May 9, 2025 • 19 mins
Doug riffs on the NBA playoffs. Doug reacts to Dan Patrick's take on Jayson Tatum. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying. Plus, Lebron James makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in
the bonus with Doug gottli.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
What up, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. Welcome,
welcome man, oh oh oh.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
So it's a Friday and hoop season. NBA hoop season
is well underway. And I was just I was thinking
about something hockey fan. I like you, I do passionate, tough, gretty, knowledgeable, knowledgeable,
(00:54):
but what hockey fan. I was There's one NBA game
last night, it wasn't a great game, and I I
was thinking about clicking over to the hockey game. And
I was like, hmm, because then if I talk about it,
then hockey guys be.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Like, you don't know what anything about hockey?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Like yeah, but well, that's how you bring in more
fans as people that don't know get to watch, because
there's far more people that don't know and don't watch
and don't follow hockey than fans that do know and
watch hockey. And it feels like we're made to feel
like inferior human beings because of it, and that that's
not right, that's not fair, that's not how sports conversations
(01:29):
or that are spread you know, because you love hockey
or you fall in love with hockey, And I just
I want to get this right.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Hockey guy, do you want us to follow you or
not want us to follow you?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
If you want us to pay attention to understand we
don't know much about the sport and we just like
college basketball many things like the NBA, we parachute in
late in the season. But for whatever reason, a hockey
guy is like, yo, you're either our day one or
you're day zero, it doesn't matter. And that part I
don't get, like, I just don't have the bandwidth when
football still going on for NBA basketball, college basketball, I
(02:02):
coach a college basketball team, plus you have you know,
October baseball and whatever to cover hockey, let alone college
hockey don't have the bandwidth. And yet I mean, I'm
made to feel like some sort of inferior person when
I articulate that out loud.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
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Speaker 2 (02:34):
Every day this time in the Modust podcasts, play for
your portion of previous show, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports One.
Here's Dan Patrick talking about Jason Tatum.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
You got everything but that clutch gene that I need
to make a bucket here. Hey, we're struggling on make
a bucket and I'm waiting for Jason Tatum. We want
Jason Tatum to be a star. It feels like the
media advertisers like we got to I mean, this guy,
we're gonna make him a star. Are he's going to
do commercials?
Speaker 6 (03:02):
But is he a star?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Is he a killer?
Speaker 6 (03:06):
Is he just a really good player?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
And you know, when you think about it and I
watch him, we want to put him in the top
five because he's on the Celtics. They want a title,
they're competing for titles. He can get you forty, he
can get you fifty. He's a tremendous player. It's weird
when you go that guy, when he goes out there,
is going to kill you. And when you talk about
(03:30):
a face of the league, I mean Anthony Edwards is
more of a face, Luca's more of a face, Steph
Curry's more of a face, Lebron is more of a face,
Jokers more of a face. Now Sga coming into the picture,
Jason Tatum is a really good player, but to be
one of the greats of all time or one of
the top five players, I want to see what you
do when nobody else is doing anything.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's fair, it's a fair take. I think the way
I would describe it is he's really really good.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
He's even great. But he's not. He's he's just there's
just a difference. What he doesn't do.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
He doesn't make everybody around him better. I think that's
the big difference. That's the thing that's missing. Here's Colin
Coward on Draymond Green.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
It's interesting Draymon actually statistically gets more technicals when Steph
Curry doesn't play. So there is something psychologically about Draymon
when his guy. When the star's gone, he gets ramped up.
Then later in the game he's on the bike, Draymond
has an altercation with a fan. A fan says something inappropriate,
the fan it's a slur, gets tossed out of the game,
(04:39):
as he should be. There's knuckleheads everywhere, and afterwards, Draymond
Green was very upset about an agenda and how he
is often viewed. In his eyes, I have employed him
for several years He's as coachable as any employee I
have because Tom Izzo and Steve Kerr are tough coaches,
so he likes to be coached. He gets along with people.
(05:01):
He's totally professional. But he has chosen the path like
Bill Lambert did, to be a confrontational player. Lamber and
Draymond are effective, they're complex, they embrace it. It is
a very volatile path to take. You'll get rich, you'll
get famous, and you'll get a ton of crap.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Uh's a gottleeb show here on Fox Sports Radio. I mean,
you know, when Draymond worked for Colin, his response, Collin's
response was a little different. But now we're getting the
real Colin response, which is like all this stuff. It
does feel like a bit of an act, because Draymond
does feel like a pretty good dude, but the act
(05:44):
is kind of running dry.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
It just it's getting a little bit old.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
That said, when you like, you know when you're gonna
if this, if you're gonna turn heel, you're gonna be
treated differently in a negative way. And it feels like
he's the only guy on earth who thinks he should
be traded the same when he's a positive as opposed
to when he's the heel, when he's willing to get
in guys faces and be the truth sayer that he
(06:11):
likes to purport himself as that's what the Fox says.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Say.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Short of catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb Show
weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Let's find out who are what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
Doug. Grandma Green got a technical foul last night. He's
two tucks from two tucks short of getting a one
game suspension. He acted pet you want. He acted like
a six year old child on the floor, and then
after the game he played the race card. It looked
like the angry black man.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I'm not an angry black man.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
I'm a very successful, educated black man with a great family,
and I'm great at basketball.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
I'm great at what I do.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
To the agenda to try to keep making me look
like an angry black man is crazy. I'm sick of it.
Is ridiculous. So when he says they have an agenda,
they their agenda. Is he talking about the NBA? He's
talking about the refs. Is he talking about the rights holders?
Is he talking about the reporters? Either way, he played
the race card. And I will say this, I don't
(07:26):
know the exact numbers, so if it's racist for me
to even speculate, I would say, what, eighty five percent
of the NBA is black? If he was a black
hockey player and he made this claim, it might be believable.
But he plays literally with almost all black people. How
could this be an agenda to make him out to
(07:47):
be the angry black person?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
I just.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Things about Draymond which you're likable. This is not one
of them. He doesn't come across as the angry black man.
That's Stephen A. Smith's role. He comes across as just
he comes across as the guy who does the yeah,
what is it?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
The by accident on purpose guy right where oh I
mean to hit you right across the face, but you
know he meant to hitch you.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Right across the face.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
So I just it's it's a very weird thing because
so many great teams have this role on their team.
And you know, we remember the rule from Tropic Thunder right,
never go full you know what?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Right?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And it's a never go full even heel. But Draymond
has gone full heel. So why is he surprised at
our treatment of the heel? I'm not I'm not really sure,
Like does he not know? I just I think Draymond
thinks he's protected class and he's not.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
He's not. It's the nature of the business, it's the
nature of how he carries himself.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And if he is that unaware of how he's perceived,
then yeah, it's just a weird thing.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
From race to trans. Kate Fagan, I want to say,
she's a writer, sports writer. She used to be on
Around the Horn a lot. Well, they brought back a
couple of lums yesterday, Kate Fagan and Jamel Hill. I
guess it's wrapping up. So Kate Fagan chose to spend
her last thirty seconds ever on Around the Horn on
(09:40):
this agenda.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
Well, listen, being on this show has been a privilege
in a platform, and I know it's my last time
on it, and I want to say something worthy of
that privilege and platform, and that is this that trans
kids deserve to play sports. Think about what you remember
from your time playing sports, Like ninety nine percent of
it is finding that jersey for the first time, your
favorite number, community, joy those high fives. It's that moment
(10:08):
when you have a great play with a teammate. It's
the feeling of belonging.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
And it does not no.
Speaker 8 (10:12):
Gender and trans kids deserve that the same as everybody
else does. And Tony, this space has on around the horn.
It's been about diversity and inclusion, lifting up new voices
because sports is joy and sports is humanity and the
more people who have that, the better. And Tony, I
love you so thanks for having me back on.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
First and foremost. Somebody's getting fired for allowing that buzzer
to drop right in the middle of her walk offline.
Sports is joy. So I am the father of a
man on the spectrum. He was a boy on the spectrum.
No one can appreciate, empathize or to sympathize more with
(10:55):
kids who want to be included, kids that need to
be in in all walks of life, kids in sports.
That's one thing. But I think Kate Fagan is being
intellectually dishonest here when it comes down to attaining scholarships
or competing for I don't know, gold medals in high school.
(11:18):
If you're taking a place on a roster from somebody
of natural gender. This is where that can't happen. So
I get it. She's trying to play the sentimental card.
And I think this is actually one of the talking
points this week because I've heard it somewhere else. I'm
trying to think of where else I heard it. It's
just not going to fly with me once you get
(11:40):
to a certain age and when these things matter for
scholarships or even the bottom line money, it's not going
to be fair to have trans women playing with women.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
That there's a lot there, and I do appreciate to
Sharon obviously that your son's on the spectrum, you know.
I I actually think the part that I disagree with
most is when she said trans kids.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Okay, wait, so we're having kids have have a sex change.
That's what we're doing.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
That's that's the assumption.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, because the pushback from the left had been like, hey,
it's not happened to kids, right, this is this is adults.
A teen Rover, and I don't think there should be
gender reassignment surgery for a child. On the other hand,
I do think that children's sports should be viewed differently
(12:49):
than adult sports, you know, high school, college sports. So
again therein lies the rub, like what are we actually
doing that We're doing this when there's still children, when
they their brains aren't fully formed and they can't make
decisions on their own, like I don't. You can't vote
or drink or technically buy cigarettes, but you can say
(13:11):
you want to have generally assignment surgery. That that seems
like a lot.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
I know that.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I mean I only know kate sexuality because she shared it.
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I do think her sports takes are generally pretty interesting,
but it does feel like, uh, these are the they
you know, you get to these issues, and I actually
think she she brought about good points, presented the right way.
My sticking point is, are we really talking about kids
having generally assignment surgery?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
That was weird to me.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Charles Barkley was asked on the same day about it
on a podcast.
Speaker 9 (13:48):
I have not, but I'm gonna make this very simple
for you. Dan Man should not play sports against women.
I'm not gonna get into all the bullshit that's going
on out here in the world today. You know, it's interesting.
I'm always sit back and look at this youtuff and
let me tell you something I am. I love gay people,
(14:08):
I love transgender people. I'm always I'm against any form
of discrimination, period because you can't say, like if you
are against I love my gay friends and I love
my transgender friends. But I'm not gonna get into all
this stuff that's going around. Men should not play sports
against women. If anybody think that, I think they're stupid.
(14:33):
I'm not like I say, I support the gay community
one hundred percent. I support the transgender community one hundred percent,
but I do not, under any circumstances. Under it's zero,
I think that men should play sports against women. And
if anybody have a problem with that, they're gonna have
to get over it, because I'm not gonna change my
I'm not gonna change I just think it's wrong period.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Me neither. I'm never gonna change on this. Lebron James
had his first comments since the Minnesota series. I know
you've got your own thoughts on Lebron and what he
chose to do right after the series, but this was
a comment that he made during the exchange with Steve Nash.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Ultimately, you know, teams win championships and I understand that,
and it's never just about me and Luca. It was
never just about you know, Anthony Edwards and Julius Rando.
You know, it was always Minnesota versus the Lakers. And
I understand that, and I and I am at a
point in my career now where I you know, I
don't lose sleep over that. Like, how did me and
(15:34):
Luca luver like, well, yeah, well there's there's eight other
guys on the floor.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
I so you and I talked about this a lot.
Uh you know, I think you made the comment Doug
is from lives in LA, but he's not of LA.
He's never going to be a true Laker. This is
a perfect example. Does any Laker fan want to want
to know that their star player is not losing any
sleep over losing a playoff series? No, especially a player
(16:00):
who was on a team that every single analyst on
ESPN picked the Lakers to win the series. The betting
market was slanted so much towards the Lakers that the
uh what do you call those they they had to
go off show or they had to set off their bets.
The people that receive the bets. Everyone thought this was
a very winnable series for the t Wolves. And to
(16:23):
hear a guy say I don't lose sleep over it.
That's just it's deflating.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, it's a it's it's weird. Don't don't pretend to
be nothing. You can't be competitive and then non competitive.
That doesn't That doesn't, that doesn't work. You can't be
you can't be desirous to be the greatest of all
time and then be like, I don't lose sleep over it.
What do you mean don't lose sleep over it. Granted
(16:50):
haven't won nearly to level Lebron James, but I lose
sleepover every single loss of every single game in my life,
let alone, you know, getting beaten badly in the playoffs
like they did.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
So I'm.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
I'm I'm with you, So Lebron, Kate Fagan and Draymond Green, Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I'm gonna do Draymond Green, I'll tell you why. Like
we can disagree with Kate Fagan, but she didn't make it.
She didn't make a point that like, look, I greatly agree.
I was disagree with with kids, the idea of kids,
but she wasn't so much so that she was crazy
to find the way that. For example, Draymond Green is like, oh,
(17:38):
why I gotta be the agerback man like, dude, you're
the one getting angry who happens to be black.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I don't know what this is about. Draymond Green playing
the victim is annoying.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 7 (17:54):
I do.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Because we can us our listeners didn't get enough. This
is Lebron James offering up another reason why he didn't
lose sleep after losing a playoff series.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I've had all those emotions, you know, to the point
where it's like the shit. You know, we entered a
season well, but like you said, you know, when it
comes to the postseason man, matchups, sometimes it doesn't determine
how well of a regular season you had. You know,
it's the matchups. And we ran into a damn good matchup.
A team that's been battle tested, a team that's hungry,
(18:29):
a team that a lot of a lot of youth
but also experienced at the same time, and another team
that's trying to make the next step. And you know,
they were a worthy opponent, that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
So classy, so classy.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I actually agree with it. I actually do think it
was a bad matchup. But that's kind of beside the point.
He's supposed to be the ultimate matchup buster. So is
Luca and their home. But he's actually right about the beat.
A bad matchup for Michael. Play for you because we can't.
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
What up, Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio, iHeartRadio app. Welcome,
welcome man, oh oh oh.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
So it's a Friday and hoop season. NBA hoop season
is well underway. And I was just I was thinking
about something hockey fan. I like you, I do passionate, tough, gretty, knowledgeable, knowledgeable,
(00:54):
but what hockey fan. I was There's one NBA game
last night, it wasn't a great game, and I I
was thinking about clicking over to the hockey game. And
I was like, hmm, because then if I talk about it,
then hockey guys be.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Like, you don't know what anything about hockey?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Like yeah, but well, that's how you bring in more
fans as people that don't know get to watch, because
there's far more people that don't know and don't watch
and don't follow hockey than fans that do know and
watch hockey. And it feels like we're made to feel
like inferior human beings because of it, and that that's
not right, that's not fair, that's not how sports conversations
(01:29):
or that are spread you know, because you love hockey
or you fall in love with hockey, And I just
I want to get this right.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Hockey guy, do you want us to follow you or
not want us to follow you?
Speaker 2 (01:40):
If you want us to pay attention to understand we
don't know much about the sport and we just like
college basketball many things like the NBA, we parachute in
late in the season. But for whatever reason, a hockey
guy is like, yo, you're either our day one or
you're day zero, it doesn't matter. And that part I
don't get, like, I just don't have the bandwidth when
football still going on for NBA basketball, college basketball, I
(02:02):
coach a college basketball team, plus you have you know,
October baseball and whatever to cover hockey, let alone college
hockey don't have the bandwidth. And yet I mean, I'm
made to feel like some sort of inferior person when
I articulate that out loud.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
App Tick Look, Fox's and Now.
Speaker 2 (02:34):
Every day this time in the Modust podcasts, play for
your portion of previous show, Fox Sports Radio, Fox Sports One.
Here's Dan Patrick talking about Jason Tatum.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
You got everything but that clutch gene that I need
to make a bucket here. Hey, we're struggling on make
a bucket and I'm waiting for Jason Tatum. We want
Jason Tatum to be a star. It feels like the
media advertisers like we got to I mean, this guy,
we're gonna make him a star. Are he's going to
do commercials?
Speaker 6 (03:02):
But is he a star?
Speaker 4 (03:04):
Is he a killer?
Speaker 6 (03:06):
Is he just a really good player?
Speaker 5 (03:09):
And you know, when you think about it and I
watch him, we want to put him in the top
five because he's on the Celtics. They want a title,
they're competing for titles. He can get you forty, he
can get you fifty. He's a tremendous player. It's weird
when you go that guy, when he goes out there,
is going to kill you. And when you talk about
(03:30):
a face of the league, I mean Anthony Edwards is
more of a face, Luca's more of a face, Steph
Curry's more of a face, Lebron is more of a face,
Jokers more of a face. Now Sga coming into the picture,
Jason Tatum is a really good player, but to be
one of the greats of all time or one of
the top five players, I want to see what you
do when nobody else is doing anything.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It's fair, it's a fair take. I think the way
I would describe it is he's really really good.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
He's even great. But he's not. He's he's just there's
just a difference. What he doesn't do.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
He doesn't make everybody around him better. I think that's
the big difference. That's the thing that's missing. Here's Colin
Coward on Draymond Green.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
It's interesting Draymon actually statistically gets more technicals when Steph
Curry doesn't play. So there is something psychologically about Draymon
when his guy. When the star's gone, he gets ramped up.
Then later in the game he's on the bike, Draymond
has an altercation with a fan. A fan says something inappropriate,
the fan it's a slur, gets tossed out of the game,
(04:39):
as he should be. There's knuckleheads everywhere, and afterwards, Draymond
Green was very upset about an agenda and how he
is often viewed. In his eyes, I have employed him
for several years He's as coachable as any employee I
have because Tom Izzo and Steve Kerr are tough coaches,
so he likes to be coached. He gets along with people.
(05:01):
He's totally professional. But he has chosen the path like
Bill Lambert did, to be a confrontational player. Lamber and
Draymond are effective, they're complex, they embrace it. It is
a very volatile path to take. You'll get rich, you'll
get famous, and you'll get a ton of crap.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Uh's a gottleeb show here on Fox Sports Radio. I mean,
you know, when Draymond worked for Colin, his response, Collin's
response was a little different. But now we're getting the
real Colin response, which is like all this stuff. It
does feel like a bit of an act, because Draymond
does feel like a pretty good dude, but the act
(05:44):
is kind of running dry.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
It just it's getting a little bit old.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
That said, when you like, you know when you're gonna
if this, if you're gonna turn heel, you're gonna be
treated differently in a negative way. And it feels like
he's the only guy on earth who thinks he should
be traded the same when he's a positive as opposed
to when he's the heel, when he's willing to get
in guys faces and be the truth sayer that he
(06:11):
likes to purport himself as that's what the Fox says.
Speaker 7 (06:15):
Say.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
Short of catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb Show
weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox Sports
Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 4 (06:26):
Let's find out who are what is annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 6 (06:38):
Doug. Grandma Green got a technical foul last night. He's
two tucks from two tucks short of getting a one
game suspension. He acted pet you want. He acted like
a six year old child on the floor, and then
after the game he played the race card. It looked
like the angry black man.
Speaker 3 (06:57):
I'm not an angry black man.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
I'm a very successful, educated black man with a great family,
and I'm great at basketball.
Speaker 4 (07:05):
I'm great at what I do.
Speaker 6 (07:06):
To the agenda to try to keep making me look
like an angry black man is crazy. I'm sick of it.
Is ridiculous. So when he says they have an agenda,
they their agenda. Is he talking about the NBA? He's
talking about the refs. Is he talking about the rights holders?
Is he talking about the reporters? Either way, he played
the race card. And I will say this, I don't
(07:26):
know the exact numbers, so if it's racist for me
to even speculate, I would say, what, eighty five percent
of the NBA is black? If he was a black
hockey player and he made this claim, it might be believable.
But he plays literally with almost all black people. How
could this be an agenda to make him out to
(07:47):
be the angry black person?
Speaker 4 (07:55):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (07:56):
I just.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Things about Draymond which you're likable. This is not one
of them. He doesn't come across as the angry black man.
That's Stephen A. Smith's role. He comes across as just
he comes across as the guy who does the yeah,
what is it?
Speaker 2 (08:18):
The by accident on purpose guy right where oh I
mean to hit you right across the face, but you
know he meant to hitch you.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Right across the face.
Speaker 2 (08:28):
So I just it's it's a very weird thing because
so many great teams have this role on their team.
And you know, we remember the rule from Tropic Thunder right,
never go full you know what?
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Right?
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And it's a never go full even heel. But Draymond
has gone full heel. So why is he surprised at
our treatment of the heel? I'm not I'm not really sure,
Like does he not know? I just I think Draymond
thinks he's protected class and he's not.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
He's not. It's the nature of the business, it's the
nature of how he carries himself.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
And if he is that unaware of how he's perceived,
then yeah, it's just a weird thing.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
From race to trans. Kate Fagan, I want to say,
she's a writer, sports writer. She used to be on
Around the Horn a lot. Well, they brought back a
couple of lums yesterday, Kate Fagan and Jamel Hill. I
guess it's wrapping up. So Kate Fagan chose to spend
her last thirty seconds ever on Around the Horn on
(09:40):
this agenda.
Speaker 8 (09:42):
Well, listen, being on this show has been a privilege
in a platform, and I know it's my last time
on it, and I want to say something worthy of
that privilege and platform, and that is this that trans
kids deserve to play sports. Think about what you remember
from your time playing sports, Like ninety nine percent of
it is finding that jersey for the first time, your
favorite number, community, joy those high fives. It's that moment
(10:08):
when you have a great play with a teammate. It's
the feeling of belonging.
Speaker 4 (10:11):
And it does not no.
Speaker 8 (10:12):
Gender and trans kids deserve that the same as everybody
else does. And Tony, this space has on around the horn.
It's been about diversity and inclusion, lifting up new voices
because sports is joy and sports is humanity and the
more people who have that, the better. And Tony, I
love you so thanks for having me back on.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
First and foremost. Somebody's getting fired for allowing that buzzer
to drop right in the middle of her walk offline.
Sports is joy. So I am the father of a
man on the spectrum. He was a boy on the spectrum.
No one can appreciate, empathize or to sympathize more with
(10:55):
kids who want to be included, kids that need to
be in in all walks of life, kids in sports.
That's one thing. But I think Kate Fagan is being
intellectually dishonest here when it comes down to attaining scholarships
or competing for I don't know, gold medals in high school.
(11:18):
If you're taking a place on a roster from somebody
of natural gender. This is where that can't happen. So
I get it. She's trying to play the sentimental card.
And I think this is actually one of the talking
points this week because I've heard it somewhere else. I'm
trying to think of where else I heard it. It's
just not going to fly with me once you get
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to a certain age and when these things matter for
scholarships or even the bottom line money, it's not going
to be fair to have trans women playing with women.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
That there's a lot there, and I do appreciate to
Sharon obviously that your son's on the spectrum, you know.
I I actually think the part that I disagree with
most is when she said trans kids.
Speaker 4 (12:15):
Okay, wait, so we're having kids have have a sex change.
That's what we're doing.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
That's that's the assumption.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
Yeah, because the pushback from the left had been like, hey,
it's not happened to kids, right, this is this is adults.
A teen Rover, and I don't think there should be
gender reassignment surgery for a child. On the other hand,
I do think that children's sports should be viewed differently
(12:49):
than adult sports, you know, high school, college sports. So
again therein lies the rub, like what are we actually
doing that We're doing this when there's still children, when
they their brains aren't fully formed and they can't make
decisions on their own, like I don't. You can't vote
or drink or technically buy cigarettes, but you can say
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you want to have generally assignment surgery. That that seems
like a lot.
Speaker 7 (13:18):
I know that.
Speaker 4 (13:19):
I mean I only know kate sexuality because she shared it.
I don't care.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
I do think her sports takes are generally pretty interesting,
but it does feel like, uh, these are the they
you know, you get to these issues, and I actually
think she she brought about good points, presented the right way.
My sticking point is, are we really talking about kids
having generally assignment surgery?
Speaker 4 (13:42):
That was weird to me.
Speaker 6 (13:44):
Charles Barkley was asked on the same day about it
on a podcast.
Speaker 9 (13:48):
I have not, but I'm gonna make this very simple
for you. Dan Man should not play sports against women.
I'm not gonna get into all the bullshit that's going
on out here in the world today. You know, it's interesting.
I'm always sit back and look at this youtuff and
let me tell you something I am. I love gay people,
(14:08):
I love transgender people. I'm always I'm against any form
of discrimination, period because you can't say, like if you
are against I love my gay friends and I love
my transgender friends. But I'm not gonna get into all
this stuff that's going around. Men should not play sports
against women. If anybody think that, I think they're stupid.
(14:33):
I'm not like I say, I support the gay community
one hundred percent. I support the transgender community one hundred percent,
but I do not, under any circumstances. Under it's zero,
I think that men should play sports against women. And
if anybody have a problem with that, they're gonna have
to get over it, because I'm not gonna change my
I'm not gonna change I just think it's wrong period.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
Me neither. I'm never gonna change on this. Lebron James
had his first comments since the Minnesota series. I know
you've got your own thoughts on Lebron and what he
chose to do right after the series, but this was
a comment that he made during the exchange with Steve Nash.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Ultimately, you know, teams win championships and I understand that,
and it's never just about me and Luca. It was
never just about you know, Anthony Edwards and Julius Rando.
You know, it was always Minnesota versus the Lakers. And
I understand that, and I and I am at a
point in my career now where I you know, I
don't lose sleep over that. Like, how did me and
(15:34):
Luca luver like, well, yeah, well there's there's eight other
guys on the floor.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
I so you and I talked about this a lot.
Uh you know, I think you made the comment Doug
is from lives in LA, but he's not of LA.
He's never going to be a true Laker. This is
a perfect example. Does any Laker fan want to want
to know that their star player is not losing any
sleep over losing a playoff series? No, especially a player
(16:00):
who was on a team that every single analyst on
ESPN picked the Lakers to win the series. The betting
market was slanted so much towards the Lakers that the
uh what do you call those they they had to
go off show or they had to set off their bets.
The people that receive the bets. Everyone thought this was
a very winnable series for the t Wolves. And to
(16:23):
hear a guy say I don't lose sleep over it.
That's just it's deflating.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, it's a it's it's weird. Don't don't pretend to
be nothing. You can't be competitive and then non competitive.
That doesn't That doesn't, that doesn't work. You can't be
you can't be desirous to be the greatest of all
time and then be like, I don't lose sleep over it.
What do you mean don't lose sleep over it. Granted
(16:50):
haven't won nearly to level Lebron James, but I lose
sleepover every single loss of every single game in my life,
let alone, you know, getting beaten badly in the playoffs
like they did.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
So I'm.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
I'm I'm with you, So Lebron, Kate Fagan and Draymond Green, Uh.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I'm gonna do Draymond Green, I'll tell you why. Like
we can disagree with Kate Fagan, but she didn't make it.
She didn't make a point that like, look, I greatly agree.
I was disagree with with kids, the idea of kids,
but she wasn't so much so that she was crazy
to find the way that. For example, Draymond Green is like, oh,
(17:38):
why I gotta be the agerback man like, dude, you're
the one getting angry who happens to be black.
Speaker 4 (17:43):
I don't know what this is about. Draymond Green playing
the victim is annoying.
Speaker 6 (17:52):
Why are we doing this?
Speaker 7 (17:54):
I do.
Speaker 6 (17:57):
Because we can us our listeners didn't get enough. This
is Lebron James offering up another reason why he didn't
lose sleep after losing a playoff series.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
I've had all those emotions, you know, to the point
where it's like the shit. You know, we entered a
season well, but like you said, you know, when it
comes to the postseason man, matchups, sometimes it doesn't determine
how well of a regular season you had. You know,
it's the matchups. And we ran into a damn good matchup.
A team that's been battle tested, a team that's hungry,
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a team that a lot of a lot of youth
but also experienced at the same time, and another team
that's trying to make the next step. And you know,
they were a worthy opponent, that's for sure.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
So classy, so classy.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
I actually agree with it. I actually do think it
was a bad matchup. But that's kind of beside the point.
He's supposed to be the ultimate matchup buster. So is
Luca and their home. But he's actually right about the beat.
A bad matchup for Michael. Play for you because we can't.
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