May 27, 2025 • 35 mins
Doug riffs on the current broadcast teams doing the NBA conference finals. Doug reacts to Brady Quinn's take about flag football. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Lebron James makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the Bonus with Doug Gottlieb, What.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Doug Gottlieb Show, Foxmore's Radio, iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
Welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey, I want to start the podcast talking about the
broadcast teams. And I say this because I've been a
part of broadcast teams up until this year, for twenty two,
twenty three years. Yeah, and I was watching the other
night and again, I'm just gonna be totally on something
we don't usually do when you're a broadcaster. Hey, no
(00:39):
one ever says somebody's bad or they don't love listening
to somebody. They just make sure they give praise for
people they think are really really good. Does it make sense?
Like you just it's just not really done, Like we
don't do it on radio shows like when the MIC's off.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, we talked shit on other radio shows.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
That's what everybody does, especially guys aren't good or used
to be good anymore. But same thing in broadcasting. I've
never been a huge Reggie Miller as a broadcaster guy,
and I've always been huge as a Reggie Miller guy.
(01:15):
And to anyone who's ever like, how does Reggie Miller,
How did he get that gig?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Whatever?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
One, Reggie Mouler was a huge name, especially in New
York City because of what he did to the Knicks.
And two he's always had just a nice personality, a
nice way about him. He's not heavy and so yeah,
well he say some stupid shit. Yeah, when you broadcast
for this long at that level of games, you're going
to I say that because when they've added in stan
(01:42):
van Gundy to the TNT broadcast, it's outstanding. In two
thousand and four, maybe it was two thousand, maybe it
was two thousand and five, I was getting ready to
do a game late in the year for ESPN. I
called up Dan Steer, a guy who hired me at
the time at ESPN, and I was like, who's this
(02:03):
woman doing a Boston College. I want to say it
was Boston College Yukon, but it was like Troy Bell's
last regular season home game. It may have been Boston.
I don't know what the league they were at the time. Anyway,
Troy Bell was the all time leading scorer in the
Big East, Is he not? I think that's a great
little trivia question that will never be answered correctly.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
And he played for BC and the woman doing the game.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Was was Doris Burke, and she's like, oh, that's Doris Purk.
So Doris Burke executes a broadcast, the college broadcast as
well as anybody. What I mean by execute. She talks
when she's supposed to talk, she doesn't talk when she's
not supposed to talk. Her thoughts are very concise. She
provides just enough background, just enough insight, just enough analysis,
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probably lacking some of the personality thing.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
In terms of execution of broadcast.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
It's fabulous, but I have to tell you that I
don't think it works with her and Richard Jay Everson
and Mike Breen. And if you go back a year ago,
Mike Breen had Mark Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy and
they were great.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Fire.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
What's your opinion again, My opinion does not The thing
about broadcasting everybody listens differently was last year Burke too,
Oh Burke and j J. Reddick, where I thought JJ
came across very smart but very arrogant, okay, And she
came across kind of matter of fact, but they used
her a little bit more third wheel. Now it's more
of a three person kind of traditional third person broadcast.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Go ahead Dan, I I've actually not been annoyed by
Reggie Miller for years. I'm fine with Reggie Miller, and
I don't know if it's because I'm so accustomed to it,
but I feel like I'm in the absolute minority and
appreciating what Reggie Miller says and how he says it,
and really don't get too mad when he says ridiculous stuff.
(03:53):
There's no doubt that he misses things or gets stuff wrong,
and I feel that's an opportunity for people to pile
on Reggie Miller at that point. But I love the
new Reggie Miller through this Pacer series, something that you know,
we've talked about on the show and whatnot. The ESPN
Booth is interesting because I could not stand Mark Jackson.
I just could not stand it. I like Jeff Van
(04:14):
Gundy in the group prior and Breen is Breen's great
at what he does, so there's no change there. But
I was never a fan of Mark Jackson. But now
with the new Booth, I don't think that Richard Jefferson
is as seasoned. I'm willing to give it another year,
but it's it's tough because I think you're working at
a deficit at that point, which puts Doris Burke in
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an even bigger spot. And to your point, maybe it's
it's just too much at that point. I'm not sure,
but there is something that is missing a little because
everything is not everything is not a big deal, and
I feel at times that that's what I get with
the ESPN group.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, yeah, well I would agree with you and look,
for years, the TNT broadcast teams were seen as far inferior.
If I play gaster could the UH. The analysis wasn't
as good, wasn't as good, but the studio has always
been better. I kind of think they're both better now.
Kind of think they're both better now now NBC comes
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online next year, Red Juke over there is stand band
Gunny going over there. I'm not really sure. I look
at UH, I look at Mark Jackson like jelly like jelly, right,
Jeff fan Gandy was peanut butter. Everything's better with peanut butter.
(05:34):
And then you know, Breen was the Breen was the
bread right where Jelly by itself yeah not great. Like
nobody goes like, hey, I want to scoop a jelly, right,
They just don't like there's a limited number of things
you can use jelly on, peanut butter, good with chocolate.
I don't know if you guys ever had with celery,
(05:56):
like the healthy kind, you'd have it with uh, with bananas?
Peanut butter sandwich? Yeah, you peanut butter sandwich. Right again,
peanut green and ben Gundy Good? U add little Mark Jackson,
mamaye go to that man again?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Right? You're like, I kind of like it.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
That works, whereas by itself, I don't really get much
out of it. Anyway, I do think the point about
being green is a big thing, and this is the
classic mistake. I feel like NBC may be making now
the difference to NBC and like Amazon's coverages. They got
Tariko hosting and like Turco is, he's like Eyron Eagle.
He makes everybody look way better and way more professional
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and he's just incredible that way. But when you throw
too many people out there that haven't done it before
and haven't had because what happens is if they just
throw you into the deep end, like hey, go to
the NBA Finals, You're gonna have the producer working with
you and maybe somebody who's outside consultants sort of working
with you as opposed to you. If you have to
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kind of come up through the ranks and do games
for s years, and they whoever the coordinating producers, somebody
comes in and watches films with you, and they send
you to somebody and they break down like, you'll get
really good out of the volume of reps. Volume of
reps if you used correctly, just make you way better.
And I also dan to a bigger point is if
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you have people who haven't done it at that level
before and don't have the perspective of having done it
for fifteen twenty years, they do think everything is the biggest,
the brightest, and so it's a lot like when Bob
Knight first came to ESPN. I remember he said that
Joe Alexander from West Virginia was the best college basketball
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player he'd seen all season long. And my point was, well, yeah,
Texas Tech was bad that year. He quit halfway through
the season, and at that point his career he hadn't
watched film and didn't watch anybody else play. So again,
if you're not watching a lot of ball and you
just watch a couple of games, and Joe Alexander was
a really good player, yeah he's not actually lying. He's
just had the perspective of that's not actually accurate in
the case makes sense absolutely, Yeah, Anyway, it's just interesting.
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It's a it's a field where we have there's like
three people who talk about it nationally or write about
it nationally.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
None of them have actually performed it.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
And I don't value their opinion as much as I
value our opinion because we've ingested for so long and
then I've done the actual thing.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Anyway, be sure to catch live editions of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Let's Get what the Fox Says and now.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Every day, this time in the Doug Gottlieb Show in
the Bonus Podcast, and play for you a previous portion
of a previous show on Fox Sports Radio. Here's pretty
Quinn talking about NFL players being allowed flag football in
the Olympics and flag football star Darryl Ducett saying that
nflers won't make the team without a fight.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
If the NFL players could come in and immediately take
his job, which they all could and probably should and will,
if we want our best players in there, representing our country,
but the other way around would work, Like he can't
make it in the NFL as a quarterback or as
anything other than that. So it's not like our best
guys are playing flag football in this league competing with them.
(09:21):
So it's no disrespect for the game they've been a
part of. But if these guys were good enough, they
wouldn't be playing flag football. They would be playing in
the NFL because that's where you actually make real money.
None of these dudes are walking around like being like, man,
if I could just you know, a little bit more
(09:41):
of this flag football keeps growing like we're really gonna
get it. No, Like the NFL is where your hopes
and dreams are for football, it's not flag football. And
I'm not saying that to discourage any young people who
are playing flag football. It's fun. It's not an opportunity though,
to grow and play into a real sport like the
(10:02):
NFL is, which is the greatest sport in this country.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
God, he sounds like a politician, didn't and he was
talking about like, which is the greatest sport in this country?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And the.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, again, I don't I don't understand the argument. I'm
not really sure, why we're putting it in the Olympics, right,
does it grow the game of flag football? Like, yeah,
I guess Look, here's my take on flag football. Can
we have the real discussion. So my son played flag
football for like eight years and after about I don't know,
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but after about like the third or fourth year, like, yeah,
it's dumb. It's super fun to play like once or
twice a year. But the idea of like once you
get to where you've seen real football and they can
actually tackle, then it's just it's just really dumb. It's
a good little aerobic sport, but it's not football. There's
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so many different elements to football, which it is not.
But I don't like, why are we throwing a sport
into the Olympics. Which, yeah, it's sort of popular. It's
it's popularity I would call into question because what happens
is somebody's like, look at how many kids play flag
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football per year in the United States. Okay, but why
does it exist? Does it exist because people really love
flag football? Or is it because they don't want their
kid playing tackle football until a certain age so they
don't get brain damage. The truth is that one sport
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is really popular tackle football. One sport is just kind
of a not real version of it that has some
elements of it, But the one that's really popular is
crazy dangerous, and the one that's sort of not is
just easy, like anybody can do it. So maybe it's
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the thought of exporting flag football the way they think
flag football is gonna be a great growth opportunity.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I just don't right.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
They have a a collision free contact field sport that
is much more popular in the rest of the world.
It's called soccer. They call it football. That's what people
that's what kids play. Here's Dan Patrick talking about the
state of college sports.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
College sports right now in limbo, and there's some real
issues here the college football playoffs and the haves and
the have nots. It's going to get uglier. You know.
My college football source told me this morning that we
are expanding in twenty twenty six, that the college Football
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Playoff Committee will go to sixteen teams. But here's keep
an eye on this, because the SEC and the Big
ten want four teams guaranteed four team they want half
of the playoffs, and then you're gonna have two from
the ACC, two from the Big twelve, and then we
work our way down to one, you know, per other
conferences in there. Notre Dame is gonna get in there,
(13:14):
Like Notre Dame is never joining a conference. If there
was any thought, any hope, it's not happening because all
they have to do is win ten games. They're one
of the sixteen teams and they don't have to share
that money with anybody. But that's what's happening, and they
control their schedule. But college football's got to decide, like.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
What are you like?
Speaker 6 (13:32):
What do you want to be because we keep trying
to stay behind this student athlete mask and it's not
there anymore. This is big business, treated his big business.
And then decide what you're gonna do with the other programs.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, I mean it's kind of crazy. I was thinking
about this earlier today and we've made so many changes.
I do understand the financial implications of it, But you
know what really sucks. Do you know what will happened
a very very small percentage of time is kid gets
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recruited out of high school, goes to his dream school.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
You know, red shirts.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
His first year plays special teams, his second year plays
a little bit more. You know, it's like second string,
his third year starter, his fourth year All League, his
fifth year. Right, the normal progression of a guy you
want to have as part of your program and grow
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and evolve and mature and have a great experience. Five
years at a school and then they graduate and maybe
they get a cup of coffee in the NFL, and
then they become you know, they're part of sale, you know,
a local sales team, and you know they come back
for alumni functions.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Like all of that shit is going away.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
It's going away, right, all of it It's gone.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
And I just.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I just I look at this and I say to myself, Damn,
I don't understand why people don't value all those other
things that I value. I get it right there. The
money that the top is making is obscene, obscene, But
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yeah they're not. They're they're losing out on these incredible things.
And here would be like, I don't know if this
works for you in terms of a parallel, but were
any of you guys in a or sorority when you're
in school and you take that out and you're like, well,
(16:05):
what if somebody had to work full time when they
were in school and because of they could make more
money working full time somewhere else. They actually, you know,
changed schools several different times and made more money. And
when they get done with school, would you say, like, hey,
they had a great experience at that school, Like, yeah,
you know, they went to junior college for a year.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
They went to this school for a year, They went
to that school for a year.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
They made some friends, they got some relationships, they made
some money, and now they're off. They got a good job,
Like you'll still get the same job when you're done,
and maybe you have more money to start that job,
but all of the other stuff you don't have. And
that's the sad reality of it. And I'm a guy
who switched schools, right, but I played three years at
one and that that was a life changing experience. Here's
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Colin Cowhert talking about the difference between with the comparison
of Shay and Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
SGA scored less than twenty points one time in the
regular season and fifteen times and they're both the centerpiece
of the offense. And part of it is AUNT is
twenty three and SGA is twenty six and isn't as refined.
SGA is more focused, more refined, more consistent. You know what,
(17:18):
you get. He doesn't fall out of his game regardless
of what you throw at him. He makes great decisions.
He's older. The foots on the accelerator. SGA averaged thirty
three a game. Why because he mostly scored thirty three
a game at averaged twenty eight a game, thirty nine
to one night, twenty two the next night. That's what
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his game is, and that is great. Older athletes could
be a quarterback, could be a point guard. They're more consistent.
You don't get the highs and the lows. SGA. I mean,
aunt still has volatility to his game. SGA is oatmeal
for breakfast, he's a belt for lunch, and those puppies
last forever.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I also think they're just different players. I mean, look,
what's happened is every time every time Anthony Edwards puts
the ball on the floor, he's got a second defender
and sometimes a third defender there. So they don't have
the space, the requisite space and spacing. Nor is he
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the type of player. But more than anything, it's a
spacing issue, and he's not the pastor of SGA. SGA
was a point guard, still sort of a scoring guard
in terms of how he plays, but a lot of
it comes down to spacing.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I mean, I thought there was a huge three. The
three that end up being.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
The backbreaker that Jadub hit Jaylen Williams hit was you know,
Caruso was on the left side of the court, and
so see if you can picture this, Cruso's on the
left side of the court. He sets a flare screen
because his man's in help. So his man, just like
Anthony Edwards, is standing in the lane to help on
a on an SGA drive. Sga takes wonderable to the
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left and Jalen Williams man also comes to help. But
Caruso goes and sits what's called a flare screen, and
because his man's in help as well, they get to
open three on the left wing. The point is that
the spacing is better, Honestly, the coaching is a little
bit better, but also the personnel is better for that
spacing and a better understanding of how they're guarding him,
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more so than any player one player's or the age
of a player, the experience of a player. They're different players,
their teams are different, their attacks are different, and and honestly,
Minnesota's offensive game plan wasn't the problem last night. Is
that they could not stop Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I'd say, be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Let's find out Who're What's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 8 (20:13):
Hey, Doug, we got this Reggie Miller controversy. A lot
of Nicks fans hate the fact that Reggie sounds so
biased and awful. Announcing does one of those things where
they post a blog with all the Twitter issues that
listeners have with Reggie Miller. We talked about this yesterday.
Is Monsey and Dan were filling in for you. We're
(20:35):
all about the bias. We like Reggie Miller's performance. I
think your take on this we heard earlier is that
stan Van Gundy kind of makes Reggie more palatable.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Huh.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
I think that Reggie Miller in this series has been
entertaining because of his bias and this is going to
trigger half our listeners. I understand this, but Megan Kelly
says this. Megan Kelly says that she does not hide
her right leaning stance. On things and she knows that
when or you know when you tune in that you're
(21:09):
getting your information from someone who is right leaning and
you could filter that through that prism as opposed to
the traditional media that has always been non transparent about
their bias and they just give you bias news. I'd
rather know going in that Reggie Miller is pulling for
the Pacers, then no, going in that Reggie we don't
(21:32):
know where he stands. I just I like the honesty there.
It's good transparency.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I don't mind the bias.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I like I think if we're totally honest with ourselves.
Reggie Miller was a very very good player. He was
not an all time great, but because of his all
time great moment in Madison Square Garden or all time
great moment in Madison Square Garden, honestly, that made his
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career like we're being let's again, we're all being grown
ups here, We're all big boy here, right like Reggie
Miller wasn't. He was never one of the top five
top ten players in the NBA ever. Ever, at best,
he was a third team All NBA guy, and I
think that was either once or twice, right, and there
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wasn't anybody at the time going like, you know, he
got screwed here Reggie Miller, like he just wasn't what
he had was he stayed with one team. He's a
great dude. Everybody thinks Reggie's a great dude. And he
had a couple of seminal moments, most notably though, what
was it eight seconds in Madison Square Garden. So I
(22:52):
understand how a Knicks fan it's different than your traditional broadcast, Okay,
but part of it is fuck the Knicks fans, dude,
they're so like, you can't possibly be that insecure, And
I'm sure a lot of them, the older ones, are
triggered by it because it's an embarrassing part in Nick's
history how that game went down, right, But that should
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and has no effect on Reggie, and Reggie should absolutely
lean into this because all he's known for. Because you know,
you can't do you don't you can't find like the
Reggie Miller won a championship, Reggie Miller average fifty and
carried a team Reggie Miller, like, now, that's not actually
how it went down.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
He was a really, really, very very good player.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
He was not a great player, but his career has
been amplified because he's on TV and because he's a
great dude, because he's a good personality, he stayed on
one team, and because of the moments in Medicine Square Guard.
So if you can't understand him leaning into that, then
you're just too fucking stupid and we shouldn't have to
deal with you.
Speaker 8 (23:55):
Buy Er flagged this. He heard this during the game
in the last game called by Reggie. This is a
great one.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
Matthewen has been so bad in this series for the Pacers.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
That just sounds like any fan on their couch. He's
been so bad in this series. So the Kaitlin Clark
conversation has been not evolving. Caitlyn Clark conversation kind of
stuck in the mud. And let's see, oh that Brittany
Grinder thing from this past weekend where she was like
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miss lip red As calling her an f and white
girl or something that only added to this to the
mud slinging. But anyways, el Duncan is a very thoughtful broadcaster.
She's an ESPN talent. She has a podcast she was
on with Bimani Jones. She summed up the Caitlin Clark
angel rees conversation this way.
Speaker 9 (24:52):
We are not getting anywhere at this point. We're just
not This is a very disingenuous space right now. Nobody
is really here to listen to anybody else's perspective. If
Lebron James posts that Caitlin Clark is his favorite player,
then he's getting for not protecting black women. And if
you post that Angel Reese is your favorite player, then
you're trying to stifle Caitlyn Clark's greatness. It's just unreal.
(25:17):
I'm not out here trying to sell you. Let's pivot
away from Caitlin Clark and talk about I am just
saying Caitlyn.
Speaker 10 (25:23):
Clark herself would love for you to focus on the
basketball part of it, because the fever this year, guys
are real contenders. And I know that as much as
she understands she is an other worldly star, she would
love for you to make it more about the basketball
and how well a Leah Boston's doing, and how well
Kelsey Mitchell's doing, and what a great piece Sophie is
and how they are actually contending.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
I kind of maybe you can repeat what you said.
I was falling asleep as you talked about how the
limber are improved. Listen, that was El Duncan fallen asleep
as she was talking about how the fever improved and
that she'd listed players I've never heard of. No one
cares about that.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Nobody gives a fuck, and El.
Speaker 8 (26:00):
Duncan is the reason we're having this shitty conversation. You know,
A there is a conflict in the world right now
that is very polarizing, and one take on this conflict
is if one stops fucking with the other, then none
of this happens. El Duncan and her WNBA defenders are
the one that keep pushing back on the narrative that
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Caitlin Clark is driving the popularity. El Duncan is one
of the people, and now she's saying that the conversation
is stuck in the mud.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Okay, I'm gonna do the thing which I despise that
people do, but it's a real thing, which is I'm
gonna give l Duncan a compliment and then I'm going
to cut through this bullshit.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Fair enough.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Okay, here's the conflict. She's actually really really good at
just being a broadcaster. She's funny, she's glib. I think
she's done. She did a lot of radio, like El
Duncan is somebody who prior to probably prior to COVID
when everybody kind of lost their mind and all this
other stuff, Like I would have said, man, she'd be
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great to co host a show with honestly super talented woman.
But whatever happened, I don't know. But yeah, it's fucking bad.
It's bad. It's really really bad. She's actually right about
the about this, the about how I don't I don't
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think people say you're stifling Kaitlyn Clark's growth you should.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
They just sound like fucking idiots. They're just fucking idiots.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
That's there's no real other Let's not talk about it
like well, it's because they're the strong black women and
they want no They just sound like dumb people. And
this goes across the board, white black, it's not all
black women. But somehow, again we must live in a
society that has mistreated black women to the point that
they feel like, hey, they have to be mentioned the
start of every sentence to be made feel good. Remember
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they they kind of did that to Caitlyn last year,
to Paige last year, like hey, I wouldn't be here
without for al for with an out for the black women.
It's like when Mac Brown was the head coach of Texas,
like he couldn't start any sort of sentence about his
team without saying a lot to thank the great coaches
and high school coaches in the great state of Texas,
Like you gotta start like they weren't like they weren't malat.
(28:19):
I don't know if they were disenfranchised for so many
years that this has to happen. But that's we didn't
not pay attention to WNBA because they're black women or
white women or women. We just don't like women's basketball.
Fucking reality, nobody actually likes women's basketball until Caitlyn Clark.
And she's like, you know what, I kind of like
how she plays. It's kind of fucking fun. And she's
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really good.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah, and she.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Looks like she could be like the kid that grew
up next door to me. Yeah, And she's kinda and
even the I'm not scared of you is kind of
the clowning this whole like tough, like I'm gonna knock
you on your ass, I'm gonna show you the way,
like all of it just feels so stupid to all
of us.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
And I think she kinda.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Every once in a while she has to say something
politically correct, but she kind of gives off the are
you fucking kidding me with this?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
This is so dumb? Why are we doing this?
Speaker 2 (29:12):
So Yeah, I don't know how El Duncan lost her mind,
but she lost her mind a while ago, and it
sucks because she's really really talented. Like I back when
I had an agent, I my agent, I called him.
I was like, hey, you know, I'd really like to
work with El Duncan. I think she's really good. But
she just kind of lost her mind.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
Sucks, you know that thing that's saying. I guess I
don't even know what the cliche is. But you should
never know the name of the official or the name
of the empire. Yes, the only reason you would know
the name of an umpire is if he did something wrong. Yeah,
John Tumpaine John to Tom Paynaw Tom Paygna homeplate umpire
in the Pirates game last night. I'm just gonna I mean,
(29:51):
you don't even need a visual here, you just need
to hear how the color commentator reacts to this pitch
to O'Neil Cruz.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Oh wow, it's hard to believe, can't figure this.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
That's what you call taking a bat out of a
hitter's hands right there.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Just don't see how it happens though, because it's never
a strike.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
It's low right when it leaves his hand, So.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
If you look at the visual, it's a good half
of a foot out of the strike songe And I
was thinking to myself, Doug, if only there was something
readily available to baseball to take away the subjectiveness of
human homeplate umpires.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, you mean, like a replay.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Yeah, if there's just something that they get, something like yesterday,
to take away anything like.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
This, that's crazy. Baseball's thing is nuts. I will say
that the replay, the way it works in the NBA
is annoying. I think Nick Wright pointed out that literally
every call in at the end of the Knicks Knicks
Pacers game lasts like three minutes. Every time there's a call,
(31:08):
the player does the review thing, which is fucking annoying. Right, Like,
if you call for a review and you don't get
it or you don't have one, then it should be
a technical foul.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Like I love that.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
So we do understand that the replay thing is going
to be a problem in baseball. But yet it's only
a problem. It's only going to be used because guys
have been so pathetic for so long. I'm gonna say
that the Caitlin Clark conversation just the fact we're still
here when time and again it's been proven that she's
(31:41):
bigger than the league and everybody should shut the actual
f up as a nice.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Because we can.
Speaker 8 (31:56):
Lebron James does a podcast with Steve Nash. I think
it's called Mind that Game.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Man.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
He doesn't mind using cursewords.
Speaker 11 (32:02):
I love the growing up I man, shit, they just
the order generation. They make you not want to love
the game that I grew up watching, like I grew
up loving a Knicks versus Bulls playoff series or a
Pacers versus Knicks playoff series like I love that like
or even like you know, obviously I'm from a small
(32:25):
town outside of Cleveland, but watching the cast get an
opportunity to play against you know, MJ didn't never see
it live, obviously, but everybody was excited about it. Seeing
you know, Charles Barkley playing Phoenix, like take his talent
to the Phoenix and help them get to the finals
was like so fucking dope. I mean, Kevin Johnson Dan Marley, like,
you know, those guys are really good players, but they
(32:46):
weren't like top of the line guys that got them
to the finals.
Speaker 12 (32:49):
And then like the generation, they talk so much shit
about today and it make you go back and watch
the game back then and it makes you not even
want to appreciate it no more like I did with other.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
He's right, I mean, he is right, they do talk
a lot of shit. It was a different sport, it
was played very differently. But I also think that the
eyes that he's looking through is how there is the
exact opposite of how they look at today's game right there.
They you know, it's you know, it's like it's like
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kids now in college are not broke, not just athletes,
like they're just not broke. People have way more money now.
College is a place of a ton of affluence.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
It just is.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I think one reason is because of five twenty nine plans.
A lot of people myself included, right, Like, you've been
planning for all this college stuff, so it's not just
getting by the way it used to just get by.
Like part of the joy to college when we were
kids was fuck with nobody had any money. Right now, honestly,
(33:59):
I feel like kids have more money, their parents have
their they're way better off than they.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Used to be.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
And and so it's a different experience. And so the
older generation we go back, are like, yeah, when we
when I was Notre Dame, we didn't have air conditioning
in our dorm? Did of air conditioning in our dorm?
Now it's eighty thousand dollars a year to go to
a Notre Dame. Do you think they have dorms on
air conditioning for eight thousand dollars a year?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Hell no.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
And so the older generations like, aah, we had it awesome,
we'd have air conditioning. It was great. It was dirty,
it was grimy. This is what we did. We grinded
through it. We you know, we figured out a way,
and they look down upon people with you know, more
affluent means, whereas people now will look back and go
(34:47):
like you went to it. You went to Notre Dame
and they didn't have air conditioning and didn't have lights
on their stadiums, They couldn't play at night and they
didn't have this, And why would you even go?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Why can we play it for you? Because we can't.
That's it for the end.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
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Speaker 3 (00:14):
Welcome in.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
Hey, I want to start the podcast talking about the
broadcast teams. And I say this because I've been a
part of broadcast teams up until this year, for twenty two,
twenty three years. Yeah, and I was watching the other
night and again, I'm just gonna be totally on something
we don't usually do when you're a broadcaster. Hey, no
(00:39):
one ever says somebody's bad or they don't love listening
to somebody. They just make sure they give praise for
people they think are really really good. Does it make sense?
Like you just it's just not really done, Like we
don't do it on radio shows like when the MIC's off.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, we talked shit on other radio shows.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
That's what everybody does, especially guys aren't good or used
to be good anymore. But same thing in broadcasting. I've
never been a huge Reggie Miller as a broadcaster guy,
and I've always been huge as a Reggie Miller guy.
(01:15):
And to anyone who's ever like, how does Reggie Miller,
How did he get that gig?
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Whatever?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
One, Reggie Mouler was a huge name, especially in New
York City because of what he did to the Knicks.
And two he's always had just a nice personality, a
nice way about him. He's not heavy and so yeah,
well he say some stupid shit. Yeah, when you broadcast
for this long at that level of games, you're going
to I say that because when they've added in stan
(01:42):
van Gundy to the TNT broadcast, it's outstanding. In two
thousand and four, maybe it was two thousand, maybe it
was two thousand and five, I was getting ready to
do a game late in the year for ESPN. I
called up Dan Steer, a guy who hired me at
the time at ESPN, and I was like, who's this
(02:03):
woman doing a Boston College. I want to say it
was Boston College Yukon, but it was like Troy Bell's
last regular season home game. It may have been Boston.
I don't know what the league they were at the time. Anyway,
Troy Bell was the all time leading scorer in the
Big East, Is he not? I think that's a great
little trivia question that will never be answered correctly.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
And he played for BC and the woman doing the game.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Was was Doris Burke, and she's like, oh, that's Doris Purk.
So Doris Burke executes a broadcast, the college broadcast as
well as anybody. What I mean by execute. She talks
when she's supposed to talk, she doesn't talk when she's
not supposed to talk. Her thoughts are very concise. She
provides just enough background, just enough insight, just enough analysis,
(02:48):
probably lacking some of the personality thing.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
In terms of execution of broadcast.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
It's fabulous, but I have to tell you that I
don't think it works with her and Richard Jay Everson
and Mike Breen. And if you go back a year ago,
Mike Breen had Mark Jackson and Jeff Van Gundy and
they were great.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Fire.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
What's your opinion again, My opinion does not The thing
about broadcasting everybody listens differently was last year Burke too,
Oh Burke and j J. Reddick, where I thought JJ
came across very smart but very arrogant, okay, And she
came across kind of matter of fact, but they used
her a little bit more third wheel. Now it's more
of a three person kind of traditional third person broadcast.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
Go ahead Dan, I I've actually not been annoyed by
Reggie Miller for years. I'm fine with Reggie Miller, and
I don't know if it's because I'm so accustomed to it,
but I feel like I'm in the absolute minority and
appreciating what Reggie Miller says and how he says it,
and really don't get too mad when he says ridiculous stuff.
(03:53):
There's no doubt that he misses things or gets stuff wrong,
and I feel that's an opportunity for people to pile
on Reggie Miller at that point. But I love the
new Reggie Miller through this Pacer series, something that you know,
we've talked about on the show and whatnot. The ESPN
Booth is interesting because I could not stand Mark Jackson.
I just could not stand it. I like Jeff Van
(04:14):
Gundy in the group prior and Breen is Breen's great
at what he does, so there's no change there. But
I was never a fan of Mark Jackson. But now
with the new Booth, I don't think that Richard Jefferson
is as seasoned. I'm willing to give it another year,
but it's it's tough because I think you're working at
a deficit at that point, which puts Doris Burke in
(04:35):
an even bigger spot. And to your point, maybe it's
it's just too much at that point. I'm not sure,
but there is something that is missing a little because
everything is not everything is not a big deal, and
I feel at times that that's what I get with
the ESPN group.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, yeah, well I would agree with you and look,
for years, the TNT broadcast teams were seen as far inferior.
If I play gaster could the UH. The analysis wasn't
as good, wasn't as good, but the studio has always
been better. I kind of think they're both better now.
Kind of think they're both better now now NBC comes
(05:13):
online next year, Red Juke over there is stand band
Gunny going over there. I'm not really sure. I look
at UH, I look at Mark Jackson like jelly like jelly, right,
Jeff fan Gandy was peanut butter. Everything's better with peanut butter.
(05:34):
And then you know, Breen was the Breen was the
bread right where Jelly by itself yeah not great. Like
nobody goes like, hey, I want to scoop a jelly, right,
They just don't like there's a limited number of things
you can use jelly on, peanut butter, good with chocolate.
I don't know if you guys ever had with celery,
(05:56):
like the healthy kind, you'd have it with uh, with bananas?
Peanut butter sandwich? Yeah, you peanut butter sandwich. Right again,
peanut green and ben Gundy Good? U add little Mark Jackson,
mamaye go to that man again?
Speaker 3 (06:11):
Right? You're like, I kind of like it.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
That works, whereas by itself, I don't really get much
out of it. Anyway, I do think the point about
being green is a big thing, and this is the
classic mistake. I feel like NBC may be making now
the difference to NBC and like Amazon's coverages. They got
Tariko hosting and like Turco is, he's like Eyron Eagle.
He makes everybody look way better and way more professional
(06:35):
and he's just incredible that way. But when you throw
too many people out there that haven't done it before
and haven't had because what happens is if they just
throw you into the deep end, like hey, go to
the NBA Finals, You're gonna have the producer working with
you and maybe somebody who's outside consultants sort of working
with you as opposed to you. If you have to
(06:57):
kind of come up through the ranks and do games
for s years, and they whoever the coordinating producers, somebody
comes in and watches films with you, and they send
you to somebody and they break down like, you'll get
really good out of the volume of reps. Volume of
reps if you used correctly, just make you way better.
And I also dan to a bigger point is if
(07:18):
you have people who haven't done it at that level
before and don't have the perspective of having done it
for fifteen twenty years, they do think everything is the biggest,
the brightest, and so it's a lot like when Bob
Knight first came to ESPN. I remember he said that
Joe Alexander from West Virginia was the best college basketball
(07:39):
player he'd seen all season long. And my point was, well, yeah,
Texas Tech was bad that year. He quit halfway through
the season, and at that point his career he hadn't
watched film and didn't watch anybody else play. So again,
if you're not watching a lot of ball and you
just watch a couple of games, and Joe Alexander was
a really good player, yeah he's not actually lying. He's
just had the perspective of that's not actually accurate in
the case makes sense absolutely, Yeah, Anyway, it's just interesting.
(08:03):
It's a it's a field where we have there's like
three people who talk about it nationally or write about
it nationally.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
None of them have actually performed it.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
And I don't value their opinion as much as I
value our opinion because we've ingested for so long and
then I've done the actual thing.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Anyway, be sure to catch live editions of The Doug
Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on
Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
Let's Get what the Fox Says and now.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Every day, this time in the Doug Gottlieb Show in
the Bonus Podcast, and play for you a previous portion
of a previous show on Fox Sports Radio. Here's pretty
Quinn talking about NFL players being allowed flag football in
the Olympics and flag football star Darryl Ducett saying that
nflers won't make the team without a fight.
Speaker 5 (08:59):
If the NFL players could come in and immediately take
his job, which they all could and probably should and will,
if we want our best players in there, representing our country,
but the other way around would work, Like he can't
make it in the NFL as a quarterback or as
anything other than that. So it's not like our best
guys are playing flag football in this league competing with them.
(09:21):
So it's no disrespect for the game they've been a
part of. But if these guys were good enough, they
wouldn't be playing flag football. They would be playing in
the NFL because that's where you actually make real money.
None of these dudes are walking around like being like, man,
if I could just you know, a little bit more
(09:41):
of this flag football keeps growing like we're really gonna
get it. No, Like the NFL is where your hopes
and dreams are for football, it's not flag football. And
I'm not saying that to discourage any young people who
are playing flag football. It's fun. It's not an opportunity though,
to grow and play into a real sport like the
(10:02):
NFL is, which is the greatest sport in this country.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
God, he sounds like a politician, didn't and he was
talking about like, which is the greatest sport in this country?
Speaker 3 (10:14):
And the.
Speaker 2 (10:16):
Yeah, again, I don't I don't understand the argument. I'm
not really sure, why we're putting it in the Olympics, right,
does it grow the game of flag football? Like, yeah,
I guess Look, here's my take on flag football. Can
we have the real discussion. So my son played flag
football for like eight years and after about I don't know,
(10:39):
but after about like the third or fourth year, like, yeah,
it's dumb. It's super fun to play like once or
twice a year. But the idea of like once you
get to where you've seen real football and they can
actually tackle, then it's just it's just really dumb. It's
a good little aerobic sport, but it's not football. There's
(11:00):
so many different elements to football, which it is not.
But I don't like, why are we throwing a sport
into the Olympics. Which, yeah, it's sort of popular. It's
it's popularity I would call into question because what happens
is somebody's like, look at how many kids play flag
(11:23):
football per year in the United States. Okay, but why
does it exist? Does it exist because people really love
flag football? Or is it because they don't want their
kid playing tackle football until a certain age so they
don't get brain damage. The truth is that one sport
(11:43):
is really popular tackle football. One sport is just kind
of a not real version of it that has some
elements of it, But the one that's really popular is
crazy dangerous, and the one that's sort of not is
just easy, like anybody can do it. So maybe it's
(12:05):
the thought of exporting flag football the way they think
flag football is gonna be a great growth opportunity.
Speaker 3 (12:09):
I just don't right.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
They have a a collision free contact field sport that
is much more popular in the rest of the world.
It's called soccer. They call it football. That's what people
that's what kids play. Here's Dan Patrick talking about the
state of college sports.
Speaker 6 (12:31):
College sports right now in limbo, and there's some real
issues here the college football playoffs and the haves and
the have nots. It's going to get uglier. You know.
My college football source told me this morning that we
are expanding in twenty twenty six, that the college Football
(12:53):
Playoff Committee will go to sixteen teams. But here's keep
an eye on this, because the SEC and the Big
ten want four teams guaranteed four team they want half
of the playoffs, and then you're gonna have two from
the ACC, two from the Big twelve, and then we
work our way down to one, you know, per other
conferences in there. Notre Dame is gonna get in there,
(13:14):
Like Notre Dame is never joining a conference. If there
was any thought, any hope, it's not happening because all
they have to do is win ten games. They're one
of the sixteen teams and they don't have to share
that money with anybody. But that's what's happening, and they
control their schedule. But college football's got to decide, like.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
What are you like?
Speaker 6 (13:32):
What do you want to be because we keep trying
to stay behind this student athlete mask and it's not
there anymore. This is big business, treated his big business.
And then decide what you're gonna do with the other programs.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
Yeah, I mean it's kind of crazy. I was thinking
about this earlier today and we've made so many changes.
I do understand the financial implications of it, But you
know what really sucks. Do you know what will happened
a very very small percentage of time is kid gets
(14:11):
recruited out of high school, goes to his dream school.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
You know, red shirts.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
His first year plays special teams, his second year plays
a little bit more. You know, it's like second string,
his third year starter, his fourth year All League, his
fifth year. Right, the normal progression of a guy you
want to have as part of your program and grow
(14:40):
and evolve and mature and have a great experience. Five
years at a school and then they graduate and maybe
they get a cup of coffee in the NFL, and
then they become you know, they're part of sale, you know,
a local sales team, and you know they come back
for alumni functions.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
Like all of that shit is going away.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
It's going away, right, all of it It's gone.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
And I just.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I just I look at this and I say to myself, Damn,
I don't understand why people don't value all those other
things that I value. I get it right there. The
money that the top is making is obscene, obscene, But
(15:44):
yeah they're not. They're they're losing out on these incredible things.
And here would be like, I don't know if this
works for you in terms of a parallel, but were
any of you guys in a or sorority when you're
in school and you take that out and you're like, well,
(16:05):
what if somebody had to work full time when they
were in school and because of they could make more
money working full time somewhere else. They actually, you know,
changed schools several different times and made more money. And
when they get done with school, would you say, like, hey,
they had a great experience at that school, Like, yeah,
you know, they went to junior college for a year.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
They went to this school for a year, They went
to that school for a year.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
They made some friends, they got some relationships, they made
some money, and now they're off. They got a good job,
Like you'll still get the same job when you're done,
and maybe you have more money to start that job,
but all of the other stuff you don't have. And
that's the sad reality of it. And I'm a guy
who switched schools, right, but I played three years at
one and that that was a life changing experience. Here's
(16:49):
Colin Cowhert talking about the difference between with the comparison
of Shay and Anthony Edwards.
Speaker 7 (16:55):
SGA scored less than twenty points one time in the
regular season and fifteen times and they're both the centerpiece
of the offense. And part of it is AUNT is
twenty three and SGA is twenty six and isn't as refined.
SGA is more focused, more refined, more consistent. You know what,
(17:18):
you get. He doesn't fall out of his game regardless
of what you throw at him. He makes great decisions.
He's older. The foots on the accelerator. SGA averaged thirty
three a game. Why because he mostly scored thirty three
a game at averaged twenty eight a game, thirty nine
to one night, twenty two the next night. That's what
(17:38):
his game is, and that is great. Older athletes could
be a quarterback, could be a point guard. They're more consistent.
You don't get the highs and the lows. SGA. I mean,
aunt still has volatility to his game. SGA is oatmeal
for breakfast, he's a belt for lunch, and those puppies
last forever.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I also think they're just different players. I mean, look,
what's happened is every time every time Anthony Edwards puts
the ball on the floor, he's got a second defender
and sometimes a third defender there. So they don't have
the space, the requisite space and spacing. Nor is he
(18:27):
the type of player. But more than anything, it's a
spacing issue, and he's not the pastor of SGA. SGA
was a point guard, still sort of a scoring guard
in terms of how he plays, but a lot of
it comes down to spacing.
Speaker 3 (18:40):
I mean, I thought there was a huge three. The
three that end up being.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
The backbreaker that Jadub hit Jaylen Williams hit was you know,
Caruso was on the left side of the court, and
so see if you can picture this, Cruso's on the
left side of the court. He sets a flare screen
because his man's in help. So his man, just like
Anthony Edwards, is standing in the lane to help on
a on an SGA drive. Sga takes wonderable to the
(19:05):
left and Jalen Williams man also comes to help. But
Caruso goes and sits what's called a flare screen, and
because his man's in help as well, they get to
open three on the left wing. The point is that
the spacing is better, Honestly, the coaching is a little
bit better, but also the personnel is better for that
spacing and a better understanding of how they're guarding him,
(19:27):
more so than any player one player's or the age
of a player, the experience of a player. They're different players,
their teams are different, their attacks are different, and and honestly,
Minnesota's offensive game plan wasn't the problem last night. Is
that they could not stop Oklahoma City.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
That's what the Fox said.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
I'd say, be sure to catch live editions of The
Doug Gottlieb Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific
on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (20:01):
Let's find out Who're What's annoying Jason Stewart.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
And now it's your annoying.
Speaker 8 (20:13):
Hey, Doug, we got this Reggie Miller controversy. A lot
of Nicks fans hate the fact that Reggie sounds so
biased and awful. Announcing does one of those things where
they post a blog with all the Twitter issues that
listeners have with Reggie Miller. We talked about this yesterday.
Is Monsey and Dan were filling in for you. We're
(20:35):
all about the bias. We like Reggie Miller's performance. I
think your take on this we heard earlier is that
stan Van Gundy kind of makes Reggie more palatable.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Huh.
Speaker 8 (20:46):
I think that Reggie Miller in this series has been
entertaining because of his bias and this is going to
trigger half our listeners. I understand this, but Megan Kelly
says this. Megan Kelly says that she does not hide
her right leaning stance. On things and she knows that
when or you know when you tune in that you're
(21:09):
getting your information from someone who is right leaning and
you could filter that through that prism as opposed to
the traditional media that has always been non transparent about
their bias and they just give you bias news. I'd
rather know going in that Reggie Miller is pulling for
the Pacers, then no, going in that Reggie we don't
(21:32):
know where he stands. I just I like the honesty there.
It's good transparency.
Speaker 3 (21:40):
I don't mind the bias.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
I like I think if we're totally honest with ourselves.
Reggie Miller was a very very good player. He was
not an all time great, but because of his all
time great moment in Madison Square Garden or all time
great moment in Madison Square Garden, honestly, that made his
(22:06):
career like we're being let's again, we're all being grown
ups here, We're all big boy here, right like Reggie
Miller wasn't. He was never one of the top five
top ten players in the NBA ever. Ever, at best,
he was a third team All NBA guy, and I
think that was either once or twice, right, and there
(22:29):
wasn't anybody at the time going like, you know, he
got screwed here Reggie Miller, like he just wasn't what
he had was he stayed with one team. He's a
great dude. Everybody thinks Reggie's a great dude. And he
had a couple of seminal moments, most notably though, what
was it eight seconds in Madison Square Garden. So I
(22:52):
understand how a Knicks fan it's different than your traditional broadcast, Okay,
but part of it is fuck the Knicks fans, dude,
they're so like, you can't possibly be that insecure, And
I'm sure a lot of them, the older ones, are
triggered by it because it's an embarrassing part in Nick's
history how that game went down, right, But that should
(23:17):
and has no effect on Reggie, and Reggie should absolutely
lean into this because all he's known for. Because you know,
you can't do you don't you can't find like the
Reggie Miller won a championship, Reggie Miller average fifty and
carried a team Reggie Miller, like, now, that's not actually
how it went down.
Speaker 3 (23:35):
He was a really, really, very very good player.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
He was not a great player, but his career has
been amplified because he's on TV and because he's a
great dude, because he's a good personality, he stayed on
one team, and because of the moments in Medicine Square Guard.
So if you can't understand him leaning into that, then
you're just too fucking stupid and we shouldn't have to
deal with you.
Speaker 8 (23:55):
Buy Er flagged this. He heard this during the game
in the last game called by Reggie. This is a
great one.
Speaker 7 (24:04):
Matthewen has been so bad in this series for the Pacers.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
That just sounds like any fan on their couch. He's
been so bad in this series. So the Kaitlin Clark
conversation has been not evolving. Caitlyn Clark conversation kind of
stuck in the mud. And let's see, oh that Brittany
Grinder thing from this past weekend where she was like
(24:32):
miss lip red As calling her an f and white
girl or something that only added to this to the
mud slinging. But anyways, el Duncan is a very thoughtful broadcaster.
She's an ESPN talent. She has a podcast she was
on with Bimani Jones. She summed up the Caitlin Clark
angel rees conversation this way.
Speaker 9 (24:52):
We are not getting anywhere at this point. We're just
not This is a very disingenuous space right now. Nobody
is really here to listen to anybody else's perspective. If
Lebron James posts that Caitlin Clark is his favorite player,
then he's getting for not protecting black women. And if
you post that Angel Reese is your favorite player, then
you're trying to stifle Caitlyn Clark's greatness. It's just unreal.
(25:17):
I'm not out here trying to sell you. Let's pivot
away from Caitlin Clark and talk about I am just
saying Caitlyn.
Speaker 10 (25:23):
Clark herself would love for you to focus on the
basketball part of it, because the fever this year, guys
are real contenders. And I know that as much as
she understands she is an other worldly star, she would
love for you to make it more about the basketball
and how well a Leah Boston's doing, and how well
Kelsey Mitchell's doing, and what a great piece Sophie is
and how they are actually contending.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
I kind of maybe you can repeat what you said.
I was falling asleep as you talked about how the
limber are improved. Listen, that was El Duncan fallen asleep
as she was talking about how the fever improved and
that she'd listed players I've never heard of. No one
cares about that.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Nobody gives a fuck, and El.
Speaker 8 (26:00):
Duncan is the reason we're having this shitty conversation. You know,
A there is a conflict in the world right now
that is very polarizing, and one take on this conflict
is if one stops fucking with the other, then none
of this happens. El Duncan and her WNBA defenders are
the one that keep pushing back on the narrative that
(26:23):
Caitlin Clark is driving the popularity. El Duncan is one
of the people, and now she's saying that the conversation
is stuck in the mud.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Okay, I'm gonna do the thing which I despise that
people do, but it's a real thing, which is I'm
gonna give l Duncan a compliment and then I'm going
to cut through this bullshit.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
Fair enough.
Speaker 2 (26:44):
Okay, here's the conflict. She's actually really really good at
just being a broadcaster. She's funny, she's glib. I think
she's done. She did a lot of radio, like El
Duncan is somebody who prior to probably prior to COVID
when everybody kind of lost their mind and all this
other stuff, Like I would have said, man, she'd be
(27:04):
great to co host a show with honestly super talented woman.
But whatever happened, I don't know. But yeah, it's fucking bad.
It's bad. It's really really bad. She's actually right about
the about this, the about how I don't I don't
(27:27):
think people say you're stifling Kaitlyn Clark's growth you should.
Speaker 3 (27:30):
They just sound like fucking idiots. They're just fucking idiots.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
That's there's no real other Let's not talk about it
like well, it's because they're the strong black women and
they want no They just sound like dumb people. And
this goes across the board, white black, it's not all
black women. But somehow, again we must live in a
society that has mistreated black women to the point that
they feel like, hey, they have to be mentioned the
start of every sentence to be made feel good. Remember
(27:57):
they they kind of did that to Caitlyn last year,
to Paige last year, like hey, I wouldn't be here
without for al for with an out for the black women.
It's like when Mac Brown was the head coach of Texas,
like he couldn't start any sort of sentence about his
team without saying a lot to thank the great coaches
and high school coaches in the great state of Texas,
Like you gotta start like they weren't like they weren't malat.
(28:19):
I don't know if they were disenfranchised for so many
years that this has to happen. But that's we didn't
not pay attention to WNBA because they're black women or
white women or women. We just don't like women's basketball.
Fucking reality, nobody actually likes women's basketball until Caitlyn Clark.
And she's like, you know what, I kind of like
how she plays. It's kind of fucking fun. And she's
(28:39):
really good.
Speaker 3 (28:41):
Yeah, and she.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Looks like she could be like the kid that grew
up next door to me. Yeah, And she's kinda and
even the I'm not scared of you is kind of
the clowning this whole like tough, like I'm gonna knock
you on your ass, I'm gonna show you the way,
like all of it just feels so stupid to all
of us.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
And I think she kinda.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
Every once in a while she has to say something
politically correct, but she kind of gives off the are
you fucking kidding me with this?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
This is so dumb? Why are we doing this?
Speaker 2 (29:12):
So Yeah, I don't know how El Duncan lost her mind,
but she lost her mind a while ago, and it
sucks because she's really really talented. Like I back when
I had an agent, I my agent, I called him.
I was like, hey, you know, I'd really like to
work with El Duncan. I think she's really good. But
she just kind of lost her mind.
Speaker 8 (29:31):
Sucks, you know that thing that's saying. I guess I
don't even know what the cliche is. But you should
never know the name of the official or the name
of the empire. Yes, the only reason you would know
the name of an umpire is if he did something wrong. Yeah,
John Tumpaine John to Tom Paynaw Tom Paygna homeplate umpire
in the Pirates game last night. I'm just gonna I mean,
(29:51):
you don't even need a visual here, you just need
to hear how the color commentator reacts to this pitch
to O'Neil Cruz.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
Oh wow, it's hard to believe, can't figure this.
Speaker 8 (30:09):
That's what you call taking a bat out of a
hitter's hands right there.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
Just don't see how it happens though, because it's never
a strike.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
It's low right when it leaves his hand, So.
Speaker 8 (30:19):
If you look at the visual, it's a good half
of a foot out of the strike songe And I
was thinking to myself, Doug, if only there was something
readily available to baseball to take away the subjectiveness of
human homeplate umpires.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Yeah, you mean, like a replay.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Yeah, if there's just something that they get, something like yesterday,
to take away anything like.
Speaker 2 (30:46):
This, that's crazy. Baseball's thing is nuts. I will say
that the replay, the way it works in the NBA
is annoying. I think Nick Wright pointed out that literally
every call in at the end of the Knicks Knicks
Pacers game lasts like three minutes. Every time there's a call,
(31:08):
the player does the review thing, which is fucking annoying. Right, Like,
if you call for a review and you don't get
it or you don't have one, then it should be
a technical foul.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
Like I love that.
Speaker 2 (31:19):
So we do understand that the replay thing is going
to be a problem in baseball. But yet it's only
a problem. It's only going to be used because guys
have been so pathetic for so long. I'm gonna say
that the Caitlin Clark conversation just the fact we're still
here when time and again it's been proven that she's
(31:41):
bigger than the league and everybody should shut the actual
f up as a nice.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
Because we can.
Speaker 8 (31:56):
Lebron James does a podcast with Steve Nash. I think
it's called Mind that Game.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
Man.
Speaker 8 (32:00):
He doesn't mind using cursewords.
Speaker 11 (32:02):
I love the growing up I man, shit, they just
the order generation. They make you not want to love
the game that I grew up watching, like I grew
up loving a Knicks versus Bulls playoff series or a
Pacers versus Knicks playoff series like I love that like
or even like you know, obviously I'm from a small
(32:25):
town outside of Cleveland, but watching the cast get an
opportunity to play against you know, MJ didn't never see
it live, obviously, but everybody was excited about it. Seeing
you know, Charles Barkley playing Phoenix, like take his talent
to the Phoenix and help them get to the finals
was like so fucking dope. I mean, Kevin Johnson Dan Marley, like,
you know, those guys are really good players, but they
(32:46):
weren't like top of the line guys that got them
to the finals.
Speaker 12 (32:49):
And then like the generation, they talk so much shit
about today and it make you go back and watch
the game back then and it makes you not even
want to appreciate it no more like I did with other.
Speaker 2 (33:03):
He's right, I mean, he is right, they do talk
a lot of shit. It was a different sport, it
was played very differently. But I also think that the
eyes that he's looking through is how there is the
exact opposite of how they look at today's game right there.
They you know, it's you know, it's like it's like
(33:26):
kids now in college are not broke, not just athletes,
like they're just not broke. People have way more money now.
College is a place of a ton of affluence.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
It just is.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
I think one reason is because of five twenty nine plans.
A lot of people myself included, right, Like, you've been
planning for all this college stuff, so it's not just
getting by the way it used to just get by.
Like part of the joy to college when we were
kids was fuck with nobody had any money. Right now, honestly,
(33:59):
I feel like kids have more money, their parents have
their they're way better off than they.
Speaker 3 (34:03):
Used to be.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
And and so it's a different experience. And so the
older generation we go back, are like, yeah, when we
when I was Notre Dame, we didn't have air conditioning
in our dorm? Did of air conditioning in our dorm?
Now it's eighty thousand dollars a year to go to
a Notre Dame. Do you think they have dorms on
air conditioning for eight thousand dollars a year?
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Hell no.
Speaker 2 (34:26):
And so the older generations like, aah, we had it awesome,
we'd have air conditioning. It was great. It was dirty,
it was grimy. This is what we did. We grinded
through it. We you know, we figured out a way,
and they look down upon people with you know, more
affluent means, whereas people now will look back and go
(34:47):
like you went to it. You went to Notre Dame
and they didn't have air conditioning and didn't have lights
on their stadiums, They couldn't play at night and they
didn't have this, And why would you even go?
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Why can we play it for you? Because we can't.
That's it for the end.
Speaker 2 (34:59):
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