February 27, 2024 • 29 mins
Doug riffs about the Lebron James tweet defending his son Bronny before it was deleted. Doug reacts to Keyshawn Johnson's take on the running back market. Doug chooses among deserving candidates who Jason Stewart deems as most annoying. Plus, Doug gives out his Pick Of The Day.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, you know this is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
Years in the Bonus with Doug gottlie Ahead.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's so I got the showing the bonus on Fox
Sports Radio, the iHeart Radio app Welcome in Boys and Girls.
So yesterday we talked about the Browny James being moved
off of the draft boards for twenty twenty four, and
he's on the draft boards for twenty twenty five, right,
(00:35):
And it's kind of fascinating to me, Okay, fascinating to
me that people are just now going, well, what Lebron
did yesterday. So Lebron tweets out, hey, just let the
kid be a kid. Then he deleted the tweet, you know,
(00:59):
like he were hard? Why just let him be a kid?
And the problem with it is, well, who hyped him
up more than Lebron saying he's better than half these
dudes in the league right now? That was a year ago,
and a year ago I was like, no, he's not.
He's not a top five player or top ten player
in his high school league. And what people have to
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understand is my energy doesn't come from any sort of negativity,
like I actually understand. It's got to be hard to
be Lebron Jameson right, because one the expectations are, well,
you're supposed to be better than your dad because he
was better than whoever his dad was right, and you
have all of the best trainers, the best shoes. There's
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inherent jealousy, like it's a easy and any dad believes
in his son, or should believe in his son above
what anyone else's level of belief is. I tell my
son that all the time. Dude, no one believes any
more than I do. Now you gotta. I also know
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how hard you work, and I know the things that
you do, and and so if you're not working that hard,
I don't feel you know, I'm not as as hurt
for you. You know, sometimes you work really hard and
the shot doesn't go in. But if you don't work
really hard, well, then I'm not really that bumm for you.
But on a much more limited scale, I actually understand it.
(02:28):
My son is little, He's probably going to be smaller
than me. I'm not exactly big to begin with, but
it's basketball is a game where, for the most part,
you know, guys are getting bigger and bigger and bigger
and bigger. These are and it's harder the way people
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play defense, where you've got to guard bigger positions and
bigger bodies and there's just limitations size wise. It's why
Jalen Brunson should be like everyone's hero, because he's not
a blur as an athlete. He's the son of a
former pro and yet he's a guy who's made it
above the level that his dad even made it. But
(03:09):
it's definitely let's just go with interesting that Lebron is
the one criticizing people for any sort of criticism towards
his son, like stop over hyping him. Like dude, you
over hyped him? What are we doing here? So I
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think the best course of action, and I said it
last year and I've said it all this year is
he cannot take a dad's word for it. He's blinded
by love, blinded by love. And sometimes we're more harsh
towards towards the people we love, but usually when we're
told and when somebody's asked how good they are? You
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know you love your son more than any other kid,
so of course you think he's the best. Jasey, what
do you.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Think I mean? I I think you make all the
all the good points. I wanted. I wanted to insert
this is it Javoni the Yeah, you know, he came
out yesterday and he said that he has not put
Brownie in the twenty four draft class sense his heart issue.
Does that change your impression of how things went down?
(04:22):
In other words, he had made that proclamation that it
was going to be I think what a lottery pick
or something prior to the incident with the heart. Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I mean, look, it's obviously going to hurt your preparation
for the season and your development if you can't touch
a basketball for three months. And I think in the
real world, would it You know you're gonna have there's
so many steps you're gonna have to make to get
drafted if you have that on your medicals. But I
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think it's a bit of a cop out, right.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Well?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I mean, like I he was never the tenth best prospect, right,
he was never a FD not based upon his talent
or his potential. He just wasn't Like he shouldn't have
been a McDonald's American last year. Just shouldn't. There were
a lot better players, you know, Heleb Foster, Dusty Stromer,
(05:26):
two kids that played against him on the same team
in high school, right, But and look, politics does play
a factor in lots of different things. I just I
try to be the guy that plays it down in
the middle. So that's what I really think. I don't
carry into whether he's Lebron's son not Lebron's son. I
feel bad for the kids sometimes, and I actually understand
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a lot of what makes Lebron act this way. You know,
his dad was never in his life, and he is
actually in his son's life, despite the fact that he's
a likely to be somewhere near a hundred millionaire and
a billionaire when he's done playing, and he's in any
conversations the greatest player ever, and he's played in all
these different cities, and yet they have, by all accounts,
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a really close knit relationship, and he's helping him on
this journey. He's still you know, one reason I know
he's never going to leave the Lakers is because his
kids are here and he goes and sees his kids' games.
So it's it's in terms of parenting. I don't think
it's bad parenting. I just I even think the criticism Lebron,
but it's you know, who told you he was the
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first round pickball. You said he could play in the NBA.
But if you're a bad parent because you love your
kid too much, are you really a bad parent? Probably not? Anyway,
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Do you think I'm trying to go through the reasons
he deleted the tweet? Now? The NBA beat writers tend
to be so sick of fantish. I don't I don't
know if anyone's going to ask him tonight why he
did it, So I don't know if I'll ever get
the answer, But I guess the best theory is that
maybe he realized the hypocrisy and what he wrote, or
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maybe that he was adding much more attention than he
wanted to, or did he that he needed to. I
don't know. I'd love to know why he did it.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I would too, I would too, I would, I would.
I would like to know why he did it. If
somebody from PR is like, hey, dude, take that down.
It looks bad, or you're just bringing attention to the
fact that he's no longer on the draft boards or whatever.
I don't know, Like, look I have. It's one of
those things where you this is what we want from athletes.
(07:43):
We want real, organic access, We want to know what
they're really thinking. Unfortunately, this is what he's really thinking, right,
that Lebron really thought his son could plain in the
NBA and now when he's not. And look again, it
that's a legit issue, the hard issue in terms of
what his draft stock is. But like the real reality is,
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like no one thought he was that level of player
outside Lebron before that. So the hard thing is a
real thing obviously, and a really scary thing. And I'm
just like anybody else, happy he's healthy back playing basketball.
But the uh, I mean, I this is really why
PR firms have existed for years, why some people don't
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handle their own Twitter account because when they do, they're
left to their own devices. They're actually going to say
what they think and not realize that they're complete hypocrites
and doing a one to eighty. You know, it's like
the best part about Cowherd show is the column was right,
Colin was wrong. Like it's okay to be wrong. It's
okay to be wrong. I mean, honestly, if if you're
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a PR guy or if you want to help Lebron out,
you just go like, hey, you know what would have
been a really good tweet is if you said, is
if you said, hey, we've never been concerned about draft boards,
all right, the hard issue is a setback college basketball
is a little harder then maybe we thought. This has
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been a little harder than we thought. But you know,
this is a twenty year plan, not a one year plan.
I don't know. There's lots of different ways to word it,
but calling out the haters, if you will, when you
were the one who put the original stuff out, is
it's right.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I think Buker told you this yesterday, and you tell
me this information that he's no longer considered a first
round pick or even on the twenty four draft board,
that doesn't prohibit him from entering the draft or just
becoming a free agent. And then it's the pressures on
the Lakers to decide whether or not they either want
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to take a chance in draft him and kind of
look foolish just to play Kate Lebron, or wait until
he doesn't get drafted and signed as a free agent.
It puts the Lakers on a weird spot if he's
not drafted, or if he's if they have to, you know, reach,
I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It puts him in a weird spot to be honest
with you, Jay, I don't let me. Let me flush
out a different way of looking at it. You know, One,
if they draft him like late second, they can just say, hey,
you know, this is a it's like a draft and
stash type of thing, which is probably you know, he
plays in the G League, gets a call up, plays
a game with his dad, like that probably would work
(10:35):
a little bit better. But the other thing, so they
can say, like, look, he was he was a future prospect.
We just you know, jumped the line and took him
this year. The other thing is that if they do
take him, it is clearly a solid done to Lebron,
and it's like, look, we believe in him, we believe
in you, and so we're gonna take this opportunity. We're
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going to give him a legit shot. So it only
becomes a hard one if they're not on the same
page as to what everything means, if they're not communicating,
And my guess is it's all been communicated. That's my guess.
You know that. I don't think there's any chance that
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any of this happened without Lebron knowing it was gonna
happen beforehand. And I don't think that as this season
has gone for the Lakers, but especially for USC, there
hasn't been at least on some level of communication. You know,
he and Rob Polinka and Genie Buss and whatever Lebron
thinks is appropriate will likely be done on some level.
(11:41):
Like play them on the G League team. It's not
fun for the G league coach. I have to play
somebody regardless of how they play, or have to develop them.
But that's actually kind of what your job is as
a coach. The guys with two ways you gotta play,
you really do? You got to play them.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
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Speaker 2 (12:06):
Let's get to what the Fox says and now.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
What does the Fox say?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Every day of this time in the Bonus Podcast and
The Doug Gottlieb Show. You're on Fox Sports RADI you
play for your previous portion of a previous show on
fsr FS one. Here's Dan Patrick talking to Peter King
this morning. Now that you're retired, what are you going
to do Sunday night? After all the games?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Go to sleep happily and I probably won't make it
to the end of the Sunday night game, which will
be a happy moment for me because one of the
reasons I wanted to retire before the Scouting Combine is
that I used to love going to the scouting combine
five six, eight years ago. You're up to one thirty
every night, but you're also spending forty five minutes with
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Sean McVay or with whoever you know, with all these well,
not Sean McVay anymore, he doesn't go to the Scouting Combine,
but all these coaches see.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Out, Hey, how you doing.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
What's going on? You just sit with him and you
talk to him about whatever, and that is great. But
I've gotten to the point of my life I knew
one of the reasons it's time to go is that
I have no desire to stay up till one thirty
in the morning anymore to do anything. Sorry, that's just
the way it goes when you're sixty six. So that's
(13:23):
one of the reasons that I knew was time to go.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Peter Camby, miss You had a nice piece on him yesterday.
Jay Stu, just a guy who love football, covered football
and did a great job of telling us about football.
So and I do wonder how many of the old
school writers we'll still be around in this thing, right,
(13:50):
And what's missing? What the way you get when you
get guys who've been in the business for forty plus
years is just great perspective of where we've been in
stories we've heard before and all that other stuff. So
obviously we're going to lose some of that with with
with with Peter King, this is Keishawn Johnson talking about
the running back market.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
It's been this way for a minute now.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
That just really doesn't value the position the same way
it did when Walter Payton playoff.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
It's remember just a year ago, those first three that
I named, they did get tagged.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
They got tagged.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
They were getting there twelve to fourteen minutes.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
They got tagged.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
But when you look at the numbers statistically, okay, you
talk about the guys that got tagged, Tony Pollard, how
did that work out for the Cowboys? Sa Kwon Barkley,
And you talk about Josh Jacobs. You know, he played well,
but he was in and out of the lineup. Andrew whatever,
I know, Ap wants to try to get it done
with it. He really likes him absolutely running game to
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go through them, but it's also a passing game mentality
with these offensive coordinator they're looking.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
For three down backs, not two down backs.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
They're looking for guys that detach from the formation, like
a say Kawon Barkley. Well, all of a sudden, I
now could turn him into to a wide receiver if
I need to.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So now deploying him.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Into the line of scrimmage out why it now tells
my quarterback Okay, what coverage is his own? As admit,
there's all sorts of things to think about it. Why
they devalue the position at running back.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I think Keisham brings up a lot of good points.
I think here's one more they I don't think there's
collusion again. I just think it's a lot of business
people understanding the exact same thing. But all of these
guys they want to resign and say, hey, like play
the market. Well, now the market has now been flooded
(15:39):
with veteran running backs. Plus you have the draft coming
up where running backs can be had in the second
round on and not and cost you very very little.
So I think these guys are going to get hammered
in free agency. Hammered, and by hammered, I mean the
the franchise tag is fourteen million. I would yes that
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none of them get fourteen million a year. You know,
they just won't and it'll be you know, but you
got Derrick Henry and Josh Jacobs and Us Neckler, you
got like all these different guys, and they think the
league's out again, Like all right, the market will dictate
what your value is. I think that's the most interesting
thing of the off season is what is the value
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of these running back free agents. Here's Colin Cowhard talking
about the Bears in their history and quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
The only difference in thirty two years between the Packers
and the Bears. One never gets the quarterback right and
one always gets the quarterback right. Both have had close
to forty five Pro Bowlers in thirty two years, Both
about a legendary coach, Both same division, same conference, same weather,
Northern Tier teams, big brands. Fox loves putting the Bears on.
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Fox loves putting the Packers on. The difference is ask
yourself this Chicago, what would Green Bay do with the
number one pick? First, they wouldn't have it because they're competent. Secondly,
they would draft Caleb Williams because it's what Green Bay does.
Always gets the quarterback right. I hear this all the time.
But you can trade it down and get dozens of picks.
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When you get the quarterback right, draft picks become much
less important. Even if you took out the seventh round
and just counted six over thirty five percent of draft
picks miss over twenty five percent of first round picks miss.
It's not about draft picks, it's about getting the quarterback right.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Green Bay always does, Chicago never does. What would the
Packers do? They'd take Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Uh, Yeah, there's a lot there, and I would say
generally he's right, and I think the Bears are going
to take Caleb Williams.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
But the.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Next point is, can we also admit that the last
two quarterbacks that they drafted, they have had veterans that
have started instead of them for the first two years.
So and remember it like we've had Josh Lucas on.
I have a pod with Josh Lucas that you you'll
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you'll want to hear on all Ball. And Josh was
directly a player personnel when they drafted Mitch Trubisky instead
of drafting Pat Mahomes. But one of the reasons Mahomes
has had such successes he sat behind Alex Smith for
a year, cleaned up a lot of a lot of
the stuff in his footwork and his game. So what
would the Packers do? Yeah, they probably draft him number
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one overall, but they would also have a veteran to
allow him to uh slowly get ready for the National
Football League instead of thrusting him into play. There's a
lot more to it than just, hey, draft the best player.
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Say.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Let's find out who
are what is annoying Jason Stewart and now it's your annoying.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Doug this morning. Raheem Morris said something and then it
got Twitter all pissed off. So, I think, coming off
of the Rick Patino comments last week, we had this
conversation where you want your coaches and your players to
be honest and candid, but then when they're honest and candid,
then you accuse them of throwing people under the bus
and being a bad guy. Well, Raheem Morris had some
(19:40):
great comments about his quarterback situation today.
Speaker 8 (19:43):
This time to implement a couple of new things, go
out there and find out who's going to be the
trigger man for us and put ourselves in a position
to win. And I don't I'm not afraid to say
that we have the ability and we're capable to go
out there and win next year if we do some
of the right things, some of the right moves, we
can do that. And that's not an arrogant that's not
a confident, that's not a cockiness. That is more of
a credit to the people that we're in the building
(20:04):
with me. Still so many people that are not there
now and what they've been able to do. You know,
if we had better quarterback play last year in Atlanta,
I might not be standing here.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
I mean that, that to me is great. He's speaking
right a right to Desmond Ritter, and I think Taylor
Heineke got in sometime so the reaction was immediately that
he was throwing these players under the bus, and maybe
he is. I don't care. Isn't that like great candidness
from a head coach? Don't you want to hear those things,
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especially out of the draft combine, where all you get
is minutia and cliches.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yeah, I would also say that Arthur Blank has said
as much about the quarterback position previously, So when your
owner says it, you're okay saying it. But yes, that
is everything he said was one hundred percent accurate. And
the only thing in they still have ritter On on
the roster is can you get ken you? Is there
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a way of saying it? We're like, hey, he can
get better. He's young, even if you've really moved on
from him, but they've clearly moved on from it, or
they're going to get a quarterback or two.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Speaking of a reaction on Twitter, I don't know if
you saw this yesterday, but Ryan Clark verbally or actually
agreed to extend with ESPN, and there was a lot
of coverage about it. Google Ryan Clark ESPN. Right now,
there's there's got to be fifty blogs or articles or
written about this. And my question to you is, when
(21:31):
did Ryan Clark become like Charles Barkley Walter Cronkite incarnate,
Like why do we give a shit that he is
extended with ESPN?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
He does host Inside the NFL, which is a newer
version of a kind of classic show that we all
used to love and watch. And I think it's on
the WB or whatever, but I kind of think it's genius.
I can hate the player but enjoy the game. And like, look,
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you've got to create leverage for yourself. You got to
create attention, you got to create a market. And supposedly
he's getting two million dollars. And by the way, like
I actually think Ryan Clark is really good. I just
think Ryan Clark plays the race card like thirty five
percent of the time and it takes away from all
the other great stuff that he does, like as a broadcaster,
(22:26):
is an analyst. Like again, I don't agree with everything
he says, and I'm sure as a again, as a broadcaster,
like a like half half of it is true. But
I will tell you, like in all candor, like I
can't get mad at him. It's just it's a hard thing.
This business is not easy. And ESPN clearly said, hey,
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it's our last and final and then he says his
Then he started posting about it and kind of guilted
them in to get more money. Good for him, Like
I when did he become that. Like, I don't know.
He's a former athlete who can host a show decently.
It's not what he does best. He's in many ways
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like he's a former NFL version of what I of
what I do, which I value, right is the ability
to be versatile, like you put on a game. I've
never heard him call game, but I'm sure he's fine.
You know, he's good as a studio guy. He's good
enough for his analyst. He can do some he's hosted
inside the NFL. Like talented, all around guy that's kind
of built himself up. He's obviously not making the huge
(23:32):
money that the Michael Strahans of the world are, but
that's the path I think he wants to go down,
which is smart. But yeah, I don't know. You know,
I don't know if Ryan Clark wasn't retained at ESPN,
if anyone would say, hey, you know what's missing, it's missing,
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right Ryan Clark.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I think that's my point. I don't know. I really
like Ryan Clark. I like putting him on as a
player on and he's a good interview and yeah, I
just didn't understand all the noise yesterday. I don't know, anyways,
I'm gonna pull a you, okay and ask you this.
Don't look it up, don't google who won the Cy
Young in the National League last year?
Speaker 8 (24:16):
National League.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Cy Young in the National League last year.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
So even if you come up with it, you not
knowing that. I think speaks to baseball and how they
do their awards, and it's shitty. But I find this
very annoying. The National League Cy Young Award winner last year,
Blake Snell on the padre. He's not signed yet. We're
two weeks into spring training and he's still a free agent.
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And I don't know why I'm annoyed or what I'm
annoyed about. No one has explained to me why Cody
Bellinger just signed on Sunday. Maybe somebody knows. Maybe there
was like they couldn't sign free agents until spring training started.
I don't know, But how is saw Young Award winner
a lefty?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I was asking for too much money as all these guys.
How much money Cody Bellinger get?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I mean that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
How much money Cody Bellinger get.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I think he got one hundred million for three years.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I think it's way less than that.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Was it? Yeah, seventy five million for three years quick.
You certainly didn't didn't get as much as boras thought
he would.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Now Cody Bellinger, Okay, three years eighty Yeah, so short,
short term, a lot of money, right, but not as
much as it's not the long three hundred plus million
dollar deal. So I think there's a chance Major League
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Baseball teams are kind of getting smarter here and they're like, look,
we buy it, we pay you, but we're not going
to pay you for ten years. Like that doesn't make
sense to us. And that's the only reason that Blakes now,
who how old's Blake Snow twenty seven eight?
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, he's I mean, he's in his prime. I think
he says he's just he's always been up and down.
I don't know if there's an injury concern or something,
but something annoys me about it. I just don't know
what it is. I can't put my finger on it.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Two weeks week, we don't know what team is on.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
That's kind of hard.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, So the Blake Snow situation, Ryan Clark hype and
then the reaction to Raheem Morris comments he got three kind.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Of reaction to it. Yeah, the reaction to it's annoying,
but yeah, I'd say the reaction to it is is
who is that my most annoying?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah? Why are we doing this?
Speaker 7 (26:46):
I do.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Because we can.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
You told me at some point that Patrick Beverly and
Damian Lillard were rivals. He was at about how they
how they mended Fencers.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
Recently, we go to Bobby Porter's birthday party. Dame goes, uh,
what's up? Pat made? This is two games after we
don't play with it.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Damn.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
I'm good. I'm good, and we need to sit down
and talk. I fuck talk on. That's just got dinner,
you know. I like that, But just the point of
like saying that, right, because I ain't saying that.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Shit.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
You not prideful, but you don't tell Coley be this.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
That's not pride. Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Patrick Beverley in a world of fake tough guys, he's
one of them, right, But again, God bless him. It's
his way of sticking in the league when he's not
the player used to be in the league, and he's
made himself into this super smart, super intense kind of
a nuisance. Good to have on your team, hate playing
against him sort of guy? Why couldn't play for you?
(27:52):
Because we can schedule our pick of the day.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Okay, sir, the bet is to you. Maybe it's time
for the day, all.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Right, kids, Pick of the Day comes to you from
college basketball. Missed yesterday? I just did. I missed yesterday
and can't say they feel great about my miss yesterday.
Two teams that are needs of some wins. Indiana, Indiana
welcomes in with Canson Withcanson. Now, Wisconsin has lost their
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last three road games at Nebraska, at Michigan You, and
at Rutgers Big. They have won two of their last three,
but again, they've lost their last three road games, and
they've lost five of their last seven. I you and
I don't know if you've been paying attention to this chase,
so you probably haven't. I use lost four in a row,
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including to Nebraska and Northwestern at home, so it's you
know what, or get out the pot time at Indiana.
Indy has a four point dog at home. I think
there's too much pride in that locker room. I think
they win. I think it's you win, you cover give
me I you. I'm getting four points at Assembly Hall
against a Wisconsin team that I think they match up
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pretty well against. I'll take IU. That's it for the
end of the Bonus podcast. Check out the radio show
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All right, you know this is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
It's so I got the showing the bonus on Fox
Sports Radio, the iHeart Radio app Welcome in Boys and Girls.
So yesterday we talked about the Browny James being moved
off of the draft boards for twenty twenty four, and
he's on the draft boards for twenty twenty five, right,
(00:35):
And it's kind of fascinating to me, Okay, fascinating to
me that people are just now going, well, what Lebron
did yesterday. So Lebron tweets out, hey, just let the
kid be a kid. Then he deleted the tweet, you know,
(00:59):
like he were hard? Why just let him be a kid?
And the problem with it is, well, who hyped him
up more than Lebron saying he's better than half these
dudes in the league right now? That was a year ago,
and a year ago I was like, no, he's not.
He's not a top five player or top ten player
in his high school league. And what people have to
(01:22):
understand is my energy doesn't come from any sort of negativity,
like I actually understand. It's got to be hard to
be Lebron Jameson right, because one the expectations are, well,
you're supposed to be better than your dad because he
was better than whoever his dad was right, and you
have all of the best trainers, the best shoes. There's
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inherent jealousy, like it's a easy and any dad believes
in his son, or should believe in his son above
what anyone else's level of belief is. I tell my
son that all the time. Dude, no one believes any
more than I do. Now you gotta. I also know
(02:05):
how hard you work, and I know the things that
you do, and and so if you're not working that hard,
I don't feel you know, I'm not as as hurt
for you. You know, sometimes you work really hard and
the shot doesn't go in. But if you don't work
really hard, well, then I'm not really that bumm for you.
But on a much more limited scale, I actually understand it.
(02:28):
My son is little, He's probably going to be smaller
than me. I'm not exactly big to begin with, but
it's basketball is a game where, for the most part,
you know, guys are getting bigger and bigger and bigger
and bigger. These are and it's harder the way people
(02:48):
play defense, where you've got to guard bigger positions and
bigger bodies and there's just limitations size wise. It's why
Jalen Brunson should be like everyone's hero, because he's not
a blur as an athlete. He's the son of a
former pro and yet he's a guy who's made it
above the level that his dad even made it. But
(03:09):
it's definitely let's just go with interesting that Lebron is
the one criticizing people for any sort of criticism towards
his son, like stop over hyping him. Like dude, you
over hyped him? What are we doing here? So I
(03:31):
think the best course of action, and I said it
last year and I've said it all this year is
he cannot take a dad's word for it. He's blinded
by love, blinded by love. And sometimes we're more harsh
towards towards the people we love, but usually when we're
told and when somebody's asked how good they are? You
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know you love your son more than any other kid,
so of course you think he's the best. Jasey, what
do you.
Speaker 3 (03:59):
Think I mean? I I think you make all the
all the good points. I wanted. I wanted to insert
this is it Javoni the Yeah, you know, he came
out yesterday and he said that he has not put
Brownie in the twenty four draft class sense his heart issue.
Does that change your impression of how things went down?
(04:22):
In other words, he had made that proclamation that it
was going to be I think what a lottery pick
or something prior to the incident with the heart. Uh.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
I mean, look, it's obviously going to hurt your preparation
for the season and your development if you can't touch
a basketball for three months. And I think in the
real world, would it You know you're gonna have there's
so many steps you're gonna have to make to get
drafted if you have that on your medicals. But I
(04:56):
think it's a bit of a cop out, right.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
Is that right?
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Well?
Speaker 2 (05:01):
I mean, like I he was never the tenth best prospect, right,
he was never a FD not based upon his talent
or his potential. He just wasn't Like he shouldn't have
been a McDonald's American last year. Just shouldn't. There were
a lot better players, you know, Heleb Foster, Dusty Stromer,
(05:26):
two kids that played against him on the same team
in high school, right, But and look, politics does play
a factor in lots of different things. I just I
try to be the guy that plays it down in
the middle. So that's what I really think. I don't
carry into whether he's Lebron's son not Lebron's son. I
feel bad for the kids sometimes, and I actually understand
(05:49):
a lot of what makes Lebron act this way. You know,
his dad was never in his life, and he is
actually in his son's life, despite the fact that he's
a likely to be somewhere near a hundred millionaire and
a billionaire when he's done playing, and he's in any
conversations the greatest player ever, and he's played in all
these different cities, and yet they have, by all accounts,
(06:11):
a really close knit relationship, and he's helping him on
this journey. He's still you know, one reason I know
he's never going to leave the Lakers is because his
kids are here and he goes and sees his kids' games.
So it's it's in terms of parenting. I don't think
it's bad parenting. I just I even think the criticism Lebron,
but it's you know, who told you he was the
(06:33):
first round pickball. You said he could play in the NBA.
But if you're a bad parent because you love your
kid too much, are you really a bad parent? Probably not? Anyway,
go ahead.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
Do you think I'm trying to go through the reasons
he deleted the tweet? Now? The NBA beat writers tend
to be so sick of fantish. I don't I don't
know if anyone's going to ask him tonight why he
did it, So I don't know if I'll ever get
the answer, But I guess the best theory is that
maybe he realized the hypocrisy and what he wrote, or
(07:10):
maybe that he was adding much more attention than he
wanted to, or did he that he needed to. I
don't know. I'd love to know why he did it.
Speaker 2 (07:19):
I would too, I would too, I would, I would.
I would like to know why he did it. If
somebody from PR is like, hey, dude, take that down.
It looks bad, or you're just bringing attention to the
fact that he's no longer on the draft boards or whatever.
I don't know, Like, look I have. It's one of
those things where you this is what we want from athletes.
(07:43):
We want real, organic access, We want to know what
they're really thinking. Unfortunately, this is what he's really thinking, right,
that Lebron really thought his son could plain in the
NBA and now when he's not. And look again, it
that's a legit issue, the hard issue in terms of
what his draft stock is. But like the real reality is,
(08:06):
like no one thought he was that level of player
outside Lebron before that. So the hard thing is a
real thing obviously, and a really scary thing. And I'm
just like anybody else, happy he's healthy back playing basketball.
But the uh, I mean, I this is really why
PR firms have existed for years, why some people don't
(08:30):
handle their own Twitter account because when they do, they're
left to their own devices. They're actually going to say
what they think and not realize that they're complete hypocrites
and doing a one to eighty. You know, it's like
the best part about Cowherd show is the column was right,
Colin was wrong. Like it's okay to be wrong. It's
okay to be wrong. I mean, honestly, if if you're
(08:53):
a PR guy or if you want to help Lebron out,
you just go like, hey, you know what would have
been a really good tweet is if you said, is
if you said, hey, we've never been concerned about draft boards,
all right, the hard issue is a setback college basketball
is a little harder then maybe we thought. This has
(09:15):
been a little harder than we thought. But you know,
this is a twenty year plan, not a one year plan.
I don't know. There's lots of different ways to word it,
but calling out the haters, if you will, when you
were the one who put the original stuff out, is
it's right.
Speaker 3 (09:34):
I think Buker told you this yesterday, and you tell
me this information that he's no longer considered a first
round pick or even on the twenty four draft board,
that doesn't prohibit him from entering the draft or just
becoming a free agent. And then it's the pressures on
the Lakers to decide whether or not they either want
(09:56):
to take a chance in draft him and kind of
look foolish just to play Kate Lebron, or wait until
he doesn't get drafted and signed as a free agent.
It puts the Lakers on a weird spot if he's
not drafted, or if he's if they have to, you know, reach,
I don't know if.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It puts him in a weird spot to be honest
with you, Jay, I don't let me. Let me flush
out a different way of looking at it. You know, One,
if they draft him like late second, they can just say, hey,
you know, this is a it's like a draft and
stash type of thing, which is probably you know, he
plays in the G League, gets a call up, plays
a game with his dad, like that probably would work
(10:35):
a little bit better. But the other thing, so they
can say, like, look, he was he was a future prospect.
We just you know, jumped the line and took him
this year. The other thing is that if they do
take him, it is clearly a solid done to Lebron,
and it's like, look, we believe in him, we believe
in you, and so we're gonna take this opportunity. We're
(10:56):
going to give him a legit shot. So it only
becomes a hard one if they're not on the same
page as to what everything means, if they're not communicating,
And my guess is it's all been communicated. That's my guess.
You know that. I don't think there's any chance that
(11:18):
any of this happened without Lebron knowing it was gonna
happen beforehand. And I don't think that as this season
has gone for the Lakers, but especially for USC, there
hasn't been at least on some level of communication. You know,
he and Rob Polinka and Genie Buss and whatever Lebron
thinks is appropriate will likely be done on some level.
(11:41):
Like play them on the G League team. It's not
fun for the G league coach. I have to play
somebody regardless of how they play, or have to develop them.
But that's actually kind of what your job is as
a coach. The guys with two ways you gotta play,
you really do? You got to play them.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
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Speaker 2 (12:06):
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Speaker 1 (12:10):
What does the Fox say?
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Every day of this time in the Bonus Podcast and
The Doug Gottlieb Show. You're on Fox Sports RADI you
play for your previous portion of a previous show on
fsr FS one. Here's Dan Patrick talking to Peter King
this morning. Now that you're retired, what are you going
to do Sunday night? After all the games?
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Go to sleep happily and I probably won't make it
to the end of the Sunday night game, which will
be a happy moment for me because one of the
reasons I wanted to retire before the Scouting Combine is
that I used to love going to the scouting combine
five six, eight years ago. You're up to one thirty
every night, but you're also spending forty five minutes with
(12:51):
Sean McVay or with whoever you know, with all these well,
not Sean McVay anymore, he doesn't go to the Scouting Combine,
but all these coaches see.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
Out, Hey, how you doing.
Speaker 4 (13:01):
What's going on? You just sit with him and you
talk to him about whatever, and that is great. But
I've gotten to the point of my life I knew
one of the reasons it's time to go is that
I have no desire to stay up till one thirty
in the morning anymore to do anything. Sorry, that's just
the way it goes when you're sixty six. So that's
(13:23):
one of the reasons that I knew was time to go.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Peter Camby, miss You had a nice piece on him yesterday.
Jay Stu, just a guy who love football, covered football
and did a great job of telling us about football.
So and I do wonder how many of the old
school writers we'll still be around in this thing, right,
(13:50):
And what's missing? What the way you get when you
get guys who've been in the business for forty plus
years is just great perspective of where we've been in
stories we've heard before and all that other stuff. So
obviously we're going to lose some of that with with
with with Peter King, this is Keishawn Johnson talking about
the running back market.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
It's been this way for a minute now.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
That just really doesn't value the position the same way
it did when Walter Payton playoff.
Speaker 6 (14:15):
It's remember just a year ago, those first three that
I named, they did get tagged.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
They got tagged.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
They were getting there twelve to fourteen minutes.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
They got tagged.
Speaker 5 (14:23):
But when you look at the numbers statistically, okay, you
talk about the guys that got tagged, Tony Pollard, how
did that work out for the Cowboys? Sa Kwon Barkley,
And you talk about Josh Jacobs. You know, he played well,
but he was in and out of the lineup. Andrew whatever,
I know, Ap wants to try to get it done
with it. He really likes him absolutely running game to
(14:44):
go through them, but it's also a passing game mentality
with these offensive coordinator they're looking.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
For three down backs, not two down backs.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
They're looking for guys that detach from the formation, like
a say Kawon Barkley. Well, all of a sudden, I
now could turn him into to a wide receiver if
I need to.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
So now deploying him.
Speaker 5 (15:04):
Into the line of scrimmage out why it now tells
my quarterback Okay, what coverage is his own? As admit,
there's all sorts of things to think about it. Why
they devalue the position at running back.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I think Keisham brings up a lot of good points.
I think here's one more they I don't think there's
collusion again. I just think it's a lot of business
people understanding the exact same thing. But all of these
guys they want to resign and say, hey, like play
the market. Well, now the market has now been flooded
(15:39):
with veteran running backs. Plus you have the draft coming
up where running backs can be had in the second
round on and not and cost you very very little.
So I think these guys are going to get hammered
in free agency. Hammered, and by hammered, I mean the
the franchise tag is fourteen million. I would yes that
(16:00):
none of them get fourteen million a year. You know,
they just won't and it'll be you know, but you
got Derrick Henry and Josh Jacobs and Us Neckler, you
got like all these different guys, and they think the
league's out again, Like all right, the market will dictate
what your value is. I think that's the most interesting
thing of the off season is what is the value
(16:21):
of these running back free agents. Here's Colin Cowhard talking
about the Bears in their history and quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (16:27):
The only difference in thirty two years between the Packers
and the Bears. One never gets the quarterback right and
one always gets the quarterback right. Both have had close
to forty five Pro Bowlers in thirty two years, Both
about a legendary coach, Both same division, same conference, same weather,
Northern Tier teams, big brands. Fox loves putting the Bears on.
(16:50):
Fox loves putting the Packers on. The difference is ask
yourself this Chicago, what would Green Bay do with the
number one pick? First, they wouldn't have it because they're competent. Secondly,
they would draft Caleb Williams because it's what Green Bay does.
Always gets the quarterback right. I hear this all the time.
But you can trade it down and get dozens of picks.
(17:13):
When you get the quarterback right, draft picks become much
less important. Even if you took out the seventh round
and just counted six over thirty five percent of draft
picks miss over twenty five percent of first round picks miss.
It's not about draft picks, it's about getting the quarterback right.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Green Bay always does, Chicago never does. What would the
Packers do? They'd take Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
Uh, Yeah, there's a lot there, and I would say
generally he's right, and I think the Bears are going
to take Caleb Williams.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
But the.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Next point is, can we also admit that the last
two quarterbacks that they drafted, they have had veterans that
have started instead of them for the first two years.
So and remember it like we've had Josh Lucas on.
I have a pod with Josh Lucas that you you'll
(18:14):
you'll want to hear on all Ball. And Josh was
directly a player personnel when they drafted Mitch Trubisky instead
of drafting Pat Mahomes. But one of the reasons Mahomes
has had such successes he sat behind Alex Smith for
a year, cleaned up a lot of a lot of
the stuff in his footwork and his game. So what
would the Packers do? Yeah, they probably draft him number
(18:36):
one overall, but they would also have a veteran to
allow him to uh slowly get ready for the National
Football League instead of thrusting him into play. There's a
lot more to it than just, hey, draft the best player.
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 6 (18:52):
Say.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
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Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Let's find out who
are what is annoying Jason Stewart and now it's your annoying.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Doug this morning. Raheem Morris said something and then it
got Twitter all pissed off. So, I think, coming off
of the Rick Patino comments last week, we had this
conversation where you want your coaches and your players to
be honest and candid, but then when they're honest and candid,
then you accuse them of throwing people under the bus
and being a bad guy. Well, Raheem Morris had some
(19:40):
great comments about his quarterback situation today.
Speaker 8 (19:43):
This time to implement a couple of new things, go
out there and find out who's going to be the
trigger man for us and put ourselves in a position
to win. And I don't I'm not afraid to say
that we have the ability and we're capable to go
out there and win next year if we do some
of the right things, some of the right moves, we
can do that. And that's not an arrogant that's not
a confident, that's not a cockiness. That is more of
a credit to the people that we're in the building
(20:04):
with me. Still so many people that are not there
now and what they've been able to do. You know,
if we had better quarterback play last year in Atlanta,
I might not be standing here.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
I mean that, that to me is great. He's speaking
right a right to Desmond Ritter, and I think Taylor
Heineke got in sometime so the reaction was immediately that
he was throwing these players under the bus, and maybe
he is. I don't care. Isn't that like great candidness
from a head coach? Don't you want to hear those things,
(20:34):
especially out of the draft combine, where all you get
is minutia and cliches.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
Yeah, I would also say that Arthur Blank has said
as much about the quarterback position previously, So when your
owner says it, you're okay saying it. But yes, that
is everything he said was one hundred percent accurate. And
the only thing in they still have ritter On on
the roster is can you get ken you? Is there
(21:02):
a way of saying it? We're like, hey, he can
get better. He's young, even if you've really moved on
from him, but they've clearly moved on from it, or
they're going to get a quarterback or two.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
Speaking of a reaction on Twitter, I don't know if
you saw this yesterday, but Ryan Clark verbally or actually
agreed to extend with ESPN, and there was a lot
of coverage about it. Google Ryan Clark ESPN. Right now,
there's there's got to be fifty blogs or articles or
written about this. And my question to you is, when
(21:31):
did Ryan Clark become like Charles Barkley Walter Cronkite incarnate,
Like why do we give a shit that he is
extended with ESPN?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
He does host Inside the NFL, which is a newer
version of a kind of classic show that we all
used to love and watch. And I think it's on
the WB or whatever, but I kind of think it's genius.
I can hate the player but enjoy the game. And like, look,
(22:05):
you've got to create leverage for yourself. You got to
create attention, you got to create a market. And supposedly
he's getting two million dollars. And by the way, like
I actually think Ryan Clark is really good. I just
think Ryan Clark plays the race card like thirty five
percent of the time and it takes away from all
the other great stuff that he does, like as a broadcaster,
(22:26):
is an analyst. Like again, I don't agree with everything
he says, and I'm sure as a again, as a broadcaster,
like a like half half of it is true. But
I will tell you, like in all candor, like I
can't get mad at him. It's just it's a hard thing.
This business is not easy. And ESPN clearly said, hey,
(22:49):
it's our last and final and then he says his
Then he started posting about it and kind of guilted
them in to get more money. Good for him, Like
I when did he become that. Like, I don't know.
He's a former athlete who can host a show decently.
It's not what he does best. He's in many ways
(23:10):
like he's a former NFL version of what I of
what I do, which I value, right is the ability
to be versatile, like you put on a game. I've
never heard him call game, but I'm sure he's fine.
You know, he's good as a studio guy. He's good
enough for his analyst. He can do some he's hosted
inside the NFL. Like talented, all around guy that's kind
of built himself up. He's obviously not making the huge
(23:32):
money that the Michael Strahans of the world are, but
that's the path I think he wants to go down,
which is smart. But yeah, I don't know. You know,
I don't know if Ryan Clark wasn't retained at ESPN,
if anyone would say, hey, you know what's missing, it's missing,
(23:52):
right Ryan Clark.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
I think that's my point. I don't know. I really
like Ryan Clark. I like putting him on as a
player on and he's a good interview and yeah, I
just didn't understand all the noise yesterday. I don't know, anyways,
I'm gonna pull a you, okay and ask you this.
Don't look it up, don't google who won the Cy
Young in the National League last year?
Speaker 8 (24:16):
National League.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Cy Young in the National League last year.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
So even if you come up with it, you not
knowing that. I think speaks to baseball and how they
do their awards, and it's shitty. But I find this
very annoying. The National League Cy Young Award winner last year,
Blake Snell on the padre. He's not signed yet. We're
two weeks into spring training and he's still a free agent.
(24:45):
And I don't know why I'm annoyed or what I'm
annoyed about. No one has explained to me why Cody
Bellinger just signed on Sunday. Maybe somebody knows. Maybe there
was like they couldn't sign free agents until spring training started.
I don't know, But how is saw Young Award winner
a lefty?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
I was asking for too much money as all these guys.
How much money Cody Bellinger get?
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I mean that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
How much money Cody Bellinger get.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
I think he got one hundred million for three years.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
I think it's way less than that.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Was it? Yeah, seventy five million for three years quick.
You certainly didn't didn't get as much as boras thought
he would.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Now Cody Bellinger, Okay, three years eighty Yeah, so short,
short term, a lot of money, right, but not as
much as it's not the long three hundred plus million
dollar deal. So I think there's a chance Major League
(25:48):
Baseball teams are kind of getting smarter here and they're like, look,
we buy it, we pay you, but we're not going
to pay you for ten years. Like that doesn't make
sense to us. And that's the only reason that Blakes now,
who how old's Blake Snow twenty seven eight?
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Yeah, he's I mean, he's in his prime. I think
he says he's just he's always been up and down.
I don't know if there's an injury concern or something,
but something annoys me about it. I just don't know
what it is. I can't put my finger on it.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
Two weeks week, we don't know what team is on.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
That's kind of hard.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Yeah, So the Blake Snow situation, Ryan Clark hype and
then the reaction to Raheem Morris comments he got three kind.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Of reaction to it. Yeah, the reaction to it's annoying,
but yeah, I'd say the reaction to it is is
who is that my most annoying?
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Yeah? Why are we doing this?
Speaker 7 (26:46):
I do.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Because we can.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
You told me at some point that Patrick Beverly and
Damian Lillard were rivals. He was at about how they
how they mended Fencers.
Speaker 7 (27:03):
Recently, we go to Bobby Porter's birthday party. Dame goes, uh,
what's up? Pat made? This is two games after we
don't play with it.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
Damn.
Speaker 7 (27:11):
I'm good. I'm good, and we need to sit down
and talk. I fuck talk on. That's just got dinner,
you know. I like that, But just the point of
like saying that, right, because I ain't saying that.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
Shit.
Speaker 7 (27:20):
You not prideful, but you don't tell Coley be this.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
That's not pride. Uh.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Patrick Beverley in a world of fake tough guys, he's
one of them, right, But again, God bless him. It's
his way of sticking in the league when he's not
the player used to be in the league, and he's
made himself into this super smart, super intense kind of
a nuisance. Good to have on your team, hate playing
against him sort of guy? Why couldn't play for you?
(27:52):
Because we can schedule our pick of the day.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Okay, sir, the bet is to you. Maybe it's time
for the day, all.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Right, kids, Pick of the Day comes to you from
college basketball. Missed yesterday? I just did. I missed yesterday
and can't say they feel great about my miss yesterday.
Two teams that are needs of some wins. Indiana, Indiana
welcomes in with Canson Withcanson. Now, Wisconsin has lost their
(28:25):
last three road games at Nebraska, at Michigan You, and
at Rutgers Big. They have won two of their last three,
but again, they've lost their last three road games, and
they've lost five of their last seven. I you and
I don't know if you've been paying attention to this chase,
so you probably haven't. I use lost four in a row,
(28:48):
including to Nebraska and Northwestern at home, so it's you
know what, or get out the pot time at Indiana.
Indy has a four point dog at home. I think
there's too much pride in that locker room. I think
they win. I think it's you win, you cover give
me I you. I'm getting four points at Assembly Hall
against a Wisconsin team that I think they match up
(29:09):
pretty well against. I'll take IU. That's it for the
end of the Bonus podcast. Check out the radio show
daily three to five eastern twelve two Pacific on Fox
Sports Trader, the iHeartRadio app. I'm Doug Gottlie
Host
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