May 28, 2024 • 26 mins
Doug talks about the tragic passing of Grayson Murray. Doug reacts to Tom Brady's comments about his broadcasting gig at FOX Sports. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Jaylen Brown makes today's edition of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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There's a lot to talk about from the weekend. I
I don't know, I just the the situation in golf
was one we talked a little about on the radio show,
but it really felt like the podcast is a better
(00:48):
place for it. So I'm sure most people who were
watching paying attention to sports this weekend know the story.
But there's also plenty of people who are not because
it's more weekend. So if you just you know, if
you're just kind of coming back from being gone for
the weekend and turn your phone off. Grayson Murray who
(01:11):
was on the PGA tour, uh, he died during an
event on Saturday morning, right, and then they're at the
at the Colonial. It's the Charles Schwab Challenge at Colonial
and on Friday he withdrew from the Charles Schwab Challenge
due to illness, right, and then Saturday morning they found
(01:35):
him dead, apparently of suicide. And there's a lot there's
He spoke out earlier this year, he had a tour
win about how he had stopped drinking and really helped
him with his mental state. But this is you know,
it's a it's a tragedy. It's really sad, and it's
one of those deals where you just, I mean you
(01:57):
feel bad for like golfers like here, they're having to
answer these questions and I'm sure like they all knew
it was suicide. In fact, that suicide didn't come out
until after the event was over, but it was just
that had to be hard. I I don't know, that's
that's a really really hard one.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I mean, death obviously for many of us freaks us out.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But the idea that we have like a young talented
golfer who you thought, you know, you had had some
issues with drinking whatever, and he's gotten his life straight
and then he he he withdraws from terming. You don't
think anything of it, right, I Mean, that's unbelievable. Jase
tu how would you characterize like you're processing of it.
(02:46):
It's weird because we I don't like to talk about
this stuff, but you do feel like you kind of
got to talk about it because you know, the suicide
is a very strange topic for me, because I do
feel like the more you talk about the more you normalize,
the more you normalize it, the more it feels like
it's a reasonable solution. It's not right. It's a permanent
(03:06):
solution to a temporary problem. It does obviously there's some
mental illness there with it, but it's incredibly sad as well.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
But you and I both have dealt with depression. I
mean you've admitted it, I've admitted it with We've had
issues in our life as well, and what we've chosen
to do to address that, whether it be therapy or
medication or other avenues. I just think that, like my
(03:36):
takeaway when I saw that and then I saw the
heart wrenching statement by the family, is that no matter
how close you keep tabs on somebody, no matter how
often you talk to them, text them, keep in touch,
especially somebody who's troubled, it's impossible to be with someone
(03:57):
twenty four to seven and it's so true project because
of that that he took his life when he was
alone somewhere and there's nothing anyone could have done. And
as a parent, I just can't. I can't even imagine
what that's like.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I can't either. Man.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Might you have to say as a parent, that's that
that makes it worse? You know, like I got eighteen
year old daughters, and but you're right, it's so sad.
And then you know, you're they're interviewing, they're trying to
do a regular golf tournament, and uh, it's just heart
wrenching to watch, you know, heart wrenching to watch.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
But who I guess, I guess I'm kind of at it.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
There's I don't have a take no takeaway, But I
am often conflicted by this idea that do you talk
about it? Because you talk about it, you normalize it,
You normalize it. Does that make people like it's like
we have more we have more opportunities for people to
get help now than we ever had before, right, Like,
(05:10):
it is easier to get mental health care help than
it ever has before. Yet suicide rates and mental health
rates are are you know, like an all time high.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
So how does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Well, because I'm sorry, I think it's a I think
you were probably gonna say this, but it's the vicious cycle.
People who are depressed and suicidal don't want to seek help,
like misery is a is a bedfellow of depressant depression.
So it's counterintuitive to want to seek help when you
are in your lowest points.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, but I mean again, why then would still why
would the suicide rates be higher? It would stand to
reason that there'd be at least some lowering of it
because there'd be some people that are borderline that did
get help.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Only explanation I could I could possibly come up with
is maybe we normalized it too much. Maybe we made
it to where it's this. It should not be an option, right,
just not should be an option, But apparently it is.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
But all of us know people, family members or friends,
even coworker that you know, are dealing with shit. And
I think that, Like when I see this on Sunday,
that's what I thought to myself, Like, you just don't
even know what just a phone call or just reaching
out to someone checking in, want to make sure you're cool,
you know, reach out. That's the that's the message that
(06:38):
I got out of this.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Okay, I like that. That is a good message. It
is a good message. All right.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Let's turn to sports a little bit here, because I
do think that Lucas shot to win Game three, which
essentially wins the series, you know, because if Minnesota wins
that game, now it's two to one, it's it gets
into very much in a question, but three to zero
it becomes a foregone conclusion. There's a couple things to it.
(07:07):
I understand. It's it's somehow fun to make fun of
Rudy Gobert. But if you look at the caption, you
look at the last photo of the shot that Luca hit,
he's right there, you know, he's got a hand up,
he's right there in his face, in his path, and.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Luca just shoots it over him.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
So there's a bunch to it. But I do think
that it's very necessary to say that. I've told you
I thought Luca is the best player in the NBA
that's played out as such, But I would also tell
you that he's made those fadeaways before he made him,
you know, over a long arm. He's just this incredible,
incredible player, incredible and while it's fun to make fun
(07:51):
of Rudy Gobert at the end of the day, like
the defense wasn't terrible.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
He was right there.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
He's seven be tall, he's got a hand up, he
jumps just Luca gets it over the top, and we
can act like there's all these other options that are
just as good.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
But the fact is he gets that shot off against anybody.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Now, if you want to say as soon as he
got it, you should have double team him get the
bott of his hands, that.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I'll agree with. That I will definitely agree with.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But it sets up after tonight likely a Boston Dallas
NBA Finals, and wow, it's it's pretty fun. I mean,
Kyrie against the team that he used to play for
and that thing didn't end well. Jason Tatum's second trip
to the NBA Finals when last time to the NBA
(08:37):
Finals he didn't play particularly well. And Chris Hasperzingi is
playing against his former team in the Dallas Mavericks that
if he plays, that could be interesting. I think we
actually have an interesting storyline based NBA Finals, even if
America doesn't love to pay attention to the two teams
actually paying playing.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
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Speaker 3 (09:06):
Let's get to the Fox, says.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
And now what does the Fox say?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Here?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
On the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, we
play for you a portion of a previous show on
Fox portrayer of Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
What do we call it?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
What does the Fox say? Here's Dan Patrick and Jay.
Billis talking about Bill Walton.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
I had to tell somebody yesterday, a thirty three year
old guy that I was talking to, how great Walton
was a basketball player. And they said that guy was
a great mask. I said, yes, one of the greatest
centers in college basketball history. How would you sum up
working with Bill? Jay?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
A glorious adventure that every time you were around Bill,
he made it about you. He made it a tremendous
amount of fun. And he was so generous and kind
and a spirit that was hard to define. You know,
(10:04):
you always wound up laughing, you know, sometimes at him,
so most of the time at what he was saying.
He was very self deprecating.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
And he he had he could bring the needle out,
which I love he you know, he called me Jake.
He never called me by my name, and and I
loved it. You know, it was like Walton, you know,
is bringing me in. And even on broadcasts that I
wasn't on, he would refer to me as Jake, and
some people got it, some people didn't. But he was.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
He was wonderful, one of kind, one of one.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
And as we talked about in the radio show a
little bit in the pod, I mean, I I met
Bill Walton when I was thirteen years old, and I
made indelible friendships with his oldest son Adam and with Nate,
played with both of them, Tuffy Chris, who of course
played for my brother at San Dieguis State, and uh
and and you know, obviously Lucas was always the star
(11:02):
of the family. But you know, like first time we
went to his house, I just remember walking through his
house and like he was in the backyard and that's
where he slept, was in a tepee. You know, he
was one of one, one of one, and it was
there was a little bit of a you had to
(11:23):
be on the inside for some of these inside jokes,
but they were good inside jokes. And the thing with
Dave Pash, who are you? What's your name again. You
know that thing just became very very funny, very funny.
And look that position. And of course, as many of
you know, I've I've worked in that same field for
over twenty years. It's actually called color commentator. Color commentator.
(11:48):
It's not real. We've made it into analyst, but truly
color commentator. And he's colorful, incredibly colorful.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
And he'll be missed. This is Paul Piers talking about Celtics.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
No concern skip. I actually enjoyed that these games were
close for the simple fact that when you look at
how we played in the regular season, with the average
margin of victory being eleven, and you know, people expecting
us to win mighty handily, for us to endure comebacks
in three other four games, and this could have easily
(12:21):
been a series when you look back at it, we
swept it. This could have easily been a series where
we could be talking today being down three to one.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
But we're not.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
But you're and the reality of it is we're on
to the NBA Finals. This team showed me a lot.
You know, I wonder if they will be challenging. You know,
people are gonna say, yeah, they had the easiest role
in round one, No Jimmy Butler, no Donovan Mitchell. But
sometimes these are the most difficult teams to play against.
Skip And I'm gonna tell you why Indiana had a
(12:51):
lot of success versus the Celtics. For one, when you
go into a series, you get your scout report, You'll
be like, all right, this is the head of the snake.
We need to cut this off. We need to stop
this and stop that which is Halliburn. Now you take
Halliburn out of the equation. Now what's the scout report?
Now you got a lot of unpredictability.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Uh yeah, I mean like, look, I think for the Celtics,
obviously they need prezingis, you know, because what's what's happened
with Dallas is uh they're two big guys.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
They just change shots and it allows.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Luca to play a little bit harder defensively, knowing if
he gets beat he's he's got rim protection behind him.
I think they gotta have prezingis to win this thing.
And it's interesting. Four to oh means yeah, he gets
more time to come back, and there's he's not missed,
you know, when when they're having games, he still does
his workouts. I did think it would be It would
have been interesting to get him in game four, even
(13:51):
if there was a game five, because going from just
working out and doing drills and you know, playing you know,
fake games with the other guys, the level of intensity
of an NBA Finals is really really high, and it
would it feels like it'd be a hard adjustment to
make with no kind of run.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Up games, no run up games.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Here's Colin Coward having an exchange with Tom Brady about
his new broadcasting gig.
Speaker 8 (14:17):
There are definitely parts of me that are hyper competitive,
and certainly they were as a player and as an athlete.
I love that competition. I relish that competition daily. I
didn't get if it was practice, if it was a game,
if it was ping pong, if we were playing trashketball
in the in the locker room, I wanted to win.
(14:39):
There's other parts where I feel like I've matured a
little bit and I don't necessarily have to be absolutely
competitive in everything.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
It's a little more selective.
Speaker 8 (14:49):
I think if I want to put effort into something,
then natural I'll be Naturally I'll be more competitive at
it because I'll invest in a little bit of my time,
a little bit of my.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Energy into it.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
It certainly with the broadcaster. I don't think for me
it's about competition. I think it's for me it's about
did I put everything I could into it? And I
did I give the fans everything that they tuned in for?
And that's really how I end up gauging myself and
and I'll have to look at myself at the end
(15:20):
of every Sunday night going did I do a good
enough job? Did I live up to the belief that
Fox had in me? Did I live up to the
expectations of my teammates Kevin Burkhart and Aaron and Tom
and richie's Ions and rich Russo in our entire truck,
the entire team. That's that's ultimately how I judge myself
in that new role.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Hmmm, well, listen, I'm I'm I'm intrigued to hear what
Tom Brady sounds like calling a game. I am, and
and do I do? I think it sucks for Greg
Olsen of course, of course any of us who were
not Hall of Famers in your broadcast or whatever like
this is this is that life I actually even know,
(16:01):
and I empathize with it because of how I got
my job as a at basketball coach. Here, guys have
been grinding really good connections to the school and I
leapfrog them. So it puts you under a brighter microscope
and makes you have to be even more prepared. But
I would tell you that the one thing about Tom
Brady is that seems to be his area of expertise,
(16:23):
which is being uber prepared.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
That's what the Fox said say.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
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Speaker 3 (16:39):
Let's find out who are What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
James.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Do you've had a three day weekend to work yourself
up into a tizzy?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
What are you most annoy Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Lots, But I know this is this is kind of
a lifetime Achievement award. Though maybe the maybe the most
annoying umpire in the history has and I'm putting in
air quotes, retired, Yes, forced to resign by the MLB
with a nice severance is probably the best way to
(17:25):
put it. But he's retired. And Angel Hernandez was a
complete asshole who made a lot of bad calls. He
sued the MLB because for racial discrimination for even though
he was just a bad umpire. Believe it or not,
you can be disciplined for not being good at your job.
That I know that millennials and gen Z don't understand that.
(17:46):
But when you're not good at your job, you could
be disciplined. But he said it was about race, and
he sued him. So he retired yesterday. And I thought
the the most appropriate way to send Angel Hernandez off
would be to play a clip of his most recent beef.
You know, Bryce Harper struck out on Chuck Swing, Angel
(18:07):
Hernandez delivered the check swings strikeout. And I think the
only way to do it on this podcast is to
have the lip reader, John Boy send Angel Hernandez into retirement.
Speaker 9 (18:19):
Oh did he go? Yes, says Angel hernand Well, are
you serious? There's no fucking way.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
That's terrible.
Speaker 9 (18:29):
Oh you're done?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Are you shitting me?
Speaker 9 (18:33):
That's fucking terrible. You're garbage. There's no fucking way. Are
you shitting me? There's no fucking way. I fucking went.
That's so fucking bad. You fucking shitting me? Are you serious?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
You swung.
Speaker 9 (18:50):
You swung Angel Hernandez is such a weirdo man.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Just standing there taking this abuse the whole time. I mean,
what else are you gonna do? And then just a
very casual you swung so good. So but why is
he annoying you?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Because because he gets the retirement announcement, even though everybody
knows he's not retiring, that he's getting fired.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
No, it's just he's annoying.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
That's just in totality.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, an annoying person.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I'm good with that.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, I think that's it's kind of inarguable. But I
know you had to get some fun with him. It's
just so weird that for so long, so many had
complained about him and yet he still kept his job, right,
That was just really weird. Now obviously time is up.
Who else annoying you?
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I think it speaks to how hard it is in
this day and age to fire people. Yes, just being
bad at your job is not does not reach the
threshold for firing people, correct, in which people of our
generation just shake our head at that. But anyways, the
phrase they go in threes. I'm often on the show
pointing out kind of lazy, cliched phrases that people use.
(20:01):
You know, I'm infamous for discovering the joke that I
can't believe it's already June. In fact, on Friday, I'll
probably going to tweet out I can't believe it's already June.
People that are overly excited about how fast time goes,
they go in threes. Is like kind of the lazy
cliche thing that people say when there are when there
are a group of people that have just passed. Unfortunately,
(20:23):
we lost Bill Walton yesterday to cancer two days ago,
just the unfortunate suicide of Grayson Murray, professional golfer. Just
two very sad episodes. But I heard someone yesterday. I'm
not going to name them by name, i won't do that,
but they say, you know, they go in threes. This
(20:43):
General Hospital actor was shot in downtown Los Angeles. Johnny Whacter,
Johnny Water was shot. And I think all of these
are tragedies, and I'm not making fun of their deaths
very sad. I'm making fun of the person that goes
to the cliche they die in threes. And the third
person they always mention is a huge stretch. Like the
(21:03):
first two are sports related, the third one is a
soap Actra on General Hospital. I'm sure he's a great guy,
but that's such a stretch. They go in threes. That's
an annoying phrase for me.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
They do that is that is an annoying phrase completely
because what it does is somehow it diminishes.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Like you said, we always stretch for the.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Third person, but like, why can't we just as we've
done the radio show in the spot talk about Bill Walton,
why do we have to wrap somebody else's death in
with Bill Walton?
Speaker 4 (21:31):
You know what they say, you know they're going through.
So ESPN is annoying for many reasons, many reasons, but
maybe this might be their most latest reason.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Stand by oh biggest reason, Espenan's annoying. We want to
share it with me.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Oh, I'm sorry. Stan van Gundy was on with Dan Levatard,
which that interview went viral for another reason, but he
also said this about his brother, Jeff Van Gundy.
Speaker 10 (21:57):
After seventeen years of being in arguably I don't even
know if it's arguably the best game broadcast booth in
the business in basketball and being the kind of person
he is, the ESPN shit on him. You know, this
stuff happens in the business We've all been through it.
(22:17):
We've been fired and everything else. But there's ways to
do it in ways not to do it. I mean,
I've been fired four times as a coach, and I
thought ESPN was absolutely miserable to him after what he
had given them for seventeen years. Yeah, my brother wouldn't
be happy if I was saying this, but it's what happened,
(22:39):
and that's what I'm That's what I'm going to say.
And you know what, I don't think anybody who knows
the situation would disagree with me at all.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
What I find fascinating about this is that stan Van
Gundhi says that ESPN shit on his brother, and not
because they fired him or let him go because of
the timing. It was after the head coaching hiring cycle.
It was like after he would have a chance to
catch on with another team. I don't know, but ESPN
(23:08):
is annoying for doing that, and it reminded me that,
you know, it's been like a year and we've had
a full regular season and now most of the playoffs
with the current team in place, and it drives home
every night I think how much we missed Jeff fan
Gundy's voice on those big broadcasts.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, I mean, here's what happened. I think with Jeff
Van Gundy. I agree with Stan. The real thing with
Jeff Fan Gundy is, you know he got to be
he got to where he complained too much about the
officiating and he had and it was just kind of
it got to be a little negative.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I thought it all worked.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I mean, it was a way better broadcasting team than
anything they're thrown out there. But what I'm sure happened
was they sat there and go like, well, you know,
we're coming up on a contract negotiation, and well maybe
the league won't you know, negotiate with us if we
have a broadcaster that's not league friendly. And Ben Gundy
has looked this week friendly, We're not league friendly. Where
(24:02):
I think all of us we take the more romantic you. Hey,
you you hired me because for my opinions. Why are
you so scared of my opinions? People want to hear
my opinions and oh yeah, by the way, all these
people that say, well, you know, the NBA wouldn't do
business with ESPN if you had Jef Van Gunny bullfucking shit.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
If they pay them money, they will. Again, I've been
through this myself.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Conference commissioners, coaches, they call and complain anytime they hear
something you don't like. And what it takes is it
takes a boss to go like, that's just listen. He's
entitled to his opinion. He's paid for his opinion. If
you don't like it, it's not personal and we won't
move on.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
So I agree.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
And the fact that ESPN hired it and did it
in a shitty way is not surprising. I think part
of it was they were told to trim budget, and
part of it was they thought, if we don't get
rid of this guy, we're not going to keep the
NBA package.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Yeah, and I think at the time they had doc
rivers as an option. I think that's how it went.
But anyways, Angel Hernandez wifetime achievement for annoying. Uh, they
going three guys.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I think I think we gotta do Angel Hernandez, I
just do. I mean, he's I don't know, Uh, what's
the guy named cowboy something?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Right? Like I know Joe West, Cowboy Joe West.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I mean, you only know a couple of umpires names
in baseball, and the only thing I know about Angelornanaz
is everybody roundly thinks he sucks.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
So Angel Hernandez, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I do.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Because we can.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
For the second time in a week, Jalen Brown makes
because we can. He keeps saying things on Live Mike's
and it's interesting. He's become more interesting to me in
this postseason. He won the MVP last night, and he
said that when Cedric Maxwell called your name for that trophy,
were you expecting it?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Like what you're feeling when when you heard your name called?
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Uh? And I wasn't expecting that at all. You know,
I'll never win a shit, So.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I was just happy that we want.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Why can we play that for you? Because we can?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Jalen Brown saying never been shit because you know, you know,
you had Marcus Smart as a defensive dude, and you
have Jalen Brown as kind of the second weapon to
a guy like Jason Tatum. That's it for the Doug
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Sweet tire buying should be welcome in Man this U.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
There's a lot to talk about from the weekend. I
I don't know, I just the the situation in golf
was one we talked a little about on the radio show,
but it really felt like the podcast is a better
(00:48):
place for it. So I'm sure most people who were
watching paying attention to sports this weekend know the story.
But there's also plenty of people who are not because
it's more weekend. So if you just you know, if
you're just kind of coming back from being gone for
the weekend and turn your phone off. Grayson Murray who
(01:11):
was on the PGA tour, uh, he died during an
event on Saturday morning, right, and then they're at the
at the Colonial. It's the Charles Schwab Challenge at Colonial
and on Friday he withdrew from the Charles Schwab Challenge
due to illness, right, and then Saturday morning they found
(01:35):
him dead, apparently of suicide. And there's a lot there's
He spoke out earlier this year, he had a tour
win about how he had stopped drinking and really helped
him with his mental state. But this is you know,
it's a it's a tragedy. It's really sad, and it's
one of those deals where you just, I mean you
(01:57):
feel bad for like golfers like here, they're having to
answer these questions and I'm sure like they all knew
it was suicide. In fact, that suicide didn't come out
until after the event was over, but it was just
that had to be hard. I I don't know, that's
that's a really really hard one.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
I mean, death obviously for many of us freaks us out.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
But the idea that we have like a young talented
golfer who you thought, you know, you had had some
issues with drinking whatever, and he's gotten his life straight
and then he he he withdraws from terming. You don't
think anything of it, right, I Mean, that's unbelievable. Jase
tu how would you characterize like you're processing of it.
(02:46):
It's weird because we I don't like to talk about
this stuff, but you do feel like you kind of
got to talk about it because you know, the suicide
is a very strange topic for me, because I do
feel like the more you talk about the more you normalize,
the more you normalize it, the more it feels like
it's a reasonable solution. It's not right. It's a permanent
(03:06):
solution to a temporary problem. It does obviously there's some
mental illness there with it, but it's incredibly sad as well.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
But you and I both have dealt with depression. I
mean you've admitted it, I've admitted it with We've had
issues in our life as well, and what we've chosen
to do to address that, whether it be therapy or
medication or other avenues. I just think that, like my
(03:36):
takeaway when I saw that and then I saw the
heart wrenching statement by the family, is that no matter
how close you keep tabs on somebody, no matter how
often you talk to them, text them, keep in touch,
especially somebody who's troubled, it's impossible to be with someone
(03:57):
twenty four to seven and it's so true project because
of that that he took his life when he was
alone somewhere and there's nothing anyone could have done. And
as a parent, I just can't. I can't even imagine
what that's like.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
I can't either. Man.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Might you have to say as a parent, that's that
that makes it worse? You know, like I got eighteen
year old daughters, and but you're right, it's so sad.
And then you know, you're they're interviewing, they're trying to
do a regular golf tournament, and uh, it's just heart
wrenching to watch, you know, heart wrenching to watch.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
But who I guess, I guess I'm kind of at it.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
There's I don't have a take no takeaway, But I
am often conflicted by this idea that do you talk
about it? Because you talk about it, you normalize it,
You normalize it. Does that make people like it's like
we have more we have more opportunities for people to
get help now than we ever had before, right, Like,
(05:10):
it is easier to get mental health care help than
it ever has before. Yet suicide rates and mental health
rates are are you know, like an all time high.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
So how does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Well, because I'm sorry, I think it's a I think
you were probably gonna say this, but it's the vicious cycle.
People who are depressed and suicidal don't want to seek help,
like misery is a is a bedfellow of depressant depression.
So it's counterintuitive to want to seek help when you
are in your lowest points.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, but I mean again, why then would still why
would the suicide rates be higher? It would stand to
reason that there'd be at least some lowering of it
because there'd be some people that are borderline that did
get help.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
Only explanation I could I could possibly come up with
is maybe we normalized it too much. Maybe we made
it to where it's this. It should not be an option, right,
just not should be an option, But apparently it is.
Speaker 4 (06:15):
But all of us know people, family members or friends,
even coworker that you know, are dealing with shit. And
I think that, Like when I see this on Sunday,
that's what I thought to myself, Like, you just don't
even know what just a phone call or just reaching
out to someone checking in, want to make sure you're cool,
you know, reach out. That's the that's the message that
(06:38):
I got out of this.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Okay, I like that. That is a good message. It
is a good message. All right.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Let's turn to sports a little bit here, because I
do think that Lucas shot to win Game three, which
essentially wins the series, you know, because if Minnesota wins
that game, now it's two to one, it's it gets
into very much in a question, but three to zero
it becomes a foregone conclusion. There's a couple things to it.
(07:07):
I understand. It's it's somehow fun to make fun of
Rudy Gobert. But if you look at the caption, you
look at the last photo of the shot that Luca hit,
he's right there, you know, he's got a hand up,
he's right there in his face, in his path, and.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Luca just shoots it over him.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
So there's a bunch to it. But I do think
that it's very necessary to say that. I've told you
I thought Luca is the best player in the NBA
that's played out as such, But I would also tell
you that he's made those fadeaways before he made him,
you know, over a long arm. He's just this incredible,
incredible player, incredible and while it's fun to make fun
(07:51):
of Rudy Gobert at the end of the day, like
the defense wasn't terrible.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
He was right there.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
He's seven be tall, he's got a hand up, he
jumps just Luca gets it over the top, and we
can act like there's all these other options that are
just as good.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
But the fact is he gets that shot off against anybody.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Now, if you want to say as soon as he
got it, you should have double team him get the
bott of his hands, that.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
I'll agree with. That I will definitely agree with.
Speaker 2 (08:17):
But it sets up after tonight likely a Boston Dallas
NBA Finals, and wow, it's it's pretty fun. I mean,
Kyrie against the team that he used to play for
and that thing didn't end well. Jason Tatum's second trip
to the NBA Finals when last time to the NBA
(08:37):
Finals he didn't play particularly well. And Chris Hasperzingi is
playing against his former team in the Dallas Mavericks that
if he plays, that could be interesting. I think we
actually have an interesting storyline based NBA Finals, even if
America doesn't love to pay attention to the two teams
actually paying playing.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
He short to catch live editions of the Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
Let's get to the Fox, says.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
And now what does the Fox say?
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Here?
Speaker 2 (09:12):
On the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, we
play for you a portion of a previous show on
Fox portrayer of Fox Sports.
Speaker 3 (09:19):
What do we call it?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
What does the Fox say? Here's Dan Patrick and Jay.
Billis talking about Bill Walton.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
I had to tell somebody yesterday, a thirty three year
old guy that I was talking to, how great Walton
was a basketball player. And they said that guy was
a great mask. I said, yes, one of the greatest
centers in college basketball history. How would you sum up
working with Bill? Jay?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
A glorious adventure that every time you were around Bill,
he made it about you. He made it a tremendous
amount of fun. And he was so generous and kind
and a spirit that was hard to define. You know,
(10:04):
you always wound up laughing, you know, sometimes at him,
so most of the time at what he was saying.
He was very self deprecating.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (10:13):
And he he had he could bring the needle out,
which I love he you know, he called me Jake.
He never called me by my name, and and I
loved it. You know, it was like Walton, you know,
is bringing me in. And even on broadcasts that I
wasn't on, he would refer to me as Jake, and
some people got it, some people didn't. But he was.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
He was wonderful, one of kind, one of one.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
And as we talked about in the radio show a
little bit in the pod, I mean, I I met
Bill Walton when I was thirteen years old, and I
made indelible friendships with his oldest son Adam and with Nate,
played with both of them, Tuffy Chris, who of course
played for my brother at San Dieguis State, and uh
and and you know, obviously Lucas was always the star
(11:02):
of the family. But you know, like first time we
went to his house, I just remember walking through his
house and like he was in the backyard and that's
where he slept, was in a tepee. You know, he
was one of one, one of one, and it was
there was a little bit of a you had to
(11:23):
be on the inside for some of these inside jokes,
but they were good inside jokes. And the thing with
Dave Pash, who are you? What's your name again. You
know that thing just became very very funny, very funny.
And look that position. And of course, as many of
you know, I've I've worked in that same field for
over twenty years. It's actually called color commentator. Color commentator.
(11:48):
It's not real. We've made it into analyst, but truly
color commentator. And he's colorful, incredibly colorful.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
And he'll be missed. This is Paul Piers talking about Celtics.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
No concern skip. I actually enjoyed that these games were
close for the simple fact that when you look at
how we played in the regular season, with the average
margin of victory being eleven, and you know, people expecting
us to win mighty handily, for us to endure comebacks
in three other four games, and this could have easily
(12:21):
been a series when you look back at it, we
swept it. This could have easily been a series where
we could be talking today being down three to one.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
But we're not.
Speaker 7 (12:29):
But you're and the reality of it is we're on
to the NBA Finals. This team showed me a lot.
You know, I wonder if they will be challenging. You know,
people are gonna say, yeah, they had the easiest role
in round one, No Jimmy Butler, no Donovan Mitchell. But
sometimes these are the most difficult teams to play against.
Skip And I'm gonna tell you why Indiana had a
(12:51):
lot of success versus the Celtics. For one, when you
go into a series, you get your scout report, You'll
be like, all right, this is the head of the snake.
We need to cut this off. We need to stop
this and stop that which is Halliburn. Now you take
Halliburn out of the equation. Now what's the scout report?
Now you got a lot of unpredictability.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
Uh yeah, I mean like, look, I think for the Celtics,
obviously they need prezingis, you know, because what's what's happened
with Dallas is uh they're two big guys.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
They just change shots and it allows.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Luca to play a little bit harder defensively, knowing if
he gets beat he's he's got rim protection behind him.
I think they gotta have prezingis to win this thing.
And it's interesting. Four to oh means yeah, he gets
more time to come back, and there's he's not missed,
you know, when when they're having games, he still does
his workouts. I did think it would be It would
have been interesting to get him in game four, even
(13:51):
if there was a game five, because going from just
working out and doing drills and you know, playing you know,
fake games with the other guys, the level of intensity
of an NBA Finals is really really high, and it
would it feels like it'd be a hard adjustment to
make with no kind of run.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
Up games, no run up games.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Here's Colin Coward having an exchange with Tom Brady about
his new broadcasting gig.
Speaker 8 (14:17):
There are definitely parts of me that are hyper competitive,
and certainly they were as a player and as an athlete.
I love that competition. I relish that competition daily. I
didn't get if it was practice, if it was a game,
if it was ping pong, if we were playing trashketball
in the in the locker room, I wanted to win.
(14:39):
There's other parts where I feel like I've matured a
little bit and I don't necessarily have to be absolutely
competitive in everything.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
It's a little more selective.
Speaker 8 (14:49):
I think if I want to put effort into something,
then natural I'll be Naturally I'll be more competitive at
it because I'll invest in a little bit of my time,
a little bit of my.
Speaker 4 (14:59):
Energy into it.
Speaker 8 (15:00):
It certainly with the broadcaster. I don't think for me
it's about competition. I think it's for me it's about
did I put everything I could into it? And I
did I give the fans everything that they tuned in for?
And that's really how I end up gauging myself and
and I'll have to look at myself at the end
(15:20):
of every Sunday night going did I do a good
enough job? Did I live up to the belief that
Fox had in me? Did I live up to the
expectations of my teammates Kevin Burkhart and Aaron and Tom
and richie's Ions and rich Russo in our entire truck,
the entire team. That's that's ultimately how I judge myself
in that new role.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Hmmm, well, listen, I'm I'm I'm intrigued to hear what
Tom Brady sounds like calling a game. I am, and
and do I do? I think it sucks for Greg
Olsen of course, of course any of us who were
not Hall of Famers in your broadcast or whatever like
this is this is that life I actually even know,
(16:01):
and I empathize with it because of how I got
my job as a at basketball coach. Here, guys have
been grinding really good connections to the school and I
leapfrog them. So it puts you under a brighter microscope
and makes you have to be even more prepared. But
I would tell you that the one thing about Tom
Brady is that seems to be his area of expertise,
(16:23):
which is being uber prepared.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
That's what the Fox said say.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
Let's find out who are What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
James.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Do you've had a three day weekend to work yourself
up into a tizzy?
Speaker 3 (16:59):
What are you most annoy Yeah?
Speaker 4 (17:02):
Lots, But I know this is this is kind of
a lifetime Achievement award. Though maybe the maybe the most
annoying umpire in the history has and I'm putting in
air quotes, retired, Yes, forced to resign by the MLB
with a nice severance is probably the best way to
(17:25):
put it. But he's retired. And Angel Hernandez was a
complete asshole who made a lot of bad calls. He
sued the MLB because for racial discrimination for even though
he was just a bad umpire. Believe it or not,
you can be disciplined for not being good at your job.
That I know that millennials and gen Z don't understand that.
(17:46):
But when you're not good at your job, you could
be disciplined. But he said it was about race, and
he sued him. So he retired yesterday. And I thought
the the most appropriate way to send Angel Hernandez off
would be to play a clip of his most recent beef.
You know, Bryce Harper struck out on Chuck Swing, Angel
(18:07):
Hernandez delivered the check swings strikeout. And I think the
only way to do it on this podcast is to
have the lip reader, John Boy send Angel Hernandez into retirement.
Speaker 9 (18:19):
Oh did he go? Yes, says Angel hernand Well, are
you serious? There's no fucking way.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
That's terrible.
Speaker 9 (18:29):
Oh you're done?
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Are you shitting me?
Speaker 9 (18:33):
That's fucking terrible. You're garbage. There's no fucking way. Are
you shitting me? There's no fucking way. I fucking went.
That's so fucking bad. You fucking shitting me? Are you serious?
Speaker 3 (18:46):
You swung.
Speaker 9 (18:50):
You swung Angel Hernandez is such a weirdo man.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
Just standing there taking this abuse the whole time. I mean,
what else are you gonna do? And then just a
very casual you swung so good. So but why is
he annoying you?
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Because because he gets the retirement announcement, even though everybody
knows he's not retiring, that he's getting fired.
Speaker 4 (19:14):
No, it's just he's annoying.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
That's just in totality.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, an annoying person.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I'm good with that.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Yeah, I think that's it's kind of inarguable. But I
know you had to get some fun with him. It's
just so weird that for so long, so many had
complained about him and yet he still kept his job, right,
That was just really weird. Now obviously time is up.
Who else annoying you?
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I think it speaks to how hard it is in
this day and age to fire people. Yes, just being
bad at your job is not does not reach the
threshold for firing people, correct, in which people of our
generation just shake our head at that. But anyways, the
phrase they go in threes. I'm often on the show
pointing out kind of lazy, cliched phrases that people use.
(20:01):
You know, I'm infamous for discovering the joke that I
can't believe it's already June. In fact, on Friday, I'll
probably going to tweet out I can't believe it's already June.
People that are overly excited about how fast time goes,
they go in threes. Is like kind of the lazy
cliche thing that people say when there are when there
are a group of people that have just passed. Unfortunately,
(20:23):
we lost Bill Walton yesterday to cancer two days ago,
just the unfortunate suicide of Grayson Murray, professional golfer. Just
two very sad episodes. But I heard someone yesterday. I'm
not going to name them by name, i won't do that,
but they say, you know, they go in threes. This
(20:43):
General Hospital actor was shot in downtown Los Angeles. Johnny Whacter,
Johnny Water was shot. And I think all of these
are tragedies, and I'm not making fun of their deaths
very sad. I'm making fun of the person that goes
to the cliche they die in threes. And the third
person they always mention is a huge stretch. Like the
(21:03):
first two are sports related, the third one is a
soap Actra on General Hospital. I'm sure he's a great guy,
but that's such a stretch. They go in threes. That's
an annoying phrase for me.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
They do that is that is an annoying phrase completely
because what it does is somehow it diminishes.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
Like you said, we always stretch for the.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Third person, but like, why can't we just as we've
done the radio show in the spot talk about Bill Walton,
why do we have to wrap somebody else's death in
with Bill Walton?
Speaker 4 (21:31):
You know what they say, you know they're going through.
So ESPN is annoying for many reasons, many reasons, but
maybe this might be their most latest reason.
Speaker 3 (21:42):
Stand by oh biggest reason, Espenan's annoying. We want to
share it with me.
Speaker 4 (21:45):
Oh, I'm sorry. Stan van Gundy was on with Dan Levatard,
which that interview went viral for another reason, but he
also said this about his brother, Jeff Van Gundy.
Speaker 10 (21:57):
After seventeen years of being in arguably I don't even
know if it's arguably the best game broadcast booth in
the business in basketball and being the kind of person
he is, the ESPN shit on him. You know, this
stuff happens in the business We've all been through it.
(22:17):
We've been fired and everything else. But there's ways to
do it in ways not to do it. I mean,
I've been fired four times as a coach, and I
thought ESPN was absolutely miserable to him after what he
had given them for seventeen years. Yeah, my brother wouldn't
be happy if I was saying this, but it's what happened,
(22:39):
and that's what I'm That's what I'm going to say.
And you know what, I don't think anybody who knows
the situation would disagree with me at all.
Speaker 4 (22:47):
What I find fascinating about this is that stan Van
Gundhi says that ESPN shit on his brother, and not
because they fired him or let him go because of
the timing. It was after the head coaching hiring cycle.
It was like after he would have a chance to
catch on with another team. I don't know, but ESPN
(23:08):
is annoying for doing that, and it reminded me that,
you know, it's been like a year and we've had
a full regular season and now most of the playoffs
with the current team in place, and it drives home
every night I think how much we missed Jeff fan
Gundy's voice on those big broadcasts.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, I mean, here's what happened. I think with Jeff
Van Gundy. I agree with Stan. The real thing with
Jeff Fan Gundy is, you know he got to be
he got to where he complained too much about the
officiating and he had and it was just kind of
it got to be a little negative.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
I thought it all worked.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I mean, it was a way better broadcasting team than
anything they're thrown out there. But what I'm sure happened
was they sat there and go like, well, you know,
we're coming up on a contract negotiation, and well maybe
the league won't you know, negotiate with us if we
have a broadcaster that's not league friendly. And Ben Gundy
has looked this week friendly, We're not league friendly. Where
(24:02):
I think all of us we take the more romantic you. Hey,
you you hired me because for my opinions. Why are
you so scared of my opinions? People want to hear
my opinions and oh yeah, by the way, all these
people that say, well, you know, the NBA wouldn't do
business with ESPN if you had Jef Van Gunny bullfucking shit.
Speaker 3 (24:22):
If they pay them money, they will. Again, I've been
through this myself.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Conference commissioners, coaches, they call and complain anytime they hear
something you don't like. And what it takes is it
takes a boss to go like, that's just listen. He's
entitled to his opinion. He's paid for his opinion. If
you don't like it, it's not personal and we won't
move on.
Speaker 3 (24:39):
So I agree.
Speaker 2 (24:41):
And the fact that ESPN hired it and did it
in a shitty way is not surprising. I think part
of it was they were told to trim budget, and
part of it was they thought, if we don't get
rid of this guy, we're not going to keep the
NBA package.
Speaker 4 (24:54):
Yeah, and I think at the time they had doc
rivers as an option. I think that's how it went.
But anyways, Angel Hernandez wifetime achievement for annoying. Uh, they
going three guys.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
I think I think we gotta do Angel Hernandez, I
just do. I mean, he's I don't know, Uh, what's
the guy named cowboy something?
Speaker 3 (25:13):
Right? Like I know Joe West, Cowboy Joe West.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
I mean, you only know a couple of umpires names
in baseball, and the only thing I know about Angelornanaz
is everybody roundly thinks he sucks.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
So Angel Hernandez, you know.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I do.
Speaker 1 (25:35):
Because we can.
Speaker 4 (25:38):
For the second time in a week, Jalen Brown makes
because we can. He keeps saying things on Live Mike's
and it's interesting. He's become more interesting to me in
this postseason. He won the MVP last night, and he
said that when Cedric Maxwell called your name for that trophy,
were you expecting it?
Speaker 1 (25:57):
Like what you're feeling when when you heard your name called?
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Uh? And I wasn't expecting that at all. You know,
I'll never win a shit, So.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
I was just happy that we want.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Why can we play that for you? Because we can?
Speaker 2 (26:12):
Jalen Brown saying never been shit because you know, you know,
you had Marcus Smart as a defensive dude, and you
have Jalen Brown as kind of the second weapon to
a guy like Jason Tatum. That's it for the Doug
Gottlieb Show in the Bonus podcast. Check out the radio
show every day three to five Eastern Fox Sports Trader,
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