May 2, 2025 • 26 mins
Doug riffs on Gregg Popovich's legacy. Doug reacts to Chris Broussard's take on Lebron's future. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying. Plus, Mikal Bridges makes today's edition of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What up Doug Gottlieb Show. In the bonus Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio.
App Hey, welcome in Hope. You're doing great. Yeah, you know. Look,
I think that the issue with Greg Popovich who it
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becomes official he retires today as head coach, he becomes
the president of the Spurs, which ironically is how he
kind of he was the GM and he named himself
the head coach, is that when he started off as
head coach, he was a little known guy in terms
of the national coaching perspective. So the interesting part about
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Greg Popovitch's if you remember back, Jerry Tarkanian had the job,
then he left in his first year, like I don't know,
like a month in he left, and then Jerry Lucas
and then Bob Hill was the head coach, and then
he replaced Bob Hill. He's like, I'm gonna name myself
the head coach. What's interesting and unique.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
About about pop.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Is that he's a guy who injected himself, just like
Steve Kerr, into the political conversation. Now again, if we
track every part about it. I would say that it
was probably semi impossible during COVID, during a lot of
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the protests to not, especially as a white head coach,
not say something, but plenty of other coaches did not.
Part of it was he was a championship coach, he
was the oldest coach, he was respect to coach, and
he didn't care. I do think that his politics, in
some people's minds, affect his legacy, some in a positive way,
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some in a negative way. Should it, of course it shouldn't.
Like I don't actually care who he supports, and I'm
sure you don't actually care either, Like no one's going
to a basketball and be like, hey go Spurs go.
Wait wait, Pop doesn't like Trump. Wait I voted for Trump,
And I guess we're supposed to think that way.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
From the coaching perspective, I think he's amazing, not just
because they've won, not just because he's kind of a philosopher,
but also because he's won with different styles. You know,
when they won the first title, they had David Robinson,
they had Tim Duncan. They they ran like kind of
high low offense at two post offense, and then as
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their personnel adjusted. As the game adjusted, they adjusted to it.
They had a ton of success with foreign born players,
probably the first I would I would say, to have
that level of success with Mono Tony Parker, and then
later on Boris Diao. They also were ahead of the
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curve in terms of load management and sitting guys and
playing for the playoffs. There's a lot of brilliance there.
But I do wonder, if you know, for the next
couple of years, I think they'll still be that sort
of knee jerk from the Republican side that you know,
he was, you know, political zealot. He was so liberal
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that it's hard to watch him. But I do wonder
how that affects his legacy all time because the Spurs,
because they didn't win back to back titles, were never
deemed to be a legacy, right, They were.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Never tend to have a legacy.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
What's it called when you when you're dominant, like you
don't have they don't have their own era. There was
no Spurs era, so they didn't run the league for
three or four years, even though they were in the
finals for a couple of years right around and won
a championship against the The Miami Heat when they should
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have very well been counted out. Like all of those
things did in fact happen. They won multiple championships spread
out over over a decade. He's remarkably successful, brilliant as
a guy, beloved by people in his circle. But we're
kidding ourselves if we didn't say that. When the political
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climate changed and became incredibly divisive, he ran into that fire.
And I do think that will change for some people
how he's used. Not for me, I don't care, but
I do think for some people that's going to change
how he's judged.
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Speaker 3 (05:25):
Previous radio show.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Here's Dan Patrick talking about how the Pistons chose to
guard Jalen Brunson in the final possession of the game
last night.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Praise Jalen Brunson. He's a wonderful player. We know what
he does in the playoffs. He's averaged thirty points per
game in thirty playoff games with the Knicks. The only
player in the history of the franchise who's averaged more
is Bernard King, and it was just a tick more.
The Pistons did a really good job with Brunson. But
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how many times do I have to say this? The
best player is not going to beat me. He's labeled
the most clutch player in the NBA. They gave him
an award that says that's the most clutched guy in
the NBA. No, there was an award. Get This might
be the first year, but he certainly earned it. The
problem I have is you must make somebody else beat you.
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And Thompson did a wonderful job. He did for the
most of the night, for most of the series, he
did a wonderful job. The game is on the line,
he was forcing him to go left and maybe he
was going to get a double team there, but he
went back. I got to send two people at him
and Brunson gives up the ball.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Can somebody try this, please? That's all that guy can
beat me. I don't want him to beat me. How
about I send two guys.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I get the sentiment.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
So, guys, I'm watching this play and I understand the idea.
I'm honestly I'm with it. I do get the idea
of Rule number one is take away what the other
team does best, and what the other team does best
is Jalen Brunson at the end of games. But with
Carl Town's fouling out. If you watch the game and
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you watch the play, you know Josh Hart is on
the weak side, so you could when they come up
to set what's called a ghost streen, you could, you know,
double him, and then Michale Bridges will be open and
Josh hart'sky can rotate, and all of a sudden you're
in rotation. But what happens there is in modern NBA basketball,
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somebody gets a wide open shot, and they will get
a wide open shot in a place where you get
a white up a shot in a place where they
are most likely to make it, right, most likely to
make it.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
And I get it. Like Jalen Brunson is a great player.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
It's a hard one because I would guess if you
add the pistons, you'd be like we have the Thompson
twins are in the conversation of the two best on
ball defenders in the league. You know, it was just
it's one of those In the NBA they say great defense,
better offense. That's really what it kind of comes down to,
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great defense, better offense. So you know, I get it.
It sounds good, it feels good to say, but in reality,
you're gonna give up a wide open shot, which you
end up giving up anyway, right, wide open shot. Yeah,
it's you're kind of damn if you're doing damn show,
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You're you're talking more result than you are process. And again,
I don't think it's a dumb thing to say, Like
sometimes people say things that are just stupid and you're like, yeah,
that's not it. And you know, Dan's knows enough basketball.
He played basketball, he's you know, he's covered and he's
called games. He knows all that that stuff. So it's
not like he's saying something dumb. But but it just again,
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remember in the modern NBA, we almost never double team.
I'd almost I'd kind of sort of like to see it,
just because how often does it happen anymore when somebody
puts two on the ball. But the reason that nobody
puts two on the ball, is well, then somebody's wide open.
And NBA players don't miss open shots. Now, maybe game
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on the line, maybe it's different. Maybe you're forcing somebody
else to be clutched. Maybe it's different. And I do
think that the only sort of overrated part of Jalen
Brunson is his passing. He's just an okay passer. But
I think with the particular lineup they had the spacing
that they had, you put two on the ball, and
he's gonna make you pay, and he may, by the way,
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get a wide open shot. When that ball's you can
also what's called boomerang, which means he comes off and
gets double teamed, he passes, and now you're in rotation,
you throw it right back to him, and now he's
got a distinct advantage. So it does sound really good
and it's not the dumbest thing ever said, But in
the modern NBA, it's really really hard to put two
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on the basketball because when you do, somebody's wide open.
And as I said, NBA players don't miss open shots.
Here's Chris Bussard talking about Lebron's future.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
He's already the best forty year old ever he's already
won four rings, like anything else is just gravy. So
when he does lose like this, it certainly doesn't deem
or take anything away. Even though he had a great
teammate Luca, he's forty years old, and even though he's
still playing great, he's forty years old and the best
we've ever seen at this level. That said, what I
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will say, you did see a little like during this
season it was like his best year in a few
years as far as I'm concerned. And you did see
a little decline in the playoffs, whether it was fatigue,
he wasn't as strong in the clutch, you know, as
he had been in the regular season.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
So I think you saw that.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
But I'll say this, and he may look with Luca there.
I did think a couple of years ago he was
not gonna win another championship. I would lean towards saying
that now. But with Luca there, if they make the
right moves, he could have a shot. If he's still
very good next year. And I think Nick he's got
the one ring, which is what he had to do
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in La. All the greats at his level that went
to the Lakers won a ring. I think to become
a Laker great.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
He has to win another ring.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
And by that I mean he's he right now, He's
like Will he's an all time great player that played
for the Lakers. But Magic, Kareem, Shaq, Kobe, those are
the Laker greats.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I've been saying that for years, right right, Jason, that
Lebron's a great player who played for the Lakers, not
an all time great Laker. The issue here is like
he's not going anywhere else. The Lakers, like anything else
is just plaver And I think if you're really honest
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with yourself, he's not just retiring because he's not as
good as he used to be. Right this might I
want to make sure this comes out right. Lebron James
has a gigantic ego, But the other part is.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Shouldn't he right?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Like it can be really off putting to us and
go like, yeah, he just he's you know, he's never
gotten over himself and he's just so full of himself
and he never takes accountability and.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah buth.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
But again, like when enough people tell you the greatest
basketball player they've ever seen play basketball. Wouldn't you have
an ego? Of course you would, of course you would.
So again, it sounds really good. It sounds really really
good for people to say, hey, Ron James is you
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know he could retire, he could change teams like the
Lakers drafted his son and gave his son a four
year guaranteed contract. Okay, that that is. That's that's more
commitment than a tattoo of a of your wife. Right,
that's he's going to be a Laker. They did him
a soilid. They allowed his son to play an opening
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night despite the fact he had no qualifications.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Was not close to good enough.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Right, they opened themselves up to any amount of criticism,
and they had never said a negative word about Bronnie ever.
Why because they want to remain in Lebron's good graces, right,
want to remain it in Lebron's good graces.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
So he's not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
He's also not retiring because if you have an ego
that big, you want people to kiss the ring on
the way out. He's going to do a retirement tour,
you know, just Hey, I'm done, that's it. I don't
believe it for a second. Don't believe. For second, here's
Brady Quinn talking about the Titans announcing the first overall
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pick cam Ward.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
We'll have to earn the starting job at.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Quarterback, especially considering the situation Brian Callahan's in, it felt
like it was a little bit iffy whether or not
he was going to make it past year one. Now
you're in the year or two, you're thinking he's one
of the coaches you're probably looking at around the NFL
saying they need to show improvement, and even drafting a
quarterback number one overall isn't going to save them if
things don't go well. So I don't know why we
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do this because all it is is kind of that
charade of a dog and pony show to make the
coaches feel like, well, he earned it.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
He checked that box for us, okay, But the truth
of the matter is the guy who he's competing with
already gave it up. He had that spot you pointed
in the spot, he gave it up, and that's why
you made the decision to move on to someone else.
So whether or not you feel like it's important for
him to earn it, and I understand, there life less
there and there's places for that this is going to
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be something that I feel like backfires when you watch
a young man play better in the second half of
his rookie season than he does the first half because
he was splitting reps, getting half the amount of reps,
the physical reps that you need as a quarterback to
prepare yourself with the other guy.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I mean I see both sides of it. You know,
it's like, do you want to make him earn it,
you know, in front of the team.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
On the other hand, do you really want to make
him earn it when you know he's going to start
eventually Anyway, I think it's more cam Wort's type of
guy that will gladly earn it. It's not gonna affect him.
There's the confidence of he's the number one overall pick.
He's going to eventually play. So I'm with Brady in
that you don't want him to just split reps. But
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I think splitting reps also allows you to watch some
and watch how a guy who's done it does it,
and then you can.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Do it yourself even better. That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
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Speaker 3 (16:10):
Let's find out who or what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 8 (16:23):
Doug.
Speaker 9 (16:23):
Jason Stark of The Athletic and Ken Rosenthal of The
Athletic have uncovered something. A reported piece on Thursday night
detailing Major League Baseball strike zone and how it appears
to be calling called differently this year. I guess because
the league has changed the way they are judging umpires.
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The strike zone has shrunk by an inch and a
half according to metrics, and the players are not happy
with this. Doug. If only there was if only there
was something out there that eliminated the subjectivity of human umpires.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
If only there was, right, Yeah, Like, look, we've reached
that point where AI will replace umpires, right, and it's
just weird. It's been available in the minor leagues for
years and we've kind of slow rolled into Major League
Baseball and finally it will in fact happen. But yeah,
it's painfully slow. I don't mind the human error.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I don't. I just don't.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I do think that's part of the beauty of sports.
I think we're trying to perfect something that is imperfect.
But if we want to get it perfectly right, there
is a better way.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
You are correct.
Speaker 9 (17:44):
There is a story. I don't know if you saw this,
but Nick Saban introduced our sitting president for the Alabama
commencement and he told a specific story about when Saban
went to the White House with his team in twenty
eighteen or nineteen.
Speaker 10 (18:06):
Trump, I have to tell you a story. You know,
you all know that we win a national championship, we
get to go to the White House and it's a
great experience for our players and each and every year.
When we won in twenty seventeen, President Trump was there
twenty eighteen, very gracious host, and he's the first president
that invited us to come in the over Office. So
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I take the three captains in the over office and
President's really nice to everybody, and he's got this very big,
good looking, auspicious box on his desk that has a
red button on top. And one of the players said,
is that what you launed some missiles with? And he said, well,
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push it and find out. Player said, no, I don't
want to do that. He said, oh, go ahead, go ahead,
go ahead. Push it, see what happens.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Find out.
Speaker 10 (18:58):
So Rashaun Evans finally got the guts up, went over,
pushed the red button. Some lady came in with a
coke on a tray.
Speaker 9 (19:09):
So I'm gonna call bullshit, and what's annoying about this story?
And I understand that when you're a storyteller that you
tend to embellish you. You have to maybe add some
things that didn't happen, or maybe exaggerate some things that did.
I just find it hard to believe that the player
was hesitant to push the button to cause World War
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three the off chance that it would launch missiles. He
was hesitant to push the button otherwise it's a funny story,
But I just called bullshit on that.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Though, you're that you're becoming that guy. Though, if we're
really going to parse a story of a master storyteller
like Nick Saban, right, you realize you're becoming that guy.
You know I was't going to get fish this big.
You're the one standing behind him, go like it was
a guppy year. He didn't actually catch a fish. You're right,
it's way too far fetched in everybody bought in.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
But it's also a just a story.
Speaker 9 (20:04):
What right?
Speaker 8 (20:04):
The egregious part was probably it was absolutely diet coke,
not not full sugar coke.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
No, No, he's full sugar coat. I think, I think you.
Speaker 8 (20:11):
Know Nick saban is. But Trump is a diet coke guy,
is he? Yeah, Chris is right, Yeah, well known, well
known diet coke. I think he goes two cases a
day or something.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I don't know, but that stuff is so gross. Yeah, Like,
do you remember soda? Do you remember drinking soda? I
used to love soda.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
My mom would drinks a lot of diet coke. The
trick is just a little bit of lime juice.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Uh yeah, a little lemon, I do. My dad did
a little lemonade. Lemon did the trick.
Speaker 9 (20:42):
I don't know if you saw today, but Becky Hammond's
name was in the news.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Now.
Speaker 9 (20:46):
Becky Hammond used to be an assistant with Greg Popovich, who,
of course, like we lead the show with today, he
has stepped down as a head coach. He's still going
to be the president. They've promoted the interim head coach.
So what's his face? Shams? Shams. He was on ESPN
earlier today and he said that Becky Hammond would be
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a great choice. Okay, So I don't know much about basketball, Doug,
you do, but just from like the outside looking in,
the Spurs have back to back rookie of the years,
and one of them is I've been told is a
once in a generational talent. They added Dear and Fox,
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I'm guessing that's the nucleus of a very good team
in the future. Do you really think they would trust
that just to make the first women head coaching hire
in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
No.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I mean, listen, what Jason said was, there's two parts
to it. One it's either pandering, right, pandering to a
crowd that's like, yeah, it's time. Or two, it is
completely detached from understanding the Spurs organization and how they
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feel about Becky Hammond. Okay, remember Becky Hammond. Yeah, she
had her first year with Las Vegas. They won the
WNBA title, They had a stacked roster. She did a
good job with the best roster in the league. Weren't
as good last year, But she would not be coaching
in the w if Greg Popovich thought she was the
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right pick to be her successor, if he thought and
what I had been told, and remember she had interviewed
for a Portland job and whatever is she generally wasn't
well liked in the Spurs organization as a coach, not
as a person.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Just they didn't think she was.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
A good enough coach to have as an assistant coach there, right, Like,
you don't leave an assistant job in the NBA with
the Spurs to be a WNBA.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Head to be a WNBA head coach.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Usually when you're a WNBA head coaches when you lose
your job in the NBA or you can't get a
job in the NBA. Now maybe Las Vegas people view
it as different. I'm just telling you what I heard
her in San Antonio, which was wasn't beloved. And yeah,
it's the classic pandering time for a woman coach. Becky Hammond,
she's been on the bench there. There's a reason she's
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not there anymore.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
I think it's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I just if it's a total pandering, he's.
Speaker 9 (23:25):
Been intellectually dishonest. It sounds good like of course it
got on my timeline, so it did the work. I
guess it got the clicks, but I just so funny.
It goes against any logic. But so the strike zone
complaints the Nick Saban's story that had some bs in it,
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and then this pandering of Becky Hammond here. Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I think the pandering to Becky Hammond is like again,
I don't agree with a good portion of the rhetoric
and style of the current administration that's been stated and
that's been known. But one of the things that the
rhetoric has done is it's cut out some of this bullshit. Right,
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Let's be honest. The spurs are not turned as you said,
They're not turning Wemby and uh, what's the kid's name
from Yukon, who's the Brookie of the castle? Yes, yes,
Stefan Castle. We're not not turning Stefan Castle, Wemby and
Daron Fox over to somebody who they didn't enjoy as
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an assistant coach there. It's just just because she's a woman.
So so the one thing that we have cut out
generally form most discussions outside of sports is the panduring.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
This is blatant pandering and it's annoyed.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I do.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Because we can.
Speaker 9 (25:02):
I'm gonna go with the pronunciation of Mikyle Bridges Mikyle
Bridges Cale you know up in the next one in
dramatic fashion. Last night he was on a live interview
network radio or network TV interview and he said.
Speaker 11 (25:19):
This mckel congratulations, thanks, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 10 (25:23):
Let's go.
Speaker 11 (25:24):
The first question is down seven two and a half
to go. The time out called what was discussed in
the huddle?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
What were you guys like in the huddle? We built
for the ship.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
That's all it is.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
We built for it. That's all I'm saying. Sorry, sorry,
but we built for it. That's all it was. Stay
with it, stay positive, and to stay fighting. We built
for it. That's all. That's all I know. So good.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I kind of feel like we've passed the point to
where the word shit bothers people, especially when you put
it in the contextcept we're built for this shit.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
But we're built for it. We're built for this shit.
Good net for me. Why could we play for you?
Because we can't.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
That's it for the In the Modus podcast, you got
the radio show every day three to five eastern, twelve
two Pacific on Fox Sports Trader of the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Have a great weekend. I'm Doug Otling.
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What up Doug Gottlieb Show. In the bonus Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio.
App Hey, welcome in Hope. You're doing great. Yeah, you know. Look,
I think that the issue with Greg Popovich who it
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becomes official he retires today as head coach, he becomes
the president of the Spurs, which ironically is how he
kind of he was the GM and he named himself
the head coach, is that when he started off as
head coach, he was a little known guy in terms
of the national coaching perspective. So the interesting part about
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Greg Popovitch's if you remember back, Jerry Tarkanian had the job,
then he left in his first year, like I don't know,
like a month in he left, and then Jerry Lucas
and then Bob Hill was the head coach, and then
he replaced Bob Hill. He's like, I'm gonna name myself
the head coach. What's interesting and unique.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
About about pop.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Is that he's a guy who injected himself, just like
Steve Kerr, into the political conversation. Now again, if we
track every part about it. I would say that it
was probably semi impossible during COVID, during a lot of
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the protests to not, especially as a white head coach,
not say something, but plenty of other coaches did not.
Part of it was he was a championship coach, he
was the oldest coach, he was respect to coach, and
he didn't care. I do think that his politics, in
some people's minds, affect his legacy, some in a positive way,
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some in a negative way. Should it, of course it shouldn't.
Like I don't actually care who he supports, and I'm
sure you don't actually care either, Like no one's going
to a basketball and be like, hey go Spurs go.
Wait wait, Pop doesn't like Trump. Wait I voted for Trump,
And I guess we're supposed to think that way.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:36):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
From the coaching perspective, I think he's amazing, not just
because they've won, not just because he's kind of a philosopher,
but also because he's won with different styles. You know,
when they won the first title, they had David Robinson,
they had Tim Duncan. They they ran like kind of
high low offense at two post offense, and then as
(02:59):
their personnel adjusted. As the game adjusted, they adjusted to it.
They had a ton of success with foreign born players,
probably the first I would I would say, to have
that level of success with Mono Tony Parker, and then
later on Boris Diao. They also were ahead of the
(03:21):
curve in terms of load management and sitting guys and
playing for the playoffs. There's a lot of brilliance there.
But I do wonder, if you know, for the next
couple of years, I think they'll still be that sort
of knee jerk from the Republican side that you know,
he was, you know, political zealot. He was so liberal
(03:42):
that it's hard to watch him. But I do wonder
how that affects his legacy all time because the Spurs,
because they didn't win back to back titles, were never
deemed to be a legacy, right, They were.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
Never tend to have a legacy.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
What's it called when you when you're dominant, like you
don't have they don't have their own era. There was
no Spurs era, so they didn't run the league for
three or four years, even though they were in the
finals for a couple of years right around and won
a championship against the The Miami Heat when they should
(04:21):
have very well been counted out. Like all of those
things did in fact happen. They won multiple championships spread
out over over a decade. He's remarkably successful, brilliant as
a guy, beloved by people in his circle. But we're
kidding ourselves if we didn't say that. When the political
(04:42):
climate changed and became incredibly divisive, he ran into that fire.
And I do think that will change for some people
how he's used. Not for me, I don't care, but
I do think for some people that's going to change
how he's judged.
Speaker 1 (04:59):
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Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 2 (05:10):
Let's let's get to what the Fox said and now
every day at this time in the Bonus Podcast. Here
in the Doug Gottlieb Show on Fox Sports Radio, we
play for you a portion of a.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Previous radio show.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Here's Dan Patrick talking about how the Pistons chose to
guard Jalen Brunson in the final possession of the game
last night.
Speaker 4 (05:33):
Praise Jalen Brunson. He's a wonderful player. We know what
he does in the playoffs. He's averaged thirty points per
game in thirty playoff games with the Knicks. The only
player in the history of the franchise who's averaged more
is Bernard King, and it was just a tick more.
The Pistons did a really good job with Brunson. But
(05:54):
how many times do I have to say this? The
best player is not going to beat me. He's labeled
the most clutch player in the NBA. They gave him
an award that says that's the most clutched guy in
the NBA. No, there was an award. Get This might
be the first year, but he certainly earned it. The
problem I have is you must make somebody else beat you.
(06:20):
And Thompson did a wonderful job. He did for the
most of the night, for most of the series, he
did a wonderful job. The game is on the line,
he was forcing him to go left and maybe he
was going to get a double team there, but he
went back. I got to send two people at him
and Brunson gives up the ball.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
Can somebody try this, please? That's all that guy can
beat me. I don't want him to beat me. How
about I send two guys.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
I get the sentiment.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
So, guys, I'm watching this play and I understand the idea.
I'm honestly I'm with it. I do get the idea
of Rule number one is take away what the other
team does best, and what the other team does best
is Jalen Brunson at the end of games. But with
Carl Town's fouling out. If you watch the game and
(07:17):
you watch the play, you know Josh Hart is on
the weak side, so you could when they come up
to set what's called a ghost streen, you could, you know,
double him, and then Michale Bridges will be open and
Josh hart'sky can rotate, and all of a sudden you're
in rotation. But what happens there is in modern NBA basketball,
(07:38):
somebody gets a wide open shot, and they will get
a wide open shot in a place where you get
a white up a shot in a place where they
are most likely to make it, right, most likely to
make it.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
And I get it. Like Jalen Brunson is a great player.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
It's a hard one because I would guess if you
add the pistons, you'd be like we have the Thompson
twins are in the conversation of the two best on
ball defenders in the league. You know, it was just
it's one of those In the NBA they say great defense,
better offense. That's really what it kind of comes down to,
(08:17):
great defense, better offense. So you know, I get it.
It sounds good, it feels good to say, but in reality,
you're gonna give up a wide open shot, which you
end up giving up anyway, right, wide open shot. Yeah,
it's you're kind of damn if you're doing damn show,
(08:39):
You're you're talking more result than you are process. And again,
I don't think it's a dumb thing to say, Like
sometimes people say things that are just stupid and you're like, yeah,
that's not it. And you know, Dan's knows enough basketball.
He played basketball, he's you know, he's covered and he's
called games. He knows all that that stuff. So it's
not like he's saying something dumb. But but it just again,
(09:01):
remember in the modern NBA, we almost never double team.
I'd almost I'd kind of sort of like to see it,
just because how often does it happen anymore when somebody
puts two on the ball. But the reason that nobody
puts two on the ball, is well, then somebody's wide open.
And NBA players don't miss open shots. Now, maybe game
(09:22):
on the line, maybe it's different. Maybe you're forcing somebody
else to be clutched. Maybe it's different. And I do
think that the only sort of overrated part of Jalen
Brunson is his passing. He's just an okay passer. But
I think with the particular lineup they had the spacing
that they had, you put two on the ball, and
he's gonna make you pay, and he may, by the way,
(09:43):
get a wide open shot. When that ball's you can
also what's called boomerang, which means he comes off and
gets double teamed, he passes, and now you're in rotation,
you throw it right back to him, and now he's
got a distinct advantage. So it does sound really good
and it's not the dumbest thing ever said, But in
the modern NBA, it's really really hard to put two
(10:05):
on the basketball because when you do, somebody's wide open.
And as I said, NBA players don't miss open shots.
Here's Chris Bussard talking about Lebron's future.
Speaker 5 (10:15):
He's already the best forty year old ever he's already
won four rings, like anything else is just gravy. So
when he does lose like this, it certainly doesn't deem
or take anything away. Even though he had a great
teammate Luca, he's forty years old, and even though he's
still playing great, he's forty years old and the best
we've ever seen at this level. That said, what I
(10:37):
will say, you did see a little like during this
season it was like his best year in a few
years as far as I'm concerned. And you did see
a little decline in the playoffs, whether it was fatigue,
he wasn't as strong in the clutch, you know, as
he had been in the regular season.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
So I think you saw that.
Speaker 5 (10:55):
But I'll say this, and he may look with Luca there.
I did think a couple of years ago he was
not gonna win another championship. I would lean towards saying
that now. But with Luca there, if they make the
right moves, he could have a shot. If he's still
very good next year. And I think Nick he's got
the one ring, which is what he had to do
(11:16):
in La. All the greats at his level that went
to the Lakers won a ring. I think to become
a Laker great.
Speaker 3 (11:25):
He has to win another ring.
Speaker 5 (11:27):
And by that I mean he's he right now, He's
like Will he's an all time great player that played
for the Lakers. But Magic, Kareem, Shaq, Kobe, those are
the Laker greats.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
I've been saying that for years, right right, Jason, that
Lebron's a great player who played for the Lakers, not
an all time great Laker. The issue here is like
he's not going anywhere else. The Lakers, like anything else
is just plaver And I think if you're really honest
(12:06):
with yourself, he's not just retiring because he's not as
good as he used to be. Right this might I
want to make sure this comes out right. Lebron James
has a gigantic ego, But the other part is.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Shouldn't he right?
Speaker 2 (12:26):
Like it can be really off putting to us and
go like, yeah, he just he's you know, he's never
gotten over himself and he's just so full of himself
and he never takes accountability and.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah buth.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
But again, like when enough people tell you the greatest
basketball player they've ever seen play basketball. Wouldn't you have
an ego? Of course you would, of course you would.
So again, it sounds really good. It sounds really really
good for people to say, hey, Ron James is you
(13:01):
know he could retire, he could change teams like the
Lakers drafted his son and gave his son a four
year guaranteed contract. Okay, that that is. That's that's more
commitment than a tattoo of a of your wife. Right,
that's he's going to be a Laker. They did him
a soilid. They allowed his son to play an opening
(13:24):
night despite the fact he had no qualifications.
Speaker 3 (13:27):
Was not close to good enough.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Right, they opened themselves up to any amount of criticism,
and they had never said a negative word about Bronnie ever.
Why because they want to remain in Lebron's good graces, right,
want to remain it in Lebron's good graces.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
So he's not going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
He's also not retiring because if you have an ego
that big, you want people to kiss the ring on
the way out. He's going to do a retirement tour,
you know, just Hey, I'm done, that's it. I don't
believe it for a second. Don't believe. For second, here's
Brady Quinn talking about the Titans announcing the first overall
(14:07):
pick cam Ward.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
We'll have to earn the starting job at.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
Quarterback, especially considering the situation Brian Callahan's in, it felt
like it was a little bit iffy whether or not
he was going to make it past year one. Now
you're in the year or two, you're thinking he's one
of the coaches you're probably looking at around the NFL
saying they need to show improvement, and even drafting a
quarterback number one overall isn't going to save them if
things don't go well. So I don't know why we
(14:32):
do this because all it is is kind of that
charade of a dog and pony show to make the
coaches feel like, well, he earned it.
Speaker 7 (14:40):
He checked that box for us, okay, But the truth
of the matter is the guy who he's competing with
already gave it up. He had that spot you pointed
in the spot, he gave it up, and that's why
you made the decision to move on to someone else.
So whether or not you feel like it's important for
him to earn it, and I understand, there life less
there and there's places for that this is going to
(15:03):
be something that I feel like backfires when you watch
a young man play better in the second half of
his rookie season than he does the first half because
he was splitting reps, getting half the amount of reps,
the physical reps that you need as a quarterback to
prepare yourself with the other guy.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
I mean I see both sides of it. You know,
it's like, do you want to make him earn it,
you know, in front of the team.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
On the other hand, do you really want to make
him earn it when you know he's going to start
eventually Anyway, I think it's more cam Wort's type of
guy that will gladly earn it. It's not gonna affect him.
There's the confidence of he's the number one overall pick.
He's going to eventually play. So I'm with Brady in
that you don't want him to just split reps. But
(15:48):
I think splitting reps also allows you to watch some
and watch how a guy who's done it does it,
and then you can.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
Do it yourself even better. That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Say you want to catch live editions of The Doug
Gottlieb Show, weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
Let's find out who or what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 8 (16:23):
Doug.
Speaker 9 (16:23):
Jason Stark of The Athletic and Ken Rosenthal of The
Athletic have uncovered something. A reported piece on Thursday night
detailing Major League Baseball strike zone and how it appears
to be calling called differently this year. I guess because
the league has changed the way they are judging umpires.
(16:44):
The strike zone has shrunk by an inch and a
half according to metrics, and the players are not happy
with this. Doug. If only there was if only there
was something out there that eliminated the subjectivity of human umpires.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
If only there was, right, Yeah, Like, look, we've reached
that point where AI will replace umpires, right, and it's
just weird. It's been available in the minor leagues for
years and we've kind of slow rolled into Major League
Baseball and finally it will in fact happen. But yeah,
it's painfully slow. I don't mind the human error.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I don't. I just don't.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I do think that's part of the beauty of sports.
I think we're trying to perfect something that is imperfect.
But if we want to get it perfectly right, there
is a better way.
Speaker 3 (17:42):
You are correct.
Speaker 9 (17:44):
There is a story. I don't know if you saw this,
but Nick Saban introduced our sitting president for the Alabama
commencement and he told a specific story about when Saban
went to the White House with his team in twenty
eighteen or nineteen.
Speaker 10 (18:06):
Trump, I have to tell you a story. You know,
you all know that we win a national championship, we
get to go to the White House and it's a
great experience for our players and each and every year.
When we won in twenty seventeen, President Trump was there
twenty eighteen, very gracious host, and he's the first president
that invited us to come in the over Office. So
(18:27):
I take the three captains in the over office and
President's really nice to everybody, and he's got this very big,
good looking, auspicious box on his desk that has a
red button on top. And one of the players said,
is that what you launed some missiles with? And he said, well,
(18:48):
push it and find out. Player said, no, I don't
want to do that. He said, oh, go ahead, go ahead,
go ahead. Push it, see what happens.
Speaker 3 (18:56):
Find out.
Speaker 10 (18:58):
So Rashaun Evans finally got the guts up, went over,
pushed the red button. Some lady came in with a
coke on a tray.
Speaker 9 (19:09):
So I'm gonna call bullshit, and what's annoying about this story?
And I understand that when you're a storyteller that you
tend to embellish you. You have to maybe add some
things that didn't happen, or maybe exaggerate some things that did.
I just find it hard to believe that the player
was hesitant to push the button to cause World War
(19:31):
three the off chance that it would launch missiles. He
was hesitant to push the button otherwise it's a funny story,
But I just called bullshit on that.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
Though, you're that you're becoming that guy. Though, if we're
really going to parse a story of a master storyteller
like Nick Saban, right, you realize you're becoming that guy.
You know I was't going to get fish this big.
You're the one standing behind him, go like it was
a guppy year. He didn't actually catch a fish. You're right,
it's way too far fetched in everybody bought in.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
But it's also a just a story.
Speaker 9 (20:04):
What right?
Speaker 8 (20:04):
The egregious part was probably it was absolutely diet coke,
not not full sugar coke.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
No, No, he's full sugar coat. I think, I think you.
Speaker 8 (20:11):
Know Nick saban is. But Trump is a diet coke guy,
is he? Yeah, Chris is right, Yeah, well known, well
known diet coke. I think he goes two cases a
day or something.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
I don't know, but that stuff is so gross. Yeah, Like,
do you remember soda? Do you remember drinking soda? I
used to love soda.
Speaker 8 (20:30):
My mom would drinks a lot of diet coke. The
trick is just a little bit of lime juice.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Uh yeah, a little lemon, I do. My dad did
a little lemonade. Lemon did the trick.
Speaker 9 (20:42):
I don't know if you saw today, but Becky Hammond's
name was in the news.
Speaker 6 (20:46):
Now.
Speaker 9 (20:46):
Becky Hammond used to be an assistant with Greg Popovich, who,
of course, like we lead the show with today, he
has stepped down as a head coach. He's still going
to be the president. They've promoted the interim head coach.
So what's his face? Shams? Shams. He was on ESPN
earlier today and he said that Becky Hammond would be
(21:10):
a great choice. Okay, So I don't know much about basketball, Doug,
you do, but just from like the outside looking in,
the Spurs have back to back rookie of the years,
and one of them is I've been told is a
once in a generational talent. They added Dear and Fox,
(21:30):
I'm guessing that's the nucleus of a very good team
in the future. Do you really think they would trust
that just to make the first women head coaching hire
in the NBA.
Speaker 4 (21:44):
No.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
I mean, listen, what Jason said was, there's two parts
to it. One it's either pandering, right, pandering to a
crowd that's like, yeah, it's time. Or two, it is
completely detached from understanding the Spurs organization and how they
(22:06):
feel about Becky Hammond. Okay, remember Becky Hammond. Yeah, she
had her first year with Las Vegas. They won the
WNBA title, They had a stacked roster. She did a
good job with the best roster in the league. Weren't
as good last year, But she would not be coaching
in the w if Greg Popovich thought she was the
(22:29):
right pick to be her successor, if he thought and
what I had been told, and remember she had interviewed
for a Portland job and whatever is she generally wasn't
well liked in the Spurs organization as a coach, not
as a person.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Just they didn't think she was.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
A good enough coach to have as an assistant coach there, right, Like,
you don't leave an assistant job in the NBA with
the Spurs to be a WNBA.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
Head to be a WNBA head coach.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
Usually when you're a WNBA head coaches when you lose
your job in the NBA or you can't get a
job in the NBA. Now maybe Las Vegas people view
it as different. I'm just telling you what I heard
her in San Antonio, which was wasn't beloved. And yeah,
it's the classic pandering time for a woman coach. Becky Hammond,
she's been on the bench there. There's a reason she's
(23:19):
not there anymore.
Speaker 9 (23:20):
I think it's hilarious.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
I just if it's a total pandering, he's.
Speaker 9 (23:25):
Been intellectually dishonest. It sounds good like of course it
got on my timeline, so it did the work. I
guess it got the clicks, but I just so funny.
It goes against any logic. But so the strike zone
complaints the Nick Saban's story that had some bs in it,
(23:45):
and then this pandering of Becky Hammond here. Uh.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
I think the pandering to Becky Hammond is like again,
I don't agree with a good portion of the rhetoric
and style of the current administration that's been stated and
that's been known. But one of the things that the
rhetoric has done is it's cut out some of this bullshit. Right,
(24:14):
Let's be honest. The spurs are not turned as you said,
They're not turning Wemby and uh, what's the kid's name
from Yukon, who's the Brookie of the castle? Yes, yes,
Stefan Castle. We're not not turning Stefan Castle, Wemby and
Daron Fox over to somebody who they didn't enjoy as
(24:34):
an assistant coach there. It's just just because she's a woman.
So so the one thing that we have cut out
generally form most discussions outside of sports is the panduring.
Speaker 3 (24:47):
This is blatant pandering and it's annoyed.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 3 (24:55):
I do.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Because we can.
Speaker 9 (25:02):
I'm gonna go with the pronunciation of Mikyle Bridges Mikyle
Bridges Cale you know up in the next one in
dramatic fashion. Last night he was on a live interview
network radio or network TV interview and he said.
Speaker 11 (25:19):
This mckel congratulations, thanks, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 10 (25:23):
Let's go.
Speaker 11 (25:24):
The first question is down seven two and a half
to go. The time out called what was discussed in
the huddle?
Speaker 3 (25:30):
What were you guys like in the huddle? We built
for the ship.
Speaker 9 (25:32):
That's all it is.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
We built for it. That's all I'm saying. Sorry, sorry,
but we built for it. That's all it was. Stay
with it, stay positive, and to stay fighting. We built
for it. That's all. That's all I know. So good.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I kind of feel like we've passed the point to
where the word shit bothers people, especially when you put
it in the contextcept we're built for this shit.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
But we're built for it. We're built for this shit.
Good net for me. Why could we play for you?
Because we can't.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
That's it for the In the Modus podcast, you got
the radio show every day three to five eastern, twelve
two Pacific on Fox Sports Trader of the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (26:04):
Have a great weekend. I'm Doug Otling.
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