January 15, 2025 • 25 mins
Doug riffs on the negativity surrounding losing quarterbacks in the playoffs this year. Doug reacts to Dan Patrick's take on Tom Brady. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Saquon Barkley makes today's edition of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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uncomfortable questions. We got a great bonus pod for you.
I think you'll love it. I saw this from Nick
Sayani as he defended AJ Brown, saying he was okay
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with the wide receiver reading a book on the sideline.
He was on a Philadelphia radio station and he said,
some guys praying between, some guys meditate in between series.
AJ reads in between whatever. These guys need to put
their mind in a place where they can be at
play with great detail and great effort. I fully encourage
them to do that. Anyway, he says, we don't do
(00:56):
any research. We jumped to conclusions. Oh, he must be disgruntled.
This is lazy to me. Everyone needs to figure out
why he's doing it before they jumped to judgment on
the man. That's that's a great answer. Here's the problem.
AJ Brown was asked after the game about it, and
he didn't want to speak to the media. Look, Nick
(01:16):
Siriani's obnoxious and what he's doing here is a classic
technique of defending his player, and instead of defending his
player with actual facts, he's lashing out at media members,
calling them lazy, when the truth is no, they had
done their job. They asked aj Brown, and he offered
no answers, only said he wasn't talking to them, but
(01:36):
it wasn't about the media. But somehow this technique works
for people where you make them, you make the media
into the into the bad guy, and it works work
for President Trump. When the reality is here that the
media asked them about it, he refused answer, I don't
fall for Nick Sirian's bullshit, but apparently some people will.
(02:01):
Some people will. I mean, there's no other way to
take it other than he's disgruntled. If he doesn't want
to talk to the media and he said it wasn't
about the media, how else are we supposed to take it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
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Speaker 2 (02:20):
App let Let's Get to the Fox, says and now
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Sports One. Here's Dan Patrick talk about Tom Brady's broadcasting
game with the Raiders head coaching candidate Ben Johnson on
the sidelines.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
How does that go with Tom Brady's game this weekend?
He's got that game, He's got the Lions game with
the Commanders. What happens if they show Ben Johnson on
the sideline? Is Tom Brady, minority owner of the Raiders,
allowed to talk about Ben Johnson? Does he have any
inside info? Which I would believe he would. I like
(03:03):
how the NFL makes it seem like this isn't a
conflict of interest. Seaton brought up something this morning. He said,
imagine if Jerry Jones was going to be the analyst
for a game, he'd love that, and he's looking for
a head coach. Is there a conflict of interest there?
You know, the NFL is bending over backwards to help Tom.
(03:27):
It feels like or looking the other way. Conflict of interest,
that is what it is. And then you go back
in the way back machine to how they went after
Tom like you know, they were going after him in
a big time, big way, like they were investigating him.
Then this is like, you know, he's with Fox, He's
going to be calling the Super Bowl. Let's play nice,
(03:49):
probably his last year as a broadcaster. No conflict of
interest here.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, it's a weird one. It's definitely a weird one.
Just the whole setup is weird. The fact that he's
so underwhelming, the fact that this rumor feels like it's
a fact that he's going to leave the broadcasting thing,
and I have I have no, I have nothing to
support that, just when Dan doesn't say things that he
used that he doesn't know to be true. Right, The
(04:18):
whole thing is weird and awkward. But there's already momentum
that Ben Johnson's gonna end up with the Raiders, so
maybe that ends up playing out as such.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Do here's the bar real faust, Doug, Do you not
say the conflict of interest on this course?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Of course? I don't think it matters.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
No, no, no, it sounds But when you say that
you see the conflict of interest in this? What do
you what do you thinking Dan's referring to on conflict
of interest?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Just the idea that he's a partial honor of a team.
They're looking for a coach and he's evaluating that while
being able to have sit down meetings, you know, and
and if it comes down to one team or the other. Here,
I'm Tom Brady, and I can inflate my view or
the world's view of Ben Johnson.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, and so here is there. Here's Mike florio version
of why it's a conflict of interest when upwards of
twenty f when upwards of forty million tune in for
Saturday Night's game, that Brady will be working many, if
not most of them, Like, we won't know that Brady
isn't a natural observer or commentator when it comes to
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his potential objective to close a deal with Johnson not
long after Detroit season, adds. In other words, there is
a presumption that if you do a live broadcast you
have an objectivity. Everything that he says about Ben Johnson
during the broadcast is now under the filter of subjectivity.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Sure, sure, I totally I agree with that. I totally
understand it, you know, but again, I don't think that
affects somebody's ability to watch. I mean the other part
to it that we're not that Florio either doesn't know
or won't admit, is all these guys have some sort
of of angle connection or something with somebody on the team, right.
(06:05):
I mean if he's the broadcast Rabel's games next year,
well Rable was his teammate. You know half the coaches,
you know people, you know, people you don't like. That.
That's why when I did games, I would always love
it when you're like, well you hate our team, Like
you don't know if you listen to my games. You
don't know who I like or who I don't like,
and who I'm friends with and who I'm not friends with.
(06:27):
And that's that's the job. But I would only tell
people who it is there is a conflict of interest.
There's plenty of conflicts of interests. If there's not, it
means the guy's disconnected from the game. So like if
you're Tony Romo and you're calling games, I guarantee there's
an OC or a quarterback that you're friendly with and
you can help them or hurt them in which you
(06:49):
choose to do. So he's not the only one hold
on This is our rington talking about the Steelers and
Mike Tullan.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Let's start thinking to myself, is it possible that he's
been there for so long that the way in which
he handles things has become, you know, like it's it's
like status quo, like all right, coach, like you know,
all right, and just maybe you need a fresh a
(07:23):
fresh start. Maybe he needs a fresh start for how
he coaches, and maybe Pittsburgh needs a fresh start in
how they're being led. Like they're having success, but their
success does come to abrupt ends at the end of
the year. I mean that's a reality. And I just start,
like I've always been listening. If you're winning, you're closer
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to where you're trying to get to than further away. Right,
I'd rather be close in winning.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
All Right.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
We had winning season, we made it to the playoffs.
Let's try to keep building from there. But it seems
to be like, just like I'm critical of Dallas, I'm
gonna take a moment and take a step back and
think about am I not being critical enough of Pittsburgh
because of my affinity for the team and for the coach.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Probably, But again, that's what I'm talking about with the
conflict of interest. When you know these people, when you
like Mike Tomlin, likability is a big factor. And I
think that's what LaVar is saying, is like I like
Mike Tomlin. Why would to be. He's being honest about
not being super critical of him because he likes him.
Here's Colin Cowhert talking about Sam Donald.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Let's talk Sam Donald. And I know what you're all saying,
calling you love Sam Donald. I do, but I kept
saying all year, when's the shoe gonna drop? I know
Sam's reckless. I watched him in college, I watched them
in the pros. But he was having like an MVP
level season. And it happens. We've seen quarterbacks like this,
Ken O'Brian, rich Gannon, whatever it is. Guys have unbelievable,
remarkable seasons, but the truth always comes out. Sam Donald
(08:57):
actually had a very Dak Prescott like season, won a
lot of games. Everybody likes him, Players rally around him,
coaches love coaching him, wins a lot of games, and
then he faces elite competition and it doesn't look the same.
So Sam Darnald was zero to four against the Rams
and the Lions, and he was eleven to zero against
everybody else. He's not going to beat the great teams
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unless he's got really good protection a perfect game plan.
So ninety percent of the league isn't this Rams team
or the Lions or the Bills or Patrick Mahome. The
key is, then, don't pay m like Josh Allen. Tampa
got it right. They paid Baker the contract that Sam
should now get. The Cowboys screwed it up. They paid
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Dak the contract because I think that Dak Baker and
Sam is kind of the same guy. But the key
is Tampa and the next team that pays Donald can't
pay him like Mahomes. And that's what the Cowboys did.
They got a Baker and a Donald and they paid
him like Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson's a.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Great point, and I agree with it is you know,
even on the Vikings, I go in now and be like, hey, dude,
like let's do this at thirty. You know, yes, you
go out of the old market and maybe get a
little bit more, but do you have a connection with
the coach. You have this type of wide receivers. It
buys you some time to develop JJ McCarthy. I don't
think they're going to do it, but I love that
(10:18):
idea across the board. That's what the Fox says say.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
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Speaker 2 (10:34):
Let's find out who or what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
And now it's your annoying, Doug.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I think it was an interesting day in politics yesterday
and it directly involves sports. So the Republican led House
of Representatives passed a bill that will ban transgender athletes
from women's sports. Now, that seems pretty obvious to me. Anyways.
(11:13):
I don't know if your view has changed on this,
but it's complicated. There's I think there are riveting, compelling
points to be made on each side. What's the name
of the new guy who runs the NCUBA Baker, He
did not help things. He came out recently and said
(11:34):
that he thinks five hundred, five hundred people I don't
know five hundred and ten thousand athletes are in the
nc double A, and to his knowledge, less than ten
are transgender women are changed gender men. I think that's irresponsible.
(11:57):
They don't test for it. That's part of this bill.
They don't test for transgender and in this political climate,
nobody is offering that information. It's personal information. So for
him to just eyeball this thing and say like ten
out of five hundred thousand. Well, the entire democratic agenda
in this has picked up on those words, and I
(12:21):
thought that was unfair. But AOC took the four yesterday.
This pissed off a lot of people on the right.
I like AOC. I agree with almost nothing she says,
but she is so well spoken and she makes good points.
So I want our listeners to listen to her side
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in answering the question why are we doing it now?
Speaker 7 (12:46):
What we have to say are two words. Not today
the majority right now says there's no place in this
bill that says it opens up for genital examinations.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
There's no enforcement mechanism in this bill. And when there
is no enforcement mechanism, you open the door to every
enforcement mechanism trans Girls are girls. And for all the
folks that are so concerned, thank you for your concern
about women for the first time that I've seen. I
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don't know about y'all. I don't know who's been to
gym class lately, but girls, even if you only believe
in two genders, I've played co ed sports all the time.
But what this also opens the door for is for
women to try to perform a very specific kind of
femininity for the very kind of men who are drafting
this bill, and to open up questioning of who is
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a woman because of how we look, how we present ourselves,
and yes, what we choose to do with our bodies.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Lots of triggering wording in there for the people on
the right. I think she actually makes a couple pretty
good points. But banning women that were born men from
playing women sports is the move. I haven't heard one person,
and I watched a lot of content yesterday. I didn't
hear one politician answer the question do they think it's
(14:12):
a good idea for men to be playing with women,
transgender women to be playing with women. I don't know
what the case that they can make for that is
other than it's exaggerated in the numbers. So it's annoying
that this has to be so nuanced. But I think
the end result the bill is the right call.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Okay, well, I actually think this is a great discussion,
and we had it probably two years ago. It may
have even been before you joined the show. Jaysetu. I
was sitting on the hot tub with my kids. This
is several years ago in Orange County, and somehow we
got on this topic. And my one of my daughters
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at the time, she went to school and there were
several kids at the school that used a different pronoun
than you know, she, her or whatever. And again I
have twin daughters. At eighteen one, she was in a
club like an LGBTQ plus club, and frankly, my other
(15:21):
kids thought my daughter was gay and I don't care whatever,
and she was like, no, I just I have friends
that are any of these different initials and I want
them to be treated fairly. And I was like, okay,
but should they play sports? She's like no, and I said,
I think that's right. I mean, the issue we'll run
(15:42):
into is like what happened at the Olympics, where you
have a woman who's a boxer who was born as
a woman. Okay, but because she has some traits that
look like she may you know, be you know, a man,
then we get into the accusations of who she is.
And I even mislabeled her because that's what social media did.
(16:03):
With social media said she'd you know that she had
had gender reassignment surgery or sex change. So it does
get it does get very murky when there are women
that are born some that are born with with you know,
both both genitalia. Yeah, I never thought we would get
(16:25):
to hear as in terms of talking about sports, but
because of what happened in swimming, because of what's happened
in some combat sports. I mean obviously combat sports is
like what are we doing? And frankly, in all sports,
what are we doing with If you've had gender reassignment surgery,
even if you've had hormone therapy, like you went through
(16:47):
puberty as a boy, you should not be competing against
women who went through puberty as from a girl to
a woman. But there are some gray area things and
I didn't know and don't believe that this is something
that government should get involved in. And I think this
is classic pandering and it is made into a bigger deal.
(17:11):
We act like this happens all the time when it's
very very very very rare and it should be handled
on a case by case basis. And I don't have
any problem with you know, it's like my stance has
been Listen. No, I don't think before you're eighteen you
should have any type of surgery or home ormone therapy.
(17:32):
I don't when you become an adult, if you choose
to do it, you could do it now. The only
thing you give up is the chance to compete at
a high in terms of sports against you with your
new sexual orientation. I don't think that's a crazy ask.
So that's the middle ground I find myself on, which
is I have no issue with people who are gay,
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people are lesbian, even people who are transgender. I don't
believe that that surgery should be performed on anybody who
was a minor. And when the surgery takes place, if
you want to, I worked with somebody at ESPN who
had gender reassignment surgery. Now she was a woman that
(18:16):
was in her thirties. But again, the one thing you
give up is you can't compete in sports against women.
I don't think that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
So, Doug, you brought up social media. You brought up
irresponsible things on social media, and that leads me to
my next topic. Dove Climban. I don't know what he
is or what he is if he's a bot or
I know he was something and then he sold his account.
Dove Climban is maybe the biggest abuser UH and most
(18:51):
irresponsible NFL content creator. I follow him because he puts
out so much content that some of it is good.
I always have to double verify it. But he got
himself in trouble yesterday.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Again.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
I don't even know if it's a him or if
it's a bot. This is what he says about Kylie Kelsey. Now,
just some background here. They gave Kylie Kelsey a bunch
of money to do a podcast. It's called Not Gonna Lie,
Not Gonna Why podcast. I've even seen articles that she's
aiming to be the female liberal Joe Rogan, So good
(19:25):
luck with that. Kylie Kelsey said something on our podcast
this week. This is how Dove Kleiman chose to sum
it up. Kylie Kelsey and her husband Jason are only
considering general neutral names for baby number four, and then
he quotes her, we're doing a little crossover action. I
(19:46):
feel like we have to lean a little bit towards
those sort of general neutral names for our fourth and
he just leaves it out there. So his comments are
filled with people on the right, the fringe right. Is
this what the country's coming to name your kid something
gender neutral in case they want to change their sex.
(20:08):
This is abhorrible and then a couple of the right
wing conservative sites picked up on it and did articles
on it. And then you listen to the entirety of
what she said, and this is what she said.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Going on the fourth. It's like a disaster.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
You've already used them all up, there's all bets are off.
We're doing a little crossover action. I feel like we
have to lean a little bit towards those sort of
gender neutral names for our fourth because we have Wyatt
Elliott Bennett. So if we go if we do a
full commit to a girly name at this point, it
would not sit well with the other three.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I think eventually.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
They'll be like, why why did they get a cute
girly name? How are you feeling about the jump from
one to two?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
So it's such a misrepresentation of what she said. Awful,
this is this is the ship that happened to me
with the nobody you thing, same thing, same thing, and so.
And what you do is you create a political divide
on something where she's just talking about like the name Ryan,
which is a really cute girl's name, but give me
a guy's name, you know, Stevie I've heard as a
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girl's name Charlie right, these are really cute girl names.
I completely get what you get at. It's a it's
a fun topic for a podcast, and he or whoever's
controlling that site made it political. I actually buy a
watch it. Reading on social media, I thought that's what.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
It was because that's how it was represented by half
the country.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Awful.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
She was literally talking about she was considering the feelings
of her first three daughters. That that's what that was
and had nothing to do with anything transsexual or genders kids.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I don't think they're all daughters. I think it's only
one daughter and the other two boys.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Oh it is okay, So here is she.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Doesn't have a girl name. Wyatt.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
I thought it was all for daughters. I could be wrong,
but anyways, Sam, I want to bring Sam in here.
He's feeling this take. It's annoying to him and he
wants to share it.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
I'm annoyed when people try to make things not about
themselves and they end up making it about themselves. We'll
go to a Beyonce. She teased a special announcement on
Christmas Day after her performance at the Texans Game. Great performance,
by the way, but she said special announcement I'm going
(22:33):
to tell you something. You don't know anything about it,
but I'll tell you. On January fourteenth, and we got
an update that Beyonce has decided to postpone her special
announcement because of the fires in La So I'm a
little annoyed just because this is a thing now on
social media where these seemingly self listen, Beyonce is important.
(22:54):
I get it to our culture, to our music landscape,
but she feels a little self important to tea her
secret for another time when when you know the wildfires
aren't taking you know, central stage. So by sort of
trying to not make it about our about herself, she
made it about herself. And I think that the special
announcement all that it really is just another announcement of
(23:15):
a tour coming up in stadiums stadium tour, so you know, listen.
Her foundation did something great, donated two and a half
million dollars to fire disaster relief, which is wonderful. But
some of these you know people on social media, the celebrities,
you know, they they just they tease something that's like
just just wake me up when when you announce it, Okay,
like I don't I don't care. I'm annoyed by this.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I like that because you're right. So now, now not
only is she does she have a big announcement for everybody,
but she's also a really good person. Because she's gonna delay,
she's gonna draw attention. Now, good of a person she has.
I've been saying this for the last two weeks. Tis
the season to be disingenuous? There are so many people
(23:59):
on social media who want to look like a really
good person and tweet about these fires, and it just
gets so like nause what's the word nauseating?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Nauseating?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
God, it affects me physically. I hate phoniness, and it's like,
tis the season to be phony?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It's annoying. I don't think anything, and I'm not dismissing
the annoyance of it, but it pales in comparison to
the annoyance of what they try to do to Travis
Kelsey's wife. So we could have just stopped there and going, you're.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Why are we doing this? Because we can?
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Saquon Barkley had this to say on Uh it was
earlier in the week.
Speaker 10 (24:57):
We gotta be our biggest critic, and that's what we're
gonna be and we're gonna see where were can improve on.
But at the end of the day, you know the
opinions is, that's that's for you guys. The only thing
that really matters how we win. Whether we throw four
hundred yards, we rush for four hundred yards, we win
the game three zero. I don't give a fuck, to
be honest, I just want to win. And I think
that's the mindset of the team.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Love it. I d a f I don't give a fuck.
Uh sek On Barkley not a saint but a stud
and who doesn't love him? Why can't play for you?
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All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
What of Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. Mm hmmmmmmmmmm.
There's a little trick you can do when you're asked
uncomfortable questions. We got a great bonus pod for you.
I think you'll love it. I saw this from Nick
Sayani as he defended AJ Brown, saying he was okay
(00:33):
with the wide receiver reading a book on the sideline.
He was on a Philadelphia radio station and he said,
some guys praying between, some guys meditate in between series.
AJ reads in between whatever. These guys need to put
their mind in a place where they can be at
play with great detail and great effort. I fully encourage
them to do that. Anyway, he says, we don't do
(00:56):
any research. We jumped to conclusions. Oh, he must be disgruntled.
This is lazy to me. Everyone needs to figure out
why he's doing it before they jumped to judgment on
the man. That's that's a great answer. Here's the problem.
AJ Brown was asked after the game about it, and
he didn't want to speak to the media. Look, Nick
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Siriani's obnoxious and what he's doing here is a classic
technique of defending his player, and instead of defending his
player with actual facts, he's lashing out at media members,
calling them lazy, when the truth is no, they had
done their job. They asked aj Brown, and he offered
no answers, only said he wasn't talking to them, but
(01:36):
it wasn't about the media. But somehow this technique works
for people where you make them, you make the media
into the into the bad guy, and it works work
for President Trump. When the reality is here that the
media asked them about it, he refused answer, I don't
fall for Nick Sirian's bullshit, but apparently some people will.
(02:01):
Some people will. I mean, there's no other way to
take it other than he's disgruntled. If he doesn't want
to talk to the media and he said it wasn't
about the media, how else are we supposed to take it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
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App let Let's Get to the Fox, says and now
every day, this time in the Bonus Podcast to play
for you a previous version of Fox Sports Radio Fox
Sports One. Here's Dan Patrick talk about Tom Brady's broadcasting
game with the Raiders head coaching candidate Ben Johnson on
the sidelines.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
How does that go with Tom Brady's game this weekend?
He's got that game, He's got the Lions game with
the Commanders. What happens if they show Ben Johnson on
the sideline? Is Tom Brady, minority owner of the Raiders,
allowed to talk about Ben Johnson? Does he have any
inside info? Which I would believe he would. I like
(03:03):
how the NFL makes it seem like this isn't a
conflict of interest. Seaton brought up something this morning. He said,
imagine if Jerry Jones was going to be the analyst
for a game, he'd love that, and he's looking for
a head coach. Is there a conflict of interest there?
You know, the NFL is bending over backwards to help Tom.
(03:27):
It feels like or looking the other way. Conflict of interest,
that is what it is. And then you go back
in the way back machine to how they went after
Tom like you know, they were going after him in
a big time, big way, like they were investigating him.
Then this is like, you know, he's with Fox, He's
going to be calling the Super Bowl. Let's play nice,
(03:49):
probably his last year as a broadcaster. No conflict of
interest here.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah, it's a weird one. It's definitely a weird one.
Just the whole setup is weird. The fact that he's
so underwhelming, the fact that this rumor feels like it's
a fact that he's going to leave the broadcasting thing,
and I have I have no, I have nothing to
support that, just when Dan doesn't say things that he
used that he doesn't know to be true. Right, The
(04:18):
whole thing is weird and awkward. But there's already momentum
that Ben Johnson's gonna end up with the Raiders, so
maybe that ends up playing out as such.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Do here's the bar real faust, Doug, Do you not
say the conflict of interest on this course?
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Of course? I don't think it matters.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
No, no, no, it sounds But when you say that
you see the conflict of interest in this? What do
you what do you thinking Dan's referring to on conflict
of interest?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Just the idea that he's a partial honor of a team.
They're looking for a coach and he's evaluating that while
being able to have sit down meetings, you know, and
and if it comes down to one team or the other. Here,
I'm Tom Brady, and I can inflate my view or
the world's view of Ben Johnson.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
Yeah, and so here is there. Here's Mike florio version
of why it's a conflict of interest when upwards of
twenty f when upwards of forty million tune in for
Saturday Night's game, that Brady will be working many, if
not most of them, Like, we won't know that Brady
isn't a natural observer or commentator when it comes to
(05:17):
his potential objective to close a deal with Johnson not
long after Detroit season, adds. In other words, there is
a presumption that if you do a live broadcast you
have an objectivity. Everything that he says about Ben Johnson
during the broadcast is now under the filter of subjectivity.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Sure, sure, I totally I agree with that. I totally
understand it, you know, but again, I don't think that
affects somebody's ability to watch. I mean the other part
to it that we're not that Florio either doesn't know
or won't admit, is all these guys have some sort
of of angle connection or something with somebody on the team, right.
(06:05):
I mean if he's the broadcast Rabel's games next year,
well Rable was his teammate. You know half the coaches,
you know people, you know, people you don't like. That.
That's why when I did games, I would always love
it when you're like, well you hate our team, Like
you don't know if you listen to my games. You
don't know who I like or who I don't like,
and who I'm friends with and who I'm not friends with.
(06:27):
And that's that's the job. But I would only tell
people who it is there is a conflict of interest.
There's plenty of conflicts of interests. If there's not, it
means the guy's disconnected from the game. So like if
you're Tony Romo and you're calling games, I guarantee there's
an OC or a quarterback that you're friendly with and
you can help them or hurt them in which you
(06:49):
choose to do. So he's not the only one hold
on This is our rington talking about the Steelers and
Mike Tullan.
Speaker 5 (07:02):
Let's start thinking to myself, is it possible that he's
been there for so long that the way in which
he handles things has become, you know, like it's it's
like status quo, like all right, coach, like you know,
all right, and just maybe you need a fresh a
(07:23):
fresh start. Maybe he needs a fresh start for how
he coaches, and maybe Pittsburgh needs a fresh start in
how they're being led. Like they're having success, but their
success does come to abrupt ends at the end of
the year. I mean that's a reality. And I just start,
like I've always been listening. If you're winning, you're closer
(07:46):
to where you're trying to get to than further away. Right,
I'd rather be close in winning.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
All Right.
Speaker 5 (07:54):
We had winning season, we made it to the playoffs.
Let's try to keep building from there. But it seems
to be like, just like I'm critical of Dallas, I'm
gonna take a moment and take a step back and
think about am I not being critical enough of Pittsburgh
because of my affinity for the team and for the coach.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Probably, But again, that's what I'm talking about with the
conflict of interest. When you know these people, when you
like Mike Tomlin, likability is a big factor. And I
think that's what LaVar is saying, is like I like
Mike Tomlin. Why would to be. He's being honest about
not being super critical of him because he likes him.
Here's Colin Cowhert talking about Sam Donald.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
Let's talk Sam Donald. And I know what you're all saying,
calling you love Sam Donald. I do, but I kept
saying all year, when's the shoe gonna drop? I know
Sam's reckless. I watched him in college, I watched them
in the pros. But he was having like an MVP
level season. And it happens. We've seen quarterbacks like this,
Ken O'Brian, rich Gannon, whatever it is. Guys have unbelievable,
remarkable seasons, but the truth always comes out. Sam Donald
(08:57):
actually had a very Dak Prescott like season, won a
lot of games. Everybody likes him, Players rally around him,
coaches love coaching him, wins a lot of games, and
then he faces elite competition and it doesn't look the same.
So Sam Darnald was zero to four against the Rams
and the Lions, and he was eleven to zero against
everybody else. He's not going to beat the great teams
(09:19):
unless he's got really good protection a perfect game plan.
So ninety percent of the league isn't this Rams team
or the Lions or the Bills or Patrick Mahome. The
key is, then, don't pay m like Josh Allen. Tampa
got it right. They paid Baker the contract that Sam
should now get. The Cowboys screwed it up. They paid
(09:42):
Dak the contract because I think that Dak Baker and
Sam is kind of the same guy. But the key
is Tampa and the next team that pays Donald can't
pay him like Mahomes. And that's what the Cowboys did.
They got a Baker and a Donald and they paid
him like Josh Allen or Lamar Jackson's a.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Great point, and I agree with it is you know,
even on the Vikings, I go in now and be like, hey, dude,
like let's do this at thirty. You know, yes, you
go out of the old market and maybe get a
little bit more, but do you have a connection with
the coach. You have this type of wide receivers. It
buys you some time to develop JJ McCarthy. I don't
think they're going to do it, but I love that
(10:18):
idea across the board. That's what the Fox says say.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
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Speaker 2 (10:34):
Let's find out who or what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
And now it's your annoying, Doug.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
I think it was an interesting day in politics yesterday
and it directly involves sports. So the Republican led House
of Representatives passed a bill that will ban transgender athletes
from women's sports. Now, that seems pretty obvious to me. Anyways.
(11:13):
I don't know if your view has changed on this,
but it's complicated. There's I think there are riveting, compelling
points to be made on each side. What's the name
of the new guy who runs the NCUBA Baker, He
did not help things. He came out recently and said
(11:34):
that he thinks five hundred, five hundred people I don't
know five hundred and ten thousand athletes are in the
nc double A, and to his knowledge, less than ten
are transgender women are changed gender men. I think that's irresponsible.
(11:57):
They don't test for it. That's part of this bill.
They don't test for transgender and in this political climate,
nobody is offering that information. It's personal information. So for
him to just eyeball this thing and say like ten
out of five hundred thousand. Well, the entire democratic agenda
in this has picked up on those words, and I
(12:21):
thought that was unfair. But AOC took the four yesterday.
This pissed off a lot of people on the right.
I like AOC. I agree with almost nothing she says,
but she is so well spoken and she makes good points.
So I want our listeners to listen to her side
(12:41):
in answering the question why are we doing it now?
Speaker 7 (12:46):
What we have to say are two words. Not today
the majority right now says there's no place in this
bill that says it opens up for genital examinations.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 7 (12:59):
There's no enforcement mechanism in this bill. And when there
is no enforcement mechanism, you open the door to every
enforcement mechanism trans Girls are girls. And for all the
folks that are so concerned, thank you for your concern
about women for the first time that I've seen. I
(13:19):
don't know about y'all. I don't know who's been to
gym class lately, but girls, even if you only believe
in two genders, I've played co ed sports all the time.
But what this also opens the door for is for
women to try to perform a very specific kind of
femininity for the very kind of men who are drafting
this bill, and to open up questioning of who is
(13:43):
a woman because of how we look, how we present ourselves,
and yes, what we choose to do with our bodies.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
Lots of triggering wording in there for the people on
the right. I think she actually makes a couple pretty
good points. But banning women that were born men from
playing women sports is the move. I haven't heard one person,
and I watched a lot of content yesterday. I didn't
hear one politician answer the question do they think it's
(14:12):
a good idea for men to be playing with women,
transgender women to be playing with women. I don't know
what the case that they can make for that is
other than it's exaggerated in the numbers. So it's annoying
that this has to be so nuanced. But I think
the end result the bill is the right call.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Okay, well, I actually think this is a great discussion,
and we had it probably two years ago. It may
have even been before you joined the show. Jaysetu. I
was sitting on the hot tub with my kids. This
is several years ago in Orange County, and somehow we
got on this topic. And my one of my daughters
(14:59):
at the time, she went to school and there were
several kids at the school that used a different pronoun
than you know, she, her or whatever. And again I
have twin daughters. At eighteen one, she was in a
club like an LGBTQ plus club, and frankly, my other
(15:21):
kids thought my daughter was gay and I don't care whatever,
and she was like, no, I just I have friends
that are any of these different initials and I want
them to be treated fairly. And I was like, okay,
but should they play sports? She's like no, and I said,
I think that's right. I mean, the issue we'll run
(15:42):
into is like what happened at the Olympics, where you
have a woman who's a boxer who was born as
a woman. Okay, but because she has some traits that
look like she may you know, be you know, a man,
then we get into the accusations of who she is.
And I even mislabeled her because that's what social media did.
(16:03):
With social media said she'd you know that she had
had gender reassignment surgery or sex change. So it does
get it does get very murky when there are women
that are born some that are born with with you know,
both both genitalia. Yeah, I never thought we would get
(16:25):
to hear as in terms of talking about sports, but
because of what happened in swimming, because of what's happened
in some combat sports. I mean obviously combat sports is
like what are we doing? And frankly, in all sports,
what are we doing with If you've had gender reassignment surgery,
even if you've had hormone therapy, like you went through
(16:47):
puberty as a boy, you should not be competing against
women who went through puberty as from a girl to
a woman. But there are some gray area things and
I didn't know and don't believe that this is something
that government should get involved in. And I think this
is classic pandering and it is made into a bigger deal.
(17:11):
We act like this happens all the time when it's
very very very very rare and it should be handled
on a case by case basis. And I don't have
any problem with you know, it's like my stance has
been Listen. No, I don't think before you're eighteen you
should have any type of surgery or home ormone therapy.
(17:32):
I don't when you become an adult, if you choose
to do it, you could do it now. The only
thing you give up is the chance to compete at
a high in terms of sports against you with your
new sexual orientation. I don't think that's a crazy ask.
So that's the middle ground I find myself on, which
is I have no issue with people who are gay,
(17:55):
people are lesbian, even people who are transgender. I don't
believe that that surgery should be performed on anybody who
was a minor. And when the surgery takes place, if
you want to, I worked with somebody at ESPN who
had gender reassignment surgery. Now she was a woman that
(18:16):
was in her thirties. But again, the one thing you
give up is you can't compete in sports against women.
I don't think that's crazy.
Speaker 4 (18:28):
So, Doug, you brought up social media. You brought up
irresponsible things on social media, and that leads me to
my next topic. Dove Climban. I don't know what he
is or what he is if he's a bot or
I know he was something and then he sold his account.
Dove Climban is maybe the biggest abuser UH and most
(18:51):
irresponsible NFL content creator. I follow him because he puts
out so much content that some of it is good.
I always have to double verify it. But he got
himself in trouble yesterday.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
Again.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
I don't even know if it's a him or if
it's a bot. This is what he says about Kylie Kelsey. Now,
just some background here. They gave Kylie Kelsey a bunch
of money to do a podcast. It's called Not Gonna Lie,
Not Gonna Why podcast. I've even seen articles that she's
aiming to be the female liberal Joe Rogan, So good
(19:25):
luck with that. Kylie Kelsey said something on our podcast
this week. This is how Dove Kleiman chose to sum
it up. Kylie Kelsey and her husband Jason are only
considering general neutral names for baby number four, and then
he quotes her, we're doing a little crossover action. I
(19:46):
feel like we have to lean a little bit towards
those sort of general neutral names for our fourth and
he just leaves it out there. So his comments are
filled with people on the right, the fringe right. Is
this what the country's coming to name your kid something
gender neutral in case they want to change their sex.
(20:08):
This is abhorrible and then a couple of the right
wing conservative sites picked up on it and did articles
on it. And then you listen to the entirety of
what she said, and this is what she said.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Going on the fourth. It's like a disaster.
Speaker 8 (20:26):
You've already used them all up, there's all bets are off.
We're doing a little crossover action. I feel like we
have to lean a little bit towards those sort of
gender neutral names for our fourth because we have Wyatt
Elliott Bennett. So if we go if we do a
full commit to a girly name at this point, it
would not sit well with the other three.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
I think eventually.
Speaker 8 (20:48):
They'll be like, why why did they get a cute
girly name? How are you feeling about the jump from
one to two?
Speaker 2 (20:57):
So it's such a misrepresentation of what she said. Awful,
this is this is the ship that happened to me
with the nobody you thing, same thing, same thing, and so.
And what you do is you create a political divide
on something where she's just talking about like the name Ryan,
which is a really cute girl's name, but give me
a guy's name, you know, Stevie I've heard as a
(21:17):
girl's name Charlie right, these are really cute girl names.
I completely get what you get at. It's a it's
a fun topic for a podcast, and he or whoever's
controlling that site made it political. I actually buy a
watch it. Reading on social media, I thought that's what.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
It was because that's how it was represented by half
the country.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
Awful.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
She was literally talking about she was considering the feelings
of her first three daughters. That that's what that was
and had nothing to do with anything transsexual or genders kids.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
I don't think they're all daughters. I think it's only
one daughter and the other two boys.
Speaker 4 (21:54):
Oh it is okay, So here is she.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Doesn't have a girl name. Wyatt.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
I thought it was all for daughters. I could be wrong,
but anyways, Sam, I want to bring Sam in here.
He's feeling this take. It's annoying to him and he
wants to share it.
Speaker 9 (22:13):
I'm annoyed when people try to make things not about
themselves and they end up making it about themselves. We'll
go to a Beyonce. She teased a special announcement on
Christmas Day after her performance at the Texans Game. Great performance,
by the way, but she said special announcement I'm going
(22:33):
to tell you something. You don't know anything about it,
but I'll tell you. On January fourteenth, and we got
an update that Beyonce has decided to postpone her special
announcement because of the fires in La So I'm a
little annoyed just because this is a thing now on
social media where these seemingly self listen, Beyonce is important.
(22:54):
I get it to our culture, to our music landscape,
but she feels a little self important to tea her
secret for another time when when you know the wildfires
aren't taking you know, central stage. So by sort of
trying to not make it about our about herself, she
made it about herself. And I think that the special
announcement all that it really is just another announcement of
(23:15):
a tour coming up in stadiums stadium tour, so you know, listen.
Her foundation did something great, donated two and a half
million dollars to fire disaster relief, which is wonderful. But
some of these you know people on social media, the celebrities,
you know, they they just they tease something that's like
just just wake me up when when you announce it, Okay,
like I don't I don't care. I'm annoyed by this.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
I like that because you're right. So now, now not
only is she does she have a big announcement for everybody,
but she's also a really good person. Because she's gonna delay,
she's gonna draw attention. Now, good of a person she has.
I've been saying this for the last two weeks. Tis
the season to be disingenuous? There are so many people
(23:59):
on social media who want to look like a really
good person and tweet about these fires, and it just
gets so like nause what's the word nauseating?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Nauseating?
Speaker 4 (24:10):
God, it affects me physically. I hate phoniness, and it's like,
tis the season to be phony?
Speaker 2 (24:20):
It's annoying. I don't think anything, and I'm not dismissing
the annoyance of it, but it pales in comparison to
the annoyance of what they try to do to Travis
Kelsey's wife. So we could have just stopped there and going, you're.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Why are we doing this? Because we can?
Speaker 6 (24:50):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (24:51):
Saquon Barkley had this to say on Uh it was
earlier in the week.
Speaker 10 (24:57):
We gotta be our biggest critic, and that's what we're
gonna be and we're gonna see where were can improve on.
But at the end of the day, you know the
opinions is, that's that's for you guys. The only thing
that really matters how we win. Whether we throw four
hundred yards, we rush for four hundred yards, we win
the game three zero. I don't give a fuck, to
be honest, I just want to win. And I think
that's the mindset of the team.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Love it. I d a f I don't give a fuck.
Uh sek On Barkley not a saint but a stud
and who doesn't love him? Why can't play for you?
Because we can. That's it for the in the bonus podcast.
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