January 31, 2024 • 39 mins
Doug riffs on what Super Bowl week will be like for broadcasters and media types. Doug weighs in on current and former players complaining about the 65-game minimum for players to qualify for post-season awards. Doug reacts to Colin Cowherd's take on the Jets. Doug chooses among deserving candidates who Jason Stewart deems is most annoying today. Plus, Doug gives out his Pick Of The Day.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug gottli.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
One of Dog Gottlieb Show, the bonus of Already Hope
You're doing well. It's a Gotlieb Show broadcast live from
Los Angeles. Oh so we got a lot to get
to here, JAYSU, as we're still a week and a
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half away from the super Bowl, the super Bowl. You
know what's really interesting is I spent over a decade
in this business and didn't go to a super Bowl,
or actually about a decade didn't go to super Bowl.
And then since I left ESPN went to CBS, before
I went to Fox, I've been to every super Bowl since.
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And one I can tell you how incredibly valuable it
is in our industry to be at Radio Row, maybe
more than just having this show at Radio Row, just
all the people you run into. It really is like
a broadcaster's convention, you know, and you run into the agents,
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establish rapport like it's so incredibly important. But we're gonna
be there. You and I are getting there Sunday night,
and I'm actually gonna stay I think till Saturday morning.
I may stay for the game. I don't know. I
always say I'll stay for the game, and then you know,
if you've been anywhere for a week is a long time.
But Vegas, when you're there Sunday night, the night week before,
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it's weird. And I'll repeat this on the radio because
I do say it every year because every year, whoever
is around agrees with me and can understand this metaphor.
But it's a lot like when there's a party and
your friends like, yeah, we're gonna have people over come
over about seven, right, So I don't know how you are. Generally,
I would never be early to somewhere and yeah, as
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you know, I'm not an early guy. But you know,
on the rare occasion you want to be prompt if
you get there maybe a little bit before seven, Like
you get there and the husband just got home from
playing golf. The wife is like, you just get and
you end up setting everything up with them, you know,
and then by the time the party starts, you're like,
you're kind of over it. And then you know, once
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it gets still with the pine time you want to
be there, you're kind of ready to go. That is
exactly what going to the super Bowl on a Monday
and Tuesday's like, you know, like people, they're still putting
up signs, they're still getting everything all spit shined. Because
Thursday on is when it when it gets real. You know,
the parties get different, the dinners get different, the people
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get different. You know, it's still cool and and it's
actually a lot more personal. You get a lot more
work done Monday through Wednesday in terms of meeting with
people and talking to people whenever. But yeah, it's you
are You're kind of setting up the party. So look,
guys that we're a week and a half away from
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the super Bowl, obviously we're gonna talk a ton of football.
And you know, Mike McDonald agreen to terms with the
Seahawks today. That makes it really interesting what the Washington
commanders are going to do as their job still open.
But I thought that this conversation is a good one
because there's a there's a bit of an echo chamber
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with the NBA. And here's what I mean. By the way,
don't you like the jsdu Do you like the word
echo chamber? I like the two words echo chamber.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
It's a really good it sounds good like Uh, Lorena
and I were talking about this recently because echo chamber
just sounds like it sounds great. Like my favorite word,
my sounding word of all time is perhaps. And she
was just telling me that hearing us use the word juxtapose,
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and she's really fallen in love with the way that
that's sounds.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I have one nefarious, nefarious. I love the word nefarious.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Anyway, what was the word I was looking I was
using before chextapose the chamber in the So there's an
echo chamber in the NBA. And for people who don't
know what the echo chamber is, I think they basically know.
It's an environment where a person only encounters information opinions
that reflect or reinforce their own right. It's just a
place where everybody agrees with everybody. Huh oh, I's a
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great idea. So the problem with when you don't have
Barkley on, the problem you don't have Barkley on is
you have everything is pro player and it's okay, okay,
it's more than okay to be, you know, for the players,
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but it can't be one hundred percent that way. I mean,
this is how we we're fucking embarrassing as media members.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
We kiss up to.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Student athletes all, you know, I feel like, here's what
I think happens. I think that a lot of people
who are non athletes really do idolize the athletic skill
of so many people. That's part of it. But I
also think that the athletes were always at the cool
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guy table, and most broadcasters were not cool guys growing up.
He's just not, you know, like Iron Eagle is a
dear friend of mine. He'll tell you like his both
his parents were like vaudeville performers. He grew up like
watching TV, making smart ass comments and then calling games
to himself, and that's how he became like the greatest,
Like he's Iron Eagle might be the funniest human being
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I know, truthfully, but he would not say, like when
he grew up, he was at the cool guy table.
So I think broadcasters are generally not cool and one
to be at the cool guy table. Many of them
love athletic, love athletes and what they can do, wish
they were that. So there's a certain idolization to it.
And then you have athletes themselves to become broadcasters, and
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they want to be cool and hang out with their buddies,
so they always take the athletes side too, and it's okay,
it's okay to push back. And so here's what's happened.
The NBA passed a rule and by the way, the
Players Association agreed to the rule. That's my favorite part
about all this stuff, Like you can't just pass rules
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in professional sports and not run it by the players.
So you can't make what first team All NBA if
you don't, or you can't be you can't get any
of the honors, you know, Comeback Player of the Year, MVP,
whatever unless you play sixty five games. Sixty five games, okay.
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So here's what I want you to do. I want
you to just can you do you want to do?
The math of sixty five isn't it divided by eighty two? Right?
That's seventy nine percent of the games you have to play? Okay.
So here's Jamal Crawford because there's this big talk about
well terse Haliburton came out and was like, man, this
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is crazy. I had to play in this game coming
off of a hamstring pull or whatever in order to
get the Supermax contract. And here's Jamal Crawford on inside
the NBA.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
We put up the graphic of the games missed and
the guys that are getting close to the point where
they're not going to be eligible for.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Those postseason awards.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
And it says not just about awards. There's contract money
tied into some of these postseason awards as you see there,
and the Halliburton and Embiid are dealing with this right now.
Halliburton did say he came out and said it's not
a rule that he likes. His coach even came out
to his defense. Do you think Jamal this is factoring
into some want like Embid's mindset about playing hurt and
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not resting up.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
For the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (08:04):
I hope not, because we all want these guys to
play like that's what they do, that's what we do
as athletes. But if we're risking further injury or compensation
or anything for that, I understand what the NBA was
doing as far as Okay, let's get these guys playing,
but not if Joe Embiid is hurt, it doesn't matter
if they're sixth or second, third, fourth and fifth option
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or unbelievable, it won't matter. And for the league that's
not good because these guys are so important. So I'm
just hoping it's not serious, and we'll have to look
at that because as fans, I don't have a vote.
I think you have a vote left. Co even if
they played whatever number it is, people still have to
vote for them, if they made or not. They don't.
They shouldn't have to risk themselves in their livelihood to
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say I need to meet a quota to be eligible
for this stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Here's the problem with that, okay, because what really bothers
the players is not the awards. It really has nothing
to do with you awards. We all know what has
to do with money, and the Supermax is substantially more money.
All of it is monopoly money that there's no possible
way you could spend it all if you have any
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sort of fucking brains, you know, anything going on up
in your uh, in your uh.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Ub ubblin doula money Madula Oblin gotta medula Ablin, gotta right,
there's nothing if you don't have anything going if you
got to be a class a fucking idiot or just
the worst money manager of all time. But bigger point,
it has nothing to do with the awards. Don't let
anybody tell you, Oh these guys are they want to
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win the MVP. They don't give a shit do they
want to win a league MVP? Like yeah, okay, but
if you really want to league winning VP, then you're
not playing sixty sixty four sixty three games. You're just not.
And you're also not winning it when you play that
few games anyway either. So it comes down to being
about the money. And I understand that there's a younger
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What are people who are twenty five and younger? What
are there are they? Gen What are they? Is that
gen Z? I understand that gen Z has taken the
work smarter or not harder, to a level that is
just like ridiculous, Like it's it's now to the do
as little as you possibly can and then find a
way to leave that job to make as much as
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you possibly can. Where you're then going to do as
little as you possibly can to then leave that job
and make as much as you possibly can. Is that right?
And everybody who's like twenty four is like yeah, fuck yeah,
why now why wouldn't I do that? That's that's brilliant,
Like yeah, because that's not actually the way it works.
Why do you have to ask yourself all the time?
Why do you get paid. I've said this for years
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that people don't want to listen to me like Skip Ba.
People always go like Skip Bayless is worth whatever whatever
value you want to make about him. Compare him to
I don't know Bob Costas for years, Bob Costa is
an amazing broadcaster, but he's not on every day, Like
when you're working every day five days week. First of all,
when you're doing a morning show the Age Old and Jaseu,
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you can you can attest to this. What they tell
you about doing morning radio morning TV is they don't
really pay you. If they don't pay you to do
the show, they pay you to get up right at
some point because at some point in everyone's life, because
you know, just so you know, like if you're on
at six in the morning, you have a show meeting
at four in the morning, if and that's even that's
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kind of pushing it. And if you're on at nine
in the morning, you're gonna have a show meeting at
seven in the morning, maybe six, depending on what kind
of ship you run, right, And that means again you're
getting up at four thirty five. You gotta get yourself
up and a round like it's and you're like, well,
I get up that early anyway, Okay, but you have
to make cognitive thoughts. My point is that why Skip Bayless,
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why Colin Cowhard, why these guys that do these daily shows,
why they get paid so much money? Is it's a
volume play. It's it's not a big event like these.
They're different kinds of ways to get paid in this business,
and in radio, it's a volume play. Sports on TV
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generally is about volume. You get people who tweet out
stuff about the NBA and the ratings that they don't
fucking understand, like, no, this the ratings are down. But
part of it is it's the NBA. TV's all Nbas,
all across the TV landscape. It's on all the time.
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Basketball on television is a volume play. Sure, you might
get only a million people to watch, okay, but those
are usually young males, those are spenders or whatever. And
you know, well, you're paying a ton of money, but
you're getting a ton of volume of product in return.
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So the reason NBA players are able to command that
much money is the TV money combined with all the
revenue generated on site, right, and the reason that the
TV numbers aren't great, But the reason you can. You know,
you can demand so much money from your rights holders
is hey, look we may only give you a million people,
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but we'll give you a million people four nights a
week and then on the weekend as well. It's all
about volume. Nothing else brings that. Live sports brings that
to you. And it doesn't cost a ton to produce
because you don't have writers. You know, you don't have scripts,
you don't have all this other stuff you have with shows. Anyway,
point is you get paid a ridiculous amount of money
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for your number of performances. It's no different than when
you go on tour. You know, like you go on tour,
you make money on tour, not on one event. Why
did how did Taylor Swift become a billionaire? She went
and played like seven nights in a row at places,
and then she goes somewhere else and play seven nights
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in a row. Taylor Swift would not have made She
wouldn't Who would go to a tour if she's like, hey,
I got all these dates, but I'm only going to
perform at two thirds of them, Like, there's no tour
that way. That's what you have to compare yourself to
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or to anyone else's. So what you want in a
super max contract is a race to be paid at
the very top of the scale. So you want to
work as little as possible and then get paid more
money than anybody else because when you do work, you're great. Yeah,
it doesn't that's not the way your business works. That's
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not the way any business works. And I understand it's
not for everybody. Everybody's body can't hold up. Oh yeah,
By the way, the NBA just commissioned a study that
shows that resting players does not appear to have any
lasting effect in terms of the volume of or severity
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of injuries, Like it doesn't actually prevent injuries. And I've
said this for a long time, Like the guys that
aren't playing, they're still working out. And if you completely
shut it down to rest, you're actually more likely to
get hurt than if you just play every night. You know,
and guys have played every night for years. You just
got to take care of your body. If you don't
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take care of your body, you'll be out of the
league soon. But I just it sounds very much like
an echo chamber. And I thought Jamal Crawford, like he's
a super bright guy, He'm not an idiot, you know,
he can textualize it really well. He's like, look, I
understand ye had to do it. He's like, but they
got to protect their bodies. Like what are we talking about.
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Sometimes NBA guys they act like their NFL guys, you know,
like there aren't an NBA guys that are walking down
the street with dementia. They're just not you know. Yeah,
some of them have bad knees, bad hips, bad back.
There's a lot of guys that that didn't play basketball
that have that. You know, when you get done playing.
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There's a lot of guys that they'd let their bodies
go because they've been working out their whole lives and
they don't want to do it. But this is a
universal adult problem that people have as for should they
have to play Absolutely, if you want to be an
MVP league, you want to be first team, you got
to play sixty Like that's not well, we don't we
shouldn't put a limit on it. You voted on it,
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it approved, it's done, And it wouldn't have happened if
not for the fact that people were abusing the privilege
of missing a game because they would miss too many
games that's what all this stuff is about. And so yeah,
maybe a couple of guys get screwed in it. There
might be a guy or you get showed, but it's
better than all the fans getting screwed because what's missing
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from what we teach these players is, Hey, the reason
that you're able to make so much money is because, look,
you play forty one home games, you got to be
there and playing. That all NBA guy especially has to
be there and playing because otherwise our paying audience. Why
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would you go show up if you know, oh, hey,
here comes the pick the team, here comes to seventy
six ers. Like imagine you're a Nuggets fan, right, they
win the championship and you're like, man, I'm fired up.
You know what I want to buy. I want to
buy a season ticket package and I want to go
see the best guys come in and take On and
two years in a row and be ducks him and
doesn't play, be fucking pissed. And not anybody on that
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desk has admitted like that's bullshit. Well he was injured, Like,
get the fuck out of here. He was healthy enough
to have seventy three points or seventy points. You're hurt,
you're not injured. We all know the difference. If you're hurt,
get back out there. Ice it when you're done. If
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you're injured, go see a doctor. Shut it down. But
I imagine, and like the Nuggets fans have had it good.
But I'm like, you win a championship, your season ticket
prices increase dramatically. So I'm paying twice as much for
tickets now. Second, I gotta go see himb take on Jokiic,
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the two best big guys in the NBA, and the
dude ducks him again and get the fuck out of
here with that. There's no defending that. There's no defending
that to me.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
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Speaker 2 (19:00):
Let's get through the Fox set and now, I'd say
every day this time the Doug Gotlib Show. In the
Bonus Podcast, we played for you a portion of a
previous show on Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports One. Here's
Dan Patrick and Greg Olsen talk about Olsen's future as
a broadcaster.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I want to call top games.
Speaker 8 (19:17):
I want to call games in front of fifty seven
million people and dive into the biggest moments and why
it's happening. And I feel like we've done as good
a job as that as anybody in the industry over
the last couple of seasons. And where that is, how
that is, when that is? I don't know right there's
so many moving parts out of my control. But my
goal is to be a top a broadcaster again, and
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I'm going to do everything in my power to achieve that.
And that's been the goal that I've laid out since
I entered this field upon retirement three years ago.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Would you ask for a trade, I'm not really.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
In the business of making demands. You know, I'm not
sitting here holding anyone's feed to the fire. At Fox.
It understands the position I'm in. They understand what my
ass inspirations are. You know, we're not sitting there banging
the table and saying you have to let us get
you know, We're not in that. We're not doing that.
You know. We we understand what we signed up for.
They understand where where I am and being at this
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stage of my career of where I want to go,
and I think we're all we understand the delicate situation
that we're in, right, I understand when Tom Brady's looming
over your shoulder, it's the biggest news in sports. I
get it. He's Tom Brady. He's someone I've respected for
damn twenty years. So I understand the the uniqueness of
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what's going on.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
There's there's a lot to it. First, I love I
love how many people have had his back and said
he's a really good broadcaster, because he is. And you know,
look this, this this happens. You know, people unseat other
people because of their name and the reputation. I do
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think it's interesting that, you know, the guys who are
the top broadcasters in college basketball over the past twenty
five years, by my estimation, will be Bill Raftery, Dick
Y Tal Jay Billis. Bill rafter he was never a
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great coach. You know, he coached at Seaton Hall before
PJ took over and took him to the Final four, right,
dick Vy Tale was he did a nice job at
Detroit and he was a coach of Pistons, But like
he's been doing college basketball since really the infancy of
Cable and Jay Billis was a good player at Duke,
but he wasn't ever the best player on his team,
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and yet they're phenomenal broadcasters. There's others as well, you know.
I mean, hell, I I think I call as good
a game as anybody, but the who gets those opportunities
and it's like, look, Grant Hill was Grant Hill. Hey,
he's Grant Hill. And Grant's become really good. And when
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anybody starts, they're not good like one thing. And this
is actually a testament to Greg. He's been really good
for a long time. He was even when he remember
he did a weekend in the games when he was
still a player, he was still very good. Then that's
really hard to do because anyone else who first starts out,
like I can tell you if you watch my tapes.
When I first, I was shitty. I talked too much
and you know, and talked over my play by play
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guy like I didn't know what I was doing. But like, look,
Grant calls the Final four, and I mean I was
a CBS. There's lots of other really talented guys to
see it, but they're not Grant fucking Hill. You know.
Now they have Grant, they have Jay right will probably
whenever Raft retires. Like they work together some he'll replace
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Raft eventually, and Jay's really really good, but part of
it was Jay Wright one two national championships. He's he's
like the iconic coach of twenty twenties. So that's just
in the NBA. Obviously, if Doris calls the NBA finals,
that's a huge thing, huge. But what's interesting is that
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you know who they have called the NBA finals, Like
Mark Jackson was never a first team All NBA player,
not a Hall of Fame player, not a Hall of
Fame coach. Jeff Van Gutty was a good coach. Obviously,
he's famous for coaching the New York Knicks. That makes
you more famous. But they were great together calling the
NBA finals. Great. They're not Phil Jackson, they're not Greg Popovich,
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they're not even Larry Brown, none of them have none
of them won a championship. But they were awesome broadcasters.
And if you want to throw Doris in, they're great.
Like she never coached, played in the NBA WNBA, like
nobody remembers her as a player. She's just a good broadcast.
And yet we have this thing where we have to
go after the star person, the star player. We're hoping
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we're hoping that we can find the Troy Aikman out there,
the Hall of Fame player who's a Hall of Fame broadcaster,
and those guys are hard to find. But I'll also
point out, and this is where I would have I
would point out to Greg. It's like he's like talking
about where he is now. He was not signed to
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be the number one broadcaster at Fox. He was signed
to be the number two guy, and then he ended
up replacing and filling in when when the Akman thing
didn't make it Fox and he went over to ESPN.
So there is a little of like, dude, I get it,
you were great, but you were never really signed for
that spot. And he's like the interim coach who everybody
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wants to see hired, and they go out and they
go sign the biggest name out there on free agency.
Here's pretty Quinn talking about the Commanders and Ben Johnson
turning them down.
Speaker 9 (25:03):
If you are Ben Johnson and you here, because we
talk about this all the time when like a quarterback
comes up to have their contract, you know, extended, like
what should he make? Well, he's not Patrick Mahomes, right,
No one's Patrick Mahomes in the NFL. But we see
guys who outpace them with their contract, do we not,
who don't have the qualifications or or having you know,
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achieved as much as Patrick Mahomes has. Yet we don't
say anything with those guys st are past Patrick Mahomes contract,
do we? So then why is it an issue If
a guy like Ben Johnson, who by the way, was
interviewing last year for head coaching jobs.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Puts up a price tag.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
That's I don't know, along the same as Bill Belichick.
Maybe he feels like he is the next Bill Belichick,
like you're the Washington Commandos. You've got this new ownership
group that supposedly got such deep pockets you can't afford
to pay for the maybe the youngest, brightest mind the
game right now, a guy who didn't come him from
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the Shanahan tree kind of hasn't paved his own path
in a way. So I'm just saying, if that's the report,
it's kind of just contradicting because we see, if it
not ever have an issue with this when Dak Prescott
signs the best deal for a quarterback right in the NFL.
Get if a coordinator then wants to have one of
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the best contracts as a head coach that all of
a sudden becomes an issue. I don't know, doesn't really
make as much sense to me.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I think it The easy way to explain it is
we had somebody on yesterday who kind of explained like
he wanted to make me move price. You know, he
wanted fuck you money and they weren't willing to give
it to him. But I think it's weird, like, how have
you not pivoted to Vrabel? Yet? Have you not pivoted
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to Belichick? So what happens in Washington is it was
such a great franchise and then you had such good
energy with the with the change in ownership, who they
pick for coach, who they picked for quarterback is going
to tell you a lot about who they want to
be here moving forward. Here's Colin Cowherd talking about the Jets.
Speaker 10 (27:15):
When Brady went to Tampa. You could say, well, Tom
wanted certain things. Yes, a hall of fame tight end
in Gronk that was still great in big games and
a bit of a wacko but hall of fame talent
Antonio Brown and a veteran running back Lenny Furnat. He
didn't want second and third expensive wide receivers. He didn't
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want old guys who couldn't play anymore or buddies. Tom
wanted guys who could still in big games. Bring it
not Alan Lazard, who was a healthy scratch late in
the season and expensive. Again, why Belichick can't get a
gig and why Aaron is not relevant? You've got to
be able to sacrifice, collaborate and win on terms that
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aren't always yours. You don't always get your way in
this league. Adding a defensive head coach we know for
the fifth straight Super Bowl offensive coach versus offensive coach.
The story went on with thirty sources saying it's not
uncommon for team decisions to go through Aaron Rodgers said
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an NFL general manager. Rogers isn't the assistant GM. Joe
Douglas is the assistant GM. I didn't think they'd be
a playoff team this year. I don't think they're a
playoff team next year. You win upstairs first.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, the Jets appear to be everything you thought they'd be,
which is a mess, and you don't have It's interesting,
you know, like Salah has gotten the pass so many
times over because he looks the part, you know, and
I hard knocks makes anybody much more likable, and we
saw him with San Francisco. But people who watch the
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games like, well, they're not that well coached. And yeah,
I mean like, look, I get it, losing Aaron Rodgers
is a disaster of a season. But man, the dysfunction
within those walls. And maybe you could write this piece
on just about any NFL franchise, but it does feel
very very a very very jet story. That's what the
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Fox said.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Do say. Be sure to catch live editions of The
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Speaker 2 (29:39):
Let's find out who What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
And now it's your annoying, hey, Doug.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
So more information has come out about this Justin Tucker,
I guess miscommunication or or something. Before the game on Sunday,
Justin Tucker decided to warm up as Pat Mahomes and
Kelsey and the offense were trying to do their things.
So it sounds like it's a he said, he said
thing here. Justin Tucker says that he's always warms up
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there and that that that's no exception on Sunday. Patrick
Mahomes went on his radio hit yesterday and.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Said this, I've had like seven years of kind of
doing that same warm up routine, and there's been a
I think like three occasions where there's been a kicker
that wasn't a because you know, you can talk to
the guys, there had been a kicker that wasn't necessarily
moving out the way or you weren't kind of sharing
the field in the right way. And I mean it
was in Baltimore all three times. So he does that
(30:43):
little stuff. I think he's trying to get under our
skin and I asked him to move his stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
So there's been a lot of like blame spread. Lamar
Jackson has absorbed a lot of it. Todd Monkin has
absorbed a lot of it. I think John Harbaugh has
kind of skated on the blame from what happens. I
don't think that we could overstate how much of a
choke job that was overall for the Ravens after the
season they had, But trying to intimidate people that can't
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be intimidated as a kicker, I think was a misstep.
It was big news before the game. Obviously we were
clamoring for something to talk about, and it became a thing,
and like this little Justin Tucker thing to like, I
don't know, get inside their head or get under their
their skin, Like is that what you want to do
to Patrick Mahomes. I mean, so, I think Justin Tucker's
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annoying for thinking if this was a head game that
he can get away with it.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I think I'm with you. I do think that there's
I honestly think it was Justin Tucker trying to just
fuck around and keep it light, and those guys were
just not They just weren't in the mood. And it's
one of those it's really interesting, right, like I don't
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know how you are before a big event or poor
a big thing, Like some people just can't they don't
joke around. They got to like hit a switch mentally,
and it's kind of annoying. Some people are like annoyingly
relaxed and loose, And I honestly think that's what happened here,
is that Justin Tucker was just trying to fuck around
and be a regular guy and not be that serious.
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And then Kelsey, who's usually a really happy, go lucky guy,
and same with Mahomes like they just weren't having it,
and so it spiraled into something that it's not not
really what it was intended to be.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Help me out with this name, Doug, is it Sabrina?
I Andieska, I ask you.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
So.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I guess he and Steph Curry are going to do
something at the three Point Challenge and there's a big
deal out of it. And you know, Steph went on
T and T last night and he literally says it's
the coolest thing ever to be matched up against Sabrina
in the three point contest. Now, I know Steph is
a real big supporter of women's basketball, and at every
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turn he tries to pump it up. And I get that,
and I appreciate that it's not my thing, but I
appreciate what he's doing. I just he's being intellectually dishonest
when he says this is the coolest thing ever. This
is a This is a guy who took Davidson to
the what Sweet sixteen Elite eight. He's a guy who
has won NBA championships. He's been to the very top.
I think he's won gold medals in the Olympics. You're
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not going to convince me that a three point competition
against Sabrina even cracks your top ten of coolest thing ever.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Correct? Correct? I mean she's shooting with a smaller ball
from a shorter line, you know. And again this is
a lot. It's like anything else, like could you do
it with other people on the floor, could you get open,
get a shot off? But shooting is the one place
in which you could compete on even playing field. This
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is not even playing field with a smaller ball on
a short line.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Quickly. So this Jet story that that the Colin referred
to amazing story was some great some great dirt. I
would I recommend anyone read the athletic article. I think
Russini and the Jets beat guy. Anonymous sources have become
a target again by former players on Twitter since this
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came out. Put a name on it, put your name
on it, is always the cry from the from the
people with these anonymous sources stories. They don't understand the
basic uh, the premise of journalism and protecting sources. And
if you didn't protect sources, then the truth can't come out.
It's I don't know why or how this hasn't been
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explained to people when they go to the put your
name on a card, but it always annoys us.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Thank you so much, it's fucking infuriating. Listen to me. Okay,
you can't put your name on things when they can
get you fucking fired. By the way, when you do
put your name on things, what do we label you as? Whistleblower?
Is rat fink, snitch? Tattletale? Correct? The other person is
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the one doing something they shouldn't be doing. You're the
one telling the world, Hey, they're doing this thing that
they shouldn't be doing. Yet when you do put your
name on it, you become a tattletale, snitch, rat fink.
When you don't, it's like, oh, Like the reality is
that we never would have gotten to all of what
went on in the Nixon administration if not for deep Throat.
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Deep throat was known as deep throat because we don't
know the name or identity of that person, just that
they had a deep voice, right.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
I think in the last five or ten years of
deep throat was revealed though, and it didn't make the
news that it should have. But it has been revealed
at some point.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, who is it?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I think it was maybe somebody who passed away. It
was somebody in the administration. But but so Justin Tucker
complainers about anonymous sources and Steve Curry just wining to
us or Steph Cory's just lying to us.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I'd say, Justin Tucker is.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Why are we doing this? Because we can?
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
This was Travis Kelsey's take on the Justin Tucker thing.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
If you're trying to go onto the other team's designated area,
you kind of stay out of their way, you know,
you don't. You don't interfere with what they have going on.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
That is the unwritten rule.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
That's the unwritten rule. If you want to be a
about it, you keep your helmet and your football and
your kicking tee right where the quarterbacks are warming up
and they're dropping eyes are looking left and they got
a helmet down by their feet.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
It's actually kind of dangerous, really like, if.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
You're not going to pick that up, I'll happily move
that for you.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
How good is that, dude?
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I love ad Jason Kelsey explaining and Travis Kelsey explaining,
I'll happily move it for you. It's the utter sidecasting
to it, which, by the way, words hand in hand
with our annoying why can we play it for you
because we can. It's guitar pick of the day.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Okay, sir, the bet is to you. Maybe it's time
for the pick of the day.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Man. I killed with the pick of the day yesterday.
I'll try and kill with the pick of the day
today as well. We'll go to the Mountain West for
Boise State. Okay, Boise State, who just lost at home
to Utah State, travels to take on New Mexico. Now,
New Mexico has been unbelievable and they're undefeated at home.
Boise is in need of a huge road wind and
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this would potentially provide it. But here's what I like
about the game. Okay, I like that the total is
one forty nine and a half. Okay, one forty nine
and a half. Why does that matter? Because I want
you to take a listen to how many points New
Mexico has scored. Okay, more specifically at a home last
home game WASVTA, they scored eighty nine. Course, Nevada only
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had fifty five. Hey, they scored ninety five and eighty
five on the road, ninety nine at home against Utah State,
eighty eight at home against San Diego State to win
seventy seven against Wyoming and then kind of you go
back and never scored in the sixties at home all year.
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Matter of fact, most of their scores have been in the eighties,
some in the nineties. And they even scored one hundred
against New Mexico State. Okay, So if the number is
one hundred and forty nine and a half, and the
assumption is they're gonna score eighty and Boise likes to
get up and down as well and play, and they're
Boise's gonna fatigue. Boise just gave up ninety. They do
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play a lot of their games in the sixties. Okay,
But if you can score in the eighties and they
can score in the sixties, that's right about one for another,
I think this is a closer game played in New
Mexico's pace. I like the over, give me the over
in the New Mexico Boise State game. That's our pick
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
One of Dog Gottlieb Show, the bonus of Already Hope
You're doing well. It's a Gotlieb Show broadcast live from
Los Angeles. Oh so we got a lot to get
to here, JAYSU, as we're still a week and a
(00:33):
half away from the super Bowl, the super Bowl. You
know what's really interesting is I spent over a decade
in this business and didn't go to a super Bowl,
or actually about a decade didn't go to super Bowl.
And then since I left ESPN went to CBS, before
I went to Fox, I've been to every super Bowl since.
(00:54):
And one I can tell you how incredibly valuable it
is in our industry to be at Radio Row, maybe
more than just having this show at Radio Row, just
all the people you run into. It really is like
a broadcaster's convention, you know, and you run into the agents,
(01:15):
establish rapport like it's so incredibly important. But we're gonna
be there. You and I are getting there Sunday night,
and I'm actually gonna stay I think till Saturday morning.
I may stay for the game. I don't know. I
always say I'll stay for the game, and then you know,
if you've been anywhere for a week is a long time.
But Vegas, when you're there Sunday night, the night week before,
(01:37):
it's weird. And I'll repeat this on the radio because
I do say it every year because every year, whoever
is around agrees with me and can understand this metaphor.
But it's a lot like when there's a party and
your friends like, yeah, we're gonna have people over come
over about seven, right, So I don't know how you are. Generally,
I would never be early to somewhere and yeah, as
(02:00):
you know, I'm not an early guy. But you know,
on the rare occasion you want to be prompt if
you get there maybe a little bit before seven, Like
you get there and the husband just got home from
playing golf. The wife is like, you just get and
you end up setting everything up with them, you know,
and then by the time the party starts, you're like,
you're kind of over it. And then you know, once
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it gets still with the pine time you want to
be there, you're kind of ready to go. That is
exactly what going to the super Bowl on a Monday
and Tuesday's like, you know, like people, they're still putting
up signs, they're still getting everything all spit shined. Because
Thursday on is when it when it gets real. You know,
the parties get different, the dinners get different, the people
(02:42):
get different. You know, it's still cool and and it's
actually a lot more personal. You get a lot more
work done Monday through Wednesday in terms of meeting with
people and talking to people whenever. But yeah, it's you
are You're kind of setting up the party. So look,
guys that we're a week and a half away from
(03:02):
the super Bowl, obviously we're gonna talk a ton of football.
And you know, Mike McDonald agreen to terms with the
Seahawks today. That makes it really interesting what the Washington
commanders are going to do as their job still open.
But I thought that this conversation is a good one
because there's a there's a bit of an echo chamber
(03:27):
with the NBA. And here's what I mean. By the way,
don't you like the jsdu Do you like the word
echo chamber? I like the two words echo chamber.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
It's a really good it sounds good like Uh, Lorena
and I were talking about this recently because echo chamber
just sounds like it sounds great. Like my favorite word,
my sounding word of all time is perhaps. And she
was just telling me that hearing us use the word juxtapose,
(03:57):
and she's really fallen in love with the way that
that's sounds.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
I have one nefarious, nefarious. I love the word nefarious.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Anyway, what was the word I was looking I was
using before chextapose the chamber in the So there's an
echo chamber in the NBA. And for people who don't
know what the echo chamber is, I think they basically know.
It's an environment where a person only encounters information opinions
that reflect or reinforce their own right. It's just a
place where everybody agrees with everybody. Huh oh, I's a
(04:33):
great idea. So the problem with when you don't have
Barkley on, the problem you don't have Barkley on is
you have everything is pro player and it's okay, okay,
it's more than okay to be, you know, for the players,
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but it can't be one hundred percent that way. I mean,
this is how we we're fucking embarrassing as media members.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
We kiss up to.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
Student athletes all, you know, I feel like, here's what
I think happens. I think that a lot of people
who are non athletes really do idolize the athletic skill
of so many people. That's part of it. But I
also think that the athletes were always at the cool
(05:30):
guy table, and most broadcasters were not cool guys growing up.
He's just not, you know, like Iron Eagle is a
dear friend of mine. He'll tell you like his both
his parents were like vaudeville performers. He grew up like
watching TV, making smart ass comments and then calling games
to himself, and that's how he became like the greatest,
Like he's Iron Eagle might be the funniest human being
(05:50):
I know, truthfully, but he would not say, like when
he grew up, he was at the cool guy table.
So I think broadcasters are generally not cool and one
to be at the cool guy table. Many of them
love athletic, love athletes and what they can do, wish
they were that. So there's a certain idolization to it.
And then you have athletes themselves to become broadcasters, and
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they want to be cool and hang out with their buddies,
so they always take the athletes side too, and it's okay,
it's okay to push back. And so here's what's happened.
The NBA passed a rule and by the way, the
Players Association agreed to the rule. That's my favorite part
about all this stuff, Like you can't just pass rules
(06:34):
in professional sports and not run it by the players.
So you can't make what first team All NBA if
you don't, or you can't be you can't get any
of the honors, you know, Comeback Player of the Year, MVP,
whatever unless you play sixty five games. Sixty five games, okay.
(06:57):
So here's what I want you to do. I want
you to just can you do you want to do?
The math of sixty five isn't it divided by eighty two? Right?
That's seventy nine percent of the games you have to play? Okay.
So here's Jamal Crawford because there's this big talk about
well terse Haliburton came out and was like, man, this
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is crazy. I had to play in this game coming
off of a hamstring pull or whatever in order to
get the Supermax contract. And here's Jamal Crawford on inside
the NBA.
Speaker 5 (07:30):
We put up the graphic of the games missed and
the guys that are getting close to the point where
they're not going to be eligible for.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Those postseason awards.
Speaker 5 (07:39):
And it says not just about awards. There's contract money
tied into some of these postseason awards as you see there,
and the Halliburton and Embiid are dealing with this right now.
Halliburton did say he came out and said it's not
a rule that he likes. His coach even came out
to his defense. Do you think Jamal this is factoring
into some want like Embid's mindset about playing hurt and
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not resting up.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
For the playoffs.
Speaker 7 (08:04):
I hope not, because we all want these guys to
play like that's what they do, that's what we do
as athletes. But if we're risking further injury or compensation
or anything for that, I understand what the NBA was
doing as far as Okay, let's get these guys playing,
but not if Joe Embiid is hurt, it doesn't matter
if they're sixth or second, third, fourth and fifth option
(08:26):
or unbelievable, it won't matter. And for the league that's
not good because these guys are so important. So I'm
just hoping it's not serious, and we'll have to look
at that because as fans, I don't have a vote.
I think you have a vote left. Co even if
they played whatever number it is, people still have to
vote for them, if they made or not. They don't.
They shouldn't have to risk themselves in their livelihood to
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say I need to meet a quota to be eligible
for this stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Here's the problem with that, okay, because what really bothers
the players is not the awards. It really has nothing
to do with you awards. We all know what has
to do with money, and the Supermax is substantially more money.
All of it is monopoly money that there's no possible
way you could spend it all if you have any
(09:10):
sort of fucking brains, you know, anything going on up
in your uh, in your uh.
Speaker 7 (09:18):
What is it?
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Ub ubblin doula money Madula Oblin gotta medula Ablin, gotta right,
there's nothing if you don't have anything going if you
got to be a class a fucking idiot or just
the worst money manager of all time. But bigger point,
it has nothing to do with the awards. Don't let
anybody tell you, Oh these guys are they want to
(09:40):
win the MVP. They don't give a shit do they
want to win a league MVP? Like yeah, okay, but
if you really want to league winning VP, then you're
not playing sixty sixty four sixty three games. You're just not.
And you're also not winning it when you play that
few games anyway either. So it comes down to being
about the money. And I understand that there's a younger
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What are people who are twenty five and younger? What
are there are they? Gen What are they? Is that
gen Z? I understand that gen Z has taken the
work smarter or not harder, to a level that is
just like ridiculous, Like it's it's now to the do
as little as you possibly can and then find a
way to leave that job to make as much as
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you possibly can. Where you're then going to do as
little as you possibly can to then leave that job
and make as much as you possibly can. Is that right?
And everybody who's like twenty four is like yeah, fuck yeah,
why now why wouldn't I do that? That's that's brilliant,
Like yeah, because that's not actually the way it works.
Why do you have to ask yourself all the time?
Why do you get paid. I've said this for years
(10:51):
that people don't want to listen to me like Skip Ba.
People always go like Skip Bayless is worth whatever whatever
value you want to make about him. Compare him to
I don't know Bob Costas for years, Bob Costa is
an amazing broadcaster, but he's not on every day, Like
when you're working every day five days week. First of all,
when you're doing a morning show the Age Old and Jaseu,
(11:16):
you can you can attest to this. What they tell
you about doing morning radio morning TV is they don't
really pay you. If they don't pay you to do
the show, they pay you to get up right at
some point because at some point in everyone's life, because
you know, just so you know, like if you're on
at six in the morning, you have a show meeting
at four in the morning, if and that's even that's
(11:39):
kind of pushing it. And if you're on at nine
in the morning, you're gonna have a show meeting at
seven in the morning, maybe six, depending on what kind
of ship you run, right, And that means again you're
getting up at four thirty five. You gotta get yourself
up and a round like it's and you're like, well,
I get up that early anyway, Okay, but you have
to make cognitive thoughts. My point is that why Skip Bayless,
(12:02):
why Colin Cowhard, why these guys that do these daily shows,
why they get paid so much money? Is it's a
volume play. It's it's not a big event like these.
They're different kinds of ways to get paid in this business,
and in radio, it's a volume play. Sports on TV
(12:24):
generally is about volume. You get people who tweet out
stuff about the NBA and the ratings that they don't
fucking understand, like, no, this the ratings are down. But
part of it is it's the NBA. TV's all Nbas,
all across the TV landscape. It's on all the time.
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Basketball on television is a volume play. Sure, you might
get only a million people to watch, okay, but those
are usually young males, those are spenders or whatever. And
you know, well, you're paying a ton of money, but
you're getting a ton of volume of product in return.
(13:05):
So the reason NBA players are able to command that
much money is the TV money combined with all the
revenue generated on site, right, and the reason that the
TV numbers aren't great, But the reason you can. You know,
you can demand so much money from your rights holders
is hey, look we may only give you a million people,
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but we'll give you a million people four nights a
week and then on the weekend as well. It's all
about volume. Nothing else brings that. Live sports brings that
to you. And it doesn't cost a ton to produce
because you don't have writers. You know, you don't have scripts,
you don't have all this other stuff you have with shows. Anyway,
point is you get paid a ridiculous amount of money
(13:53):
for your number of performances. It's no different than when
you go on tour. You know, like you go on tour,
you make money on tour, not on one event. Why
did how did Taylor Swift become a billionaire? She went
and played like seven nights in a row at places,
and then she goes somewhere else and play seven nights
(14:15):
in a row. Taylor Swift would not have made She
wouldn't Who would go to a tour if she's like, hey,
I got all these dates, but I'm only going to
perform at two thirds of them, Like, there's no tour
that way. That's what you have to compare yourself to
(14:37):
or to anyone else's. So what you want in a
super max contract is a race to be paid at
the very top of the scale. So you want to
work as little as possible and then get paid more
money than anybody else because when you do work, you're great. Yeah,
it doesn't that's not the way your business works. That's
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not the way any business works. And I understand it's
not for everybody. Everybody's body can't hold up. Oh yeah,
By the way, the NBA just commissioned a study that
shows that resting players does not appear to have any
lasting effect in terms of the volume of or severity
(15:22):
of injuries, Like it doesn't actually prevent injuries. And I've
said this for a long time, Like the guys that
aren't playing, they're still working out. And if you completely
shut it down to rest, you're actually more likely to
get hurt than if you just play every night. You know,
and guys have played every night for years. You just
got to take care of your body. If you don't
(15:43):
take care of your body, you'll be out of the
league soon. But I just it sounds very much like
an echo chamber. And I thought Jamal Crawford, like he's
a super bright guy, He'm not an idiot, you know,
he can textualize it really well. He's like, look, I
understand ye had to do it. He's like, but they
got to protect their bodies. Like what are we talking about.
(16:05):
Sometimes NBA guys they act like their NFL guys, you know,
like there aren't an NBA guys that are walking down
the street with dementia. They're just not you know. Yeah,
some of them have bad knees, bad hips, bad back.
There's a lot of guys that that didn't play basketball
that have that. You know, when you get done playing.
(16:27):
There's a lot of guys that they'd let their bodies
go because they've been working out their whole lives and
they don't want to do it. But this is a
universal adult problem that people have as for should they
have to play Absolutely, if you want to be an
MVP league, you want to be first team, you got
to play sixty Like that's not well, we don't we
shouldn't put a limit on it. You voted on it,
(16:50):
it approved, it's done, And it wouldn't have happened if
not for the fact that people were abusing the privilege
of missing a game because they would miss too many
games that's what all this stuff is about. And so yeah,
maybe a couple of guys get screwed in it. There
might be a guy or you get showed, but it's
better than all the fans getting screwed because what's missing
(17:15):
from what we teach these players is, Hey, the reason
that you're able to make so much money is because, look,
you play forty one home games, you got to be
there and playing. That all NBA guy especially has to
be there and playing because otherwise our paying audience. Why
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would you go show up if you know, oh, hey,
here comes the pick the team, here comes to seventy
six ers. Like imagine you're a Nuggets fan, right, they
win the championship and you're like, man, I'm fired up.
You know what I want to buy. I want to
buy a season ticket package and I want to go
see the best guys come in and take On and
two years in a row and be ducks him and
doesn't play, be fucking pissed. And not anybody on that
(17:58):
desk has admitted like that's bullshit. Well he was injured, Like,
get the fuck out of here. He was healthy enough
to have seventy three points or seventy points. You're hurt,
you're not injured. We all know the difference. If you're hurt,
get back out there. Ice it when you're done. If
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you're injured, go see a doctor. Shut it down. But
I imagine, and like the Nuggets fans have had it good.
But I'm like, you win a championship, your season ticket
prices increase dramatically. So I'm paying twice as much for
tickets now. Second, I gotta go see himb take on Jokiic,
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the two best big guys in the NBA, and the
dude ducks him again and get the fuck out of
here with that. There's no defending that. There's no defending
that to me.
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Let's get through the Fox set and now, I'd say
every day this time the Doug Gotlib Show. In the
Bonus Podcast, we played for you a portion of a
previous show on Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports One. Here's
Dan Patrick and Greg Olsen talk about Olsen's future as
a broadcaster.
Speaker 1 (19:16):
I want to call top games.
Speaker 8 (19:17):
I want to call games in front of fifty seven
million people and dive into the biggest moments and why
it's happening. And I feel like we've done as good
a job as that as anybody in the industry over
the last couple of seasons. And where that is, how
that is, when that is? I don't know right there's
so many moving parts out of my control. But my
goal is to be a top a broadcaster again, and
(19:39):
I'm going to do everything in my power to achieve that.
And that's been the goal that I've laid out since
I entered this field upon retirement three years ago.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Would you ask for a trade, I'm not really.
Speaker 8 (19:51):
In the business of making demands. You know, I'm not
sitting here holding anyone's feed to the fire. At Fox.
It understands the position I'm in. They understand what my
ass inspirations are. You know, we're not sitting there banging
the table and saying you have to let us get
you know, We're not in that. We're not doing that.
You know. We we understand what we signed up for.
They understand where where I am and being at this
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stage of my career of where I want to go,
and I think we're all we understand the delicate situation
that we're in, right, I understand when Tom Brady's looming
over your shoulder, it's the biggest news in sports. I
get it. He's Tom Brady. He's someone I've respected for
damn twenty years. So I understand the the uniqueness of
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what's going on.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
There's there's a lot to it. First, I love I
love how many people have had his back and said
he's a really good broadcaster, because he is. And you know,
look this, this this happens. You know, people unseat other
people because of their name and the reputation. I do
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think it's interesting that, you know, the guys who are
the top broadcasters in college basketball over the past twenty
five years, by my estimation, will be Bill Raftery, Dick
Y Tal Jay Billis. Bill rafter he was never a
(21:23):
great coach. You know, he coached at Seaton Hall before
PJ took over and took him to the Final four, right,
dick Vy Tale was he did a nice job at
Detroit and he was a coach of Pistons, But like
he's been doing college basketball since really the infancy of
Cable and Jay Billis was a good player at Duke,
but he wasn't ever the best player on his team,
(21:43):
and yet they're phenomenal broadcasters. There's others as well, you know.
I mean, hell, I I think I call as good
a game as anybody, but the who gets those opportunities
and it's like, look, Grant Hill was Grant Hill. Hey,
he's Grant Hill. And Grant's become really good. And when
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anybody starts, they're not good like one thing. And this
is actually a testament to Greg. He's been really good
for a long time. He was even when he remember
he did a weekend in the games when he was
still a player, he was still very good. Then that's
really hard to do because anyone else who first starts out,
like I can tell you if you watch my tapes.
When I first, I was shitty. I talked too much
and you know, and talked over my play by play
(22:31):
guy like I didn't know what I was doing. But like, look,
Grant calls the Final four, and I mean I was
a CBS. There's lots of other really talented guys to
see it, but they're not Grant fucking Hill. You know.
Now they have Grant, they have Jay right will probably
whenever Raft retires. Like they work together some he'll replace
(22:54):
Raft eventually, and Jay's really really good, but part of
it was Jay Wright one two national championships. He's he's
like the iconic coach of twenty twenties. So that's just
in the NBA. Obviously, if Doris calls the NBA finals,
that's a huge thing, huge. But what's interesting is that
(23:23):
you know who they have called the NBA finals, Like
Mark Jackson was never a first team All NBA player,
not a Hall of Fame player, not a Hall of
Fame coach. Jeff Van Gutty was a good coach. Obviously,
he's famous for coaching the New York Knicks. That makes
you more famous. But they were great together calling the
NBA finals. Great. They're not Phil Jackson, they're not Greg Popovich,
(23:45):
they're not even Larry Brown, none of them have none
of them won a championship. But they were awesome broadcasters.
And if you want to throw Doris in, they're great.
Like she never coached, played in the NBA WNBA, like
nobody remembers her as a player. She's just a good broadcast.
And yet we have this thing where we have to
go after the star person, the star player. We're hoping
(24:09):
we're hoping that we can find the Troy Aikman out there,
the Hall of Fame player who's a Hall of Fame broadcaster,
and those guys are hard to find. But I'll also
point out, and this is where I would have I
would point out to Greg. It's like he's like talking
about where he is now. He was not signed to
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be the number one broadcaster at Fox. He was signed
to be the number two guy, and then he ended
up replacing and filling in when when the Akman thing
didn't make it Fox and he went over to ESPN.
So there is a little of like, dude, I get it,
you were great, but you were never really signed for
that spot. And he's like the interim coach who everybody
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wants to see hired, and they go out and they
go sign the biggest name out there on free agency.
Here's pretty Quinn talking about the Commanders and Ben Johnson
turning them down.
Speaker 9 (25:03):
If you are Ben Johnson and you here, because we
talk about this all the time when like a quarterback
comes up to have their contract, you know, extended, like
what should he make? Well, he's not Patrick Mahomes, right,
No one's Patrick Mahomes in the NFL. But we see
guys who outpace them with their contract, do we not,
who don't have the qualifications or or having you know,
(25:26):
achieved as much as Patrick Mahomes has. Yet we don't
say anything with those guys st are past Patrick Mahomes contract,
do we? So then why is it an issue If
a guy like Ben Johnson, who by the way, was
interviewing last year for head coaching jobs.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Puts up a price tag.
Speaker 9 (25:43):
That's I don't know, along the same as Bill Belichick.
Maybe he feels like he is the next Bill Belichick,
like you're the Washington Commandos. You've got this new ownership
group that supposedly got such deep pockets you can't afford
to pay for the maybe the youngest, brightest mind the
game right now, a guy who didn't come him from
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the Shanahan tree kind of hasn't paved his own path
in a way. So I'm just saying, if that's the report,
it's kind of just contradicting because we see, if it
not ever have an issue with this when Dak Prescott
signs the best deal for a quarterback right in the NFL.
Get if a coordinator then wants to have one of
(26:25):
the best contracts as a head coach that all of
a sudden becomes an issue. I don't know, doesn't really
make as much sense to me.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I think it The easy way to explain it is
we had somebody on yesterday who kind of explained like
he wanted to make me move price. You know, he
wanted fuck you money and they weren't willing to give
it to him. But I think it's weird, like, how have
you not pivoted to Vrabel? Yet? Have you not pivoted
(26:56):
to Belichick? So what happens in Washington is it was
such a great franchise and then you had such good
energy with the with the change in ownership, who they
pick for coach, who they picked for quarterback is going
to tell you a lot about who they want to
be here moving forward. Here's Colin Cowherd talking about the Jets.
Speaker 10 (27:15):
When Brady went to Tampa. You could say, well, Tom
wanted certain things. Yes, a hall of fame tight end
in Gronk that was still great in big games and
a bit of a wacko but hall of fame talent
Antonio Brown and a veteran running back Lenny Furnat. He
didn't want second and third expensive wide receivers. He didn't
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want old guys who couldn't play anymore or buddies. Tom
wanted guys who could still in big games. Bring it
not Alan Lazard, who was a healthy scratch late in
the season and expensive. Again, why Belichick can't get a
gig and why Aaron is not relevant? You've got to
be able to sacrifice, collaborate and win on terms that
(28:02):
aren't always yours. You don't always get your way in
this league. Adding a defensive head coach we know for
the fifth straight Super Bowl offensive coach versus offensive coach.
The story went on with thirty sources saying it's not
uncommon for team decisions to go through Aaron Rodgers said
(28:22):
an NFL general manager. Rogers isn't the assistant GM. Joe
Douglas is the assistant GM. I didn't think they'd be
a playoff team this year. I don't think they're a
playoff team next year. You win upstairs first.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Yeah, the Jets appear to be everything you thought they'd be,
which is a mess, and you don't have It's interesting,
you know, like Salah has gotten the pass so many
times over because he looks the part, you know, and
I hard knocks makes anybody much more likable, and we
saw him with San Francisco. But people who watch the
(29:04):
games like, well, they're not that well coached. And yeah,
I mean like, look, I get it, losing Aaron Rodgers
is a disaster of a season. But man, the dysfunction
within those walls. And maybe you could write this piece
on just about any NFL franchise, but it does feel
very very a very very jet story. That's what the
(29:25):
Fox said.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
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Speaker 2 (29:39):
Let's find out who What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
And now it's your annoying, hey, Doug.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
So more information has come out about this Justin Tucker,
I guess miscommunication or or something. Before the game on Sunday,
Justin Tucker decided to warm up as Pat Mahomes and
Kelsey and the offense were trying to do their things.
So it sounds like it's a he said, he said
thing here. Justin Tucker says that he's always warms up
(30:16):
there and that that that's no exception on Sunday. Patrick
Mahomes went on his radio hit yesterday and.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
Said this, I've had like seven years of kind of
doing that same warm up routine, and there's been a
I think like three occasions where there's been a kicker
that wasn't a because you know, you can talk to
the guys, there had been a kicker that wasn't necessarily
moving out the way or you weren't kind of sharing
the field in the right way. And I mean it
was in Baltimore all three times. So he does that
(30:43):
little stuff. I think he's trying to get under our
skin and I asked him to move his stuff.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
So there's been a lot of like blame spread. Lamar
Jackson has absorbed a lot of it. Todd Monkin has
absorbed a lot of it. I think John Harbaugh has
kind of skated on the blame from what happens. I
don't think that we could overstate how much of a
choke job that was overall for the Ravens after the
season they had, But trying to intimidate people that can't
(31:10):
be intimidated as a kicker, I think was a misstep.
It was big news before the game. Obviously we were
clamoring for something to talk about, and it became a thing,
and like this little Justin Tucker thing to like, I
don't know, get inside their head or get under their
their skin, Like is that what you want to do
to Patrick Mahomes. I mean, so, I think Justin Tucker's
(31:32):
annoying for thinking if this was a head game that
he can get away with it.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
I think I'm with you. I do think that there's
I honestly think it was Justin Tucker trying to just
fuck around and keep it light, and those guys were
just not They just weren't in the mood. And it's
one of those it's really interesting, right, like I don't
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know how you are before a big event or poor
a big thing, Like some people just can't they don't
joke around. They got to like hit a switch mentally,
and it's kind of annoying. Some people are like annoyingly
relaxed and loose, And I honestly think that's what happened here,
is that Justin Tucker was just trying to fuck around
and be a regular guy and not be that serious.
(32:23):
And then Kelsey, who's usually a really happy, go lucky guy,
and same with Mahomes like they just weren't having it,
and so it spiraled into something that it's not not
really what it was intended to be.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
Help me out with this name, Doug, is it Sabrina?
I Andieska, I ask you.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
So.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
I guess he and Steph Curry are going to do
something at the three Point Challenge and there's a big
deal out of it. And you know, Steph went on
T and T last night and he literally says it's
the coolest thing ever to be matched up against Sabrina
in the three point contest. Now, I know Steph is
a real big supporter of women's basketball, and at every
(33:01):
turn he tries to pump it up. And I get that,
and I appreciate that it's not my thing, but I
appreciate what he's doing. I just he's being intellectually dishonest
when he says this is the coolest thing ever. This
is a This is a guy who took Davidson to
the what Sweet sixteen Elite eight. He's a guy who
has won NBA championships. He's been to the very top.
I think he's won gold medals in the Olympics. You're
(33:25):
not going to convince me that a three point competition
against Sabrina even cracks your top ten of coolest thing ever.
Speaker 2 (33:34):
Correct? Correct? I mean she's shooting with a smaller ball
from a shorter line, you know. And again this is
a lot. It's like anything else, like could you do
it with other people on the floor, could you get open,
get a shot off? But shooting is the one place
in which you could compete on even playing field. This
(33:55):
is not even playing field with a smaller ball on
a short line.
Speaker 3 (34:01):
Quickly. So this Jet story that that the Colin referred
to amazing story was some great some great dirt. I
would I recommend anyone read the athletic article. I think
Russini and the Jets beat guy. Anonymous sources have become
a target again by former players on Twitter since this
(34:22):
came out. Put a name on it, put your name
on it, is always the cry from the from the
people with these anonymous sources stories. They don't understand the
basic uh, the premise of journalism and protecting sources. And
if you didn't protect sources, then the truth can't come out.
It's I don't know why or how this hasn't been
(34:43):
explained to people when they go to the put your
name on a card, but it always annoys us.
Speaker 2 (34:48):
Thank you so much, it's fucking infuriating. Listen to me. Okay,
you can't put your name on things when they can
get you fucking fired. By the way, when you do
put your name on things, what do we label you as? Whistleblower?
Is rat fink, snitch? Tattletale? Correct? The other person is
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the one doing something they shouldn't be doing. You're the
one telling the world, Hey, they're doing this thing that
they shouldn't be doing. Yet when you do put your
name on it, you become a tattletale, snitch, rat fink.
When you don't, it's like, oh, Like the reality is
that we never would have gotten to all of what
went on in the Nixon administration if not for deep Throat.
(35:37):
Deep throat was known as deep throat because we don't
know the name or identity of that person, just that
they had a deep voice, right.
Speaker 3 (35:46):
I think in the last five or ten years of
deep throat was revealed though, and it didn't make the
news that it should have. But it has been revealed
at some point.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
Yeah, who is it?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
I think it was maybe somebody who passed away. It
was somebody in the administration. But but so Justin Tucker
complainers about anonymous sources and Steve Curry just wining to
us or Steph Cory's just lying to us.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
I'd say, Justin Tucker is.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Why are we doing this? Because we can?
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
This was Travis Kelsey's take on the Justin Tucker thing.
Speaker 6 (36:26):
If you're trying to go onto the other team's designated area,
you kind of stay out of their way, you know,
you don't. You don't interfere with what they have going on.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
That is the unwritten rule.
Speaker 6 (36:38):
That's the unwritten rule. If you want to be a
about it, you keep your helmet and your football and
your kicking tee right where the quarterbacks are warming up
and they're dropping eyes are looking left and they got
a helmet down by their feet.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
It's actually kind of dangerous, really like, if.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
You're not going to pick that up, I'll happily move
that for you.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
How good is that, dude?
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Right?
Speaker 2 (37:01):
I love ad Jason Kelsey explaining and Travis Kelsey explaining,
I'll happily move it for you. It's the utter sidecasting
to it, which, by the way, words hand in hand
with our annoying why can we play it for you
because we can. It's guitar pick of the day.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Okay, sir, the bet is to you. Maybe it's time
for the pick of the day.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Man. I killed with the pick of the day yesterday.
I'll try and kill with the pick of the day
today as well. We'll go to the Mountain West for
Boise State. Okay, Boise State, who just lost at home
to Utah State, travels to take on New Mexico. Now,
New Mexico has been unbelievable and they're undefeated at home.
Boise is in need of a huge road wind and
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this would potentially provide it. But here's what I like
about the game. Okay, I like that the total is
one forty nine and a half. Okay, one forty nine
and a half. Why does that matter? Because I want
you to take a listen to how many points New
Mexico has scored. Okay, more specifically at a home last
home game WASVTA, they scored eighty nine. Course, Nevada only
(38:02):
had fifty five. Hey, they scored ninety five and eighty
five on the road, ninety nine at home against Utah State,
eighty eight at home against San Diego State to win
seventy seven against Wyoming and then kind of you go
back and never scored in the sixties at home all year.
(38:22):
Matter of fact, most of their scores have been in the eighties,
some in the nineties. And they even scored one hundred
against New Mexico State. Okay, So if the number is
one hundred and forty nine and a half, and the
assumption is they're gonna score eighty and Boise likes to
get up and down as well and play, and they're
Boise's gonna fatigue. Boise just gave up ninety. They do
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play a lot of their games in the sixties. Okay,
But if you can score in the eighties and they
can score in the sixties, that's right about one for another,
I think this is a closer game played in New
Mexico's pace. I like the over, give me the over
in the New Mexico Boise State game. That's our pick
of the day. All right, kids, check out the rest
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