March 17, 2025 • 35 mins
Doug talks about selection Sunday and how strange it was to not be a part of the coverage. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Bruce Pearl makes today's edition of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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In yesterday was a monumental day, Uh, in my professional life?
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Do you want to know it was? How about this one?
So the last time I had nothing to do with
or during selection Sunday was oh, man, I think it was.
(00:54):
H Yeah, it was two thousand and uh, two thousand
and two, two thousand and two, So help me out.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Is that twenty three I get? Twenty three years ago?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Twenty three years ago was last time I had nothing
to a selection Sunday and I was actually I actually
called games, I think that year, and then I went
back and played in France. So I have no recollection
of that NCAA tournament, but I called a game. It
might have been the week before, which was I think
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Tulsa played Nevada in the finals of the WHAC tournament
at the Reynolds Center, which is in Tulsa and then
I was driving home on I forty four, I got
a call from my basketball agent, who then asked me
if I wanted to go play in France. And by
the end of the week, I was on the plane
to France. So I missed out on the on selection Sunday.
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The next year, I was working at ESPN and I
did ESPN News. In subsequent years, I did ESPN News
and then after that I did the bracketology show at ESPN.
In twenty thirteen, I began with CBS. I was on
the Selection show for five years, and then I've been
at Fox for This is my eighth full year at Fox,
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and I've been doing the selection show on I did
on Stadium for a couple of years, and then with
Westwood One the coverage of the NCAA tournament over.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
The last five years. Yesterday, and this is weird.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Now I'm a head college basketball coach, so I'm like,
actually in the industry, and I mean, people called and
want me to do stuff, and I'm like, no, I'm good,
didn't watch, didn't give a shit. Now look I'll help
you with your brackets. I mean, I know a lot
of these teams. Whatever, and I think that was the
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West Virginia thing is there's always a selection Sunday surprise.
And I don't think, as we discussed on the radio show,
I don't think Bubba Cunningham a guy who lacks any
sort of credibility, Like he's a dude. I don't buy
the whole. I wasn't in the room when they talked
about my team shit. But yeah, it's just stop it right,
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like everybody gets taken care of him this and I
don't like this whole, Like Bobaba got like one hundred
thousand dollars bonus because the team made the tournament, Like
that's not why Bubba doesn't give a shit about that.
He's a solid dude, solid solid guy.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
But what I find to be.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I don't want to say comical, is that now I'm
I actually know a whole lot more than I ever
did before. And I had nothing to do with yesterday,
nothing to do with yesterday, and it was kind of freeing,
to be honest with you. I was in a concert
with my son and yeah, I met a worked out
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in the morning, he did a basketball workout. We went
to this concert called Rolling Loud, just like a what
are those like? A festival like a rap festival in
LA And I gotta tell you, I do I miss
being on the selection show with Seth and and uh.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
And all those guys. Yeah, yeah, sure that was cool.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But do you want to talk about a freeing feeling
of not wearing out brackets and who's in and where
they're going and who's healthy and who's not. And people
ask me all the time, what's the number one thing
you've learned, What's what's the biggest or what have you learned?
What are the biggest things you've learned? And I'm gonna
tell you what the biggest thing I've learned is Scheduling
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is players is every is the most important thing outside
of that. Scheduling Scheduling, Scheduling Scheduling scheduling. Scheduling will keep
you employed. Scheduling will get you in the NCAA tournament.
Schedule will keep you healthy and confident when you get
ready for your big games. Scheduling scheduling, scheduling, scheduling keep
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you out of the NCAA tournament. In the NCAA tournament, scheduling, scheduling, scheduling,
schedule and U C Irvine, for example, didn't make the
field nobody's bitching about U c Irvine, the absolutely belonging
in the field, and U Syrvine lost a game to Ducane,
who at the time I think was either winless or
like one win or two wins or whatever. And that
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was actually a game that UC Irvine wanted to come
and play us, And you would think, well, they would
have beaten you. Like no, at that time we had
Anthony Roy. We probably would have beaten them, and we
would have beaten them because it's a long trip and
their schedule so it was a bad scheduling on their
point part. Do you guys see s i U E.
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That's so Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville, right. Brian Barney
is a good friend of mine. He used to be
an assistant at Green Bay. I played against him when
he's a TEXTA A and M as a player's dad
was the head coach. Brian Brone is the head coach there.
We played them this year. We beat them by twenty
five points. They won their they won their conference tournament,
and they were actually a sixteen seed whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
But I do I think we were better at that
point in time than SIUE.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, I think we would have beaten them, but it
was their fourth game in seven days. They played a
ridiculous schedule, and yeah, the second half we ran them
off the court. They couldn't make a shot, they didn't
get back on defense. Why they're fucking tired. And the
different the outside of the financial differences which we talked
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on the radio show, between everybody you know, like the
teams that are still playing, and the reason the SEC
has fourteen teams is they have the most money. They
spend the most money, so they buy and large have deeper,
better rosters, and the same can be said for their
coaching staffs. The other part about what the hard life
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of everybody else is we're trying to patch together a schedule.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
We don't kill ourselves like I would say, we lost
oh Man.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Six games a year or so six games this year
on scheduling alone, and then it just kind of builds up.
And then when you lose games on scheduling, then you
lose confidence. And now you lose confidence, you lose confidence
as players, as coaches and in what you're doing. But
the most important thing outside of the players is scheduling,
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and that to me is why you syr Vine didn't
get any sort of coverage because people don't understand how
hard is to schedule at that level when you're really,
really good. And probably why West Virginia I thought played
an outstanding schedule, didn't get in in North Carolina did scheduling, scheduling, scheduling,
But I.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Don't know, Dan.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I mean, like my whole life, I've been watching Selection
Sunday and I'll never forget in two thousand and twelve,
the Selection Show and my now ex wife Angie, She's
like she knew I had a CBS deal on the table,
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and I was like, I'm.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Kind of good.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I like what I'm doing, and she's like, you know,
you'll never be able to watch this show and not
think that could have been me. And she's right now,
in the years since you're like that used to be me,
might actually feel worse. Not sure, but yesterday I felt
nothing for it. I didn't miss it. I didn't care.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I was just really happy to be hanging out with
my son.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
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Speaker 3 (08:49):
Byer. Have you ever had a year where you didn't
watch the selection show.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Honestly, not that I can remember. And that's what made
the COVID year so difficult to us. There was just
there was there's nothing to do. There's this different sort
of energy. We talked a little bit last week on
sports calendars and Christmas Day and how great the week was,
But waking up on Selection Sunday, it's truly one of
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the best days of the year because then you know
what's gonna happen later in the day. You know you're
gonna be looking over a bracket at night. It makes
those games that are played on Sunday so irrelevant immediately,
which is a funky feeling. But yeah, I can't remember
the last time that I didn't watch a selection show.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
So what was like with you and Aaron Torres? What
you know?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I think they they've done a pretty good job now
of do you remember a couple of years ago they
did that where let's reveal the whole bracket.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Yes, so dumb, try to make it like a two
or three hour show or yeah no, no, no, no,
that was after that. Okay, that was after that. Let
me tell you what happened, okay, and do it that? Okay,
So I was on the show. First show I was
on it. We did the traditional show, the one that
had always been done.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
It's an hour long.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
And what happens is you're winning on the Big Ten Tournament, right,
and they so they have the Big Ten Tournament's championship
starts at I think three Eastern time, and then they
get and then the selection show is at six right.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Do have my timing right with it? When it started yesterday?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Or is it six?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yes, six easter six eastern right right, so you know
you're there all day or whatever. But and maybe it's
maybe the championship game started at three fifteen or three thirty,
but they want to make sure that in case the
Big Ten Championship goes long, they still had plenty chances
for their hour window. Six to seven is the selection show.
(10:44):
When Bo Ryan was at Wisconsin. It's not as much
now at Greg Guard, but still some several times they
were in the Big Ten Championship. And one of the
things with Wisconsin's defensive style is they don't foul, and
when you don't foul, the game goes super fast. And
so the college basketball is a two hour window, and
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these games were getting done in hour and forty nine minutes,
hour and fifty minutes, and then they try and kill
time with interviews and with trophy presentations and things that
don't anybody care about. Well, you get the bracket when
you work on the show fifteen minutes or so, sometimes
thirty minutes before the actual UH selection show is and
you don't have a lot of time, and oftentimes what
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you're doing is they have And again I haven't been
to CBS since I left. There's two studios. One's the
cable studio and one's the network studio. And so you're
going into the cable studio and you're doing like a
hit and somebody passes you and hands you the bracket.
Like all they hand you is bracket and it's all
filled out, and so you look at it and you're
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the nobody says says like there's no like highlighted like
this team's in, look at this seat.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
So you kind of have to go through it really.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Quickly, fine tooth comb and then they would do it
where you have thirty seconds to comment on one of
the two games that they were putting up at once.
So after the first year, where I mean it went
pretty well, we had the highest ratings they had had
in years in doing it, they asked for suggestions, and
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I was just like, I just I feel like we're
rushing through things where we don't need Why do we
need to rush? And my thought is always no one
else on earth has the bracket, no one else on earth,
So take your time and let's talk about each each
like quadrant, bracket, whatever, and then you know, circle back
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at the end and we can talk about, you know,
give our picks and predictions and also who got snubbed.
But I just don't feel like we are given enough time.
And I think it was my third year doing it
that they expanded to a two hour show. And the
two hour show was actually a brilliant idea. The execution
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was shitty, and it was shitty for this reason. They
had Barkley and Kenny Smith along with Seth Davis like
breaking down games. Well, they hadn't watched college basketball except
for like a week and a half before the tournament.
Barkley and Kenny are hilarious and they're great, and they
could give They could fill time with the best of them,
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and they could be used really, really smartly. That should
have been a role that I would have had and
they should have been in my seat on the main
desk right instead of the other way around, if it
makes sense. And that was because Turner pays for eighty
percent of the tournament. So Turner was like, we want
our guys, you know, our basketball guys talking about basketball
when it's great, but they don't actually know the teams.
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They don't know the teams, the names, all the different
things that matter, and they don't actually care. Right, So
it became and it was widely crushed in the media,
the number one guy. And here's the thing about CBS.
CBS massively overreacts to anything out of New York. They're
all New Yorkers. It's a New York based operation. When
Shannon Sharp was fired from CBS, it was because it
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was after the New Orleans Super Bowl where they had
the power outage and if you remember, Shannon was part
of the crew on set and SNL made fun of them,
and SNL made fun of Shannon and how he speaks,
and they basically that was it for Shannon Sharp. So
if you do it on SNL, if it happens on
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SNY or MSG, or if Richard Ditz writes about it,
that becomes like the Bible. Richard Dits now writes for
The Athletic. He does TV and media stuff. He doesn't
like me, but he's a fucking idiot who's never been
on TV or radio and doesn't know what the fuck
he's talking about. Proof is. Right after that show, he
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suggested that you do all the bracket at once, and
I quote tweeted him him and said, that's the dumbest
fucking thing I've ever heard of. Do they do that
at the Oscars?
Speaker 7 (15:06):
Right?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Do they announce all the winners and then go back
through the categories?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Right now? What's the fucking point of owning the bracket?
Where no one else on earth has it? No one
zero other people have it? Why would you give it away?
Because what happens with most sports fans once the bracket
gets revealed? What do you do when you turn to ESPN?
Why does ESPN hauls all the guys that covered college
basketball the whole year? Right, we're being honest with ourselves, Okay,
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so why would you give that away? And then if
you're a betting guy, you can turn to some betting channel,
or you can go get Second Screen or whatever. So
the last year I did the show, I'm trying to
think what was the what was the tweak that we had.
We went back to the kind of older version of
doing the show, and it was it was fine, but
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they didn't like that. I called Richard Ditch a fucking idiot.
That was I said it was TV one oh one.
I had TV one o one. You don't give away.
This is not like this is not like statistics class
where you can have the answers in the back of
the book and then you have to show your work
like that's not that's not how it works in TV
now it works. Uh So, I liked doing the show,
and I actually think it should be a two hour show.
(16:26):
I just think it should be way better executed than
they than.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
We did it. And I was part of it, so
I'll own it.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
But I actually thought that there was a good part
of that show that was really really good, but it
got lost in the issue was just miscasting people. And
Charles and Kenny, who are the most entertaining guys, were
also guys that it hadn't watched college basketball that much,
and so they're talking about teams that they didn't know about.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
And while it was fun fund and entertaining.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
People just want all they want tell me who's gonna win,
and tell me how I went money, how.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I won my bracket.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
That's all you care about, correct, No one cares about
anything else. Do you like the up gott look at
the twelve fives? That's where there's always the upsets. Do
you have a numerical theory in how you pick things?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
No, not at all.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
I think that you have to look at a five
twelve for sure as an upset. That can also be
a double edged sword, because if you pick the wrong
one and another one happens, then you're behind. But I
will always look at one. I will never have a
bracket with all five seeds. It's not the first thing
that I go to. I just start at the top
and start going down and then just let it kind
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of take its form. But I have changed doug over
the past couple of years.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I used to just.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Start a bracket and then whatever it ended up, that's
what it would do. Now I do take a couple
of days and I'm like, do I like this? Do
I not like this? Do I really want to cheer
for this team? Do I really want this team out?
So I do take a couple of days to do it,
But I don't jump necessarily to a four thirteen or
a five to twelve to try to pick an upset
right away.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, I think first, I just.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
The most laughable thing the committee does is if you look,
it wasn't Wisconsin. Wisconsin's like a three right, yes, and
Michigan's a five.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And Michigan just beat Wisconsin, yes, in the Big Ten
tournament right before the section. So again, like the amount
of the amount of laziness in the Hey, we just
could have switched those two, right, Whoever wins gets the five,
whoever wins gets the three, whoever loses gets the five, Like,
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just protect yourself from doing stupid shit.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Sure, yeah, on the optics of it make it look
like Sunday matters, even if it really doesn't.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I don't understand why it doesn't matter, though, Like this
is so dumb, It's literally so dumb.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Well, the reason I think it doesn't matter is because
when they took out the final ten criteria, I don't
think that they ever want to feel like they're beholden.
And it was even set on Saturday, Doug that their
first nine seed lines were set. The funny thing with
Wisconsin and Michigan is and I thought Michigan could have
been a three seed. I'm not surprised Wisconsin's a three seed.
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They're both in Denver on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Again, makes no fucking sense. And oh yeah, by the way,
like here's here's a comical one. So they're in Denver. Okay,
Wisconsin had a very good year, right, yes, why won't
you put them in Milwaukee?
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
And oh yeah, by the way, you rewarded Iowa State,
who had a very good year with Milwaukee. Their coaches
from Milwaukee, they have they recruit Milwaukee while the players
from Milwaukee. Here's the thing, i State, it always gets
rewarded to you. Oh, here's the thing. Iowa State lost
their point guard. Yay, they're not nearly where they're seated. Like,
in all the discussions of what happened yesterday, no one said, like, hey,
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you know, Iowa State's coach just came out and said,
Keshawn Gilbert's out for the year. He averages like thirteen
and a half a game. He's really really good. Like
do we want to think that again? It's just I
know people everyone has people like this in their lives,
that there's a build up to things and whether it's
a negotiation or it's a project, and then they get
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the end of the projects, like just fucking get it done.
And I feel like there's a little bit of that
with the committee.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Is that fair? Just just fucking get it done.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
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Speaker 2 (20:26):
App Let's find out who are what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
Doug.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
So there's a lot of NCAA tournament experts today. I'm
always annoyed by those that, like, once the Super Bowl's
over with, they become NBA experts in our field, you know,
people that do debate shows and host shows, and all
of a sudden they have all these authoritative takes like
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they've been following the sport for the last six months.
And today I heard a lot of that, a lot
of people pronouncing their their final four people with authority
and conviction. But as you know, it's the least predictable
aspect of our business. I think it's so unfair when
you were not a coach and you were an analyst,
it's so unfair to put analysts in a position to
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predict this tournament because it kind of wears credibility, and
it's unfair to you guys to put you in that spot. Doug,
who's your final four?
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Well?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I don't fucking know, Like who, Why would I know that?
That's that's what you should tell people. So overnight experts
on the NCAA tournament. That's my first uh item that's
annoying me today.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Oh, they're super annoying. They're super annoying.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
It's uh, it's a lot like you know group projects,
right where the person who kind of parachutes in on
the end of the project like cyclic way, why'd you
do this?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
And what is this? And I don't like that?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And like, well, we've been working on this for like
five months. And there's there's actually someone who works at
Fox Sports Radio who I saw yesterday put out on
social media that they one team peaked too early, one
team improved late. And I was like, well, the team
that peaked too early lost their best player to injury
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in the conference tournament, and yeah, that is kind of irreplaceable.
So yeah, it's just it's really tiresome, it really is.
And we talked about the start of the pod, how
I've been so engaged in this sport for so long,
and while being more engaged than ever on my team,
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my level on many levels, could not care a fucking
amount less about other conferences or net rankings or whatever.
But the people who it's it's not the people who
are overnight experts. It's the ones who are overnight experts
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who claim to be who act with authority like they
know what they're talking about. Like the people go like, hey, look,
I haven't fallen all year, but I just watched a
little bit, Like I think Colin does a good job
of saying, like I don't watch it all the time,
but just a thought in watching it. Those people I'm
okay with, And I'm glad that you say that. That
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people who are analysts, you're trying to predict something completely unpredictable.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
You are you.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Are, and you know, it's like, it's always amazing to
me that. I mean, I was in the not necessarily
prediction but the bracket game for twenty two years, and
most years better than most, but some years you'd have
complete sinkers, and you're like, it's not a question of
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how much you know it's just like sometimes it doesn't
work out that way, you know, or there's lots of
things we don't know. I'll never forget my final game
my senior season in the Elite Eight in two thousand.
Brian Montnati, who is our starting power forward, was definitely ill.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
The night before the game.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Fred Yon seen, our starting center, became ill, like right
before the game. I got sick, and a couple other
guys got sick as soon as we got home. So
we weren't feeling great. And Florida was really really good,
and our game plan quite honestly sucked.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
It just did.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
And I think part of the reason the game plan
sucked was they had an assistant coach who had played
for our coach, John Pelfries's name. Pelle has been a
head coach at I think it was a head coach
at Arkansas for a while.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
So anyway, Pelle.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Was at our practice that year for about a week
as an assistant at Florida. Why well, because they were
struggling with their defensive concepts and installation of their defense,
and so he came to see his old coaches team play,
you know. So then when we played Florida, pel obviously
had the scattered report. I think our guys were super
concerned that he knew like all the state held secrets,
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so we kind of acted out of self in our preparation. Anyway,
none of these things are things that anyone in real
life knows, even analysts. So yeah, I mean, it's it's
kind of dumb to act like you know it all
along when you just started watching college basketball two weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
PJ. Washington plays for the Mavericks. He was shooting a
free throw or somebody was shooting a free throw yesterday
and a mass fan shouted fire Nico. PJ. Washington confronted
the fans said shut your ass up. According to witnesses,
PJ was asked about it after the game.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, the
trades happened. We understand we have a new team now.
All that fire and neco stuff, we're sticking tired of
hearing it. We just want to go out there and play.
The fans they support us no matter who's in the floor.
So that's just how I feel about it.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I don't know how many things are wrong with that quote,
but fans do not have to support you no matter
who you are, No matter what the team is, they
do not have to support you, especially if they've been
over extended to get season tickets or to take their
family to a game. They have the right to boo you.
They have the right to say whatever they want legally,
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not harassingly, and they can't threaten your life. But they
paid the price to buy that ticket, they could say
whatever they want. When you say trades happen, everything that's
happened since the very second this trade was made has
proved that this was not just another trade. I think
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the Mavericks wildly miscalculated how much this would hurt fans.
I don't think anybody realized how much it would, and
I think they're still feeling the impact of it. I
think it's been a great experience and how much fans
are willing to put up with when you trade their
favorite player. Anyways, PJ Washington annoying. Almost everything he said
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in that quote is wrong.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Uh, here's where I'll meet you halfway. I do think
that the most of the quote is wrong, okay, But
what all he has to say is, Hey, you know,
Jalen Brunson became a superstar when.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
He left here.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
We made the NBA Finals, Chris tops Prizingis went to
beat us in the finals, but we went to the
NBA Finals. So the same guy that you're criticizing now
you hailed as an incredible GM just a couple months ago.
And oh yeah, by the way, like you're judging us
without Anthony Davis, without Kyrie Irving, So.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Give a bit of a break.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I know nobody gives you a break, and that's kind
of what he's asking for. So I'll meet you kind
of halfway, but there is a certain I'll just be
honest with Jason. I think fucking fans are fucking idiots
in Dallas. I just the whole thing is fucking stupid,
and we have basketball analysts who fuel that. Like, again,
I would not have traded Luka Doncik. This goes a
(28:23):
little bit to the first part. But there's a ton
that we don't know, right, we don't know. And yeah,
they kind of said the weight thing, they kind of
said the habits thing.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
My guess is what they're telling us is just a
fraction of He was a complossal fucking pain in the
fucking ass, colossal pain in the ass, and Anthony Davis,
who had not kept himself in great shape has been
injury prone, had a relationship with the GM and that
was the best they thought they could do in terms
of trading him for a star. And again, we don't
(28:56):
have We have no sense of how good Anthony Davis
was going to be or how good that team was
going to be because a series of things have gone wrong.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
But this idea that like you can go from.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Building a championship team to a complete fucking idiot with
one trade, I don't know it just to me it
it defies logic to me, and I understand that being
a fan is illogical.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
But we've reached this point.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I again, I have heard people say it did matter
if the Dallas Mavericks would have won an NBA championship,
it would have been a bad trade. That's the stupidest
fucking thing I've ever fucking heard in my entire fucking life.
Nico Harrison's sole job is to put the best product
on the floor. It's the same conversation, by the way,
(29:52):
we've had about hiring black coaches or in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Right by the way, Nico is black.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
He traded a white guy for nobody fucking cares all
they're supposed to care about in sports anybody cares about
in sports is what gives us the greatest chance to
win a championship now and into the future. And in
his professional opinion, he staked everything, he put everything on
the line that I think Anthony Davis at a lower
(30:18):
number gives us a better consistent chance of winning a
championship than Luka Doncikis.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
We're allowed to disagree, but we still.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Don't really have a true sense of what that would
actually look like, right, because they've never been whole so
economy you halfway do. I think he's talking about some
fantasy that they just support the team and believe in
the team no matter what.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, that's a fantasy. You're right.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
On the other hand, there's apparently no equity in all
they accomplished last season with the exact same general manager
who made some a series of very difficult decisions and
some late season trades in or to make it work.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I bet out of the hundreds of thousands of people
that down the this podcast every day, maybe three people
know that Major League Baseball starts tomorrow in about eighteen hours.
Major League Baseball starts its season at six am Eastern
three am Pacific time. The Dodgers and Cubs are going
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to be played in a two game Tokyo series to
start the season, official games, not exhibition games. They're going
to play two games, and then the official opening day
for Major League Baseball is a twenty seven. I spend
a lot of time on this podcast harping on the
decisions made by Major League Baseball. But to do this,
especially during like a week of the college basketball tournament,
(31:41):
just to kind of bury your opening day under all
this garbage and then have it at three am Pacific
time where Los Angeles market, the Los Angeles market can't
watch it live unless they really want to wake up.
I think that's very annoying.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
That's baseball.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, I think there's a greater We had a little
bit of this discussion on the radio show. I think
there's a greater discussion. I actually think it's brilliant. I
just do because so many people go to Vegas for
the first two days of the NCAA tournament that they're
just watching sports at all hours, and those are like
(32:23):
hardcore sports gambling fans. The other part, too, it is
the NFL has kind of taken over this thing that
Major League Baseball has done, and now Major League Baseball
is smartly doing it on their own, which is you
got expand right, Like we're kind of tapped out as
fans here in the United States and you have sho
hee o Tani. Like if they've done the exhibition game
(32:44):
thing there before, they've done it, it didn't move the
needle at all. So they're trying real games with the
biggest star in baseball, with the defending World Series champions.
I actually a league disagree with you on this one.
I think you're annoy because you can't watch your team
play right, which is fine, Like you personalize it and
(33:05):
you're like you rationalize you like I ain't staying up
till two am. I'm I'm just not what you're allowed
to do. But it's not necessarily for you. In order
for the game to be healthy, they have to continue
to grow and bridge those international markets. And the one
market that loves baseball more so than anybody in America
(33:26):
could ever comprehend is Japan. So they're bringing Japan the
actual best product, you know, like where's the NFL. We
go over there, and the game time starts at different times, right,
and we give how many times we're gonna give them
the Jaguars or the shit teams. We gave them the
Dodgers and their biggest star and the biggest star in baseball,
and we give them a real game. I think it's
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really smart business from Major League Baseball that doesn't always
do smart business.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
This one is a smart one.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
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Speaker 1 (34:09):
Why are we doing this? Because we can?
Speaker 3 (34:15):
What you got from Jay? But what's what's because we can?
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Sounds are technical producer. Can you say pussy on over
the air waves on the over the airwaves? No, you
can't say pussy right, Okay, you mean you could say
pussy Willow, but I wouldn't recommend that either. That's an
old Howard Stern private parts thing. And this, uh, this
qualifies because we can. It's Auburn coach Bruce Bruce pearl
(34:39):
on with the uh. I don't even know what it was,
some kind of SEC tournament coverage.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
That's a lot of people the kind of balance and
the hands to get it, save it and never got
down the ball down the floor. The key to our
free point line defense is I got big ZI can.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Get out their guard guards.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I got big zicking out there guard guards, and my
guards are pussy don't want to go down there.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Bag a little bit.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
So good, so good.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
It is honestly the one of the more used words
in the English Dictionary in the English vernacular to describe
the toughest level of basketball players, specifically Bruce saying the
quiet part out loud on live TV is fantastic. By
the way, if you win, you say where the fuck
you want? And why do we know that?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Because we can. That's it for the end the Moments podcast.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
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In yesterday was a monumental day, Uh, in my professional life?
(00:33):
Do you want to know it was? How about this one?
So the last time I had nothing to do with
or during selection Sunday was oh, man, I think it was.
(00:54):
H Yeah, it was two thousand and uh, two thousand
and two, two thousand and two, So help me out.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Is that twenty three I get? Twenty three years ago?
Speaker 4 (01:07):
Right?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Twenty three years ago was last time I had nothing
to a selection Sunday and I was actually I actually
called games, I think that year, and then I went
back and played in France. So I have no recollection
of that NCAA tournament, but I called a game. It
might have been the week before, which was I think
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Tulsa played Nevada in the finals of the WHAC tournament
at the Reynolds Center, which is in Tulsa and then
I was driving home on I forty four, I got
a call from my basketball agent, who then asked me
if I wanted to go play in France. And by
the end of the week, I was on the plane
to France. So I missed out on the on selection Sunday.
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The next year, I was working at ESPN and I
did ESPN News. In subsequent years, I did ESPN News
and then after that I did the bracketology show at ESPN.
In twenty thirteen, I began with CBS. I was on
the Selection show for five years, and then I've been
at Fox for This is my eighth full year at Fox,
(02:11):
and I've been doing the selection show on I did
on Stadium for a couple of years, and then with
Westwood One the coverage of the NCAA tournament over.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
The last five years. Yesterday, and this is weird.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Now I'm a head college basketball coach, so I'm like,
actually in the industry, and I mean, people called and
want me to do stuff, and I'm like, no, I'm good,
didn't watch, didn't give a shit. Now look I'll help
you with your brackets. I mean, I know a lot
of these teams. Whatever, and I think that was the
(02:47):
West Virginia thing is there's always a selection Sunday surprise.
And I don't think, as we discussed on the radio show,
I don't think Bubba Cunningham a guy who lacks any
sort of credibility, Like he's a dude. I don't buy
the whole. I wasn't in the room when they talked
about my team shit. But yeah, it's just stop it right,
(03:11):
like everybody gets taken care of him this and I
don't like this whole, Like Bobaba got like one hundred
thousand dollars bonus because the team made the tournament, Like
that's not why Bubba doesn't give a shit about that.
He's a solid dude, solid solid guy.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
But what I find to be.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I don't want to say comical, is that now I'm
I actually know a whole lot more than I ever
did before. And I had nothing to do with yesterday,
nothing to do with yesterday, and it was kind of freeing,
to be honest with you. I was in a concert
with my son and yeah, I met a worked out
(03:52):
in the morning, he did a basketball workout. We went
to this concert called Rolling Loud, just like a what
are those like? A festival like a rap festival in
LA And I gotta tell you, I do I miss
being on the selection show with Seth and and uh.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
And all those guys. Yeah, yeah, sure that was cool.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
But do you want to talk about a freeing feeling
of not wearing out brackets and who's in and where
they're going and who's healthy and who's not. And people
ask me all the time, what's the number one thing
you've learned, What's what's the biggest or what have you learned?
What are the biggest things you've learned? And I'm gonna
tell you what the biggest thing I've learned is Scheduling
(04:41):
is players is every is the most important thing outside
of that. Scheduling Scheduling, Scheduling Scheduling scheduling. Scheduling will keep
you employed. Scheduling will get you in the NCAA tournament.
Schedule will keep you healthy and confident when you get
ready for your big games. Scheduling scheduling, scheduling, scheduling keep
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you out of the NCAA tournament. In the NCAA tournament, scheduling, scheduling, scheduling,
schedule and U C Irvine, for example, didn't make the
field nobody's bitching about U c Irvine, the absolutely belonging
in the field, and U Syrvine lost a game to Ducane,
who at the time I think was either winless or
like one win or two wins or whatever. And that
(05:25):
was actually a game that UC Irvine wanted to come
and play us, And you would think, well, they would
have beaten you. Like no, at that time we had
Anthony Roy. We probably would have beaten them, and we
would have beaten them because it's a long trip and
their schedule so it was a bad scheduling on their
point part. Do you guys see s i U E.
(05:47):
That's so Southern Illinois University at Edwardsville, right. Brian Barney
is a good friend of mine. He used to be
an assistant at Green Bay. I played against him when
he's a TEXTA A and M as a player's dad
was the head coach. Brian Brone is the head coach there.
We played them this year. We beat them by twenty
five points. They won their they won their conference tournament,
and they were actually a sixteen seed whatever.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
But I do I think we were better at that
point in time than SIUE.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, I think we would have beaten them, but it
was their fourth game in seven days. They played a
ridiculous schedule, and yeah, the second half we ran them
off the court. They couldn't make a shot, they didn't
get back on defense. Why they're fucking tired. And the
different the outside of the financial differences which we talked
(06:34):
on the radio show, between everybody you know, like the
teams that are still playing, and the reason the SEC
has fourteen teams is they have the most money. They
spend the most money, so they buy and large have deeper,
better rosters, and the same can be said for their
coaching staffs. The other part about what the hard life
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of everybody else is we're trying to patch together a schedule.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
We don't kill ourselves like I would say, we lost
oh Man.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Six games a year or so six games this year
on scheduling alone, and then it just kind of builds up.
And then when you lose games on scheduling, then you
lose confidence. And now you lose confidence, you lose confidence
as players, as coaches and in what you're doing. But
the most important thing outside of the players is scheduling,
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and that to me is why you syr Vine didn't
get any sort of coverage because people don't understand how
hard is to schedule at that level when you're really,
really good. And probably why West Virginia I thought played
an outstanding schedule, didn't get in in North Carolina did scheduling, scheduling, scheduling,
But I.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Don't know, Dan.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
I mean, like my whole life, I've been watching Selection
Sunday and I'll never forget in two thousand and twelve,
the Selection Show and my now ex wife Angie, She's
like she knew I had a CBS deal on the table,
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and I was like, I'm.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Kind of good.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
I like what I'm doing, and she's like, you know,
you'll never be able to watch this show and not
think that could have been me. And she's right now,
in the years since you're like that used to be me,
might actually feel worse. Not sure, but yesterday I felt
nothing for it. I didn't miss it. I didn't care.
Speaker 3 (08:35):
I was just really happy to be hanging out with
my son.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
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Speaker 3 (08:49):
Byer. Have you ever had a year where you didn't
watch the selection show.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
Honestly, not that I can remember. And that's what made
the COVID year so difficult to us. There was just
there was there's nothing to do. There's this different sort
of energy. We talked a little bit last week on
sports calendars and Christmas Day and how great the week was,
But waking up on Selection Sunday, it's truly one of
(09:15):
the best days of the year because then you know
what's gonna happen later in the day. You know you're
gonna be looking over a bracket at night. It makes
those games that are played on Sunday so irrelevant immediately,
which is a funky feeling. But yeah, I can't remember
the last time that I didn't watch a selection show.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
So what was like with you and Aaron Torres? What
you know?
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I think they they've done a pretty good job now
of do you remember a couple of years ago they
did that where let's reveal the whole bracket.
Speaker 6 (09:46):
Yes, so dumb, try to make it like a two
or three hour show or yeah no, no, no, no,
that was after that. Okay, that was after that. Let
me tell you what happened, okay, and do it that? Okay,
So I was on the show. First show I was
on it. We did the traditional show, the one that
had always been done.
Speaker 3 (10:03):
It's an hour long.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
And what happens is you're winning on the Big Ten Tournament, right,
and they so they have the Big Ten Tournament's championship
starts at I think three Eastern time, and then they
get and then the selection show is at six right.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Do have my timing right with it? When it started yesterday?
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Or is it six?
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Yes, six easter six eastern right right, so you know
you're there all day or whatever. But and maybe it's
maybe the championship game started at three fifteen or three thirty,
but they want to make sure that in case the
Big Ten Championship goes long, they still had plenty chances
for their hour window. Six to seven is the selection show.
(10:44):
When Bo Ryan was at Wisconsin. It's not as much
now at Greg Guard, but still some several times they
were in the Big Ten Championship. And one of the
things with Wisconsin's defensive style is they don't foul, and
when you don't foul, the game goes super fast. And
so the college basketball is a two hour window, and
(11:05):
these games were getting done in hour and forty nine minutes,
hour and fifty minutes, and then they try and kill
time with interviews and with trophy presentations and things that
don't anybody care about. Well, you get the bracket when
you work on the show fifteen minutes or so, sometimes
thirty minutes before the actual UH selection show is and
you don't have a lot of time, and oftentimes what
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you're doing is they have And again I haven't been
to CBS since I left. There's two studios. One's the
cable studio and one's the network studio. And so you're
going into the cable studio and you're doing like a
hit and somebody passes you and hands you the bracket.
Like all they hand you is bracket and it's all
filled out, and so you look at it and you're
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the nobody says says like there's no like highlighted like
this team's in, look at this seat.
Speaker 3 (11:54):
So you kind of have to go through it really.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Quickly, fine tooth comb and then they would do it
where you have thirty seconds to comment on one of
the two games that they were putting up at once.
So after the first year, where I mean it went
pretty well, we had the highest ratings they had had
in years in doing it, they asked for suggestions, and
(12:17):
I was just like, I just I feel like we're
rushing through things where we don't need Why do we
need to rush? And my thought is always no one
else on earth has the bracket, no one else on earth,
So take your time and let's talk about each each
like quadrant, bracket, whatever, and then you know, circle back
(12:38):
at the end and we can talk about, you know,
give our picks and predictions and also who got snubbed.
But I just don't feel like we are given enough time.
And I think it was my third year doing it
that they expanded to a two hour show. And the
two hour show was actually a brilliant idea. The execution
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was shitty, and it was shitty for this reason. They
had Barkley and Kenny Smith along with Seth Davis like
breaking down games. Well, they hadn't watched college basketball except
for like a week and a half before the tournament.
Barkley and Kenny are hilarious and they're great, and they
could give They could fill time with the best of them,
(13:23):
and they could be used really, really smartly. That should
have been a role that I would have had and
they should have been in my seat on the main
desk right instead of the other way around, if it
makes sense. And that was because Turner pays for eighty
percent of the tournament. So Turner was like, we want
our guys, you know, our basketball guys talking about basketball
when it's great, but they don't actually know the teams.
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They don't know the teams, the names, all the different
things that matter, and they don't actually care. Right, So
it became and it was widely crushed in the media,
the number one guy. And here's the thing about CBS.
CBS massively overreacts to anything out of New York. They're
all New Yorkers. It's a New York based operation. When
Shannon Sharp was fired from CBS, it was because it
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was after the New Orleans Super Bowl where they had
the power outage and if you remember, Shannon was part
of the crew on set and SNL made fun of them,
and SNL made fun of Shannon and how he speaks,
and they basically that was it for Shannon Sharp. So
if you do it on SNL, if it happens on
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SNY or MSG, or if Richard Ditz writes about it,
that becomes like the Bible. Richard Dits now writes for
The Athletic. He does TV and media stuff. He doesn't
like me, but he's a fucking idiot who's never been
on TV or radio and doesn't know what the fuck
he's talking about. Proof is. Right after that show, he
(14:54):
suggested that you do all the bracket at once, and
I quote tweeted him him and said, that's the dumbest
fucking thing I've ever heard of. Do they do that
at the Oscars?
Speaker 7 (15:06):
Right?
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Do they announce all the winners and then go back
through the categories?
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Right now? What's the fucking point of owning the bracket?
Where no one else on earth has it? No one
zero other people have it? Why would you give it away?
Because what happens with most sports fans once the bracket
gets revealed? What do you do when you turn to ESPN?
Why does ESPN hauls all the guys that covered college
basketball the whole year? Right, we're being honest with ourselves, Okay,
(15:37):
so why would you give that away? And then if
you're a betting guy, you can turn to some betting channel,
or you can go get Second Screen or whatever. So
the last year I did the show, I'm trying to
think what was the what was the tweak that we had.
We went back to the kind of older version of
doing the show, and it was it was fine, but
(16:03):
they didn't like that. I called Richard Ditch a fucking idiot.
That was I said it was TV one oh one.
I had TV one o one. You don't give away.
This is not like this is not like statistics class
where you can have the answers in the back of
the book and then you have to show your work
like that's not that's not how it works in TV
now it works. Uh So, I liked doing the show,
and I actually think it should be a two hour show.
(16:26):
I just think it should be way better executed than
they than.
Speaker 3 (16:29):
We did it. And I was part of it, so
I'll own it.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
But I actually thought that there was a good part
of that show that was really really good, but it
got lost in the issue was just miscasting people. And
Charles and Kenny, who are the most entertaining guys, were
also guys that it hadn't watched college basketball that much,
and so they're talking about teams that they didn't know about.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
And while it was fun fund and entertaining.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
People just want all they want tell me who's gonna win,
and tell me how I went money, how.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
I won my bracket.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
That's all you care about, correct, No one cares about
anything else. Do you like the up gott look at
the twelve fives? That's where there's always the upsets. Do
you have a numerical theory in how you pick things?
Speaker 3 (17:09):
No, not at all.
Speaker 5 (17:11):
I think that you have to look at a five
twelve for sure as an upset. That can also be
a double edged sword, because if you pick the wrong
one and another one happens, then you're behind. But I
will always look at one. I will never have a
bracket with all five seeds. It's not the first thing
that I go to. I just start at the top
and start going down and then just let it kind
(17:33):
of take its form. But I have changed doug over
the past couple of years.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
I used to just.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
Start a bracket and then whatever it ended up, that's
what it would do. Now I do take a couple
of days and I'm like, do I like this? Do
I not like this? Do I really want to cheer
for this team? Do I really want this team out?
So I do take a couple of days to do it,
But I don't jump necessarily to a four thirteen or
a five to twelve to try to pick an upset
right away.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
Yeah, I think first, I just.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
The most laughable thing the committee does is if you look,
it wasn't Wisconsin. Wisconsin's like a three right, yes, and
Michigan's a five.
Speaker 3 (18:16):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
And Michigan just beat Wisconsin, yes, in the Big Ten
tournament right before the section. So again, like the amount
of the amount of laziness in the Hey, we just
could have switched those two, right, Whoever wins gets the five,
whoever wins gets the three, whoever loses gets the five, Like,
(18:37):
just protect yourself from doing stupid shit.
Speaker 5 (18:39):
Sure, yeah, on the optics of it make it look
like Sunday matters, even if it really doesn't.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
I don't understand why it doesn't matter, though, Like this
is so dumb, It's literally so dumb.
Speaker 5 (18:51):
Well, the reason I think it doesn't matter is because
when they took out the final ten criteria, I don't
think that they ever want to feel like they're beholden.
And it was even set on Saturday, Doug that their
first nine seed lines were set. The funny thing with
Wisconsin and Michigan is and I thought Michigan could have
been a three seed. I'm not surprised Wisconsin's a three seed.
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They're both in Denver on Thursday.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Again, makes no fucking sense. And oh yeah, by the way,
like here's here's a comical one. So they're in Denver. Okay,
Wisconsin had a very good year, right, yes, why won't
you put them in Milwaukee?
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Correct?
Speaker 2 (19:29):
And oh yeah, by the way, you rewarded Iowa State,
who had a very good year with Milwaukee. Their coaches
from Milwaukee, they have they recruit Milwaukee while the players
from Milwaukee. Here's the thing, i State, it always gets
rewarded to you. Oh, here's the thing. Iowa State lost
their point guard. Yay, they're not nearly where they're seated. Like,
in all the discussions of what happened yesterday, no one said, like, hey,
(19:50):
you know, Iowa State's coach just came out and said,
Keshawn Gilbert's out for the year. He averages like thirteen
and a half a game. He's really really good. Like
do we want to think that again? It's just I
know people everyone has people like this in their lives,
that there's a build up to things and whether it's
a negotiation or it's a project, and then they get
(20:10):
the end of the projects, like just fucking get it done.
And I feel like there's a little bit of that
with the committee.
Speaker 3 (20:16):
Is that fair? Just just fucking get it done.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
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Speaker 2 (20:26):
App Let's find out who are what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
Doug.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
So there's a lot of NCAA tournament experts today. I'm
always annoyed by those that, like, once the Super Bowl's
over with, they become NBA experts in our field, you know,
people that do debate shows and host shows, and all
of a sudden they have all these authoritative takes like
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they've been following the sport for the last six months.
And today I heard a lot of that, a lot
of people pronouncing their their final four people with authority
and conviction. But as you know, it's the least predictable
aspect of our business. I think it's so unfair when
you were not a coach and you were an analyst,
it's so unfair to put analysts in a position to
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predict this tournament because it kind of wears credibility, and
it's unfair to you guys to put you in that spot. Doug,
who's your final four?
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Well?
Speaker 4 (21:33):
I don't fucking know, Like who, Why would I know that?
That's that's what you should tell people. So overnight experts
on the NCAA tournament. That's my first uh item that's
annoying me today.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Oh, they're super annoying. They're super annoying.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
It's uh, it's a lot like you know group projects,
right where the person who kind of parachutes in on
the end of the project like cyclic way, why'd you
do this?
Speaker 3 (21:59):
And what is this? And I don't like that?
Speaker 2 (22:00):
And like, well, we've been working on this for like
five months. And there's there's actually someone who works at
Fox Sports Radio who I saw yesterday put out on
social media that they one team peaked too early, one
team improved late. And I was like, well, the team
that peaked too early lost their best player to injury
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in the conference tournament, and yeah, that is kind of irreplaceable.
So yeah, it's just it's really tiresome, it really is.
And we talked about the start of the pod, how
I've been so engaged in this sport for so long,
and while being more engaged than ever on my team,
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my level on many levels, could not care a fucking
amount less about other conferences or net rankings or whatever.
But the people who it's it's not the people who
are overnight experts. It's the ones who are overnight experts
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who claim to be who act with authority like they
know what they're talking about. Like the people go like, hey, look,
I haven't fallen all year, but I just watched a
little bit, Like I think Colin does a good job
of saying, like I don't watch it all the time,
but just a thought in watching it. Those people I'm
okay with, And I'm glad that you say that. That
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people who are analysts, you're trying to predict something completely unpredictable.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
You are you.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Are, and you know, it's like, it's always amazing to
me that. I mean, I was in the not necessarily
prediction but the bracket game for twenty two years, and
most years better than most, but some years you'd have
complete sinkers, and you're like, it's not a question of
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how much you know it's just like sometimes it doesn't
work out that way, you know, or there's lots of
things we don't know. I'll never forget my final game
my senior season in the Elite Eight in two thousand.
Brian Montnati, who is our starting power forward, was definitely ill.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
The night before the game.
Speaker 2 (24:14):
Fred Yon seen, our starting center, became ill, like right
before the game. I got sick, and a couple other
guys got sick as soon as we got home. So
we weren't feeling great. And Florida was really really good,
and our game plan quite honestly sucked.
Speaker 3 (24:29):
It just did.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
And I think part of the reason the game plan
sucked was they had an assistant coach who had played
for our coach, John Pelfries's name. Pelle has been a
head coach at I think it was a head coach
at Arkansas for a while.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
So anyway, Pelle.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Was at our practice that year for about a week
as an assistant at Florida. Why well, because they were
struggling with their defensive concepts and installation of their defense,
and so he came to see his old coaches team play,
you know. So then when we played Florida, pel obviously
had the scattered report. I think our guys were super
concerned that he knew like all the state held secrets,
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so we kind of acted out of self in our preparation. Anyway,
none of these things are things that anyone in real
life knows, even analysts. So yeah, I mean, it's it's
kind of dumb to act like you know it all
along when you just started watching college basketball two weeks ago.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
PJ. Washington plays for the Mavericks. He was shooting a
free throw or somebody was shooting a free throw yesterday
and a mass fan shouted fire Nico. PJ. Washington confronted
the fans said shut your ass up. According to witnesses,
PJ was asked about it after the game.
Speaker 7 (25:49):
Yeah, I mean, at the end of the day, the
trades happened. We understand we have a new team now.
All that fire and neco stuff, we're sticking tired of
hearing it. We just want to go out there and play.
The fans they support us no matter who's in the floor.
So that's just how I feel about it.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
I don't know how many things are wrong with that quote,
but fans do not have to support you no matter
who you are, No matter what the team is, they
do not have to support you, especially if they've been
over extended to get season tickets or to take their
family to a game. They have the right to boo you.
They have the right to say whatever they want legally,
(26:24):
not harassingly, and they can't threaten your life. But they
paid the price to buy that ticket, they could say
whatever they want. When you say trades happen, everything that's
happened since the very second this trade was made has
proved that this was not just another trade. I think
(26:45):
the Mavericks wildly miscalculated how much this would hurt fans.
I don't think anybody realized how much it would, and
I think they're still feeling the impact of it. I
think it's been a great experience and how much fans
are willing to put up with when you trade their
favorite player. Anyways, PJ Washington annoying. Almost everything he said
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in that quote is wrong.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Uh, here's where I'll meet you halfway. I do think
that the most of the quote is wrong, okay, But
what all he has to say is, Hey, you know,
Jalen Brunson became a superstar when.
Speaker 3 (27:34):
He left here.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
We made the NBA Finals, Chris tops Prizingis went to
beat us in the finals, but we went to the
NBA Finals. So the same guy that you're criticizing now
you hailed as an incredible GM just a couple months ago.
And oh yeah, by the way, like you're judging us
without Anthony Davis, without Kyrie Irving, So.
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Give a bit of a break.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
I know nobody gives you a break, and that's kind
of what he's asking for. So I'll meet you kind
of halfway, but there is a certain I'll just be
honest with Jason. I think fucking fans are fucking idiots
in Dallas. I just the whole thing is fucking stupid,
and we have basketball analysts who fuel that. Like, again,
I would not have traded Luka Doncik. This goes a
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little bit to the first part. But there's a ton
that we don't know, right, we don't know. And yeah,
they kind of said the weight thing, they kind of
said the habits thing.
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
My guess is what they're telling us is just a
fraction of He was a complossal fucking pain in the
fucking ass, colossal pain in the ass, and Anthony Davis,
who had not kept himself in great shape has been
injury prone, had a relationship with the GM and that
was the best they thought they could do in terms
of trading him for a star. And again, we don't
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have We have no sense of how good Anthony Davis
was going to be or how good that team was
going to be because a series of things have gone wrong.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
But this idea that like you can go from.
Speaker 2 (29:08):
Building a championship team to a complete fucking idiot with
one trade, I don't know it just to me it
it defies logic to me, and I understand that being
a fan is illogical.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
But we've reached this point.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
I again, I have heard people say it did matter
if the Dallas Mavericks would have won an NBA championship,
it would have been a bad trade. That's the stupidest
fucking thing I've ever fucking heard in my entire fucking life.
Nico Harrison's sole job is to put the best product
on the floor. It's the same conversation, by the way,
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we've had about hiring black coaches or in the NFL.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Right by the way, Nico is black.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
He traded a white guy for nobody fucking cares all
they're supposed to care about in sports anybody cares about
in sports is what gives us the greatest chance to
win a championship now and into the future. And in
his professional opinion, he staked everything, he put everything on
the line that I think Anthony Davis at a lower
(30:18):
number gives us a better consistent chance of winning a
championship than Luka Doncikis.
Speaker 3 (30:22):
We're allowed to disagree, but we still.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Don't really have a true sense of what that would
actually look like, right, because they've never been whole so
economy you halfway do. I think he's talking about some
fantasy that they just support the team and believe in
the team no matter what.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
Yeah, that's a fantasy. You're right.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
On the other hand, there's apparently no equity in all
they accomplished last season with the exact same general manager
who made some a series of very difficult decisions and
some late season trades in or to make it work.
Speaker 4 (30:56):
I bet out of the hundreds of thousands of people
that down the this podcast every day, maybe three people
know that Major League Baseball starts tomorrow in about eighteen hours.
Major League Baseball starts its season at six am Eastern
three am Pacific time. The Dodgers and Cubs are going
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to be played in a two game Tokyo series to
start the season, official games, not exhibition games. They're going
to play two games, and then the official opening day
for Major League Baseball is a twenty seven. I spend
a lot of time on this podcast harping on the
decisions made by Major League Baseball. But to do this,
especially during like a week of the college basketball tournament,
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just to kind of bury your opening day under all
this garbage and then have it at three am Pacific
time where Los Angeles market, the Los Angeles market can't
watch it live unless they really want to wake up.
I think that's very annoying.
Speaker 7 (31:57):
That's baseball.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
Yeah, I think there's a greater We had a little
bit of this discussion on the radio show. I think
there's a greater discussion. I actually think it's brilliant. I
just do because so many people go to Vegas for
the first two days of the NCAA tournament that they're
just watching sports at all hours, and those are like
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hardcore sports gambling fans. The other part, too, it is
the NFL has kind of taken over this thing that
Major League Baseball has done, and now Major League Baseball
is smartly doing it on their own, which is you
got expand right, Like we're kind of tapped out as
fans here in the United States and you have sho
hee o Tani. Like if they've done the exhibition game
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thing there before, they've done it, it didn't move the
needle at all. So they're trying real games with the
biggest star in baseball, with the defending World Series champions.
I actually a league disagree with you on this one.
I think you're annoy because you can't watch your team
play right, which is fine, Like you personalize it and
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you're like you rationalize you like I ain't staying up
till two am. I'm I'm just not what you're allowed
to do. But it's not necessarily for you. In order
for the game to be healthy, they have to continue
to grow and bridge those international markets. And the one
market that loves baseball more so than anybody in America
(33:26):
could ever comprehend is Japan. So they're bringing Japan the
actual best product, you know, like where's the NFL. We
go over there, and the game time starts at different times, right,
and we give how many times we're gonna give them
the Jaguars or the shit teams. We gave them the
Dodgers and their biggest star and the biggest star in baseball,
and we give them a real game. I think it's
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really smart business from Major League Baseball that doesn't always
do smart business.
Speaker 3 (33:52):
This one is a smart one.
Speaker 4 (33:54):
So PJ. Washington Overnight NCAA Tournament experts and the.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Toe Overnight nca over Night nc experiences.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Why are we doing this? Because we can?
Speaker 3 (34:15):
What you got from Jay? But what's what's because we can?
Speaker 4 (34:18):
Sounds are technical producer. Can you say pussy on over
the air waves on the over the airwaves? No, you
can't say pussy right, Okay, you mean you could say
pussy Willow, but I wouldn't recommend that either. That's an
old Howard Stern private parts thing. And this, uh, this
qualifies because we can. It's Auburn coach Bruce Bruce pearl
(34:39):
on with the uh. I don't even know what it was,
some kind of SEC tournament coverage.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
That's a lot of people the kind of balance and
the hands to get it, save it and never got
down the ball down the floor. The key to our
free point line defense is I got big ZI can.
Speaker 4 (34:53):
Get out their guard guards.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
I got big zicking out there guard guards, and my
guards are pussy don't want to go down there.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
Bag a little bit.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
So good, so good.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
It is honestly the one of the more used words
in the English Dictionary in the English vernacular to describe
the toughest level of basketball players, specifically Bruce saying the
quiet part out loud on live TV is fantastic. By
the way, if you win, you say where the fuck
you want? And why do we know that?
Speaker 3 (35:30):
Because we can. That's it for the end the Moments podcast.
Speaker 2 (35:32):
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