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Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, you know this is the Doug Gottlieb Show.
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Speaker 2 (00:12):
What Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox Sports Radio,
I Heart Radio app. Welcome, Welcome, Welcome in Hope. You're
doing great. It's a beautiful day here in northeast Wisconsin.
Little human outside, so it's hot this. We don't know
what it's like in SOCOW. I do know that though,
that we're in an interesting fashion. Look, part of evaluating
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players is understanding age and experience and the perfect juxtaposition of.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Look, do we go through hypocritical stuff as well?
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Right where we say, hey, stats don't matter for summer
for summer league, and yet I guess they don't matter
if you don't play well. If you do play well,
then we promote the crap out of the stats. Right,
that does happen? So the first thing is do stats matter?
Sort of? The bigger part is what is your age
and what is your level of experience. For example, Zach
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Edy had a really good game last night against against Utah,
going against Walker Kessler, who's.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Been in the league for two years averaged eight to eight.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Remember, Zach Edy is judged in a different scale than
many of the rookies because unlike Stefan Castle, unlike even
Brownie James, he's played four years of college basketball. He's
supposed to be ahead of the curve, ahead of the curve,
he's supposed to be ready to go to National Player
of the Year. For him, it's what's it look like
when you play against the abstu actual dudes, and how
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much more growth is there in his game? And he
can say it, well, how much more is there need
to be? He's playing against backups at best. Still, it's
going to be just a fascinating snapshot of where we
are in the NBA. Because twenty five years ago he
comes out of school, when I come out, he's a
top three pick.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
There's no question.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
Now he's still end up being the ninth pick, but
most people thought that spot was a little high. And
how does he fit with John Morant? So there's a
lot there. It's going to be fascining to see how
it plays out. But I do think it's really interesting
that people don't take into account age and experience some
it's also situational and that is kind of the template
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for Okay, what our expectations are of this player, how
old is he, how experience is he. Don't get me wrong,
I was impressed, And don't get me wrong, I there's
some confirmation biased but I knew that the.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
The Brownie thing was coming.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
But what I think the power, the true power to
evaluating is not just trying to see what a player is,
how is he used? But where are there areas for growth?
And will he grow in that role? Will he grow
at this point in time? And where he is in
his is he in his development? That's how you evaluate.
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It's a really hard thing because you know, some guys
get stronger, some guys get taller, Guys games slows down.
Some guys, though, also go the other way. Well, they're
not particularly good and they don't get better. But comparing
Zach Eaedy to Bronnie James, it is fair to say, hey,
Zach played four years of college, the two time National
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Player of the Year. Of course he's supposed to be
better than Brownie. And oh yeah, by the way he
was drafted, I don't know what it is. Thirty forty
was it forty six spots ahead of Bronnie James. He's
a two time National Player of the year, but age
experience do in fact matter, and apparently stats don't matter
unless they do.
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App Let's get to what the Fox says and now.
Speaker 1 (03:55):
Fuck say every day. This time the Doug out Lip Show.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
In the Bonus podcast, we played for your portion of
a previous year on Fox Sports Radio Fox Sports One.
This is Dan Patrick talking about Cooper Flag.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
And if you watch the highlights, he is a very
advanced seventeen year old. We interviewed him a couple of
months ago, very confident and doesn't seem like he's phased
by any of this. Hey there's Lebron and Hey, I'm
going to shoot a three over Anthony Davis. This is
where the NBA misses out because they imagine Cooper Flag
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going into the NBA. He would have been the number
one pick this year. Imagine him going into the NBA.
Now now he's going to go to Duke, so he'll
be on national TV, but he is going to be
the player face that you know. You have Danny Hurley
as the coaching face and you're going to have Cooper
Flagg as the player face of college basketball this upcoming season,
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and by all accounts, he is worthy of this legitimate
going against these guys, and he had a day yesterday.
But part of the reason why there's a little bit
more magic to it is now, let we can factor
that he is six ' eleven, white guy out of
Maine who's playing in Florida, who's going to Duke. So
those are novelties, not the white guy going to Duke.
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But he's six ' eleven, white guy, and he's the
number one high school player in America, and he's playing
against Lebron and ad and all these other great players,
maybe the greatest Olympic team we've ever had, and he's
out there playing and more than holding his own.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Well, I don't know if it's maybe the greatest Olympic
team we've ever had, But we can have that discussion,
as we've had it some in the pod and we
had it some on radio. What it would say is
that I think Cooper flag brings back college basketball.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
To the forefront. That's really what it kind of comes
down to.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
I mean, he is that dynamic and he's been that
good for the last two off seasons that everyone who
follows basketball has known this is coming. He's an American
big guy who can handle, move, shoot, rebound, dunk, block
shots past the basketball, canu below everything. There's a lot
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to like there, and there's a lot to this story.
But it's also not crazy surprising that he's playing well
thus far to this point. It's just not It may
sound surprising, especially being consider how talented the current Olympic
team is, but it really isn't if you've actually followed
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him and followed how he plays and how granted, at
his own age level he's dominated, but it shouldn't be
a surprise that he's taken that next step, even against
this high level competition. Here's Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn, LeVar
Arrington talking about the Lakers offseason.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
It's probably been a great offseason for Lebron James and
the family. I mean, everybody got paid, everybody got drafted.
They're good. It's just the organization that's, you know, kind
of been a tough spot. And it actually reminds me
a little bit of Kobe Bryant's final years with the Lakers,
to where they gave him that last big deal well,
he got paid, but everyone recognized, dude, they're not close
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to being able to compete for a title. And Lebron
can say whatever he wants about Oh, I think we're
still in contention. I think we're still in contention. You
got worse this offseason while other teams they.
Speaker 5 (07:16):
Better got best.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
For certain, they did not get better.
Speaker 6 (07:19):
And it just it just goes back to the original
point of if you had a thought process of We
heard yesterday that it was reported that that Hurley turned
down a difference of like twenty million dollars.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
Six years fifty million is what he took at Yukon.
Speaker 6 (07:39):
Can you imagine what that man had to hear on
his job conversation? I'll say interview, we could say interview.
I guess what did you hear in a job interview
that would make you pass up on a job that
gives you a twenty million dollar pay raise.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Well, I think it's lack of control in his coaching staff.
Lakers want to want to pick and choose the coaching staff.
That that's part of it. And yeah, I also think
there's the what is the clear path to winning? We're
going to draft brod of James? Do I have to
play him. You know, can I play who I want?
Can A coach who I want? Can I coach with
who I want? I would say that's it. But yes,
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it has been a rather alarming offseason. If you're a
hardcore Laker or Lebron fan, I think that's very very
reasonable to say, really reasonable to say, because you know,
when you don't get Klay Thompson and everybody thought eventually
he'd be a Laker if he wasn't a warrior, that
one throws all the alarm bells start to go off.
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Here's Keisjan Johnson and Rake Rachel Nichols talking about Paul
George saying the Clippers low baaldam.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
Him a buck fifty, give me my buck fifty. I'm cool,
but you're trying to give me sixty hardest good.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
I find that hard. Believe.
Speaker 8 (08:57):
The war was a little complicated math because it was
based on he'd have to pick up his option, he'd
get paid for that, and then the math of what
the other years were in terms of the second apron
and the taxes. So it's not quite as bad as
it sounds. However, is not quite as bad? However, No, no, no,
it's not quite as bad as it sounds because he's
not talking about the money he would also get with
his option in. But it definitely was not an appropriate offer. Regardless,
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it was not appropriate.
Speaker 7 (09:22):
But I'm gonna get the opt in regardless, I want
my extension. I'm gonna get the I'm gonna get the
fifty to forty nine or whatever he was gonna give
me on my last year. Anyway, Look, I'm talking about
new money. You was gonna give me sixty million on
new money. I got two twelve on new money. That's
all I'm saying. So that's majorly disrespectful. So you're gonna
feel a certain way, okay, And and I understand Laura's
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frank right. He wants to show mister Barmber, look I can.
Speaker 1 (09:48):
Get this done a certain I could save us some money.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
Don't worry about these things. Just let me handle it.
So now you can go to the boss. So I
get all of our businesses.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
They like to go to the.
Speaker 7 (09:56):
Boss and show see I got it for less.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Just pay that dude, man, Keisha.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
That sounds great, But there's something called the second second,
second apron level of tax. And yeah, if they got
to a certain level, they bump up on the second apron,
So it's not just just pay that dude.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
And like, look, let's be honest.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Even Paul George knows he's not a number one, he's
a number two, yet he wanted to be played paid
like a number one.
Speaker 1 (10:21):
That's what the Fox says.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
I'd say, let's find out who or what is annoying
Jason Stewart, and now it's your annoying.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Hey, Doug. Joe Burrow did a podcast and he offered
this solution to the NFL's Pro Bowl problem.
Speaker 9 (10:50):
I think it'd be cool to do a normal bi
week schedule that it is now, like, have it spread out,
but then like week thirteen, do like the Pro Bowl
break where you're doing like the seven on seven and
all the skills challenges like the NBA does, because I
think that would get more ratings for the Pro Bowl. Yes,
and then it would also give everybody that bye week
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going into like the last sixteen, So, Doug.
Speaker 5 (11:14):
Yesterday it was reported that the NFL made thirteen billion
dollars in twenty twenty three, and the Pro Bowl as
it exists, which is just like some stupid Sunday filled
with NFL players being jackasses, rates better than most other sports.
So why would we need to fix something? Why would
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we take a complete week off this? You know what's
really successful? You know it would work better than a
Pro Bowl flag football game and week thirteen an actual
NFL schedule and week thirteen that would be really popular.
I don't think we need to fix for that.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
No, I don't.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
And you know it's like, oh, you know, flag football
game in the middle of the season. H what do
you think of something gets hurt?
Speaker 5 (12:04):
Yeah, no, one would bow out of that one.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
No, no, everybody would bow out of that one, literally everybody.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
So it's one of those no such thing as a
bad idea. And then you hear that, it's like, you know,
it's kind of a bad idea.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Who else is annoying you?
Speaker 5 (12:19):
JJ Watt He he always annoys me. I think he's
the biggest douchebag in sports. But if you want proof,
go to his social media right now. He took a
picture or had a picture taken of himself that I
think that's part of the douchebaggery here, is that he
had a picture taken of himself looking really ripped after
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working out. It's it's shocking the former NFL player would
be ripped, just a couple of years removed from his career,
ending that it's fine to be proud of of the
way you look. I get it. I've been there. I've
been proud of the way I looked at one point
in my life. But it's posting on your own social
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media that is the douchebag part of this. If your
wife wants to post it, or your buddy or your teammate, okay, cool,
But posting it on your own social media, that's that's
where it reaches the level of douche to me.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Okay, So as he reached that level of douche, I.
Speaker 5 (13:20):
Mean he reached out level many many years ago, but
fair enough. Novak Djokovic, yepkay, arguably the best tennis player
of all time. He won a match last night and
then raised some eyebrows when he gave this interview to
BBC afterwards.
Speaker 10 (13:39):
And to all those people that have chosen to disrespect
the play player in this case.
Speaker 8 (13:45):
Me, have a good night.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Night, good night, very good night. Yeah.
Speaker 9 (13:56):
I'm hyping that they were just commenting on and that
they weren't disrespecting you.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
They were, they were, they were. I don't accept it.
Speaker 10 (14:05):
No, no, no, I know they were changing for Rune,
but that's an excuse to also boo. I listen, I've
been I've been on the tour for more than twenty years,
so trust me, I know all the tricks.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
I know how it works.
Speaker 10 (14:19):
It's fine, it's fine, it's okay. I focus on irrespectful
people that have respect, that paid the ticket to come
and watch the night.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
And love tennis.
Speaker 10 (14:30):
And love tennis and appreciate the players and the effort
that the players put in.
Speaker 5 (14:34):
Here.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
I played in much more hostile environment. Trust me, you
guys can touch me.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
I think what annoys me is that this has been
this is being presented as like this guy crying about
something but being booed, and how golf or tennis is
a sport of decorum and you don't boo tennis players
and he's been an asshole and got it, he didn't
take the vaccination, all that stuff. I think. I think
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that sucks. I think what's annoying about this is that
this SoundBite hasn't been played all day as like a
great athlete sound bite speaking from his heart. He's getting
a lot of frustration out. He sounds a little corny,
and he's a foreigner and everything, but him saying you
can't touch me. I think it is just a great SoundBite.
You just don't hear this kind of like you know,
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I don't know. You don't hear this kind of like
honesty from athletes. So I'm gonna I'm gonna say the
annoying part is is how this is being framed.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Oh I like that, one like it?
Speaker 5 (15:35):
One more, one more, little one. This is and this
isn't deep at all. It doesn't have many tangents at all.
It doesn't have any passionate sides to it. But I
will say this. I I've had a grandfather who needed
to be put into a home, okay, and it's a
it's a major decision for all the family members, and
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you take the medical community that the medical support and consideration.
You have a tough decision to make, and you as
a family do what's best for the individual, and you
put him into a home. The one thing you don't
do is you don't ask Gramps if he wants to
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go into a home, because the answer is going to
be no. Seemingly, if you read and watch the reporting,
the only person who wants to stay in this race
is Joe Biden. The one guy who's being questioned for
his mental capacity is the one guy who says I'm
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staying in the race. And to me, it just reminds
me of Gramps. You don't ask Gramps, you just do
what's best for him and the country. I guess in this.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
Regard, MMM, I'm gonna say this for you, Jason, because
I know JJ watt is somebody who annoys the crap
out of you on a daily basis. I'm going to say,
JJ Watty, why.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Are we doing this? Because we can? This is given
Ritas on his podcast.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Who are y'all better than in the West right now?
Speaker 1 (17:18):
Not even.
Speaker 6 (17:20):
With Zach Levine, You're not even top four in the
way with zach Vin, you're crazy.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
You're not better than Denver with Zach Lavin, yes we are,
you got three. Yes we are not better than.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Denver is like Denver is like they one.
Speaker 6 (17:35):
And they y'all not better than Memphis with John com
Definitely not better than that's a fact.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Definitely not. Motherfuckers won ten games last year. No, nobody's
run about.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
I think the point was that it's not just that
nobody's worried about Memphis. The point point is that everybody
always looks at those teams ahead of the Lakers and says,
who could climb out? Who could they climb over to
get closer and closer to the top rung of that ladder,
not realizing there's are some teams beneath them that are
also in the climb. Mike, could we play for you?
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Because we can?
Speaker 1 (18:08):
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Speaker 2 (18:09):
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