May 29, 2025 • 35 mins
Doug riffs on the idea to expand the NCAA Basketball Tournament. Doug welcomes Oklahoma State head golf coach Alan Bratton onto the pod to talk about their recent NCAA championship. Doug reacts to Joy Taylor's take on Aaron Rodgers. Doug chooses among deserving candidates Jason Stewart deems as most annoying today. Plus, Demar DeRozan makes today's installment of "Because We Can".
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What m H welcome in its Doug Gottlieb Show in
the penas alread no, so we're gonna do this is
gonna be a lot of a lot of college on
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this year, pod and I think this is super important
to start with him to note. Okay, so it appears
that the NCAA tournament will expand. So all reports from
the NCAA. And Charlie Baker is the head of the NCAA.
Charlie Baker came from Congress. Obviously, a lot of the
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stuff they're trying to do with the NCAA is they're
trying to they're trying to get some special legislation. So
because every rule they have ends up getting struck down
when it goes to the courts, the only way to
prevent that from happening is you get what is it
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called what's a term called I always forget it. It's
a term for when you can basically have a monopoly. Oh,
they want to get some anti trust rules put in. Anyway,
so Charlie Baker is the new head to the NCAA,
and Charlie Baker obviously has a background in DC and
with the effort by the NCAA, it's pretty obvious, right,
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you got to get some anti trust legislation in there
so that otherwise, any rule, even when it's voted on
by the member institutions, you can go to a local
judge if they're a sports friendly judge and say like, hey,
let's get this thing get temporary or injunction. It feels
that way. So what the NCAA is trying to do,
it's smart is a hire somebody that has connections in
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Washington that can figure out how do we stop the bleeding,
you know, and has stopped the constant legislation, constant court
cases over any sort of rule that you pass. Meanwhile,
Charlie Baker today said, hey, they're going to meet and
the plan is to expand the NCAA tournament to seventy
two to seventy six. Seventy two to seventy six teams
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there's currently sixty eight, which of course has met with
people like myself when I was more of a college
basketball analyst saying how dare you let's mark John wash
I done John Rostein, who's a friend and a little
bit over the top, but yeah, a friend and a
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little bit over the top Rostein Utlest Let me read
his tweet here real quick, which is, Dear America, I
will host an open rally in Central Park to protest
the expansion of the NCAA tournament if this chatter continues.
If you don't live in the NYC area, you're more
than welcome to fly in and attend. We must stick
together when this crisis occurs. Sincerely, JR. I love John
Ross team, okay, but I mean, first of all, people
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don't care that much, and the ones that do know
here's the truth. Everything costs money. So why would the
NCAA do this? Well, they make more money and this
is the only place where the NCAA makes money. If
you expand from sixty eight teams to seventy two teams,
that's two more games, incredibly valuable, four more games if
you go to seventy six, right, four more games. So
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remember the number of Division one teams has expanded to
three hundred and sixty four, but in terms of ratio,
it hasn't expanded with it. Do I love it? I
do not. I think sixty four is fine. Now I
know there's people that say, well, look, listen, tournament expansion
that's killing green Bay's hopes. So like green Bay's not
getting it in, is it at large? Not getting it?
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Is it at large?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
You know?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Should conferences at our level that have great seasons, you know,
like a Drake last year, had they not won their
conference tournament championship, should they have gotten in? Yes? Yes,
there was a time in which Brian Wordle, who's now
the head coach of Bradley, was here. They lost in
the championship game for the rise in league. Risley was
a much higher rated tournament, higher rated league at the time.
Should have gotten into that large, especially if you have
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seventy two to seventy six teams. But none of this
is the reason that it's being done. It's not for fars.
It's the NCAA wants to maintain whatever they can as
an organization, right, and so how do you do that.
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One you got to keep your constituents happy. And the
most important constituents that are the least happy are the
big boys. So if you expand to seventy six from
sixty eight, it stands the reason that of the eight spots,
six go to the Power four conferences. That keeps them happy.
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Remember you don't it's not just the schools that get in,
but every member of the conference, and those conferences they
get credit units for every team in every round that
they're in the tournament. It's not just the lifeblood of
the NCAA, it's lifeblood of college athletics, especially basketball schools.
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They don't have college football, so it's from the NCAA.
They make more money and they keep the NCAA the
schools together at Division one right because if there was
a chance to break off, which some have threatened, if
you break off, now, the NCAA tournament crumbles, the revenue crumbles,
and it becomes wild West. It doesn't work, really doesn't
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work for anybody. I don't think those schools would ever
break off because the NCAA tournament because that funds all
their Olympic sports. But do you really want to risk it?
And the NCAA's answer is no. If it's do we
want to risk it when we've already expanded past sixty four,
we do not. We want to do it as smartly
as possible. And that's why I do seventy two first,
and every incremental change you create incremental revenue growth. That's
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what I would do. I wouldn't go to seventy six
right away. I go seventy two. Hey, you want to
go seventy six. Bunch more money, bunch more money. The
schools want to do it because we have to pair
players now and the best chance of paying your players
is to have more revenue coming in. And you get
more revenue when you play in the nca tournament. Period,
stop or teams in your more teams in your league playing
the nca tournament. So do I think it's great for
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the fairness of sport? Probably not? Do I think it
it It will ultimately hurt the bracket, which is that
bracket sixty fourteen. Bracket is all that matters in better's minds.
And you know, you ask, ninety five percent of the
people who fill out a bracket don't know that the
first four is played exists or or and where they
won't know these games exist either. All that matters is
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the bracket, and that's how they'll keep it. It's really
smart because that's really valuable. But it's about money and
it's about keeping the NCAA together. That's what it's about,
and those two things trump everything else. That's why it'll happen.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 2 (07:09):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. And let's catch
up with a guy who his team just won a
national championship yesterday, the twelfth in school history. Alan Branton
joins us. He's the head coach of Oklahoma State and
they go and beat Virginia, who is a heavy favorite
and older team, and Oklahoma State wins their twelfth NCAA
Golf championship and coach joins us year on the Doug
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Gottlieb Show. Coach, how are you?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I'm doing great. Just hearing you say that Oklahoma States
and NASH champions never gets old. I love hearing that.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
No, it does not. What was coming into this year?
What did you think of your team?
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Well, we have three new faces on the team this year,
along with some other freshmen, but the three impact players
a Swedish freshman and two transfers from cal And I
knew we had a talented group, but you never know
with so many new faces. We had four additional other freshmen,
lots of new faces on the team. You never know
how things are going to gel and but as we
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went through the year, we just built momentum. The guys
really care about each other, work their tails off, and
such a privilege to be standing either side when they
reach a goal like.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
That you mentioned it's a very young team. What college golf,
what's the landscape like? Right? Like in college basketball, everybody's old,
everybody's old. What's college golf like in terms of the
age of the players.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Well, there's a lot of similarities. It's unique that we
are so young with COVID. We graduated a bunch of
guys last year. We had five guys finish up last year,
so we had five freshmen and two transfers, so seven
new faces. Our team of eleven was ten freshmen or
sophomore so no seniors. So a little bit different, but
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there's similarities across the board, people coming in and out
of the portal, and not altogether different than basketball. But
we were fortunate to have a young, talented group that
was full of confidence and they got the job done yesterday.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Now the home course for OCMA State is Carston Creek.
It's incredible, but it's going through renovation, isn't. Are you
guys even able to use it?
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Well, we haven't. The last year and a half, we've
actually recreated the club, renamed it is now just called Carston,
which is basically what everybody kind of called it before.
It's now a private club and we just opened right
before the regional. We had a day for our donors.
We're fortunate, as you know, to have tons of support
and people that come out and watch us play and
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support us financially. And we redid the golf course open
May ninth. We got to play on it on the
ninth and the tenth, and then we flew to the
regional on the tenth and practice between Regionals and Nationals
leading into the championship at LaCosta. And clearly it paid
off having our course back because our guys sure stepped
up on a big stage.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Okay, I bring it up because I believe the new
design is to try and make it like the toughest
challenge of golf maybe anywhere. But you didn't have it
for this season. So is there the other side too,
which is like, wow, you didn't actually have your course
for a national championship season? Is there a correlation between
your home course and your success as.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
A program anywhere else. Well, I mean, you know as
well as I do. There's a lot more that goes
into the success of a program than just facilities. Facilities
help you attract good players, and obviously you want a
great training ground, but you can become a good player
and a great competitor anywhere. And the culture of our
program and the success we've had for a long time,
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I think breeds champions I'm a product of that program,
was fortunate to play at Oklahoma State and then now
to have coached for the last twenty one years, So
you know, lots of things went into that. But we're
certainly excited to have our golf course back. The guys
were chomping at the bit to get out there, and
it should help us attract the right kind of kids going.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Forward, no question. Let me ask you that question, as
a player or as a coach, which is more rewarding.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
You know. Coach Older told me or asked me that
when we won our last championship in twenty eighteen. The newsthand.
My instinct right away was obviously, as a player, you
have control, you have the club in your hand. I
backtracked on that a little bit, but a lot of
that was the fact that our previous championship that we
won in twenty eighteen was at home in front of
fans that have done so much for you over the years,
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and to be able to deliver that at home, I
don't think I'll ever be able to trump that. So
I would say coaching and winning the championship in Stillwater
is the best. Other than that, it was sure nice
having the club in my hand when we won.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
What is it like you mentioned the youth of this team.
What is your job like? How do you mentally connect
with some of these young players in the pressure of
the moment? And I asked that because I do wonder
like I'm watching Philip yesterday and I'm thinking, I'm thinking, well,
obviously they've all played super high level golf with a
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ton of pressure on them, but some of it is
also they just don't mean a freshmen. You just don't know.
You don't know what it's like to lose this, so
you don't know any better. What is it like in
dealing with young players in these sort of pressure back moments.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Well, fortunately, all those guys that were playing yesterday, they
might be young, but like you said, they've got experience
at an elite level and specifically the match play, and
Phillip's a sweetish kid. In Europe, they do a great
job of developing kids in their national programs and they
play a lot of match play, so we had tons
of experience. I put him out first every day. He's
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a fantastic ball striker. In match play, you want to
be hitting your ball in the fairway on the green.
He's a long hitter as well, so he was hitting
second into the greens and did a great job of
keeping pressure on his opponents, so I couldn't ask for
more for a freshman. He let us out each match
and he won all three matches, so it doesn't get
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much better than that.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Now, winning at the coast so not terrible. Winning as
a freshman not terrible, and then going home to the
best home course in the country also not terrible. Good
to be you, coach. Congrats on getting the big dub,
on pulling home yet another national title to the Golf School,
and thanks for bringing our guest.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Thanks for having me on, Doug. Always a pleasure to
do something for people to pay attention to, so thanks
for having me on.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Let's get to what the Fox said, and now I'd
say every day at this time and the Doug Gotlib Show.
In the Bonus Podcast, we play for you a piece
of a previous show on Fox Sports Radio or Fox
Sports One. This is Colin Cowhert talking about Shake Gildas Alexander.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
The great thing about SGA, of the many great things,
what I really like because he is delivering and fulfilling
everything I've been told Jason Tatum does, but doesn't really.
Last year, the Celtics going their championship run, Jalen Brown's
the MVP of the Eastern Conference Finals. Jalen Brown's the
Finals MVP, and Jalen Brown's the aggressor and often the initiator.
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SGA wants the ball, is always the aggressor and he
plays Williams Home great. He's got multiple great players around him,
but he is clearly the alpha. And that's all I
ever asked with Tatum and got pushedback. You know, that's
I'm holding Jason Tatum to the standard. You guys all
lectured me on for years on Lebron when Lebron didn't
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take the shot. He's the alpha, he's the one. If
he wants to be MJ, he's got to always take
the shot. Okay, Well, that's the standard of SGA and
Jokic right now. Like like, I think both Jokic and
SGA can elevate teammates, and clearly do elevate teammates. But
there is no question in this Oklahoma City room or
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that Denver locker room, or in the huddle or any
time there's a late possession, who's the man.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, listen, I think that's I think that's fair. That's fair.
I don't know why Jason Tatum is catching strays here.
He's a different player. I think Jason Tatum is a
more explosive score pure score than even Shay Is. And
I know Shaye puts up a volume of numbers, but
they're different sorts of players. Again, I don't know why where.
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I'm not sure why Colin is taking this moment for
Jason Tatum, who's recovering from an achilles, to catch strays.
If we look back at the Knick series, they did
have two twenty point leads that they blew. If not
for that, one of those games changes, the outcome of
the whole series changes. Maybe he's not hurt, maybe he's
still playing. I don't know. I don't know. I've never
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been a huge Jason Tatum guy, but I do respect
the fact that he's a bucket getter, even if there's
a certain kind of mechanical style to what he does.
And as much as we can sit there and be
critical of Jason Tatum, we could be critical of shay
Gil Zuzanner. What would he be without being the foul
merchant that he is? So it doesn't matter otherwise. Here's
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Dan Patrick talking about the NBA Finals ratings. If Indiana plays, Okay, see.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Get ready for this, it's going to happen. Let's say
the Pacers face the thunder. You're going to hear from
the non watchers. Oh, ratings are going to be terrible. Okay,
they might be down, But keep this in mind. The
NBA just signed eleven year how many billions of dollars
seventy six billion dollar TV deal?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, eleven year, seventy six billion through the twenty thirty
five thirty six season.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Fo Okay, so you may take a hit with the ratings,
and but you know you're going to rebound. I don't
know if they're taking money away. I don't know what
the deal is, but you know our network's going to say,
if we don't have a certain rating, then we get
money back.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
I don't know that.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
But you know, for everybody who's going to say, and
these are the non watchers, being like, you know, the
non watchers always have an opinion on things. It's like,
and I noticed this with a WNBA, with Caitlyn Clark
and Angel Rees. Those are the non watchers who have
opinions because those who are watching don't have those opinions.
It's all of these other people who want to have
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like something deep rooted in them that they want to
get off their chest. And they use Caitlin Clark and
Angel Rees as sort of the you know, launching pad
for that. But the non watchers, hey, don't. I mean,
that's why you're a non watcher. But you'll have an
opinion on nobody's going to watch this, okay, then don't.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, we talked about this in the radio show, and
I know it to be true that if you can
win over Jason Stewart. You can win over anybody. And
the point that Dan's trying to make is like, ratings
be damned. It's been good fun basketball to watch. It's
going to continue to be and and maybe it takes
Oklahoma City winning a couple of titles to gain the
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fame and attention of the stars that are now aging out.
But I don't think you can chase the ratings in
such a way that that people are suggesting. Right, this
is what Joey Taylor said two days ago about Aaron
Rodgers and Pittsburgh. Why.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
Why this is the Pittsburgh Steelers. They have six parties,
they're coach by Horner, Hall of Fame Mike tom And
we're sitting around talking about Aaron Rodgers is not there
on the first day of OTA's mandatory or not.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Where's your pride? Where's your dignity? Give you respect for
the game? Where's your respect for this organization? Where's this
organization's respect for the history that they have in this
What are we talking about?
Speaker 7 (19:01):
He's never played there before, he doesn't know any of
these teammates, he doesn't know the streets to get to
the facility, he doesn't know that he doesn't know the doctors,
he doesn't know the rehab crew. He doesn't he doesn't
know anybody anybody, doesn't know where to get his smoothies.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Nothing.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
He's like, why would you not be there? I why
am I supposed to take this seriously? It's not about
him not being at non mandatory OTAs for a team
that he's been with for twenty two years. Do what
you want to do? You have been You won five
games last year. The year before that you didn't play
because your achilles. The year before that you missed the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
What are we talking about? Okay? So that was That
was Joy Taylor two days ago. Here's Joy Taylor today.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Also, key people think that you and I do not
know that Aaron Rodgers is not officially assigned to the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I don't know that.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
Having a hard time with it on the internet. No, Look,
did Joy and Kane know that he doesn't have to
be there because he's not actually signed to the Steelers.
So I don't know if you heard that's all in
my brain when I read these things, I'm like, and
in the downstairs in the basement, just.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
John don't know Aron. It's not a personally there.
Speaker 9 (20:19):
For those people that are trolling me and Joy and
talking about we don't know.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
We talk about listen to what we say, no sound
bites on the internet.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Just do that for me.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Listen to everything that we say.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
That's all I'm gonna say for.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
That, Okay, I mean I don't have time to listen
to everything you say. I do know he is a
free agent. My point yesterday in the radio, my point
today in the podcast is really simple. I generally agree
with what Joy is saying. Why wouldn't you be there
if you want to play? What is the point of
every single like, every single day you hold out. It
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doesn't mean you can't be successful, but it makes the
likelihood of success because home more slight. I think that's
a fair assessment. But the real to me, the real
important perspective that is missing from this take is do
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we I guess two parts One, Aaron Rodgers has not
told anybody he's playing football this year. There is a
very real possibility he's don't want to play football anymore,
or maybe he's waiting on the Vikings thing, you know,
mid season for them to call him. Like I'm guessing,
Aaron Rodgers has come to a conclusion and there is
at least the possibility that his conclusion is I don't
want to play football anymore. I got a lot of
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money and just not feeling it. The second part, and
this goes along with the first part, is is probably
a better than average chance that the Pittsburgh Steelers know
what his decision is is if he's coming, when he's coming,
and if he's not coming, that he's not coming. And
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so we're not joy Is and Keishan aren't speculating, they're assuming.
They assume that Aaron's is going to be a Steeler,
and so they're wondering why he hasn't told anybody when
he show you. But when you're assuming, you make an
ass out of you and me, because one Pittsburgh absolutely knows,
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and two Aaron Rodgers knows. And maybe the answer is
not the one that you think you know it is.
That's what the Fox said, say, let's find out who
or what is annoying Jason Stewart, and now it's.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Your annoying, hey, Doug. So the term pause, I want
to say it was a millennial term. It certainly wasn't
around when I was growing up. I've heard you use
it pause, you know, pause it's kind of it's a
weird one because the millennial and gen Z generation I
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thought were like the most enlightened. But pause is almost
being like, hey, I'm no homo man, you know, don't
don't think I'm homosexual, which seems to be kind of bigoted.
But I won't get into the nuances of the tribe.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
That's not what paused. That's that's not what pause means. Though.
Pause means it's a It can be taken as a
sexual there's sexual innuendo.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Usually when with the teammate of the same sex.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Or no, no, no, nothing to do with that. Nope, no,
that's where you go. You say no homo. Right, you
say no homo at the end. You know, when you
when you say something that can be taken as sexual nature,
you'd say pause. You can say in the middle or
at the end if you say something that can be
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taken as homosexual in nature, at the end, you go,
no homo. Sorry, I just want to clear you up
on the on the on the vernacular.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
Oh so it's my impression that no homo became pause.
So if I'm wrong in that, I'll I'll double check
on Urban Dictionary. But Jamel Agnew is the receiver for
the Falcons, and he talked about how well he's getting
along with Michael Pennix, getting used to playing with each other.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Pause so good.
Speaker 10 (24:14):
Yeah, it's in the larger circle of any sexual joke.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
If it's any sexual joke, homo.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
Erotic, it could all fall under that, under that umbrella. Yeah, yes,
but you explained the no homo thing, Doug, that's funny.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
I never used that term. I don't know that's funny though.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
No again, And the problem is saying no homo is
people are like, well, that's an homosexual. No, no, it's not.
It's just saying like what I said was not intended
to be of the homosexual descent. It just wasn't. It
came out that way. I get it. Pause, no homo,
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but that that's how it works. Turn that up, yes,
can you what's missing is we don't don't have a
no heateroal no heteroal no.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Anyway, Jamal Agnew, I would just want to play it
one more time.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
It's so good. Wait wait, wait, so we don't like this.
This is an annoying or it's annoying because people say pause.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
No, it's just to me. I was taking pause. I
always take pause as an extension of no homo and
I think that that's so weird in these politically correct
times to have a phrase that distances yourself from being
home of from being homo sexual. So it's a little
too homophobic for these times. It was like, it's kind
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of like the term wife beater stayed stayed way too
long in our lexicon, like way after uh, you know,
domestic bull why.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Was why It's it's not that's actually a really good discussion.
Saying somebody is wearing a wife beater is not saying
you're okay with violence towards women. It's what it is
is it's a it's a shot at basically the old
show Cops. You remember a Cops right where every guy
that was accused of domestic violence, seemingly ever, always came
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out with one of these rib white te's on, Like
what is that about? It became the wife it became
known as the wife beater, like wife beaters wear this clothes.
It's like the It's like what I've always said about
Raider fans, not every Raider fan is a gangster. But
there's not a gangster in the world that's not a
Raider fan. Right, it's the same thing with the with
the rib white tea. Not everybody who wears a rib
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white undershirt tea it beats their wife. But I would
say very high percentage, if not all people who beat
their wives seem to have those wet rib white teas on.
Speaker 10 (26:39):
I would say that term goes even back further to
like the fifties and sixties, because that seemed to be
the only undershirt that men wore back then. I don't know, yeah,
I don't. I don't like those undershirts. I think they're
weird looking. Really, yeah, just go with the just go
with the white T shirt.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I think you're weird looking. Okay, anyway, sorry, go ahead,
do we want to let's play this again? It's so
goodness play.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
I just think as a fifty two white, fifty two
year old white male, I just I get kind of
confused about what's acceptable and what's not. And that line
that everyone's got a walk and I thought pause was
an extension of no homo and wife beater is no
longer used, and there's a reason for that. I thought
it stuck around way too long. It's getting used to
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playing with each other.
Speaker 10 (27:26):
Wife beater is coarse, it's it's it's it's kind of rough.
It's rough language, and if you're used to it, then
you just don't think about it. But you're like, if
you actually just stopped and looked at that term, you'd
be like, eh, but I get what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
I get what both of you're saying.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
All right, what else is annoying you?
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Olympic flag football has annoying me? It's it's everyone's being
asked about Olympic flag football. And Sean McVay, the head
coach of the Rams, was asked about it yesterday and
he hits on a pretty good point here. This is
why he I'll play the cut and I'll tell you
what annoys me.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I think it's great.
Speaker 11 (28:03):
I think if guys, you know, you hear Justin Jefferson
come out and talk about man, that would be really cool.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
That's awesome.
Speaker 11 (28:08):
Like, I think you give guys the opportunity to say, right, well,
what's your preference on I think whatever our guys are,
you know, there's going to be the availability for maybe
one guy on each team to be able to do that.
And if that's something that players say they want to
be able to do, then I think it's a really
cool experience for them.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
To be able to be a part of.
Speaker 11 (28:25):
We'll also acknowledging that, man, there's some other guys that
have been doing it. I'm not going to pretend to
understand the nuances tactically and what that game entails, but
I think it's good.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Well, the quote that I was hoping that uh would
have been the cut as he says this, it is
so far off, and he's like, coaching years are like
dog years. Twenty twenty eight just seems so far off.
I don't even know why we're talking about this, And
that was kind of my point here. It's so far off.
And soft tissue injury, like the first person of any
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datus that signs up for this flag football thing, whether
it be in practice, I'm sure they're gonna have to
play some warm up games. One person suffers a calf injury, hamstring,
the entire thing is going to be reconsidered, right, I mean,
isn't Isn't that the problem with having NFL players playing
an Olympics right before a training camp?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yes, yes, absolutely, I don't think for one second any
an NFL player is going to play in that thing.
No chance, No chance. I don't. I simply don't believe
I could be wrong. Don't believe it will happen that
any any current NFL player, current NFL player would would
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do that. I just don't see it happening. Don't see
it at all.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
I like when I like when athletes have been doing
this long enough to understand the traps that report order set.
I don't know if you saw this, but Joe Flacco,
he's one of like four or five people in the
Browns quarterback room that could start and he was asked
about mentoring younger guys. And the point that I wanted
(30:14):
to make is Flacco when he came in was like
he seemed like real, He's kind of just seemed like
a typical meathead jock. He wasn't a great interview, wasn't
a great quote. It looks like he's evolved into this
and it looks like he's been around the block a
few times. So when a reporter asks him, are you
going to mentor the younger players in that quarterback room?
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This was his response.
Speaker 12 (30:37):
It's a good question tobate somebody into answering and either
and no matter how they answer, it kind of makes
the guy that's answering. It look bad. If I say
I don't want to be a mentor, I look bad.
If I say I do want to be a mentor,
then I look like an idiot that doesn't care about
being good and playing football. So it's one of those
questions that no matter what I say, you guys can
write what you want to write about it. And there's
a lot of questions like that. That's why you end
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up having to try to avoid him. I tend to
try to be honest, and I've said I'm not a mentor.
I play football and in a quarterback room. There's a
lot of times already, there's been already a ton of
times where there's learning experiences and I have a lot
of experience and I can talk on things and hopefully
they listen, but it's not necessarily like my job to
make sure they listen to me. And you know, hey,
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like hopefully you have a really good relationship with the
guys that are in the room, and you naturally want
to do that.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
I root for people being uncomfortable, watching people be uncomfortable,
and like, I really wish I would have seen the
look on the reporter's face, And I hope that maybe
that reporter and others, if they listen to this bike
like reconsider their kind of like lazy questions that could
only get an answer that puts the athlete in a
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bad spot.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah, I think it's really good. I thought it was
a really really good answer, really good answer. I don't
agree totally with Flacco. I understand what he's saying and
that every job is different and every role is different,
and I do think he gets that within the job
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there is mentoring that takes place. I kind of think
he's taking it a little bit too what's the word
I'm looking for a little bit too literal? Right? But
I actually like a lot of what he's saying. I
do because it's it's like you said, it's the opposite
of bullshit, which is what you've been searching for forever.
(32:37):
Anything else, Nope.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
So the confusion with the pause usage, Olympic flag football
being in the news all week, and the reporter that
asked that question of Flaco.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
So I think there's some other things that have pissed
me off here trying to think I'm going to say
I actually like the use of pause. What was the
(33:15):
first one? Because the Flacco thing, I get I don't
know if it annoys me that much. I know it
annoys him. Annoys you. What was the first one.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Asked about Olympic fag football this week?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Oh that's that, that's easy. Yeah, we're asking about a
thing that is three years away and very very unlikely
to have any current players, and it's not like it's
something anyone expects anyone else to be competitive in. So
why are we talking about it? It's annoyed because we can,
(33:57):
Jay Stu, what's because we can?
Speaker 6 (34:00):
Jamar Demrozen was on a podcast, sure, and he talks
about something that probably should be a topic on talk shows.
More Lebron James, at the age of forty, still is
seen in many critics eyes as being in his mid twenties,
and they still hold him to that standard in his performance.
(34:22):
I think it's really interesting what he says here and this,
and he mixes in a customer just to prove the point.
Speaker 9 (34:29):
Listen, I tell people all the time. I tell somebody
this the other day, right like when he was playing
in a series. They was talking about Brian I can't
get it done at being numb and all this. I
remember telling a group of people I said, most of
these motherfuckers wouldn't stand a chance versus twenty sixteen bron
People forget the the man been doing his twenty two
(34:51):
years man like something we never seen in no sport.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
To be able to dominate as long as.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
He's as he had. It's really incredible how long he's
been able to be a very very good to greatest
basketball player in the NBA. It is remarkable. Like we
play for you because we can. That's it for the
end of the Modus podcast. You got the radio show
every day three to five Eastern total, two Pacific, Fox
Sports Radio, iHeart Radio app. I'm Doug Gottlieb
All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Heres in
the bonus with Doug Gottlieb.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
What m H welcome in its Doug Gottlieb Show in
the penas alread no, so we're gonna do this is
gonna be a lot of a lot of college on
(00:34):
this year, pod and I think this is super important
to start with him to note. Okay, so it appears
that the NCAA tournament will expand. So all reports from
the NCAA. And Charlie Baker is the head of the NCAA.
Charlie Baker came from Congress. Obviously, a lot of the
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stuff they're trying to do with the NCAA is they're
trying to they're trying to get some special legislation. So
because every rule they have ends up getting struck down
when it goes to the courts, the only way to
prevent that from happening is you get what is it
(01:17):
called what's a term called I always forget it. It's
a term for when you can basically have a monopoly. Oh,
they want to get some anti trust rules put in. Anyway,
so Charlie Baker is the new head to the NCAA,
and Charlie Baker obviously has a background in DC and
with the effort by the NCAA, it's pretty obvious, right,
(01:40):
you got to get some anti trust legislation in there
so that otherwise, any rule, even when it's voted on
by the member institutions, you can go to a local
judge if they're a sports friendly judge and say like, hey,
let's get this thing get temporary or injunction. It feels
that way. So what the NCAA is trying to do,
it's smart is a hire somebody that has connections in
(02:03):
Washington that can figure out how do we stop the bleeding,
you know, and has stopped the constant legislation, constant court
cases over any sort of rule that you pass. Meanwhile,
Charlie Baker today said, hey, they're going to meet and
the plan is to expand the NCAA tournament to seventy
two to seventy six. Seventy two to seventy six teams
(02:23):
there's currently sixty eight, which of course has met with
people like myself when I was more of a college
basketball analyst saying how dare you let's mark John wash
I done John Rostein, who's a friend and a little
bit over the top, but yeah, a friend and a
(02:44):
little bit over the top Rostein Utlest Let me read
his tweet here real quick, which is, Dear America, I
will host an open rally in Central Park to protest
the expansion of the NCAA tournament if this chatter continues.
If you don't live in the NYC area, you're more
than welcome to fly in and attend. We must stick
together when this crisis occurs. Sincerely, JR. I love John
Ross team, okay, but I mean, first of all, people
(03:09):
don't care that much, and the ones that do know
here's the truth. Everything costs money. So why would the
NCAA do this? Well, they make more money and this
is the only place where the NCAA makes money. If
you expand from sixty eight teams to seventy two teams,
that's two more games, incredibly valuable, four more games if
you go to seventy six, right, four more games. So
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remember the number of Division one teams has expanded to
three hundred and sixty four, but in terms of ratio,
it hasn't expanded with it. Do I love it? I
do not. I think sixty four is fine. Now I
know there's people that say, well, look, listen, tournament expansion
that's killing green Bay's hopes. So like green Bay's not
getting it in, is it at large? Not getting it?
(03:53):
Is it at large?
Speaker 3 (03:55):
You know?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Should conferences at our level that have great seasons, you know,
like a Drake last year, had they not won their
conference tournament championship, should they have gotten in? Yes? Yes,
there was a time in which Brian Wordle, who's now
the head coach of Bradley, was here. They lost in
the championship game for the rise in league. Risley was
a much higher rated tournament, higher rated league at the time.
Should have gotten into that large, especially if you have
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seventy two to seventy six teams. But none of this
is the reason that it's being done. It's not for fars.
It's the NCAA wants to maintain whatever they can as
an organization, right, and so how do you do that.
(04:38):
One you got to keep your constituents happy. And the
most important constituents that are the least happy are the
big boys. So if you expand to seventy six from
sixty eight, it stands the reason that of the eight spots,
six go to the Power four conferences. That keeps them happy.
(05:00):
Remember you don't it's not just the schools that get in,
but every member of the conference, and those conferences they
get credit units for every team in every round that
they're in the tournament. It's not just the lifeblood of
the NCAA, it's lifeblood of college athletics, especially basketball schools.
(05:21):
They don't have college football, so it's from the NCAA.
They make more money and they keep the NCAA the
schools together at Division one right because if there was
a chance to break off, which some have threatened, if
you break off, now, the NCAA tournament crumbles, the revenue crumbles,
and it becomes wild West. It doesn't work, really doesn't
(05:41):
work for anybody. I don't think those schools would ever
break off because the NCAA tournament because that funds all
their Olympic sports. But do you really want to risk it?
And the NCAA's answer is no. If it's do we
want to risk it when we've already expanded past sixty four,
we do not. We want to do it as smartly
as possible. And that's why I do seventy two first,
and every incremental change you create incremental revenue growth. That's
(06:03):
what I would do. I wouldn't go to seventy six
right away. I go seventy two. Hey, you want to
go seventy six. Bunch more money, bunch more money. The
schools want to do it because we have to pair
players now and the best chance of paying your players
is to have more revenue coming in. And you get
more revenue when you play in the nca tournament. Period,
stop or teams in your more teams in your league playing
the nca tournament. So do I think it's great for
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the fairness of sport? Probably not? Do I think it
it It will ultimately hurt the bracket, which is that
bracket sixty fourteen. Bracket is all that matters in better's minds.
And you know, you ask, ninety five percent of the
people who fill out a bracket don't know that the
first four is played exists or or and where they
won't know these games exist either. All that matters is
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the bracket, and that's how they'll keep it. It's really
smart because that's really valuable. But it's about money and
it's about keeping the NCAA together. That's what it's about,
and those two things trump everything else. That's why it'll happen.
Speaker 1 (06:59):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
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Speaker 2 (07:09):
It's Doug Gottlieb Show, Fox Sports Radio. And let's catch
up with a guy who his team just won a
national championship yesterday, the twelfth in school history. Alan Branton
joins us. He's the head coach of Oklahoma State and
they go and beat Virginia, who is a heavy favorite
and older team, and Oklahoma State wins their twelfth NCAA
Golf championship and coach joins us year on the Doug
(07:31):
Gottlieb Show. Coach, how are you?
Speaker 4 (07:35):
I'm doing great. Just hearing you say that Oklahoma States
and NASH champions never gets old. I love hearing that.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
No, it does not. What was coming into this year?
What did you think of your team?
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Well, we have three new faces on the team this year,
along with some other freshmen, but the three impact players
a Swedish freshman and two transfers from cal And I
knew we had a talented group, but you never know
with so many new faces. We had four additional other freshmen,
lots of new faces on the team. You never know
how things are going to gel and but as we
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went through the year, we just built momentum. The guys
really care about each other, work their tails off, and
such a privilege to be standing either side when they
reach a goal like.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
That you mentioned it's a very young team. What college golf,
what's the landscape like? Right? Like in college basketball, everybody's old,
everybody's old. What's college golf like in terms of the
age of the players.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
Well, there's a lot of similarities. It's unique that we
are so young with COVID. We graduated a bunch of
guys last year. We had five guys finish up last year,
so we had five freshmen and two transfers, so seven
new faces. Our team of eleven was ten freshmen or
sophomore so no seniors. So a little bit different, but
(08:54):
there's similarities across the board, people coming in and out
of the portal, and not altogether different than basketball. But
we were fortunate to have a young, talented group that
was full of confidence and they got the job done yesterday.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
Now the home course for OCMA State is Carston Creek.
It's incredible, but it's going through renovation, isn't. Are you
guys even able to use it?
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Well, we haven't. The last year and a half, we've
actually recreated the club, renamed it is now just called Carston,
which is basically what everybody kind of called it before.
It's now a private club and we just opened right
before the regional. We had a day for our donors.
We're fortunate, as you know, to have tons of support
and people that come out and watch us play and
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support us financially. And we redid the golf course open
May ninth. We got to play on it on the
ninth and the tenth, and then we flew to the
regional on the tenth and practice between Regionals and Nationals
leading into the championship at LaCosta. And clearly it paid
off having our course back because our guys sure stepped
up on a big stage.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Okay, I bring it up because I believe the new
design is to try and make it like the toughest
challenge of golf maybe anywhere. But you didn't have it
for this season. So is there the other side too,
which is like, wow, you didn't actually have your course
for a national championship season? Is there a correlation between
your home course and your success as.
Speaker 4 (10:17):
A program anywhere else. Well, I mean, you know as
well as I do. There's a lot more that goes
into the success of a program than just facilities. Facilities
help you attract good players, and obviously you want a
great training ground, but you can become a good player
and a great competitor anywhere. And the culture of our
program and the success we've had for a long time,
(10:39):
I think breeds champions I'm a product of that program,
was fortunate to play at Oklahoma State and then now
to have coached for the last twenty one years, So
you know, lots of things went into that. But we're
certainly excited to have our golf course back. The guys
were chomping at the bit to get out there, and
it should help us attract the right kind of kids going.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Forward, no question. Let me ask you that question, as
a player or as a coach, which is more rewarding.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
You know. Coach Older told me or asked me that
when we won our last championship in twenty eighteen. The newsthand.
My instinct right away was obviously, as a player, you
have control, you have the club in your hand. I
backtracked on that a little bit, but a lot of
that was the fact that our previous championship that we
won in twenty eighteen was at home in front of
fans that have done so much for you over the years,
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and to be able to deliver that at home, I
don't think I'll ever be able to trump that. So
I would say coaching and winning the championship in Stillwater
is the best. Other than that, it was sure nice
having the club in my hand when we won.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
What is it like you mentioned the youth of this team.
What is your job like? How do you mentally connect
with some of these young players in the pressure of
the moment? And I asked that because I do wonder
like I'm watching Philip yesterday and I'm thinking, I'm thinking, well,
obviously they've all played super high level golf with a
(12:03):
ton of pressure on them, but some of it is
also they just don't mean a freshmen. You just don't know.
You don't know what it's like to lose this, so
you don't know any better. What is it like in
dealing with young players in these sort of pressure back moments.
Speaker 4 (12:16):
Well, fortunately, all those guys that were playing yesterday, they
might be young, but like you said, they've got experience
at an elite level and specifically the match play, and
Phillip's a sweetish kid. In Europe, they do a great
job of developing kids in their national programs and they
play a lot of match play, so we had tons
of experience. I put him out first every day. He's
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a fantastic ball striker. In match play, you want to
be hitting your ball in the fairway on the green.
He's a long hitter as well, so he was hitting
second into the greens and did a great job of
keeping pressure on his opponents, so I couldn't ask for
more for a freshman. He let us out each match
and he won all three matches, so it doesn't get
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much better than that.
Speaker 2 (12:59):
Now, winning at the coast so not terrible. Winning as
a freshman not terrible, and then going home to the
best home course in the country also not terrible. Good
to be you, coach. Congrats on getting the big dub,
on pulling home yet another national title to the Golf School,
and thanks for bringing our guest.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Thanks for having me on, Doug. Always a pleasure to
do something for people to pay attention to, so thanks
for having me on.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb
Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox
Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Let's get to what the Fox said, and now I'd
say every day at this time and the Doug Gotlib Show.
In the Bonus Podcast, we play for you a piece
of a previous show on Fox Sports Radio or Fox
Sports One. This is Colin Cowhert talking about Shake Gildas Alexander.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
The great thing about SGA, of the many great things,
what I really like because he is delivering and fulfilling
everything I've been told Jason Tatum does, but doesn't really.
Last year, the Celtics going their championship run, Jalen Brown's
the MVP of the Eastern Conference Finals. Jalen Brown's the
Finals MVP, and Jalen Brown's the aggressor and often the initiator.
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SGA wants the ball, is always the aggressor and he
plays Williams Home great. He's got multiple great players around him,
but he is clearly the alpha. And that's all I
ever asked with Tatum and got pushedback. You know, that's
I'm holding Jason Tatum to the standard. You guys all
lectured me on for years on Lebron when Lebron didn't
(14:43):
take the shot. He's the alpha, he's the one. If
he wants to be MJ, he's got to always take
the shot. Okay, Well, that's the standard of SGA and
Jokic right now. Like like, I think both Jokic and
SGA can elevate teammates, and clearly do elevate teammates. But
there is no question in this Oklahoma City room or
(15:07):
that Denver locker room, or in the huddle or any
time there's a late possession, who's the man.
Speaker 2 (15:15):
Yeah, listen, I think that's I think that's fair. That's fair.
I don't know why Jason Tatum is catching strays here.
He's a different player. I think Jason Tatum is a
more explosive score pure score than even Shay Is. And
I know Shaye puts up a volume of numbers, but
they're different sorts of players. Again, I don't know why where.
(15:38):
I'm not sure why Colin is taking this moment for
Jason Tatum, who's recovering from an achilles, to catch strays.
If we look back at the Knick series, they did
have two twenty point leads that they blew. If not
for that, one of those games changes, the outcome of
the whole series changes. Maybe he's not hurt, maybe he's
still playing. I don't know. I don't know. I've never
(16:01):
been a huge Jason Tatum guy, but I do respect
the fact that he's a bucket getter, even if there's
a certain kind of mechanical style to what he does.
And as much as we can sit there and be
critical of Jason Tatum, we could be critical of shay
Gil Zuzanner. What would he be without being the foul
merchant that he is? So it doesn't matter otherwise. Here's
(16:25):
Dan Patrick talking about the NBA Finals ratings. If Indiana plays, Okay, see.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Get ready for this, it's going to happen. Let's say
the Pacers face the thunder. You're going to hear from
the non watchers. Oh, ratings are going to be terrible. Okay,
they might be down, But keep this in mind. The
NBA just signed eleven year how many billions of dollars
seventy six billion dollar TV deal?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, eleven year, seventy six billion through the twenty thirty
five thirty six season.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Fo Okay, so you may take a hit with the ratings,
and but you know you're going to rebound. I don't
know if they're taking money away. I don't know what
the deal is, but you know our network's going to say,
if we don't have a certain rating, then we get
money back.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
I don't know that.
Speaker 5 (17:13):
But you know, for everybody who's going to say, and
these are the non watchers, being like, you know, the
non watchers always have an opinion on things. It's like,
and I noticed this with a WNBA, with Caitlyn Clark
and Angel Rees. Those are the non watchers who have
opinions because those who are watching don't have those opinions.
It's all of these other people who want to have
(17:34):
like something deep rooted in them that they want to
get off their chest. And they use Caitlin Clark and
Angel Rees as sort of the you know, launching pad
for that. But the non watchers, hey, don't. I mean,
that's why you're a non watcher. But you'll have an
opinion on nobody's going to watch this, okay, then don't.
Speaker 2 (17:55):
Yeah, we talked about this in the radio show, and
I know it to be true that if you can
win over Jason Stewart. You can win over anybody. And
the point that Dan's trying to make is like, ratings
be damned. It's been good fun basketball to watch. It's
going to continue to be and and maybe it takes
Oklahoma City winning a couple of titles to gain the
(18:16):
fame and attention of the stars that are now aging out.
But I don't think you can chase the ratings in
such a way that that people are suggesting. Right, this
is what Joey Taylor said two days ago about Aaron
Rodgers and Pittsburgh. Why.
Speaker 7 (18:34):
Why this is the Pittsburgh Steelers. They have six parties,
they're coach by Horner, Hall of Fame Mike tom And
we're sitting around talking about Aaron Rodgers is not there
on the first day of OTA's mandatory or not.
Speaker 8 (18:48):
Where's your pride? Where's your dignity? Give you respect for
the game? Where's your respect for this organization? Where's this
organization's respect for the history that they have in this
What are we talking about?
Speaker 7 (19:01):
He's never played there before, he doesn't know any of
these teammates, he doesn't know the streets to get to
the facility, he doesn't know that he doesn't know the doctors,
he doesn't know the rehab crew. He doesn't he doesn't
know anybody anybody, doesn't know where to get his smoothies.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Nothing.
Speaker 7 (19:16):
He's like, why would you not be there? I why
am I supposed to take this seriously? It's not about
him not being at non mandatory OTAs for a team
that he's been with for twenty two years. Do what
you want to do? You have been You won five
games last year. The year before that you didn't play
because your achilles. The year before that you missed the playoffs.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
What are we talking about? Okay? So that was That
was Joy Taylor two days ago. Here's Joy Taylor today.
Speaker 7 (19:47):
Also, key people think that you and I do not
know that Aaron Rodgers is not officially assigned to the Steelers.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
I don't know that.
Speaker 7 (19:55):
Having a hard time with it on the internet. No, Look,
did Joy and Kane know that he doesn't have to
be there because he's not actually signed to the Steelers.
So I don't know if you heard that's all in
my brain when I read these things, I'm like, and
in the downstairs in the basement, just.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
John don't know Aron. It's not a personally there.
Speaker 9 (20:19):
For those people that are trolling me and Joy and
talking about we don't know.
Speaker 6 (20:23):
We talk about listen to what we say, no sound
bites on the internet.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Just do that for me.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Listen to everything that we say.
Speaker 6 (20:32):
That's all I'm gonna say for.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
That, Okay, I mean I don't have time to listen
to everything you say. I do know he is a
free agent. My point yesterday in the radio, my point
today in the podcast is really simple. I generally agree
with what Joy is saying. Why wouldn't you be there
if you want to play? What is the point of
every single like, every single day you hold out. It
(20:54):
doesn't mean you can't be successful, but it makes the
likelihood of success because home more slight. I think that's
a fair assessment. But the real to me, the real
important perspective that is missing from this take is do
(21:16):
we I guess two parts One, Aaron Rodgers has not
told anybody he's playing football this year. There is a
very real possibility he's don't want to play football anymore,
or maybe he's waiting on the Vikings thing, you know,
mid season for them to call him. Like I'm guessing,
Aaron Rodgers has come to a conclusion and there is
at least the possibility that his conclusion is I don't
want to play football anymore. I got a lot of
(21:38):
money and just not feeling it. The second part, and
this goes along with the first part, is is probably
a better than average chance that the Pittsburgh Steelers know
what his decision is is if he's coming, when he's coming,
and if he's not coming, that he's not coming. And
(21:58):
so we're not joy Is and Keishan aren't speculating, they're assuming.
They assume that Aaron's is going to be a Steeler,
and so they're wondering why he hasn't told anybody when
he show you. But when you're assuming, you make an
ass out of you and me, because one Pittsburgh absolutely knows,
(22:20):
and two Aaron Rodgers knows. And maybe the answer is
not the one that you think you know it is.
That's what the Fox said, say, let's find out who
or what is annoying Jason Stewart, and now it's.
Speaker 6 (22:38):
Your annoying, hey, Doug. So the term pause, I want
to say it was a millennial term. It certainly wasn't
around when I was growing up. I've heard you use
it pause, you know, pause it's kind of it's a
weird one because the millennial and gen Z generation I
(22:59):
thought were like the most enlightened. But pause is almost
being like, hey, I'm no homo man, you know, don't
don't think I'm homosexual, which seems to be kind of bigoted.
But I won't get into the nuances of the tribe.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
That's not what paused. That's that's not what pause means. Though.
Pause means it's a It can be taken as a
sexual there's sexual innuendo.
Speaker 6 (23:20):
Usually when with the teammate of the same sex.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
Or no, no, no, nothing to do with that. Nope, no,
that's where you go. You say no homo. Right, you
say no homo at the end. You know, when you
when you say something that can be taken as sexual nature,
you'd say pause. You can say in the middle or
at the end if you say something that can be
(23:44):
taken as homosexual in nature, at the end, you go,
no homo. Sorry, I just want to clear you up
on the on the on the vernacular.
Speaker 6 (23:51):
Oh so it's my impression that no homo became pause.
So if I'm wrong in that, I'll I'll double check
on Urban Dictionary. But Jamel Agnew is the receiver for
the Falcons, and he talked about how well he's getting
along with Michael Pennix, getting used to playing with each other.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Pause so good.
Speaker 10 (24:14):
Yeah, it's in the larger circle of any sexual joke.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
If it's any sexual joke, homo.
Speaker 10 (24:21):
Erotic, it could all fall under that, under that umbrella. Yeah, yes,
but you explained the no homo thing, Doug, that's funny.
Speaker 6 (24:29):
I never used that term. I don't know that's funny though.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
No again, And the problem is saying no homo is
people are like, well, that's an homosexual. No, no, it's not.
It's just saying like what I said was not intended
to be of the homosexual descent. It just wasn't. It
came out that way. I get it. Pause, no homo,
(24:52):
but that that's how it works. Turn that up, yes,
can you what's missing is we don't don't have a
no heateroal no heteroal no.
Speaker 6 (25:01):
Anyway, Jamal Agnew, I would just want to play it
one more time.
Speaker 2 (25:07):
It's so good. Wait wait, wait, so we don't like this.
This is an annoying or it's annoying because people say pause.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
No, it's just to me. I was taking pause. I
always take pause as an extension of no homo and
I think that that's so weird in these politically correct
times to have a phrase that distances yourself from being
home of from being homo sexual. So it's a little
too homophobic for these times. It was like, it's kind
(25:38):
of like the term wife beater stayed stayed way too
long in our lexicon, like way after uh, you know,
domestic bull why.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Was why It's it's not that's actually a really good discussion.
Saying somebody is wearing a wife beater is not saying
you're okay with violence towards women. It's what it is
is it's a it's a shot at basically the old
show Cops. You remember a Cops right where every guy
that was accused of domestic violence, seemingly ever, always came
(26:08):
out with one of these rib white te's on, Like
what is that about? It became the wife it became
known as the wife beater, like wife beaters wear this clothes.
It's like the It's like what I've always said about
Raider fans, not every Raider fan is a gangster. But
there's not a gangster in the world that's not a
Raider fan. Right, it's the same thing with the with
the rib white tea. Not everybody who wears a rib
(26:29):
white undershirt tea it beats their wife. But I would
say very high percentage, if not all people who beat
their wives seem to have those wet rib white teas on.
Speaker 10 (26:39):
I would say that term goes even back further to
like the fifties and sixties, because that seemed to be
the only undershirt that men wore back then. I don't know, yeah,
I don't. I don't like those undershirts. I think they're
weird looking. Really, yeah, just go with the just go
with the white T shirt.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
I think you're weird looking. Okay, anyway, sorry, go ahead,
do we want to let's play this again? It's so
goodness play.
Speaker 6 (27:00):
I just think as a fifty two white, fifty two
year old white male, I just I get kind of
confused about what's acceptable and what's not. And that line
that everyone's got a walk and I thought pause was
an extension of no homo and wife beater is no
longer used, and there's a reason for that. I thought
it stuck around way too long. It's getting used to
(27:22):
playing with each other.
Speaker 10 (27:26):
Wife beater is coarse, it's it's it's it's kind of rough.
It's rough language, and if you're used to it, then
you just don't think about it. But you're like, if
you actually just stopped and looked at that term, you'd
be like, eh, but I get what you're saying.
Speaker 6 (27:40):
I get what both of you're saying.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
All right, what else is annoying you?
Speaker 6 (27:44):
Olympic flag football has annoying me? It's it's everyone's being
asked about Olympic flag football. And Sean McVay, the head
coach of the Rams, was asked about it yesterday and
he hits on a pretty good point here. This is
why he I'll play the cut and I'll tell you
what annoys me.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
I think it's great.
Speaker 11 (28:03):
I think if guys, you know, you hear Justin Jefferson
come out and talk about man, that would be really cool.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
That's awesome.
Speaker 11 (28:08):
Like, I think you give guys the opportunity to say, right, well,
what's your preference on I think whatever our guys are,
you know, there's going to be the availability for maybe
one guy on each team to be able to do that.
And if that's something that players say they want to
be able to do, then I think it's a really
cool experience for them.
Speaker 2 (28:24):
To be able to be a part of.
Speaker 11 (28:25):
We'll also acknowledging that, man, there's some other guys that
have been doing it. I'm not going to pretend to
understand the nuances tactically and what that game entails, but
I think it's good.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Well, the quote that I was hoping that uh would
have been the cut as he says this, it is
so far off, and he's like, coaching years are like
dog years. Twenty twenty eight just seems so far off.
I don't even know why we're talking about this, And
that was kind of my point here. It's so far off.
And soft tissue injury, like the first person of any
(29:00):
datus that signs up for this flag football thing, whether
it be in practice, I'm sure they're gonna have to
play some warm up games. One person suffers a calf injury, hamstring,
the entire thing is going to be reconsidered, right, I mean,
isn't Isn't that the problem with having NFL players playing
an Olympics right before a training camp?
Speaker 2 (29:21):
Yes, yes, absolutely, I don't think for one second any
an NFL player is going to play in that thing.
No chance, No chance. I don't. I simply don't believe
I could be wrong. Don't believe it will happen that
any any current NFL player, current NFL player would would
(29:47):
do that. I just don't see it happening. Don't see
it at all.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
I like when I like when athletes have been doing
this long enough to understand the traps that report order set.
I don't know if you saw this, but Joe Flacco,
he's one of like four or five people in the
Browns quarterback room that could start and he was asked
about mentoring younger guys. And the point that I wanted
(30:14):
to make is Flacco when he came in was like
he seemed like real, He's kind of just seemed like
a typical meathead jock. He wasn't a great interview, wasn't
a great quote. It looks like he's evolved into this
and it looks like he's been around the block a
few times. So when a reporter asks him, are you
going to mentor the younger players in that quarterback room?
(30:35):
This was his response.
Speaker 12 (30:37):
It's a good question tobate somebody into answering and either
and no matter how they answer, it kind of makes
the guy that's answering. It look bad. If I say
I don't want to be a mentor, I look bad.
If I say I do want to be a mentor,
then I look like an idiot that doesn't care about
being good and playing football. So it's one of those
questions that no matter what I say, you guys can
write what you want to write about it. And there's
a lot of questions like that. That's why you end
(30:58):
up having to try to avoid him. I tend to
try to be honest, and I've said I'm not a mentor.
I play football and in a quarterback room. There's a
lot of times already, there's been already a ton of
times where there's learning experiences and I have a lot
of experience and I can talk on things and hopefully
they listen, but it's not necessarily like my job to
make sure they listen to me. And you know, hey,
(31:19):
like hopefully you have a really good relationship with the
guys that are in the room, and you naturally want
to do that.
Speaker 6 (31:26):
I root for people being uncomfortable, watching people be uncomfortable,
and like, I really wish I would have seen the
look on the reporter's face, And I hope that maybe
that reporter and others, if they listen to this bike
like reconsider their kind of like lazy questions that could
only get an answer that puts the athlete in a
(31:48):
bad spot.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Yeah, I think it's really good. I thought it was
a really really good answer, really good answer. I don't
agree totally with Flacco. I understand what he's saying and
that every job is different and every role is different,
and I do think he gets that within the job
(32:14):
there is mentoring that takes place. I kind of think
he's taking it a little bit too what's the word
I'm looking for a little bit too literal? Right? But
I actually like a lot of what he's saying. I
do because it's it's like you said, it's the opposite
of bullshit, which is what you've been searching for forever.
(32:37):
Anything else, Nope.
Speaker 6 (32:39):
So the confusion with the pause usage, Olympic flag football
being in the news all week, and the reporter that
asked that question of Flaco.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
So I think there's some other things that have pissed
me off here trying to think I'm going to say
I actually like the use of pause. What was the
(33:15):
first one? Because the Flacco thing, I get I don't
know if it annoys me that much. I know it
annoys him. Annoys you. What was the first one.
Speaker 6 (33:23):
Asked about Olympic fag football this week?
Speaker 2 (33:25):
Oh that's that, that's easy. Yeah, we're asking about a
thing that is three years away and very very unlikely
to have any current players, and it's not like it's
something anyone expects anyone else to be competitive in. So
why are we talking about it? It's annoyed because we can,
(33:57):
Jay Stu, what's because we can?
Speaker 6 (34:00):
Jamar Demrozen was on a podcast, sure, and he talks
about something that probably should be a topic on talk shows.
More Lebron James, at the age of forty, still is
seen in many critics eyes as being in his mid twenties,
and they still hold him to that standard in his performance.
(34:22):
I think it's really interesting what he says here and this,
and he mixes in a customer just to prove the point.
Speaker 9 (34:29):
Listen, I tell people all the time. I tell somebody
this the other day, right like when he was playing
in a series. They was talking about Brian I can't
get it done at being numb and all this. I
remember telling a group of people I said, most of
these motherfuckers wouldn't stand a chance versus twenty sixteen bron
People forget the the man been doing his twenty two
(34:51):
years man like something we never seen in no sport.
Speaker 6 (34:55):
To be able to dominate as long as.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
He's as he had. It's really incredible how long he's
been able to be a very very good to greatest
basketball player in the NBA. It is remarkable. Like we
play for you because we can. That's it for the
end of the Modus podcast. You got the radio show
every day three to five Eastern total, two Pacific, Fox
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