is half
the league now uses his offense copies him. How many
practices do you think it really took him to figure
out Trey wasn't the guy. The NBA has single workouts,
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GM head coach sit there and decide on draft picks.
A sixty minute workout one Trey Lance didn't get a
fair shot. How many practices did Kyle Shanahan need? How
many years did he need? They realized very quickly it
wasn't gonna work.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I would agree with that, And there is some confirmation
biased because he was never a Trey Lance guy. You know,
that's well documented that he wanted that he wanted Mac Jones,
and it was the scouts and the director of player
Personnel that wanted Trey Lance. They were wrong. So I
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think some of that is also information bias on Shanahan's part.
But I think there's another element to it which we
haven't and I don't know for a fact, but I
would guess, and some of it is reasonable. I would
guess that there's probably some attitude issues there too. Not
that trade Lance the bad guy, but if he was
the greatest guy on earth, they wouldn't be getting rid
of no chance. That's what the Fox said, Say, okay,
(16:26):
who's annoying today?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
The first one we got that's what the way through.
All right, my headphones didn't work. All right, we're good.
Round two. Here we go. Wait, why is my headphones?
And iwere?
Speaker 7 (16:44):
Okay, Dame Lillard said he's not talking to the Blazers
right now. I feel like this is every damn year
with this guy. Every year he's he's thinking about leaving,
and then he doesn't, and then he's like, I want to.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Win a championship there.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
It's just he's got to shut up and he really
has to let the action talk, which it doesn't because
he doesn't. They never make it to the NBA finals.
So you know, I'm just tired of it, and you
know he's really annoying.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Wait what is that right? No, it's it's right. It
would just that's a So Damian Lillard is not talking
about the Blazers right now. But because what this is,
this is a different year. He's asked to be traded.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Now every single year.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
No, every year he's not asked to be traded.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Yeah, but it's always something with Dame Lillard every summer.
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Always something in regards to.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
What him not wanting to be in Portland.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
That's not true. He's had opportunities to ask out of
Portland previously hasn't done it.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I get it, but it's always a conversation.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Right because the team sucks and he's good, right. I
think the annoying part is I do think he gets
a pass of being like one of the old time greats.
He's not. He'll be the second best player or third
best player on any team he goes. He's a very
good shooter score. But the this year he's not talking
about the Blazers. He's not talking about the Blazers because
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he wants to be traded. Who else? What else?
Speaker 10 (18:10):
All?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Right?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
We got.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
Election season is here? Is it cannot be sports related?
Is everything have to be sports related? Just clarity what
I want?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Okay? Cool?
Speaker 7 (18:22):
Election seasons here and everyone thinks they have the answers.
You know, if you don't vote for this guy, you're racist.
If you vote for that guy, you're a communists. I'm
just tired of everyone's just really annoying. Enough is enough,
and you know at this point it should just be
me and you as president Vice press.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Uh yeah, I mean election season is I it's it's
the ads are annoying. The people who have no shot
that are running are annoying. The fact that that President
Trump is running but doesn't have to participate in the
debates is also annoying. Like it's it's all kinds of annoying.
I would agree with you there. I think election seasons
(18:59):
generally really really annoying, although it should be pointed out
like this is not even this year's election. It's next
year's election.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
Right, it's not even we have a year this shit anyway, uh,
next we got uh. Now, I understand where we are
in the NFL. You know, you think someone's gonna die
soon in the NFL. I couldn't agree more. I totally
see where you're going with that. And everybody is still
holding on to this Andrew Luck thing, you know, making
(19:28):
an example out of him, you know, saying you know
he quit earlier. You know he he retired early for
a reason, blah blah blah, and they're just making him
the staple for these head injuries.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
And it's just really annoying.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
And I've had enough of it, and we just need
to stop talking about Andrew Luck.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
He probably retired for other reasons too.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I I think here's what's annoying is the mischaracterization of
fans booing. You know, and you're you were in high
school at the time, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're in
high school at the time. So I posted a tweet
that ended up going viral because I said that Andrew
Luck not wanting to rehab an ankle injury because rehab
(20:14):
was too hard is the most millennial thing ever, right,
So people lost their mind on it, lost their mind,
But I stand by it in that Andrew Luck kind
of what you're saying, like, I don't know if he
lost his love for football. That's really what it is,
lost his love for football. But people were right taboo
because you have to keep you have to understand the context.
(20:36):
That was the last preseason game of that year. He
wasn't dressed. But if you're going to a fourth preseason game,
you're hardcore cults. You're a season ticket holder. So imagine
you go to a game and you're like, ah, are
you gonna go? I don't know. I gotta pay for
these stupid tickets to get season tickets. So I finally
will go, and you know, Andrew Luck's notinn played, Like, yeah,
it's okay. I want to see the rest of the
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guys can't wait to see Luck play and then all
of a sudden, you know, mid get right before the half,
you find out on your phone he's retiring, Like what, Yeah,
you have every right to boo in that. So I
think the mischaracterization of Colts fans and any let's play
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because we can't.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
We don't have anybody who said anything crazy. Unfortunately, we
can reenact it though, So.
Speaker 11 (21:26):
I think it's just a pick of the day and
close it out, and we're all good, Doug. If you
don't have a pick of ady, then we just close
it out. They're a range lay again. By the way,
how about take the next show a tany start as lost. Well,
that's a big story, Doug. I don't know if you,
I don't know how big you think it is, but
(21:47):
it's it's huge. It's a huge Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
No, no pick of the day, all right, three two one.
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(01:06):
We do have something called what the Fox Says, which
is basically we play for you clips from earlier the
day on either Fox Sports Radio or Fox Sports One,
then I comment on it. We have some other cool
stuff we do, like You're Annoying where Jason Stewart, who
is annoyed by many, finds only a couple to be
annoyed by. On a daily basis, we try and determine
(01:27):
who's the most annoying person in sports on Earth. And
then we have something called because we Can, where we
play for you usually an audio clip of somebody cursing
many times with other innuendo, and we can do it
unedited because it's a podcast. So we call it because
we can. So that's a and we have really good
(01:47):
stuff today. I guess where we start is is this
all right?
Speaker 1 (01:57):
This is the Doug Godly Show in the Bonus with
Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
What Doug Gottlieb showing the bonus Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio.
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App do.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Just me and Ramos today? Really, Uh, we'll get a
man Ethan in here with what does the Fox say?
And things that are annoying? Lots of things annoying me,
and you know, like one of the things that is
annoying is is the end of summer and people acting
like summer is the greatest. Fall is the greatest? Fall?
(02:35):
Is fall is the greatest? This is like the lebron
James the greyst No, No, Michael Jordan's the greatest follow
is the greatest it gives us. We got college football
kicking off this weekend, we got NFL kicking off in
two weeks. We have Major League Baseball coming to a
conclusion in the postseason in October. The weather and fall
(02:55):
is better. It just is early. Fall is usually late summer.
You know, you got Indian summer in most parts of
the country Midwest is super hot. And then of course
once the humidity cuts and you get to like perfect weather.
Kids are in school so you don't have to put
up with them all day. And even for kids that
are in school, early year in school is like really enjoyable, right,
It's not until you get to the they actually have
(03:15):
to learn something and do something that it becomes kind
of tedious to them. So the whole thing. Fall is
just better than summer. And I like summer. I'm not
saying summer is not cool, and there's a certain there's
a certain nature to summer which is it's very chill.
But fall is better. Fall is better, and fall is better,
(03:37):
I think mostly for college football and the NFL. But
what's weird about college football is we're just in this
strange place. The sport hasn't been great in a couple
of years. It's become very very southeastern. It's it's kind
of Nascar, And it's not that it's not that those
(04:01):
that region the country is not important. It is important,
but it's not the whole country. And if you want
to galvanize people and make them into your sport, we've
seen this with hockey, which is a Northeastern sport, Nascar,
which is a Southeastern sport. You know, you can spread
to other areas, but you got to find a way
to get people to care and care all season long.
(04:22):
What happens in college football this year with the conferences
breaking apart and rivalries breaking apart, I think it's going
to be fascinating for the future because I think that's
what makes up a good portion of why people watch,
why people watch. There's a lot of talk about TREYE.
Lance and the disaster that people have deemed Trey Lance
to be, and it's fairies, I don't know. Taking two
(04:45):
hundred and sixty two snaps as a quarterback for the
for the San Francisco forty nine ers, and it's interesting.
It's like, on one hand, you can sit there and
go what a bust of a pick. On the other hand,
Zach Wilson was taking ahead of him Zack Wilson's I
think a greater bust, Like, isn't it interesting The Jets
(05:13):
have saved themselves by pure luck of being in the
AFC and not being really confrontational with the Packers and
landing Aaron Rodgers. Whereas the Niners, well, even with Trey
Lance sucking and then getting hurt, they've been able to
figure it out still get to the NFC Championship Game,
and this year they'll be a favorite to get back there.
(05:33):
And I think Samdarlo is probably the best quarterback even
on that in that quarterback room, it's just weird how
we pick apart some people and don't the others, Like,
here's how big a disaster Zach Wilson was. In addition
to the weird story about him getting with one of
his mom's friends. I remember that from last offseason. He
(05:53):
was so bad last year that teammates offensive teammates were
wearing the T shirt support his backup who started instead
of him. It's just like, why are we focusing on
Trey Lance being what is deemed to be a bust.
I think that you're going to make mistakes in drafting.
There are no perfect guy. Anybody who says like, oh
(06:13):
I nailed it perfectly, tell me the guy, tell me
the team. Even Tom Telesco is a friend of the show.
We've had him on a bunch. I think the Chargers
have great talent, but they took Mike Williams and could
have had Pat Mahomes and they need a replacement for
Philip Rivers. That really happened. Now, Mike Williams is not
a bust. There have been some you know, was a
(06:36):
Forrest Lamp wasn't taking his high but still he was
a bust for the Chargers. You go through each of
these teams, team by team by team. I mean the
Kancy Chiefs won the Super Bowl. Remember they drafted Clyde
Edwards Hilaire as their first round pick and now Grant
she's late in the first round. But Isaiah Pacheco was
their best running back last year in the Super Bowl.
(07:00):
It's not the mistakes you make, it's how you come
back from those mistakes. It's how you find a way
to shore that up. And then there's the show Heyo
Tani thing. So Show Heotani has some sort of tear
in his UCL and I woke up this morning to
that news, and I thought to myself, actually, let me
(07:22):
back in the Zach Wilson thing real quick. And the
other part to the Zach Wilson and the Trey Lance
thing is this, that was the COVID year, right, and
Zach Wilson had a great year with BYU. But go
back and look at who they actually played against. Go
back and look at who they actually played against, and
then do the exact same thing now. And understand, Trey
Lance only played a game, and so we didn't see
(07:44):
him against high level competition. And you can say, well,
these guys were on the radar the year before, but
they jumped up to being the second and the third
overall pick in the NFL draft because we just didn't
have enough data and it was a weird year. And
even when you played who you really play against, like
BYU's most competitive game that year was against Coastal Carolina,
(08:06):
Like that's not LSU, that's not Ohio State, that's not
legit teams. And even remember that year, that was the
year that Northwestern was great and Michigan and Penn State
were terrible. Nothing says COVID football like Trey Lance, Zach
Wilson number two, number three pick, and Northwestern was good.
Michigan and Penn State were bad. So I'm not excusing
(08:26):
those misses. I'm simply pointing out that the Niners, they
may have missed, they went to the NFC Championship game.
So to anyone in the media or anybody who's a
fanboy is like, oh, what a miss How could you miss?
That's a fireball offence. You're a fucking idiot. John Lynch
has found a way to get a They should have
gone to a super Bowl last year. By their all,
I believe they were better than the Eagles, and they
(08:47):
found a way to fix it with the last pick
in the draft. Does that mean that their eval on
Trey Lance was bad? Of course it's bad. You're not
gonna get everyone to be a perfect eval especially when
you had the COVID year. You couldn't be on campus,
you couldn't really spend time around guys, You couldn't find
out what makes them tick. They weren't playing against high
level competition. Trey Lance only played one game. Don't believe me.
(09:09):
I give you Zach Wilson as well. Now I woke
up to the news about show Heyo Tani having a
tear in his ucl and his throwing obow. So remember
he's already had Tommy John surgery. And I thought to myself,
that's the worst possible news for the Angels. And then
I thought to myself, that's the best possible news for
the Angels, because well, now, do you are you still
(09:32):
gonna pay him six hundred million dollars for being a
dual threat when he might not ever pitch again, or
if he does pitch, it's not gonna be for another year.
So does this now like the Angels can overpay, Like, hey,
we'll still give you fifty million dollars a year. Nobody
else is going to give it to you because you're
not gonna pitch, or we'll let you have the surgery
whenever you want. I just think there's the possibility there
that show Heo Tani, while he still gets paid, won't
(09:56):
get paid the same amount. And maybe this brings the
Angels back into play. And so what is the worst
possible scenario where they lose both games in a doubleheader?
They just now got Mike tropped back, They're like six
seven games below five hundred they were walking dumpster fire.
They should have traded him to get prospects back. Now
he tears his ucl and you're like, you know what,
we might get him back.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
And now.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Say, let's get to what the Fox says.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
And now.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
This is Jonas Knox and Brady Quinn talking about Jim Ersa.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
They screwed this whole thing up from the get go.
As we've talked about, we've chronicled that on this show.
They screwed it up, like when you're running back once
more money. He wants a better contract, and instead of
talking it out, you have some meeting with him and
then sit down on the back of a golf cart
in Indianapolis and go, well, I mean, listen, I could
die tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Jonathan Taylor be out of the league.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
Nobody cares.
Speaker 4 (10:50):
Boy, that's comforting, man like boy, that boy, Boy, that
makes me feel great about things. So he screwed that
up from the get go. Jonathan Taylor doesn't want to
play there anymore. He took it personal for a good reason.
And so that now they're gonna drop this. Well, you've
got to do a Tuesday deadline. You want to get
a deal done, get one done by Tuesday. How about
you guys get a deal done by Tuesday. How about
(11:11):
stop putting parameters on this situation that you've already let
get out of control to begin with, and just move
on and go your sep away.
Speaker 5 (11:18):
We know in negotiations, though, deadlines do deals, and whether
they're fictitious or if they're real, usually there's a sense
of urgency. Now I don't understand necessarily how you can
even put on a deadline, Like, what are you gonna
do if you don't get the offer you want?
Speaker 6 (11:31):
Right?
Speaker 5 (11:31):
If you waited the season and maybe there's a team
that has an injury at running back and now they
might be a little more willing to give up a
higher draft pick, why would you want to hold on
to him until then? Like, if he's not if you're
okay with him going and playing for another team, what's
wrong with stashing him on your roster and waiting until
you get a better offer?
Speaker 2 (11:48):
Like all of this is is such complete and utter
bullshit right in that do I think or say should
have sad what he said? No? No, do I think
that Taylor should have taken it personal?
Speaker 7 (12:03):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
But I also think in reality, do you have a
contract you're gonna be compensated. They're offering you a new
contract if you couldn't get it done and you start
training camp, you know the process. I just I just
think it's a bunch of bullshit. That Jonathan Taylor. Now
we'll see if somebody else is willing to pay him
top of the market for his services and trade for him.
I don't think that's gonna happen. I could very much,
(12:27):
very much be in the wrong. Here's Craig Carton and
Greg Jenning's talking about Russell Wilson.
Speaker 8 (12:31):
So, Russell Wilson, he had a down year his last
year in Seattle. He has a bad, tremendously terrible bad
year last year, atrocious, atrocious, we can call it whatever,
whatever it needs to be.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Just however, however embarrassed.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Why can't he bounce back?
Speaker 3 (12:47):
Yes, why can't he bounce back?
Speaker 8 (12:49):
He's been a great quarterback in this league. And so
for me, you change from top down, you switch out
who's communicating, who's pouring into him, who's making those deposits
the correct deposits, and you allow him to then flourish.
This is why you acquire Sean Paige, because you believe
you have somebody who's going to listen to or Russell
(13:09):
Wilson who he's going to listen to.
Speaker 9 (13:10):
It's a fair question because Russell Wilson is in his
mid thirties now. I think he's thirty four.
Speaker 2 (13:15):
He could be thirty five, by the way, that's like
twenty nine years old now. Quarterback, he's in his mid thirties.
Speaker 9 (13:24):
And there are zero examples in the history of the
NFL of a quarterback in his mid thirties playing as
lousy as he played last year and all of a
sudden rediscovering the fountain of youth and becoming it all pro.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
It has never happened before. He didn't play that badly.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Kirk Warner started.
Speaker 9 (13:41):
Very late because he's an a really guy. He was
a supermarket checkout dude.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
He started late, so right there where you're like, dude,
dount't how to play football? Yeah, he did. Craig's wrong.
Craig's wrong. I don't know who said that. It wasn't
Greg James. I don't know who said that in the background,
But Craig is is wrong. When Kurt Warner was with
the Giants, he couldn't play, stunk, and then he had
like a hand injury as well, and then he went
(14:08):
to Arizona as the backup, and he came in late
in the year replacing Matt Lionert and lit it up.
And then they gave it to Leonard again and oh no,
he beat out bea out liner the next year and
they went to Super Bowl. That's literally what happened. So
it has happened before, is a likelihood that will happen again. No,
this is Colin Cowherd on Trey Lance not working out.
Speaker 10 (14:29):
Whatever I hear these phrases, that's not fair. I was
told yesterday by somebody who's pretty close to the forty
nine ers that he wouldn't be shocked if the Niners
moved off Trey Lance. They've made a decision on the quarterback.
You can't be a distraction as a backup or a
number three quarterback. And this whole thing is becoming a distraction.
You know, the media in San Francisco, not all, but
some or he wasn't treated fairly. You can't have a
(14:51):
backup be a distraction, especially now a number three guy. Listen,
Kyle Shanahan offensively is a football expert. He is half
the league now uses his offense copies him. How many
practices do you think it really took him to figure
out Trey wasn't the guy. The NBA has single workouts,
(15:16):
GM head coach sit there and decide on draft picks.
A sixty minute workout one Trey Lance didn't get a
fair shot. How many practices did Kyle Shanahan need? How
many years did he need? They realized very quickly it
wasn't gonna work.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
I would agree with that, And there is some confirmation
biased because he was never a Trey Lance guy. You know,
that's well documented that he wanted that he wanted Mac Jones,
and it was the scouts and the director of player
Personnel that wanted Trey Lance. They were wrong. So I
(15:58):
think some of that is also information bias on Shanahan's part.
But I think there's another element to it which we
haven't and I don't know for a fact, but I
would guess, and some of it is reasonable. I would
guess that there's probably some attitude issues there too. Not
that trade Lance the bad guy, but if he was
the greatest guy on earth, they wouldn't be getting rid
of no chance. That's what the Fox said, Say, okay,
(16:26):
who's annoying today?
Speaker 3 (16:29):
The first one we got that's what the way through.
All right, my headphones didn't work. All right, we're good.
Round two. Here we go. Wait, why is my headphones?
And iwere?
Speaker 7 (16:44):
Okay, Dame Lillard said he's not talking to the Blazers
right now. I feel like this is every damn year
with this guy. Every year he's he's thinking about leaving,
and then he doesn't, and then he's like, I want to.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Win a championship there.
Speaker 7 (16:57):
It's just he's got to shut up and he really
has to let the action talk, which it doesn't because
he doesn't. They never make it to the NBA finals.
So you know, I'm just tired of it, and you
know he's really annoying.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Wait what is that right? No, it's it's right. It
would just that's a So Damian Lillard is not talking
about the Blazers right now. But because what this is,
this is a different year. He's asked to be traded.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Now every single year.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
No, every year he's not asked to be traded.
Speaker 7 (17:30):
Yeah, but it's always something with Dame Lillard every summer.
That's a fact.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Always something in regards to.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
What him not wanting to be in Portland.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
That's not true. He's had opportunities to ask out of
Portland previously hasn't done it.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
I get it, but it's always a conversation.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
Right because the team sucks and he's good, right. I
think the annoying part is I do think he gets
a pass of being like one of the old time greats.
He's not. He'll be the second best player or third
best player on any team he goes. He's a very
good shooter score. But the this year he's not talking
about the Blazers. He's not talking about the Blazers because
(18:08):
he wants to be traded. Who else? What else?
Speaker 10 (18:10):
All?
Speaker 1 (18:11):
Right?
Speaker 3 (18:11):
We got.
Speaker 7 (18:13):
Election season is here? Is it cannot be sports related?
Is everything have to be sports related? Just clarity what
I want?
Speaker 3 (18:21):
Okay? Cool?
Speaker 7 (18:22):
Election seasons here and everyone thinks they have the answers.
You know, if you don't vote for this guy, you're racist.
If you vote for that guy, you're a communists. I'm
just tired of everyone's just really annoying. Enough is enough,
and you know at this point it should just be
me and you as president Vice press.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Uh yeah, I mean election season is I it's it's
the ads are annoying. The people who have no shot
that are running are annoying. The fact that that President
Trump is running but doesn't have to participate in the
debates is also annoying. Like it's it's all kinds of annoying.
I would agree with you there. I think election seasons
(18:59):
generally really really annoying, although it should be pointed out
like this is not even this year's election. It's next
year's election.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
Right, it's not even we have a year this shit anyway, uh,
next we got uh. Now, I understand where we are
in the NFL. You know, you think someone's gonna die
soon in the NFL. I couldn't agree more. I totally
see where you're going with that. And everybody is still
holding on to this Andrew Luck thing, you know, making
(19:28):
an example out of him, you know, saying you know
he quit earlier. You know he he retired early for
a reason, blah blah blah, and they're just making him
the staple for these head injuries.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
And it's just really annoying.
Speaker 7 (19:40):
And I've had enough of it, and we just need
to stop talking about Andrew Luck.
Speaker 3 (19:44):
He probably retired for other reasons too.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
I I think here's what's annoying is the mischaracterization of
fans booing. You know, and you're you were in high
school at the time, right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're in
high school at the time. So I posted a tweet
that ended up going viral because I said that Andrew
Luck not wanting to rehab an ankle injury because rehab
(20:14):
was too hard is the most millennial thing ever, right,
So people lost their mind on it, lost their mind,
But I stand by it in that Andrew Luck kind
of what you're saying, like, I don't know if he
lost his love for football. That's really what it is,
lost his love for football. But people were right taboo
because you have to keep you have to understand the context.
(20:36):
That was the last preseason game of that year. He
wasn't dressed. But if you're going to a fourth preseason game,
you're hardcore cults. You're a season ticket holder. So imagine
you go to a game and you're like, ah, are
you gonna go? I don't know. I gotta pay for
these stupid tickets to get season tickets. So I finally
will go, and you know, Andrew Luck's notinn played, Like, yeah,
it's okay. I want to see the rest of the
(20:57):
guys can't wait to see Luck play and then all
of a sudden, you know, mid get right before the half,
you find out on your phone he's retiring, Like what, Yeah,
you have every right to boo in that. So I
think the mischaracterization of Colts fans and any let's play
(21:17):
because we can't.
Speaker 3 (21:18):
We don't have anybody who said anything crazy. Unfortunately, we
can reenact it though, So.
Speaker 11 (21:26):
I think it's just a pick of the day and
close it out, and we're all good, Doug. If you
don't have a pick of ady, then we just close
it out. They're a range lay again. By the way,
how about take the next show a tany start as lost. Well,
that's a big story, Doug. I don't know if you,
I don't know how big you think it is, but
(21:47):
it's it's huge. It's a huge Oh my god.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
No, no pick of the day, all right, three two one.
That's it for the end of Bonus Podcast. Be sure
to tune into the radio show, which, of course, if
you listen to pod it rolls over into Otherwise take
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Fox Sports Radio, Foxport Trade Dot Comedy, iHeartRadio app. I'm
Doug Gottlie.
Speaker 12 (22:07):
He's Mike Karmen. I'm Dan Bayern and we have a
brand new fantasy football podcast called I Want Your Flex.
Twice a week, every Tuesday and Friday, we come up
with new episodes to not only look back at what happened,
what you need to do at that minute, and also
look ahead of what's coming up in the fantasy football world.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
That's right, Dan.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Every week we're gonna scour the waiver wire to find
the pickups to turbo boost your fantasy lineup, sit starts,
fantasy football players rankings to get you ready to dominate
the competition.
Speaker 12 (22:38):
Listen to I Want Your Flex with Mike Carmon and
meet Dan Byer on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, and
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