May 5, 2025 • 20 mins
Doug riffs on Caitlin Clark. Doug reacts to Dan Beyer's take on James Harden. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Steven Adams makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Who what up? Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox
Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app Welcome in, Welcome in. There's something
weird that happened in my television last night. Caitlin Clark
was playing a next ambition game against I guess the
Brazilian national team sort of, and yeah, she hit a
(00:35):
near mid court shot. She was four of six and
three point range. She looked, it's just like a college sophomore,
second year player in the NBA. Suddenly she looked very,
very comfortable. But what's weird is I actually cared a
little bit, right, I cared a little bit. And I
(00:57):
cannot tell you how impactful that is for me specifically,
just because I love basketball I have for years. But
I got to tell you that anytime previously at WNBA
game or exhibition game was on my television set, I
could not change it fast enough. And yeah, ultimately I
did change the channel, and I did not stay terribly long,
(01:18):
but I stayed and I watched some and then I
think when it went to time out, then I clicked
over and then never came back. Uh. Do I think
it builds a league out of it, like you know,
they've had a league for twenty five years, but a
following I do not, But it does continue to point
(01:41):
out the blunder of the US women's national team not
putting her on it, and it does make me think
that this is still a thing, even if the league
itself is going to have some severe growing pains this year.
My name is Doug Gottlieb, and I actually enjoyed watching
(02:02):
a good portion of a preseason WNBA game, and I
make no apologies for it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekday. He's at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Let's Get What the Fox Says and now every day
at this time in the Bonus Podcast, play for you
a portion of a previous show on Fox Sports Radio
Fox Sports One. Here's Dan Byer, co host to with
Mike Harmon and Fox Sports Sunday talking about the criticism
James Harden gets.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I think that we pile on too much. Losing on
the road in a game seven, in a four or
five matchup, it happens, and I do feel sometimes who
make these sweeping judgments James. If you want to criticize
James Harden for what he did do or hasn't done
in his career, I think that windows passed. I feel
(03:01):
like it was prime Houston Rockets where he was susceptible
to it. So I get the criticism. I get that
people maybe not like how he handled things in Brooklyn
or handled things in Houston or in other spots. But
the seventy six Ers were Joel Embiid's team. This Clippers
team is Kawhi Leonard's team. And if we're gonna be
(03:22):
just I don't want to say cherry picking stats, but
this is what makes the NBA exhausting at times, is
this piling on everything is everything is something. And I'm
not saying that James Harden should be absolved of anything.
I get the whole deal, but it's just like we're
(03:42):
waiting for these players to fail, and I feel like
we've just been We've criticized James Harden for so long
that I'm almost tired of it.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
We have he's right, but in this particular argument, I
don't think he's right. And the point is that it.
If I were to tell you James Harden in a
game seven, you would have you would have expectations of
(04:15):
what exactly he did. Again, Dan can be right, but
it's not piling on if it's a consistent lack of
performance in these types of games. Consistent lack of performance
in those type of games. Here's Colin Calhert talking about
Raymond Green.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
If you don't get the value of Draymond Green, I
can't help you. People will fall in love with a
mellow or a James Harden or the speed of a
John Wall. And I'm like, do you guys watch basketball?
Do you see how much he does? This league is
a parade of three pointers and one on one ISO
basketball offense first culture. There's nothing wrong with that. Draymon
(04:53):
is a testament to how many ways you can win.
He'll switch to bigs, guys five inches bigger, He'll switch
to small guys. It doesn't matter. The warrior small ball
is only possible. It's not Stephan Clay. A lot of
teams have shooters, it's Draymon. You used to have to
have a center and you also had a power forward.
They have Draymon, who's faster than both, who can be
(05:16):
an offensive catalyst. He's such a connective passer and a
lot of what he does is like not necessarily box
score stuff. He shoots the three just well enough that
you have to be aware of him. But this was
a great example of they just said, basically, take out
Sheng Goon, get him off his game, get him off
(05:37):
his rhythm. And I mean, he just It's like if
James Harden isn't hitting shots, you don't get anything else.
And that's why Draymon is the iPhone and you know,
scores only like James Harden are you know, the eye pod.
They just don't do a lot. He does everything well.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Uh again, I think we think of great basketball players
as we look at box scores and say you have
to score. Raymond Green is a great basketball player because
he can defend all five positions. Because he can defend
all five positions, it is an incredibly rare thing, defend
(06:23):
all five positions. He's a good passer. He's not a
great passer. He's a good passer, but he's also very bright,
very tough, and last night he hits a couple of
threes and that ends up, you know, really kind of
changing the complexion of the game. But he's a great
basketball player because he can defend all five positions. Period. Stop.
(06:46):
Here's Dan Patrick talking about Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
He's gonna help somebody win. I don't know if it's
his team or your team, but he's gonna help. But
he's you know, he gives you that jolt of energy
coming off the bench. And this used to be so important.
You know, we came up with sixth Man of the
Year that award John Havelchek. I think they invented the
award for him with the Celtics. You come off the
(07:10):
bench and you give that blast of energy. Kevin McHale
was a sixth man. Yet guys man who genobli They
came in and they gave you that boost. That's why
I'd love to see Austin Reeves be that sixth man
for the Lakers. You come in and all of a sudden,
you're better than everybody else in that second unit for
the other team, and you're able to put up some offense.
(07:31):
Russell Westbrook brings you energy and he had to accept
coming off the bench as well. But he's fun. He's
fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Uh yeah, I mean again, he's this version of russ Is.
It's a little bit like Carmelo Anthony right, mellow was
out of the league for a year, comes back, remakes
himself and a strictly a three point shooter and a
really good teammate. Russ is kind of always the same guy,
(08:02):
but he's clearly found spots on the floor, like the
corner that he can make a three, so you can
keep him out there longer. It's really interesting, right that guys. Yeah,
Alan Iverson couldn't I don't know, another MVP come out
to bitch in Denver. That was the problem with with
(08:23):
Alan Iverson. It's not the problem with Russell Westbrook. There
is a sacrifice Vigo there, and I went from being
a huge Russell with Westbrook fan to a guy who
couldn't stand him to now I think he gets it.
There's also a little a Kobe evolution there as well.
Like Kobe at the end was beloved, kind of got it,
(08:43):
showed his level of intelligence and his growth, but like,
let's be honest, Kobe in the middle of it was obnoxious,
hard to take, not a great teammate whatever. So the
Westbrook we see now is not close to the Westbrook
we see previously, and a lot of that is a
good thing. That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Say.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Let's find out who are What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
It Doug. A quick shout out to my friend Jeff Jones.
He's a head football coach at at A Southern California
JC and is an avid listener to this podcast, and
he said, it's weird how you shit on gen Z
all the time because your son is gen Z. And
(09:44):
I said, yeah, I've explained this on the air. I don't.
I totally take responsibility for my part in that generation.
I was a part of the generation that overcorrected. The
Baby Boomers were awful parents, and for whatever reason, jen
X thought they had to overcorrect when they raised gen Z.
(10:06):
And we just we raised a bunch of entitled people.
They're almost impossible to work with or get along with.
Abduall Carter went to Penn State. I think he was
a second overall pick in the draft, and he wanted
to get Lawrence Taylor's number. Unretire Lawrence Taylor's number for
(10:30):
me because I'm really good and I want to be happy.
Lawrence Taylor said no. Then there was this ordeal with Okay,
then I'll do my college number eleven. Well that's retired.
Phil Simms has it. There was this conversation where Phil
actually was going to be the nice guy and his
family was like, no, you don't do that. So how
about this Abduall Carter meet in the middle. I looked,
(10:53):
there's nobody using fifty one right now. You could do
half of LT half of Phil Simms. That should result it.
But I just want to say gen Z is all
about their own happiness. I was talking, I was having
I had a dinner with a couple this weekend. Their
sixteen year old doesn't want to use the same starter
(11:13):
car they're eighteen year old used because the eighteen year
old used it and I want a better car to
start with. It should be all about my happiness. And
that's a great example of this generation. Abdul Carter saying,
I don't care about the retired numbers. I don't even
know what that means. Unretire them, because it's about me
(11:35):
being happy. Doug Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I mean he was met with the appropriate amount of backlash.
It's like, I don't actually mind you asking for to
be unretired, but do something in the football field first,
you know, because there's like at Syracuse, forty four is
the numbers synonymous with It's like a historic number there, right,
(12:00):
I think Jim Thorpe or forty four, like it goes back,
goes back that far. So the idea of hey, I'm
a line background, but do you know what you need
to do to Lawrence Air is literally the most feared
football player in the league, one of the most well
respected football players in the league. I don't mind it
as much if you've done something unbelievably dynamic. I think
(12:24):
he has the potential for that. But I also think
there's a you know, carve out your own path the
other part to it. And this may this goes a
little bit count it's done, not a little bit completely
counter to what I was just saying, is if you're
the giants and you're the you're the giants of the past. Again,
I don't know if Abdul Carter will be in any
(12:46):
conversation of straighthand or lt but if he is all
of the pushback here is It's the type of thing
like if the older guys embraced the younger guys, the
younger guys may be more loyal to stay. That's my thing,
(13:06):
So generally do agree with you.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Just for clarification, Jim Brown, Ernie Davis, and Floyd Little
all were forty four for Syracuse. All of them are
inducted in the Ring of Honor forty four.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
But other players still wear it like this. It's not
you know what I mean, so but go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Stan Van Gundy becomes the latest and a long line
of analysts, former coaches, former players that run to the
defense of Draymond Green's impulsivity. I don't know if you
saw it yesterday, but Draymond Green did something after the
play where he kind of put his forearm into the
(13:47):
upper shoulder neck area of Van Fleet. They did this
thing where they tried to come up with how flagrant
it was. And of course Draymond is always on the
cusp of being thrown out of a game and missing
a game. It becomes a thing. Anyways, Uh, this was
Van Gundy in the moment. Now this is a week
after Remember last week, Reggie Miller made this this segment
(14:10):
because he called excessive behavior by Draymond Green quote incidental.
Uh Stan van Gundy used as a cool word right here.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
The foul will stand on Van Voet.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Nobody's challenging that it's after the play or after the pie,
whether there's going to be a hostile.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I believe their rulity up. So I don't think there's
anything here.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
It was all in it Burton inadvertent, put inadvertent with
incidental and accidental. I just don't. I don't understand the
the amount of defending that Draymond Green gets from these
game analysts. What is it? What are they trying to
do here? Umm?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I just I don't. I think the game is better
with them in it. That'd be my thing. And in
comparison to basketball in the past, Like one of the
things is the rule is that you know, any sort
of contact to the head is like a flagrant foul
when you're gonna get dinged with an elbow, like that's
(15:19):
kind of part of basketball now. Lining a dude up
and intentionally elbowing a guy or kicking a guy intentionally
in the nuts. And I do think that Draymond we
talked about this last week. He does the accidental on
purpose better than anybody maybe in the history of the league.
But I think a lot of it is they war
on the new rules or the way in which that's
(15:40):
those rules are are are utilized nowadays, more so than
anything else.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
I think most listeners of this podcast know that I
watch a lot of Get Up and First Take. I
watched them primarily to see how the producers stacked their
shows and what they prioritize as the top things of
the day, and almost to a person that they put
on this morning from an MBA perspective, chose the Tea
(16:09):
Wolves to beat the Warriors in this series. Now these
are the exact same people who chose overwhelmingly that the
Lakers were going to beat them in the last series.
Now they have the t Wolves in the conference finals,
which speaks to kind of my grander point. Right. I've
said on this podcast before, if I run a podcast
(16:31):
network or a broadcast network, I'm going to have one rule.
No predictions, No predictions segments. I think it doesn't serve
the listener or the viewer. It serves the ego of
the hosts. You as an important question during the live
radio show today, why do we keep re litigating this
Shador Sanders thing? Great question. I think it's because of predictions,
(16:53):
because everybody that you see re litigating it predicted where
he would go, and most of them said the first round.
So now they have to they have to explain away
their predictions to make them save face. It had to
be the NFL had to be, collusion had to be
d on if you eliminate predictions completely, like Doug, if
I said to you, tune in next segment, I'm gonna
(17:17):
flip a coin ten times, but each time before I
flip it, I'm gonna I'm gonna predict it. And then
each time I get that prediction right, I'm going to
brag that I got it right. That doesn't serve you
the listener. It might serve me. It might be a
fun segment, but stop predicting things and none of this
would happen.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
That's a fascinating way to look at it, right, that
it's it's because we want it because of the predictions
element to it. Yeah, I think everybody would. It's not
just everybody wants to be right. They want to be
the first one right. If that makes sense. I was
the one who called it I was the one. And
and conversely that you know, as you asked earlier or
(18:02):
dan Byrass earlier, why is there such like negativity and
hatred towards you know, like a like a James harden Well,
Because again sometimes there's sometimes it's prediction based. That's a
portion of it. So I think that's an interesting one.
You're you're annoyed at the variance in predictions.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
I'm annoyed at the downstream impact of prediction radio or
prediction TV.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Okay, well, I love that, but.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Abdull Carter's number fiasco and gen Z stan Van Gandhi
and the prediction radio.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I'm gonna go prediction radio or prediction television. It's annoying.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Why are we doing this because we can.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
All right? The problem with the rockets not moving on
is that we don't get to see Steven Adams anymore.
I thoroughly enjoy watching him play. He seems like un uh,
what do you call it? Unimpacted by all the like
the impact that he gets. There's a lot of like
volatility on the court when he's there, people punching him
in the face and stuff, and he goes undeterred. He's fun.
(19:16):
He did a press conference after game six or was
it game seven or before game seven, and he was
doing a press conference and he witnessed a fellow OSSI
in the crowd and said this.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
That's up to you. That's that's all up to individual.
Whatever you guys put value on for the uh I
go off you Oh that's Australia.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
I had too, Yeah, but you know what I mean,
that's how people in Australia address each other. Doug fuck off.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, well we had an AUSSI this year. They're the best. Uh.
Did you know Steven Adams is one of eighteen kids
and he's not the biggest.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
And he's from New Zealand by the.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Way, as he's a Kiwi.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Yeah that's Sam just pointed that out. One of eighteen kiwis.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
In his family. Yes, the kids, kids in his family. Wow. Yeah, yeah,
it's crazy. Why can we play it for you? Because
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All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Who what up? Doug Gottlieb Show in the Bonus Fox
Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app Welcome in, Welcome in. There's something
weird that happened in my television last night. Caitlin Clark
was playing a next ambition game against I guess the
Brazilian national team sort of, and yeah, she hit a
(00:35):
near mid court shot. She was four of six and
three point range. She looked, it's just like a college sophomore,
second year player in the NBA. Suddenly she looked very,
very comfortable. But what's weird is I actually cared a
little bit, right, I cared a little bit. And I
(00:57):
cannot tell you how impactful that is for me specifically,
just because I love basketball I have for years. But
I got to tell you that anytime previously at WNBA
game or exhibition game was on my television set, I
could not change it fast enough. And yeah, ultimately I
did change the channel, and I did not stay terribly long,
(01:18):
but I stayed and I watched some and then I
think when it went to time out, then I clicked
over and then never came back. Uh. Do I think
it builds a league out of it, like you know,
they've had a league for twenty five years, but a
following I do not, But it does continue to point
(01:41):
out the blunder of the US women's national team not
putting her on it, and it does make me think
that this is still a thing, even if the league
itself is going to have some severe growing pains this year.
My name is Doug Gottlieb, and I actually enjoyed watching
(02:02):
a good portion of a preseason WNBA game, and I
make no apologies for it.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekday. He's at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Let's Get What the Fox Says and now every day
at this time in the Bonus Podcast, play for you
a portion of a previous show on Fox Sports Radio
Fox Sports One. Here's Dan Byer, co host to with
Mike Harmon and Fox Sports Sunday talking about the criticism
James Harden gets.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
I think that we pile on too much. Losing on
the road in a game seven, in a four or
five matchup, it happens, and I do feel sometimes who
make these sweeping judgments James. If you want to criticize
James Harden for what he did do or hasn't done
in his career, I think that windows passed. I feel
(03:01):
like it was prime Houston Rockets where he was susceptible
to it. So I get the criticism. I get that
people maybe not like how he handled things in Brooklyn
or handled things in Houston or in other spots. But
the seventy six Ers were Joel Embiid's team. This Clippers
team is Kawhi Leonard's team. And if we're gonna be
(03:22):
just I don't want to say cherry picking stats, but
this is what makes the NBA exhausting at times, is
this piling on everything is everything is something. And I'm
not saying that James Harden should be absolved of anything.
I get the whole deal, but it's just like we're
(03:42):
waiting for these players to fail, and I feel like
we've just been We've criticized James Harden for so long
that I'm almost tired of it.
Speaker 2 (03:54):
We have he's right, but in this particular argument, I
don't think he's right. And the point is that it.
If I were to tell you James Harden in a
game seven, you would have you would have expectations of
(04:15):
what exactly he did. Again, Dan can be right, but
it's not piling on if it's a consistent lack of
performance in these types of games. Consistent lack of performance
in those type of games. Here's Colin Calhert talking about
Raymond Green.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
If you don't get the value of Draymond Green, I
can't help you. People will fall in love with a
mellow or a James Harden or the speed of a
John Wall. And I'm like, do you guys watch basketball?
Do you see how much he does? This league is
a parade of three pointers and one on one ISO
basketball offense first culture. There's nothing wrong with that. Draymon
(04:53):
is a testament to how many ways you can win.
He'll switch to bigs, guys five inches bigger, He'll switch
to small guys. It doesn't matter. The warrior small ball
is only possible. It's not Stephan Clay. A lot of
teams have shooters, it's Draymon. You used to have to
have a center and you also had a power forward.
They have Draymon, who's faster than both, who can be
(05:16):
an offensive catalyst. He's such a connective passer and a
lot of what he does is like not necessarily box
score stuff. He shoots the three just well enough that
you have to be aware of him. But this was
a great example of they just said, basically, take out
Sheng Goon, get him off his game, get him off
(05:37):
his rhythm. And I mean, he just It's like if
James Harden isn't hitting shots, you don't get anything else.
And that's why Draymon is the iPhone and you know,
scores only like James Harden are you know, the eye pod.
They just don't do a lot. He does everything well.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Uh again, I think we think of great basketball players
as we look at box scores and say you have
to score. Raymond Green is a great basketball player because
he can defend all five positions. Because he can defend
all five positions, it is an incredibly rare thing, defend
(06:23):
all five positions. He's a good passer. He's not a
great passer. He's a good passer, but he's also very bright,
very tough, and last night he hits a couple of
threes and that ends up, you know, really kind of
changing the complexion of the game. But he's a great
basketball player because he can defend all five positions. Period. Stop.
(06:46):
Here's Dan Patrick talking about Russell Westbrook.
Speaker 5 (06:48):
He's gonna help somebody win. I don't know if it's
his team or your team, but he's gonna help. But
he's you know, he gives you that jolt of energy
coming off the bench. And this used to be so important.
You know, we came up with sixth Man of the
Year that award John Havelchek. I think they invented the
award for him with the Celtics. You come off the
(07:10):
bench and you give that blast of energy. Kevin McHale
was a sixth man. Yet guys man who genobli They
came in and they gave you that boost. That's why
I'd love to see Austin Reeves be that sixth man
for the Lakers. You come in and all of a sudden,
you're better than everybody else in that second unit for
the other team, and you're able to put up some offense.
(07:31):
Russell Westbrook brings you energy and he had to accept
coming off the bench as well. But he's fun. He's
fun to watch.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Uh yeah, I mean again, he's this version of russ Is.
It's a little bit like Carmelo Anthony right, mellow was
out of the league for a year, comes back, remakes
himself and a strictly a three point shooter and a
really good teammate. Russ is kind of always the same guy,
(08:02):
but he's clearly found spots on the floor, like the
corner that he can make a three, so you can
keep him out there longer. It's really interesting, right that guys. Yeah,
Alan Iverson couldn't I don't know, another MVP come out
to bitch in Denver. That was the problem with with
(08:23):
Alan Iverson. It's not the problem with Russell Westbrook. There
is a sacrifice Vigo there, and I went from being
a huge Russell with Westbrook fan to a guy who
couldn't stand him to now I think he gets it.
There's also a little a Kobe evolution there as well.
Like Kobe at the end was beloved, kind of got it,
(08:43):
showed his level of intelligence and his growth, but like,
let's be honest, Kobe in the middle of it was obnoxious,
hard to take, not a great teammate whatever. So the
Westbrook we see now is not close to the Westbrook
we see previously, and a lot of that is a
good thing. That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 4 (09:01):
Say.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Let's find out who are What's annoying? Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (09:23):
It Doug. A quick shout out to my friend Jeff Jones.
He's a head football coach at at A Southern California
JC and is an avid listener to this podcast, and
he said, it's weird how you shit on gen Z
all the time because your son is gen Z. And
(09:44):
I said, yeah, I've explained this on the air. I don't.
I totally take responsibility for my part in that generation.
I was a part of the generation that overcorrected. The
Baby Boomers were awful parents, and for whatever reason, jen
X thought they had to overcorrect when they raised gen Z.
(10:06):
And we just we raised a bunch of entitled people.
They're almost impossible to work with or get along with.
Abduall Carter went to Penn State. I think he was
a second overall pick in the draft, and he wanted
to get Lawrence Taylor's number. Unretire Lawrence Taylor's number for
(10:30):
me because I'm really good and I want to be happy.
Lawrence Taylor said no. Then there was this ordeal with Okay,
then I'll do my college number eleven. Well that's retired.
Phil Simms has it. There was this conversation where Phil
actually was going to be the nice guy and his
family was like, no, you don't do that. So how
about this Abduall Carter meet in the middle. I looked,
(10:53):
there's nobody using fifty one right now. You could do
half of LT half of Phil Simms. That should result it.
But I just want to say gen Z is all
about their own happiness. I was talking, I was having
I had a dinner with a couple this weekend. Their
sixteen year old doesn't want to use the same starter
(11:13):
car they're eighteen year old used because the eighteen year
old used it and I want a better car to
start with. It should be all about my happiness. And
that's a great example of this generation. Abdul Carter saying,
I don't care about the retired numbers. I don't even
know what that means. Unretire them, because it's about me
(11:35):
being happy. Doug Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I mean he was met with the appropriate amount of backlash.
It's like, I don't actually mind you asking for to
be unretired, but do something in the football field first,
you know, because there's like at Syracuse, forty four is
the numbers synonymous with It's like a historic number there, right,
(12:00):
I think Jim Thorpe or forty four, like it goes back,
goes back that far. So the idea of hey, I'm
a line background, but do you know what you need
to do to Lawrence Air is literally the most feared
football player in the league, one of the most well
respected football players in the league. I don't mind it
as much if you've done something unbelievably dynamic. I think
(12:24):
he has the potential for that. But I also think
there's a you know, carve out your own path the
other part to it. And this may this goes a
little bit count it's done, not a little bit completely
counter to what I was just saying, is if you're
the giants and you're the you're the giants of the past. Again,
I don't know if Abdul Carter will be in any
(12:46):
conversation of straighthand or lt but if he is all
of the pushback here is It's the type of thing
like if the older guys embraced the younger guys, the
younger guys may be more loyal to stay. That's my thing,
(13:06):
So generally do agree with you.
Speaker 6 (13:10):
Just for clarification, Jim Brown, Ernie Davis, and Floyd Little
all were forty four for Syracuse. All of them are
inducted in the Ring of Honor forty four.
Speaker 2 (13:21):
But other players still wear it like this. It's not
you know what I mean, so but go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 6 (13:26):
Stan Van Gundy becomes the latest and a long line
of analysts, former coaches, former players that run to the
defense of Draymond Green's impulsivity. I don't know if you
saw it yesterday, but Draymond Green did something after the
play where he kind of put his forearm into the
(13:47):
upper shoulder neck area of Van Fleet. They did this
thing where they tried to come up with how flagrant
it was. And of course Draymond is always on the
cusp of being thrown out of a game and missing
a game. It becomes a thing. Anyways, Uh, this was
Van Gundy in the moment. Now this is a week
after Remember last week, Reggie Miller made this this segment
(14:10):
because he called excessive behavior by Draymond Green quote incidental.
Uh Stan van Gundy used as a cool word right here.
Speaker 4 (14:19):
The foul will stand on Van Voet.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Nobody's challenging that it's after the play or after the pie,
whether there's going to be a hostile.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
I believe their rulity up. So I don't think there's
anything here.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
It was all in it Burton inadvertent, put inadvertent with
incidental and accidental. I just don't. I don't understand the
the amount of defending that Draymond Green gets from these
game analysts. What is it? What are they trying to
do here? Umm?
Speaker 2 (14:58):
I just I don't. I think the game is better
with them in it. That'd be my thing. And in
comparison to basketball in the past, Like one of the
things is the rule is that you know, any sort
of contact to the head is like a flagrant foul
when you're gonna get dinged with an elbow, like that's
(15:19):
kind of part of basketball now. Lining a dude up
and intentionally elbowing a guy or kicking a guy intentionally
in the nuts. And I do think that Draymond we
talked about this last week. He does the accidental on
purpose better than anybody maybe in the history of the league.
But I think a lot of it is they war
on the new rules or the way in which that's
(15:40):
those rules are are are utilized nowadays, more so than
anything else.
Speaker 6 (15:47):
I think most listeners of this podcast know that I
watch a lot of Get Up and First Take. I
watched them primarily to see how the producers stacked their
shows and what they prioritize as the top things of
the day, and almost to a person that they put
on this morning from an MBA perspective, chose the Tea
(16:09):
Wolves to beat the Warriors in this series. Now these
are the exact same people who chose overwhelmingly that the
Lakers were going to beat them in the last series.
Now they have the t Wolves in the conference finals,
which speaks to kind of my grander point. Right. I've
said on this podcast before, if I run a podcast
(16:31):
network or a broadcast network, I'm going to have one rule.
No predictions, No predictions segments. I think it doesn't serve
the listener or the viewer. It serves the ego of
the hosts. You as an important question during the live
radio show today, why do we keep re litigating this
Shador Sanders thing? Great question. I think it's because of predictions,
(16:53):
because everybody that you see re litigating it predicted where
he would go, and most of them said the first round.
So now they have to they have to explain away
their predictions to make them save face. It had to
be the NFL had to be, collusion had to be
d on if you eliminate predictions completely, like Doug, if
I said to you, tune in next segment, I'm gonna
(17:17):
flip a coin ten times, but each time before I
flip it, I'm gonna I'm gonna predict it. And then
each time I get that prediction right, I'm going to
brag that I got it right. That doesn't serve you
the listener. It might serve me. It might be a
fun segment, but stop predicting things and none of this
would happen.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
That's a fascinating way to look at it, right, that
it's it's because we want it because of the predictions
element to it. Yeah, I think everybody would. It's not
just everybody wants to be right. They want to be
the first one right. If that makes sense. I was
the one who called it I was the one. And
and conversely that you know, as you asked earlier or
(18:02):
dan Byrass earlier, why is there such like negativity and
hatred towards you know, like a like a James harden Well,
Because again sometimes there's sometimes it's prediction based. That's a
portion of it. So I think that's an interesting one.
You're you're annoyed at the variance in predictions.
Speaker 6 (18:23):
I'm annoyed at the downstream impact of prediction radio or
prediction TV.
Speaker 2 (18:29):
Okay, well, I love that, but.
Speaker 6 (18:31):
Abdull Carter's number fiasco and gen Z stan Van Gandhi
and the prediction radio.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
I'm gonna go prediction radio or prediction television. It's annoying.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Why are we doing this because we can.
Speaker 6 (18:53):
All right? The problem with the rockets not moving on
is that we don't get to see Steven Adams anymore.
I thoroughly enjoy watching him play. He seems like un uh,
what do you call it? Unimpacted by all the like
the impact that he gets. There's a lot of like
volatility on the court when he's there, people punching him
in the face and stuff, and he goes undeterred. He's fun.
(19:16):
He did a press conference after game six or was
it game seven or before game seven, and he was
doing a press conference and he witnessed a fellow OSSI
in the crowd and said this.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
That's up to you. That's that's all up to individual.
Whatever you guys put value on for the uh I
go off you Oh that's Australia.
Speaker 6 (19:37):
I had too, Yeah, but you know what I mean,
that's how people in Australia address each other. Doug fuck off.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, well we had an AUSSI this year. They're the best. Uh.
Did you know Steven Adams is one of eighteen kids
and he's not the biggest.
Speaker 6 (19:52):
And he's from New Zealand by the.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
Way, as he's a Kiwi.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
Yeah that's Sam just pointed that out. One of eighteen kiwis.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
In his family. Yes, the kids, kids in his family. Wow. Yeah, yeah,
it's crazy. Why can we play it for you? Because
we can. That's it for the ind The Motus podcast.
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