July 18, 2024 • 40 mins
Doug riffs on Saquon Barkley and how the New York Giants let him go. Doug reacts to Colin Cowherd's take on Joel Embiid. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Browns guard Wyatt Teller makes today's version of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
What Up Doug Gottlieb Show, and the Bonus Fox Sports Radio.
iHeartRadio app. You know, we talked some Olympics in the
radio show. We talked some Joel Embiid. I'll talk some
Joel Embiid here upcoming as well. But I want to
start with relating to Saquon Barkley. I was thinking about this,
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uh Jay stew yesterday, and I thought it was I
thought it was super pertinent right in that I can
actually relate to Saquon Barkley, can relate to Saquon Barkley
from from this standpoint. I remember when I was at ESPN.
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ESPN made a living out of low balling people with
their first offer and again without kind of giving away
figures or whatever. So what happened with Sakuon Barkley was
last year, the contract didn't get to the level that
he wanted to get to. And remember they had the
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running back call, and then they ended up putting him
on a one year contract and giving him a little
bit more money and keep him a little happier. And
he made I think eleven million dollars last year, and
then he became They allowed him to become sort of
a free agent this year and shop himself and Joel
Shane had he's their general manager. He had the phone
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call with him which we heard on Hard Knocks where
he's like, hey, man, we want you to be here.
Circle back to circle back to us. Now. One of
the issues with Joel Shane with that phone conversation was
there was a lot of past tense. You've been great
for us, you know, it's been awesome to have you here.
There was a little bit of either defeatist attitude or
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just too much past tense in terms of those statements.
But I think the biggest flaw is we'll do this
thing in negotiation where we start low and you start high,
and we meet in the middle. We start low and
you start high, we meet in the middle. And you know,
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I I've actually gone to there's a dealership in It's
a they basically all of Wisconsin. Is Bergstrom has all
these dealers and they have this upfront pricing thing, and
I just kind of think that's the way in which
we should do things, and had the New York Giants
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done that, I think I think they might still have
Saquon Barkley, and I think Saquon Barkley might not have
been in his feelings as much as he's in his feelings,
because the truth is, at the end of the day,
he took basically the same deal to go to the
arch rival of the Giants. Right we talked about this yesterday, like, however,
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much more money, and right now it's like a million dollars,
potentially a million dollars, And again that sounds like a
lot and it is a lot of million dollars to
you and me. Is a crazy amount of money, a
crap ton of money. But to say Kwan Barkley, when
you're talking about a three year deal and you know
he'll have been in a league. When if you've been
in a league for ten years and you've made one
hundred and twenty million dollars or so, or one hundred
million dollars and it's one million dollars, he has one
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percent of one hundred million dollars. Like to give away
not just the fact that you've been a Giant for
life and you're a beloved member of the Giants, but
let's also be honest, like it's a good way to
work in TV is to be a member of the
New York Giants. You're in New York City, You're mister Giant,
beloved member. So that money like gives away the sweat
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equity that he had with the Giants. With the Giants
fan base, you can go to a lot of teams.
You go to the Eagles. What kind of dead dea?
What kind of deaddea? Look? Year one, there'll be a
lot of lush, a love, a lot of praise, a
lot of people in the stands like, man, the Giants,
did you ramant? By year two? Like now he's an ego?
I hate him. That works, And by the way, that's
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how it works in business as well. And I can
tell you that I didn't leave ESPN out of animosity,
but it was really hard to process. What they do there,
or they used to do, was six months in advance.
They tell you, hey, man, we want to reup you,
and oftentimes that's followed by some sort of low ball offer,
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and it's not until usually three months before your contract
is up, that you have a window where you can
start to negotiate with other people. So for those three
months you sit there and go like these people don't
even value me, don't even want me here. I know
I can get more than that in the open market.
So the truth is, like when I left ESPN for CBS,
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it was more money because of how the taxes worked,
and there's a way in which you can do it
where it technically was more money ten percent more, but
in terms of the actual dollar figures, it was the same.
It was a matching figure. And the reason, at least
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one of the reasons I didn't take it was because
you just walk around for three months ago and like,
I work my ass off, I have elevated myself and
this and this. I know there's a bigger pot out
there with substantially more money, and they have to be
they have to be leveraged in order to get there.
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Had they simply offered me the offer that they finished
with at the start, had they done the upfront pricing,
I probably taken it because I don't need the added stress.
I didn't need the questions from home. I didn't need
the wondering of where we're going to move. I didn't
need all of that stuff. So I think that Saquon's
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wrong for undervaluing the sweat equity that he turned in
and oh yeah, by the way, and look, I think
I processed it pretty well, but I would be lying
of saying didn't play a factor. I also don't think
he processed it well that that was simply negotiation. On
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the other hand, the giants said, just at the upfront pricing,
none of this would have happened to begin with.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
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Speaker 2 (06:38):
Let's let's get to what the Fox says.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
And now.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
This is Dan Patrick talking about Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
They just signed this new deal. No great timing, but
that's the Caitlin Clark effect. She had a large say
in this TV deal that you now, all of a sudden,
you know, players might get their salaries doubled. You may
tune into the WNBA just to see Caitlyn Clark. Hopefully
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you'll see the other players and you'll see how far
the game has progressed evolved, and that there are great
athletes there. You know, Asia Wilson has been playing great
basketball for quite some time. It's just now people are
starting to recognize her Caitlin brought the spotlight, but the
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spotlight's big enough for a lot of other players, and
that's where you benefit from it. You know, Tiger came there,
prize money all of a sudden, you know, doubled. Now
everybody benefited from Tiger Woods, you know, Charter planes in
the WNBA. But you have to embrace it, and you
have to acknowledge what she's done. I mean, she she
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should get MVP votes from this standpoint. Is she great? Yes?
Is she the most value player in the league? And
the answer is yes.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Uh yeah. I mean obviously in terms of popularity, she's
the most valuable. She's not the best player in the league,
and she won't be the MVP. I think there's there's
a couple of different aspects of it. Dan has been
all over this rightly, So you know, sometimes we use
this to contradict what Dan says. This is not one
of those times. Uh, this is one of those times
where we go, hey, Dan's been on this, We're in
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agreeance with him. It's it's a joke that she's not
on USA Basketball. I mean, honestly, to me, it's a
borderline fireball offense. What I mean, honestly, Cheryl what Cheryl reeve.
The way in which she's acted, She has been a
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petulant child in the way in which she's acted. I mean, honestly, like,
one of the things I don't think Mike Krzyzewski is
the greatest exno coach in the history of the sport.
But I think think one of the things that coach
k did was he was he was almost regal, you know,
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the best of the best, romost regal. Even Bob Knight
when he was the head coach of the nineteen eighty
four Olympic team. Like Bob Knight understood what it meant
to coach the US Olympic team. Now, he didn't keep
some of the all time greats. John Stockton got cut,
Mark Price got cut, Charles Barkley got cut. Right, So
he had his own ego issues in terms of trying
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to filter out a team. This has happened before. But
the way in which I mean this is so obvious
how good it is for women's basketball to have her involved,
and frankly, like, if you look at her progression, she's
gotten more and more comfortable. She's played better and better basketball,
playing against the higher level of competition. She's adjusted, and
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when this decision was made, it was early on when
they were struggling, there was somebody who I mean like,
look quite obviously Shoe Reeve does not value wait potential. Well,
I know her team, or at least last time I checked,
and I don't check the standings, it was the top
of the standings of the WNBA. So it's not that
she's not a very good coach. She is, but she
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has she represents our country, she represents all of women's basketball,
and she's she's been a joke through this thing. How
how uh how turned off she's been by the attention
that Caitlyn Clark has gotten. And and that's really uh.
I understand that players, some of these players aren't smart
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enough to figure out how important she is, but for
a coach to have coached in the WNBA as long
as she has and to see the change in the
crowds and to push back against it like it's like
it's zubaz pants, some sort of fad that you can't
wait to get rid of. It's it's been laughable and
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honestly fireable. I don't want to coach in USA basketball.
I don't want to watch I've told you before, I'm
not going to watch. Why would you watch a team
full of people who don't want to embrace literally the
greatest thing that ever happened in the sport. And oh yeah,
by the way, it's not like she's taking fifty shots
a game. She just set a w NBA record for assists. Like,
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by nature, she wants to pass the basketball. So even
if she's your twelfth player and she attracts a ton
of attention the way in which she plays, yeah, she'll
take some she'll take some deep ones, but she'll also
pass the rock and would play better with better players. Look,
the contract's great. If I'm honest, I do think there's
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a little bit of fad to this thing. I think
the game has evolved some, but there's there's always going
to be some athletic limitations. I mean, you watch Angel
Rees play and I mean she she can't make a layup.
I mean she shoots a low percentage and she's shooting
on layups and and a lot of that is that
when you're shooting that far below the rim, it's a
harder shot. The easiest way to relate it is why
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a layup is a much more difficult shot for middle
schoolers than it is for college kids because of their explosiveness.
But get it while you can. And I think the
challenge the WNBA is to not overdo it in spending.
I think they quite obviously overdid it by having the
chartered flights this year. I think some of them have
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over done it with their facilities. But let's see if
they can make it work. I do think that live
sports are going to continue to be of value. I
think the growth of women's sports is impressive. But I
do wonder if you look at the top twenty WNBA games,
one one in terms of the ratings is from team
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It doesn't have the Indiana Fever involved, and that's not
a good thing. It's just not It doesn't show the
growth of the women's game. It shows the growth of
the the n fever. And I wonder how many will
turn it tune in to watch other teams play. This
is Rachel Nichols talking about Team USA basketball.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
You know he made the point publicly. I was a
FELA athlete for most of my career, and you know
I played on Nike sponsor teams. Now, Grant Hill did
not criticize Nike the way Jalen Brown has over and over.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Jo, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I don't think it's a direct comparison. Grant absolutely insisted
to me privately, and we go way way back. He
said Nike had nothing to do with this. Grant Hill
is known for being true to his words, so I'm
going to have to take him at his word. Does
that mean that there's not some discussion or some influence.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I don't know. I'm not in those rooms.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I also saw Jalen Brown yesterday and spoke to him
for a while, and he absolutely believes that that is
going to be an issue. He was at Summer Leak,
So you know, I I it's it's you know, you
have two guys with excellent character. I would say, Jalen
Brown and Grant Hill, who disagree on some different kind
of character.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
It's like right character and say whatever you is in
your heart character.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
But Jalen Brown is a high character guy. He is,
and so I respect what he believes. But I of
course also respect Randw.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I'm gonna give you a little bit of a different look here.
This is one of those things. Jalen Brown is a
very very outspoken political and social activist, and you do
have freedom of speech in this country, and I do
think he's an educated dude. I don't agree with all
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his opinions. I'm not sure I gree with half his opinions,
but I agree with his ability to say them. But
one of the things you learn in whether it's Corporate
America represent the country is I think there's a pretty
good chance that. First, I don't think he's a great fit.
I just don't in terms of a play style. But
I also think that while Nike directly isn't necessary, it
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isn't involved making Nike out to be the bad guy.
Is is flawed. I'd also tell you that I think
Nike as a micro of the macro issue. Right if
he is an outspoken critic of Nike, and he is
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an outspoken critic of the police, and he is an
outspoken critic of other things as a social activist, there
is a portion of USA basketball it's like, yeah, I
don't really want that, and I definitely don't want that
from a twelfth guy. And I definitely don't want that
from a twelfth guy who's coming off at NBA Finals
MVP and his expectations are to play when we don't
really have those expectations of that thing. Like they're telling
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you all you need to know. Jason Tatum's response, same thing.
A lot of guys want to be on this team, Like, look,
you're walking into a room. If you haven't been able
to tell by this thing. Lebron James as the biggest
fucking ego on earth. He has just a gigantic ego.
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Just like when he's running over dudes and doing the
I'm stronger thing, he's telling Kevin Durant to take one
more three before they bring in is a three? Like,
that's how Lebron rolls. Yes, he wants teammates to make shots.
He wants to be the one who creates the shots
for them. He wanted to create this kingdom where his
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friends can operate and become multimillionaires, and that's happened. That's
how he rolls. Okay, So Lebron James is gonna suck
up all the oxygen in the room. We don't need
Jalen Brown and his political and social activism. And I'm
not saying we, I'm saying them as a team. I
think that's all part of what's factored in here. And
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if you don't think that's reasonable, that's okay. You're not
dealing with reality. You have to be around people for
a month. The reason Isaiah Thomas wasn't invited to the
Dream Team, okay, was one he was a little past
his prime. Okay, But that didn't stop Larry Bird from
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getting invited. That didn't stop Magic johnsonrom getting invited. I understand.
But the bigger issue was nobody liked him. Nobody liked him.
You know, I can tell you from putting together a
team now, these last couple of scholarships that you ard, Okay,
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there are some talented players out there, but did they
upset the apple cart? You know there are guys more
talented than the players that I have. Like you play
play one on one, They're gonna win. If we play
and keep scoring, they'll probably end up more points. But
does that make me a better team? Just had this
conversation with my assistant coaches five hours ago for practice.
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We're talking about player that we really really like, talking
about do we take him? And then the thought is, okay,
in order to take him, he has to be so
good that I know I'm gonna win more games because
of it. To just be modestly better in terms of talent,
that makes sense to me. I have a team, I
have guys that's going to roll with. That's something to
get better. Here's Colin Cowhert talking about talking about Joel Embiid.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
My eyes did not tell me that Westbrook was an
MVP and Carmelo was an absolutely dominant player, or Derreck
Rose was going to run the league, and my eyes
are telling me the same for years. With Joel Embiid.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I'm not denying.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
He's got a Shack feel to him. But Shaq won
in the playoffs. Shack was dominant when it mantered I'm
watching this Olympic stuff, and Beid gets in the way
of the offense. Anthony Davis doesn't.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Hell.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Anthony Davis took two shots yesterday and was the second
most dominating player in the game to Steph Curry. He
is literally jumps off the television set. And here's the
thing I like about AD and we've this for years
in Los Angeles. He can be a star and dominate
a game, but he's also an incredibly complementary player. He
elevates Lebron. Lebron doesn't have to worry about defending the rim.
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He can he can be a complimentary player on this
Olympic team, or he can dominate moments. With Embiid, there
is no complimentary to his game. He forces you to
play his style, and so does Steph Curry. But I
get four titles, and so did Lebron, But I got
eight straight finals With Embiid. He forces you to play
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his game, but I don't get the payoff at the
end of the season. He gets in the way of
the Olympic offense. And I find sometimes watching Philadelphia. Yes,
he's productive, so was Zach Levine, and the Bulls can't
give him away. If you're talking about the greatest bigs
of all time. Russell titles, Kareem titles, Shack titles, Akeeme titles.
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Embiid can't win a second round playoff series in the
weaker confront.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Okay, we're doing We're doing three things at once here. Okay.
I've heard Colin say, and we talked about on the
radio show, that Anthony Davis is a better fit with
this team. Okay, and they need to play Anthony Davis
more and Joel Embiid less. And here's the problem with
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what Colin is doing. He's taking what he sees now
as the gospel my my belief is threefold. One, Joel
Embiid did not come in great shape. Two, Joel Embiid
has not played international basketball recently at all, and it's
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a different style of basketball. And three, this is the
most important thing. Okay, I don't give a shit of
what happens in the exhibition games. When you get to
the actual Olympic games, you're going to need Joel Embiid
to to There'll be a point in time in the
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tournament where you have to have a big guy because
they have a big guy, and you have to be
able to throw the ball inside and you have to
be a defend a true big guy. And Anthony Davis
doesn't want to do it. So I want you to
mark this tape. I sat on the radio show, and
I mean it. You guys don't know what you're looking
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at when you're preparing for a tournament, when you're preparing
for a season, when you're preparing for something, it's different
in real action, in real time than it is in preseason.
And then how it looks. We've seen this in the NFL,
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and people want to move off of guys all the time.
And we're making some grandiose statement about who Joel embiide
is and who he isn't and all this other bullshit
for the NBA playoffs, that's great, and we can talk
about that during the NBA season. We can talk about
it during an NBA season. It's hard to be a
big guy and a traditional big guy or even some
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of this non traditional big guy and succeed as the
best player in an NBA team. It's happened once once
since Tim Duncan started winning titles. Let's stop lose at
winning titles. And that was Jokis last year. That said, Okay,
that has nothing to do with USA basketball and people
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who are saying he shouldn't be starting. He's playing too much.
Anthony Davis, that's fine in exhibition games. Steve Kerr is
not a fucking idiot. Okay, grand Hill is not an idiot.
Go back and watch other Olympic games and we've gotten
worn out, okay, by traditional bigs that can score, guys
that can post up and just wear us out. You
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have two other big guys there, but they're more NBA
bigs that can defend the rim and can play out
in the perimeter. That's not what embiid is. A big
old body who no one will be able to just
go man handle inside as traditional five. That's what the
Fox said. Say.
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Speaker 2 (23:26):
Let's find out who what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Hey, Doug, I think you mentioned free speech when you're
talking about cramp Hill and Jaylen Brown. If I'm not mistaken,
I did. Free speech allows someone like Joy Reid, who
is a political commentator on MSNBC, to stand one hundred
feet from a person who was shot at three days
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ago or four days ago and say this.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
Here's the question that I have on that these two
men are both elderly. Donald Trump is an elderly man who,
for whatever reason, was given nine seconds to take a
iconic photo op during an active shooter situation.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Weird situation.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
We'll figure that out one day. But his survival of
that and bouncing right back and going right to his
convention is being conveyed in the media world as a
sign of string. This current president of the United States
is eighty one years old and has COVID. Should he
be fine in a couple of days. Doesn't that convey
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exactly the same thing?
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Exactly the same thing? Buddha Baker defensive back for the Cardinals.
He made the mistake of tweeting this asinine thing and
calling it that, and I guess he got a bunch
of responses from people because this is his last post.
Mad because I don't agree that COVID nineteen and getting
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shot by a bullet is the same thing. Crazy world
we live in, Beauty of America is You're entitled to
your own opinion. Keep it pushing.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I like that tweet, by the way, could not agree more.
I like that tweet, could not agree more?
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Like that?
Speaker 8 (25:17):
Sweet?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I like again, here's what we'll do. Okay, we don't
have to talk around it. Okay, there's no there's zero
chance on earth I would ever vote for Donald Trump. Okay.
I think he's I know too much, o hey, from
friends who worked for him, the people he surrounds himself with,
and some of the some of the moves. I just
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think there's too much at stake in terms of Supreme
Court all these other things for my personal taste. That said,
it is a horrendous thing it is one of it
is domestic terrorism that he was shot at, and we
just need to end this. And look, I will point
out that he is at. He and his MAGA people
are his response for this as anybody, not for the shooting, okay,
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but for the conspiracies, conspiracy, which the worst part about
what Joy Reid said was she acted like it was
a photo op. That's this conspiracy theory that it was.
It was some sort of hoax or fake shooting, like
a man died, a man, actually two people died, But
I don't care about the shooter. Like a man, a
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human being was shot at a political rally with his
wife there and I think his kids there as well,
Like do we think that's a hoax?
Speaker 7 (26:36):
Like?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Actually, how Joy has a job? Shut the actual fuck up. Now, Look,
some of this conspiracy theory stuff is because that's what
Donald Trump has fed, That's what he's fostered. He's never
admitted to losing the last election. But the point is
that a shouting Buddha Baker down when he's pointing out
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like how astonine it is to one compare the two
and then two to call it a hoax, Like you're
just a fucking idiot if it's if you want to
say it's some sort of hoax or it was a
photo op or whatever, like a human being died. I
don't know how the local police screwed this thing up
so badly. Actually I do, but I don't I don't
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know the actual Again, I don't think there's no inside job.
I just think that people are people make mistakes. I
don't know how a guy has a gun and then
he climbs up onto a metal building and you know,
by the time they realize where he is and who
he is, he's already fired off a couple of shots
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at the former president of the United States. But but again,
anyone either side who thinks there's some sort of grand
male conspiracy, like sometimes the truth is actually the truth
now in comparing the two, come on, man, what are
we doing? And I think I told you? Did I
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say it on this pod or did I just say
it to you personally about what I had been told
six months ago? And I believe it's playing out to
be true in regards to Biden that he's going to
be replaced.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Yeah, you told me that it was going to happen
at the convention.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, so they they again, this is what somebody has
told me. It is somebody who's at least in the
ranking in the Democratic Party told me that the whole
thing was the best way to replace him is to
do it at the convention and then it won't be
Kamala Harris because she can't. They don't think she can win.
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And that's why she wants them to hand over the
power now and him to pull out now, because if
once it gains the convention, now all bets are off
and there's a different candidate with a completely different look
and feel that what they think. Again, I was told
this in March, first week in March, and I didn't
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know anything about Biden being looking so over the hill
at so many times. Like at the time I was
told he's sharp as attack, it's just sometimes in live
action he's not as good whatever, and the tripping thing,
but it's gotten progressively worse. I don't think anyone can
say otherwise. But I was told that's when he's gonna
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be replaced.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Yeah, And for the record, I think the conventions in
four weeks and if you read the news today, it
looks like by the weekend he's stubbing down. So we'll
see what happens. Shaquille O'Neill is a surrogate father for
Angel Rees. I don't know if our listeners know this.
I didn't know that they both went to LSU. Shaquille
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O'Neal has taken her under his wing. So the first
part of this take is completely biased. You and I
talk about how the worst evaluator of Brownie James is
Lebron James. We all as fathers know that bias. Sure,
Shaquille o'neils. The first part of this opinion is all
about that bias, and then I have an issue with
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what he says after that.
Speaker 8 (30:13):
I know she remembers a lot of people saying, oh,
the way you play the LSU is not going to
translate it in this game, and I know she took
that to heart. So happy for her, so happy for
our team. And I'm not saying that because she went
to LSU. But I think she's definitely leading in the
Rookie of the Year race.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Okay, So I was going to bring that up with
Caitlyn Clark their neck and neck.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
You'd give the vote to Angel right now?
Speaker 8 (30:34):
I give the vote Angel. Caitlyn is a fabulous player.
The female Steph Curry. They have done a lot for
the game. But let's not forget all that. You know,
the people that made the game what it was like.
I will never forget a Cheryl Swoops, Candas Parker or
Lisa Lected, but you know, Caitlin and Angel because of
social media and I'll the media alsts there really brought
(30:55):
the game where it should have been ten years ago.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
So the problem I have is with his reasoning, like
he's biased. He knows Rangel Ruis very well, and that's
his choice. That's fine, whatever. I don't even care about
this argument to be to be honest, but that you
just can't diminish the impact that Caitlin Clark's made on
the game like that when he starts going to the
people that previously played in the in the league that
(31:19):
doesn't doesn't that pertains to nothing. She's she just got them, didn't.
Isn't each team gonna get like one hundred million dollars
next year or something like? She just got them in
this massive media deal. Like I don't know how you
could even diminish that.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, I mean, like look, Shack has Shack has never
been vaunted for his his analysis, right, I mean his
Shaq is on inside the NBA because Shaq's a great
personality and he's fun and he he went from a
guy who used to make video game noises to a
(31:59):
guy who who's who's become much more of a legitimate analyst.
But I mean, like, let's just be honest. Nobody sits
there and goes like, well, I can't wait to hear
what Shaquille O'Neil has to say breaking down a play, right,
So I don't know, Yeah, I agree with you that
that he's too close to this one and he's wrong.
(32:27):
I mean, Angel Reese, missus layups, gets her own layups.
That's how she gets a ton of offense rebounds. Is
she a good player? Sure? Has she grown the game? Absolutely?
And oh yeah, by the way, Like, I don't think
it can be under sold that she's an attractive young woman,
and I think, like, I think it's a good it's
it's really really honestly. Probably the least discussed part of
(32:49):
this is the fact that many of these women now
they have the like the runway shots whatever, the from
these women. But the fact that Forever League was seen
as you know, high percentage of lesbian women, and you know,
(33:11):
was it family, guys made fun of it in terms
of not being attractive whatever. And it is interesting that
I think at least a portion of the popularity, I
don't know how much, is that many of these women
are not a way attractive, but they actually make themselves
even more attractive with what they wear, Whereas at times
(33:32):
in the past it was like, hey, why don't you
just respect us stream basketball players And it's weird. It's like,
I don't know enough about the feminist movement to tell
you if I'm some sort of horrible human being for
saying this, but you did. There's just a limited fan
base there. If you sell it that way or if
(33:53):
you sell it this way, you package it this way.
I think there's a lot more guys that are in right,
Like the idea is to get people to watch it's
the game, and then they're like, oh, you know what,
it's kind of a good basketball game. I'll watch it.
And I actually think Angel Rees probably does that as
well or better than any other woman at that level.
(34:13):
Kelsey Plum is probably the only other one. Right Again,
I don't watch enough. I'm not on social enough in
terms of following the woman to see like, who's who's
pretty enough or whatever, glammed up enough. I know Cameron
Brink before she got hurt is another woman who sheds,
dresses well and you know, and people think she's beautiful whatever.
So I actually think there's a value to that, and
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that's grown the league and grown the game. But in
terms of Rookie of the Year, like, I don't think
it's close, especially considering her improvement as a player has
mirrored their improvement of the fever to where they couldn't
win a game the first month and now they're really competitive.
I think it's Kaitlyn Clark, and I'm not too close
to it to make that call.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
So you had you had a few things that annoy you,
But the one that I want you to get into
right now is tipping on everything.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah again, So this is I again. I'm glad you
pointing that out. I have some annoyances that I woke
up in the middle of the night and I sent
you a text. Okay, I am annoyed. There are three
things here. Okay, body, hair, you're over fifty. I'm creeping
up on it. I've never been you know, It's like
(35:26):
one of those things when you're a kid. You can't
wait till you get some body hair because you become
a man. And then when you get close to fifty,
you're like, Jesus, why do I have hair on my shoulders?
Oh my gosh, I have a hair in my ear,
like not the just the inner ear, like you'll have
one that grows on the top of your ear. That
part to it is crazy. I find the there's a
(35:50):
lot of things about getting older that I really really
don't like, but body hair are specifically hair in places
where it never grew before and not growing where it
used to go before. I think that's probably the worst
part about getting old. Here's another one. The tipping everywhere
(36:10):
is a big one. Like literally every time I run
my card and no one takes cash anymore, it asked
me for a tip, and then they all like it's
always whoever it is like flips around like hey, we're
you know, like we're not looking, but yeah, they know,
Like do I have to tip on everything? Like when
did we get to this place to where we tip's
good to tip on everything? And maybe the problem is
(36:32):
that we should have been tipping on everything for a
long time and we didn't. But we didn't forever, like
We never tipped at McDonald's, We never tipped at Taco Bell,
we never tipped at at you know, Mendo, Sino Farms
or Starbucks or whatever, until we got to this run
your card and a tip thing appears. Why do we
(36:53):
have to tip on everything? Like things are more expensive
than they've ever been, and now we got to tip
even more. And oh yeah, by the way, manishment is
higher than it's ever been, so people are getting paid
more than ever. I don't know. I just the tipping
on everything, and the fact that you get kind of
the puppy dog guys from people working behind the counter.
You're like, damn, no tip. I hope they don't. I
(37:14):
hope they I love it when they walk away, when
they don't want they walk away. I put the no
tip and I get it done really quick, and I
try to get the no tip, no receipt, Okay, move on,
all right, I'm done, and they come back and it's
already done. It's a rap.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
I went to my Dodger game the other night and
there are outdoor refrigerators, so it's all you're doing is
you're looking at a couple refrigerators of beer. You take
the can of beer and you give it to the
cashier and she opens with her with their fingers, she
opens the can. I guess they have to do that.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
They have to open. Don't they have to pour it
into a cup?
Speaker 6 (37:49):
No? No, they just give you the can back and
then they you go to pay, and there's an option
for tip. I'm the one who grabbed the beer out
of the refrigerator and I just simply handed it to
her who was sitting there, and she just opened it.
And then there was a tip option at the payment.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
So that's so ridiculous. And again always a tip option.
And then again I think it's the uncomfortable nature of
the you know, they turned around that screen and you're
looking right at them and you're just sitting there going no.
Sometimes it feels good to hit no, but oftentimes it
(38:26):
does not. I'll let you pick what's the most annoying
of the.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
I like the last one.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Tipping on everything.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
Yeah, I mean, I've become a generous tipper since COVID
on things that you traditionally tip for pizza guy, whatever,
But I'm not going to start tipping the person at
Subway from making my sandwich. I didn't tip them for
forty years I'm not going to start now.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I'm with you. That's a great point because I do
the same thing. I ordered Uber eats or whatever. I'm
always a good tipper. But yeah, sorry, like I ordered
food and you know all you did was go back
and you know, take it from point A to point B.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
For you.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
That's it for you.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 6 (39:21):
The Browns have a creepy dude for a quarterback. His guard,
Wyatt Teller, had this to say about his offseason.
Speaker 9 (39:29):
Just from the start, I think that Kerr Paul's have
been thrown at him. But no, I mean, I'll tell
you this right now. I've seen glimpses. I've seen flashes
of it of just absolute greatness.
Speaker 10 (39:40):
I know that putting a whole game together is really
freaking hard, especially at the helm of quarterback. And I
would love to say, you.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Know, he has glimpses of Patty.
Speaker 10 (39:48):
Mahomes, Patty Holmes. Patty Mahomes is one in a lifetime guy.
I mean, he's he's insane, and he has great outlets,
he has great receivers, he has a great defense.
Speaker 9 (39:58):
He has all these different things around him make him better.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
But he is the truth. I believe that Deshaun has that.
Speaker 10 (40:03):
I truly do.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
I've seen glimpses of it.
Speaker 10 (40:05):
You know, putting a whole game together, I mean it's tough,
putting a whole season together, putting a whole stretch together,
it's fucking hard man.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's really difficult. Again, if you're you're allowed to,
you're allowed to speak kindly of your quarterback without not
going over the top. What are we doing here? But
you know that one's like with those political pundits, you
(40:38):
know when when somebody flubs it and you're sitting there
going no, no, no. What the senator meant to say
was we can play for you, because we can. That's
it for the end of Modus podcast. She got the
radio show every day three to five Eastern noon to
two Pacific on Fox Sports Trade, the iHeartRadio app, wherever
you download this podcast. I'm Doug Gottlie
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
What Up Doug Gottlieb Show, and the Bonus Fox Sports Radio.
iHeartRadio app. You know, we talked some Olympics in the
radio show. We talked some Joel Embiid. I'll talk some
Joel Embiid here upcoming as well. But I want to
start with relating to Saquon Barkley. I was thinking about this,
(00:33):
uh Jay stew yesterday, and I thought it was I
thought it was super pertinent right in that I can
actually relate to Saquon Barkley, can relate to Saquon Barkley
from from this standpoint. I remember when I was at ESPN.
(00:53):
ESPN made a living out of low balling people with
their first offer and again without kind of giving away
figures or whatever. So what happened with Sakuon Barkley was
last year, the contract didn't get to the level that
he wanted to get to. And remember they had the
(01:16):
running back call, and then they ended up putting him
on a one year contract and giving him a little
bit more money and keep him a little happier. And
he made I think eleven million dollars last year, and
then he became They allowed him to become sort of
a free agent this year and shop himself and Joel
Shane had he's their general manager. He had the phone
(01:36):
call with him which we heard on Hard Knocks where
he's like, hey, man, we want you to be here.
Circle back to circle back to us. Now. One of
the issues with Joel Shane with that phone conversation was
there was a lot of past tense. You've been great
for us, you know, it's been awesome to have you here.
There was a little bit of either defeatist attitude or
(01:58):
just too much past tense in terms of those statements.
But I think the biggest flaw is we'll do this
thing in negotiation where we start low and you start high,
and we meet in the middle. We start low and
you start high, we meet in the middle. And you know,
(02:22):
I I've actually gone to there's a dealership in It's
a they basically all of Wisconsin. Is Bergstrom has all
these dealers and they have this upfront pricing thing, and
I just kind of think that's the way in which
we should do things, and had the New York Giants
(02:43):
done that, I think I think they might still have
Saquon Barkley, and I think Saquon Barkley might not have
been in his feelings as much as he's in his feelings,
because the truth is, at the end of the day,
he took basically the same deal to go to the
arch rival of the Giants. Right we talked about this yesterday, like, however,
(03:04):
much more money, and right now it's like a million dollars,
potentially a million dollars, And again that sounds like a
lot and it is a lot of million dollars to
you and me. Is a crazy amount of money, a
crap ton of money. But to say Kwan Barkley, when
you're talking about a three year deal and you know
he'll have been in a league. When if you've been
in a league for ten years and you've made one
hundred and twenty million dollars or so, or one hundred
million dollars and it's one million dollars, he has one
(03:26):
percent of one hundred million dollars. Like to give away
not just the fact that you've been a Giant for
life and you're a beloved member of the Giants, but
let's also be honest, like it's a good way to
work in TV is to be a member of the
New York Giants. You're in New York City, You're mister Giant,
beloved member. So that money like gives away the sweat
(03:49):
equity that he had with the Giants. With the Giants
fan base, you can go to a lot of teams.
You go to the Eagles. What kind of dead dea?
What kind of deaddea? Look? Year one, there'll be a
lot of lush, a love, a lot of praise, a
lot of people in the stands like, man, the Giants,
did you ramant? By year two? Like now he's an ego?
I hate him. That works, And by the way, that's
(04:11):
how it works in business as well. And I can
tell you that I didn't leave ESPN out of animosity,
but it was really hard to process. What they do there,
or they used to do, was six months in advance.
They tell you, hey, man, we want to reup you,
and oftentimes that's followed by some sort of low ball offer,
(04:33):
and it's not until usually three months before your contract
is up, that you have a window where you can
start to negotiate with other people. So for those three
months you sit there and go like these people don't
even value me, don't even want me here. I know
I can get more than that in the open market.
So the truth is, like when I left ESPN for CBS,
(04:57):
it was more money because of how the taxes worked,
and there's a way in which you can do it
where it technically was more money ten percent more, but
in terms of the actual dollar figures, it was the same.
It was a matching figure. And the reason, at least
(05:18):
one of the reasons I didn't take it was because
you just walk around for three months ago and like,
I work my ass off, I have elevated myself and
this and this. I know there's a bigger pot out
there with substantially more money, and they have to be
they have to be leveraged in order to get there.
(05:40):
Had they simply offered me the offer that they finished
with at the start, had they done the upfront pricing,
I probably taken it because I don't need the added stress.
I didn't need the questions from home. I didn't need
the wondering of where we're going to move. I didn't
need all of that stuff. So I think that Saquon's
(06:00):
wrong for undervaluing the sweat equity that he turned in
and oh yeah, by the way, and look, I think
I processed it pretty well, but I would be lying
of saying didn't play a factor. I also don't think
he processed it well that that was simply negotiation. On
(06:22):
the other hand, the giants said, just at the upfront pricing,
none of this would have happened to begin with.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 2 (06:38):
Let's let's get to what the Fox says.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
And now.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
This is Dan Patrick talking about Caitlin Clark.
Speaker 3 (06:48):
They just signed this new deal. No great timing, but
that's the Caitlin Clark effect. She had a large say
in this TV deal that you now, all of a sudden,
you know, players might get their salaries doubled. You may
tune into the WNBA just to see Caitlyn Clark. Hopefully
(07:09):
you'll see the other players and you'll see how far
the game has progressed evolved, and that there are great
athletes there. You know, Asia Wilson has been playing great
basketball for quite some time. It's just now people are
starting to recognize her Caitlin brought the spotlight, but the
(07:29):
spotlight's big enough for a lot of other players, and
that's where you benefit from it. You know, Tiger came there,
prize money all of a sudden, you know, doubled. Now
everybody benefited from Tiger Woods, you know, Charter planes in
the WNBA. But you have to embrace it, and you
have to acknowledge what she's done. I mean, she she
(07:53):
should get MVP votes from this standpoint. Is she great? Yes?
Is she the most value player in the league? And
the answer is yes.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Uh yeah. I mean obviously in terms of popularity, she's
the most valuable. She's not the best player in the league,
and she won't be the MVP. I think there's there's
a couple of different aspects of it. Dan has been
all over this rightly, So you know, sometimes we use
this to contradict what Dan says. This is not one
of those times. Uh, this is one of those times
where we go, hey, Dan's been on this, We're in
(08:24):
agreeance with him. It's it's a joke that she's not
on USA Basketball. I mean, honestly, to me, it's a
borderline fireball offense. What I mean, honestly, Cheryl what Cheryl reeve.
The way in which she's acted, She has been a
(08:46):
petulant child in the way in which she's acted. I mean, honestly, like,
one of the things I don't think Mike Krzyzewski is
the greatest exno coach in the history of the sport.
But I think think one of the things that coach
k did was he was he was almost regal, you know,
(09:07):
the best of the best, romost regal. Even Bob Knight
when he was the head coach of the nineteen eighty
four Olympic team. Like Bob Knight understood what it meant
to coach the US Olympic team. Now, he didn't keep
some of the all time greats. John Stockton got cut,
Mark Price got cut, Charles Barkley got cut. Right, So
he had his own ego issues in terms of trying
(09:29):
to filter out a team. This has happened before. But
the way in which I mean this is so obvious
how good it is for women's basketball to have her involved,
and frankly, like, if you look at her progression, she's
gotten more and more comfortable. She's played better and better basketball,
playing against the higher level of competition. She's adjusted, and
(09:50):
when this decision was made, it was early on when
they were struggling, there was somebody who I mean like,
look quite obviously Shoe Reeve does not value wait potential. Well,
I know her team, or at least last time I checked,
and I don't check the standings, it was the top
of the standings of the WNBA. So it's not that
she's not a very good coach. She is, but she
(10:11):
has she represents our country, she represents all of women's basketball,
and she's she's been a joke through this thing. How
how uh how turned off she's been by the attention
that Caitlyn Clark has gotten. And and that's really uh.
I understand that players, some of these players aren't smart
(10:34):
enough to figure out how important she is, but for
a coach to have coached in the WNBA as long
as she has and to see the change in the
crowds and to push back against it like it's like
it's zubaz pants, some sort of fad that you can't
wait to get rid of. It's it's been laughable and
(10:55):
honestly fireable. I don't want to coach in USA basketball.
I don't want to watch I've told you before, I'm
not going to watch. Why would you watch a team
full of people who don't want to embrace literally the
greatest thing that ever happened in the sport. And oh yeah,
by the way, it's not like she's taking fifty shots
a game. She just set a w NBA record for assists. Like,
(11:19):
by nature, she wants to pass the basketball. So even
if she's your twelfth player and she attracts a ton
of attention the way in which she plays, yeah, she'll
take some she'll take some deep ones, but she'll also
pass the rock and would play better with better players. Look,
the contract's great. If I'm honest, I do think there's
(11:41):
a little bit of fad to this thing. I think
the game has evolved some, but there's there's always going
to be some athletic limitations. I mean, you watch Angel
Rees play and I mean she she can't make a layup.
I mean she shoots a low percentage and she's shooting
on layups and and a lot of that is that
when you're shooting that far below the rim, it's a
harder shot. The easiest way to relate it is why
(12:04):
a layup is a much more difficult shot for middle
schoolers than it is for college kids because of their explosiveness.
But get it while you can. And I think the
challenge the WNBA is to not overdo it in spending.
I think they quite obviously overdid it by having the
chartered flights this year. I think some of them have
(12:26):
over done it with their facilities. But let's see if
they can make it work. I do think that live
sports are going to continue to be of value. I
think the growth of women's sports is impressive. But I
do wonder if you look at the top twenty WNBA games,
one one in terms of the ratings is from team
(12:49):
It doesn't have the Indiana Fever involved, and that's not
a good thing. It's just not It doesn't show the
growth of the women's game. It shows the growth of
the the n fever. And I wonder how many will
turn it tune in to watch other teams play. This
is Rachel Nichols talking about Team USA basketball.
Speaker 4 (13:09):
You know he made the point publicly. I was a
FELA athlete for most of my career, and you know
I played on Nike sponsor teams. Now, Grant Hill did
not criticize Nike the way Jalen Brown has over and over.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Jo, I don't think.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I don't think it's a direct comparison. Grant absolutely insisted
to me privately, and we go way way back. He
said Nike had nothing to do with this. Grant Hill
is known for being true to his words, so I'm
going to have to take him at his word. Does
that mean that there's not some discussion or some influence.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
I don't know. I'm not in those rooms.
Speaker 4 (13:41):
I also saw Jalen Brown yesterday and spoke to him
for a while, and he absolutely believes that that is
going to be an issue. He was at Summer Leak,
So you know, I I it's it's you know, you
have two guys with excellent character. I would say, Jalen
Brown and Grant Hill, who disagree on some different kind
of character.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
It's like right character and say whatever you is in
your heart character.
Speaker 4 (14:04):
But Jalen Brown is a high character guy. He is,
and so I respect what he believes. But I of
course also respect Randw.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
I'm gonna give you a little bit of a different look here.
This is one of those things. Jalen Brown is a
very very outspoken political and social activist, and you do
have freedom of speech in this country, and I do
think he's an educated dude. I don't agree with all
(14:33):
his opinions. I'm not sure I gree with half his opinions,
but I agree with his ability to say them. But
one of the things you learn in whether it's Corporate
America represent the country is I think there's a pretty
good chance that. First, I don't think he's a great fit.
I just don't in terms of a play style. But
I also think that while Nike directly isn't necessary, it
(14:59):
isn't involved making Nike out to be the bad guy.
Is is flawed. I'd also tell you that I think
Nike as a micro of the macro issue. Right if
he is an outspoken critic of Nike, and he is
(15:19):
an outspoken critic of the police, and he is an
outspoken critic of other things as a social activist, there
is a portion of USA basketball it's like, yeah, I
don't really want that, and I definitely don't want that
from a twelfth guy. And I definitely don't want that
from a twelfth guy who's coming off at NBA Finals
MVP and his expectations are to play when we don't
really have those expectations of that thing. Like they're telling
(15:44):
you all you need to know. Jason Tatum's response, same thing.
A lot of guys want to be on this team, Like, look,
you're walking into a room. If you haven't been able
to tell by this thing. Lebron James as the biggest
fucking ego on earth. He has just a gigantic ego.
(16:08):
Just like when he's running over dudes and doing the
I'm stronger thing, he's telling Kevin Durant to take one
more three before they bring in is a three? Like,
that's how Lebron rolls. Yes, he wants teammates to make shots.
He wants to be the one who creates the shots
for them. He wanted to create this kingdom where his
(16:28):
friends can operate and become multimillionaires, and that's happened. That's
how he rolls. Okay, So Lebron James is gonna suck
up all the oxygen in the room. We don't need
Jalen Brown and his political and social activism. And I'm
not saying we, I'm saying them as a team. I
think that's all part of what's factored in here. And
(16:48):
if you don't think that's reasonable, that's okay. You're not
dealing with reality. You have to be around people for
a month. The reason Isaiah Thomas wasn't invited to the
Dream Team, okay, was one he was a little past
his prime. Okay, But that didn't stop Larry Bird from
(17:09):
getting invited. That didn't stop Magic johnsonrom getting invited. I understand.
But the bigger issue was nobody liked him. Nobody liked him.
You know, I can tell you from putting together a
team now, these last couple of scholarships that you ard, Okay,
(17:33):
there are some talented players out there, but did they
upset the apple cart? You know there are guys more
talented than the players that I have. Like you play
play one on one, They're gonna win. If we play
and keep scoring, they'll probably end up more points. But
does that make me a better team? Just had this
conversation with my assistant coaches five hours ago for practice.
(17:58):
We're talking about player that we really really like, talking
about do we take him? And then the thought is, okay,
in order to take him, he has to be so
good that I know I'm gonna win more games because
of it. To just be modestly better in terms of talent,
that makes sense to me. I have a team, I
have guys that's going to roll with. That's something to
get better. Here's Colin Cowhert talking about talking about Joel Embiid.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
My eyes did not tell me that Westbrook was an
MVP and Carmelo was an absolutely dominant player, or Derreck
Rose was going to run the league, and my eyes
are telling me the same for years. With Joel Embiid.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I'm not denying.
Speaker 5 (18:37):
He's got a Shack feel to him. But Shaq won
in the playoffs. Shack was dominant when it mantered I'm
watching this Olympic stuff, and Beid gets in the way
of the offense. Anthony Davis doesn't.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Hell.
Speaker 5 (18:49):
Anthony Davis took two shots yesterday and was the second
most dominating player in the game to Steph Curry. He
is literally jumps off the television set. And here's the
thing I like about AD and we've this for years
in Los Angeles. He can be a star and dominate
a game, but he's also an incredibly complementary player. He
elevates Lebron. Lebron doesn't have to worry about defending the rim.
(19:11):
He can he can be a complimentary player on this
Olympic team, or he can dominate moments. With Embiid, there
is no complimentary to his game. He forces you to
play his style, and so does Steph Curry. But I
get four titles, and so did Lebron, But I got
eight straight finals With Embiid. He forces you to play
(19:34):
his game, but I don't get the payoff at the
end of the season. He gets in the way of
the Olympic offense. And I find sometimes watching Philadelphia. Yes,
he's productive, so was Zach Levine, and the Bulls can't
give him away. If you're talking about the greatest bigs
of all time. Russell titles, Kareem titles, Shack titles, Akeeme titles.
(19:56):
Embiid can't win a second round playoff series in the
weaker confront.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Okay, we're doing We're doing three things at once here. Okay.
I've heard Colin say, and we talked about on the
radio show, that Anthony Davis is a better fit with
this team. Okay, and they need to play Anthony Davis
more and Joel Embiid less. And here's the problem with
(20:22):
what Colin is doing. He's taking what he sees now
as the gospel my my belief is threefold. One, Joel
Embiid did not come in great shape. Two, Joel Embiid
has not played international basketball recently at all, and it's
(20:43):
a different style of basketball. And three, this is the
most important thing. Okay, I don't give a shit of
what happens in the exhibition games. When you get to
the actual Olympic games, you're going to need Joel Embiid
to to There'll be a point in time in the
(21:04):
tournament where you have to have a big guy because
they have a big guy, and you have to be
able to throw the ball inside and you have to
be a defend a true big guy. And Anthony Davis
doesn't want to do it. So I want you to
mark this tape. I sat on the radio show, and
I mean it. You guys don't know what you're looking
(21:25):
at when you're preparing for a tournament, when you're preparing
for a season, when you're preparing for something, it's different
in real action, in real time than it is in preseason.
And then how it looks. We've seen this in the NFL,
(21:45):
and people want to move off of guys all the time.
And we're making some grandiose statement about who Joel embiide
is and who he isn't and all this other bullshit
for the NBA playoffs, that's great, and we can talk
about that during the NBA season. We can talk about
it during an NBA season. It's hard to be a
big guy and a traditional big guy or even some
(22:08):
of this non traditional big guy and succeed as the
best player in an NBA team. It's happened once once
since Tim Duncan started winning titles. Let's stop lose at
winning titles. And that was Jokis last year. That said, Okay,
that has nothing to do with USA basketball and people
(22:29):
who are saying he shouldn't be starting. He's playing too much.
Anthony Davis, that's fine in exhibition games. Steve Kerr is
not a fucking idiot. Okay, grand Hill is not an idiot.
Go back and watch other Olympic games and we've gotten
worn out, okay, by traditional bigs that can score, guys
that can post up and just wear us out. You
(22:52):
have two other big guys there, but they're more NBA
bigs that can defend the rim and can play out
in the perimeter. That's not what embiid is. A big
old body who no one will be able to just
go man handle inside as traditional five. That's what the
Fox said. Say.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Let's find out who what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (23:39):
Hey, Doug, I think you mentioned free speech when you're
talking about cramp Hill and Jaylen Brown. If I'm not mistaken,
I did. Free speech allows someone like Joy Reid, who
is a political commentator on MSNBC, to stand one hundred
feet from a person who was shot at three days
(24:00):
ago or four days ago and say this.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
Here's the question that I have on that these two
men are both elderly. Donald Trump is an elderly man who,
for whatever reason, was given nine seconds to take a
iconic photo op during an active shooter situation.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Weird situation.
Speaker 7 (24:18):
We'll figure that out one day. But his survival of
that and bouncing right back and going right to his
convention is being conveyed in the media world as a
sign of string. This current president of the United States
is eighty one years old and has COVID. Should he
be fine in a couple of days. Doesn't that convey
(24:39):
exactly the same thing?
Speaker 6 (24:42):
Exactly the same thing? Buddha Baker defensive back for the Cardinals.
He made the mistake of tweeting this asinine thing and
calling it that, and I guess he got a bunch
of responses from people because this is his last post.
Mad because I don't agree that COVID nineteen and getting
(25:03):
shot by a bullet is the same thing. Crazy world
we live in, Beauty of America is You're entitled to
your own opinion. Keep it pushing.
Speaker 2 (25:12):
I like that tweet, by the way, could not agree more.
I like that tweet, could not agree more?
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Like that?
Speaker 8 (25:17):
Sweet?
Speaker 2 (25:18):
I like again, here's what we'll do. Okay, we don't
have to talk around it. Okay, there's no there's zero
chance on earth I would ever vote for Donald Trump. Okay.
I think he's I know too much, o hey, from
friends who worked for him, the people he surrounds himself with,
and some of the some of the moves. I just
(25:39):
think there's too much at stake in terms of Supreme
Court all these other things for my personal taste. That said,
it is a horrendous thing it is one of it
is domestic terrorism that he was shot at, and we
just need to end this. And look, I will point
out that he is at. He and his MAGA people
are his response for this as anybody, not for the shooting, okay,
(26:04):
but for the conspiracies, conspiracy, which the worst part about
what Joy Reid said was she acted like it was
a photo op. That's this conspiracy theory that it was.
It was some sort of hoax or fake shooting, like
a man died, a man, actually two people died, But
I don't care about the shooter. Like a man, a
(26:26):
human being was shot at a political rally with his
wife there and I think his kids there as well,
Like do we think that's a hoax?
Speaker 7 (26:36):
Like?
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Actually, how Joy has a job? Shut the actual fuck up. Now, Look,
some of this conspiracy theory stuff is because that's what
Donald Trump has fed, That's what he's fostered. He's never
admitted to losing the last election. But the point is
that a shouting Buddha Baker down when he's pointing out
(26:58):
like how astonine it is to one compare the two
and then two to call it a hoax, Like you're
just a fucking idiot if it's if you want to
say it's some sort of hoax or it was a
photo op or whatever, like a human being died. I
don't know how the local police screwed this thing up
so badly. Actually I do, but I don't I don't
(27:20):
know the actual Again, I don't think there's no inside job.
I just think that people are people make mistakes. I
don't know how a guy has a gun and then
he climbs up onto a metal building and you know,
by the time they realize where he is and who
he is, he's already fired off a couple of shots
(27:41):
at the former president of the United States. But but again,
anyone either side who thinks there's some sort of grand
male conspiracy, like sometimes the truth is actually the truth
now in comparing the two, come on, man, what are
we doing? And I think I told you? Did I
(28:05):
say it on this pod or did I just say
it to you personally about what I had been told
six months ago? And I believe it's playing out to
be true in regards to Biden that he's going to
be replaced.
Speaker 6 (28:17):
Yeah, you told me that it was going to happen
at the convention.
Speaker 2 (28:20):
Yeah, so they they again, this is what somebody has
told me. It is somebody who's at least in the
ranking in the Democratic Party told me that the whole
thing was the best way to replace him is to
do it at the convention and then it won't be
Kamala Harris because she can't. They don't think she can win.
(28:42):
And that's why she wants them to hand over the
power now and him to pull out now, because if
once it gains the convention, now all bets are off
and there's a different candidate with a completely different look
and feel that what they think. Again, I was told
this in March, first week in March, and I didn't
(29:04):
know anything about Biden being looking so over the hill
at so many times. Like at the time I was
told he's sharp as attack, it's just sometimes in live
action he's not as good whatever, and the tripping thing,
but it's gotten progressively worse. I don't think anyone can
say otherwise. But I was told that's when he's gonna
(29:26):
be replaced.
Speaker 6 (29:27):
Yeah, And for the record, I think the conventions in
four weeks and if you read the news today, it
looks like by the weekend he's stubbing down. So we'll
see what happens. Shaquille O'Neill is a surrogate father for
Angel Rees. I don't know if our listeners know this.
I didn't know that they both went to LSU. Shaquille
(29:49):
O'Neal has taken her under his wing. So the first
part of this take is completely biased. You and I
talk about how the worst evaluator of Brownie James is
Lebron James. We all as fathers know that bias. Sure,
Shaquille o'neils. The first part of this opinion is all
about that bias, and then I have an issue with
(30:11):
what he says after that.
Speaker 8 (30:13):
I know she remembers a lot of people saying, oh,
the way you play the LSU is not going to
translate it in this game, and I know she took
that to heart. So happy for her, so happy for
our team. And I'm not saying that because she went
to LSU. But I think she's definitely leading in the
Rookie of the Year race.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Okay, So I was going to bring that up with
Caitlyn Clark their neck and neck.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
You'd give the vote to Angel right now?
Speaker 8 (30:34):
I give the vote Angel. Caitlyn is a fabulous player.
The female Steph Curry. They have done a lot for
the game. But let's not forget all that. You know,
the people that made the game what it was like.
I will never forget a Cheryl Swoops, Candas Parker or
Lisa Lected, but you know, Caitlin and Angel because of
social media and I'll the media alsts there really brought
(30:55):
the game where it should have been ten years ago.
Speaker 6 (30:58):
So the problem I have is with his reasoning, like
he's biased. He knows Rangel Ruis very well, and that's
his choice. That's fine, whatever. I don't even care about
this argument to be to be honest, but that you
just can't diminish the impact that Caitlin Clark's made on
the game like that when he starts going to the
people that previously played in the in the league that
(31:19):
doesn't doesn't that pertains to nothing. She's she just got them, didn't.
Isn't each team gonna get like one hundred million dollars
next year or something like? She just got them in
this massive media deal. Like I don't know how you
could even diminish that.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, I mean, like look, Shack has Shack has never
been vaunted for his his analysis, right, I mean his
Shaq is on inside the NBA because Shaq's a great
personality and he's fun and he he went from a
guy who used to make video game noises to a
(31:59):
guy who who's who's become much more of a legitimate analyst.
But I mean, like, let's just be honest. Nobody sits
there and goes like, well, I can't wait to hear
what Shaquille O'Neil has to say breaking down a play, right,
So I don't know, Yeah, I agree with you that
that he's too close to this one and he's wrong.
(32:27):
I mean, Angel Reese, missus layups, gets her own layups.
That's how she gets a ton of offense rebounds. Is
she a good player? Sure? Has she grown the game? Absolutely?
And oh yeah, by the way, Like, I don't think
it can be under sold that she's an attractive young woman,
and I think, like, I think it's a good it's
it's really really honestly. Probably the least discussed part of
(32:49):
this is the fact that many of these women now
they have the like the runway shots whatever, the from
these women. But the fact that Forever League was seen
as you know, high percentage of lesbian women, and you know,
(33:11):
was it family, guys made fun of it in terms
of not being attractive whatever. And it is interesting that
I think at least a portion of the popularity, I
don't know how much, is that many of these women
are not a way attractive, but they actually make themselves
even more attractive with what they wear, Whereas at times
(33:32):
in the past it was like, hey, why don't you
just respect us stream basketball players And it's weird. It's like,
I don't know enough about the feminist movement to tell
you if I'm some sort of horrible human being for
saying this, but you did. There's just a limited fan
base there. If you sell it that way or if
(33:53):
you sell it this way, you package it this way.
I think there's a lot more guys that are in right,
Like the idea is to get people to watch it's
the game, and then they're like, oh, you know what,
it's kind of a good basketball game. I'll watch it.
And I actually think Angel Rees probably does that as
well or better than any other woman at that level.
(34:13):
Kelsey Plum is probably the only other one. Right Again,
I don't watch enough. I'm not on social enough in
terms of following the woman to see like, who's who's
pretty enough or whatever, glammed up enough. I know Cameron
Brink before she got hurt is another woman who sheds,
dresses well and you know, and people think she's beautiful whatever.
So I actually think there's a value to that, and
(34:36):
that's grown the league and grown the game. But in
terms of Rookie of the Year, like, I don't think
it's close, especially considering her improvement as a player has
mirrored their improvement of the fever to where they couldn't
win a game the first month and now they're really competitive.
I think it's Kaitlyn Clark, and I'm not too close
to it to make that call.
Speaker 6 (34:57):
So you had you had a few things that annoy you,
But the one that I want you to get into
right now is tipping on everything.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
Yeah again, So this is I again. I'm glad you
pointing that out. I have some annoyances that I woke
up in the middle of the night and I sent
you a text. Okay, I am annoyed. There are three
things here. Okay, body, hair, you're over fifty. I'm creeping
up on it. I've never been you know, It's like
(35:26):
one of those things when you're a kid. You can't
wait till you get some body hair because you become
a man. And then when you get close to fifty,
you're like, Jesus, why do I have hair on my shoulders?
Oh my gosh, I have a hair in my ear,
like not the just the inner ear, like you'll have
one that grows on the top of your ear. That
part to it is crazy. I find the there's a
(35:50):
lot of things about getting older that I really really
don't like, but body hair are specifically hair in places
where it never grew before and not growing where it
used to go before. I think that's probably the worst
part about getting old. Here's another one. The tipping everywhere
(36:10):
is a big one. Like literally every time I run
my card and no one takes cash anymore, it asked
me for a tip, and then they all like it's
always whoever it is like flips around like hey, we're
you know, like we're not looking, but yeah, they know,
Like do I have to tip on everything? Like when
did we get to this place to where we tip's
good to tip on everything? And maybe the problem is
(36:32):
that we should have been tipping on everything for a
long time and we didn't. But we didn't forever, like
We never tipped at McDonald's, We never tipped at Taco Bell,
we never tipped at at you know, Mendo, Sino Farms
or Starbucks or whatever, until we got to this run
your card and a tip thing appears. Why do we
(36:53):
have to tip on everything? Like things are more expensive
than they've ever been, and now we got to tip
even more. And oh yeah, by the way, manishment is
higher than it's ever been, so people are getting paid
more than ever. I don't know. I just the tipping
on everything, and the fact that you get kind of
the puppy dog guys from people working behind the counter.
You're like, damn, no tip. I hope they don't. I
(37:14):
hope they I love it when they walk away, when
they don't want they walk away. I put the no
tip and I get it done really quick, and I
try to get the no tip, no receipt, Okay, move on,
all right, I'm done, and they come back and it's
already done. It's a rap.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
I went to my Dodger game the other night and
there are outdoor refrigerators, so it's all you're doing is
you're looking at a couple refrigerators of beer. You take
the can of beer and you give it to the
cashier and she opens with her with their fingers, she
opens the can. I guess they have to do that.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
They have to open. Don't they have to pour it
into a cup?
Speaker 6 (37:49):
No? No, they just give you the can back and
then they you go to pay, and there's an option
for tip. I'm the one who grabbed the beer out
of the refrigerator and I just simply handed it to
her who was sitting there, and she just opened it.
And then there was a tip option at the payment.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
So that's so ridiculous. And again always a tip option.
And then again I think it's the uncomfortable nature of
the you know, they turned around that screen and you're
looking right at them and you're just sitting there going no.
Sometimes it feels good to hit no, but oftentimes it
(38:26):
does not. I'll let you pick what's the most annoying
of the.
Speaker 6 (38:31):
I like the last one.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
Tipping on everything.
Speaker 6 (38:34):
Yeah, I mean, I've become a generous tipper since COVID
on things that you traditionally tip for pizza guy, whatever,
But I'm not going to start tipping the person at
Subway from making my sandwich. I didn't tip them for
forty years I'm not going to start now.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
I'm with you. That's a great point because I do
the same thing. I ordered Uber eats or whatever. I'm
always a good tipper. But yeah, sorry, like I ordered
food and you know all you did was go back
and you know, take it from point A to point B.
Speaker 4 (39:06):
For you.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
That's it for you.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Why are we doing this because we can?
Speaker 6 (39:21):
The Browns have a creepy dude for a quarterback. His guard,
Wyatt Teller, had this to say about his offseason.
Speaker 9 (39:29):
Just from the start, I think that Kerr Paul's have
been thrown at him. But no, I mean, I'll tell
you this right now. I've seen glimpses. I've seen flashes
of it of just absolute greatness.
Speaker 10 (39:40):
I know that putting a whole game together is really
freaking hard, especially at the helm of quarterback. And I
would love to say, you.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Know, he has glimpses of Patty.
Speaker 10 (39:48):
Mahomes, Patty Holmes. Patty Mahomes is one in a lifetime guy.
I mean, he's he's insane, and he has great outlets,
he has great receivers, he has a great defense.
Speaker 9 (39:58):
He has all these different things around him make him better.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
But he is the truth. I believe that Deshaun has that.
Speaker 10 (40:03):
I truly do.
Speaker 1 (40:04):
I've seen glimpses of it.
Speaker 10 (40:05):
You know, putting a whole game together, I mean it's tough,
putting a whole season together, putting a whole stretch together,
it's fucking hard man.
Speaker 2 (40:16):
Yeah, yeah, it's really difficult. Again, if you're you're allowed to,
you're allowed to speak kindly of your quarterback without not
going over the top. What are we doing here? But
you know that one's like with those political pundits, you
(40:38):
know when when somebody flubs it and you're sitting there
going no, no, no. What the senator meant to say
was we can play for you, because we can. That's
it for the end of Modus podcast. She got the
radio show every day three to five Eastern noon to
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