January 31, 2025 • 34 mins
Doug riffs on his Green Bay Phoenix basketball team the day after a tough loss. Doug reacts to Dan Patrick's take about Stephen A Smith. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart chooses as most annoying today. Plus, Tim Hardaway makes today's edition of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in
the bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Hey, welcome in.
How are you? So?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You know, we haven't talked a lot about it, but
now we've reached a point to which I'd like to
talk about it because I've I don't know if I've
reached my fill of social media, but I think it's
worthy of a discussion. Last night we were tied the
half and my team we lost to Oakland the Golden
Grizzlies or eighteenth consecutive loss, and it's really interesting. I
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love that people are paying attention, right because you get
people who troll you. You get people who post things
that we've lost eighteen in a row. And it's fine
that it's on me, Like it's okay, lets what you
sign up for your head coaching college. People make it
about you, and it is to my team. I represent
to all of us. I do think it's interesting on
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how nobody seems to want to like dig in at
all and give any sort of context.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
So I guess I ask you, Jason.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Like, is that like, what is the I still don't
understand the point Like last night, for example, obviously don't
have Anthony Roy was the nation's leading scorer before injury.
He is on track to return later this season. And
for the last two games we haven't had Marcus Hall.
Marcus Hall would be our leading scorer without Anthony Roy
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about thirteen a game, thirteen and seven. So you don't
have and I know it doesn't work that way right
where you don't have thirty eight points, right, you can't
just put them in and score thirty eight points. Well
maybe you could, but what happens is you start to
working further and further down the bench. And you know,
I played nine kids yesterday, how many one went to
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six of which are freshmen, and against an Oakland team
that has a couple grown men, we give up eighteen
offensive boards, and we shot poorly in the second half,
had some good looks. They run this really creative kind
of one three to one matchup zone, and we lost.
And you know, my takeaways are, like, we've been trying
to cut down on turnovers.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
We did. We took two or three.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Shots I didn't love in the second half. I thought
that hurt our efficiency, but we generally got good looks,
just didn't make them, and then again struggle to rebound
the basketball. Some of that is Marcus Hall six foot eight,
you know, he's our leading or second leading rebounder. He's
out and again you start working down the bench, whatever.
But our guys that were there didn't play. Some of
it is just the size and age and strength of
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our dudes, and some of it is who we throw
out there on the floor. But I woke up energized
to try and win a game tomorrow against Detroit. I
also know that self lost eighteen games in row his
first year as head coach at Oral Roberts. And I
know there's been plenty of coaches that had plenty of
struggles in their first year. And I know that I've
learned a lot, But I guess I just wondered, like,
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at what point is somebody gonna go, Yeah, you know,
I actually watched the game, actually thought they were pretty
well coached. Or listen, if you watch it, he's like
they're terribly coached because they don't do X and why.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
That's fine.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I just don't understand the piling on because the record
without any sort of context that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah, if you're looking for credit Twitter's not going to
be there. The blogs aren't going to be there. I've
said this to you before. I had no idea how
many people and the dozens were lining up to kick
you in the teeth if you failed at this job.
And I don't mean you've failed overall, that you just
started losing. Yeah, so I wouldn't go to Twitter for
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any kind of credit. But I will say this, there
is a read. I read you're at tweets. I read
the negativity and this is the sense that I get
the low hanging fruit stuff that you've always heard, stealing
credit cards or whatever, all that. All that stuff is
just kind of blase. But there is an undertone. And
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these are from actual reputable people. Yeah, there's an there's
an account. The guy that used to write for a
ringer now he has a sub stack and he wrote
this in depth piece about you, and he listened to
our show for a week and he says within it,
Doug needs to give up the radio job. You hear
that all the time from random Joe's on Twitter. Why
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are you still doing that job? So it's an optics thing, Doug.
It's an optics thing. Perception is reality in your business,
and that's what you're getting when you log on to
see feedback about you and your team.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Uh yeah, that's it's interesting. There's a writer from the
Athletic Brian Hamilton, who's following us around. Next week, CBS
is going to follow us around, and then a local
NBC station is going to fall us around as well.
Because it's it's that again, that's a place where you're
writing about something you don't know about, you just don't
know about, right.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Like it is where I am right now.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
It is three o'clock in the afternoon, and I have
spent the entirety of my morning, which began at six thirty,
on my team, and now I spend three hours in
the radio, and then the entirety of the afternoon will
be on with my team. We have a little practice,
we've got a little bit more film, and then we're
actually going to have a cards tournament.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
We've got to pick the cards the game.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
We want to talk about that in the radio show,
Like you don't actually coach twenty four hours a day.
But again, this is what happens when you're a writer,
and you honestly, this is what it exposes. It exposes
that people who are writers people who cover sports that
haven't been around a team. Honestly, it's embarrassing how little
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they know. Like I got off the phone with two
former head coaches are now broadcasters, and they're like, but
you just got to that was I saw this last night.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
This was good. Try and work on that. What happened?
Why did this kid play? Whatever?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
They understand, they get it, and like the radio show
isn't even a thing for them, because most high.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Major coaches have a radio show.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Some have other things that they do, or they have
family with them, or they you know, it's like this
is what I do. But I think it exposes how
little people actually understand about one this level of college basketball,
how fragile it is when you lose your top two players,
and secondly or also when you get a job, and
how that affects it and all these other things schedule,
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but also just the how your day works, how it
all plays out. And so what my challenge to those
people is, when we start winning, I want to may
akopa from every fucking one of you.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
That's what I want.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
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Speaker 2 (07:12):
Let's get to the Fox says and now.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Fud say.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
This is Dan Patrick when he said about Ronnie James
and Steven A. Smith's advice for Lebron.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Ronnie is in a precarious position. I don't think he's
ready to play. I think he's playing obviously because of
his dad. They're picking and choosing when they bring him up.
He got really exposed by Tyrese Maxey, but Tyrese Maxy
exposes just about everybody. But you really saw the difference
between an All Star caliber guard and a guy who
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probably should be in the G League. I mean, there's
a reason why he was drafted fifty fifth. But Stephen A.
Smith a couple of days ago had this to say
in a message to Lebron James about his son on
first take.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
I'm really really trying to be as respectful as I
possibly can be towards Lebron James, one of the top
two or three players in the history of basketball. Number
two in my eyes, a treasure to the game of
basketball that we should and will all miss when he
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is gone. I am pleading with Lebron James as a
father stop this.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Stop this.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You're not sending him to Afghanistan. Good John, I've never
been that serious about anything.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Oh my god, I wasn't that serious at my mom's funeral.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Well, I mean, Stephen A. Smith is such a fucking phony.
It's it's gross, right, Like we've talked about this before,
you know, like a week after the election, he was
he was mad at himself for voting for Kamala Harris,
like when nothing had happened in that week since the election.
Now he's like pleading with Lebron James. Probably's not good enough.
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And he had the one game in the G League,
which is great, it's great, but you know, if you
actually the problem is nobody pays attention to the whole thing.
And yeah, last night, for example, he had a bucket
and a forty point win. He also looked like he
could didn't belong before that, and he's playing in mop
up duties.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I just, I mean, I get it.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
In the they wanted to do it because they said
they wanted to do it, and they've done it and
had him on the NBA team. But this is not
what the four hundred and fifty NBA players, four hundred
fifty NBA players.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
He's not truly.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
One of them, and we can say, well, now they
should Giannis's brothers at least they fit the body profile
he does not. It looks like somebody's little son out
there that's actually looks like looks like they let him.
He's the make a Wish kid of the NBA. It's
fucking terrible. And I don't have to plead to Lebron James,
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you know, obviously I don't want to listen to anybody.
And the Lakers not having the balls to go like, yeah,
this looks really bad. We're the fucking Lakers. You're the Lakers.
There's seventeen fucking banners up there. Again, everything is different
based upon who you are. It's like to help you out.
Jason always talks about this like the Dodgers can't care
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about what the Marlins think. They can't care about them
what the Reds think. Like they're the Dodgers. They're held
to an incredibly high stands their fans. They're happy they
won the World Series, they're pissed they didn't win the
last ten. Go win fucking ten more and then maybe
we'll let you off the hook. Right, That's what the
Dodgers are if you commit to hey, we're about championships.
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The Lakers are supposed to be about championships.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Greatest players of all time, Wilt Kareem, Lebron, Magic Worthy,
Jerry West, the fucking logo of the NBA. And you
got somebody's son who couldn't start at usc last year
when they were a close to last place team in
the Pac twelve playing legit minutes in an NBA game, Like,
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what are we doing? Yes, if it's the if it's
the Hornets, if it's the Sacramento Kings. This is the
kind of shit you do when you're a losing franchise,
is you do things to get people to come to
the arena or at the very end of the year,
but in the middle of a playoff season, like, what
are you doing? So I just obviously Lebron is not
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going to change, but this is a leadership thing that
needs to change. Here's ready Quinn talking about shirdro or Sanders.
Is the fit with the Browns and the glaring issue
of Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
You can say that your system, you know, we believe
in our system, well, okay, but then here's the problem
of your system, it hasn't worked for the quarterback that
mattered the most. Deshaun Watson's nine to ten as far
as his win loss record, and it starts for Cleveland.
And the problem with that is, like that record really
doesn't show the whole story. He's been awful within the system.
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And look, whether you guys have heard it or not,
I've said this since day one. It's never been a
good match. Kevin Stefancy system has never been a match
for Deshaun Watson ever ever, and I know Watson's not
been the player that he once was during his time
in Houston. We don't need to get into why exactly
that is, but he was never going to be the
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player he was in Houston because this system isn't built
for him to be that player. It's not the system
where he would excel at. So this team, this situation
in Cleveland between their head coach Kevin Stefancy, their offensive system,
and their quarterback Deshaun Watson, there needs to be a divorce. Like,
forget the style of player, lack of production, whatever you
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want to point to, It's not so much about that.
It's because of Stylistically, it's never worked. It was never
going to work.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Uh, yeah, I don't know enough about stylistically, I just
don't think he's I mean, they have to draft a quarterback,
have to have to have to have to have to
doesn't have to be a first round pick, doesn't have
to be Shadur have to draft a quarterback. But Shador
does sound super intriguing because there's a lot of things
Shador does which are a lot like Deshaun Watson. DeShawn
was a better athlete in his prime, but obviously the
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injuries have taken his toll.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
But Deshaun also held the ball.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Too long, really tough dude, And uh, Shador gets rid
of it quicker, but there are times.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Which he's held it too long. It's a it's a.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Very interesting thought there from breeding. That's what the fox said?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
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Speaker 3 (13:54):
All right, coming down in three two one, Let's find
out who what is in annoying?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
And now it's.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Your annoying, Hey, Doug, Can we have an honest discussion
about free speech in the First Amendment. Let's have an
honest discussion, because I think you and I both have
promised our listeners were never going to bullshit them. The
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free speech and this is the context of where I'm
coming from.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I know exactly where you're coming from.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Some I have a degree in broadcast journalism. I've studied journalism.
I've studied the First Amendment. I think it's been bastardized,
used out of context over the past ten years to
justify bad journalism. But just to tell our listeners because
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it's a very nuanced thing. This isn't just a drive
by topic. But the Bill of Rights gives us birthrights.
When you're born an American, you have the right to
free speech. You have the right to free religion, you
have the right to free press. Those are all included
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in the First Amendment, the Bill of Rights. That's a birthright.
One of Dana White's fighters, I guess, is a Holocaust
denier who went on a podcast and said all these
great things about Adolf Hitler. Yes, danel White started his
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press conference yesterday this way, But I do want the
listener to listen to the final question and answer, because
that's where all the controversy has stemmed from.
Speaker 8 (15:47):
Before we get started here. Let me get some fucking
dumb shit out of the way first. Here, I'm out
here have fun doing power slap tonight. And I'm sure
you guys heard what Bryce Mitchell say. If you haven't
said some, probably I've heard a lot of dumb, ignorant
shit in my day, but this one's probably the worst.
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When you talk about Hitler, He's responsible for the death
of six million Jews and he tried to completely eliminate
a race of people. World War two was the deadliest
war in history. Fifteen million military deaths, forty five million
civilians and twenty five million soldiers were killed in World
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War Two. Second of all, Hitler is one of the
most disgusting and evil human beings that ever walked the
face of the earth. And anyone that even tries to
take an opposing position as a moron. That's the problem
with the Internet and social media. You provide a platform
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for a lot of dumb, ignorant people. We've obviously we
reached out to Bryce and uh when we read what
he said and let him know how we feel about it,
I don't. We're beyond disgusted. So for those of you
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that don't know what's going on, good, You're lucky for
those of you that do. That's that's what I have
to say about it. Who's got the first question?
Speaker 7 (17:26):
It's obviously not a fun topics tool about the Bryce stuff.
Speaker 8 (17:29):
I think that's a great statement that you just gave.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Just brice me to face a punishment from the UFC
for saying.
Speaker 8 (17:34):
That's what everybody wants to hear about punishment free speech.
I don't have to love it. You don't have to
love it.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
You know there it is, there, it is free speech.
Free speech has become this umbrella for everything.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, it's it's not actually free. You're not actually for
fre speech. If you say something, yes, listen, and I
just so we're people are aware.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Elon Musk does the exact same thing with Twitter. Twitter
is full of lies and conspiracies and you know.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
It's awful.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
And he says, well, we'll bring pre speech back, Like, no,
that's not how it works, but go ahead.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yeah, no, I disagree with that last part. But what
as it pertains to Dana White?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
You disagree that you disagree the last part.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Yes, Dana White is the president of a company. Yes,
he can choose to punish people that take away from
his business or that alter the reputation of his business.
He can choose to punish this fighter. Yes, But the
thing that annoys me most about this is that Dana
White he spoke at the RNC. Okay, he obviously supported Trump,
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but he also said afterwards that sucked. That politics is
really in the fucking dirt in the mud, and I'm
not going to do that again. In this moment, he
had a decision to make and he flipped the coin.
Which side is going to give me more shit if
I punish him? Which side is going to give me
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more shit if I don't punish him. He knows his audience,
he knows his viewers, and he made the politically correct
decision to not punish him because he would get the
less shit for it. And to me that that's disingenuous.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I okay, I completely agree with you. And let me
ask you, though, why is the why do you disagree
with the Twitter part?
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Because Twitter and Facebook and Instagram TikTok have all become
a part of the public square. The UFC is not
a platform for information. The UFC is a company that
tries to make money a sports entity that has employees.
Twitter users do not have to face a consequence that
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an employee for a company would have to face.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I just I'm going to disagree with you because there
are so many that work for companies and it's like
where do we draw It's such a gray area, you know,
you know what I mean. And that's what happened when
you took away the verified checks, the blue checks from
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people who are reputable newspeople, is that now everyone is
into the same space. It is all into the public space,
but it's just so filled, all consumed with lives. It's like,
now you can't believe anything. Like in an effort to
be the place where truth is told, it's actually a
place where everybody's lying about everything, and yet it is
the space where you can be sued for libel statements.
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It's the weirdest space on earth, truly, social media is.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
But you just kind of answered your own question, right.
Twitter said never never has said this, and no social
media platforms ever said this is where you're going to
find the truth, and you've face consequences. People have faced
consequences on Twitter because it's a public square and your
employer or some other entity who you may have or
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may have not slandered, can take you know, legal action.
But the actual Twitter itself I don't think is under
the same standards as say the UFC, who can punish
an employee that makes their company look bout.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, it's fair, that's that.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I Yes, the actual UFC can absolutely punish their employee. Yes,
in many ways it I actually think Dana is in
a hard spot. In a hard spot because I don't
think he truly understands what the First Amendment is and
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he wants it to be. He truly wants to be
like I, here's the other part to it. Let me
finish up on data, and then the other part to it.
So I don't think he wants to be the leader
dictator who determines what you can and can't say, because
it does become a slippery slope. I think that that
Hitler comments and the ones that the fighter made are
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so despicable that I don't think he would get the
pushback you get some though. I mean, like, look, you
go on social media if you're like, oh, say something
about the Jews, and all of a sudden like yeah,
let me just start with this, okay. I don't know
if it's our education system. I don't but uh, this
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whole thing is so painful to watch from the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
It's so painful to watch people.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
And I don't know, did you not have a fucking
history teacher? Do you not understand by the way they
did wipe six million Jews from the face of the earth.
They rounded people up, put him into gas chambers. And
the crazy sad thing about this shit is that he
literally just echoed Hitler propaganda with the greedy Jews. That's
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what the fighter said, greedy Jews, Like what the you
don't eat first? You sound like the biggest imbecile. Plus,
you're literally echoing propaganda from the nineteen thirties about Jewish people,
which again anti semitism. And we've done an anti semitism campaign.
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And what's funny about the anti semitism campaign that we
did is I got comments on my social media over
the anti semitism campaign we did on Fox Sports Radio
and you're like, hey, is it an all time high? Yes,
it is okay because we have history, we all should
know about it, and yet it still persists. And if
you don't believe me, I give you this dipshit's podcast.
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It's crazy crazy. Here's where I'm torn on the other
part to it. And this is a real thing. Mike
Tyson was convicted of rape. You got this, idiot, Mma, fighter,
does should it matter the type of human being you are?
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If you're a blood sport fighter? It's a legit question
I have, right, Like, why don't we guy get guys
out of prison to go fight?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
It's just about the toughest guy at that And honestly,
like most of America would cheer against the guy in
the prison, right, maybe there's some people that would cheer
for him to be in prison or whatever. But then
you take the money and you give it to the
victims that of whatever crime he committed. But again, like
he's a fighter, what does it matter? This is like
an open ended question. Does it matter to you if
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they're the most despicable human beings on earth? Because at
the end of the day, we want them to fight
essentially to the death anyway, Right, that's what you know, Mma,
you go back in It's like old school blood sport.
You know, it's more of a question than an answer.
Did Dana puss out? Probably? Probably? But I don't know
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if it's as much about the pushback as it is
about the slippery slope of Well, if you punish this,
then how many other guys do you have to punish?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Right?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Do you have to punish somebody who is anti Trump?
Do you have to punish somebody who And I understand
that Hitler and Trump are not the same person, not close.
Is there some hitler esque sort of rhetoric. Yes, yes,
And if you want to say, like oh, Elon Musk,
he did the same, like dude, that shit's fucking what
are you doing? You couldn't possibly be that fucking stupid.
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Maybe he is, especially being from South Africa, a place
which has had, you know, modern day discrimination, the likes
of which we hopefully don't have in our country anymore.
But it does become I think Dana's guard was against
the slippery slope that he perceives or whoever advised, because
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he was also reading from a sheet of paper. He
smartly did it, He wrote it down, he got the
numbers right. The other part that we don't mention about
Hitler was he didn't just want to wipe out the Jews.
He wanted to wipe out all the non Aryans that
included black people. At the time, there are other people
mix ras, people called gypsies, right, and there's like ten
million people overall that he just annihilated from the face
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of the earth. And anyone who makes any sort of
heroic comments about Adolf Hitler can first of all fuck off,
and second of all can read a book, and third
of all you can just fuck off once again.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I think we're good. I think we're good for who's annoying, Right.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
It's just amazing the like he can just say free speech,
and most of his UFC fans will just be yeah,
anything you say after that, free speech covers everything like speech,
and like, I think that there's there's also another one
that lazy people go to as well. Hey, you can't
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say everything. You can't. You can't scream fire in a
crowded theater. Actually you can.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
You can.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Again, this is a nuanced conversation. There are three different
reasons why you would scream fire in a crowded theater,
and two of them are perfectly legal. If there's an
actual fire in the theater, you could scream fire. If
you think there's a fire in the theater and you
could prove it, you could scream fire. The only way
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where you're getting in trouble is if you scream fire
and you do it to intend to create chaos. So
even one of the three aspects of that stupid cuchet
that you hear people talk about when they talk about
the First Amendment is blatantly false. Anyways, Troy Aikman, we
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talked about this on the radio show. Troy Aikman said
this about the NFL.
Speaker 9 (28:00):
The league is in partners with a number of these
gambling services. So here you are promoting gambling. People are
gambling more than they ever had before, and.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Those types of calls.
Speaker 9 (28:11):
There's a lot at stake regardless, but especially when you're
considering there's a lot of money that's changing hands with
these calls as well. So I think that we owe
it to the fans that we get it right, and
I think we're at a point in time where we
can we can get it more right. So that's that
was really my position, and just trying to lean on
the NFL and say, hey, you know, we've got to
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fix this, We've got to address it in the off season.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
That is so confusing to me, Doug, like, we owe
it to the what the betters that got that were
on the wrong side of the Bills game. We owe
it to them to get calls right or to clarify
if there's something going on with the officiating overall, Like
what about the betters that won? They're not complaining, Like
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that's what I don't understand about this whole the fixes
in thing. Somebody is winning a lot of money, but
somebody's also losing a lot of money. Like, I don't
understand that the point that he's making.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Uh, neither do I, to be totally honest with you,
don't understand.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
It even a little bit. Okay, well not even I don't.
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
I think that I think the whole idea of the
fix being in is so fucking mind bowingly stupid.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I truly mean that. I think it's so goddamn stupid.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Right because for that sort of conspiracy to take place,
somebody would know and it would get out and.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
There would be a text message.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Okay, I just want you to ask yourself, Okay, ask yourself, realistically,
do you think that many people could keep a secret
in twenty twenty four? We all know the answer.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
It's no.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
So right, Like, I want you to keep in mind
that at the NFL was conspiring for one team to
make it to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
What they would be.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Doing because think of the damage that's done by Tim Donekey.
Tim Donakey is a pathological liar who has blamed and
told stories, some of which are probably true, some of
which are most are are most likely false as well.
I'm not going to take everything that Tim donaghy says
as the law because he's.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
A liar, been proven to be a liar.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
That's how he got in the position to throw games
to pay off debt, payoff gambling debts.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Right, So all these things fucking happened.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
And the point of it is that look at the
damage that one guy, one referee, Tim Donege.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Did to the credibility of a league.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Fair right, There's nothing the NBA can say or do
to take away from all the credibility he took away.
It brings up all the NBA conspiracy stuff with Patrick Ewing,
frozen envelope, Michael Jordan. You know, did he take time
away or was he spended by the NBA And that's
why he went to play baseball all these other things.
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If the NFL conspired to get the Kansasity Chiefs into
the Super Bowl, they would be putting all of they
would be putting all of their credibility on the line
as a true professional sports league. Otherwise they just be
an entertainment league, which does work forwwe would not work
for the NFL, and the NFL, by the way, is
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owned and works because of gambling. The reason that's the
most popular sport in the country is because of gambling.
It works for re viewing habits, it's easy to bet on,
there's all kinds of other stuff. It's popular with the
fantasy football, which has really always been legalized gambling right
on a different scale than the traditional sports gambling.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
So what they would be willing to do is what
makes them.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Is gambling, and they would be throwing all of that
out the window because they had a preordained choice for
who was going to be in the Super Bowl. And
in order to do that, you would have to have
hundreds of people on a weekly basis.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Keep a secret and no, but it can keep a
fucking secret. So here's what's annoying.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Anybody who thinks there's some fucking conspiracy to get the
fucking Chiefs to the fucking Super Bowl, you too should
shut the fuck up, because you have to think logically
about it. And it is a completely illogical thought to
think that the most powerful sports league in the most
powerful country in the world is willing to put all
their credibility in line just so one team can reach
the Super Bowl when they're already gonna draw. You know,
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what is it to one hundred and ten million people
overall watching the game?
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Yeah, I think that's it. I think you could put
a button on that one. So that's most annoying.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Everybody's annoying.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 4 (32:41):
I do.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Because we can.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Let's see. Tim Hardaway was on a podcast. Who was
he talking to or about? It wasn't Gilbert Arena's podcast.
It was somebody's. This is Tim Hardaway on a podcast
with a Lebron James story.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
I was listening to Maverick. He was talking about Lebron
being at there. We wanted to see what he had
and what he could do. He didn't do it all
the time because he had he had broke his wrist,
and it was like it was like a week after
his he took the cast off. He came in, he
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was playing and he came down a fast break and
we thought he was gonna pass. The motherfucker took off
from Brie thow mindor he.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Just took off.
Speaker 10 (33:30):
He missed, he missed, But the motherfucker said to him,
I mean, just like that. We thought he was gonna pass.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
It was it was a three or two.
Speaker 10 (33:37):
We thought he was gonna pass, and it was like
in slow motion. The motherfucker just took off and I
was like, damn, and he just missed and the ball
slipped out of his hand.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
He missed.
Speaker 10 (33:46):
But I said, you know, that's incredible. I mean for
a sixteen seventeen year old kid to come in and
do some shit like that, and he was making shots,
playing defense, passing the ball. You could feel his press.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
You feel his press.
Speaker 10 (34:02):
Yea, you knew that he was going to be that
motherfucker in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
I think I most love the expression motherfucker in a
positive term.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I don't know other sports.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
I do know in basketball, calling somebody a motherfucker is man,
he's a motherfucker. That's actually a good thing. It all
depends upon the tone of it, but usually motherfucker in
basketball talk is a good thing, either bad motherfucker or
just man, he's a motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Why can we play it for you? Because we can
that's it for the in the modus pots. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
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Speaker 2 (34:40):
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All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in
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Speaker 2 (00:16):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. Hey, welcome in.
How are you? So?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
You know, we haven't talked a lot about it, but
now we've reached a point to which I'd like to
talk about it because I've I don't know if I've
reached my fill of social media, but I think it's
worthy of a discussion. Last night we were tied the
half and my team we lost to Oakland the Golden
Grizzlies or eighteenth consecutive loss, and it's really interesting. I
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love that people are paying attention, right because you get
people who troll you. You get people who post things
that we've lost eighteen in a row. And it's fine
that it's on me, Like it's okay, lets what you
sign up for your head coaching college. People make it
about you, and it is to my team. I represent
to all of us. I do think it's interesting on
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how nobody seems to want to like dig in at
all and give any sort of context.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
So I guess I ask you, Jason.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
Like, is that like, what is the I still don't
understand the point Like last night, for example, obviously don't
have Anthony Roy was the nation's leading scorer before injury.
He is on track to return later this season. And
for the last two games we haven't had Marcus Hall.
Marcus Hall would be our leading scorer without Anthony Roy
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about thirteen a game, thirteen and seven. So you don't
have and I know it doesn't work that way right
where you don't have thirty eight points, right, you can't
just put them in and score thirty eight points. Well
maybe you could, but what happens is you start to
working further and further down the bench. And you know,
I played nine kids yesterday, how many one went to
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six of which are freshmen, and against an Oakland team
that has a couple grown men, we give up eighteen
offensive boards, and we shot poorly in the second half,
had some good looks. They run this really creative kind
of one three to one matchup zone, and we lost.
And you know, my takeaways are, like, we've been trying
to cut down on turnovers.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
We did. We took two or three.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Shots I didn't love in the second half. I thought
that hurt our efficiency, but we generally got good looks,
just didn't make them, and then again struggle to rebound
the basketball. Some of that is Marcus Hall six foot eight,
you know, he's our leading or second leading rebounder. He's
out and again you start working down the bench, whatever.
But our guys that were there didn't play. Some of
it is just the size and age and strength of
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our dudes, and some of it is who we throw
out there on the floor. But I woke up energized
to try and win a game tomorrow against Detroit. I
also know that self lost eighteen games in row his
first year as head coach at Oral Roberts. And I
know there's been plenty of coaches that had plenty of
struggles in their first year. And I know that I've
learned a lot, But I guess I just wondered, like,
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at what point is somebody gonna go, Yeah, you know,
I actually watched the game, actually thought they were pretty
well coached. Or listen, if you watch it, he's like
they're terribly coached because they don't do X and why.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
That's fine.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I just don't understand the piling on because the record
without any sort of context that makes sense.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Yeah, if you're looking for credit Twitter's not going to
be there. The blogs aren't going to be there. I've
said this to you before. I had no idea how
many people and the dozens were lining up to kick
you in the teeth if you failed at this job.
And I don't mean you've failed overall, that you just
started losing. Yeah, so I wouldn't go to Twitter for
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any kind of credit. But I will say this, there
is a read. I read you're at tweets. I read
the negativity and this is the sense that I get
the low hanging fruit stuff that you've always heard, stealing
credit cards or whatever, all that. All that stuff is
just kind of blase. But there is an undertone. And
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these are from actual reputable people. Yeah, there's an there's
an account. The guy that used to write for a
ringer now he has a sub stack and he wrote
this in depth piece about you, and he listened to
our show for a week and he says within it,
Doug needs to give up the radio job. You hear
that all the time from random Joe's on Twitter. Why
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are you still doing that job? So it's an optics thing, Doug.
It's an optics thing. Perception is reality in your business,
and that's what you're getting when you log on to
see feedback about you and your team.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Uh yeah, that's it's interesting. There's a writer from the
Athletic Brian Hamilton, who's following us around. Next week, CBS
is going to follow us around, and then a local
NBC station is going to fall us around as well.
Because it's it's that again, that's a place where you're
writing about something you don't know about, you just don't
know about, right.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
Like it is where I am right now.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
It is three o'clock in the afternoon, and I have
spent the entirety of my morning, which began at six thirty,
on my team, and now I spend three hours in
the radio, and then the entirety of the afternoon will
be on with my team. We have a little practice,
we've got a little bit more film, and then we're
actually going to have a cards tournament.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
We've got to pick the cards the game.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
We want to talk about that in the radio show,
Like you don't actually coach twenty four hours a day.
But again, this is what happens when you're a writer,
and you honestly, this is what it exposes. It exposes
that people who are writers people who cover sports that
haven't been around a team. Honestly, it's embarrassing how little
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they know. Like I got off the phone with two
former head coaches are now broadcasters, and they're like, but
you just got to that was I saw this last night.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
This was good. Try and work on that. What happened?
Why did this kid play? Whatever?
Speaker 3 (06:17):
They understand, they get it, and like the radio show
isn't even a thing for them, because most high.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
Major coaches have a radio show.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
Some have other things that they do, or they have
family with them, or they you know, it's like this
is what I do. But I think it exposes how
little people actually understand about one this level of college basketball,
how fragile it is when you lose your top two players,
and secondly or also when you get a job, and
how that affects it and all these other things schedule,
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but also just the how your day works, how it
all plays out. And so what my challenge to those
people is, when we start winning, I want to may
akopa from every fucking one of you.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
That's what I want.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
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Speaker 2 (07:12):
Let's get to the Fox says and now.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
Fud say.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
This is Dan Patrick when he said about Ronnie James
and Steven A. Smith's advice for Lebron.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Ronnie is in a precarious position. I don't think he's
ready to play. I think he's playing obviously because of
his dad. They're picking and choosing when they bring him up.
He got really exposed by Tyrese Maxey, but Tyrese Maxy
exposes just about everybody. But you really saw the difference
between an All Star caliber guard and a guy who
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probably should be in the G League. I mean, there's
a reason why he was drafted fifty fifth. But Stephen A.
Smith a couple of days ago had this to say
in a message to Lebron James about his son on
first take.
Speaker 6 (07:57):
I'm really really trying to be as respectful as I
possibly can be towards Lebron James, one of the top
two or three players in the history of basketball. Number
two in my eyes, a treasure to the game of
basketball that we should and will all miss when he
(08:18):
is gone. I am pleading with Lebron James as a
father stop this.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Stop this.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
You're not sending him to Afghanistan. Good John, I've never
been that serious about anything.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
Oh my god, I wasn't that serious at my mom's funeral.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Well, I mean, Stephen A. Smith is such a fucking phony.
It's it's gross, right, Like we've talked about this before,
you know, like a week after the election, he was
he was mad at himself for voting for Kamala Harris,
like when nothing had happened in that week since the election.
Now he's like pleading with Lebron James. Probably's not good enough.
(09:06):
And he had the one game in the G League,
which is great, it's great, but you know, if you
actually the problem is nobody pays attention to the whole thing.
And yeah, last night, for example, he had a bucket
and a forty point win. He also looked like he
could didn't belong before that, and he's playing in mop
up duties.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I just, I mean, I get it.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
In the they wanted to do it because they said
they wanted to do it, and they've done it and
had him on the NBA team. But this is not
what the four hundred and fifty NBA players, four hundred
fifty NBA players.
Speaker 2 (09:47):
He's not truly.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
One of them, and we can say, well, now they
should Giannis's brothers at least they fit the body profile
he does not. It looks like somebody's little son out
there that's actually looks like looks like they let him.
He's the make a Wish kid of the NBA. It's
fucking terrible. And I don't have to plead to Lebron James,
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you know, obviously I don't want to listen to anybody.
And the Lakers not having the balls to go like, yeah,
this looks really bad. We're the fucking Lakers. You're the Lakers.
There's seventeen fucking banners up there. Again, everything is different
based upon who you are. It's like to help you out.
Jason always talks about this like the Dodgers can't care
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about what the Marlins think. They can't care about them
what the Reds think. Like they're the Dodgers. They're held
to an incredibly high stands their fans. They're happy they
won the World Series, they're pissed they didn't win the
last ten. Go win fucking ten more and then maybe
we'll let you off the hook. Right, That's what the
Dodgers are if you commit to hey, we're about championships.
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The Lakers are supposed to be about championships.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
That's it.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Greatest players of all time, Wilt Kareem, Lebron, Magic Worthy,
Jerry West, the fucking logo of the NBA. And you
got somebody's son who couldn't start at usc last year
when they were a close to last place team in
the Pac twelve playing legit minutes in an NBA game, Like,
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what are we doing? Yes, if it's the if it's
the Hornets, if it's the Sacramento Kings. This is the
kind of shit you do when you're a losing franchise,
is you do things to get people to come to
the arena or at the very end of the year,
but in the middle of a playoff season, like, what
are you doing? So I just obviously Lebron is not
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going to change, but this is a leadership thing that
needs to change. Here's ready Quinn talking about shirdro or Sanders.
Is the fit with the Browns and the glaring issue
of Deshaun Watson.
Speaker 7 (11:44):
You can say that your system, you know, we believe
in our system, well, okay, but then here's the problem
of your system, it hasn't worked for the quarterback that
mattered the most. Deshaun Watson's nine to ten as far
as his win loss record, and it starts for Cleveland.
And the problem with that is, like that record really
doesn't show the whole story. He's been awful within the system.
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And look, whether you guys have heard it or not,
I've said this since day one. It's never been a
good match. Kevin Stefancy system has never been a match
for Deshaun Watson ever ever, and I know Watson's not
been the player that he once was during his time
in Houston. We don't need to get into why exactly
that is, but he was never going to be the
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player he was in Houston because this system isn't built
for him to be that player. It's not the system
where he would excel at. So this team, this situation
in Cleveland between their head coach Kevin Stefancy, their offensive system,
and their quarterback Deshaun Watson, there needs to be a divorce. Like,
forget the style of player, lack of production, whatever you
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want to point to, It's not so much about that.
It's because of Stylistically, it's never worked. It was never
going to work.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Uh, yeah, I don't know enough about stylistically, I just
don't think he's I mean, they have to draft a quarterback,
have to have to have to have to have to
doesn't have to be a first round pick, doesn't have
to be Shadur have to draft a quarterback. But Shador
does sound super intriguing because there's a lot of things
Shador does which are a lot like Deshaun Watson. DeShawn
was a better athlete in his prime, but obviously the
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injuries have taken his toll.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
But Deshaun also held the ball.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Too long, really tough dude, And uh, Shador gets rid
of it quicker, but there are times.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
Which he's held it too long. It's a it's a.
Speaker 3 (13:38):
Very interesting thought there from breeding. That's what the fox said?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
What does the fuck say? Be sure to catch live
editions of The Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm
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Speaker 3 (13:54):
All right, coming down in three two one, Let's find
out who what is in annoying?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
And now it's.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
Your annoying, Hey, Doug, Can we have an honest discussion
about free speech in the First Amendment. Let's have an
honest discussion, because I think you and I both have
promised our listeners were never going to bullshit them. The
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free speech and this is the context of where I'm
coming from.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
I know exactly where you're coming from.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Some I have a degree in broadcast journalism. I've studied journalism.
I've studied the First Amendment. I think it's been bastardized,
used out of context over the past ten years to
justify bad journalism. But just to tell our listeners because
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it's a very nuanced thing. This isn't just a drive
by topic. But the Bill of Rights gives us birthrights.
When you're born an American, you have the right to
free speech. You have the right to free religion, you
have the right to free press. Those are all included
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in the First Amendment, the Bill of Rights. That's a birthright.
One of Dana White's fighters, I guess, is a Holocaust
denier who went on a podcast and said all these
great things about Adolf Hitler. Yes, danel White started his
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press conference yesterday this way, But I do want the
listener to listen to the final question and answer, because
that's where all the controversy has stemmed from.
Speaker 8 (15:47):
Before we get started here. Let me get some fucking
dumb shit out of the way first. Here, I'm out
here have fun doing power slap tonight. And I'm sure
you guys heard what Bryce Mitchell say. If you haven't
said some, probably I've heard a lot of dumb, ignorant
shit in my day, but this one's probably the worst.
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When you talk about Hitler, He's responsible for the death
of six million Jews and he tried to completely eliminate
a race of people. World War two was the deadliest
war in history. Fifteen million military deaths, forty five million
civilians and twenty five million soldiers were killed in World
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War Two. Second of all, Hitler is one of the
most disgusting and evil human beings that ever walked the
face of the earth. And anyone that even tries to
take an opposing position as a moron. That's the problem
with the Internet and social media. You provide a platform
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for a lot of dumb, ignorant people. We've obviously we
reached out to Bryce and uh when we read what
he said and let him know how we feel about it,
I don't. We're beyond disgusted. So for those of you
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that don't know what's going on, good, You're lucky for
those of you that do. That's that's what I have
to say about it. Who's got the first question?
Speaker 7 (17:26):
It's obviously not a fun topics tool about the Bryce stuff.
Speaker 8 (17:29):
I think that's a great statement that you just gave.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Just brice me to face a punishment from the UFC
for saying.
Speaker 8 (17:34):
That's what everybody wants to hear about punishment free speech.
I don't have to love it. You don't have to
love it.
Speaker 4 (17:40):
You know there it is, there, it is free speech.
Free speech has become this umbrella for everything.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
Yeah, it's it's not actually free. You're not actually for
fre speech. If you say something, yes, listen, and I
just so we're people are aware.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
Elon Musk does the exact same thing with Twitter. Twitter
is full of lies and conspiracies and you know.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
It's awful.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
And he says, well, we'll bring pre speech back, Like, no,
that's not how it works, but go ahead.
Speaker 4 (18:14):
Yeah, no, I disagree with that last part. But what
as it pertains to Dana White?
Speaker 2 (18:18):
You disagree that you disagree the last part.
Speaker 4 (18:20):
Yes, Dana White is the president of a company. Yes,
he can choose to punish people that take away from
his business or that alter the reputation of his business.
He can choose to punish this fighter. Yes, But the
thing that annoys me most about this is that Dana
White he spoke at the RNC. Okay, he obviously supported Trump,
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but he also said afterwards that sucked. That politics is
really in the fucking dirt in the mud, and I'm
not going to do that again. In this moment, he
had a decision to make and he flipped the coin.
Which side is going to give me more shit if
I punish him? Which side is going to give me
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more shit if I don't punish him. He knows his audience,
he knows his viewers, and he made the politically correct
decision to not punish him because he would get the
less shit for it. And to me that that's disingenuous.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
I okay, I completely agree with you. And let me
ask you, though, why is the why do you disagree
with the Twitter part?
Speaker 4 (19:29):
Because Twitter and Facebook and Instagram TikTok have all become
a part of the public square. The UFC is not
a platform for information. The UFC is a company that
tries to make money a sports entity that has employees.
Twitter users do not have to face a consequence that
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an employee for a company would have to face.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I just I'm going to disagree with you because there
are so many that work for companies and it's like
where do we draw It's such a gray area, you know,
you know what I mean. And that's what happened when
you took away the verified checks, the blue checks from
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people who are reputable newspeople, is that now everyone is
into the same space. It is all into the public space,
but it's just so filled, all consumed with lives. It's like,
now you can't believe anything. Like in an effort to
be the place where truth is told, it's actually a
place where everybody's lying about everything, and yet it is
the space where you can be sued for libel statements.
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It's the weirdest space on earth, truly, social media is.
Speaker 4 (20:47):
But you just kind of answered your own question, right.
Twitter said never never has said this, and no social
media platforms ever said this is where you're going to
find the truth, and you've face consequences. People have faced
consequences on Twitter because it's a public square and your
employer or some other entity who you may have or
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may have not slandered, can take you know, legal action.
But the actual Twitter itself I don't think is under
the same standards as say the UFC, who can punish
an employee that makes their company look bout.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, it's fair, that's that.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
I Yes, the actual UFC can absolutely punish their employee. Yes,
in many ways it I actually think Dana is in
a hard spot. In a hard spot because I don't
think he truly understands what the First Amendment is and
(21:54):
he wants it to be. He truly wants to be
like I, here's the other part to it. Let me
finish up on data, and then the other part to it.
So I don't think he wants to be the leader
dictator who determines what you can and can't say, because
it does become a slippery slope. I think that that
Hitler comments and the ones that the fighter made are
(22:17):
so despicable that I don't think he would get the
pushback you get some though. I mean, like, look, you
go on social media if you're like, oh, say something
about the Jews, and all of a sudden like yeah,
let me just start with this, okay. I don't know
if it's our education system. I don't but uh, this
(22:38):
whole thing is so painful to watch from the sidelines.
Speaker 2 (22:44):
It's so painful to watch people.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
And I don't know, did you not have a fucking
history teacher? Do you not understand by the way they
did wipe six million Jews from the face of the earth.
They rounded people up, put him into gas chambers. And
the crazy sad thing about this shit is that he
literally just echoed Hitler propaganda with the greedy Jews. That's
(23:15):
what the fighter said, greedy Jews, Like what the you
don't eat first? You sound like the biggest imbecile. Plus,
you're literally echoing propaganda from the nineteen thirties about Jewish people,
which again anti semitism. And we've done an anti semitism campaign.
(23:36):
And what's funny about the anti semitism campaign that we
did is I got comments on my social media over
the anti semitism campaign we did on Fox Sports Radio
and you're like, hey, is it an all time high? Yes,
it is okay because we have history, we all should
know about it, and yet it still persists. And if
you don't believe me, I give you this dipshit's podcast.
(23:58):
It's crazy crazy. Here's where I'm torn on the other
part to it. And this is a real thing. Mike
Tyson was convicted of rape. You got this, idiot, Mma, fighter,
does should it matter the type of human being you are?
(24:21):
If you're a blood sport fighter? It's a legit question
I have, right, Like, why don't we guy get guys
out of prison to go fight?
Speaker 2 (24:29):
Why not?
Speaker 3 (24:30):
It's just about the toughest guy at that And honestly,
like most of America would cheer against the guy in
the prison, right, maybe there's some people that would cheer
for him to be in prison or whatever. But then
you take the money and you give it to the
victims that of whatever crime he committed. But again, like
he's a fighter, what does it matter? This is like
an open ended question. Does it matter to you if
(24:51):
they're the most despicable human beings on earth? Because at
the end of the day, we want them to fight
essentially to the death anyway, Right, that's what you know, Mma,
you go back in It's like old school blood sport.
You know, it's more of a question than an answer.
Did Dana puss out? Probably? Probably? But I don't know
(25:13):
if it's as much about the pushback as it is
about the slippery slope of Well, if you punish this,
then how many other guys do you have to punish?
Speaker 2 (25:22):
Right?
Speaker 3 (25:23):
Do you have to punish somebody who is anti Trump?
Do you have to punish somebody who And I understand
that Hitler and Trump are not the same person, not close.
Is there some hitler esque sort of rhetoric. Yes, yes,
And if you want to say, like oh, Elon Musk,
he did the same, like dude, that shit's fucking what
are you doing? You couldn't possibly be that fucking stupid.
(25:46):
Maybe he is, especially being from South Africa, a place
which has had, you know, modern day discrimination, the likes
of which we hopefully don't have in our country anymore.
But it does become I think Dana's guard was against
the slippery slope that he perceives or whoever advised, because
(26:08):
he was also reading from a sheet of paper. He
smartly did it, He wrote it down, he got the
numbers right. The other part that we don't mention about
Hitler was he didn't just want to wipe out the Jews.
He wanted to wipe out all the non Aryans that
included black people. At the time, there are other people
mix ras, people called gypsies, right, and there's like ten
million people overall that he just annihilated from the face
(26:29):
of the earth. And anyone who makes any sort of
heroic comments about Adolf Hitler can first of all fuck off,
and second of all can read a book, and third
of all you can just fuck off once again.
Speaker 2 (26:42):
I think we're good. I think we're good for who's annoying, Right.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
It's just amazing the like he can just say free speech,
and most of his UFC fans will just be yeah,
anything you say after that, free speech covers everything like speech,
and like, I think that there's there's also another one
that lazy people go to as well. Hey, you can't
(27:06):
say everything. You can't. You can't scream fire in a
crowded theater. Actually you can.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
You can.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Again, this is a nuanced conversation. There are three different
reasons why you would scream fire in a crowded theater,
and two of them are perfectly legal. If there's an
actual fire in the theater, you could scream fire. If
you think there's a fire in the theater and you
could prove it, you could scream fire. The only way
(27:33):
where you're getting in trouble is if you scream fire
and you do it to intend to create chaos. So
even one of the three aspects of that stupid cuchet
that you hear people talk about when they talk about
the First Amendment is blatantly false. Anyways, Troy Aikman, we
(27:54):
talked about this on the radio show. Troy Aikman said
this about the NFL.
Speaker 9 (28:00):
The league is in partners with a number of these
gambling services. So here you are promoting gambling. People are
gambling more than they ever had before, and.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Those types of calls.
Speaker 9 (28:11):
There's a lot at stake regardless, but especially when you're
considering there's a lot of money that's changing hands with
these calls as well. So I think that we owe
it to the fans that we get it right, and
I think we're at a point in time where we
can we can get it more right. So that's that
was really my position, and just trying to lean on
the NFL and say, hey, you know, we've got to
(28:33):
fix this, We've got to address it in the off season.
Speaker 4 (28:36):
That is so confusing to me, Doug, like, we owe
it to the what the betters that got that were
on the wrong side of the Bills game. We owe
it to them to get calls right or to clarify
if there's something going on with the officiating overall, Like
what about the betters that won? They're not complaining, Like
(28:57):
that's what I don't understand about this whole the fixes
in thing. Somebody is winning a lot of money, but
somebody's also losing a lot of money. Like, I don't
understand that the point that he's making.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Uh, neither do I, to be totally honest with you,
don't understand.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
It even a little bit. Okay, well not even I don't.
I don't either.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
I think that I think the whole idea of the
fix being in is so fucking mind bowingly stupid.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I truly mean that. I think it's so goddamn stupid.
Speaker 3 (29:32):
Right because for that sort of conspiracy to take place,
somebody would know and it would get out and.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
There would be a text message.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Okay, I just want you to ask yourself, Okay, ask yourself, realistically,
do you think that many people could keep a secret
in twenty twenty four? We all know the answer.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
It's no.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
So right, Like, I want you to keep in mind
that at the NFL was conspiring for one team to
make it to the Super Bowl.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
What they would be.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Doing because think of the damage that's done by Tim Donekey.
Tim Donakey is a pathological liar who has blamed and
told stories, some of which are probably true, some of
which are most are are most likely false as well.
I'm not going to take everything that Tim donaghy says
as the law because he's.
Speaker 2 (30:27):
A liar, been proven to be a liar.
Speaker 3 (30:29):
That's how he got in the position to throw games
to pay off debt, payoff gambling debts.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
Right, So all these things fucking happened.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
And the point of it is that look at the
damage that one guy, one referee, Tim Donege.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Did to the credibility of a league.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
Fair right, There's nothing the NBA can say or do
to take away from all the credibility he took away.
It brings up all the NBA conspiracy stuff with Patrick Ewing,
frozen envelope, Michael Jordan. You know, did he take time
away or was he spended by the NBA And that's
why he went to play baseball all these other things.
(31:04):
If the NFL conspired to get the Kansasity Chiefs into
the Super Bowl, they would be putting all of they
would be putting all of their credibility on the line
as a true professional sports league. Otherwise they just be
an entertainment league, which does work forwwe would not work
for the NFL, and the NFL, by the way, is
(31:26):
owned and works because of gambling. The reason that's the
most popular sport in the country is because of gambling.
It works for re viewing habits, it's easy to bet on,
there's all kinds of other stuff. It's popular with the
fantasy football, which has really always been legalized gambling right
on a different scale than the traditional sports gambling.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
So what they would be willing to do is what
makes them.
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Is gambling, and they would be throwing all of that
out the window because they had a preordained choice for
who was going to be in the Super Bowl. And
in order to do that, you would have to have
hundreds of people on a weekly basis.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Keep a secret and no, but it can keep a
fucking secret. So here's what's annoying.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Anybody who thinks there's some fucking conspiracy to get the
fucking Chiefs to the fucking Super Bowl, you too should
shut the fuck up, because you have to think logically
about it. And it is a completely illogical thought to
think that the most powerful sports league in the most
powerful country in the world is willing to put all
their credibility in line just so one team can reach
the Super Bowl when they're already gonna draw. You know,
(32:26):
what is it to one hundred and ten million people
overall watching the game?
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Yeah, I think that's it. I think you could put
a button on that one. So that's most annoying.
Speaker 2 (32:34):
Everybody's annoying.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 4 (32:41):
I do.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
Because we can.
Speaker 4 (32:48):
Let's see. Tim Hardaway was on a podcast. Who was
he talking to or about? It wasn't Gilbert Arena's podcast.
It was somebody's. This is Tim Hardaway on a podcast
with a Lebron James story.
Speaker 10 (33:00):
I was listening to Maverick. He was talking about Lebron
being at there. We wanted to see what he had
and what he could do. He didn't do it all
the time because he had he had broke his wrist,
and it was like it was like a week after
his he took the cast off. He came in, he
(33:21):
was playing and he came down a fast break and
we thought he was gonna pass. The motherfucker took off
from Brie thow mindor he.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
Just took off.
Speaker 10 (33:30):
He missed, he missed, But the motherfucker said to him,
I mean, just like that. We thought he was gonna pass.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
It was it was a three or two.
Speaker 10 (33:37):
We thought he was gonna pass, and it was like
in slow motion. The motherfucker just took off and I
was like, damn, and he just missed and the ball
slipped out of his hand.
Speaker 6 (33:45):
He missed.
Speaker 10 (33:46):
But I said, you know, that's incredible. I mean for
a sixteen seventeen year old kid to come in and
do some shit like that, and he was making shots,
playing defense, passing the ball. You could feel his press.
Speaker 1 (34:01):
You feel his press.
Speaker 10 (34:02):
Yea, you knew that he was going to be that
motherfucker in the NBA.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I love it.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
I think I most love the expression motherfucker in a
positive term.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
I don't know other sports.
Speaker 3 (34:17):
I do know in basketball, calling somebody a motherfucker is man,
he's a motherfucker. That's actually a good thing. It all
depends upon the tone of it, but usually motherfucker in
basketball talk is a good thing, either bad motherfucker or
just man, he's a motherfucker.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Why can we play it for you? Because we can
that's it for the in the modus pots. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:36):
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